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Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 14:57
Drug dealing in town centre pub last nighr

Not sure if I'm allowed to say what pub it was, but as I'm going to the gents, this other lad leaves, only to come back in a minute later as I'm washing my hands. He was followed by another lad, who was getting money out of his wallet. The pair then went into a toilet cubicle together. Informed the bar staff straightaway, but they didn't seem interested.

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 14:58
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maybe he was paying for sex

where you in a gay pub?

Reading1967 Posted on 23/9 14:58
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could be most of the pubs on Teesside that

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:01
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really? are they all gay?

skiprat Posted on 23/9 15:04
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What did you expect the bar staff to do?

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:05
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nighr

if i was working there i would have joined in

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 15:06
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nighr

LOL peace donkey. Well they were both back in the bar shortly after

johngittens Posted on 23/9 15:06
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oh dear me, people taking drugs in a pub. how naughty

Smogariffic_MFC Posted on 23/9 15:06
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the bar staff cant do anything, you should have told the bouncers.
maybe the were taking eachother up there @rses though?

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Senor_Chester Posted on 23/9 15:07
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Boro_Gadgie I take it you don't get out much then?

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:07
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well alcohol is a drug, how can you not do drugs in a pub, even coca-cola has caffeine in it

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 15:07
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nighr

There weren't any bouncers about, but if there were, the bar staff surely would have alerted them.

another_waster Posted on 23/9 15:09
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If you were really bothered you should of phoned the cops instead of keeping it in for your big internet forum rant.

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 15:10
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Senor Chester, as far as I'm aware, all decent pubs have strict anti-drugs policies, which are there to be enforced. I take it you condone drug dealing.

Another waster, I thought about that, but I think a drugs raid would have ruined everyone's night. I'd rather the pub staff had sorted it and they could alert the police. It would be quicker if the staff had gone in there straightaway and caught them red handed. Even if the police did arrive< they might have had a wasted journey or they would have searched everyone. I'm going to give them a call to tip them off, so they might keep an eye on the pub in question in the future.

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Smogariffic_MFC Posted on 23/9 15:15
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Boro_Gadgie, youre telling me you have never smoked,sniffed or inhaled any drugs????
it goes on all over and quite frnakly, it probably will NEVER be stopped.

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:18
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i met he gets invited to loads of parties

Smoggy_jay Posted on 23/9 15:18
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gadgie, were you surprised at this?

Reading1967 Posted on 23/9 15:18
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BG live and let live
It happens dont give it a second thought

they were in a pub not outside school gates

Senor_Chester Posted on 23/9 15:18
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Condone it? I don't know, depends how good their gear is.

As for running straight out of the toilet to warn the bar staff! I'm not surprised they ignored you, it's hardly headline stuff is it - 'Drug dealing in town centre pub last night', it could be any pub across the country.

Smogariffic_MFC Posted on 23/9 15:20
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Boro_Gadgie, how old are you?

Senor_Chester Posted on 23/9 15:20
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"I'm going to give them a call to tip them off, so they might keep an eye on the pub in question in the future."

Seriously, why??

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 15:20
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The only time I've come into contact with recreational drugs was as a Uni student, I was in a room with other students and they started passing the reefers round. I politely declined as I didn't approve. If they'd started doing it in my room I'd have told them they couldn't or they'd have to leave.

Smogariffic, believe it or not, not everyone takes drugs.

bushyeyebrows Posted on 23/9 15:22
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Donkey. That name suits you what a twat, lots of people go to parties and have a great time, they dont have to stick stuff up their noses to have a good time.

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:23
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do u drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes?

skiprat Posted on 23/9 15:24
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Bar staff goes to toilet to stop them

Bar staff gets kicked in, ends up in hospital

Boro_Gadgie leaves pub unawares and posts on message board with the ability he still has in his two arms while bar staff is still in hospital.

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 15:26
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I like a few beers, but beer drinking is legal. Drugs, quite rightly aren't.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 23/9 15:26
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Lol As if you're biting to him, he's blatantly having a daft crack.

Smogariffic_MFC Posted on 23/9 15:26
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Boro_Gadgie, i didnt say everyone did do it. but look around you when youre out, the majority are young lads and lasses. im young myself and i go to to events such as Gatecrasher,Godskitchen,Creamfields etc most of the people in there are chewing there faces off on E, i dont take any of it but i dont go to the bar stuff saying oh there taking/dealing drugs over there.

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Senor_Chester Posted on 23/9 15:26
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You have led a sheltered life Boro_Gadgie.

ayresome_82 Posted on 23/9 15:27
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nighr

Its illegal, but it happens and is more commonplace than people think. They werent hurting you.

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:28
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I like a few beers, but beer drinking is legal. Drugs, quite rightly aren't.
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incorrect. illegal drugs aren't legal. drinking beer is still taking drugs, its just a legal drug

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 15:29
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Senor Chester, dealing in drugs is illegal and needs to be eradicated. Turning a blind eye does society no favours. I don't apologise for having principles.

Mattyk50 Posted on 23/9 15:30
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a lot of people on here have no right to complain about the state our country is in then. they must think having a town full of smack heads and prostitutes is totally acceptable.

what other crimes should we all turn a blind eye to?

i hear muggings are quite common around the country, best just accept that they go on too

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 23/9 15:31
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Look lads, get real.

I appreciate you all see nothing wrong with the occasional spliff or 'e' or whatever else may be your pleasure but look at the bigger picture.
A chunk of the money you pay the low life dealers for your few minutes of pleasure eventually filters it's way up to the 'Mr Bigs' of the criminal underworld who are also involved in other vile activities.

When you buy your drugs

YOU are supporting Human Traffiking
YOU are supporting the Talliban
YOU are supporting Child Porn
YOU are supporting Child Prostitution
YOU are supporting much of the disgusting crime and violence of this world.

All I ask is that whenever you buy you 'harmless' Fix just think about the true consequences.

Good lad Gadgie, shame about the lack of response to your report.

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Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 15:31
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nighr

Stop being picky donkey. You know I meant illegal drugs, I doubt he was selling paracetemols.

