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iron_nops Posted on 21/9 13:05
Kid drowns while police stand and watch

Apparently they 'weren't trained' to deal with this type of incident.

They should be locked up themselves.

Link: Disgusting

usher306 Posted on 21/9 13:13
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what a load of rubbish, they wernt police, the were community support officers...no traioning to save anyone, besides..did you see the kids mum...covered in gold necklaces and rings..complete council estate slag...she just wants a dig at the old bill.

buttermyarse Posted on 21/9 13:16
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So because the mother wears a bit of bling she deserves to have her son drowned while two healthy community officers stand by and watch....FFS I couldnt live with myself if I were them..cowards

iron_nops Posted on 21/9 13:16
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so if you see a kid downing your just gonna stand and watch as your job description doesn't specify it???

get real muppett!

wolfgang_nutsnbolts Posted on 21/9 13:18
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Surely if you can swim, its you're duty as a human being to jump in and rescue a drowning kid, regardless of whether you're a Police Officer or not.

zoec Posted on 21/9 13:19
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Just a couple of points:

1. They weren't policemen.
2. If they had jumped in, they would probably have got in the way of the 2 fishermen who were already in there trying to save the kid.

Tragic accident, though.

moxzin87 Posted on 21/9 13:19
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I doubt it was as simple as everyone is making it out to be. The boy was under water and they didn't really know where. What strikes me though was that when a uniformed officer showed up, he dived in immediately. No doubt with a few words on the side to the CSO's.

captain5 Posted on 21/9 13:20
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Do you even know whether they were good swimmers??

I'm sure if they were strong swimmers then they would have jumped in.

I wouldn't have jumped in.

buttermyarse Posted on 21/9 13:21
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No decent human being would stand and watch...no matter how good a swimmer..they should be ashamed..shoithouses

susy Posted on 21/9 13:22
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Apparently the water he was in was very dangerous, im sure the officers wernt standing there saying hello have you drowned yet!! FFs If they had jumped in to help we would probably have more deaths on our hands. What the mother should be most bothered with is that there wasnt any life saving equipment nearby like a ring to be thrown in for him to get hold of

Having re read the article again it sounds like the lad must have got caught up in weeds. Poor little mite.

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buttermyarse Posted on 21/9 13:23
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Well I couldnt just stand there.Sorry

captain5 Posted on 21/9 13:24
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Surely Gerry and Kate shouldn't have left the kids alone in a pond or am I getting mixed up with another holier than thou reactionary thread??

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 13:24
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It was six foot deep pond in Wigan, not the raging South Atlantic Ocean.

I'd have been in straight away.

buttermyarse Posted on 21/9 13:26
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Six foot??? That makes it even worse..bloody cowards

TheSmogMonster Posted on 21/9 13:35
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I think its not as black and white as they are painting it with the media.

The woman is purely after blood, but even though her kids died it doesn't follow that she should get it.

I think they should have jumped in, but theres been cases too often of people doing that untrained and getting themselves killed.

The big question is how did the kids get in that position in the first place?

boroboy75 Posted on 21/9 13:36
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capatin5 would have dived in if it was a schoolgirl, though.

Cockney_Barra_Boy Posted on 21/9 13:41
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Tragic accident BUT where were the parents while their kids were playing next to a dangerous stretc of water. It says in the story they later help with the search...so they weren;t watching the kids.....

Now about the community officers...

How do you know they were healthy. They aren't coppers and therefore don't have the same entrance requirements, may not have been able to swim.....

Until you know ALL the facts instead of taking the little you know I wouldn't burn them at the stake just yet....

Easy to act all big by saying 'I've of been straight in' when you have NO IDEA how you'd react in that situation....some people freeze, some people react........you can never know until it happens.

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 13:43
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Raging Atlantic - maybe not but a six foot deep pond in Wigan , I'd have been straight in.

buttermyarse Posted on 21/9 13:43
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It was 6ft deep ffs.. How anyone who could stand with their thumb up their arsse while a kid dies is beyond me

green_beret20 Posted on 21/9 14:07
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To be honest we’ve been seeing this all the time. I remember a young lad from Boro drowned at Osmotherly last year

Fact is some inner city kids see a large lake/pond/, they dive in without any appreciation to the actual dangers and end up killing themselves..

I doubt the mother ever took them swimming to the local pool or to the seaside. They probably rarely leave the council estate they live in.

I was took swimming from an early age and you learn to appreciate to where you swim and not to just go diving into any old pond in the local park.

Besides that did the officers know how deep it was at the time? Unless it was clear crystal blue water which I highly doubt.

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Azedarac Posted on 21/9 14:11
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Buttermyarse

Would you have finished your fag first though?

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:12
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WHat a stupid, stupid slagthis woman is.

She is responsible for what happens to her children and you do not let young children play unsupervised. let alone near water!!!!

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 14:17
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My, my - we're a caring sharing bunch on this board aren't we?

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:18
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Well mick, if the stupid slapper wants to raise children she should become a parent, not a spunk bag on benefits.

Nedkat Posted on 21/9 14:18
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Pausing to give those two dozy tvvats a slap, I'd of been straight in that water !!

Come on now, how the hell is it the mother's fault ? People have children, she has children.. how the hell can you point fingers at a women in a picture who has lost a child ?????

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mickbrown Posted on 21/9 14:22
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How do yo know she's on benefits?

Slag? Slapper?

I despair sometimes.

Also the kids were 9 and 10? When do you let them out on their own?

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SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:22
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The woman is a bad parent.

Who lets children play unsupervised near water?

If you do then you have some kind of mental defficiency. Water is dangerous and as such its the parents responsibility to educate a child of the dangers.

It seems in this day and age though that some parents do not want to accept this role and blame every fookerelse when a tragedy occurs.

I feel sorry for the young boy, not the mother.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:24
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You let kids out, but you also say to them from an early age that water is dangerous and if you live near a lake or pond you drum it home.

Now if the kids go and disobey you then you have a responsibility to supervise them. I bet the mother not once got off her arse to see what the kids were upto.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:24
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double.

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bolan77 Posted on 21/9 14:27
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splendid stuff your an uncaring ,bigoted tool.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:32
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No sorry.

I do care, i care about parenting in this country and the way kids turn out because people are becoming just too lazy and expect the state to raise children for them.

I am sorry for the lad, his brothers or sisters and the fishermen who tried to help.

