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SmoggyOnTheSolent Posted on 24/11 16:34
Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I asked earlier wether McLaren should be brought back and a massive majority said NO....... Now should we sack Southgate?

YES or No?

Yes for me.

angelmatty Posted on 24/11 16:35
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Yes

Even though we always lose to Villa

Reverend_Comfort Posted on 24/11 16:35
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YES

another_waster Posted on 24/11 16:35
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No

Give him time, we will save it in January

allied_assault Posted on 24/11 16:36
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Absolutely YES.

Or get someone to help him other than Colin Cooper.

Islandstone Posted on 24/11 16:36
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No

Block_15 Posted on 24/11 16:36
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YES

Tuncay Posted on 24/11 16:36
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YES THE WHOLE LOT OF THE STAFF!!

rigblast Posted on 24/11 16:37
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yes but should he have got the job in the first place .
the coaching set up "could we afford to sack them when mclaren went ? "

richboro Posted on 24/11 16:37
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never thought i would say this, but it's getting stupid now.

yes.

elnino1 Posted on 24/11 16:38
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Yes, but would prefer him to resign

holgate69 Posted on 24/11 16:38
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Yes afraid so.

boro74 Posted on 24/11 16:38
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NO!NO!NO!

He has a 5 year contract. Let him fulfil it. Even if we should go down, give him the chance to get us back up.

mad_frankie Posted on 24/11 16:38
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This poll is irrelevant,Emperor Nero will never admit what is in front of his face and will fiddle while Rome burns.
The yes men and ass kissers around him will be getting their 'Yes Steve,your always right Steve' scripts ready as we speak,including may many people on this board.

SmoggyOnTheSolent Posted on 24/11 16:39
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12 Yes
2 No

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kmorrisuk Posted on 24/11 16:39
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Yes we need someone new in that will have time to be prepared for the transfer window.

Islandstone Posted on 24/11 16:39
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Are you serious, boro74?

mm40 Posted on 24/11 16:40
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I would give him until Christmas and if we are still in a mess then bring in paul jewell with money to spend, he would keep us up.

boro74 Posted on 24/11 16:40
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Yeah, tell me what's wrong with honouring a contract...

cliffyboro Posted on 24/11 16:42
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Absolutely, definitely YES!!

Its embarrassing.

boro_in_lincoln Posted on 24/11 16:42
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The bloke is a legend, but enough's enough.

YES

Julio_Smoggio Posted on 24/11 16:42
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NO

SmoggyOnTheSolent Posted on 24/11 16:42
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Boro74 we couldn't afford to go down - we would never have the resources to get back up. If we go down now we will be in bother for years to come.

SirLofty Posted on 24/11 16:42
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

c64glen Posted on 24/11 16:43
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Yes; without change we will be relegated.

smoggieinmanc Posted on 24/11 16:43
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yes

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 24/11 16:44
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I feel sorry for him but YES

However, he should never have been appointed in the first place.

I 100% blame Gibson for our current predicament.

Islandstone Posted on 24/11 16:45
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"Yeah, tell me what's wrong with honouring a contract..."

Nothing, I was just wondering mate=)

boro74 Posted on 24/11 16:46
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IF we go down, how will the other teams in the division have better resources than us?

SmoggyOnTheSolent Posted on 24/11 16:49
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Because I believe we will need to shed a load of players and then re-sign others....... and I couldn't see Gibson allowing big signings whilst we were in that division for fear of Prem wages being on the books.

Look at just about every team who have been relegated in the last few years - if they haven't come back up quickly then they have ended in bother.

uptheboro79 Posted on 24/11 16:50
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No. We need to spend big in Jan and need the likes of Arca and Mido playing regularly.

SmoggyOnTheSolent Posted on 24/11 16:52
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I hope you right mate but I don't believe we have any money to spend.

Smogs_mek_me_laff Posted on 24/11 16:53
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Southgate IN!

Islandstone Posted on 24/11 16:54
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What about the 11m£ we got for Yakubu?

GripNRip Posted on 24/11 16:54
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Can't score goals, no chance of a good goalscorer coming in January either, which player of that calibre is going to join a relegation battle.

SmoggyOnTheSolent Posted on 24/11 16:54
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Southgate send we spent it on Mido and Woodgate

Orlando2Boro Posted on 24/11 16:56
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I wanted him to be successful but YES I think he should go.