Reading1967 Posted on 23/9 15:32
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Boro Gadgie , but you did turn a blind eye though didnt you ?
you just ran to someone else to challenge them

if you are so principled why didnt you challenge them?

Smogariffic_MFC Posted on 23/9 15:33
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Boro_Gadgie, it is good that you care and want to make a difference. but the police have been trying to fight drug use for years and it will continue, the matter of the fact is its going to keep going on for a long time too.
new ones are found and are sold on the streets, aslong as youre not doing them you have nothing to worry about. think about youre own safety first if they wanna be snorting s!$t up there noses then so be it its there health and bodies there f"cking up.

NSB19 Posted on 23/9 15:34
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Drugs raid at peace donkeys squat

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:35
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i'm not being picky i'm just highlight your hypocrisy, you don't seem to want to accept then when you are having a few beers in the pub, you are taking part in a drug taking experience in a drug den, you druggie.



oh, and i have spent good money on paracetemols in some night clubs.

Senor_Chester Posted on 23/9 15:36
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"Senor Chester, dealing in drugs is illegal and needs to be eradicated. Turning a blind eye does society no favours. I don't apologise for having principles."

Do you apologise for doing next to nothing then? Anyway name the pub....

Mattyk50 Posted on 23/9 15:37
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next to nothing is still better than nothing last time i checked

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 15:37
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nighr

It's not my job to enforce the law. Firstly, why should I put my neck on the line? Secondly, my physical condition due to a bad knee injury means that at the moment I can't be getting involved in fights. Thirdly, what would I do? Confiscate the drugs and make a citizens arrest? I alerted someone I thought appropriate as I couldn't see any security staff.

Some in here are openly condoning it, yet expect me to single handedly tackle drugs dealers.

scuzzmonster Posted on 23/9 15:38
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I'm not taking the piss here but it's actually quite touching that Boro_Gadgie cares. Naive, maybe, but touching all the same.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 23/9 15:38
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Grump_paul you're talking absolute crap there mate, that's a really Naive way of thinking.

Ps get ya sen a bag of merson and maybe you wont be so Grump?

Smogariffic_MFC Posted on 23/9 15:38
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there you go, you cant do anything about it so let the police take over with it, if you have reported it you have did your best. you have did your bit

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 23/9 15:40
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peace_donkey

You are making an Ass of yourself.

When Gadgie or any of us has a beer we are indulging in a LEGAL activity and not supporting the finance of vile criminals

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 23/9 15:40
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Thank you Matty and Grumpy Paul for backing me up. Smogarrific, I'm aware it goes on, I just thought the pub staff might have been a bit more bothered. Fair enough, I accept you don't condone it.

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Reading1967 Posted on 23/9 15:40
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BG thanks for the best laugh of the day
with that i will take my leave of this thread

comedy genius

Mattyk50 Posted on 23/9 15:42
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no worries. if more people cared about the level of drug activity in the town it was be less of a shithole

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:43
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You are making an Ass of yourself.

When Gadgie or any of us has a beer we are indulging in a LEGAL activity and not supporting the finance of vile criminals
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if you say so, i guess you know your ass!

how does that make alcohol not a drug? its still a drug, those alcoholics you see living in on the street, are they not drug addicts?


oh, and most of the criminals i know are actually quite nice people.

Smogariffic_MFC Posted on 23/9 15:43
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i respect you for caring. most people think i snort all this stuff and take pills when im at Gatecrasher or Godskitchen but i dont.
if more people who are out said stuff like you did then there would probably be a better crackdown on clubs on drugs.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 23/9 15:44
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jam_the_parmo

Are you in denial or something?
My post is 100% correct and I challenge anyone to disprove it.

morkfromork Posted on 23/9 15:44
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The bloke selling in the toilets is most probably selling to kids one the streets. Selling to people who get hooked and turn to a life of mugging and robbing. If there luck and don't kill themselves.

You need to give your head a shake if you think that its ok because loads of people do it in pubs across the country.

The people who deal drugs are the scum of the earth and need to be strung up by there boll@cks.

NSB19 Posted on 23/9 15:46
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My god some people have the mental capability of pond life .... quote "oh, and most of the criminals i know are actually quite nice people". UNLESS YOU ARE THE ONE THEY FRIGGIN MUG, BURGLE, TWOC FROM!! MUPPET

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:46
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lol mork, yeah i did one link of coke and i turned into a mugger! then i tried to kill myself!

jeez, what planet are you on, if anybody needs drugs it's you!

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jam_the_parmo Posted on 23/9 15:47
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jam_the_parmo

Are you in denial or something?
My post is 100% correct and I challenge anyone to disprove it.




Explain to me how it funds child porn?

If you want me to be pedantic about it I can mention some of the good influences illegal drugs have had on society?

morkfromork Posted on 23/9 15:51
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peace_donkey your a plank of the highest order mate.

I did not say everbody who takes drugs gets hooked and turns to a life of crime. But some do. Yes people have a choice to take drugs or not to. But without the vile scumbags selling then nobody would get hooked as they would not have a choice.

You carry on living in you world. Lets just hope you do not have a friend of family member who gets hooked on drugs.

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 15:52
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pick any great album from the last 30 years

those musicians were REAL HIGH ON DRUGS!

wanna listen to some music that was made by musicians who dont do drugs! boy, does their music SUCK!

morkfromork Posted on 23/9 15:53
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That makes it ok to do drugs then.

Silly me i was wrong all along.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 23/9 15:57
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jam_the_parmo

Do I realy Need to explain???

OK I'll keep it simple.

The vast majority of illegal drugs originate from Big crime syndicates. The distribution filters down to the street pushers then on to the end user. All involved buy the drugs and sell on for a profit.
Said crime syndicates are not only involved with drugs but also other vile activities as described previously.
Is that simple enough?

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 16:03
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well i'm convinced, next time i go round my dealers house to pick up some coke and pills i'll see if he's got pics of kids too, makes perfect sense

jam_the_parmo Posted on 23/9 16:03
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Right so all drug barrons are also child porn funders? I still don't see the conection? Surely the people using there credit cards to buy it are the funders? I think you're going to have to explain in greater detail for me there Paul. Not being pedantic here I really quite interested how they are connected.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 23/9 16:09
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jam_the_parmo

"Right so all drug barrons are also child porn funders?"