I am not sorry for the mother because she has sole responsibility.

Reminds me of a kid who died in the stream in acklam near the old car sales place. Anyway playing near water and his 'tarzy' broke causing him to fall and die in a few inches of water. EVeryone heard about it and it stopped us playing near water especially alone as this kid had done.

My point is children don't know the dangers and anyone who says 8 or 10 year olds should be playing unsupervised near water are fools.

The fact that they were playing there in the first place seems absurd.

Azedarac Posted on 21/9 14:33
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When I think of all the times I was let out unsupervised I must have had awful parents.

"Blame the parents" seems to be the reaction to every tragedy that befalls a child. Unfortunately accidents do happen. We do our best to minimise risk, but there's a danger of going overboard and ending up with kids who've never crossed a road by themselves having to make their own way to senior school, or confined to the house and garden until they're into their teens.

captain5 Posted on 21/9 14:35
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If the parents had been middle class the media would have come down on them like a ton of bricks.

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 14:41
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I used to go to the park on my own when I was a kid. There was a pond there. I also used to cross roads to get there. There were cars on teh roads.

Suppose that makes my mum a stupid slag as well eh?

bolan77 Posted on 21/9 14:42
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splendid you seem to judge people very quickly-the ibiza thread.remember that one?the comments you come out with-spunkbag on benefits,slapper,slag no need really imo.you come across as prince phillip.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:43
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Mick, i refer to the mother because she is now 'blaming' others for not saving the life of her child.

If she feels she can blame someone else then she should first look at what the children were doing at the pond.

Children cannot be supervised constantly i agree, but what i am saying is these children clearly had no second thoughts about entering the water, and as such who is responsible for the lads death?

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:48
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with regards to the ibiza thread, i just have a nature to question things.

Sorry but i dont see how someone falls over a balcony unless intoxicated or messing about.

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 14:48
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So why is she a slag on benefits then?

She's not blaming them, just wondering why they didn't do more. Got to say I agree with her.

Nedkat Posted on 21/9 14:54
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Mr.Stuff, there's having a nature to question things, and there's people who jump, nae - LEAP, to ridiculous conclusions far too quickly.

You've condemned this women from a picture in a paper where she's wearing a couple of rings on her fingers. I don't understand that at all !!

If my parents ever knew what I was up to at age 9, they've have crapped themselves. I know it's a different time, but we had Tarzies flying across the River Tees, at a time if you fell in, the water was so polluted, there wouldn't be anything left of you after 2.3m secs.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 15:04
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Listen i will say this once.

I am sorry a young lad is dead when it could have been prevented, but the thread starts off accusing the police. If you read the article you will see that it was two community support officers who turned up, and the mother is distressed by the lack of action by these two.

In my eyes she holds them responsible and is implying they could have saved her son, when clearly the police lay no blame their way.

So why if i berate the mother for being a bad parent, does she get to berate others when she has the responsibility of looking after her children.

Im not saying watch them 24/7 but as people are saying, they crossed roads, did this and did that and they dont class it as bad parenting.

When i was younger we could not cross roads until we had demonstrated we could be responsible around those dangers, and i would imagine if you have a family of children who live near water you would drum this home.

This woman has not said anything along the lines of why were they playing there so it strikes me that this could be a regular occurance.

Also there was the lad Jordan, his two brothers, his stepbrother and his stepsister. Now if he is 10 and she is 8 and he dived in to save her, that would imply to me that the rest of the kids were younger or they would have helped.

What is this woman doing letting 4 kids possibly under the age of 10 play near open water, sorry IN open water.

Look on the site and you will see this is not just a pool but more like hemlington lake.

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 15:10
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Still not said why you think she is a slag on benefits. Where do get that from?

She might well have drummed it into them not to play near water. But kids and kids and do they listen? I didn't when I was 10.

You do a nice line in jumping to conclusions.



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Nedkat Posted on 21/9 15:10
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Don't tell me to listen ... who the fook do you think your talking to ?

trodbitch Posted on 21/9 15:37
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I'd have been straight in. Whether you think the mother is a slag or not (you arrogant prcks) the kid doesn't deserve to die. Do your kids ever go out and play? Do you go with them all the time?

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 15:42
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Mick i called her a slag on benefits because i was annoyed by what i perceive to be irresponsible parenting and the loss of a young lads life because his parents or parent couldnt supervise him and his siblings near a potentially fatal area.

I ask myself questions like why couldnt she be at the pond with them enjoying a family day out and why was it some fishermen who had the burden brought upon them.

Kids do daft things and they obviously cannot be as responsible as an adult, which is why parents are there. One kid might have been 10 but another was 8 and in my eyes they should be monitored, not watched like a hawk, but you should at least know where they are don't you think?


And Nedkat, stop with the attitude, you dont frighten anyone.

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 15:53
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You're annoyed?

She's just lost her son.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 15:54
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Well thats what happens when you leave minors to play near open water mick.

Nedkat Posted on 21/9 15:55
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Me, with the attitude ? That's a fookin laugh !! You need to read what you write, then have a long think about it, then you need to stand in front of the mirror, and have a long look at the person standing there.

Your full of shyt, son .. You need to change those views you have about life, and stop being such a bitter and twisted little boy !

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 15:58
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Ned, i comment on an issue on a public message board, you don't agree with what i say, but at any time did i get hostile with you?

Nedkat Posted on 21/9 16:01
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Stuff, I'm not trying to be hostile, I'm being serious ! You jumped in when that poor bloke fell off a balcony, you jumped on the back of this woman, with more feelings about her being a bad parent, when your feelings should have been for the lad who drowned and the rest of his family who are currently torn apart by this whole thing.

Seriously, if you go through life looking at these incidents like that, your going to end up a sad and lonely man ...

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 16:07
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Hold on a minute ned, if you read what i typed you will see that i am sorry for the lad, but i hold the parents responsible.

Its similar to the whole Madeleine thing where you can say the parents can't watch the children 24/7 but more could have been done in both instances to prevent this from happening.

Of course im sorry the young lad died trying to save his younger sister, which is why it gets me even more because this 10 year old lad tried to take on the role of life saver when he shouldnt have been in the situation in the first place.

The Ibiza thing i just ask how a sober person falls over balcony railings, whats wrong with that?

I still stand by what i say and that the mother should have known her children were playing around and in dangerous water, and if she didn't, did she not wonder where they might be?

