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susy Posted on 6/11 9:43
Another thing that keeps people away

It doesnt seem to matter where you sit in the ground, there are kids around all over and adults, both men and women coming out with vile language, yelling it in your ear and the kids i'm with being intimidated. It makes me as an individual question why I go. Kids hear swearing in the street etc but it isnt so in your face there. Last season Viduka was being abused by fans around us, being called a fat lazy c*** until he scored, then he was the hero of the day. I acknowledge that we arnt doing well at all at the moment and passions are running high and this is resulting in a load more abuse being yelled. I just think this will deplete the turnstyle numbers even more.

susy Posted on 6/11 9:59
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Guess im the only one then.

glippy Posted on 6/11 11:05
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There's no place for reasoned argument on this board.

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susy Posted on 6/11 11:06
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Sorry

mr_r_soles Posted on 6/11 11:07
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Where do you sit?

gravy_boat Posted on 6/11 11:07
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Fuk off Susy.

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 11:08
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Said this before susy when people were on about drinking in your seat.

Got loads of stick for it but the fact is, football grounds are places where familys go now, theres as many women and children as there is men who want to get away from their wives and let off steam. The rules about stranding, swearing and drinking and smoking are now there for a reason. Some people especially kids don't want it and they desevre to be at the game as much as anyone.

I might sound soft saying it, but the argument of the working class being forced out of the game, all I can say is good, if you want to come and watch football, sort your life out so that you can sit amongst people reasonably for 90 minutes, then go and do what you like afterwards.

susy Posted on 6/11 11:09
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Ive sat in the north stand, the west stand and the south stand. Mainly the south stand.

Cheers Gravy

gravy_boat Posted on 6/11 11:10
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Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 6/11 11:20
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Isn't there still a McDonalds family enclosure?

KENDAL Posted on 6/11 11:26
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Can somebody explain as to why it seems that it's only football that has this problem?

susy Posted on 6/11 11:35
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Does it not happen in rugby? I don't know, ive never been.

KENDAL Posted on 6/11 11:46
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I watch London Wasps quite alot and can say that I've never heard anything like you quoted.

susy Posted on 6/11 11:50
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Thanks for that, I really didnt know.

When I first started writing this thread I was very doubtful whether I should post it at all cos when reading it it does sound very snobby, but the thing is a lot of people will think this without saying it and even think twice about letting their kids go with the schools, and that would be a real shame.

susy Posted on 6/11 11:50
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double post

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mf_c Posted on 6/11 11:52
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We should divide the ground into sections :

Family Enclosure
Swearing Enclosure
Chav Enclosure (remembering to let the Police Dogs in before opening the gates to let them out)
Booing enclosure
etc

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 11:53
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it's not snobby susy, it just means you aren't an idiot who still lives his/her life back in the 80's.

towz Posted on 6/11 11:55
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I think the main thing that keeps people away is the lack of smoking, drinking, swearing and fighting at games these days

sasboro Posted on 6/11 11:57
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aye, nowt to do with a poor home league record over the last few seasons and taking steps backwards

towz Posted on 6/11 11:57
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Oh YEah, that too

susy Posted on 6/11 11:58
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Oh I dont no there was someone smoking in the concourse a couple of home games ago. No one stopped him.

towz Posted on 6/11 11:59
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*keeps head down and shuffles off*

susy Posted on 6/11 12:00
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Sas, if you read the title of the thread it say ANOTHER, not '' the "

susy Posted on 6/11 12:00
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Doubled up again!

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mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:00
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ITS A FOOTBALL MATCH FFS!!!!

Boromart Posted on 6/11 12:02
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If your getting a bit of bother at the game susy then I am willing to make the sacrifice and sit next to you and protect you

I think the answer is better sectioning of the stadium, and preferably with a standing section. Anyone that wants to stand, swear, pee on the floor, and EIO can go to the 80s throwback section, anyone that wants to sit with the kids and eat Brie and Cranberry Ciabattas can go in the 90s enclosure with plastic seats, foam hands and a resident Roary on the end of each row.

Everyones happy.

susy Posted on 6/11 12:02
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^^ leaves the thread at this point cos it is all said by Mufflar ^^

Vincent75 Posted on 6/11 12:03
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Exactly mufflar.

What did women do before it became trendy for them to impose themselves on football matches?

KENDAL Posted on 6/11 12:04
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Mufflar has just spoken a thousand words in one short sentence, say no more.

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 12:05
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Had a good meal on the table for their fella who'd been fighting for his team, thats what.

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r0chey Posted on 6/11 12:08
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Complaining about swearing at football, i have heard it all now.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 6/11 12:09
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I blame the Labour Government

For people swearing and also for people complaining about swearing

mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:11
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to be honest, I think things like "women complaining about swearing" are the reason a lot of people stay away...

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 12:13
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football was a working mans game till the media decided to kidnap it.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 12:16
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Spot on Mufflar.

If parents want to shield their child away from swearing then take them out of school.

The language when I was at school 10 years ago and the filth we used to talk about was in your opinion, disgusting.

SO taking kids to footy mathces and complaining about swearing is not really valid.

Ill swear at the match if I want to.

after all its only a noise you make with your mouth.

For parents who think their child is an angel and never swears, looks at p0rn, smokes, drinks when they are growing up then I despair for you.

mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:18
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The first time I went to a Boro match I was told you might hear swear words and rude phrases. Just dont tell your mother and dont repeat them outside the ground.

I told my nephew the same thing the first time i took him...

No big tits is it??

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 12:19
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Yea, you always see five year olds walking round mouthing off at strangers, with a fag in their mouth, a can in their hand and looking at the latest edition of razzle.

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 12:22
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If you can teach your kids reality, right from wrong and respect where is the problem?

Guisboro Posted on 6/11 12:24
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When I go I sit with the rich folks up in the West Stand Upper, its all very cordial and the worst swear word heard is "spiffing".

You should come and join us Susy.

Tally Ho !

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 12:24
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I agree, but I still think susy has a point, some parents would still refuse to take their kids to a football match, which is what the whole thread is about.

speckyget Posted on 6/11 12:25
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The reason rugby doesn't have the same 'problem' is that it's not easy to give a monkeys about fat blokes squirming in the mud and hoofing the ball in the air like a bad version of 1980s Wimbledon.

I've tried not to go ballistic at football, I really have. I don't spend any other part of my working or family life with my face contorted with rage and bile spewing forth. But it matters, the football. It's 90 intense minutes of caring for nothing else but a Boro win. I'm not saying 'if you don't like it f*** off', all I'm saying is try to understand we all need some catharsis in our lives.

susy Posted on 6/11 12:27
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The kids that I go with have been told also that they may hear swearing and shouting and that stays in the ground, but now at this moment in time the aggression being showed and the vile words coming out of peoples mouths is excessive and whether you or I find it acceptable or not doesnt matter I do believe that this will in turn reduce the amount of people who bring their kids to the match. Thats all.

mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:28
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If people who dont want to swear/shout/sing at a football match didnt go, it would be a much better atmosphere.

Its called PASSION!

Id rather sit next to someone giving it rock all than someone sat impassively watching, then getting out a thermos...

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 12:29
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"The kids that I go with have been told also that they may hear swearing and shouting and that stays in the ground, but now at this moment in time the aggression being showed and the vile words coming out of peoples mouths is excessive and whether you or I find it acceptable or not doesnt matter I do believe that this will in turn reduce the amount of people who bring their kids to the match. Thats all."

And we wonder where the passion has gone.

susy Posted on 6/11 12:29
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I can be very passionate without uttering one swear word

towz Posted on 6/11 12:29
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Agree with specky. If you care about something alot you get wound up.

mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:29
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the C word should be avoided, as a rule, not just at football but in all walks of life.

It is, and should remain, the sole property of cockney arseoles who are addressing their friends...

TeessideCleveland Posted on 6/11 12:30
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Crap ?

mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:31
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do you swear during 'relations' susy?

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 12:32
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'do you swear during 'relations' susy?'

only if she drops a stitch

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 12:34
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Why do people get so upset with swearing?

Its a oise, a string of letters put together to make a word on a page.

Its not like your gonna go through life without ever hearing swear words so why should kids be protected of it?

Get it out into the open I reckon and the kids will be less likely to abuse the swear words.

Same as Sex.

Ignorance only breeds contempt and abusive situations in my opinion.

Be open with your kids and swear and tell em about sex and the big bad world otherwise if they go through life thinking everyone is lovely and kind then they might get themselves in trouble.

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 12:36
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The next time I see some 18 year old tramp, with a corned beef neck, call her little boy a d**k head while blowing smoke in his face, I'm just going to stand and applaud.


mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:37
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DAZ - PMSL!

I mean weeing MSL!

susy Posted on 6/11 12:37
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The c word does seem to be commonly used in the ground as the f and s etc.

I never drop a stitch Borored!!

Why not just go the whole hog and have sex in front of the kids too Super?

towz Posted on 6/11 12:38
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They'd put me off

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susy Posted on 6/11 12:39
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Is that cos they would be giving you tips they have learned off the internet porn they have been watching Towz. Or just cos they were laffing?

KENDAL Posted on 6/11 12:39
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Next time I walk through the Cleveland Centre and I hear a woman(?) screaming at her child in the pushair "Sit ****ing still you mong", I'll think Yeah thats the way forward.

towz Posted on 6/11 12:40
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Well they wouldn't be mine for a start

mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:41
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are you a jaffa towz?

mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:42
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Kendal - How many pushchairs do you see at the football?

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 12:42
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Kendal have you been for a meal with Vinny and his Mrs?

towz Posted on 6/11 12:42
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No I'm English

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 12:44
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Ok Susy, just bury your head in the sand then and ignore everything thats going on in the world today.

I agree that kids should enjoy an Age of Innocence but they should not be ignorant of the way of the world and all the scumbags and horrid people knocking about.

Education not ignorance is the key to bringing up your kids well I reckon, and no I havent got any but thats my plan!

KENDAL Posted on 6/11 12:44
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Mufflar, At the Riverside I would say alot of people wouldn't be out of place in one.

mufflar Posted on 6/11 12:45
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Right!

susy Posted on 6/11 12:51
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Well I speak as a parent of 2 children. They are well aware of how horrid the outside world can be but i have also taught them RESPECT for themselves and others. They hear swearing and im sure when with their friends use bad language. I do not have any problem with that at all.

The kids im talking about at the match are in primary school and although will have heard lots of swear words in passing by their school mates and a little on the telly, they dont often have it rammed down their throats like they are having at the matches right now.

I am not burying my head in the sand at all, I am speaking as a realist who says that people who have the responsibility of bringing up children, unless they are chavey scrotes themselves, will vote with their feet away from the grounds. If the c word is being screamed in their little ears, I dont blame the parents, do you?

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 12:51
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If you don't like it, Susy, then fcuk off.
What the hell do you people want? Bet you read the Daily Mail as well and drive the kids to school in your 4x4 so they don't get kidnapped by the immigrant paedophiles that hang about on every corner.

susy Posted on 6/11 12:52
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I have never owned a 4 by 4, and never will. I dont like them. But that is now just being used to try and insult me..... whatever!

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Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 12:55
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The fact is, anyone with an ounce of decency and responsability, would think twice about some of the crap they come out with when young bairns are near them.

I know I would and everyone I know that goes to the matches does aswell.