Yes, many of them are and have involvement in other vile crime.

As previously stated, I challenge anyone to disprove it.

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 16:13
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i have never met a drug dealer who also peddles child porn, in fact, i don't see how you can even begin to link the two "industries", massively different markets, different customers, different culture, different method of delivery, different country of origin.

it would appear you have a personal axe to grind against drugs (for some reason - please do tell) and are looking to taint the drugs industry with whatever filth you can lay your hands on

Senor_Chester Posted on 23/9 16:15
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"The bloke selling in the toilets is most probably selling to kids one the streets. Selling to people who get hooked and turn to a life of mugging and robbing. If there luck and don't kill themselves."

The bloke selling in the toilets is probably giving a bit of coke to his mates for the night out. These people will all turn out for work on Monday morning and will not become addicted or kill themselves. Strange why you would comment on something you obviously know very little about.

Senor_Chester Posted on 23/9 16:17
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"Yes, many of them are and have involvement in other vile crime.

As previously stated, I challenge anyone to disprove it."

A lot of drug money that goes up the ladder to these criminals is also given to various charities of their choice.

I challenge anyone to disprove it.

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 16:20
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LOL^^^ what this guy said

morkfromork Posted on 23/9 16:49
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Senor_Chester Posted on 23/9 16:15
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"The bloke selling in the toilets is most probably selling to kids one the streets. Selling to people who get hooked and turn to a life of mugging and robbing. If there luck and don't kill themselves."

The bloke selling in the toilets is probably giving a bit of coke to his mates for the night out. These people will all turn out for work on Monday morning and will not become addicted or kill themselves. Strange why you would comment on something you obviously know very little about.


Sorry did not realise you know me or my life. What makes you think i know very little on the subject of drugs and what they do to people?

Have i ever taken drugs? Hvae i ever been addicted to drugs? Do i know someone who has been? Or do i know someone who has been affected by drugs?
You can not anwser any of these questions so please do not come on here and tell me what i do and do not know about drugs unless you know me or my life.

If you want the dealers to carry on then fine. I don't as i think they are scum. Your opinion my opinion

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 16:53
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get her!

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 23/9 18:29
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Chester / Donkey
Strange logic you two

Oh well, as a teacher once said to me, you can't educate them if they don't want to be educated.

peace_donkey Posted on 23/9 18:42
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yup, and your logic makes perfect sense
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"Yes, many of them are and have involvement in other vile crime.

As previously stated, I challenge anyone to disprove it."
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LOL, unless you can disprove what i say it MUST be true, MUST BE I TELLS YA!

br14 Posted on 23/9 18:45
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Son of a friend of mine (middle class educated family) was put away after he held up a few gas stations to support his heroin addiction. Shortly after his release he hung himself from a tree after a bad trip.

By this time he'd come across some pretty unpleasant acquaintances. People who will maim or kill without a great deal of thought and they generally get away with it. (What do you think really happens to all those missing persons).

So every time you buy drugs you are supporting a hierarchy of crime that as Grumpy says supports many endeavours that you might find unpleasant.

If you're pitiabliy stupid enough to put yourself in the hands of criminals thats your concern. I think I'd be more likely to deal than partake. Both criminal offences but the rewards are so much greater for dealing.

On the other hand Boro_Gadgie, unless you're up for the challenge, I suggest you keep quiet - these people are not the sort to take being grassed on lightly. If the police wanted to do something about the problem they would.

Michael_Debeve Posted on 23/9 18:49
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Paul, i challenge you to prove it

micky_k86 Posted on 23/9 18:52
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

The simple answer to this problem is just to legalise them. As the problems that the main ones cause (coke and pills) aren't really through making people bad (well not in comparision to booze) they are the factors that goes with selling them, e.g. the crime involved.

br14 Posted on 23/9 19:03
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micky_k86 you may have something there. The problem is how do you legalise the consumption of drugs.

We have enough problems with alcohol. Can you imagine what would happen with harder drugs?

Still it would largely remove the criminal element. Assuming you can legalise the means of production and transport logistics as well.

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 23/9 19:06
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Michael_Debeve

I don't need to prove it as such.
Many TV documentry and current affairs programmes have featured the problem. Serious journalism with no reason to disbelieve what has been shown.

Alfyjs Posted on 23/9 19:22
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I own a pub and believe me, if there is drug dealing going on I want to know about it. The people involved are thrown out and barred.

Not because of any high principles to be honest, but for the following reasons-

* The police take an 'interest' in pubs known to house drug dealers. This can cause a problem when it comes to renewing your license.

* As a rule of thumb, drug dealers are not the type of customers you want in your pub. Neither are the 'customers' they attract.

If one of my bar staff were advised of dealing in the toilets they would be expected to either go in and ask them to leave or if they were uncomfortable with that, inform me.

Manila Posted on 23/9 19:24
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you will never get rid of drugs, just as you will never get rid of hookers.......... its as futile as the global war on terroism.

protect yourself and educate your kids with the truth about recreational chemicals.

if your kids then choose a different way from the mindless crowd you can take a bit of comfort that you have done your job.

ps. play jarvis cocker's sorted out for e's and wizz often!

Cobain_94 Posted on 23/9 19:26
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"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Look lads, get real.

I appreciate you all see nothing wrong with the occasional spliff or 'e' or whatever else may be your pleasure but look at the bigger picture.
A chunk of the money you pay the low life dealers for your few minutes of pleasure eventually filters it's way up to the 'Mr Bigs' of the criminal underworld who are also involved in other vile activities.

When you buy your drugs

YOU are supporting Human Traffiking
YOU are supporting the Talliban
YOU are supporting Child Porn
YOU are supporting Child Prostitution
YOU are supporting much of the disgusting crime and violence of this world.

All I ask is that whenever you buy you 'harmless' Fix just think about the true consequences.

Good lad Gadgie, shame about the lack of response to your report."

You've just put forward the main argument for legalising drugs.

I wouldn't of done anything either, getting my legs broke would give a new meaning to a hard shift at work.

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br14 Posted on 23/9 19:36
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Lot of sense written here. Interesting Alfyjs comments also.