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 16:11
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Ned's right - read what you wrote.

So far you've called a grieving woman a slag and accused her of scrounging benefits.

stocko_mfc Posted on 21/9 16:12
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Why the attack on the kids mother, whats she done wrong??
It was a terrible accident, nothing more.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 16:14
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stocko_mfc, 5 kids all playing in harms way and not a single guardian in sight, thats whats wrong.

Kilburn Posted on 21/9 16:14
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Regarding the CSOs, the key bit of info, which I notice has been left out of the sensationalised version of the story that most of the press has printed, is "When the support officers arrived on the scene, there was no sign of the boy in the water."

Now, imagine you are in the situation where you arrive at an incident, there are people in a panic talking about a boy who is drowning, and a murky stretch of deep water with no sign of anyone in it. Do you really launch yourself straight in? There is confusion as to which part of the pond the boy is in, so straight in where exactly?

As for the comments about it 'only' being six feet deep. What the hell difference does that make? Once you can't stand on the bottom it doesn't matter how deep it is. Or do you have some secret info that one of the CSO's was 6'6" tall?

Regarding of the parenting side of this, I think it is a shame that parents are afraid to let kids play out alone. Instead of a few dying in tragic accidents, thousands are going to be die or have their lives ruined by obesity-related diseases.

Tragic accidents will happen. The sad thing nowadays is that there are too many people who won't accept that and always want someone to blame.

buttermyarse Posted on 21/9 16:16
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Some people on here are absolutely pathetic... When I was nine I was out all hours of the day... My mother didnt tie me to her apron strings but I never came to any harm..How anyone can blame the mother is beyond me.. I still say the officers who stood by while a child was drowning are gutless shoitbags..

moxzin87 Posted on 21/9 16:17
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I also thought that was a key point Kilburn (see my post of 13:19). The way some people are going on its as if the Officers could have reached down and pulled him out but just decided not to bother.

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 16:19
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They could have at least tried.

The fishermen, the kid's dad and the copper were straight in. Why couldn't they?

Stuff - so she deserves your bile then?

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SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 16:20
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Ok will try and get some perspective on this and see how it goes.

I dont know for certain but from the report there were 5 kids, Jordan 10 and his sister 8, so if she was in trouble i would imagine the oldest to respond, so i am only presuming that the eldest was 10.

If you have kids do you let them play near busy roads, steep hills, deep waters?

Do you let 5 kids out and not know where they are? This is assuming the mother didn't know the kids were at the pond, maybe she did.

If she didn't know then she should have had some idea which comes back to parenting. Accidents happen i know this, but when you let 5 kids under the age of 10 get in harms way then tragedy is possible.

I would not let kids that young play near open water or any other dangerous situation, i would not at the same time keep them a prisoner in their own home, i would supervise them and know where they were going to be at all times.

samglish Posted on 21/9 16:21
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the police men couldnt get there helmets wet, they were on duty!!!

stocko_mfc Posted on 21/9 16:21
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If you think thats harms way Splendid you have led a very sheltered life.
It was a tragic accident ..no more no less. It probably could have been less tragic if the PCSO's had of got their feet wet.

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 16:23
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Once again jumping to conclusions.

buttermyarse Posted on 21/9 16:23
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i would supervise them and know where they were going to be at all times.

Of course you would..

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 16:23
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You know what Stocko yes that is harms way, and i'm happy to keep thinking that way because at least i will know i have done everything in my power to ensure the safety of my children.

Water is dangerous, especially dark cold ponds and lakes which are 6foot deep, especially for children who are not accomplished swimmers.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 16:26
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Infact stocko you prove my point exactly

"If you think thats harms way Splendid you have led a very sheltered life."

Erm didn't the lad die in that water saving hios 8 year old sister who needed to be saved by fishermen, yes it is harms way which is clear for all to see!!!

trodbitch Posted on 21/9 16:26
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Splendid, come back when you are a parent. Did your mam follow you around until you were 16?

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 16:29
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No she did not, but like i say if you think these kids werent in harms way then you are a fool.

One dead and nearly another in deep water. If that isnt danger then YOU need to reassess what parenting is.

Nedkat Posted on 21/9 16:33
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If the lad had gone under, the spot where he went under would be obvious. I'd be in that spot diving down to reach that lad, and I wouldn't care if he was the son of a slag or the son of the bloody Prime Minister.

The things we did as kids were far more dangerous than playing next to water or playing near a road, and most of us survived, We lost one at 17 though, God rest his beautiful soul !!

scuzzmonster Posted on 21/9 16:34
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SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:12
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WHat a stupid, stupid slagthis woman is.

She is responsible for what happens to her children and you do not let young children play unsupervised. let alone near water!!!!


mickbrown Posted on 21/9 14:17
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My, my - we're a caring sharing bunch on this board aren't we?


SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 14:18
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Well mick, if the stupid slapper wants to raise children she should become a parent, not a spunk bag on benefits.

Your first two posts are clearly based on a bling-wearing mam, a son, Jordon, and his stepsister Bethany. Don't know why you're trying to cloud the issue with an irresponsible parenting argument because it's obvious you have little or no sympathy.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 16:37
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Scuzz i know what i typed and you are right i have no sympathy for lazy parenting which ends in the death of a 10 year old trying to save his younger sister.

Cloud the issue!!!!


The issue is parenting is it not?


Its very strange and i dont know what people are having difficulty with in this debate. IS it the fact that i called her a slag on benefits? Or is it becasue i hold her responsible for the parenting of her children?

dibzzz Posted on 21/9 16:38
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Usher306:

Your comments are quite sad.

I can only imagine how let down as a parent she must feel if there were two adults (being community officers has nowt to do with it) there who were to worried about not having the correct training and would rather see a kid drown.

I really can't get my head round this one, it's obviously not as simple an incident as we might think, if I seen a kid in any sort of mortal danger I'd react instictivley without any thought of my own safety to try and help.

I can only imagine they were both non swimmers and if there were two fishermen in the water already trying to help then I can forgive them for it.

But if they were both swimmers and the two fishermen obviously needed a hand then there's no excuse.

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 16:39
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Will you pass onto your kids your lovely sympathetic nature?

Or some manners?

Winston_Spangler Posted on 21/9 16:42
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There's no way a girl of 8 should be roaming about unsupervised.

