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MARLONBRANDO Posted on 11/10 11:51
All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal

supporters considering that you have been in the PL for a few years now. The media think it as well.
Why the complete lack of loyalty and rows and rows of empty seats in the PL?

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Winston_Spangler Posted on 11/10 11:53
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Most people are stupid though and don't understand that our attendances are up with the best in the country for the size of the place.

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 11:54
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This may come as a suprise to you but honestly we don't give a fk what any one thinks about us, we found out who our friends were in 1986, so personally we now think fk ya, we are Middlesbrough FC.

Unlike others in the region we honestly don't care if we are liked or not.

Skunk_Buster Posted on 11/10 11:54
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Winston do you work for Gordon Brown FFS!

Winston_Spangler Posted on 11/10 11:55
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No. I'm the Boro Idol.

Turner_86 Posted on 11/10 11:57
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I couldn't give a toss anymore. I'm there at every home game, I'm as loyal as I can be, I can't make other people do it.

Skunk_Buster Posted on 11/10 11:57
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Its spelt Idiot not Idol you cockjockey

Boromart Posted on 11/10 11:57
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Well considering we are a small town and have around the 15th best attendfance in the prem then I would say the media and those that take notice of it are complete tools.

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 11:59
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Exactly Turner like you i have an ST i go to every home and a few away games a month as well I can't go twice, it's their loss.

Skunk_Buster Posted on 11/10 12:00
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If you have an STI you need to get it seen to Camsell

Winston_Spangler Posted on 11/10 12:01
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Good one. The Boro Idiot recognises the fact that Middlesbrough is a smallish town with another two league clubs on it's doorstep. Hartlepool and Darlington. We therefore don't take many supporters from anywhere North of Billingham or West of Eaglescliffe. Compare our attendences is to other small towns like Blackburn and Bolton.

skiprat Posted on 11/10 12:08
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Not sure if least loyal is correct but even though we do have good crowds for our town size we have had many thousands drop off from the average 5 years ago.

But then we've never lost 20k fans like Sunderland did last season and suddenly regained this season.

johns_ar Posted on 11/10 12:14
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lets not forget sunderland give away a load of tickets for every game where they know they wont sell out

MFC_2004 Posted on 11/10 12:17
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Am i right in thinking that the person who started this thread is a mackem?

Does he not remember 12 months ago when was over 20000 empties at their game? What a total moron.

safcmick Posted on 11/10 12:29
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Not this old chestnut again. Boro are a poorly supported club end of.

Our average attendance is well up on last season but even last season we were attracting bigger gates than Boro. As for the free tickets, this is a myth. For selected games we offer cheap tickets for school kids and even though these tickets end up being used by adults, fact is these people are not forced to attend. They choose to.

Daft argument really.

Boromart Posted on 11/10 12:32
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"Our average attendance is well up on last season but even last season we were attracting bigger gates than Boro. " -- well it would be cause you were carp at the beginning of the season and had over 20,000 empty seats for some league games. If you play carp your fans abandon you in droves. Our fall off levels when we play poor are absolutely no where near yours. Mackems fickle, ugly and stupid.

Paulinho Posted on 11/10 12:32
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Isn't it sort of ironic that other supporters are so concerned about our perceived ambivalence.

It's a bit like a muslim being concerned about a catholic church's empty pews.

Weird. And weird again.

ovy1 Posted on 11/10 12:37
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A good way of putting it Paulinho. Why are they so bothered? When I see the empty seats at Wigan or Bolton, I dont automatically go to their sites and start posting drivel. Atteandances dont win you anything, its what happens on the park is all that should interest football supporters.

shmarry Posted on 11/10 12:37
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SAFCmick -

Daft argument that you felt was worth sharing your opinion on.

Daft commenting really. End of.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 11/10 12:38
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As Alan Hansen always says. "Get your medals out." Or in our case, get the Carling Cup replica out. We've won something and been in a UEFA Cup Final. What have you done?

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 12:39
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What the mackems fail to mention is that they are also Durham county's club as well so all those Pit vilages durham city it self and anything north of hartlepool, which is a vast catchment area.

still shoite though despite wasting all that irish mafia money

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 12:42
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cheap tickets for school kids and even though these tickets end up being used by adults?

how does that happen then

Boromart Posted on 11/10 12:44
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good point about medals. I heave never had a discussion with a fan of a big club about attendances. They have mentioned the trophies they have won, but never attendances....because it really isn't important, if that is what you want ot shout about then it is a totally hollow victory.

On the medal front --> Mark Schwarzer has won more medals as a Boro player than ANY player has won for Sunderland throughout there history.

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 12:45
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Exactly BM another thing name me another big club anywhere in the world that have failed to win anything league or domestic trophy for 50 years? just one.

safcmick Posted on 11/10 12:45
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"What have you done?"

Are you being serious?

Link: Now compare.....

ovy1 Posted on 11/10 12:47
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Did you personally see any of your major trophies being won?