SmoggyOnTheSolent Posted on 24/11 16:56
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24 yes
3 no

Oh Dear

boat Posted on 24/11 17:05
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yes
never should have got the job

holgateoldskool Posted on 24/11 17:08
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes - grateful for what he did as a player but we need to look forward and I am afraid Gareth is taking us backwards.

nathan123 Posted on 24/11 17:11
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YES HES S***T CANT STAND HIM GET RID OF SCHWZER TOO

kmorrisuk Posted on 24/11 17:12
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let be honest just cause we think he should be sacked doesn't mean it will happen we have a history of sticking with a manager for too long

pontopikey Posted on 24/11 17:12
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Yes he is a feckin joke

gookforgoldenboot Posted on 24/11 17:13
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Yes

Shut the door on the way out gareth

shineybonce Posted on 24/11 17:13
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yes. or do the decent thing and resign.

guyb Posted on 24/11 17:14
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

To quote Doctor Who

"I'm Sorry, I'm so sorry"

but not withstanding Everton, it's a yes.

SoyDelBoro Posted on 24/11 17:14
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YES

get rid he is miles out of his depth

MidosHead Posted on 24/11 17:15
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No

I cant see another manager changing our situation, lets back him and the team he selects. Its a relegation battle and we all need to get behind the team to support them through thick and thin...

boroborn Posted on 24/11 17:15
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He should walk, clearly out of his depth.

andynutbar Posted on 24/11 17:15
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No

Bring in venables to help

Jonny_Greenings_sock Posted on 24/11 17:19
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Probably not.

pat_the_cat Posted on 24/11 17:20
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Wait till January? What the hell are you thinking of?
Go before it is too late and take a few of the other freeloaders with you.
Gibson needs to get his head out of his rse and sort it out. It is only a matter of time before we get dragged into the bottom three. Thank God for Blunderland.

bevo2005 Posted on 24/11 17:20
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes: We are heading for disaster. I dont buy this shhit that a new manager wont be able to change the situation, because a GOOD manager could.

kermit_the_smog Posted on 24/11 17:21
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If Venables couldnt help McClaren with Englands 'superstars' then I don't see what Venables is gonna do with our championship assembled squad.

br14 Posted on 24/11 17:22
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

If he goes it has to be now to give an incoming manager time to assess the squad before the January transfer window.

I doubt it will happen though.

mcbrid Posted on 24/11 17:26
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes - and send Woodgate with him

Timmy_Magic Posted on 24/11 17:27
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Yes.

Ricky_Grifon Posted on 24/11 17:27
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Get Rid Now

mishmash Posted on 24/11 17:37
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By jove yes

Tom_Fun Posted on 24/11 17:40
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes

Fatsuma Posted on 24/11 17:43
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No.

We are still only 3 points off 12th place.

We need Arca, we need Mido, we need another 2 strikers in January.

It's going to be really tough, but I believe that there are so many other poor teams that we can still stay up.

And that would be a great success for us this season!

gravy173 Posted on 24/11 17:44
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yes

Ste_1986 Posted on 24/11 17:45
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Fatsuma who are you trying to kid ?

That was bloody pathetic and its obvious the players dont play for southgate, they're not scared of him its just going through the god damn motions !

Ste_1986 Posted on 24/11 17:45
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oh and yes sack him !

lifelongboro Posted on 24/11 17:57
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YES YES YES YES AND YESSSSSS.....does that count as 5 votes? Just imagine the ad if u will for a manager at a top company in any industry...would it read..NO EXPERIENCE OR QUALIFICATIONS NECESSARY?....no..and sorry but i blame gibson stupid appointment and perleez spend the yak money in the window....

Fatsuma Posted on 24/11 18:03
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I'm not trying to kid anyone Ste.

Are we still only 3 points off 12th place. Yes

Do we need Arca, Mido, and another 2 strikers in January. Yes.

Is it going to be really tough. Yes.

Are there several other really poor teams. Yes.

Would staying up be a great success for us this season. Yes.


I'm just soberly stating some facts and some well reasoned points of view.

Just because my view on the merits of sacking Southgate differs from yours doesn't mean that either of us is trying to kid the other.

Juno_Legend Posted on 24/11 18:16
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Absolutely, starting to show he's way out of his depth, ruining the squad and replacing it with garbage.