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scuzzmonster Posted on 21/9 16:42
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It's just an observation, SS, and I'm not outraged by yours. Just seemed as though your initial comments might have appeared to have been a bit lacking in compassion, whether they were accurate or not. Time, place and all that,

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 16:44
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What i will pass onto my kids is love and for them to know i will always do whats best for them, and if they moan that their friends are playing at the quarry, pond, lake, road, wherever it may be, they wont be going on their own at the age of 8, thats for sure.

For the fookingumpteenth time i have sympathy for the kids and those who were involved in the ordeal, but i find it difficult to have sympathy for someone who fails to protect the lives of young children by showing some common sense and maturity.

FFS do we even know if these kids could swim properly? And even if they were world champions, its not a swimming pool, its a fooking pond with weeds and other shoite that can entangle kids.

mickbrown Posted on 21/9 16:46
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You called a grieving mother a benefit scrounging slag.

Speaks voulmes about the sort of parent you'll be.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 16:50
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mick,

"She might well have drummed it into them not to play near water. But kids and kids and do they listen? I didn't when I was 10."

To leave an 8 year old in the supervision of a 10 year old is so amazingly shocking i cannot get my head round it.

If you think being a parent is telling them and then if they do it anyway you tried, i worry. Its one thing shouting at kids and saying don't do this, but you have to do more and drag em home if they disobey you. Why would you leave a 10 year old to supervise other kids??

Trust me mick, i have no worries about the parent i will become. I have manners and just because i called a lazy parent a slag doesn't mean jackshit.

TheRedCosack Posted on 21/9 16:52
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"Both ourselves and the fire brigade regularly warn the public of the dangers of going into unknown stretches of water so it would have been inappropriate for PCSOs, who are not trained in water rescue, to enter the pond"

Sickening, do they have to be trained to rip off some gear and get in there and make themselves have it in order to save a kid, a bloody kid who has gone under water? I think its harsh to call them cowards, they could have froze, like people do on a rock face or whatever, but people like that should not be wearing the crown and walking about the streets. Shocking.

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Thornaby_Boro Posted on 21/9 17:07
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I understand where splendidstuff is coming from. The parents probably have been neglectful but they are now suffering the worst possible consequences of that neglect.
However, I think the debate here should be about PCSOs. If saving 10 year old kids drowning in a 6ft deep lake isn't part of their jobs, then what the hell is? We should get rid of the lot and employ real policemen.
It was always policing on the cheap, and this just proves it.

one_job Posted on 21/9 17:16
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I heard about this devastating incident on the news at work i have just got home and am totally shocked and disgusted at some of the things that have been said on this board about that poor family. who does this splendidstuff think he is ? calling people he doesnt know names like that after what has happened.
we dont know all the facts but if it was one of the officers own kids would he have left him to drowned cos he wasnt trained.

dibzzz Posted on 21/9 17:17
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I can't believe the amount of people on here are blaming the mother.

Cast your minds back when you were kids, now remember all the stupid things and close shaves you got into, were your parents there watching your every step? No.

Give your heads a shake.

Azedarac Posted on 21/9 17:18
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It's not even policing on the cheap, you get someone with 1/10th the authority/ability of a regular police officer for about half the price. It was based on the notion that any presence would deter crime, but the the criminals soon realised the PCSOs are powerless. It's like the difference between shooting crows or putting a scarecrow out in the field.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 17:26
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onejob, i think children of that age should not be in environments like that unsupervised, but i was hasty in calling the mother, however i still feel tragedies like this can be avoided easily.

You seem to hold the community officers responsible and have made an opinion about them without knowing the full facts, so i don't see how you can be disgusted.

dibzzz Posted on 21/9 17:34
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Just look at all the tragic accidents over the years you hear about, things like kids falling out of windows, drowning in back garden ponds etc, the mothers and father were probably just feet away but unaware.

I agree an 8 yearold unsupervised near a public pond is irresponsble and shouldn't happen and it's out of order.

But this is about the CPO's not helping when they could, that's out of order too.

Shevz Posted on 21/9 17:36
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all of that is irrelevant.

the point is, a 10 year old boy was brave enough to jump in and save his 8 year old sister, but 2 grown adults were too cowardly to jump in after a 10 year old boy.

i would have jumped in.

smudge18 Posted on 21/9 17:38
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WHERE WERE THE PARENTS ???
See also McCann and Bulger families !!!!!

TheRedCosack Posted on 21/9 17:41
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also, its not on to label every CPSO as a result of this, some great some good and some as in this case, with or without the full facts, pompous and useless.

dibzzz Posted on 21/9 17:48
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You p**ck Smudge18

Bulger was next to his mam in the shopping centre, she was looking in a shop window, she looked round and he's gone.
Could have happened to any mother that day, just very very unlucky.

Get your facts right before you post stupid statements on here.

The McCanns were just negletful and let their daughter and other two kids down.

TheRedCosack Posted on 21/9 17:50
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spot on dibzzz

smudge18 Posted on 21/9 17:50
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dibzzz - how can you be "just neglectful" ?? They will probably never see her again. What a shame they were just neglectful, never mind eh ??? p***k

one_job Posted on 21/9 17:52
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splendid i didnt call the officers disgusting i called you disgusting for your comments about the mother . bad mother maybe but slut and scrounger is uncalled for.
but i think you know that.
i dont blame the officers for being cowards ,like i said we dont know the facts.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 21/9 18:04
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All is not as was reported earlier.

The CSO's turned up after he'd been missing a while and after he had probably died. They didn't know where he was and were not trained in recovery for this type of situation.

They established the location of the lake for other emergency services to come to after the emergency services had gone to the wrong locations.

Now think about that, that means it must have been a long time after the boy had drowned.

The mother is just looking for someone to blame it seems, her head's just in bits.

Link: Full story

dibzzz Posted on 21/9 18:07
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Smudge:

Ok, I'll change the word from 'just' to 'very', does that please you? It probaly did sound a bit blunt and un-sypathetic, but it wasn't meant to.

The McCanns were as negletful as the drowning 8 yearolds parents, but unfortunatley there wasn't two CPO's stood watching.

You also don't get the McCanns getting slagged off like this woman has, it's a class thing.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 21/9 18:11
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There wasn't 2 CPO's watching the kid drown either if you read the link above.