Fact is the only way to control drugs is to reduce the demand.

As long as there is a demand there will be people who satisfy that demand.

If you buy illegal drugs of any kind you are responsible for drug crime.

Senor_Chester Posted on 23/9 19:43
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What pub Alfyjs if you don't mind me asking?

jam_the_parmo Posted on 23/9 21:34
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Paul- you've still not answered my question with a valid answer, you can't just say that and expect me to believe it without giving me details or showing me evidence. I for one would like to be educated. Even if it is true (which I dont think it is) You could say that about many a company. It's like saying buying Jonathon Kings records was helping to fund a Fidler rring, Or saying that Credit cards should be banned because Fraudsters and drug dealers use them to launder money.

You say that other people have a strange way of thinking but I don't see you coming up with any other reasoned arguments. Surely the people who commit these crimes would just find another way of funding them and would do them anyway, so taking away this source of finance wouldn't solve the problem at all?

jam69 Posted on 23/9 21:47
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must admit most of the people i know who "do drugs" tend to be the dullest with not much to say,they think it makes them seem more interesting

jam_the_parmo Posted on 23/9 21:53
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I'd certainly so that's true with 'smokers'. Weed turns people into the dullest most boring people about.

Alfyjs Posted on 23/9 23:10
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Senor_Chester, my pub is in Scotland. I doubt you would know it!

Juno_Legend Posted on 23/9 23:17
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As a barman mate I can tell you, you do best not to see or hear anything, especially if you work in a pub like mine.

Alfyjs Posted on 23/9 23:21
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Well in that case you wouldn't work in a pub like mine.

elnino1 Posted on 23/9 23:29
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Some disgraceful comments on here.

Gadgie, you did the right thing mate and if more did the world would be a better place.

Some of you are the reason society is going down the drain, you jumped up little crackheads.

Makes mi pish boil when a bloke does the right thing and the snorters come out of the woodwork.

Doyles.

I'm talking about YOU chester, reading, donkey etc. Your pathetic.

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TeeJayEss Posted on 23/9 23:41
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Alfyjs - sounds like you're lucky enough to run a nice little pub full of middle aged couples, where any drug dealers would stick out like a sore thumb.
Your approach would be impossible in a normal pub.

Juno_Legend Posted on 23/9 23:59
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Well Alfyjs, good for you.

But I think if I worked in a pub like your's I wouldn't have to keep myself to myself now would I? It's not my business what people do, if they want to wreck themselves fine, but do you think I'm going to storm into a toilet and kick off with Some big coke head who would more than likely smash f*** out of me for a fiver an hour?

Have a word.

Stepper_T Posted on 24/9 0:00
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I'm with Gadgie, why should we have to suffer this scum just because it is now commonplace?

r0chey Posted on 24/9 0:22
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How much was he selling for? He better not be under-cutting me!

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 24/9 0:23
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Jam_the_parmo

you are missing my point. I have nothing against people who want to take drugs of any kind. That is their choice, I just want them to realise that in a none intended way they are sponsoring evil scum who have far reaching influence in all kinds of evil activity.

You are trying to justify the unjustifiable, i.e. you are in denial

Grumpy_Paul Posted on 24/9 0:37
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jam_the_parmo

To put it another way, do you think the Mafia, Yardies, Tong and others exclusively specialise in only one type of illegal activity? No way, they'll deal in anything that makes them money and more to the point gives them power over people, to think otherwise is naive in the extreme. Other people's suffering means nothing to them.
The grass roots buyers are sponsoring and suppoting them whether you like to ignore it or not

Alfyjs Posted on 24/9 0:46
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Juno_Legend, no-one is expected to "storm into a toilet" or "kick off with a coke head". There are more subtle ways to deal with it. I also stated that any staff not comfortable with it can report it to me. As long as they are not turning a blind eye.

TeejayEss - you couldn't be more wrong about my pub. I have had problems with drugs, particularly when I first bought the place. There is no doubt though that since my staff and myself committed to dealing with it the pub is a much better place to drink and to work.
More importantly from my point of view, turnover has also increased.
And this has been done without it kicking off and without any staff getting the f*** smashed out of them.

Archie_Stanton1 Posted on 24/9 8:12
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To all these people taking the p!ss out of the original poster and saying drugs are no big deal, happens everywhere etc etc etc.

If your house gets burgled, or your Mrs gets mugged (and gets a fist in the face in the process) by someone who`s after a few quid to get their next fix (dealt in a town centre pub toilet no doubt), will it still be no big deal ????

Or will you suddenly grow up ?

jam_the_parmo Posted on 24/9 8:18
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Grump_Paul- I think it is you that is missing the point and if you honestly beleive that in this day and age all Narcotics coming from Yardies, Maffia, Bloods etc then you really are Naive. I see what you are saying but that's a very short sighted way of looking at things.

If someone was to talk about buying Fake designer clothes I very much doubt you'd have linked that to Child Porn and Human Trafficing would you? But by your way of thinking it's all relivent.

I'm not stating I condone it either but to say someone out enjoying themselfs on a night out with a little pick me up is not funding all those things you stated any more than someone wearing a Fake Prada top etc etc

jam_the_parmo Posted on 24/9 8:23
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Archie- 99% of Drugs users would not need to out steeling to fund their habit, 99% are recreational users. This is again a very short sighted opinion. It's a generation thing, obviously it wasn't as rife as it is now so you don't have the knowledge as our generation. It's not that much of a big deal this days and you'd be very suprised exactly who does what.

Reading1967 Posted on 24/9 8:40
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When the recreational drug Ecstacy was at its height
What did the authorities do? , arrange the police to storm into pub and club toilets ?

or make these premises provide free water ?

no one is condoning drugs and the people who are arguing about the smackheads who rob their own mothers and mug people in the street are confusing as someone said the 99% of recreational drug users

It happened in my youth weed was common and pills then were
called uppers and downers and ALL the people who i knew from that time never mugged or stole anything and all are very resectful members of society now some who have very responsible jobs

There is far more vilence caused by drunks than people who pop an E or do a line fact

and dont waste your time getting on your moral high horse with me your wasting your time its a message board and people have differing opinions

Huan_Kerr Posted on 24/9 8:46
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Aint it funny how, on this thread, the druggies and ex druggies are the most vociferous and least tolerant of others views?

ericpaylor Posted on 24/9 8:51
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This thread is unbelievable!