I've completely had enough now, I hear paper talk of Boro desperate to sign James Beattie/Rangers Garbage/Random Asians and it makes me think, where is our money going?

We pay up to £40+ to see us get beat every week, Upwards of £40 For the shirt that's not worth £1 and I resent it more when its made by some gash make noone's every really heard of, if it was Nike/Adidas with all its fancy gimmicks you wouldnt mind so much but paying all that money for a second hand rugby shirt just isnt on.

Then all the money we pay plus the ridiculous amounts of money we're apparently getting for being in the premier league and what are we putting it towards?

I've really had enough.

coll2048 Posted on 24/11 18:23
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Yes yes yes

ThePrisoner Posted on 24/11 18:34
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Yes

parmoandstella Posted on 24/11 18:35
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Yes from me, never thaught i'd want a boro manager sacked, but its time

bear66 Posted on 24/11 18:38
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More chance of the Goal Celebration Music going than Southgate . . . actually good ploy; keep Southgate and there will be no more Goal Celebration Music . . . a NO here . . only joking

Grrreds Posted on 24/11 18:40
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absolutely, undoubtably, yes

wokingmassive Posted on 24/11 18:48
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes

(too young and inexperienced for the job in the first place, and our current position under lines it)

rick4974 Posted on 24/11 18:51
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sorry gareth but yes!

i cant stand going to the matches anymore, i just dont enjoy it.
hence the reason why i spent most of the match posting on here on my mobile.
the club cocked my season ticket up at the beginning of the season so i renewed on the opening day of the season but cunningly i have told boro i will pay for my ticket weekly after stumping up £190 deposit.
when we played tottenham, i went to pick up ticket and the ticket woman told me i had to pay another £150 off my season ticket, i said no, she just looked at me. i said to her i dont want to go through with paying it off as we are not getting value for money. hence the free ticket today.
i dont wanna go anymore, i love boro but i cant take this shiit anymore. its depressing.

SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE

Fangdango Posted on 24/11 18:51
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Nope, out of Robson, McClaren and the Gate, I reckon he is the most likely to make it long term, short term, he needs help

Timmy_Magic Posted on 24/11 19:49
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someone count?

our_mam Posted on 24/11 19:56
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes,Yes.Yes along with Cooper.

boro1980 Posted on 24/11 20:02
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100% yes

markof_dboro Posted on 24/11 20:03
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YES ..................SORRY GS

gufter Posted on 24/11 20:03
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yes get rid now

jd1973 Posted on 24/11 20:04
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Yes.

Rio_Verde Posted on 24/11 20:27
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I've said it before and I'll say it again..get shot of the novice.

marshall_jaffacake Posted on 24/11 20:45
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Today reminded me of the time just before El Tel came in, in that it occured to me that the time when you should get rid of your manager is the time when you ask yourself "who could do better?"
If you come up with alternatives like, "oh I think Jewell would be ok" or "What about Martin Jol?" then you're not really there. I feel that if the answer to that question is "anybody" then its time for the gaffer to go, I was borderline with the answer to that question at 14:55 today, by full time we'd leapt across it.

He's got to go, we're making huge strides backwards by the week.

I would feel better if we got rid of Southgate and worry about alternatives afterwards. WE're at rock bottom and have to stop the rot first and foremost.

(And before anybody says "we're not in the bottom 3 yet", did you watch that today????)

Sceptic_Frank Posted on 24/11 21:00
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I'm going to say No.

I'm not blind to the fact we're in trouble. All sorts of trouble. But Southgate was always going to be the long haul or not at all.

For me he deserves the chance to try and turn it round. I fully understand why people think he should go though.

shepshed_boro Posted on 24/11 21:08
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

as much as it hurts to say it....I'm afraid I'm another yes....he seems out of his depth.....plus these 300 mile round trips to watch this shiote is becoming an absolute pain!

Bren_MFC Posted on 24/11 21:13
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Yes....................why is it always left on the brink by Gibson though, its like he keeps his fingers crossed or something.

Bully_Boy Posted on 24/11 21:15
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Yes - 2 wins out of 14 is not good enough.

Boroz Posted on 24/11 21:17
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I've supported him so far on the basis that people close to his work say he's great and that consistency is better than chopping and changing.