Kind of kills off 90% of the comments on this thread, but I' sure its too late to prevent the 'myth' from becoming 'truth'.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 18:13
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I did not call the mother a slut and scrounger, i said she was a lazy slag on benefits.

I was angry about her directing her grief towards the officers, when i felt strongly the children should not have been in that situation without supervision.

I didnt call her a scrounger, i was just stereotyping, which i admit is wrong but i felt strongly on this issue.

After watching on the news just now showed me how this was not a picturesque pond, it was a murky deep dangerous expanse of water that is not safe for kids to swim in.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 20:09
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Splendid calling a grieving mother a slag, shame on you.

Disgusting.

siddaway2 Posted on 21/9 20:23
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the officers could not see the kid. the waters are mucky as hell and jumping in would do no good but put them in danger as they have nothing to try find the kid with. we cant blame the officers. maybe they couldnt swim besides them jumping in could have only made matters worse and ended up in more people being pulled out dead.

i feel for all the family and the friends and people around that area as this is a tradgedy.

i live with my girlfriend and we have two kids and live on a busy main road. i would not let them kids outside near that road unsupervised. i will always keep them near and know were they are whenever they go out not a moment passes when i dont know were they are. if thats sad then i dont care one bit and i will be this way for a long time. i also feel for the mother she has lost a child and cant bare to imagine how that would feel. but i feel she has let her kids down. at their ages playing in a lake is bad enough but without her their is even worse that cant be right in any way.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 20:25
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If I could see the kid or not I would be in looking for him.

Senor_Chester Posted on 21/9 20:26
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Even sadder the kid died as it looks like he had the bravery to jump into the lake without a secound thought to save his step sister. Shame the 2 people who stood and watched weren't as brave.

siddaway2 Posted on 21/9 20:38
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its not about being brave. the boy was brave and sadly this happened. just because these people are adults and community officers doesnt make them life guards. you could of jumped in and possibly made a difference but on the other hand u dont know whats under the water and may have became caught on something and died yourself cant believe these people are being made out to be bad in someway.

pisces Posted on 21/9 20:56
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iron_nops, now see what you started!

Piquet2 Posted on 21/9 21:04
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I'm sorry but whether I was trained or not, I would have been in there, I would also have been in there if I was their mother.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 21:28
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Why was it so dangerous? Was it just a local lake?

Scratch that I just saw a picture and read the article it is only 6 feet deep ffs, utter shithouses, exactly the kind of people that shouldn't be community officers, could you respect a person like that? What kind of person can stand by and watch another person, a child no less drown in water that is only 6 feet deep?

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SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 21:47
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Bateman you should read the full story, they did not watch as a boy drowned, he was already underwater when they got on the scene.

moxzin87 Posted on 21/9 21:52
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Reading that SmogMonster I have a lot more sympathy for the CSO's. The two fishermen had done their best but Jordan was gone when they arrived. Interesting how what they didn't do was described as 'a recovery' rather than a 'rescue', which should tell people a lot. We can all argue that they should have rent their uniforms and launched in; but if two fishermen couldn't save him, and some time had passed since then..

We all have a picture in our mind's eye of how it would have looked and what we would have done. But we just can't know for sure until we're presented with such a weighty situation. These people who signed up to CSO's - they're not doing it for the power (because there isn't much), are not doing it for the respect (because there isn't any), certainly not doing it for the pay.. they're doing it to help their community, genuinely lend a hand. With this in mind, the fact they've already got this far by being CSO's in the first place, I can't see how they'd suddenly make such a selfish and cowardly decision at this point (both of them too), such as the scenario's people are painting on this thread and elsewhere.

They acted the best way they were trained to do, have been commended by their superiors when they could have been made sacrificial lambs, and must be going through absolute hell by how the press and public have responded.

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 21:56
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Bateman would do himself a favour to read thefucking story, thecunt.

TheRedCosack Posted on 21/9 22:00
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and this is the crux of the matter, for how long had the kid been underwater when two CPSOs arrived?

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SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 22:07
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Problem is the water is very murky and its 6ft deep. When you dive in and swim about looking you cannot see much underwater so you end up going on touch. This would be very difficult as the lad could possibly be right under.

TheRedCosack Posted on 21/9 22:09
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that doesnt answer my query SS, probably best I watch the news tomorrow and i suspect that a lot of people will draw their own conclusions based on the time they arrived at the scene.

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 22:12
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The PSCOs didn't know that the water was 6ft deep anyway. When they finally arrived no one could instruct them as to where the boy was last seen and given that the pond was a large as a football field entering the pond searching for the boy would have been like looking for a needle in a haystack. A sad accident which unfortunately some morons seem to shoulder the blame onto the PSCOs

TheRedCosack Posted on 21/9 22:14
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ok mate, i dont doubt you, maybe everything will be further explained on the news.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 22:15
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st petersburg should do us all a favour and drown himself, the lousy survile waste of life.

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 22:17
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Awwww. Are you upset because I've shown you up for thefucking moron that you are? Poor diddums.

elnino1 Posted on 21/9 22:18
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I was quite passionate about the whole McCann situation as feel that they commited wilfull neglect, however this case is massively different.

I thin the reason why some would possibly blame her (I don't BTW) is that she is now playing the blame game rather than letting this rest and grieving for her son.

If the child was already under water when they arrived then for me there is no way they would have been able to enter the water. There was already people in there, they probably felt totally helpless.

Tragic all round. very tragic that these two now have their names tarnished in public because the blame game is being played.

On the other hand, I can also understand why people would raise the question of how 5 under 10's were allowed near a lake.

FFS it was a lake not a pond!

I'm confusing myself now.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 22:18
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The fact that the person is a pco is not relevant; the water depth is not even that relevant most adults can swim well enough to be fine in a pond. The fact that they made zero effort to help the kid regardless of the situation is relevant.

Also relevant is the fact that st petersburg has the manners of a guttersnipe.

I blame the parents.

Ricky_Grifon Posted on 21/9 22:20
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Such a sad and sorry story.With regards to this thread i can only say all you adults please make any effort to save a child.

make of that what you want .... Fookk the old bill and all those linked to them

elnino1 Posted on 21/9 22:20
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To add to this, I feel the comments from some stating they would just dive in is ridiculous.

Picture it. You turn up, there is a massive commotion about a missing boy, yet there is absolutely no idea where he is. This lake is fairly big.