Some fella is trying to do the right thing and getting slagged off for it.

If you want to do drug then do it at home.

it isn't big and it isn't clever doing drugs kids. Do these pill poppers not realise that the dealers higher up the chain are only about because of the recreational users. Just thik of the misery these dealers put on peoples life even if they don't want to be involved. How would you like living next to a drug dealer?Would you let your kids out of the house?

Why do people need drugs, can't they go out and have a good time without them? Do they lack social skills?

--- Post edited by ericpaylor on 24/9 8:52 ---

jam_the_parmo Posted on 24/9 8:54
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Haun_Kerr- How have you come up with that little Gem? The way I see it those dead against it are the ones calling people doyles and telling people they're in denial. I and a few others have put our opinions forward and asked others to elaborate theirs, I see nothing wrong it that.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 24/9 8:57
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Eric- Well you're taking the debate to other areas now but i'll humour you, why do people need to drink? Do they lack the social skills?

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 24/9 8:58
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But Reading, wouldn't an addict start off as a recreational user. If you cut the supply, then less recreational users, less addicts and less crime. I know that drugs will never go away completely, as you'll always have some sort of supply and demand, but that doesn't mean the problem should be ignored.

Anyhow, mentioned it to a mate yesterday and he said I should have left well alone as I might have ended up getting a kicking, especially if someone who was in on it became aware of me grassing (no pun intended) to the staff. I didn't confront the dealer, I didn't ignore it, I went for the middle ground.

Anyhow, suffice to say, I called the police yesterday. The woman who took my call said there was no problem with me not ringing them on the night as the likelihood is that it wouldn't be a one off. They also said, that the drugs team might already have the pub under surveillance, though she wasn't privvy to that information.

Also, as pubs are non-smoking, I doubt it would be spliff he was selling, more likely something a bit harder, eg pills, coke etc.

Thanks to all those who come on here and backed me up. At least I felt I tried to do the right thing.

I'll leave you for now with this quote from a fella called Edmund Burke:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

--- Post edited by Boro_Gadgie on 24/9 9:06 ---

ericpaylor Posted on 24/9 9:02
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<Eric- Well you're taking the debate to other areas now but i'll humour you, why do people need to drink? Do they lack the social skills?

Having a couple of drinks isn't the same as getting off your face on drugs. I mean you wouldn't drop an E during a lunchtime at work.

Drugs are not big and not clever. How old are you? Doing drugs is something you should be growing out of by the time you are 21. Do you realise you are just propping up teh food chain for the bigger drug dealer who go around making peoples lifes hell.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 24/9 9:06
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Who said I did do them? I don't.


I just think someone of the attitude on here are pre-historic, you are a prime example of this, "getting off your face on drugs" you obviously do not have a clue what you're on about. Someone for example with ms may have a joint to relax them as you would have a pint to relax. If you don't have any knowledge on the subject why comment it makes your argument futile.

green_beret20 Posted on 24/9 9:08
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Maybe Jam but at least were in comfort of knowing that when I pay for a pint it helps to pay for the NHS (to help ex addicts)or a school? Where does your cash go?

Besides, if your best defence of recreational drug use is to compare it to alcohol you may as well end the conversation. Itís funny though how we seem to be using recreation as some sort of lesser version. Most recreational drug users Iíve known still had the characteristics of being addicted and skint.

--- Post edited by green_beret20 on 24/9 9:15 ---

ericpaylor Posted on 24/9 9:15
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Jam_the_spliffman, bet you wouldnt dare go for a quick spliff at work. sounds like you need to grow up a bit. take responsibitity for being an adult.how old are you sonny? considering the thread is about drugs in clubs and pubs obviously it is about people getting off their faces.

Do you still not realise what damage you are doing further up the chain? where do you think your money is going? bet the same drug dealers selling soft drugs are trying to get people hooked on hard stuff.

do what you want in your on home but in public places we should have to put up with drugs. Why should pubs and clubs have to accept it as part of teh culture?

dibzzz Posted on 24/9 9:18
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Shock horror! A drug deal in a pub bog! What ever next??????????

steelred Posted on 24/9 9:28
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Drug dealing in a pub last night. This guy needs to give his head a shake. Its boro, not fookin pleasantville.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 24/9 9:28
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Would you like to read my post again Eric.

mickymac Posted on 24/9 10:20
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There are several points to consider here I think.
1.Humans have always sought concious altering substances and they always will,it's part of the brains pleasure centre.

2)Taking one kind of drug doesn't lead to an addiction for most people,just as drinking doesn't lead to alcoholism for most of us.
3)People can't be selective about the laws they follow (boasting about smoking in pubs buying bootleg dvd's/clothes ect.)

4)The war on drugs will never be won,there needs to be some sort of decriminalisation to take away the gangs and turf wars that are going on,prohibition in any area has historically been shown not to work,wether its booze,prostitution or drugs to name three.

5)Why is cocaine or cannabis any worse than alcohol or tobacco,at least two of them are found in a natural state.And who decides what people can and can't have?.

There needs to be a radical rethink in the this country and a brave politician to put them forward.For those who take stimulants,beaware of the cost to yourself and others,and to those who don't,be careful where your moral high ground takes you.
For myself,I don't smoke,seldom drink,and although I have tried "recreational stimulants" although they were pleasant at the time I can take or leave them.I am neither for or against drugs but believe there is no moral right or wrong in the debate.

deganya Posted on 24/9 10:20
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having read all the arguments on this subject, I think those that have got on their high horses should really do some research on drug culture before they spout off their rubbish on a message board.

from the arguments put forward they have only put a case for legalising drugs. The war on drugs was lost years ago. Prohibition doesnt work. Its a fact of life like it or not.

It makes me laugh when people talking about taking a pill and getting off their face and then comparing with having a pint at lunchtime. The fact is alcohol is a drug and when you order your pint you are asking a drug dealer to supply your drug. It might be legal buts it a drug all the same. If people choose to have a different drug of choice thats they business. If alcohol was made illegal and we went back to the days of prohibition how many of you drinkers would then say "oh Im not going to have a pint anymore cos its illegal"? You wouldnt would you? so that makes you a drug user and having to deal with criminals to get your hit.