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 12:47
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sorry had to blow the dust of the screen did that really say 1892? lol you must be so proud

ovy1 Posted on 11/10 12:49
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Even his great grandad wouldnt have been around to see that one!

Otley_Boro Posted on 11/10 12:49
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"Boro are a poorly supported club end of."

AS Wearside has twice the population of Teesside would you like me to do the maths on who is best supported.

"SAFC have filled 20,000 empty seats in less than 1 year" - FACT

Ding_Dang_Boro Posted on 11/10 12:52
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I dont know why people get so annoyed when people mention our attendances, i personally dont care. I go because i enjoy it and i want to go, not to think about making up numbers to stop people trying get a bite out of us for our attendance.

safcmick Posted on 11/10 12:54
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"Did you personally see any of your major trophies being won?"

Yes son, FA Cup 1973 as an eleven year old.

Have you ever won the Fa Cup, or a top flight title.....?

LOL now come on chaps. Even you lot must realize you've won nowt of any significance....

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Otley_Boro Posted on 11/10 12:56
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So given your "historical" success you think SAFC would be able to pull in a bigger percentage of the population than Boro?

johns_ar Posted on 11/10 12:58
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safc mick i work in south tyneside for a place that has lots to do with local schools in the borough, loads in sunderland. i know for an absolute fact that the tickets are offered to schools in blocks for free if its a low category/grade game. the tickets dont end up with adults ive seen it on the telly wheres theres massive sections of kids.

ovy1 Posted on 11/10 12:58
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Thats one each then mate. Winning a cup that gets you in to Europe is classed as a major throphy. You cant really boast about the titles won pre 1900. So lol to you.

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safcmick Posted on 11/10 13:05
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johns marra - you need to check your absolute fact.

Now tell the truth folks, you would love to have our roll of honour and our attendances.

Anyway, been fun. Nothing against you lot really.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 13:10
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"that Middlesbrough is a smallish town with another two league clubs on it's doorstep. Hartlepool and Darlington. Compare our attendences is to other small towns like Blackburn and Bolton."

Winston - not really a fair comparison that is it?

johns_ar Posted on 11/10 13:15
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i dont need to check it all mick. the place i work doesnt have any hospitality or any crap like that at sunderland but i could get a ticket for every game just about if i wanted one.

dan87 Posted on 11/10 13:34
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we're the best supported town in the country, its ridiculous how the media always choose to pick on boro for attendances wen we infact have one of the best attendances to catchment area ratios in the country.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 13:37
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Thought that was Burnley?

And they do it with massive clubs on their doorstep.

ccole Posted on 11/10 13:43
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"Yes son, FA Cup 1973 as an eleven year old"


Your over 40 and you spout shyte about attendances? What year did they let you out of big school?
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"And they do it with massive clubs on their doorstep"

Mick - You cant blame us that we only have Sunlun and Newcastle!

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 13:47
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Not knocking you - I think you get decent crowds. Just think Burnley do really well considering where they are.

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Capybara Posted on 11/10 13:48
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Sorry chaps, but you make yourself look a bit silly when the conversation goes:

You: Your club doesn't have any history.

Them: Yes it does we won x, y and z.

You: Yes but how many of those have you seen them win?

Daft.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 11/10 13:48
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Yeah, Burnley......

dan87 Posted on 11/10 13:49
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yea burnley are top, but we are right up there. we get larger attendances than a lot of city teams historically, and are still the best supported town team in the country though.

grantus Posted on 11/10 13:54
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Funny really, The Miliienium Stadium looked full to the rafters when we won the Carling Cup, the Phillips Stadium in Eindhoven was rather busy too.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 11/10 13:56
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1973 is an awful long time ago. Wasn't having a go at Bolton Mick, just saying that you're a town as well but no-one seems to mention your attendences all the time. Probably because you've got big clubs around you that have some trophies to brag about.

skiprat Posted on 11/10 14:00
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The reason Bolton don't ever get any grief about their attendances from local fans is because they aren't surrounded by no mark clubs like Newcastle and Sunderland, who's only hope of ever getting one up on anyone else always has to relate to attendances because their clubs performances on the pitch are so sh te.

Capybara Posted on 11/10 14:00
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Yeah Burnley. Another team that has won more than we have.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 11/10 14:00
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We were top of the crowd ratio table for sometime, particularly in the late 90s and just after. I think Ipswich took it off us in their UEFA Cup season. Didn't know it was Burnley now. People forget that we had our most exciting period just after Euro 96 so naturally we had a massive boom in crowds from 18,000 to 30,000 and then almost 35,000 in a very small time. The crowds are just going back to somewhere near the norm.

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mickbrown Posted on 11/10 14:04
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Winston - I know you weren't havoing a pop. You're right though - you have Darlo and Hartlepool on your doorstep, we have City, United, Blackburn and Wigan bordering us.

Boromart Posted on 11/10 14:37
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It's worth noting that the fledgling 'professional'* football league prior to 1900 was not that much differant in standards to the various other leagues around at the time.