Unfortunately there are people who couldn't care less, and still think they are stood on the Holgate where anything goes.

susy Posted on 6/11 13:01
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That is the way forward Turner for the good of the club.

Vincent75 Posted on 6/11 13:03
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Turner, you must be too young to understand.

towz Posted on 6/11 13:03
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But what about these immigrant paedophiles? I'm scared

horse_head Posted on 6/11 13:05
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Anything else you don't like Turner while we are on? Ban bloody everything and we'll get a gate of 1. You.

mufflar Posted on 6/11 13:06
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I hate all the singing and aggressive chanting. why cant all supporters just be best friends??

towz Posted on 6/11 13:07
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We should sing and dance and drink (lemonade) together

susy Posted on 6/11 13:08
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Now you are just being silly

mickymac Posted on 6/11 13:08
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"Right on Sister",youth control.

Vincent75 Posted on 6/11 13:09
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There should be a syncronised chant of 'Hurrah' if boro score, followed by gentle applause.
Better than children seeing over-excited adults jumping around roaring. They might start doing it in lessons at school.

Vincent75 Posted on 6/11 13:09
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pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 13:10
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It's called life. The reality is that just because you and your kind don't like it you expect it to stop. If we get relagated then you won't have to put up with it because the Championship is not as fashionable as the PL. What on earth will the neighbours think? Manchester Utd or Chelsea shirts for the kids?

mufflar Posted on 6/11 13:11
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Free Soduku puzzles for supporters, sorry audience, to complete at half time, or during quiet periods in the game...

susy Posted on 6/11 13:12
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I knew some people would find this snobby but that really doesnt worry me, what does is the fact that many think it is acceptable to yell the c word less than 3 feet away from a 7 year old.

horse_head Posted on 6/11 13:14
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As I no longer go, can someone confirm that if its a packed house you can still pee in the coat pocket of the bloke in front of you as you can't be bothered to battle to the bogs. Surely they can't ban everything.

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 13:14
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well done Susy. Good thread. Whats next? A 'breath tests on the turnstiles' thread?

towz Posted on 6/11 13:14
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But what if they yell it at a paedophile/immigrant/asylum-seeking/terrorist?

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bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 13:16
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"many think it is acceptable to yell the c word less than 3 feet away from a 7 year old"
Only if the fooker keeps banging on about wanting the toilet.

mufflar Posted on 6/11 13:16
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"the C word should be avoided, as a rule, not just at football but in all walks of life.

It is, and should remain, the sole property of cockney arseoles who are addressing their friends..."

Anything else goes IMO....

susy Posted on 6/11 13:16
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Borored I have no problem people drinking as long as they dont behave badly whilst doing so, so stop being a prat.

Boromart Posted on 6/11 13:16
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I don't think it is a case of Susy burying her head, more a case of not wanting to over-expose her kids to that kind of behaviour. If people are swearing all around her and she doesn't react then swearing becomes legitamised in her childrens mind.

She obviously has greater aspirations for her kids than to be some foul mouthed chav. Fair play to her, I'm exactly the same around my kids. It's called being a responsible parent.

towz Posted on 6/11 13:18
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next time someone swears near you at the match, a 6"5' skinhead from grangetown for instances, point at them and scowl and call them a naughty boy

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pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 13:18
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Like I said susy don't go then. Besides what sort of parent would subject their child to such language?

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 13:20
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Susy, what about people far...Oh, sorry, pumping near you? Does that offend you as well?

horse_head Posted on 6/11 13:21
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Football is so tedious these days. It would appear that the motive should be to go purely to watch the game in a lovely sanitised atmosphere. Why not just watch it at home? And if you go that far, watch Man U or the Gunners as they are so much more enjoyable.

Jon2977 Posted on 6/11 13:21
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At Ayresome Park there was no problem, all of the scum/chavs/boo boys/ people swearing all gathered together in the Chicken Run, problem solved. I used to stand at the front of the chicken run as a kid and believe me some of the things that used to come out of there, often to our own players !!!! you would be thrown out these days. The people you mention are probably the children / grandchildren of the chicken runners, passing on the baton so to speak.

susy Posted on 6/11 13:21
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Thanks Boromart, I dont actually take my kids, they aren't interested to be honest. But I do go with other who take their kids who are younger than mine and they are descent people who dont want their kids exposed to the c word every week. They arnt whingy kids either!

Vincent75 Posted on 6/11 13:22
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susy, if it upsets you so much, grass the perpetrator up to a steward.
That's probably what Boromart does.

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 13:22
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I was highlighting the fact that you started a post that got such a reaction not ridiculing you so less of the name calling. I find it as insultiing as being called a c..t

mufflar Posted on 6/11 13:25
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Shut up Darren you complete Prat!

LMFAO!!

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 13:25
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Look Susy (thats if it is your real name), I'm sure you are a lovely girl and I really don't want to upset you but have you considered that football is not the game for you?

susy Posted on 6/11 13:29
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Football is the game for me its just a few of the supporters need to have their mouths washed out thats all.

speckyget Posted on 6/11 13:29
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Sorry, the 'responsible parent' card is ullage. I've taken Miss Get to the games for four years now, she's 12. And she's heard me bawling stuff at the telly that would strip varnish since well before that. It's English, it's our language. It's just part of the palette. Is she foul mouthed herself? No, she's more in control than her old man. Does she hang around the streets? No. Is she well behaved, well adjusted and pretty charming all round? Yes, I believe she is.

mufflar Posted on 6/11 13:30
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what does 'ullage' mean?

susy Posted on 6/11 13:32
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Ask any parent of a daughter, they are little princesses until 14ish then they turn overnight into a monster...... Hope this doesnt happen to you Specky.

ccole Posted on 6/11 13:34
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I take my lad to games who is 13. I don’t have an issue with people swearing at games. For me it is what happens at football, when people have a blow out on a weekend and get emotionaly involved in a spectacle.

I wouldn’t want people doing it excessively around him, and very few do, but shouting the odd abusive word to a ref or a player is part and parcel of the game for me. It’s what happens. If you’re offended by this, why don’t you sit in the West Stand where it happens less?

Swear words are used to emphasise an expression of emotion. I know people say that those who use swear words have a limited vocabulary, but I don’t think “Oh, referee, I have to say that I disagree with your decision and I think you’re a little biased towards the opposition” can and should never replace “Oh Winter, your one bent barsteward”


Would anyone think that the atmosphere would be better if the ground was full of people who swear at matches, or full of Susys?

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pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 13:35
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I've been going to see the Boro since I was 5 years old. Dad would sit me on the wall at the bottom of The Holgate with an Oxo and packet of Chipmunk crisps. Never did me any fookin' harm. At least that's what the old coont said.

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 13:36
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"Would anyone think that the atmosphere would be better if the ground was full of people who swear at matches, or full of Susys?"
We'll find out in 5yrs time

speckyget Posted on 6/11 13:36
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The signs are already there susy. Mobile phone glued to head from breakfast to lights out, slack jawed gawping at MSN. All I'm saying is, whatever she ends up like - and I'm sure the next few years will be a hoot - I don't think a spot of exposure to some Anglo Saxon has caused any irrepairable psychological scars.

susy Posted on 6/11 13:37
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It was acceptable the amount of swearing before, it just seems to have taken a turn for the worst where loads more (non season ticket holders) are coming to the match and venting their spleen fully. Im not saying ban all swearing, it isnt practical and unnecessary but it IS excessive.

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 13:38
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Susy's ideal North Stand occupants.

Link: In the name of our good Lord ComeonBoro

Huan_Kerr Posted on 6/11 13:38
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Take away the suzys and the kids and there no more working men to take the place.

We are in transition between the traditional working class grafter who normally got steamed up before the 3pm kick off and thought nothing of throwing a few fks around and the era of the middle classes.

Its becoming a middle class game.

Vincent75 Posted on 6/11 13:39
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So susy, are you suggesting that non-season ticket holders are uncouth oafs?

Disgraceful tarring with the same brush scenario.

Boromart Posted on 6/11 13:39
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Of course I do Vincent75, 'grassing' on people is good fun, especially silly little gimps like you.

I think segregation is the way to go. I can swear with the best of them, but I don;t do it if I notice kids around. If I'm watching the Boro on TV then I make sure teh wife takes the kids out so that I can swear in peace!

piggy_nichol Posted on 6/11 13:39
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Its all about consideration for other people and behaving yourself. If you are sat next to a small child and his mother at the match you dont them embarrass them by swearing. Same as you dont fart in the pictures or grope old grannies tits in the paper shop.

Why would anyone want to scream 'cooont' in public anyway unless they have tourettes?

mufflar Posted on 6/11 13:42
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i love this thread for bringing back two amusing words - GIMP and PRATT!

LOL!

kermit_the_smog Posted on 6/11 13:42
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I have a potty mouth when I'm at a match. Always have and always will.

Can't help it. It's not something I just think of saying so then blurt it out, it just comes naturally, usually when jumping out my seat furious at something or another.

There's too much being taken away from the game, no wonder there's no singing anymore.

I hate the atmosphere at the riverside anyway, its nothing like it used to be. Can't do anything anymore, I even got told i'm not allowed to drink a pint the other day in the concourse area marked with black n white shevrons.

Blokes have been taking their kids to the matches for years and swearing has been rife, often in some of the chants from the ground.

Away games seem the only way that footy matches should be, we often stand and we often sing for the majority of the game. Wigan away singing in the concourse at HT was quality. Doesn't happen often enough.

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 13:42
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That's it! You stuck up cow! What the fook is wrong with 'non season ticket holders'?
Middlesbrough Football Club does not need 'supporters' like you who exclude people from the game.

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 13:44
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"Same as you dont fart in the pictures or grope old grannies tits in the paper shop."
Your getting personal now Piggy.

susy Posted on 6/11 13:44
re: Another thing that keeps people away

When I mentioned non season ticket holders I was implying that these were not regular supporters of our team, not that all non season ticket holders were scum.... but if the cap fits.....


piggy_nichol, "grope old grannies tits in the paper shop." that made me laff out loud.

indestructible Posted on 6/11 13:45
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Swearing, rightly or wrongly, is hardly new to football matches is it! I doubt very much that this has any impact on attendances.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 13:47
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I suppose there will always be parents who couldn't care less what they expose their children to. The old argument "well they hear worse at school etc" is usually trotted out when you try to point out that they should at least try to take some responsibility for the way their kids are brought up and what they grow up to perceive as normal behaviour.
I had 5 season tickets at one point and the hatred and general bile spouted from scum sat near me, who thought it their right to act like animals in front of 8 year kids, made me think long and hard about whether I wanted them to think of that environment as one I encouraged.
To cut a longish rant short, only one of my kids now bother going and given the responses to the opening question I'm not surprised.

horse_head Posted on 6/11 13:48
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Not regular supporters i.e. poor people who can't afford season tickets? Poor = uneducated = swearing.

I see where you are coming from. Heavens, the Riverside sounds like a haven for the great unwashed. How utterly awful.

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 13:49
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Freudian Slip more like.

Link: Susy (far right)

Boromart Posted on 6/11 13:50
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"Same as you dont fart in the pictures or grope old grannies tits in the paper shop." --> I agree very uncouth, it's far more acceptable to grope old grannies tits in the PICTURES and fart in the PAPER SHOP.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 13:50
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Susy, without trying to single you out and have a pop at you in particular,

I fookin sick of people who decide to come to football and then they decide they want things changing from how they have been for decades to suit their own particular preferences.