Now I think we need to find a strong replacement fast. GS has struggled with transfer market, struggled in mediocre times and certainly hasn't got the experience to cope with a relegation battle under personal attack and pressure. He has failed in pretty much every aspect why will he now succeed with the hardest test of all?

We have nothing to loose.

Gibson must bow out. Blair went after 10 years, John Howard in Oz has just gone after 11 years. Great guys but everyone runs out of steam and must hand over to new blood with new ideas and new energies. The world moves fast - if you are standing still you are going backwards...

pisces Posted on 24/11 21:28
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

A yes from me too. We are in serious trouble and relegation would be a disaster for the club and a situation that I think we would not recover from as we have done before. Things have got to change quickly.

hardinho11 Posted on 24/11 21:43
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ufortunately its another yes.

Dolan_ov_Marton Posted on 24/11 22:10
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes please

Shaun71 Posted on 24/11 22:11
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No

dibzzz Posted on 24/11 22:13
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YES.

The stats speak for themselves.

3 points from a possible 27 since our last win.
10 points from a possible 42 since the start of the season.
-14 GD
4th bottom and how we are not in the relegation zone is a miracle.
And still our Christmas slump to come.

He's not up to it, I've been saying this since mid September.
The Southgate experiment has failed Mr Gibson, now please save our club (again).

boroboy_uk Posted on 24/11 22:15
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

it kills me to say it as i think the world of southgate but he is far to nice and thats why it kills me to say it as nice guys get no where so i think he should be sacked but would prefer him to walk or say he needs help

wokingmassive Posted on 24/11 22:16
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes

(Again)

I think he is doing such a bad job that I have voted twice.

boiler_boy Posted on 24/11 22:19
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No, and I think if he was able to obtain Help he would take it as a positive step and not a negative one. It was the final nail in Robbo's coffin, but I think it could be a good thing to help GS.

addison_road Posted on 24/11 22:21
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

A mutual agreement yes.

Boro290204 Posted on 24/11 22:26
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I'd prefer if we got Venables in to help him out, just like with Robson. If not, we are going down.

I'm afraid, a rather reluctant yes from me too! I'd like to see him stay and do the job he promised, but... it's not happening. Almost 3 months since our last win now.

Played 14, won 2 drawn 4 lost 8. 10 points.
If this form was maintained for a 38 game season it would mean less than 30 points. We need at least 10 wins to realistically stay safe from relegation. That's 10 wins from the remaining 24 games. Still possible at the moment, but would mean us immediately starting to play like a top 10 side. Lose a few more games though and no matter who we get in we'll struggle badly. We must change before it's too late!

Wigan changed their manager and held Arsenal for 75 minutes
Bolton changed their manager and beat the s(um today... they are both showing signs of improvement, Boro are in freefall.

boroandproud2 Posted on 24/11 22:48
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NO we will pull it around

Borosmit Posted on 24/11 22:55
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YES

monobrough Posted on 24/11 22:56
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Yes out after crimbo would be too late needs to be now

unluckyagain Posted on 24/11 23:02
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Give him untill christmas

Sheepfiddler Posted on 24/11 23:03
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YES - Sadly

GripNRip Posted on 24/11 23:06
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The thing that amazes me is that a smart business man like Gibson gives somebody like Southgate a 5 year contract, I said at the time why was it not something like 2 years, I just don't get it. The name fits though because we are going South through the Gate to the Championship unless a new manager comes in.

Towelie Posted on 25/11 0:08
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Sad to say, because I genuinely like Southgate but it's time to go and the backroom staff need clearing out as well.

Can we PLEASE have a manager with some experience and a reasonable amount of comparative success behind him?

GripNRip Posted on 25/11 0:17
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I feel the same, all we want is a proven manager im sick of us being the stepping stone club for newbie managers. I remember others on here last season laughing at O'Neill saying Villa only finished a few points ahead of us and they are glad we didn't appoint him blah blah, now he has found his stride and Villa will do well, because he was proven and has done things, I just don't see the same thing happening with Southgate, he wouldn't know how to.