The Northern League for instance which Sunderland abdicated to join the football league when they turned professional as one of the oldest leagues was of a similar standard. For proof of this look the 1889 and 1900 finals the winners and runners-up were not football league clubs.

* - by professional I mean the players were paid, however they were not full time professionals because it paid poorly, most if not all players at the time had second jobs.

sasboro Posted on 11/10 14:42
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mickbrown, you forgot to add in everton and liverpool who are probably as close to bolton and boro is to sunderland and newcastle give or take a couple of miles

Boromart Posted on 11/10 14:46
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mickbrown, Burnley are a well supported town team, and considering it is only half the size of Boro they should be applauded.

Anyway here is a newcastle fan website that proves that throughout the whole history of the football league we are the best supported town team, and historically the 16th best supported team in the country. Not bad for a small town in yorkshire. Again something that should be applauded.

I would like to see a mackem or a skunk come out with some figures that prove we have an 'embaressing support' -- that is of course the cue for them to mentiond 82-86, but 4 years out of 131 doesn't make it poor support, and both htose sides have had preportianately worse support at times.

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Link: attendances

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 14:49
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Boromart - aye not bad that. I think in terms of percentage of population Burnley are top are they not?

Your other comment about the early leagues - I can only think of Spurs and Southampton from the southern leagues. A bit akin to Millwall getting to the final the other year rather than being of a similar standard surely.

Nedkat Posted on 11/10 14:52
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safcmick,,,

You forgot to add the record for the least points total gained in the EPL .

Juno_Legend Posted on 11/10 14:55
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Little bit of maths...

Population of Middlesbrough: 142,691
Average Attendance 2006-2007: 27,730

Population Divided By Attendance... 5.1, every 5th Person in Boro goes to the games.

Population of Newcastle: 259,536
Average attendance: 33,133

Population / Attendance... 7.8, Only every 8th Person in Newcastle goes to their games.

Who has the most loyal supporters?

We're a small town but we love our club.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 14:57
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ned - Sunlun were a leaghue club by then weren't they?

Grrreds Posted on 11/10 14:58
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More evidence of their 'absolute not-botheredness' on show in this thread.

we really get under their skins, and for that I'm quite pleased.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 14:58
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Bollox - ned - ignore that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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sasboro Posted on 11/10 14:58
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juno_legend,

those stats are misleading as a lot of people from stockton go to games. dont think bolton has a neihgbouring town the size of stockton

Juno_Legend Posted on 11/10 15:03
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Manchester, Blackburn and Wigan?

Juno_Legend Posted on 11/10 15:05
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Besides, we get better average attendances than Bolton anyways.

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Boromart Posted on 11/10 15:07
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Bolton and Burnley both have good support for the competition in that area. The thing is every team has unique issues, so it's difficult to compare these points, and yes Stockton is an influence. What I think we can safely say is this 'boro fans aren't loyal' or 'are embaressing' or 'carp support' is all absolute nonsense. We may not be the best, but we are closer to the best than we are to the worst.

Mick:
I agree about the millwall comparison Mick, what I'm trying to say is that they can brag on about winning the title pre-1900 but really it was such a differant footballing environment that it isn't comparable to todays world. The amatuer game was still a force, with amatuer teams reaching cup finals, that surely waters down winning the 'league' at that time -- as only a small number of teams were allowed in the professional league, and expansionism was initial blocked both from inside the football league and outside (anti-professionalism brigade).

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banPigbag Posted on 11/10 15:10
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"Juno_Legend Posted on 11/10 14:55 Email this Message | Edit | Reply
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Little bit of maths...

Population of Middlesbrough: 142,691
Average Attendance 2006-2007: 27,730

Population Divided By Attendance... 5.1, every 5th Person in Boro goes to the games.

Population of Newcastle: 259,536
Average attendance: 33,133

Population / Attendance... 7.8, Only every 8th Person in Newcastle goes to their games.

Who has the most loyal supporters?

We're a small town but we love our club.
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Don't go throwing mathematics and statistics into an argument about attendances, the skunks and mackems don't like stuff like that. It makes their heads hurt and totally fooks up their argument.

And lets face it, they both need something to whine about to take away the focus on the real issue.... the pathetic under-acheivements of their "massive" clubs.

njtraf Posted on 11/10 15:11
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SAFCMick - you are a complete tool

"Have you ever won the FA Cup or a top-flight title.."

Yes, we won the Carling Cup, arshole! Which is now the one that all the clubs are trying hardest to win in England as you get more revenue and a spot in Europe. If you win the FA Cup all you get is trounced by Man Utd or Chelski in the Charity Shield. So it is you ugly pit-monkeys who haven't won a major title.

And while were on the subject of attendances considering your lot happen to be going down the Skunks usual route of "We have more fans therefore we are better" Despite finishing below us last year. You smelly tosspots in Sunderland and its surrounding area's IE Durham etc have a higher population in those area's(Approx 2x more according to 2005 national statistics) and the Skunks have just over 3x more. Common sense approach here ladies in the fact that you are statistically more likely to have more fans than us based on that fact alone!