FFS, when was your first match Susy?

Was there swearing then, Id guess that there was but if its making you uncomfortable then im sure the 15000+ blokes who go and have the occasional pop at a player or join in a sweary song will mind their P's and Q's in future so you can enjoy yourself with your boro hat, scarf, jumper, shirt, wooly hat, tea cosy traines and big foam hand.

Crowd interaction with the players has always been part and parcel of the match day experience, if I got chucked out for swearing Id take the club or other club if it was an away match to court on account of unfair ejection as they dont throw out the 20000 fans who swear whilst singing 'Whose that team they call the Boro' for instance.

Fin.

Boromart Posted on 6/11 13:51
re: Another thing that keeps people away

phwooooaaar!

bororeddaz Posted on 6/11 13:52
re: Another thing that keeps people away

You'd have loved the Holgate wall Susy

onthemap Posted on 6/11 13:52
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Maybe we should reintroduce the throwing of darts and coins so you can go back to a more traditional atmosphere.

susy Posted on 6/11 13:54
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Sorry but people who buy the occasional match day ticket cannot be described as poor, if you are poor you couldnt afford to go to the match at all. Poor people have been priced out of going. Being poor has no bearing on respect though, as you keep harping on about the past go back to daily life in the past and go to a pit village where people were poor but worked hard for what they had, they looked after their rented houses with pride and intstilled discipline into their children, if an adult in that day screamed the c word in front of a 7 year old the rest of the stand would have sorted him out there and then.

r0chey Posted on 6/11 13:54
re: Another thing that keeps people away

for Susy..

Get into them, SPIFF them up!

Whos that team we call the Boro, who's that team we all adore, and they play in red and white, and theyre pretty dam good, and we'll support the Boro ever moreeee.


....Coz when you're in the Holgate, you'll hear a mighty roar, please go away you unpleasent newcastle folk, and dont come back no more!

ccole Posted on 6/11 13:56
re: Another thing that keeps people away

The old argument "well they hear worse at school etc" is usually trotted out when you try to point out that they should at least try to take some responsibility for the way their kids are brought up and what they grow up to perceive as normal behaviour.



Yeh, I am that unresposible parent. I do hope social services don't see me taking the lad to the game. No doubt my child will grow up happy slapping and robbing cars.

MarlonD Posted on 6/11 13:56
re: Another thing that keeps people away

susy, what you ahve to realise is that you're preaching to people who were taken to Ayresome Park etc by their Dads/Big brothers and are used to hearing "industrial" language at a football ground. However what you are asking people to do is tanatamount to asking a site of 50 male builders to stop swearing when the 1st female builder is employed.

Absolute rubbish and the very reason the atmosphere is disappearing from places like the Riverside.

Take your kids to the park or something.

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 13:58
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Hmmm....Do you think that football as a spectator sport does not fit in well with 21st Century attitudes and values? Could that be the problem? Have I hit the nail on the head?
Or is it just Susy being a moaning cow who wants everything her own way?

susy Posted on 6/11 14:02
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I will just point out a few things

1- I dont take my kids to the match, they dont want to go.

2- I dont mind a bit of swearing but screaming that a certain player is a total c 3 feet away from a 7 year old is not okay in my opinion, it shows a total lack of respect for the kid and the general public

3- I am stating what others are thinking and this is widespread, MFC will lose people bringing their kids, with the kids comes the adults and also the supporters of the future.

Read the start of the thread, it is through concern for the club this thread was started not a one woman mission to be another Mary Whitehouse.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 14:02
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Spot on MarlonD.

Excuse me Mr Lead Scaff, we have a lad in on work experience so no swearing at all or you will be sacked.

Not gonna happen is it.

susy Posted on 6/11 14:02
re: Another thing that keeps people away

fooking board!

--- Post edited by susy on 6/11 14:03 ---

Vincent75 Posted on 6/11 14:03
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Kids should know right from wrong and understand that some things that they hear should not be repeated in their everyday life.
As I found to my cost at school after being sent to stand against the wall for singing 'Charlie Nicholas is w@nkar' in the playground after we beat arsenal 3-2 in the Fa Cup at Ayresome.

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 14:04
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Then, all of a sudden................Susy changes into...

Link: Poor little children

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 14:05
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"2- I dont mind a bit of swearing but screaming that a certain player is a total c 3 feet away from a 7 year old is not okay in my opinion, it shows a total lack of respect for the kid and the general public"

Dont take 7 year olds to football matches then.

I sit next to some family members and my mums cousin has been bringing her son since he was about 5.

what a fooking waste of money, he never sits still, spends half the match fooking about in the concourse and hasnt got a clue whats going on but whinges like a spoilt brat when she told him she was thinking of giving up the tickets.

susy Posted on 6/11 14:05
re: Another thing that keeps people away

she is dead pat!

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 14:06
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Wishful thinking then.
And you have no sense on humour either.

susy Posted on 6/11 14:08
re: Another thing that keeps people away

The 7 year old doesnt whine and go on, he really enjoys the game, knows more stats about the team than anyone else in the party but is intimidated by the people shouting c***, why should he be prevented from going?

kermit_the_smog Posted on 6/11 14:08
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Am beginning to think this thread was raised in good humour and not meant to be serious.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 14:11
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Maybe part of the reason there's no atmosphere is because of the empty seats and a large number of them are empty because of this very reason.
Hard to stomach for some, but the best atmosphere at the ground was when it was full (amazing but true), problem was that a lot of families, perhaps new to football, mistakenly believed that the game was suitable for responsible parents to introduce their kids to.
It isn't unfortunately, so there you have it, no atmosphere, no new supporters coming through, attendances dropping hence team struggling.
You've got the crowd you deserve.

Boromart Posted on 6/11 14:12
re: Another thing that keeps people away

superbok, if you think that kids under 7 shouldn't go then they will all watch footy on TV and become Manure and Arse fans........then Susys scenario will happen, attendances will fall.

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 14:21
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I actually agree with map...

*reads maps post again*

Yea I do, I actually agree with map

The thing is, we all know that the powers that be have tried to make the game more open to families, hence the rules about smoking drinking standing and swearing etc. And they'll continue to do so. So unless you are willing to step into this century, rather than live in the 80's, you are always going to lose.

Why not try and think of new ways that you would like to see the matchday expereince improved, like different segragation, more pubs nearer the ground etc. instead of moaning that your grandad did it before your dad, and your dad took you and it's never done any of you any harm.

towz Posted on 6/11 14:22
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Men, leave the kids with your lass while she cooks the tea and you drink a gallon, goto to the match for a good shout and swear, then come come back batter the kids and kick her down the stairs

MarlonD Posted on 6/11 14:28
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Turner, shut up you fool. If I ever see you moaning about the lack of atmosphere at the Riverside again I'll remind you of this thread were you turned into a litlle poncey t1t moaning about people swearing.

This is the beginning of the end of football being the working class game and attitudes from "men" like yourselves are quickening the dilution process.

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 14:33
re: Another thing that keeps people away

What has the atmosphere got to do with it?

Vincent75 Posted on 6/11 14:34
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Marlon, he's always the same is young Turner.

He constantly comments on how the Holgate end experience was like something from the dark ages, despite the fact he never experienced it.

Commenting about something you have no experience of is wrong.
like when dicky200006 talks about sex.

joseph99 Posted on 6/11 14:34
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Susy – I have expressed similar things in the past but not so much swearing. The one thing that simply does not sit well with me is the paedophilic songs that emanate from certain away fans, namely Leeds, Sunderland, Newcastle. This I feel is beyond banter and in my eyes worse than racially abusing a player. My kids are of an age that questions all things including chants – so I have to explain. Sadly, I see little effort from the club stewards etc to stamp this appalling chant from the game. If the kid is able to understand the background to these chants then the potential psychological problems it could create are horrendous.

The swearing is not much a problem for me. I would object to the c*** blast from a couple of feet, but generally kids have to be aware that gutter language exists and we know anyway that it pervades every schoolyard, like it always as. For me it is a part of growing up and learning and part of making them aware of the real world outside of the immediate family home. The danger is that they try to apply that language in the family home or in their own social circle in a way that is out of character. Controlling their language is key.

towz Posted on 6/11 14:35
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Dicky has had plenty of sexual experiences with his right hand

KENDAL Posted on 6/11 14:36
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Basically, if you haven't got a belly full of ale, slavering like you've got rabies, and mouthing like you've got tourettes then there won't be any atmosphere.

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 14:37
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I did go to Ayrsome Park, albeit not in the Holgate, and the Atmosphere was no better than it is today.

MarlonD Posted on 6/11 14:37
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"What has the atmosphere got to do with it?"

Are you for real !?!?!

Absolutely everything. If you want to turn the Riverside into a mini Nanny State you just keep banging on with your modern man views about football.

Stick to Soccer AM and the lightside of football.

FFS

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 14:38
re: Another thing that keeps people away

The use of racist language or singing songs about peadophilia is in my opinion, in now ay connected to the use of swear words.

aAnd to suggest so is both offensive and wrong.

towz Posted on 6/11 14:38
re: Another thing that keeps people away

A belly full of whisky or jagermeister has a similar effect

cargofleet Posted on 6/11 14:40
re: Another thing that keeps people away

i read what you new fans want ,no swearing,no smoking,no drinking,no standing, ,etc and i despair . why not just go the full way and just have it like the cinema , ohh sorry you already have done .

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 14:40
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Marlon, I'm all for people making noise, and singing and making an atmosphere, just not for big fat buffoons that stand and boo and call the players and manager c**** and s**thouses etc.

susy Posted on 6/11 14:42
re: Another thing that keeps people away

So let me get this right, if you are working class then you swear and thats okay, if you middle class you hear swearing but don't use it and if you are upper class then what you have probably never heard it?

This is total and utter rubbish. If you are scum you use the word cun* in public, it doesn't matter what class system you perceive yourself to be part of. There you go FACT.

kermit_the_smog Posted on 6/11 14:44
re: Another thing that keeps people away

towz you comment prior to your previous one did indeed have me chuckling.

Can't believe people are agreeing with susy over this, am sure she started this for a laugh.

Jon2977 Posted on 6/11 14:44
re: Another thing that keeps people away

LOL What would some people have made of the Chicken Run at Ayresome !!!!!! I was introduced to the Chicken Run at 8 years old.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 14:46
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Well the 5'000 of you that want to act like animals have got your way so whats your problem? There's 15'000 or so that tolerate you at the moment to, although that figures going down by the week.
Just think in a few years time they might only open the North Stand and you can all act like monkeys together.

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 14:46
re: Another thing that keeps people away

But the point is, there are people who would not come to games because of people that can't control their language, susy has experienced it herself.

If a woman took her kid to a game and had some pleb beside her who swiore his head off for 90 minutes, she would probably not come back. That's the point of the thread, it's got nothing to do with being a man and having a good bit of matchday banter.

Boromart Posted on 6/11 14:47
re: Another thing that keeps people away

SuperBok if the 80s were so much better then sitting at your PC cyberchatting about footy isn't the place for you

towz Posted on 6/11 14:48
re: Another thing that keeps people away

What's wrong with monkeys? Speciesist!!!

MarlonD Posted on 6/11 14:51
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Turner and susy, please take a seat and I'll explain something to you.