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thornabyred83 Posted on 25/11 1:07
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yes act now or colchester away next season

tees_tripper Posted on 25/11 1:15
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I'm starting to think yes. Didn't do great in transfer window pre-season and that i think has led to our current predicement. Would love Martin Jol here as i think he would have more pulling power to bring in top quality players. I feel sorry for Southgate as I really like the bloke and think his heart is at Boro but unfortunately I think he's out of his depth. If he stays he will prolong the agony, even if he gets us out of trouble I can't see a very bright future

vichyssoise Posted on 25/11 1:16
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yes january is to late we need help now

bolan77 Posted on 25/11 1:21
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

yes.a boro legend who lifted our first trophy.very sad its came to this but he has to go.with regret by the way.we will always love you gareth.but step aside please.

outoftowner Posted on 25/11 1:24
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yes but just - any manager of an organisation that brings in a yts to save the company ( a la hutchinson today) either recruits poorly or can't retain its staff
and as much as I believe, akin to tony adams, he will,one day, manage at a good level - my club is too important to learn your trade at; so fall on your sword

oldborofart Posted on 25/11 1:28
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some decent pubs in collie believe me

Lakesideboro Posted on 25/11 1:55
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Yes but i sooo wanted him to do well

bushyeyebrows Posted on 25/11 6:31
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Get rid now, before its too late.

Chairman_Mao_Boro Posted on 25/11 7:18
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Sadly yes. I hope the next guy is not a first time manager.....

White_Knight Posted on 25/11 8:13
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Before Gareth was appointed manager I remember reading lots of messages relating to his inexperience and how much risk Steve Gibson was taking.
The consensus of opinion then was that we didn't want him appointed because we could envisage that after a short while his inexperience would shine through like a beacon and the fans would be singing "Southgate out". He has been such a great servant to this club that we didn't want him to leave under a cloud, but I'm afraid that the time had come to say goodbye to him.
He will always be a hero, perhaps legend, with Boro fans, and will not be vilified as Steve McClaren. Gareth has done his best, but unfortunately his managerial experience is lacking and our PL status is seriously at risk if the present regime is not changed soon.
The question now is who would be available to step into his shoes and save us from a life in the Championship?

boroborn Posted on 25/11 8:48
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I counted the votes so far and i reckon it's

78 Southgate should go

11 Southgate should stay.

I'm not sure how many were repeat voters though.

But what we can work out from that is 1 in 8 boro supporters thinks he should go.

He needs to leave before he legendary status starts to get torn to pieces.

Let's remember him lifting the Carling Cup for us not relegating us and being abused then boo'd off the pitch as a manager.

LEAVE SOUTHGATE FFS!

dibzzz Posted on 25/11 9:17
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I agree;

I do like the bloke, I always loved the passion he showed when he punched the air towards every stand at the end of the game when we won, with a big cheer with each punch.

One of the best moments ever when he lifted the carling cup.

I'd like to see him step aside as a defensive coach and Gibbo to bring in a real manager with a decent track record.

I don't want to see Southgate leave the club under a cloud, he just doesn't deserve it.

keelo Posted on 25/11 9:35
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Gibson has got us in this mess and its him who will eventually decide if he goes or not but i cant see it

but YES for me

tosh40 Posted on 25/11 9:39
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

its a yes from me,not just the results(tho any other manager with his record over this and last season would be gone ages ago) but its the players he has brought in and the players he is looking at,ffs,omeba?? and samaras?? 2 more players who can't score to go with the others

White_Knight Posted on 25/11 9:57
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I too would hate to see Gareth unceremoniously dumped by the management as he seems to be a lovely caring bloke. Maybe that's his problem, too nice, and he seems to be the kind of person that you would choose to be your brother!
I like the idea of him becoming our defensive coach though, staying with us and learning from an experienced manager, whomever that could be. Who is avialable though?; answers on a postage stamp please.

Cecil_J_McTumshie Posted on 25/11 10:13
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Not sacked but think Gareth should resign-he's an intelligent bloke who must see its not working and for his own good and (more importantly) the clubs he must go.
If he doesn't resign then YES he should be sacked

Bukowski_MFC Posted on 25/11 10:16
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"78 Southgate should go

11 Southgate should stay.

I'm not sure how many were repeat voters though.

But what we can work out from that is 1 in 8 boro supporters thinks he should go."


I take it you didn't pass maths as school. According to those figures, 87.6% think he should go.

solar Posted on 25/11 10:23
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Definitely Yes but......Coops, Pears and the medical/fitness staff need to go as well.

dibzzz Posted on 25/11 11:26
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

The only reason he was manager in the first place is no one wanted the job apart from O'Neil who we fcuked off.