Step off the moral high ground, and get real.

sasboro Posted on 24/9 10:27
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sounds to me its the druggies who should step down from the high morale ground.

Just think of all those people that have had their lifes messed up directly or indirectly by drug dealers. They are scum of the earth.

riverboat_captain Posted on 24/9 10:27
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Eric, why do you assume that whenever anybody takes drugs they want to get 'off their faces'?

"considering the thread is about drugs in clubs and pubs obviously it is about people getting off their faces."

Surely you could say the same thing about people drinking alcohol in pubs.

The fact is that it is the very prohibition of drugs that supports organised crime. Just as alcohol prohibition was directly responsible for the birth of organised crime in the US, the legal status of drugs provides a huge business opportunity for criminals.

The war on drugs cannot be won. We need to accept this before we take the next logical step. Since the Swiss decriminalised Heroin and started to prescribe to addicts, the addiction rate in that country has gone down by 90%. A massive improvement.

jam69 Posted on 24/9 11:12
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i work with people with drug problems,and they nearly always have to turn to crime to fund their needs sadly

Geordinho Posted on 24/9 11:20
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Just out of interest, where are they supposed to deal drugs???

deganya Posted on 24/9 13:37
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well said Riverboat Captain, couldnt have put it better myself. I didnt know the stats about Switzerland but I do know that where they have been schemes to give addicts their drug it has had a significant and remarkable affect on crime.

Azedarac Posted on 24/9 13:47
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This thread makes Middlesbrough sound like something out of Shameless. Is turning a blind eye to dealing in pubs really as commonplace as suggested?

riverboat_captain Posted on 24/9 14:44
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It's pointless turning a dealer in. You will never defeat them. Beating the drug problem is in the hands of the politicians. they know the answer but are too shitty to grasp the nettle.

Mattyk50 Posted on 24/9 14:59
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this has turned into a real "draw a line in the sand" thread.

and i know which side my conscience is happy sitting on!

riverboat_captain Posted on 24/9 15:08
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Matty: "next to nothing is still better than nothing last time i checked"

True, unless your actions make matters worse.

Nedkat Posted on 24/9 15:09
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Yes, and so do I. Drug taking does not make you look coooool, it does not make you one of the gang, it does not make you sociably leap up in everybody's eyes. It aint big and it aint smart !! The consequences are horrifying, and I wouldn't like to witness the effects on the person doing drugs, and the effect on his/her family and friends. People stealing off their own parents just so they can attedn to their selfish and greedy little habit, it's piss easy to say "yes" .. it's those who say "NO" .. they're the ones I look up to !!!

Reading1967 Posted on 24/9 15:11
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mickymac

best post of the thread

riverboat_captain Posted on 24/9 15:12
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Is that all drugs then Nedcat? All under one umbrella? Or is it ok for people to come on here boasting about how much they can drink or have drunk?

TMG501 Posted on 24/9 15:14
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Archie- 99% of Drugs users would not need to out steeling to fund their habit, 99% are recreational users.

Are these official figures or have you just made them up.
I'm with Boro_Gadgie on this one.
Lets just hope that the ones on this board who condone drug dealing in pubs will think again when, after they have finally grown up and have a family, it's not one of their kids skulking in a pub toilet for a fix

riverboat_captain Posted on 24/9 15:19
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I don't think anybody actually condones drug dealing in pubs, it is the lack of a reasonable alternative that is the problem.

deganya Posted on 24/9 15:28
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I think alot of people on here are equating drug taking with sitting in a gutter high on smack or crack. for most recreational drug users that isnt the case at all. how do you compare someone who goes out has ten pints, gets agresssive, fights anyone within distance, and ends up at AandE, with someone who pops a pill and dances all night.

As Riverboat Captain says the solution is in the hands of the politicians. And until they come up with workable legislation the problem will remain, and the whole drug scene will be controlled by criminals.

Those that like a drink and then have a go at someone who smokes a joint or pops a pill on a saturday night are just hypocrites.

Azedarac Posted on 24/9 15:36
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I think the point is until prohibition is ended (something I'm in favour of), if you take illegal drugs you are getting involved with and funding criminals. I like a pint of Guinness, but if the only place to get it was from a violent criminal I'd pack it in. And probably complain very loudly.

deganya Posted on 24/9 15:43
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You would only be getting your illegal alcohol from a criminal indirectly.
if prohibition existed with regard to drink most people would go to the underground speakeasy type places that would no doubt flourish like they did in usa.

Azedarac Posted on 24/9 15:49
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I'd be getting it directly from a criminal, as the sale would be a crime.

Even seemingly mild mannered dealers have to hold their own when dealing with other dealers muscling in on their patch, and when dealing with their suppliers. Otherwise they'd be out of business or constantly ripped off. And are there any "ethical" dealers out there, who ask for proof of age cards or make sure you didn't get your money by theft?

As I agreed, an end prohibition is the sensible way forward.

riverboat_captain Posted on 24/9 15:57
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During the period of prohibition in the US, people didn't give up booze but turned to bathtub gin, which rendered them parylised, blind or dead because illegal consumables have no quality control.
This mirrors exactly, the situation with illegal heroin. Pure heroin in reasonable ammounts, causes negligible damage either physically or mentally.

Azedarac Posted on 24/9 16:00
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Wasn't the Chief Medical Adviser to the Thatcher Government hooked on heroin for the entire time he was providing advice on drugs? He was able to lead a relatively normal life because his supply was pure, and he had no problems obtaining it.

peace_donkey Posted on 24/9 16:29
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drugs saved my life

jam_the_parmo Posted on 24/9 16:30
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They were figures I made up but the official figure is prob closer to 99.999999999999%

Azedarac Posted on 24/9 16:35
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People usually drag up the "fact" that none of the best music of the past 30 years could have been made without the influence of drugs. This is poor logic. Lots of the people who made great music took drugs, it doesn't mean that the drugs caused the music. They're both symptoms of a creative personality. You might as well say the best music of the past 30 years couldn't have happened without cigarettes.