Also add the fact that both the Skunks and the Pit-Monkeys are advertising whores who sell their shirts absolutely anywhere then you are more likely to get fans from a wider area because more people see your kit plastered around sports shops

Now p1ss off back down the pit and choke on a chode

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 15:14
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One factor in this whole media spin is how our crowds seem to be fair game yet when blackburn covered their endless empty gaps with huge banners and nothing is said.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 15:14
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"Carling cup - Which is now the one that all the clubs are trying hardest to win"

Seriously, that is bollox.

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 15:19
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No mick what he means is that with the prem and the FA cup now a straight fight between the so called top 4 the ONLY cup left open realistically for the rest of us to win is the Carling cup.

It is taht bad now taht even just making the FA final is pretty much automatic euro place.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 15:22
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That's not what he said - he said Sunderland winning the FA cup means they haven't won a major trophy, which is cobblers, I'm sure you'll agree.

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 15:23
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Must admit he lost me with that bit.

so you all booked up for Munchen then?

banPigbag Posted on 11/10 15:26
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"Carling cup - Which is now the one that all the clubs are trying hardest to win"

Seriously, that is bollox




Is it? Is that why 18 out of 20 premiership clubs fielded possibly their strongest teams in the early rounds of the competition this year?

The exceptions being Arsenal (who use it to blood their reserves) and Man Utd who have traditionally never given a fook about it anyway.

Has as already been mentioned, the League Cup is the ONLY trophy everyone outside Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, and Chelsea can realistically win anymore.

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mickbrown Posted on 11/10 15:26
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Not yet - still trying to convince myself shelling out £400 for a football match is worth it. My Scottish ancestry is winning out at the moment.

I'll decide tomorrow.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 15:27
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banPigbag - we made 8 changes.

banPigbag Posted on 11/10 15:29
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"banPigbag - we made 8 changes"

And none were because of injuries to senior players I suppose.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 15:31
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Nope - giving the resevrs a run out.

Worked though we won.

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 15:34
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I think you would be mad to miss that one mick, if only to see the Allianz-Arena, this is as close as you (or indeed us) would get to a CL game as Bayern fkd up last year and so have to make do with UEFA Cup (which i think they will win) and for one of G14's power clubs (Rummingge was/is one of G14 top men) to miss out on the gravy train will not be tollerated next season.

Should be a good game as well as they have some team now with Ribbery (or Bilal as he is now known) Luca toni on of serie a's top marks men to name 2.

Link: Allianz website

Piquet2 Posted on 11/10 15:37
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I passed by the Allianz on my way from the airport during the Summer, very impressive it looks too.

banPigbag Posted on 11/10 15:39
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2 unforced changes from the side that lost to spurs. Jones in for Schwarzer, Riggot in for Woody. Hardly untried reserve players are they.

njtraf Posted on 11/10 15:42
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What I am trying to say is that now the FA Cup is no longer cared about by the smaller clubs as it has little benefits in comparison to the Carling Cup.

Yes there is the Heritage that goes with winning the FA Cup, however the financial benefits are less, MUCH less than winning the Carling Cup! Hence why the small clubs want to win the Carling Cup more than the FA Cup.

Why do you think fooking Platini wants to drop a CL spot from the Prem and put it on the FA Cup?! Jesus do you not read papers or watch the news? Its been a hotly debated issue for months that the so-called Big Clubs dont want it to happen because its harder for them to get there.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 15:42
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Camsell_345 - I know - my heart says aye, but the head and bank balance say no.

Decision day tomorrow.

banPigbag Posted on 11/10 15:45
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What I am trying to say is that now the FA Cup is no longer cared about by the smaller clubs as it has little benefits in comparison to the Carling Cup.

Yes there is the Heritage that goes with winning the FA Cup, however the financial benefits are less, MUCH less than winning the Carling Cup! Hence why the small clubs want to win the Carling Cup more than the FA Cup.




Huh? How is winning the Carling Cup worth more finanically then winning the FA Cup? Has the prize money changed? Got a link?

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 15:49
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Yes mick i know what that is like but when we drew rome away i just knew that that game would be the biggest event we would face, to see the boro at the stadio olimpico is something i will never forget and i think this game will be like that for Bolton as lets face it mate it's now or never make the most of eauropean football while you can.

Capybara Posted on 11/10 15:50
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It's an absolute dream that Munich tie. Wild horses wouldn't have kept me from that one.

And there isn't half some prize nonsense on here. Though forza makes a good point about Blackburn.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 15:52
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njtraf - sorry mate that's bollox.

FA cup - Prize money (£40,000 for third round win rising to £1m final win); TV money (£150,00 to £265,000 per live match).

Carling Cup - £100,000 for clubs in a live televised match.