So who'll come? No one.
That's why Gibbo will stay with Southgate........unfortunately.

scoea Posted on 25/11 11:27
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I think he has to go now.

Linthorpe_exile Posted on 25/11 11:39
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No. The feller lifted our only trophy. He is articulate and a good ambassador for the club. Plenty of people I know who support other teams hope he does well. He knows and cares about the area and we are supposed to be (perhaps in our own eyes only) a "community club". He could do with some help - it seems to me mainly from the players who should get their collective fingers out. He and the players could do with some help from the supporters. And the supporters could do with a lift from the chairman. It was ever thus...

Boro_Gadgie Posted on 25/11 11:47
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I'd like to judge him when we get Mido and Arca back, but time is running out as far as I'm concerned. Willie Maddren was a nice guy too, and a Boro legend, but it didn't stop him getting sacked. I read his autobiography and he recalled how chairman Alf Duffield felt genuinely sorry that it hadn't worked out for him, even saying how Duffield's voice was breaking up as they parted ways.

Maybe Gibbo has to be ruthless. We certainly can't wait two more months as that might be too late, though hopefully we'll have Mido and Arca back soon and results will pick up by Christmas.

BoroSkirt Posted on 25/11 11:54
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No.

Until a replacement who is sutable is can be found, no. Southgate must stay. Sacking him now would do more harm than good to moral which must be low.

It's only december, plenty of time, plus we've had a tough run recently, Chelsea, Man U, Tottenham... These are tough games

Tom_Fun Posted on 25/11 12:01
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

"The feller lifted our only trophy"

As a player. What's that got to do with being a manager?

prepman Posted on 25/11 12:02
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

tough run recently, you mean all season.spurs where in the bottom 3 at the time.

BoroSkirt Posted on 25/11 12:06
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

thats not surs true position and you konw it mate. they've had a poor start but are a decent side

bolton beat man u yesterday

whinneybanksaint Posted on 25/11 12:09
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

It has to be YES
I agree with everything White Knight said.
Just because he is doing his UEFA badges doesnt mean he will be a good manager.
We need somebody the players will respond to for his footballing knowledge and coaching skills,the senior players are thinking what can he teach me ? and the youngsters will see a rookie manager learning his own stuff so think , what time does he have to look after me,

richysmrs Posted on 25/11 12:10
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Southgate should stay (for me ),
I would rather have him (who loves our club),than some mercenary so and so who would only be here for the money !!!
Yes i am a Ra Ra and proud of it,
I am worried we'll be playing championship football next season but if we are - it wont stop me buying my season ticket, once our key players are back from injury - we'll be ok (there's the ra ra in me !!!) I know lots of you will be thinking FFS look at the bigger picture- well i have and we will stay up because they are so many other teams doing just as sh#te as we are or worse !!!
however,like it's been said a million times before - he needs somebody in to help guide him !
I don't know who - many names have been put forward on this board and people have their own preferences.

boroborn Posted on 25/11 12:18
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

The players clearly don't fear him as a boss. We need a manager that will get the "us against teh world" spirit in the dressing room and have us fighting on the pitch for every scrap.

Southgate is never going to be that man and if you can't see that then your deluded.

We've done nothing but struggle since he became bosss and that's not going to change anytime soon.

SOUTHGATE OUT.

prepman Posted on 25/11 12:19
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

boroskirt,go tell me we not in our proper position as well.

Vlad_The_Kinder Posted on 25/11 12:20
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

YES

He's out of his depth and hasn't got a clue in the transfer market.

sr999 Posted on 25/11 12:25
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

YES - someone please ring the club and get them to look at this - we are a joke

byrno Posted on 25/11 12:28
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Don't know. Something needs to change, but there isn't anyone who would realistically come here that fills me with inspiration.