Snoop_Smog Posted on 24/9 16:35
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From the Late Great Bill Hicks:

"No, I don't do drugs anymore, either. But I'll tell you something about drugs. I used to do drugs, but I'll tell you something honestly about drugs, honestly, and I know it's not a very popular idea, you don't hear it very often anymore, but it is the truth: I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife or kids, laughed my ass off, and went about my day"

Genius

Mattyk50 Posted on 24/9 17:12
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the majority of people dont actually hurt anyone when they drink drive... does that make that ok too??

peace_donkey Posted on 24/9 17:28
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what a strange analogy? what does injuring people when drink driving have to do with enjoying the taking of drugs?

gaz_of_boro Posted on 24/9 17:34
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jam_the_parmo
They were figures I made up but the official figure is prob closer to 99.999999999999%
try looking round the estate's
then come back with a more reasonable figure,because all i see is druggies.

Mattyk50 Posted on 24/9 17:35
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clearly lost on the peasants of the board

Reading1967 Posted on 24/9 17:42
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I wonder if Gordon Brown, David Cameron Bill clinton and half the bloody cabinet did a drug deal in pub toilets in their uni days

hasnt seem to have done any harm

Matty you have made your veiws clear differant generation today from your time in the early 70`s

Mattyk50 Posted on 24/9 17:47
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my time in the early 70s?

blimey, i must have missed that, what with me being born in 1983...

Reading1967 Posted on 24/9 17:49
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sorry Matty thought you mentioned on another thread you were 50!!

OPEO Posted on 24/9 17:51
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This place is junkie central.

sasboro Posted on 24/9 17:56
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sounds like there is not much else to do in boro apart from get high on drugs

riverboat_captain Posted on 24/9 18:01
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Not junkies, just enlightened people with possible solutions that nobody has yet managed to refute.

OPEO Posted on 24/9 18:18
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I reckon if you need a drug to get "enlightened" you are indeed a junkie.

riverboat_captain Posted on 24/9 18:47
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You don't drink then?

I don't mean enlightened through drugs but with more creative sugestions to curbing the problem. Since 1971, when the misuse of drugs act came in, the situation in this country has grown alarmingly worse year on year, yet if you ask what the solution is, most people prescribe 'more of the same.'

Despite the obvious progress by some of our European neighbours, we continue with the doomed American model.

OPEO Posted on 24/9 18:52
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Yes I drink. About one pint a fortnight. Gave up cos I couldn't see any point in losing my senses.

HOGG1234 Posted on 24/9 18:54
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It would be easier if you found a town centre pub that doesn't have coke going on in the toilet and then tell the police.I bet they wouldn't believe that one!
It would also save a bit of time if they ever had the manpower to crack down on it!
A sign of the times!

jam_the_parmo Posted on 24/9 19:11
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jam_the_parmo
They were figures I made up but the official figure is prob closer to 99.999999999999%
try looking round the estate's
then come back with a more reasonable figure,because all i see is druggies.



It is a reasonable figure, many many people use all kinds of different forms of drugs, some of you on here only think there's Heroine and that anyone who likes to enjoy themselfs is going to end up hooked and catching Aids, like I said before very short sighted. Why people have to resort to calling people junkies and saying things like "there must be nothing to do any Boro but take drugs" yet it's fine for them to go out and get as pissed as a rat 3 times a week?-ok then. I myself don't take drugs but I know people who do, some of the nicest and most intelligent people you're likely to meet but you lot with your naive attitudes see them as scum because you're very narrow minded.

Anyway back to the point, so there's alot of Smackheads on the estates? I agree and it's shocking isn't it but if you go on Working mans clubs all over the country you'll find Alckys doesn't mean the most drinkers are addicted to it, you just notice the ones with the problem more.

10hickton Posted on 24/9 21:45
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Drug dealers !.............shoot the filth !! You soft fookers wouldnt think it so trivial if one of your family died through the actions of these scumbags.

radiogaga Posted on 24/9 21:48
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"some of you on here only think there's Heroine "

Always thought there was something dodgy about Florence Nightinegale and that Mother Teresa.

Snoop_Smog Posted on 25/9 10:37
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10hickton I don't know your circumstances but if there wasn't a demand there wouldn't be anyone supplying. The person most at fault for getting their lives ruined by drugs are the users. No-one gets addicted by accident.

Heroin for example is a poison, after using the first time the body tries to reject it by sweating profusely and being violently sick. Only after repeated use does the body become used to it, then eventually dependent on it.

Less of the "soft" comments aswell, insulting people does not help you get your point across.

Mattyk50 Posted on 25/9 11:03
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so the drug dealers are the innocent ones? just doing their best to meet demand...

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 25/9 11:07
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Well said Matty. Snoop, if you are trying to legitimise what drug dealers do, then that is one of the most stupid comments on this thread.

Pinkers Posted on 25/9 14:20
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I can't believe the amount of sh 1te posted on this thread. As Boro Gadgie, Mattyk50 and a couple of others have rightly pointed out: If you buy illegal drugs you are directly responsible for funding the kind of filth that perpetrate the kind of crime/crime industries you would be up in arms about if they impacted on you or your loved ones.

Arguments like 'alcohol is the same' and 'prohibition has to end' are irrelevant, whether there are parallels to be drawn or not. The fact is whether you like it or not, the current legal system is what it is, and if you choose to go outside it you fund these things, and you are party to every trafficked child they sell into misery. I hope you're all proud of yourselves. You really should be. I sincerely hope one day you all manage to grow up.

Well done Boro Gadgie and those with the humanity to back him up. It's a shame there aren't more of you in this (drug/crime spoiled) town.

wokingmassive Posted on 25/9 14:48
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If it was me I think I would have just minded my own - you didn't know for definite what they were doing - it could have been something quite innocent.

juninho9999 Posted on 25/9 14:52
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"Heroin for example is a poison, after using the first time the body tries to reject it by sweating profusely and being violently sick. ""

Funny but the above comment could easily describe how I've felt after a skin full of alcohol.

P.S. I dont condone heroin use, I think its a dangerous route for anyone to take, I've seen it with my own eyes.