So you just decide to jump in and have a dive under water (no visibility in these lakes BTW).

nope, can't see it myself.

elnino1 Posted on 21/9 22:21
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Bateman, but how would they know where to start? Yes there were people in the water but the kid was not where they last saw him.

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SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 22:24
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zero effort is wide of the mark bateman.

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 22:26
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It wasn't a lake it was a pond. Actually it was a quarry. Shows how much you know cockend.

Bateman needs to take his head from his self-rightgeous anus and go and read thefucking story instead of acting like a armchair warrior. Dickhead.

Little_P Posted on 21/9 22:26
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Harsh as it may seem why risk your life to recover a body?

elnino1 Posted on 21/9 22:27
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petersburg, was that first remark aimed at me?

As in my opinion a pond is a small garden water feature.

That looked more like a lake.

Ricky_Grifon Posted on 21/9 22:29
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Harsh as it may seem why risk your life to recover a body?

Good question !! even your kid Little P ?

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 22:33
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The irony of st Petersburg addressing people as cyber warrior’s when nobody know who he is and he ends every sentence with daftcunt or cockend is hilarious.

You’re embarrassing yourself with your peasant behaviour.

Little_P Posted on 21/9 22:36
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Ricky. As I see it these two community officers arrived some time after the boy had gone under. It was a body recovery. They were not trained for such an event so they called for assistance.

A drowning boy in sight would have been a different scenario and I'm sure they would have dived straight in.

People are over re-acting.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 22:38
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On the video in the link the reporter said two community supporter workers didn't enter the water and stood on the edge as the boy drown. That suggests he was alive when they arrived.

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 22:39
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What's Bateman whinging about now the obnoxious turd? Go hang yourself off Saltburn pier you worthless SHlTEHAWK.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 22:40
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.

Link: For Bateman

Boro_Owl Posted on 21/9 22:43
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You see a kid drowning, you jump in and try to help, trained or not. They should be ashamed.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 22:43
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Really quite embarrassing, anyway your poor manners are not the issue here. Back to the topic.

kazzaxxx Posted on 21/9 22:43
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st_petersburg are you always this arogant?

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 22:43
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Which simply isn't true though is it Bateman, you plonker. First of all the PSCOs were given the wrong location and arrived at a different pond. When they arrived no one could tell them where the boy was last seen. Even the anglers who helpled the boy's sister couldn't point out his last location. People are quick to blame them because they seem to think they're beyond human.

Bateman is afucking knob.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 22:44
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Boro Owl have a read of the link also, just so people know what happened.

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 22:45
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They didn't see the child though did they Boro_Owl? They arrived when he was completely submerged and no one there knew his last location.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 22:47
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St Petersburg you truly are a peasant. Like I said your poor manners are not the topic here and nobody is interested in your worthless opinion of other posters, the fact that you concentrate your efforts on people rather than the issue is a clear sign of your lack of intelligence. Back on topic, don’t address me I am not interested in your views, you’re far too stupid and unsophisticated to have anything worth reading.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 22:49
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kazzaxxx Posted on 21/9 22:49
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wonder if there is going to be a fight in eston 2morow

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 22:50
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He's upset because he's wrong and has been shown up a such. Absolute coward.

Ricky_Grifon Posted on 21/9 22:54
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They didn't see the child though did they Boro_Owl? They arrived when he was completely submerged and no one there knew his last location.......


Fook me so lets just watch from the sides then.. lol

Lets hope the firebrigade dont take the same stance the and only act if the body can be seen ... show some fookin courage for fook sake after all we pay your coin.

Pissed up..... fook nicolls and you left wingers . Boro Boys we are ere yooooooo yooooo. lol night all

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SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 22:56
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Who was the stupid and unsophisticated comment for?

Can't tell if it was you or me petersburg.

Little_P Posted on 21/9 22:57
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The Fire Brigade would have specialist equipment

Ricky_Grifon Posted on 21/9 22:58
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Kazzaa..... i can almost taste you honey .mmmm pussy lol fff hard and fast babe

--- Post edited by Ricky_Grifon on 21/9 22:59 ---

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 22:58
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Splendid I was addressing St Petersburg, read through his posts and I think it is clear to see the guys has the charm and manners of an ape.
oh and I will be in square 1 tomorrow at midday st petersburg...if you wish to continue this conversation.

--- Post edited by Patrick_Batemen on 21/9 23:00 ---

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 22:59
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Ok just thought you might have dismissed the article i linked.

radiogaga Posted on 21/9 23:03
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Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people have said exactly the same as Patrick. Yet St. Petersburg uses it as an excuse to start a foul mouthed tirade, not over the issue, but because he wants to start an argument.

I think he needs rescuing by CPO's or any type of police officer. Or men in white coats.

--- Post edited by radiogaga on 21/9 23:11 ---

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 23:04
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I don't really have a strong opinion other than any adult that could swim should have gone in the water whether they could see the kid or not, even if the visibility was minimal they have a better chance of seeing him in the water than on the bank. I can't see how it is dangerous for an adult to go in.

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 23:04
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Grifon you're an idiot.

The pond was as big as a football field and when they arrived not one person had seen where the boy had last been located for some time. Instead they instructed the emergency services as too where the pond was located as they were given the wrong locations. They didn't watch from the sides they didn't know where abouts the boy was, Get that into your thick skull.

kazzaxxx Posted on 21/9 23:04
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some right divs/dicks on here

kazzaxxx Posted on 21/9 23:06
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all gone quiet, there mams must of put em to bed

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 23:07
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"I can't see how it is dangerous for an adult to go in."

This raises a few questions patrick, for example why did the lad drown?

Was it because he got tangled up in weeds or caght in something?

Or was it because he could not swim?

If you comnsider the water is 6ft deep and not flowing then it should be perfectly safe i would think, but obviously dangerous for a 10 year old lad to perish.

Little_P Posted on 21/9 23:12
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Patrick-Bateman please read this

Link: Water is dangerous

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 23:16
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Ridders, he had done it three of four times now, he is obviously one of the ole guards lynchmen, I could guess at who but it is pointless as he is all the things he described himself to be a cyber warrior and a coward hiding behind new names. The same thing has happened for years except previously I would be banned for arguing back.

Ricky, kazza is a nice lady, no need for that mate.