Both give a place in Europe.

safcmick Posted on 11/10 15:53
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"Have you ever won the FA Cup or a top-flight title.."

Yes, we won the Carling Cup.."

Priceless! Couldn't take the rest of the post seriously after that.

LOL

hughiep Posted on 11/10 16:13
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Dont forget lads Sunderland do have a unique record..so good infact they broke it the second time round aswell..THE LEAST POINTS EVER IN A PREMIER LEAGUE SEASON...suck on that you scruffy mackem fookpig !!!!

banPigbag Posted on 11/10 16:16
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"Now tell the truth folks, you would love to have our roll of honour and our attendances."


I wouldn't swap Boro's 2004 League Cup win, or the UEFA Cup experience for any other clubs roll of honour from the archives.

The reason being is this; I was actually there to witness my home town club win thier first ever cup, I was there watching my home town club come back from the dead twice in two of the most remarkable football matches European football as ever seen, I was there in Eindhoven watching my team play in a major European cup final (even despite the result it was one of the best days of my life).

Those are MY memories of my home town club. I wouldn't swap 30 old league division 1 titles or 30 old FA Cup final wins dating back to the pre-war era - won long before I was ever born - because that means absolutely nothing to me personally. I wasn't there to see it. As far as I'm concerened it would be just like looking at a bit of text written on some old dusty newspaper. There would be no feeling, no emotion, no sense of being there attached to it.

So to answer your question, I personally wouldn't trade Middlesbrough's last 4 years for Sunderland's AND Newcastle United's honours lists combined.

And as for attendances, everyone knows 1 smoggy is worth at least 2 mackems and 3 skunks. So I'm happy with our "so called" poor 25K gates thank you very much


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safcmick Posted on 11/10 16:17
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"Dont forget lads Sunderland do have a unique record..so good infact they broke it the second time round aswell..THE LEAST POINTS EVER IN A PREMIER LEAGUE SEASON...suck on that you scruffy mackem fookpig !!!!"

LOL And I thought the mags were easy to wind up

Calm down hugh. You'll make yorself bad son. LOL

hughiep Posted on 11/10 16:20
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Truth annoying you a little bit is it...?????

safcmick Posted on 11/10 16:30
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And he's still chomping.....

LOL

GillZean Posted on 11/10 16:31
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mick,

Couldn't you just get the OU alumni soc to have a whip round for you?

Don't think you'll be having many more trips like this with FAt Sam at the helm. Might as well make the most of it.

GillZean Posted on 11/10 16:32
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Sorry, I meant Fat Sammy, not Fat Sam.

You traded up, didn't you? Success for principles. Right on, brother.

mickbrown Posted on 11/10 16:39
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Gill- How many times, it's The Oxford University Society. We don't call it an alumni. Dreadfully common.

You're right though, it's now or never.

uptheboro79 Posted on 11/10 16:53
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Getting large attendances doesn't mean you're a big club. In SAFC's and NUFC's case it just emphasises the fact that these clubs are from large cities with only one club.
To be honest safcmick, I'm surprised you posted that link earlier because all that highlights is that you've won fook all for the past few decades.
As for our so called 'poor support' it wasn't that long ago that we sold out the Riverside with season tickets following relegation. Compare that to the mackems reaction to being relegated and which club has the 'poor support' is fairly obvious.

GillZean Posted on 11/10 17:35
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mick,

That would be, to quote the Fugees,"One time".

At least you didn't waste your education, eh?

Tom_Fun Posted on 11/10 18:02
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"What I am trying to say is that now the FA Cup is no longer cared about by the smaller clubs as it has little benefits in comparison to the Carling Cup."

Ask any football fan which trophy they'd rather win and they'd all say the FA Cup.

Mr_Gauss Posted on 11/10 18:04
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Bah, every time i see this thread title I wince. I'm a PL Fan and I don't think that Boro are the least loyal. Therefore "All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal" is disproven by counter example.

Thank you.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 11/10 18:06
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MARLONBRANDO is also a Mackem btw

Link: Mackem

GillZean Posted on 11/10 18:18
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I had to stifle a laugh when they were singing about the 'loyalest suporters the world has ever had' or whatever the Mackem version of that dirge is.

I was going to start a "Where were you when you were shyte?", but they still are. Funny that they lose half their crowd when they go down and still think they are loyal. Bless.

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 18:22
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal

League Cup Winners

Boro
Luton
Oxford
Swindon

I wouldnt mind Sunderland winning it , but it would be no 1973 like.In fact Millwall probably made more headlines not winning the 2004 FA Cup than Boro did winning the League Cup.
But, fair play to you,like I say I'd be happy winning it, but I'd be happier winning the FA Cup or finishing top 3.

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 18:27
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"I was going to start a "Where were you when you were shyte?", but they still are. Funny that they lose half their crowd when they go down and still think they are loyal. Bless."

So half of 34000 is 31000.