Football became popular as a spectator sport for working class men due to the fact they could go on a saturday afternoon, have a few pints stand and swear etc etc then go home. However over the years it has evolved into a spectator sport where women and children are becoming more and more, part of the crowd. However just as women and children don't expect me to wear make up and spiderman undies, I dont expect them to swear like a man would. However there should be a section where you could all sit and eat cola bottles and talk about curtains as those brutish men stand up sing, fart and shout expletives at the man in black and those rotters from down South.

You might wear the trousers at home susy but turner wants them back now.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 14:51
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I use the word C(_)NT in public and I am not SCUM.

FACT.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 14:52
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Maybe the club could suspend some tyres from the roof and throw some cardboard boxes in whenever the atmosphere dipped?
Or fruit flavoured ice cubes or straw - no wonder Fordy was sacked this is easy.

Lefty3668 Posted on 6/11 14:53
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Are we talking about swearing in the family enclosure? I don't agree with that.

However if not, why are parents taking these children, who they haven't brought up to appreciate that there will be industrial language at the match though if they ever repeat it will be thrashed to within an inch of their life, to other parts of the ground anyway?

Surely they should be left at home to watch South Park:The Movie instead?

Big_Shot Posted on 6/11 14:53
re: Another thing that keeps people away

'If a woman took her kid to a game and had some pleb beside her who swiore his head off for 90 minutes, she would probably not come back.'

Why wouldn't she. She could just sit elsewhere next time, if she wasn't going to return because of who was sat next to her one time then she isn't someone that the whole terrace culture should be changed for. My mate takes his lads in the West Lower for this exact reason. No problems.

--- Post edited by Big_Shot on 6/11 14:54 ---

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 14:55
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Marlon, I agree with you about there being seperate sections.

That way, the people who have no control over their mouths, won't have to worry about who is around them.

it's all about having consioderation for those around you, especially in a place where there are women and children. So let's have a place where those with no consideration, can be as rude and obnoxious as they want to be.

Quite simple really.

And can I just say, I'd also be in that section, because I like a bit of swearing, I just don't do it myself because I do have consideration for who is sat next to me.

--- Post edited by Turner_86 on 6/11 14:57 ---

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 14:55
re: Another thing that keeps people away

???

I have never mentioned the 80's.

I was only born in 84, first match SHeff Wed away 1992 with my dad at hillsbrough, won 3-2/4-2 I think.

He took me there knowing full well there would be some filth in the language used, warned me about it but didnt go over the top.

Was hooked on the Boro since then, remember singing "Always look on the Bright side of life" to Sheff Wed fans and it was absolutely bruddy brilliant.

r0chey Posted on 6/11 14:56
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"1- I dont take my kids to the match, they dont want to go."

Probably because you won't let them swear.

susy Posted on 6/11 15:07
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I dont take my kids to the match cos it bores them rigid.

They dont swear in front of me or in front of young children because they know it is wrong.

BoroStu Posted on 6/11 15:16
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"This is total and utter rubbish. If you are scum you use the word cun* in public, it doesn't matter what class system you perceive yourself to be part of. There you go FACT."

Actually, adding FACT to the end of a paragraph expressing your opinion makes it no more a fact than anyone else's opinion.

You've stated a couple of times in this thread that you don't want to sound snobby. What you've written there indicates you have failed.

On the subject of the oh-so-maligned 'C' word, a drunk bloke punched me in the face for no reason last Friday night, I called him a cùnt, and I called his lass who after he punched me said "That was your fault!" a splitarse cùnt.

We were in public at the time. Who's the scum in that scenario?

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 15:17
re: Another thing that keeps people away

All three of you

BoroStu Posted on 6/11 15:18
re: Another thing that keeps people away

lol

Hawey, I called him a cùnt, when what I really wanted to do was put him through the nearest wall. I think I showed remarkable restraint!

--- Post edited by BoroStu on 6/11 15:19 ---

KENDAL Posted on 6/11 15:20
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Stu, why didn't you just punch his missus and say to him that was your fault!

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 15:21
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Seriously though, no ones objecting to swearing on the whole, at least I don't think they are.

We all swear, and if you are in the pub it's one of them places where you can let yourself go.

But again, the point is, a football ground isn't and shouldn't be one of those places anymore. I'm assuming there wasn't any children about when you called him a c**** and his wench a splitarse.

burydweller Posted on 6/11 15:23
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Just another long list in the catalouge of Teeside moaning, I am convinced it is a boro manifestation. Part of growing up is listening to colourful language and rough and tumble in the playground. It is a working class atmosphere were people are venting thier weekly frustrations out on highly pampered sportsmen. Go to the opera susy, simple really.

BoroStu Posted on 6/11 15:24
re: Another thing that keeps people away

We were at the hotel where our lass works, so I couldn't tw@t him back - didn't want any repercussions coming back on her.

All in all he was lucky we were there, as he was in his early fifties (at a guess) and off his face - I'm 26 and had only had a few bottles of Bud, I'd have smashed the fcuk out of him.

Back to the matter in hand, a simple concept of "what happens at the match stays at the match" has worked a treat for everyone I know who takes bairns.

susy Posted on 6/11 15:25
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I really dont care if you think i am being snobby, that really doesnt matter one little bit, what does matter is that there will only be a few thousand people going to the game if this carries on like it is at the moment. Society has moved on, the club has been positively encouraging families to come to the club with its cheap under 11 tickets and games with tickets kids for £1. The families that have started to come will not come for long if people continue with this increased and I mean increased level of vile abuse pouring out of some peoples mouths. If this goes on the families will disappear and the club will have less and less money to buy the striker we need etc etc end result is that we go down. I am worried about the here and now and the future, not the past.

KENDAL Posted on 6/11 15:26
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Like it or not, it isn't a working class game anymore, it's just that people have great difficulty in adjusting to change.

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 15:26
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I agree the concept works, I also went to the games having been told the same thing, but I still think it would put people of going.

holgateoldskool Posted on 6/11 15:33
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I remember being at Reading last season. I was sitting right at the back of our enclosure. There was this little nipper - 8 or 9 ish I would think and he was swearing far more than any adult in the vacinity.

Now that was a shock to hear. His (i presume) father was sitting next to him and didn't attempt to stop the foul mouthed youngun.

I know what Susy means and she has a point - but I am guilty through either frustration/passion at letting one or two expletives out.

Sorry, Susy !!!!

BoroStu Posted on 6/11 15:34
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"Seriously though, no ones objecting to swearing on the whole, at least I don't think they are."

Susy is. She's quite clearly stated that ANYONE using the word "cùnt" is scum. So much so that she's whacked FACT on the end of her sentence.

"I really dont care if you think i am being snobby, that really doesnt matter one little bit, what does matter is that there will only be a few thousand people going to the game if this carries on like it is at the moment. Society has moved on, the club has been positively encouraging families to come to the club with its cheap under 11 tickets and games with tickets kids for £1. The families that have started to come will not come for long if people continue with this increased and I mean increased level of vile abuse pouring out of some peoples mouths. If this goes on the families will disappear and the club will have less and less money to buy the striker we need etc etc end result is that we go down. I am worried about the here and now and the future, not the past."

I'm glad you don't care, that makes it all the easier to call you a snob. What you actually are though is on your high horse, and to be perfectly honest sounding like the goody-two-shoes, politically correct, wrap-kids-in-cotton-wool brigade. You'll be telling us that subjecting them to an environment whereby they're introduced to foul language is tantamount to a breach of their Human Rights.

People aren't staying away because of swearing, they're staying away because currently we're relegation fodder. They've stayed away in the past because we were God-awful to watch.

Basically, you pay your money, you take your chance. There could be someone giving it rock all beside you and your bairn, we could absolutely dick the opposition and you won't hear a peep (unless it's directed at the oppo players or fans).

I'll tone it down if there's kids sat around us, but if I lose my rag then it's tough I'm afraid, I'm passionate about my team and when emotions run high we can all run our mouths off.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 15:37
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"what does matter is that there will only be a few thousand people going to the game if this carries on like it is at the moment."

utter rubbish.

if thats the case then since swearing has existed since the year dot there should be no one there but the 5000plus who do vent their anger with expletives.

You seem like a nice lady Susy but you are getting on my titz now.

Call me a chauvinist or sexist, I probably am, but this precisely why women have ruled football.

I have no problem with the 5000 ladies who go to the match and accept the atmosphere as it is but dont come on here whinging about something that you probably have just started going to FFS.

Its like me going into a hospital and saying "hmmm, I dont agree with legalised abortions, stop it now." (that was using extremely cynical 6th form logic btw!)

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 15:38
re: Another thing that keeps people away

You have titz?

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 15:42
re: Another thing that keeps people away

ooooh dont say Titz turner there is a lady here....

Turner_86 Posted on 6/11 15:43
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Only if you get em out.

susy Posted on 6/11 16:00
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Just to clarify, I go to the matches, I dont really like people screaming cun* loudly in my ear near children, I find it offensive and puts me off the game but it isnt actually me I am talking about it is families going to the match. If the players stuff up on the pitch then I understand and I guess so do the kids that expletives come out, that is expected, not just accepted but what I have been talking about is people screaming vile abuse at players as they are either warming up or have possession of the ball. It is this sort of behaviour that I am well aware that many families are thinking about not going anymore.

BoroStu Posted on 6/11 16:10
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"...but what I have been talking about is people screaming vile abuse at players as they are either warming up or have possession of the ball. It is this sort of behaviour that I am well aware that many families are thinking about not going anymore."

But you've made a lot of the points of your replies about swearing in general.

As far as shouting abuse at the players goes, I wouldn't do it while they're warming up (unless they have some former bad blood with the Club), but during the match they're fair game. It's part and parcel of the game; barracking the opposition players just as much as their fans. It's all part of the banter on a matchday.

Watch any live Sky covered match, and when you see a player collecting a ball for a throw, corner, etc. near the oppo fans what do you see behind him in the crowd? That's right, you see people giving him rock all and swearing their heads off, including kids. It's not just at the Boro so don't make it part of a reason for people staying away from the Riverside.

And to be fair, if some people aren't prepared to take their kids to the game but the kids themselves are independantly interested in football and the Club, they'll go by themselves when they're old enough.

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 16:14
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Since the start of 'The Boro Revolution' a new type of supporter has emerged. These are the ones who seem to think that by buying a season ticket they become part of some sort of exclusive club. Let me tell you you are not. You are buying a ticket which allows you to go and watch the match and that is it. If you don't like it then don't buy another one. It's as simple as that.
Susy,look for something else to do. Like fookin knitting or something.

ayresome_82 Posted on 6/11 16:16
re: Another thing that keeps people away

'people screaming vile abuse at players as they are either warming up or have possession of the ball. It is this sort of behaviour that I am well aware that many families are thinking about not going anymore'.

Rubbish, i cant see why anyone would scream abuse at a player warming up, no matter who it is. Plus, the families who are thinking about not going anymore because of this behaviour must have had there hearing restored after being deaf for the past god knows how many years!!

What a pathetic excuse for a whinge this thread is.

Shouting and swearing has been part and parcel of the game for years, if you dont like it, find another sport.

--- Post edited by ayresome_82 on 6/11 16:20 ---

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 6/11 16:18
re: Another thing that keeps people away

It's time the club re-iterated that the north stand is for those that use a bit of langauge and that it won't be tolerated elsewhere in the pub, errrr I mean ground.