St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 23:17
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It's pointless Little_P this thick idiotbitch Bateman doesn't care for facts. He just reads the sensationalist headlines and makes comments on that. He's a Daily Mail wet-dream.

--- Post edited by St_Petersburg on 21/9 23:18 ---

charliesdad Posted on 21/9 23:21
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I have been involved in quite a few water rescue/recovery's and 6ft of water is massive, there is usually all sorts of stuff on the bottem, bikes, shopping trolleys and the stuff that should be there weeds etc, it would have been pure luck if they had gone in and found him.
should they have?
I don't know.

radiogaga Posted on 21/9 23:23
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"he is obviously one of the old guard"


Yes, one that has adopted a completely different writing style to his normal in order to allow his pent up bile to overflow.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 23:24
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St Petersburg= uneducated monkey.

ST0CK0 Posted on 21/9 23:24
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Surely the anglers at the pond had an idea where the lad went under.

radiogaga Posted on 21/9 23:27
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STOCKO, that was my thinking, they had already bravely rescued the boys sister.

I think it is a tragic accident and that sort of thing happens. I doubt those CPO's could have done anything really. God knows how they feel at the moment.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 23:27
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No they rescued the girl and could not locate the kid.

It could have been different if they knew where and it was just a matter of time, but he had vanished by all accounts. And when you consider the men fishing could have been on the other side fishing away and not seen the lad go under, just the girl.

I doubt an 8 year old girl in a panic would be much use though.

Little_P Posted on 21/9 23:29
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charliesdad. if you've been involved in so many water rescues/ body recoveries and given that these two were untrained and arrived so long after the event with no equipment surely you can lay no blame whatsoever upon them.

ST0CK0 Posted on 21/9 23:32
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Yes the anglers saved the girl, so they would have a general idea of where the lad would be, as he was trying to save her. It wouldnt have hurt for them to at least wade in and try.

charliesdad Posted on 21/9 23:38
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little p
i don,t,
should they have tried to do something however futile,
training for situations like that can't be provided, it is just in there somewhere, a lot of people say they would have gone in but they were not there
god bless the lad

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 23:39
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Stocko sorry you dont seem to be understanding the situation.

They saved the girl but could not direct even the extra emergency services to his exact location becasue they didnt see him go under.

Obviously if the anglers saved the girl or if just one concentrated on her then the other could have got the lad, but i dont thinkl they knew at all where he was.

Stepper_T Posted on 21/9 23:41
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Kid dies, Boronation goes crazy, capio goes into education/class/manners mode.

Super.

ST0CK0 Posted on 21/9 23:44
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Well the pond was only the size of a football pitch, apparently, so if they rescued the girl from a certain area that sort of narrows down the area to look for her brother.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 23:45
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Stocko go on the bbc website and read the article then at least you can understand what the circumstances were, without referencing the images in your head.


Its not like fooking bath water, its murky and muddy with zero visibility.

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St_Petersburg Posted on 21/9 23:49
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It's pointless trying to explain it to thickos like Stocko and Bateman, their heads are filled with used johnnys and dirty tampons, all kinds of SHlTE you find in the sewers. Thick asfuck.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 21/9 23:50
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Stepper you’re starting to look very needy in your defamation of this site to build up stuart’s site.

ST0CK0 Posted on 21/9 23:54
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Oh i get it now, they pulled the girl out and lost sight of the boy, who might have floated to the other end of the pond, FUCKOFF you gutless twats, just admit it wouldnt have harmed the csos to get there bloody feet wet and at least try, fruitless or not.

SplendidStuff Posted on 21/9 23:56
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Stocko if you wont read the facts from the latest article on the bbc website then i can't debate it with you.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 21/9 23:57
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Should they have gone in?

Heart says yes but head says a firm no.

There are many instances on record where potential rescuers have gone in and lost their lives through not really having the expertise to safely perform a rescue attempt.

Maybe not the best analagy but there are numerous occasions over the years where people have attempted rescue from enclosed spaces only to lose their lives as a result, in the same manner in which the people who they tried to save lost their's.

Those who are quick to condemn should take a step back and think about their comments, they don't know what they are talking about.

skiprat Posted on 22/9 0:03
..

In the 3 or 4 years i've been on this board i don't think i've ever read posts as shameful and embarrassing as most of this thread.

ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:05
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From the BBC website,
Two anglers waded in and pulled Bethany to safety using their rods but Jordon became submerged.

The alarm was raised and the PCSOs arrived. Police said they could see no sign of Jordon in the water, so they radioed trained officers for help.

Where does it say the anglers forgot the general area that they lost sight of the boy? They knew where they pulled the girl out, so the boy wasnt that far away.

SplendidStuff Posted on 22/9 0:06
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so then why were the anglers unsuccesfull if it was that easy?

ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:09
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Because they didnt want to get wet, which is why they used their rods to save the girl.

SplendidStuff Posted on 22/9 0:10
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WHAT?????

radiogaga Posted on 22/9 0:10
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The life saving motto is, if I remember correctly, 'throw, reach, row, swim'

i.e. entering the water is a last resort.

ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:15
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radiogaga, i agree, but the earlier options were not available to the csos, as the boy had already gone under, my only concern is, that they could have at least waded in to the general area where the anglers rescued the girl from.

radiogaga Posted on 22/9 0:20
re: Kid drowns while police stand and watch

There was something similar on the telly recently. A young man, 20 something fell into a harbour near some pubs/clubs.

The police arrived and could do nothing, it was dark and the water was foul.

The fire brigade arrived, they found the guy using long poles with hooks. Dragged him out and attempted to resuscitate him.

It was too late and he died.

We should be careful of judging others. Difficult if we were not there.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 22/9 0:22
re: Kid drowns while police stand and watch

Mmmn, there are quite a few armchair heroes on the board tonight.

Let me assure you, that if faced with with a similar situation and they acted without thinking there would be a number of dead heroes not posting on the board tonight.

One of the posters on this thread is a fireman, his comments were very neutral, and I guess it's because his heart would send him straight in but his head and training would urge caution. (apologies if my comment is wrong Mr firefighter)

Like I said in my earlier post, Those who are quick to condemn should take a step back and think about their comments, they don't know what they are talking about.

SplendidStuff Posted on 22/9 0:22
re: Kid drowns while police stand and watch

WOAH WOAH WOAH

"Because they didnt want to get wet, which is why they used their rods to save the girl."