However some drugs are worse than others, and to group pot smokers or the weekend pill poppers in the same category as smackheads is just plain daft.

Also if you ask most drug users whats the first drug they ever tried then the answer is alcohol...................

Does this mean alcohol is a gateway drug.

Reading1967 Posted on 25/9 14:56
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Good for you pinkers

down with Gordon Brown , David cameron, bill clinton high court judges, senior policemen Gazza, Merson and all the other footballers
solicitors , businessmen

And lets not forget the skinny crazed smackhead who mugs Grannies for drug money who sterotypes the lot of them

sasboro Posted on 25/9 15:04
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With all the problems with binge drinking and the drive to get people to cut down on smoking i can only see any legalisation of drugs creating even more problems. Unfortunately too many people just cant look after themselves.

Doesnt make sense to legalise it when they are trying to get people to drink and smoke less.

Pinkers Posted on 25/9 15:22
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What's your point Reading1967? I couldn't give a sh it how rich/powerful/famous they are. It's irrelevant.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 25/9 15:26
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Pinkers- What you're doing there is generalising all drugs users. If you want to look at it from that view point. Anytime someone hires someone to do a govie job, buys fake after shave, fake designer clothes, has a stoppy back,ALL these people are funding criminals, why single out drug users?

It's easy to point the finger and it's what you've been told whilst you've grown up but usually the people who feel so strongly against drugs are people who know very little about them other than smack heads which again is putting all drugs users in the same bracket which isn't right at all. If Alcohol became illegal tomorrow you wouldn't put someone who has one pint a week in the same bracket as Pete Doherty now would you?

Reading1967 Posted on 25/9 15:29
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What Jam said

riverboat_captain Posted on 25/9 15:35
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Pinkers, the whole point is that if heroin were prescribed to addicts, they would no longer be funding criminal gangs. Can't you see that? Also, drug pushers are preditory, doctors are not.

jam69 Posted on 25/9 15:42
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iam strongly againist drugs,and i work with drug addicts,so i would like to think i know a fair bit about drugs.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 25/9 16:02
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

Jam- I'm sure you have a very hard job and working with addicts must be more heart breaking then I could imagine. However again it seems that you are putting drugs users in the same catagory, when that's simply not the case. Someone who enjoys smoking canabis to un-wind or someone who takes pills at the weekend to go dancing is not the same as injecting smack in a public Toilet.

Heroin and crack are poisens that ruin not just the users life but those around them as well, I agree but someone who uses drugs for their enjoyment like others do with Alcohol isn't the same thing. There is a big difference between drugs use and drug abuse.

Pinkers Posted on 25/9 16:03
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

jam the parmo - Yes, I am generalising drug users. Drugs fund the activities listed earlier in the thread, and to claim they don't is simply wrong. Why single out drug users? Because this thread is a debate on drug use. If anyone starts a thread on buying knocked off perfume, perhaps I'll comment on that too.

'If alcohol became illegal tomorrow etc' Well, if it did, then no doubt buying it would also fund this kind of stuff. But it's not illegal. And it doesn't. I'm afraid that's a non-argument.

riverboat captain - Suggest you read my post again mate, it ventures no opinion on prescribing heroin to addicts. For the record I believe this may well have some positive effect.

riverboat_captain Posted on 25/9 16:05
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

Sorry Pinkers, I misread the intent of your last post.

jam69 Posted on 25/9 16:05
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

yes jtp,but drug use leads to drug abuse most of the time.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 25/9 16:11
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

Pinkers- Would you though? I seriously doubt you would. My points concerning Alcohol are very much relivent to this debate as it's all about peoples attitudes to drugs. You'res seems to be because one is a taxable legal drug and the other isn't. What if someone became hooked on a legal drugs (for example the drug Jack Osbourne was hooked which name escapes me) and had to go out steeling to fund their habit or an Alcky that steels from his kids money box?


If you seriously would say the same comments about fake gear and govie jobs funding child porn and human trafficing and telling those who do it then fine. Bow down because you should be Knighted.

Pinkers Posted on 25/9 16:11
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

No worries, there's a lot to read through in here. In fact I need to get back to work lol

Pinkers Posted on 25/9 16:30
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

jam the parmo - I'd like to think I would, but you are probably right...I probably wouldn't. However, I'm not sure it's a fair comparison. If alcohol had been illegal (like drugs) for my entire life, I may well not be a regular user of it, and thus would care very little about a lack of legal availability. As it is, I enjoy a drink as much as the next man and have done, legally, for many years. To suddenly take that away is not the same scenario you are suggesting with drugs if you see what I mean.

I'm not sure what you're saying with your examples of legal drug/alcohol addiction. Do I condone crime committed by these people? No of course not.

Personally I don't believe we should blindly follow laws and do as we're told just because we're told it. I'm all for free thinking and making a noise when things could be changed for the better, but in making our decisions we all have to decide what we find morally acceptable. The use of some forms of drugs has been illegal for a long, long time, and when people choose to use them, they choose to fund trafficking etc, because the two are intrinsically linked. That's not something I can buy into, and I wouldn't consciously buy/support anything that does so.

--- Post edited by Pinkers on 25/9 16:31 ---

jam_the_parmo Posted on 25/9 16:44
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

I can see your point on that matter but not all drugs come from Columbian drug lords, inspite of what the media says.

Azedarac Posted on 25/9 16:45
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

True, some drugs come from Taliban warlords instead.

jam_the_parmo Posted on 25/9 16:49
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

Lol Indeed they do but also come from average Joes who grow/make there own. Magic Mushrooms for example grow wildly in Newmarske, Lingdale and Guisborough.

sasboro Posted on 25/9 16:51
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

"Magic Mushrooms for example grow wildly in Newmarske, Lingdale and Guisborough"

that explains a lot

jam_the_parmo Posted on 25/9 16:54
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

I'm sure there's a witty hilarious comment in there Sasboro? I think you're better off slagging Boro off as comedy doesn't seem to be your thing.

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 25/9 16:56
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

well I thought it was funny.

sasboro Posted on 25/9 16:57
re: Drug dealing in town centre pub last nigh

jam_the_parmo, it wasnt meant to be witty it was meant to be a valid comment