If they can't watch a game without resorting to swearing then the coonts should go somewhere else on a Saturday.

susy Posted on 6/11 16:18
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"you are buying a ticket to watch the match and thats it" yes thats right, I buy a ticket to watch a match where children OAPs and adults are all welcome, it just such a shame that tourettes seems to be acceptable inside the stadium, it isnt acceptable outside it so why the difference.

Woodymfc Posted on 6/11 16:18
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Aye its getting bit nippy, any chance of jumper susy

onthemap Posted on 6/11 16:21
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Pat
You got this completely the wrong way around "'The Boro Revolution' a new type of supporter has emerged. These are the ones who seem to think that by buying a season ticket they become part of some sort of exclusive club."

It's fans who take pleasure in telling us that the football is no place for women and children that think it's an exclusive club.

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 16:22
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Susy, isn't it about time you got back where you belong in the kitchen and got the tea on? Then it will be time for Eastenders.

r0chey Posted on 6/11 16:22
re: Another thing that keeps people away

200

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 16:25
re: Another thing that keeps people away

onthemap, don't you fookin start!
Where the fook did all these women and kids appear from all of a sudden?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 6/11 16:25
re: Another thing that keeps people away

and Susy's shirt goes over head as she celebrates in front of the boys end!

onthemap Posted on 6/11 16:29
re: Another thing that keeps people away

The game thought that all it had to do was make everyone sit down and it'd turn into a family day out.

susy Posted on 6/11 16:29
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Coraigh, there really wouldnt be much point as I wear at least 3 layers when I go to the match.... the seats need to be heated!!

Anyway, now ive got my first over 200 thread I will have to stop bleating on like a woman and go and finish the ironing and make the tea while yelling at the kids to finish their homework before I smack em one.

BoroStu Posted on 6/11 16:30
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"yes thats right, I buy a ticket to watch a match where children OAPs and adults are all welcome..."

The OAP's are some of the bloody worst! Especially a bloke who sits near us in the East Upper, just shouts and shouts all the way through, and the only word you can ever make out is "tw@t"

Nice to see that my point on swearing at EVERY other Club in the country was nicely ignored. Swearing will not stop a football supporter from going to watch their team.

If it does I'd echo what others have said - maybe football isn't the sport for you.

--- Post edited by BoroStu on 6/11 16:33 ---

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 16:31
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Susy you remind me of these two yummy mummies who brought their kids in the pub the other week.
Its not a wacky warehouse or other such plastic craphole, its a proper pub.

Their fookin kids were running round and knockin into stuff.

Now as you can imagine the language in a group of 10 lads on a friday afternoon after a couple of beers got a bit juicy and explicit and these two women looked at us disgusted.

DONT BRING YOUR FOOKIN KIDS INTO A PROPER PUB SO YOU CAN HAVE A COUPLEOF BACARDI BREEZERS THEN TAKE THE MORAL HIGHGORUND COS SOMEONE IN THE PUB SWORE.

Its exactly the same situation in my book.

ITs common sense, you can like it or lump it as far as im concerned sooze.

Now Ill stop havin a got at yer!

Woodymfc Posted on 6/11 16:31
re: Another thing that keeps people away

after all that crap shes a child abuser

horse_head Posted on 6/11 16:32
re: Another thing that keeps people away

No wonder so many people choose to watch games in the pub. It turns out its not the price nor the quality of football. No, judging by the numerous threads on here recently, its to avoid the most sanitised, easily offended, self righteous bunch of tarts ever assembled at a football ground.

holgateoldskool Posted on 6/11 16:32
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Firstly, well done Susy for getting a double ton - that's bloody (oops!)fantastic. This thread has stirred the emotions !!! Some of the posts are over the top,like.

It really is similar to smoking - those that do feel alienated those that don't arn't enamoured with smokey atmospheres!!!Oh no ! What have I said ???!!! Another thread no doubt..........

susy Posted on 6/11 16:35
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Argh Borostu, it isnt just general swearing that is so bad, this is expected and the kids are armed to deal with it, it is the knob heads that scream the c word with other obscenities just for the hell of it that is the problem. When The ball goes into our net no one would expect us to sit and clap the other team , the downhearted f*** and Sh** is expected.

BoroStu Posted on 6/11 16:37
re: Another thing that keeps people away

So your real problem is that you think the word "cùnt" will stop people from going to the match?

It's rare I hear anyone at the ground shouting obscenities just for the Hell of it - any swearing is always in response to something happening during the match.

--- Post edited by BoroStu on 6/11 16:38 ---

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 16:37
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Had enough of this.
Susy, you have given middle-class, female, holier than thou, plastic Boro stuck up cows a bad name.
Apart from that I hope there's no hard feelings.

susy Posted on 6/11 16:39
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Superboksupper please dont presume to know me, I would not bring kids into a pub. If I did they wouldnt be allowed to run around, I hate that. I dont think that pubs are a place for kids to be, it is a place for adults to go and unwind, and get drunk if they want to. Not for kids.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 16:43
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Susy, watch football factories, it'll give you an idea about how this lot think football should be.

susy Posted on 6/11 16:45
re: Another thing that keeps people away

pat the cat if you wish to judge me as that you may, it doesn't bother me one bit, if you wish the club to not have children and women there then that is your prerogative but just be careful what you wish for, you will enjoy the championship and the 1st division in no time if the women and children leave. If children feel intimidated they wont want to go and this is actually happening, I bet you will be listening out next match for it all.

boroPE Posted on 6/11 16:47
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Hard one for me to comment on. I saw plenty of goings on in the 80s. Done plenty of shouting and swearing myself over the years but i now take my 6 year old son to the match. Do get a bit embarassed sometimes not sure if he hears it or not but the alternative is not take him.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 6/11 16:47
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Susy, I wasnt accusing you of taking kids into a pub, just using it as a similar thing, so sorry if u felt I was being presumptious!

However if I did know you then I wouldnt change the way I am or speak or behave just cos you or anyone else for that matter didnt like me.

I hate false people so unfortunately you will never have the tremendous honour of being my friend (Bet your gutted, not.)

BoroStu Posted on 6/11 16:48
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"Susy, watch football factories, it'll give you an idea about how this lot think football should be."


What, "cùnt" being every second or third word?

No, I don't think so.

Although saying that, it is a favourite word of our cock-erney cousins and lo-and-behold London clubs manage to fill their grounds.

What I'd say the majority of us want football to be is something that allows us to forget about everything but our team and not have rules and regulations (of which there are already far too many in life) rammed down our throats for absolutely anything which derives from having an incy-winsy bit of passion for what's going on. You can't stand, you can't swear, you can't sing, etc, etc.

BoroStu Posted on 6/11 16:51
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"you will enjoy the championship and the 1st division in no time if the women and children leave."

That's CLASS.

Without the women and children we'll be relegated?

Beauty.

horse_head Posted on 6/11 16:53
re: Another thing that keeps people away

onthemap - not minding, or even indulging in, swearing hardly means you want to be a member of a football firm, smashing peoples heads in.

A rather silly comparison.

radiogaga Posted on 6/11 17:03
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I take exception to those who say that it is the working class who go to football to swear.

As Speckyget has admitted, the frustrated lower middle classes who can't swear at home or at work pays their money to go to the games and cuss their to their hearts content.

I myself do not swear in front of children, and that is the case for most working people.

TheRedCosack Posted on 6/11 17:07
re: Another thing that keeps people away

another reason people are staying away is because of the rise in gambling on football which is combined with televised games. I know a mate of a mate who bets £20 on 4 games a month, he always backs teams unlikely to win with good odds, he watches the games on tele and supports the team he is betting on, he loses often but considers it money well spent if they win, and the £20 is the same as going to the game

Boromart Posted on 6/11 17:10
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I'm sure I read something about Boro have one of the highest proportion of female fans in the prem. Sow ithout them there would be a lot more empty seats. Kids, if we don't get them, in, and into an environment they enjoy rather than fear, then they will all become armchair Chelsea/Manure fans. The future would be bleak if you got rid of the kids and wimmin.

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 17:19
re: Another thing that keeps people away

My Dad took me to the Riverside since it opened, and to AP a few times. I sat in the North Stand from 7 years old next to a group of 20 20'somethings. they swore their heads off. Did i find it intimidating? Yes. But also very exciting. I hope when the time comes that i take any kids i might have to the match that PC do-gooders like susy havent ruined the atmosphere for them. You've got no right to tell these people to stop swearing, many of whom have been going to the Riverside/AP long before women were even tolerated at football matches. If I had a choice of having to sit in silence with 35000 fans mid-table of the PL or be free to vent my anger (pretty much the only place that its accepted nowadays) with 5000 other free people in the Champoinship, League one or wherever we might be. People like you and SKY have robbed the game of everything that was great about it. Maybe if you all did stop coming the atmosphere would get back to what it used to be in the old days. FOOTBALL IS A GAME FOR WORKING CLASS PEOPLE. Understand this or fook off!

--- Post edited by Blain87 on 6/11 17:29 ---

heine Posted on 6/11 17:33
re: Another thing that keeps people away

how about banning people passing sweets down the row or
kids getting up to the toilet/burger bar every 5mins?

Boromart Posted on 6/11 17:37
re: Another thing that keeps people away

"FOOTBALL IS A GAME FOR WORKING CLASS PEOPLE." -- no it isn't it's a game for PEOPLE. It's inclusive regardless od race, gender, age or religion. It always has been. The global game, and an inclusive game.

If you really insist on a class 'owning' the sport, then look back to the early FA cup, Teams like Old Etonians, Old Carthusians, Oxford University, and Royal Engineers AFC all contested early FA cup finals. It wasn't working class at all. Working class people were too busy putting bread on the table to participate in sport. The working class people stole it from the upper class, the middle classes are now claiming it from the working class if thats how you want to view it.



--- Post edited by Boromart on 6/11 17:40 ---

skinemrippers Posted on 6/11 17:39
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I'm sorry but this is all complete rubbish Susy. If children can't be trusted to hear profanity and not repeat it then they are going to have bigger problems than the word k*ont. It's a rite of passage, everyone copies the older people and the bad things they do at some stage in their lives. I used to sit in the North Stand at ayrseome park at the Holgate end. I remember feeling brave one day and repeating "that was b***ocks ref, you're a ham shanker" I was promptly given a winder round the head by my dad and never swore again in front of him!

Lesson learned, I moved onto fags and booze after that for my next good hiding!

--- Post edited by skinemrippers on 6/11 17:40 ---

picknchooser Posted on 6/11 17:40
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Is this the sort of thing that should be banned?

Link: 80s throwback

Boromart Posted on 6/11 17:52
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picknchooser your link is broken

--- Post edited by Boromart on 6/11 17:53 ---

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 17:57
re: Another thing that keeps people away

This is how things should be.
Oh, what a wonderful world we live in!

Link: Pre match sing-a-long

aweeboro Posted on 6/11 19:02
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Susy

You have certainly rattled the cage. I fully agree with you Susy. Obviously swearing cannot, will not and perhaps should not be eliminated from football - it is an outlet - but some people could not care less and ram it in everone elses face. The problem has got worse as the idiots are now spread more evenly around the ground.