Heres one for you Gill

Boro v Bolton 1994 6000
Boro v Chelsea 1995 29000

We could play the fickle fans game all day.

njtraf Posted on 11/10 18:29
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It was my impression that the FA Cup never gave a European slot. 4 CL places go to top 4 in Prem, 5th and 6th PL place give UEFA Cup Qualification, Winning the League Cup in one of its varying formats gives a 3rd UEFA Qualification place and then "best of the rest" who apply for it in the PL get the Inter-toto Cup or Euro Vase or whatever daft name they are giving it now as a route into the UEFA cup qualifying rounds.

Which makes up Englands 8 UEFA Coefficients

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 18:36
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal

top 4 champions league
FA cup , 5th and League Cup Uefa
FA Cup finalists can get the UEFA spot if the winners have already qualified.
League Cup finalists (losers) cant as its not worthy

ccole Posted on 11/10 18:36
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I cant think of any other club, who's crowds dropped by so many in such a short space of time as Sunluns did.


Its not as if they had other things to do. They cant have went to the cinema, as Sunlun doesn’t have one. Perhaps they all went to see the planes that take off from Teesside and Newcastle airport for the Sunlun "air show", or visited the old lights that Blackpool council thought were outdated before selling them on?

GillZean Posted on 11/10 18:37
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No, Joe, half of 48,000 is more than "when 22 267 braved the conditions and looked on as Sunderland steamrollered Rotherham United."

Don't suppose the 30,000 at Boro would have anything to do with a new stadium, would it, joe?

GillZean Posted on 11/10 18:39
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal

ccole

Didn't I read Sundeland had a moving picture house now? It's all the rage, dontcherknow?

GillZean Posted on 11/10 18:43
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joe,

I think from your list of League Cup winners, you missed Norwich. But I think they got a bye in the final.

Tom_Fun Posted on 11/10 18:45
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"In fact Millwall probably made more headlines not winning the 2004 FA Cup than Boro did winning the League Cup."

I bet they didn't.

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 18:46
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Sunderland went down (2003) with crowds around 39000.The next year we averaged around 28000.
2006 it was 34000 down to 31000
This 48000 happened once if that in 2003.So comparing Sunderland v Man Utd with Sunderland v Rotherham, after what 14 straight defeats, is even harsher than me comparing
Boro v Newcastle 34000
Boro v Northampton 3000
So I wont.

We could go on all night

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 18:48
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"I think from your list of League Cup winners, you missed Norwich. But I think they got a bye in the final."

And Leicster, how could I forget Leicester

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 18:49
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Boro v Northampton 3000

look at the date that game was played on though?

Block_15 Posted on 11/10 18:49
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i go to every match, and have been for the last 15 years . i no were only a small town, but 11 years ago it was full every game

boropatch Posted on 11/10 18:50
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The problem with undying loyalty is it just gives clubs a mandate to take the piss.

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 18:54
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"In fact Millwall probably made more headlines not winning the 2004 FA Cup than Boro did winning the League Cup."

I bet they didn't."

They did cos' the knocked out the mighty Sunderland

"Boro v Northampton 3000

look at the date that game was played on though?"

So you get a rubbish crowd when you think a plane might hit, but you get a record crowd straight after the Tsunami ? Whats going on there like, I thought the tidal wave risk would be higher ?

GillZean Posted on 11/10 18:55
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal

Boro don't have Sunlun's enlightened ticket policy as well, joe, ie give them to every schoolkid between here (here being rural North Yorkshire) and Berwick.

joe, I mentioned Norwich, as they were due to play Sunlun in the final, so you must have been fairly bothered. But the League Cup is rubbish, isn't it, eh? Is that because you haven't ever won it?

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 18:56
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal

the game was played on 11/9 ( for ned and philly 9/11) i think people had other things on their mind than going to the match.

GillZean Posted on 11/10 18:57
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If you got headlines for beating Sunlun, joe, we'd need more media organisations to cope with the demand.

Tom_Fun Posted on 11/10 18:59
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Sunderland v Millwall was probably the most low-key FA Cup semi-final ever. And the dullest.

Camsell_345 Posted on 11/10 19:01
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Only sunlun could have a chance to get into europe just for beating Millwall, AND STILL FK IT UP!


well done to Jase and all the lads at the other MFC

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 19:12
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"But the League Cup is rubbish, isn't it, eh? Is that because you haven't ever won it?"

I wouldn't say its rubbish, I'd say its the 3rd most important thing in it's area.Quite apt really.

"Boro don't have Sunlun's enlightened ticket policy as well, joe, ie give them to every schoolkid between here (here being rural North Yorkshire) and Berwick."

If by give you mean sell, and by every you mean selected then I cant disagree with you

"the game was played on 11/9 ( for ned and philly 9/11) i think people had other things on their mind than going to the match."

I can see why they'd avoid getting on a plane, or going up one of Boro's tallest buildings, but I cant see how 9/11 had such an effect on your Loyalistas, and yet 100000 dead in Asia didnt.