People talking about Souness, Reid, Hoddle FFS!

boroborn Posted on 25/11 13:18
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Jewell
McLeish
Jol

Anyone of those would be an improvement. Even Hoddle would be better then Southgate.

bear66 Posted on 25/11 14:16
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

o'neil showed yesterday that a good manager can turn a failing team around. Who were the Villa players yesterday? Few stars, just a good (but not great) team with an excellent manager. Good ploy to come out and get a second goal after an even first half - why were we soooooo bad in the first three minutes of the second half? Last season the difference between us and other teams was Viduka and Yaubu - this year the difference is good manager vs non-existent. The Premiership must be the aspiration of the best managers in the world. Why, when we were looking for a new manager, couldn't we get one? The problem with Southgate going is that we still won't get a good manager, so what's the point of him going now? Something is not right with the club and needs sorting out from the top down

Kev40 Posted on 25/11 14:48
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes.
Need to get someone with experience, can not wait until january, new manager will need few weeks to see which players are good enough and what players need moving on and new players to be brought in.

At the moment we can not score goals, are conceding goals for fun.

Its time for some people who post messages on this site to see that boro are in serious trouble and if we get religated thousands of fans will not renew season tickets.

borobobbie Posted on 25/11 15:07
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

NO!

swedish_meatball Posted on 25/11 16:42
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

YES

playing wingers up front ,having no strikers
having a manager who hasn't a clue =

RELEGATION MATERIAL

toxic_bob Posted on 25/11 16:43
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes

Mahatma_Gandhi Posted on 25/11 16:46
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Regrettably yes.

ste_north_stand Posted on 25/11 16:51
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes.

CAPSLOCK1 Posted on 25/11 17:05
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

sadly yes.

sitheman Posted on 25/11 17:06
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

yes

johnhicktonsrunup Posted on 25/11 17:07
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

without a doubt. tactically inept, some atrocious and painfully naive signings (huth, mido, shawky, dung geek etc)

mogga a.s.a.p.

comejoiners Posted on 25/11 17:23
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

"78 Southgate should go
11 Southgate should stay.
I'm not sure how many were repeat voters though.
But what we can work out from that is 1 in 8 boro supporters thinks he should go."
TOTALLY WRONG
what we can work out is 1 in 8 who voted want him out
this is not an official poll, its some made up thing from a boro fan on a message board

cath99 Posted on 25/11 17:24
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes. The frightening part though is I'm almost 100% certain Gibbo won't sack him. I just hope if Gareth loves the club as much as I think he does, he'll offer to resign or ask for some help.

bringbackmogga Posted on 25/11 17:26
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

YES- a month ago.

Huan_Kerr Posted on 25/11 17:30
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

NO.

6 games to the end of this year, wait and see.

napoleonboroparte Posted on 25/11 17:31
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Sad to say - but yes.

Dr_Evil Posted on 25/11 17:32
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No.

Until yesterdays result, and now i think he should go.

We are in serious trouble and it needs resolving.

Yes now.

White_Knight Posted on 25/11 17:54
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I don't want him sacked.
My greatest wish is that he turns things around and elevates himself to be our best manager ever. He is a Boro legend but I know that legends can fail too, as Willie Maddren failed, and shown the door.
C'mon Gareth you can do it ............. C'mon Boro.

spectrum Posted on 25/11 17:59
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I didn,t want him sacked but he doesn,t seem to have the players playing for him so I think we need someone who can whip them into shape or get rid. So Yes

Maccarone_Is_Me Posted on 25/11 18:01
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes
and replaced with a manager with a proven track record.
Let's get back into Europe again.

Rio_Verde Posted on 25/11 18:07
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

hopefully he'll be packing his bags on Monday. I'd take McLeish or Keegan, or Mowbray on a contract until the end of the season. Five years is much too long for a novice of the game...Gibbo should take a mental note for future reference-- employ someone like Bobby Robson to help you pick the next coach-- Gibson = divvy (when it comes to picking football managers).

prepman Posted on 25/11 18:07
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

white knight,he is a boro legend.how the fook do you work that out

HolgateEnd Posted on 25/11 18:26
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

It's a YES from me too.

Unfortunately, he just hasnt got what it takes. I think the best option would be to get a Manager in with a proven track record (NOT Jewell or Venables) and keep Southgate on as part of the backroom staff while he gets his badges and learns his trade. Then either give him a second go once the replacement manager goes or he'll go on to get another manager's job.

cath99 Posted on 25/11 18:31
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

What's wrong with Jewell? I think he'd be an excellent manager for us.

smiffcat Posted on 25/11 18:58
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes, but he should have the decency to to resign as I doubt that Gibson is going to sack him.

flyermetothemoon Posted on 25/11 19:02
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes, yes and yes again and take all his backroom staff with him.