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 19:23
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Yes, football came out of the melting pot of public schools centuries ago but it was a working class game from then on. Hence it being played on a Saturday afternoon. When people had time off work. If it was a upper class game, it would have been played during the week, as the upper classes had plenty of spare time. Association Football has largely been for the lower classes to escape the harsh realities of life. For the most of last century it was a working class game.

If its a game for everyone, why are susy and the like trying to make the majority of fans feel unwelcome?

Professor_Popkiss Posted on 6/11 19:23
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Modern day "franchise soccer" is fookin crap.
You cannot enjoy yourself anymore at football. No singing, no swearing, no standing, no smoking, no falling asleep, twattish stewards, cheesey music drowning out the fans ..

I might as well sit at home and watch it, that is, if I can be arssed to!

Senor_Chester Posted on 6/11 19:44
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"I might sound soft saying it, but the argument of the working class being forced out of the game, all I can say is good"

You don't sound daft you just sound like the utter contemptable tvvat you are.

HolgateEnd Posted on 6/11 19:53
re: Another thing that keeps people away

In my opinion, one thing that is absolutely guaranteed is that if the club extends the rules to prevent swearing as well as everything else that is banned, they will lose a lot more fans that we'll lose because of swearing.

What people like you need to accept is that football is a game with such deep routed passion that people let themselves go a lot more than in everyday situations.

It's a man's game originally invented by and for working class men. Now the middle class, families-who-come-to-the-football-cos-it's-popular types have taken over it they want to change everything it was created for.

casey_99 Posted on 6/11 19:57
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Susy,
totally agree.
Swearing will never disappear but it doesn't have to be so constantly and harshly used, by a minority of supporters, with zero respect for anyone else's feeling.
I suspect EVERYONE wants a cracking atmosphere but families etc are not going to sing many of Boro's songs.
The Juninho-o-o-o song was sung loudly because everyone joined in. Same for Come On Boro,Red Army, One Stevie Gibson (or other suitable name). Same too for the PigBag clapping and Ee-i-oh'ing whether you like them or not.
Fact is not everyone will join in with All The Geordies or similar songs due to one or two swear words. Similar to various chants to opposing players, refs etc.
As others on here have done, I've told my son and godson not to repeat many of the words they'll hear. However, none of us joins in with much of the singing either due to the words being used. My kids don't hear me personally swear - it's just an example I wish to set.
Cracking atmospheres and families and kids can go together.
It just takes a few folks to take a deep breath, consider if their behaviour/language is contributing or affecting the atmosphere.
The Riverside need kids and families for a whole host of reasons.

HOGG1234 Posted on 6/11 20:06
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Not sure if said before but it's really just down to good manners, if kids are around then it's only good manners to calm it down.It makes me feel uncomfortable swearing around kids,but you have to expect some kind of banter and excited outbursts at sports matches especially the Boro.
Also been to the Falcons with the kids and there are some rough geordie twats who don't give a s hit.So it's not just football it's life in general and peoples values of there childrens upbringings!Less people seem to care now.

r0chey Posted on 6/11 20:16
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If you think that swearing is a problem/wrong at football then you shouldnt go - simple.

HolgateEnd Posted on 6/11 20:25
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Good manners????? What the fook? I cannot believe what I am reading.

It's a football match, not a primary school maths lesson.

It's very, very simple... if you dont like swearing (which is part and parcel of the game) then either sit in the West stand where the rest of the prawn sarnie brigade sit, or dont bother coming.

It's part of the game so, as the old saying goes, like it or lump it.

And as for not joining in the songs cos of the swearing in them, only a bloody boro fan could come out with that. Kind of explains why our atmosphere is so crap in one tiny sentence. Get a life.

wogga Posted on 6/11 20:42
re: Another thing that keeps people away

My dad took me to my first match at AP in 1967. He didn't take me any more because of the bad language.

Stingy auld fukcer.

casey_99 Posted on 6/11 20:47
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Holgate End
If the atmosphere is so bad as you imply, and we'd all like it to be better, try not swearing and getting songs started that all can join in with.
There used to be fighting and racism but they've gone and going to football is all the better for it.
It's hard to accept that swearing is part of game as you and others imply and if you don't like it you don't go. Was fighting and racism part of the game? I think not.
Let's just make it a better atmosphere for everyone.

HOGG1234 Posted on 6/11 20:55
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Some just go over the top in front of kids.Not the majority the minority if I know kids are around then i try to be careful.I dont always take my kids but I still have a bit of respect for other peoples kids!

onthemap Posted on 6/11 20:56
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Holgate end
Can you really say that you'd rather have the atmosphere we now have than the one when the stadium was full every week?
It was full with families who were introducing their children to the game and in some cases commiting to a season ticket for the first time themselves.
The point Susy makes is valid, a lot of the newcomers were shocked at the language and simply chose not to repeat the experience.
So it's simple, if using language in the way that you wish is more important than a full vibrant stadium then don't complain about empty seats and lack of atmosphere and ultimately the failure of the team.
Ask Gibson which he would prefer.

HolgateEnd Posted on 6/11 21:00
re: Another thing that keeps people away

No. There are enough rules and regulations as it is. And what about freedom of speech?

The atmosphere would be a whole lot better if the middle classes hadnt gotten hold of the game and out priced the real fans who went to vocally support their local team, rather than because football was popular and way to show off what you could afford to buy.

My stance on this argument is that if a kid is too young to hear swearing, they are too young to be at the match. If they attend an adult sport, which professional football is, they and their parents should be prepared for them to hear adult phrases and words. Whats next, the North Stand having to sing goo-goo-gaa-gaa for the really young 'uns who cant understand normal words?

Senor_Chester Posted on 6/11 21:04
re: Another thing that keeps people away

It's the reason I will probably end up stopping going to football soon. Someone on here complains about swearing and half the board agrees. Not for me anymore today's game.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 21:04
re: Another thing that keeps people away

What do you think the club - ie Gibson and Southgate want?

ThePrisoner Posted on 6/11 21:14
re: Another thing that keeps people away

It's only a matter of time before I get chucked out for swearing but fook 'em, it's their loss to the tune of £500+ per season.

You can complain when I turn up swearing in your kid's class or your WI meeting but until then, go away and leave watching football to football people.

beeline Posted on 6/11 21:20
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Susy, well done for fighting your corner. Why don't you put the idea of a family section to the club, and copy out this thread to back up your argument? It's always been a mystery to me why there is no 'Boy's End' at the Riverside - apart from the obvious financial reasons. Maybe the club may be more willing to listen now that Fordy has gone and crowds are low. That way everybody can have their cake and eat it.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 21:22
re: Another thing that keeps people away

They are all clearing off but you "football people" do nothing but complain about all the empty seats and lack of atmosphere.
At least the families got behind the crowd, you lot sit and look at each other until it's time to go.
Football people myarse.

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 21:25
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Its pointless debating this really. Swearing is often an involuntary action. Its an immediate reaction to what happens on the pitch. To get rid of it You would have to take away the people who's reaction to a bad tackle/good goal etc is 'fookin h£ll' or the like. Those are the people who make up a large proportion of our fanbase, given that we are an industrial town. If anough of these people stop going it will cease to be Middlesbrough Football Club.

And dont say 'people should show restraint blah blah blah'. Nobody wants to go to the game and have to watch what theyre saying and doing every second of their Saturday afternoon, simply to appease a small minority of the crowd. They have to do that 5 days a week in most working situations, due to the PC brigade. Dont take away their Saturdays too

onthemap Posted on 6/11 21:31
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I acually agree with that Blain.
The problem is not involuntarily swearing but the scum that think it's fine to use the c word in every sentence and then try to say that you should only take your kids if you are happy to listen to it.
And they are scum, whether it's a pub or a football stadium.

ThePrisoner Posted on 6/11 21:35
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"Why don't you put the idea of a family section to the club, and copy out this thread to back up your argument?"

I thought there was one? There certainly used to be one in the 'MacDonalds Stand' I believe, possibly the SE corner.

As for me, I was introduced via the East End at Ayresome then moved on to the SE corner then The Holgate. In those days you could get chucked out for NOT swearing. Happy days.

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 21:40
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I agree that people who cannot go 3 seconds without swearing are generally lowlife, but I cant help it if the ref misses a blatant handball in their area or Gook misses another sitter and i say ffs.

I also think that parents should trust their kids to be grown up enough to hear those people and see them for what they are. Unintelligent people. I saw people like that when i was growing up but i knew that that sort of language was not accepted in normal life by decent people. I also knew when involuntary swearing wasnt accepted and would have to bite my tongue. i.e. in front of my Mother/Women or at work/school etc.

beeline Posted on 6/11 21:43
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I wasn't aware of that. Well, in that case the solution is simple - ask for a transfer.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 21:51
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Problem is Blain that if you accept the swearing - and I'm not talking about natural involuntarily swearing - then it just let's the low life think that theirs is the right way.
It's a matter of fact that the stadium was once full of families who contributed to a wall of sound and the Danny Dyers have no argument against that.
If the ground was bouncing and the team flourishing as a result then Susy would have a flawed argument, but it's not and she hasn't.

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 21:55
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Susy dear, stay at home and bake some cakes. Now there's a good girl.

Misogyny [Women Are Bad]: ...weak, frail, feeble, inferior, promiscuous and made to serve man. ‘you are Eve. ...You are the port and gate of the devil.’ - John Knox , The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women, 1558

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 21:59
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I disagree mappy. Most of the families i have encountered at the game have not contributed to the atmosphere. Quite the opposite, in fact. They dont want to join in the singing because they are uncomfortable swearing in front of their kids and often are the ones asking people to sit down and stop swearing. If people dont listen they tell a steward.

I think that families have the opposite effect on football. Because the 18-25 year olds that made such a good atmosphere in the past are made to feel giulty about the way they support their team they stop coming. This is proven by the fact that 25000 people dont make as much as half that number did at AP, because the 25000 are populated by women and children

onthemap Posted on 6/11 22:00
re: Another thing that keeps people away

That Pat, is the only argument you have left. Well done Susy.

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 22:04
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I think somebody above summed it up perfectly.

Stopping people swearing would lose a hell of a lot more fans than swearing itself does

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 22:05
re: Another thing that keeps people away

onthemap, no doubt you are one of these middle class wannabes who absolutely no idea about life in general.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 22:18
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Nearly Pat, born opposite Albert Park, lived in town before Netherfields, then travelled a bit, so if that makes me middle class then so be it. Bet it differs from your definition though.
It's a case of having standards or not, simple really.
Ask Southgate if he say's the c word in front of his kids - go on don't avoid the question what is he a middle class t**t - is Gibson?

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 22:27
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Well we all know what Gibson would say in public but if You really want to know how He feels on the subject of swearing at matches then all you have to do is look at the current policy in place at MFC.

No swearing ban so i geuss he understands its part and parcel of the matchday experience and has no intention of attemtping to change this

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 22:27
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Key word 'wannabe'.
If swearing at the match is such an issue then why hasn't it been brought up before?

onthemap Posted on 6/11 22:34
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Listen boys here's one simple question, are you comfortable with a stranger shouting the word C##t in your daughters face or are you more than an animal?
A simple answering of the question will suffice - over to you.

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 22:36
re: Another thing that keeps people away

This season, you will no doubt be delighted to know, will be my last season ticket regardless of whether or not we get relegated.
Had enough of can't do this, can't do that just to please others. When the shoite hits the fan these 'jump on the bandwagon' specialists will be on their way and then I might consider coming back. Shame, isn't it?

onthemap Posted on 6/11 22:38
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And that answered the question how exactly?