"The problem with undying loyalty is it just gives clubs a mandate to take the piss"

Totally conkered.

banPigbag Posted on 11/10 19:35
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""the game was played on 11/9 ( for ned and philly 9/11) i think people had other things on their mind than going to the match."

I can see why they'd avoid getting on a plane, or going up one of Boro's tallest buildings, but I cant see how 9/11 had such an effect on your Loyalistas, and yet 100000 dead in Asia didnt."



You have no clue.

Crawl back under your mackem rock.

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 19:42
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"Crawl back under your mackem rock."




Bingo

IBarwickBoro Posted on 11/10 20:42
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal

Football League Cup - last 5 winners: -
2003: Liverpool
2004: MIDDLESBROUGH
2005: Chelsea
2006: Manchester Utd
2007: Chelsea

In decent company there like. Now there is I believe a yo yo joke club just up the road from Teesside whose fans would just love to witness the lifting of this fine trophy. This MASSIVE club have won one pot since world war 2 and that pot was god knows how many years ago. You do hold in recent years, however, that fine Premier League record of achieving the record lowest number of points, and twice at that. Do yourselves a favour SMB'S - stop making bellends of yourselves on here!

Boromart Posted on 11/10 21:15
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joebolton you can't come on here telling us not to play the attendance game when all we are doing is trying to prove OTHER fans wrong. We have the right to put our case forward. Both sunderland and Newcastle have in the last 20 years had periods where teh majority of the fans abandoned them. The Mackems averaged just over 8,500 in the 86 relegation season, your best player was a has been Boro player - Mark Proctor. If you averaged 8,500 then there must have been some VERY, VERY low figures in there.

...and don't get me started on the jawdees before Keegan arrived, little old Boro were getting bigger crowds at the time.

Boromart Posted on 11/10 21:26
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joe, use your head -

"I can see why they'd avoid getting on a plane, or going up one of Boro's tallest buildings, but I cant see how 9/11 had such an effect on your Loyalistas"
Cup game, early round, people buy tickets on the door. It would have been a small crowd anyway, but it was a work day, everyone in the country knew about it, and knew how serious and momentous it was, but people thought WTF, I'm not interested in football today.

", and yet 100000 dead in Asia didnt." - League game = STs, boxing day is traditionally the highest day for crowds, people don't tend to sit and watch the news on boxing daymorning so many were probably not aware. It wasn't a work day, so the office grapevine wasn't working also.

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joeboltons Posted on 11/10 23:01
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Mart,
I came on when someone was mocking Sunderland's history, making out the FA Cup is a lesser trophy than the League Cup.

It was an open invitation man.

Then we got all the usual "lost all your fans " jibes.I couldnt let that go without having a pop back.Same with Gill and his Free Ticket Mackems.
I think the strength of this forum is we can have a bit crack on, and I promise you, half the things I post are a bit tongue in cheek, (mighty sunderland)
Oh, and you're 8500 figure's wrong as well.Off the top of my head it was 13000, probably in the top 6 crowds for that division that year.

ccole Posted on 11/10 23:07
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13,000? didnt you get the same number in the FA cup v Watford or West Brom about 4 years ago?

How does that compare with our lowest FA Cup gate at the riverside Joe? (I know you will have the figures!)

No FREE TICKETS for FA cup matches is there? Do you think it affected you gate that day?

Table_Football Posted on 11/10 23:16
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"As for the free tickets, this is a myth"


It really isn't. When I was in Year 10 or 11 at school, we got sent a letter home saying that there was 100 free tickets available for a Sunderland game, and if we wanted to go we had to put our name down. If there was more than 100 people wanting them, it would have gone into a lucky dip sort of thing.

And I went to school near Redcar.

jd76 Posted on 11/10 23:19
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Sunderland average attendance in 2001 was 46,791, in 2002 it was 46,744.

2 years later (following relegation in 2003) it was down to 27.120.

20,000 fans dissapeared due to relegation. TWENTY THOUSAND!

Boro have NEVER had 20,000 empty seats for a league match at the Riverside - not once, nowhere near. In fact, when they were releagted in '97 Boro's average attendance actually went up.

So remind me who has the most loyal fans again?

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joeboltons Posted on 11/10 23:26
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And here we go again with Catchment area Cole.

Watford 4 years ago was 27000

How does that compare with our lowest FA Cup gate at the riverside Joe? (I know you will have the figures!)

I'll have a stab at 9000 v Wimbledon

But as we both know CC, Sunderlands catchment area is all the way to Cumbria westward and I'm sure you could make a case to include Norway to the east. I'm surprised you haven't started adding the Republic of Ireland on as well.

Boromart Posted on 11/10 23:33
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but Joe, the reason people were having a go at Sunderland was because a mackem was on here having a go at us....what do ya expect us to do? Say well done, Sunderland are such a big club, thanks for enlightening us.