Stocko are you saying that the anglers did not wade into the water and get wet because they did infact accroding to the text you posted, wade into the water and also use rods to rescue the girl.

Also saying they didn't want to get wet would make them as bad as the csos would it not?

ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:28
re: Kid drowns while police stand and watch

Splendidstuff, before you have an orgasm, the anglers had chest waders on, as they were flyfishing, so no they didnt get wet.
Didnt you see this story 3 months ago?

St_Petersburg Posted on 22/9 0:29
re: Kid drowns while police stand and watch

STOCKO, youfucking dipstick. The anglers went into the water chest height to rescue the girl they didn't see where the boy vanished, which is why they couldn't do anything.

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SplendidStuff Posted on 22/9 0:31
re: Kid drowns while police stand and watch

and stocko you have contradicted yourself by implying the anglers didn't want to get wet as an excuse to their failed rescue attempt of the boy.

Its the exact same thing you are blaming the officers of is it not?

ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:31
re: Kid drowns while police stand and watch

Stpetersburg, you know because you were there werent you? fuckoff you silly boy.

Patrick_Batemen Posted on 22/9 0:34
re: Kid drowns while police stand and watch

Timmy Mallet would make a great pco or whatever they're called.

ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:34
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Look again, i have not contradicted myself.

St_Petersburg Posted on 22/9 0:37
re: Kid drowns while police stand and watch

I know because I've bothered to read thefucking report,s you softcunt.

ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:40
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HMMMMMMMMM Believe everything you read, littlejimmy?

SplendidStuff Posted on 22/9 0:42
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so then why were the anglers unsuccesfull if it was that easy?


ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:09
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Because they didnt want to get wet, which is why they used their rods to save the girl.


So what issue are you debating here?

Is it the csos or is it the anglers not rescuing the boy?

SplendidStuff Posted on 22/9 0:45
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"HMMMMMMMMM Believe everything you read, littlejimmy?"

well considering the only source of reliable info is through the news then you would do well to believe it, unless you know something we dont stocko, in which case you just make up shyte.

ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:47
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splendidstuff,(columbo) the newspapers are blaming the csos, because it makes a better story, but personally i think everyone that was there is just as guilty for not doing enough, just my opinion mind.

SplendidStuff Posted on 22/9 0:50
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stocko the bbs latest reports that are the based on police information are not blaming anyone, infact if you bothered to read.

Two community support officers "did not stand by and watch" a 10-year-old boy drown, a police chief has said.
Assistant Chief Constable Dave Thompson defended the PCSOs after the death of Jordon Lyon, who drowned in a pond in Wigan, Greater Manchester, on 3 May.

It goes into greater detail as to what happened as does not place blame so this is what i would be using to base my opinion.

ST0CK0 Posted on 22/9 0:57
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Its a new story to you ss, this happened months ago and as you are a woman you can have the last word.

Corporal_Bones Posted on 22/9 1:06
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I think we'll win 3-2.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 22/9 10:49
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For those that cant be bothered to click on a link:

PCSOs 'did not watch boy drown'

Jordon was pulled from the water but could not be resuscitated

Two community support officers "did not stand by and watch" a 10-year-old boy drown, a police chief has said.
Assistant Chief Constable Dave Thompson defended the PCSOs after the death of Jordon Lyon, who drowned in a pond in Wigan, Greater Manchester, on 3 May.

He said officers were not expected to rescue people from water and they could not see where Jordon was in the lake.

Instead, the PCSOs summoned extra help and made sure emergency services could locate the scene.

Jordon had leapt into the water at John Pit after his eight-year-old stepsister Bethany got into difficulties as they collected tadpoles.

He was trying to support Bethany as she struggled in the six-feet-deep water before slipping from view.

Two anglers waded in and pulled Bethany to safety using their rods but Jordon became submerged.

The alarm was raised and the PCSOs arrived. Police said they could see no sign of Jordon in the water, so they radioed trained officers for help.

Jordon's stepfather Anthony Ganderton also arrived on the scene and he plunged into the water.

Mr Thompson said they would not encourage any police officer to jump into the water because of the dangers and he paid tribute to the PCSOs for "acting correctly".

But he insisted: "The two PCSOs involved did not stand by and watch Jordon die.


The pond is at a well-known beauty spot in Wigan

"They acted correctly and I fully support the actions they took.

"The initial call to police gave the wrong location. This was no-one's fault, as the lake is known by several different names locally and there are other similar lakes nearby.

"The PCSOs managed to establish the correct location and immediately informed the control room to ensure the emergency services were sent there.

"One PCSO cycled to the road to alert other emergency services as they headed to the scene, while the other remained at the lake.

"Again it is important to stress that Jordon had not been seen for some time before their arrival. The inquest established that, tragically, at the time of the PCSOs' arrival, Jordan was probably dead.

"We do not encourage police and PCSOs to carry out this kind of underwater rescue. They are not trained in this type of rescue, which is fraught with danger.


Mrs Ganderton wants the PCSOs to be named

"Everyone involved in this incident has been deeply affected and saddened by the loss of a young life."

Jordon's mother Tracy Ganderton, of Bluebell Avenue, Wigan, is demanding to know why the PCSOs did not try to rescue Jordon and why they did not give evidence at the inquest held by deputy West Manchester coroner Alan Walsh on Friday.

'Through the pain'


Mrs Ganderton said: "You don't care if you're going to lose your job or not, you don't care do you?

"I want to know why they didn't go in, I want to know why they weren't at the inquest when I had to turn up there, and go through the pain of it all."

An inquest into Jordon's death recorded a verdict of accidental death last week.

The Home Office have defended the role of PCSOs.

A spokeswoman said: "Community Support Officers are an invaluable addition to policing and have a primary focus on engaging with their local community, providing high visibility reassurance policing dealing with low level crime.

"They are an integral part of police officer-led Neighbourhood Policing Teams.

"They are a complement to, not a replacement for, sworn police officers. There are now more 16,000 PCSOs

"Guidance advises PCSOs not to enter into life threatening situations for which they are not trained."






So they turned up on scene AFTER a 999 call, after visits to other ponds, and the kid hadn't been seen for a while, the two fishermen on site couldnt rescue him and they were there at the time. The kid would have been dead a while when they turned up. They didnt jump in because it was really as mox said a recovery operation at that point, and you can't expect someone to jump in and risk their lives over a dead body!