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 22:39
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Obviously not but when has anybody ever shouted that at a small girl?

Answer is dont sit near the away fans, as that is the only way it would happen.

Also, If you dont want your daughter to hear those words indirectly then dont bring her to the game. Theres alot of things parents wouldnt want their kids to see. i.e. A kid being beaten up at school but there are some things you cant protect them from. Swearing at football matches is one of those things.

I cant believe this topic has had so many posts. I thought it was a joke when i first read it.

kazzaxxx Posted on 6/11 22:41
re: Another thing that keeps people away

you opened a can of worms here susy

pat_the_cat Posted on 6/11 22:42
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Going to bed.
Love and peace to all mankind.

onthemap Posted on 6/11 22:50
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I'm doing my best to take onboard your argument and it seems to revolve around, well if you don't like it don't go, whilst comparing the Riverside experience with that of school.
The problem with that is that when an option not to go is available then decent folk will excercise that right ie football, that's not applicable with education or schools, so your argument that shouting c##t in a young girls face is inevitable and unavoidable is just you grasping at straws.
Answer the question. do you think Gibson and Sothgate encourage strangers shouting c##t even within earshot of their kids - think of that even within earshot?

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 23:10
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I dont think you understand what im saying. Im saying that i have never ever ever ever ever seen or heard of a Boro fan swearing directly at a little girl.

My argument is this.....

Football is a predominantly a place where men go to relieve stress and release emotion and tension. Some do this by swearing at the referee or players. Women and children are very welcome to come along and enjoy the experience. The more the merrier, as long as these people dont detract from the enjoyment of the mainstay of people who have kept the game going for the last 100 years. If the only way families can come to the game and enjoy it is by stopping people from enjoying it in their way, as they have for many years before the famlies even thought about coming then I stand by the people who have been the lifeblood of the game their entire lives. It is the people who come and try and force themselves and their values on others that must give way im afraid.

I could liken the situation to Great Britain realising that we are more civilised than many African or South American tribes and taking it upon themselves to enjoy their countries and then having the audacity to complain about animal sacrafices because they offend them.

Please understand I do not condone swearing at little girls.

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onthemap Posted on 6/11 23:22
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So the ones on this thead are liars because you've never heard those words at a Boro match?
Admit it, it's just too hard to admit for some.

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 23:24
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Unbelievable!

Understand, there is a difference between swearing at somebody and swearing in front of somebody.

Whats so hard?

Blain87 Posted on 6/11 23:24
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double post

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cargofleet Posted on 6/11 23:55
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you have done well tonight susy , another one going to vote with his feet and money along with pat the cat . i have been going for more years than i care to admit to , trust me its been a long time , but you and your p.c.friends have finally won and i,ll have to start watching it in the pub .

onthemap Posted on 6/11 23:56
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I need to clarify something.
This thread has concentrated on how screaming the c word is unacceptable, your suporters appeared and argued the merit of using that word and the frequency and normality with which it is used.
Now you argue it doesnt happen?

number_10 Posted on 7/11 0:06
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No swearing at the football? Fuhck sake, what next?

addison_road Posted on 7/11 0:07
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I've no problem with swearing at the match...as long as folks around you are adult....but last Saturday a guy was shouting the 'C' word when a 10yr old kid was sat next to him.The Father of the kid looked a little concerned....If I was the Father,I would have had a word!!

onthemap Posted on 7/11 0:17
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Intead he may never come back again. No worries we've 35'000 chavs who turn up every week... or not - fanatics not.

gravy_boat Posted on 7/11 10:06
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Onthemap. Your suggestion that the Riverside has thousands of empty seats because all the families and kids that started coming when the stadium opened have now stopped, because there is too much swearing is, quite frankly, the biggest pile of horseshit I've ever heard in my life.

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onthemap Posted on 7/11 10:07
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Truth hurt that much?

Boromart Posted on 7/11 10:13
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Bruce Requests no missile throwing or swearing!

It's funny how somepeople seemt ot hink it was acceptable in the 80s. It wasn't it's just easier to police it now through all seater stadium and there is less segregation of families than there used to be.

gravy_boat Posted on 7/11 10:18
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'Truth hurt that much'

What are you on about? Are you seriously telling me you think there is 10000 empty seats, because there is too much swearing?

Boromart Posted on 7/11 10:20
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I think he is saying a proportion of people don't go due entirely to the swearing around them, and a bigger proportion of people don't go partly influenced by the swearing.

SuperBokSupper Posted on 7/11 10:23
re: Another thing that keeps people away

If hearing sombody sayCunt is the worst thing to happen in a childs life then thats not such a bad thing.

They are going to hear the word and use the word in later life, just as many will get drunk, do drugs, smoke, have unsafe sex, commit crime.
If you wrap em up in cotton wool they have no fookin chance in the real world.

"I agree that people who cannot go 3 seconds without swearing are generally lowlife"

What an absolutely stupid comment.

I swear a lot when talking to friends or work colleagues and I think I am a fine and upstanding person in our society. To judge some one by the language they use is pure pretentiousness and is extremely shallow.

onthemap Posted on 7/11 10:25
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Boromart has it about right.

kermit_the_smog Posted on 7/11 10:27
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Should be more worried about the players actions as theyre generally a childs hero/role model.

I wish it was the 80s i wish i could be happy, i wish, i wish, i wish that something would happen.

towz Posted on 7/11 10:28
re: Another thing that keeps people away

The vast majority of stayaways would rather watch it in the pub. Even if they couldn't watch it in the pub most of these people wouldn't pay the prices to go again regularly as they've lost interest for many reasons. People who don't go because they may hear a bit of swearing, quite frankly obviously aren't very interested in the Boro.

gravy_boat Posted on 7/11 10:29
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Well that proportion, relatively speaking, will be tiny. If there are even 500 people who don't go because of swearing, I'd be surprised.

This is one of onthemaps quotes:

'So it's simple, if using language in the way that you wish is more important than a full vibrant stadium then don't complain about empty seats and lack of atmosphere and ultimately the failure of the team'

It appears fairly obvious to me, not only is he suggesting the lack of fans and atmosphere is basically down to swearing, but ultimately also the failure of the team!

So you heard it here first - thanks to onthemap:

Boro aren't doing very well, because too many fans swear at matches. Oh and Gareth and Steve don't like it.

Which, lets be perfectly honest, is absolute rubbish.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 10:32
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kermit - where do we go from here?

gravy - I don't think anyone can quantify the reasons why people don't stay away, none of us are qualified to do so. Just because you know 20 people that prefer the pub and no one that hates the swearing that isn't enough to quantify, not when 10K people are missing.

boroborn Posted on 7/11 10:35
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Just reading this thread makes me not want to go to the Riverside.

If your offended by bad language don't take your children to the fuking match you fuking idiot?

fuk off and watch rugby, ice hockey or some other middle class shyte.

As for you Turner - your a fuking turnip.

gravy_boat Posted on 7/11 10:38
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Give over mart. Are you trying to play devils advocat or what?

There are 3 main reasons for empty seats:

1. Football isn't football anymore, and die-hard fans are being turned off by the watering down, americanised experience we now get. I am one of them.

2. It's too expensive

3. We're not very good, so don't attract the casual fan.

The proportion of fans who don't go due to swearing will be tiny. And yes, of course I don't know this for certain , but I'd be prepared to place a large wager that I'm right.

If it was cheaper, and we were doing well, the stadium would be a lot more full, swearing or no swearing.

towz Posted on 7/11 10:41
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spot on gravy_boat

Huan_Kerr Posted on 7/11 10:42
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1) We are doing badly.
2) The football played is dour.
3) Its too expensive.
4) There arent any individuals. (eg TLF and Rav)
5) Its on in the pub.
6) The players get paid too much.
7) Getting to and from the ground is a pain.
8) No Euro games to spice up the season.
9) Poor atmosphere.
10) The isnt a realistic chance of winning anything.
11) There's no routine anymore, games on different days and times.
12) Kids have a much wider choice of things to do.
13) The pubs are open all day now.


74) Bernie Slaven's put people off.

94) People swear at the game.

Woodymfc Posted on 7/11 10:43
re: Another thing that keeps people away

We should teach our kids to booooooo
It seems to be all the rage

onthemap Posted on 7/11 10:45
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Gravy, I'll spell it out.
The general consensus is that we don't now fill the stadium.
When we did it was partly down to new fans.
A lot of those new fans were of the happy clappy, family foam hand type.
A large proportion of them do not now attend.
One of the reasons they don't now attend is that they don't particularly like the idea of exposing their children to extremely bad language.
Now you might not want an atmosphere that attracts them back but, and this is where you need to concentrate, t h e c l u b d o !

towz Posted on 7/11 10:48
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The atmosphere ahas always been shitat the riverside.

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kermit_the_smog Posted on 7/11 10:50
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Boromart - the words are coming out all abusive where are you now? when Boro need you.

towz Posted on 7/11 10:56
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Here's what I think. The club had over-inflated crowds following the move to the RIverside, Robbo revlotuion, Juninho, Rava etc.
All the plastic Boro fans jumped on the bandwagon and got season tickets. Sustained for a season or two, corners filled in. Plastics get fed up after a while, realising we're never going to win the league. Gates drop for successive seasons, relegation, MAclaren, etc. WHile Gates dropping club tries to get plastics back by trying to be more and more PC and family friendly, alienating a lot of the die-hards (who'd rather watch in the pub on foreign satellite). While crowds and entertainment value goes down, prices and players wages keep going up. End result - we're never goign to fill the Riverside regularly again.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 7/11 10:57
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300!

Susy, you're running riot!

Boromart Posted on 7/11 10:58
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gravy, I just feel the game should be inclusive, the reverse-snobbery attitude of some fans is silly and pointless.

We need as many people as possible to support the club in anyway they can wether they be roadsweepers or managing directors, young or old, black or white. Reverse-snobbery is as silly and divisive as racism. Just like there are plenty of indian people I like, there are also plenty of 'posh' people I like and plenty of working class people.

I personally think the answer is to have a bigger better family section, where swearing is not tolerated.

North Stand can swear ll they like, and I'll join in too.

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gravy_boat Posted on 7/11 10:59
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I'm concentrating perfectly well thankyou.

I'll spell it out.

You're suggesting that swearing is one of the main reason for the casual fan staying away. I think that is absolute twaddle.

As Haun pointed out there are so many other, more important, reasons why crowds are down. I simply cannot understand how you can possibly think that swearing is a reason for families staying away. These same sensitive families and children didn't seem to mind whilst we had a full stadium for the best part of 10 years.

Did they suddenly think 'You know what, I can't put up with an 11th season of swearing - lets stop going'? Rubbish.

And why do you keep going on about the club want? How can you possibly know the club want fans to stop swearing, so more people come back. When has this even been even nearly suggested by anyone from within the club? You've just made it up.

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BoroStu Posted on 7/11 11:01
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"I think he is saying a proportion of people don't go due entirely to the swearing around them, and a bigger proportion of people don't go partly influenced by the swearing."

Yes, that seemed to be his and Susy's main point of argument all through yesterday.

They did, however, completely ignore my point that when you see televised matches you often see the supporters giving players rock all, kids included (and you can quite easily make out what they're all shouting), and you see this in grounds that are full to overflowing, as well as grounds like ours that aren't.