I apologise about your average being 8,500. that was your worst league gate that season not average. Pretty poor still. What I have found out is that from 81-96, a 15 year period in the the not too distant past the muckems managed to average 20K just once - so I wouldn't shout about attendances if I were you. I can't be bothered to work it out but we must have beaten 20K 4 or 5 times in that spell, and in fact over those 15 years I suspect our total average was bigger....of course we were limited by the size of Ayresome Park so that stopped us getting more fans.

ignoring catchment area is stupid. Should the Isle of Mann United build a 55K seat stadium and then complain about the fickle locals when they don't fill it? I mane there are 70K people there, and it's a catchment are with anatural boarder so no teams can poach the fans.

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joeboltons Posted on 11/10 23:37
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"Boro have NEVER had 20,000 empty seats for a league match at the Riverside - not once, nowhere near. In fact, when they were releagted in '97 Boro's average attendance actually went up"

I could answer this 2 ways.
1) If Sunderland knocked a stand down, so we had less empty seats, would this make our fans more loyal.By the same token, I bet Crewe,Rochdale and Hartlepool have never had 20000 empty seats.
2) football didnt begin when the Riverside was built.I am sure Boro have had crowds 20000 under capacity in the top flight , in fact I think when the ground held 42000, you had sometimes 30000 short of capacity.

Boro's crowd went up because it was a peak time for attendances, only seen before in the period 1946-1951.The ground was too small which meant a near enough season ticket sell out.They had just had 2 Cup finals where only season tickets could get tikets for the finals.A sense of injustice at the 3 point deduction.
But still, fair play, your fans rallied round that year.

jd76 Posted on 11/10 23:38
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Ah catchment areas. The bane of mackems and skunks alike!


I'll keep it simple (2 minutes on google).


Sunderland: 280,807
Wear Valley: 61,339
Easington: 93,993
County Durham: 422,062

Total: 850,000 (not including Gateshead).


Middlesbrough: 134,855
Redcar and Cleveland, North Riding: 139,132
Stockton-on-Tees, Billingham, Yarm: 178,408

Total: 450,000


So thats SAFC having roughly twice the catchment area of MFC. And by a remarkable coincidence SAFC has roughly twice the attenadances as MFC. Who would have thought!

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 23:40
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loya

You missed North Yorkshire.
On second thoughts you'll probably add it on ours.
Everywher else you do

jd76 Posted on 11/10 23:49
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal

I could answer this 2 ways.
1) If Sunderland knocked a stand down, so we had less empty seats, would this make our fans more loyal.By the same token, I bet Crewe,Rochdale and Hartlepool have never had 20000 empty seats.



Right. So if the Riverside had kept its original capacity of 28/29K instead of expanding it to 35K in 97, this argument about attendances wouldn't even exist since the place would be 90% full every home game. Seeing 10,000 empty seats on TV brings you mackems and skunks out of the woodwork to have a pop. You don't ever mention the 25,000-odd seats that are full. You want to use the argument about stadium sizes when it suits you I see.



2) football didnt begin when the Riverside was built.I am sure Boro have had crowds 20000 under capacity in the top flight , in fact I think when the ground held 42000, you had sometimes 30000 short of capacity.



And that can be said for Sunderland too.

joeboltons Posted on 11/10 23:50
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loyal

"What I have found out is that from 81-96, a 15 year period in the the not too distant past the muckems managed to average 20K just once - so I wouldn't shout about attendances if I were you. I can't be bothered to work it out but we must have beaten 20K 4 or 5 times in that spell, and in fact over those 15 years I suspect our total average was bigger"

Mart
I give us 1981,1982,1991
Boro 1996
So thats 3-1.
And that spell will include a 5k and 6k for Boro so I doubt the average is better, but I could be wrong.

"Sunderland are such a big club, thanks for enlightening us."

If you want my honest opinion, the size of a club is how other teams fans see you.Very difficult for me to say Sunderland is a big club.Is the visit of Sunderland or Boro an attraction to the likes of Villa or Man Citys casual supporter when we visit there ?
I don't think so.

jd76 Posted on 11/10 23:53
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loya

"You missed North Yorkshire"


No I didn't.

Redcar and Cleveland, North Riding: 139,132

North Riding / North Yorkshire. Or do you think places like Loftus, Northallerton, and Bedale are sprawling urban areas bursting at the seams?


I did however miss out Gateshead. So there's another 95,575 you can add on to your catchment area. Well half of them anyway since the others would support your black and white cousins.


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joeboltons Posted on 12/10 0:16
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If we're having all of Durham then you can have all of North Yorkshire.
You can put some of Durham on yours as well.I've seen smoggies in Bishop and Shildon.
In fact I'm going to use the CCole technique of adding bits on and taking them off until I win.

ccole Posted on 12/10 9:29
re: All PL fans think Boro are the least loya

JB - I dont think I have mentioned catchment area's. I dont need too.

I did like your note on "If we knocked down a stand at the SOL we wouldn't have so many empty seats"

Coming from a mackem or a Geordie, that is a fooking classic! You will be telling us next that if Sunluin was five times the size you would get bigger gates than Barcelona!