Which implied that our supporters are fannys and are put off by some bad language.

Which, as someone else has also said, is the biggest pile of horseshit ever.

gravy_boat Posted on 7/11 11:08
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mart, my argument isn't about whether swearing is acceptable or not. Personally, I think if you go to a match with your children, you've got to expect a certain amount of bad langauge. That said, I also believe that grown men should be able to control themselves to a degree. You can make a consious decision about what you are and are not saying when children are about.

My argument is that the suggestion that swearing is one of the main reasons for dwindling crowds, is complete rubbish.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 11:15
re: Another thing that keeps people away

I agree it isn't one of the 2 or 3 main reasons. But I agree that it is still a reason and is damamging some peoples enjoyment of the game.

The primary reason is undoubtedly the fact that we don't win enough games. The lack of hope that brings filters through to the atmosphere, and the attendances, which then makes people question other things they had put up with.

The prices have remained stagnent for 3 seasons? In REAL terms that is a decrease when inflation is taken into account. Yet more people went three years ago, if price alone was a factor then they would have stopped then as it was actually mroe expensive. The facilities around the stadium and travel have been the same for 10 years, so that doesn't add up. Yes there is more on TV, but we have had sellouts when live on sky in the past so I don't think that alone is a factor.

The best solution to falling attendances is a winning team.

BoroStu Posted on 7/11 11:46
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"Yes there is more on TV, but we have had sellouts when live on sky in the past so I don't think that alone is a factor."

Not alone, no. But what about the pubs that show home and away games on foreign tele? I know a fair few people who watch the match in the pub and spend their money on beers at the same time - which annoys the Hell out of me since at the moment I can't afford to go and would give my right arm to be at the match!

Boromart Posted on 7/11 11:53
re: Another thing that keeps people away

that is part of the problem, but what can the club do to address that?

onthemap Posted on 7/11 12:01
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There is only one reason you won't accept that some parents choose not to expose their children to bad language.
You don't have kids.

gravy_boat Posted on 7/11 12:18
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Look, if we're going to have a debate onthemap, at least try and do it properly, without making things up as you go along.

At which point have I said I don't accept some parents choose not to expose their children to swearing? Please do point out where I have stated that.

My last post actually says that I think fans should be able to control SOME of their language, if there are small children around. Of course there will be SOME people that don't go because of it. The percentage of these people, in relation to the amount of empty seats, will be extremely small.

I'll say it once again. Your suggestion that swearing is a big factor in lower crowds is utter twaddle. There there were a million reasons for lower crowds, swearing would be about the 951,256th.

r0chey Posted on 7/11 12:19
re: Another thing that keeps people away

If you 'protect' your kids from Swearing and other real life situations, they are in for a big shock in later life, and will most likely be soft little sh_ites, scared of everyone and everything.

BoroStu Posted on 7/11 12:27
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"that is part of the problem, but what can the club do to address that? "

Wasn't there a thing not so long back involving the local bill in going around the pubs in the town centre and any showing illegal channels would have their license revoked by the council?


"There is only one reason you won't accept that some parents choose not to expose their children to bad language.
You don't have kids."

And equally, you seem to believe you should be telling people what they can and can't say around children because you do have kids.

For the record, one of my ex-girlfriends had a young son (not mine but while I was with her I treated him as such). When we had him with us we curbed out language, as adults do day-in, day-out (you wouldn't for example, find me standing up in the middle of the office now after a computer crash and shouting expletives at the top of my voice) and apart from the occasional slip he never heard a word of swearing from us. However on more than one occasion when we were out (shopping, out for tea, etc) there were people around us who would swear, but in a public place you just can't tell people what they can and can't say.

Which is exactly the same at the match.

onthemap Posted on 7/11 12:32
re: Another thing that keeps people away

Loutish behaviour is avoided by decent people the world over, what makes you think they act differently because it's a football match?

Huan_Kerr Posted on 7/11 12:37
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But they do.

gravy_boat Posted on 7/11 12:39
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So why do the Geordies get 52000, Arsenal 60000, Manure 75000?

Is there no swearing at St James Park, The Emirates or Old Trafford?

r0chey Posted on 7/11 12:46
re: Another thing that keeps people away

To suggest that the empty seats are because of swearing is even funnier than the whole point of the thread.

Mat_Evans Posted on 7/11 12:50
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This thread should called "i don't like the C word used in front of my kids at the match." Which to an extent is fair enough. It seems to me, susy doesn't mind a bit of swearing at the match just not THAT word. Am i right?

To call for swearing to be done away with at a football match, is absolutely ludicrous. There does have to be a middle ground because lets face it, the riverside is not just occupied by blokes these days. The only solution is a true family enclosure which stipulates a family atmosphere as a must.

I was took in the holgate at the age of 8, but he wouldn't take me up until that age. Maybe those with children should consider, the age which they'd like to expose their kids to the match day experience. Each case is probably a little different.

At the end of the day, swearing is part and parcel of football like it or lump it. Come the visit of villa to the riverside in a few weeks time i shall no doubt, be telling the ref he's a fu(king cheat or telling Barry he's a dirty barsteward.

BoroStu Posted on 7/11 12:50
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"...what makes you think they act differently because it's a football match?"

To echo Huan_Kerr, they do.

I'm not as we speak hurling abuse at all and sundry in the office, however when the Geordies come to town I'll give their players rock all for 90+ minutes.

Although, I'm a lout though, obviously, and part of the problem of our low attendances, along with most of the other people on this board.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 13:08
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"you seem to believe you should be telling people what they can and can't say around children because you do have kids." -- it's whats known as parental responsibility, equally peoples ability to act with a bit of dignity and restraint around others is called social responsibility and to an extent susy was right, there are a decent number of people who lack ANY social responsibility on a matchday.

BoroStu Posted on 7/11 13:45
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"it's whats known as parental responsibility, equally peoples ability to act with a bit of dignity and restraint around others is called social responsibility and to an extent susy was right, there are a decent number of people who lack ANY social responsibility on a matchday."

If part of your parental responsibility precludes placing children in an environment where there will be ANY swearing then they're pretty much screwed as far as leaving the house goes. As well as that, it's a parent's job to identify the situations they will happily place their children in. If one of these isn't a football match where there will be swearing then the answer is a pretty simple one - don't take them until you're sure that they can cope with it.

And I agree there are people on a matchday who will just mouth and mouth without saying anything other than expletives, but to put the emphasis on it that she and others have regarding people staying away from the ground is mistaken.

Vincent75 Posted on 7/11 13:49
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Do people who worry so much about their kids hearing bad language school them at home?

ccole Posted on 7/11 14:04
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"Do people who worry so much about their kids hearing bad language at school?"

Vincent, it has already been pointed out that people who use that excuse are irresponsible parents.

Boromart Posted on 7/11 15:59
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"If part of your parental responsibility precludes placing children in an environment where there will be ANY swearing then they're pretty much screwed as far as leaving the house goes. As well as that, it's a parent's job to identify the situations they will happily place their children in. " -- so therefore you think a good parent should keep a child at home, at ALL time! Nope as a member of SOCIETY, it is EVERY individuals responsibility not to act anti-socially. In fact it's the law of the land, but hey according to some on here it's the parents fault for daring to take them out for some entertainment. What a weird world we live in.

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BoroStu Posted on 7/11 16:09
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"so therefore you think a good parent should keep a child at home, at ALL time! Nope as a member of SOCIETY, it is EVERY individuals responsibility not to act anti-socially. In fact it's the law of the land, but hey according to some on here it's the parents fault for daring to take them out for some entertainment."

No, I don't think a good parent should keep their kid at home ALL the time.

What I said was if you don't want your child to hear ANY swearing then you're knackered if you want to let them leave the house, since swearing is part of our language and in general use so there is NO way to protect them from it 100%.

I wish people would stop making out that the parents of kids who don't want to hear swearing at a match are so hard done by. "They want to take their kids to the football for the afternoon but have it ruined because of people shouting foul language" - oh boo-bloody-hoo. There's plenty of other things you can do if you don't want to have kids in that environment. If you want to enjoy the match yourself AND take your child then accept the consequences of that, that they might hear from someone else language that you wouldn't use in front of them at home (which, to be fair, they've probably already heard AND used themselves at school).

Boromart Posted on 7/11 16:12
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yes but a lot of kids love their footy, live for their footy, they should be able to go without being subject to foul-mouthed drunken idiots, and I include myself in that description.

BoroStu Posted on 7/11 16:24
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"yes but a lot of kids love their footy, live for their footy, they should be able to go without being subject to foul-mouthed drunken idiots, and I include myself in that description."

Then they should sit over in the West where it's less likely to be heard.

And you should stop going to protect any that sit near you.

Personally, I'm going to carry on going (and I'm not a drunken idiot when there, since I drive to the games) and venting my frustrations if I feel the need. If there are kids around me I'll lay off "fook" and "coont" as much as humanly possible, but if Dong Goal Less misses an absolute sitter it's going to be: "How the fook did he miss that!?" and if the Ref gives a dodgy pen against us it'll more than likely be "fook off Ref you useless coont!"

speckyget Posted on 7/11 16:57
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I take exception to those who say that it is the working class who go to football to swear.

As Speckyget has admitted, the frustrated lower middle classes who can't swear at home or at work pays their money to go to the games and cuss their to their hearts content.

One of us is certainly frustrated about something Ridders. What's the matter, can't get all that peevishness out of your system? You should go to football or something.

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Blain87 Posted on 7/11 17:04
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On my row there are about 10 lads my age who all swear when the situation calls for it.

There is one man with his child.

If this man is not happy, which he may or may not be, with us swearing, should me and 10 other paying customers leave forever and never come back? Or should the guy leave the kid at home until he feels its acceptable for us to swear in front of him?

Thats what it boils down to. Although the ratio is probably far greater in my favour

sw2boro Posted on 7/11 17:34
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Why do people reckon that being anti-swearing is PC?

I've got a mouth like a sewer on occasions but agree with gay adoption.

Disliking swearing is much more of an aspirational Corporately Correct thing.

Claret_BlueVilla1 Posted on 7/11 18:43
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Susy,

While the sentiments of you post are touching, i dont think they are particularly relative.

Football is as inclusive as its ever been,you have choice,families and disabled are catered for,prawn sandwiches a plenty if your in a box.

If you dont like the language sit somewhere else,in my 20s i frequented the Holte End at Villa,im a little older now and sit in the Witton with my son,no problem at all.

It strikes me that you are just looking for excuses because Middlebrough are not achieving and are therefore attracting passive supporters who like to bleat but have no real love for their football club.

Maybe you should just go,week in week out,and appreciate what you have.

SirLofty Posted on 7/11 19:46
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I am only posting so this thread stays up and reaches 1000

Thank you
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radiogaga Posted on 7/11 20:03
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Thank fook for that.




I thought Speckyget was never going to answer!!!

RedWurzel Posted on 7/11 20:22
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Oh I remember those jolly good old days in the Holgate and we would say "play up Mr Woof" or "better luck next time Mr Ashcroft" after finishing a cumcumber sandwich and lemonade.

I'm afraid Football is sanitised enough for me at present any more and it will be like watching QVC.

dibzzz Posted on 8/11 0:22
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Part of the game luv, now arn't you best staying at home and doing the ironing or something?