I also blame Keith Lamb. (Why not)

cheapseats Posted on 25/11 19:03
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

NO never!!

smiffcat Posted on 25/11 19:26
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes ,but would rather he'd resign.

sbc_rob Posted on 25/11 20:31
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

no

SmoggyOnTheSolent Posted on 26/11 11:03
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

bloody hell! i guess its a yes then.

--- Post edited by SmoggyOnTheSolent on 26/11 11:08 ---

gerd_muller Posted on 26/11 11:11
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes

No more rookie managers please

Steaknife Posted on 26/11 11:12
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

A resounding YES.

sheriff_john_burnell Posted on 26/11 11:17
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

A line in the sand needs to be drawn. Give him Reading and Arsenal. If we produce stirring inspirational performances he stays. If not bring in a new man, who will hopefully give us a lift for the next three, Derby West Ham and Brum.

SidSnot Posted on 26/11 11:21
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Absolutely not!

Look at what Derby, Wigan etc have just done. No class. We're better than that.

Having said that - someone needs to have a strong word in Gareth's ear. Needs to get the players showing more respect - and needs to look at the ricketts he's made in the transfer market.

prepman Posted on 26/11 11:24
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

whats class got to do with it?survival is what matters.

Boateng_7 Posted on 26/11 11:26
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes he should go

Good servant for the club but non existant as a manager.

trout046 Posted on 26/11 11:33
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

yes, it's pretty obvious that the guy is out of his depth, i just don't get all these people who say if he takes us down he should be given the chance to take us back up, we don't want to go down, 2 seasons ago we were in a european final, if we go down it will knock us back years, look at leeds, sheff wed, southgate must go now, he cannot take us further, stop the rot now and get rid for the sake of the club and the fans who dont deserve this crap week in week out, i honestly can't see where the next win would come from.

ExFootyLegs Posted on 26/11 11:39
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES - Should i go on ?

boro_mod Posted on 26/11 12:18
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes

2 wins this season says it all! and we got lucky against fulham and birmingham were shocking

when was the last time we truelly played brillant and out class the oposition for 90 minutes, not under SG thats for sure!

If we go down i honestley see us going lower!

Lefty3668 Posted on 26/11 12:26
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No.

I'm assuming he has at least one good striker already lined up for January though.

number_10 Posted on 26/11 12:53
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes

mikeboro Posted on 26/11 13:17
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

YES, give him the boot.

borobuddah Posted on 26/11 13:19
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

no

ccole Posted on 26/11 13:23
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Boro_Mod, not sure if you work away and are unable to get to the games, but this season we deserved to beat,

West Ham
Blackburn
Newcastle
Sunderland
Everton (?)

Hope this doesn’t get in the way of another “Southgate out” post from you?

huthhuthhuthhuth Posted on 26/11 13:27
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

yes - how many yes's to no's is there now ?

prepman Posted on 26/11 13:34
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

definately, and sooner the better.how many points do we get for deserving to beat these teams?

ccole Posted on 26/11 13:38
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

You dont get points unless you score more goals than the other team.

Did you really not know that answer?

huthhuthhuthhuth Posted on 26/11 13:43
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

117 clear yes's 22 clear no's

Shambles7 Posted on 26/11 13:49
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes

But I don't see it happening.

SmoggyNproud Posted on 26/11 13:59
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Add my vote to the clear NOs please..

I completely understand why people may have lost their patience with the Southgate regime, but there is no point in being so negative until (and if) he is sacked/resigns. The turning point for me was when Arca was stretchered off against the deckchairs after just scoring. We've had major injuries. It's a real disappointment for everyone, none of us WANT to be in the position we are..but until Gibson decides to change it, we may aswell show Southgate our support.

its_tuncay_time Posted on 26/11 14:23
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

My heart says no but my head says yes which one should I listen to?

Fatsuma Posted on 26/11 14:30
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Great news guys!!

We can add Billy Davies to the list of sure-fire saviours.....

So that's:

Billy Davies
David O'Leary
Glenn Roeder
Martin Allen
Chris Hutchins
Paul Jewell
Danny Wilson
Sammy Lee
Dave Bassett

Take your pick fellers, survival is assured!!

guyb Posted on 26/11 14:38
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

In the interests of fairness, we should also mention:-

Tony Mowbray
Alex McLeish
Terry Venables
Steve Maclaren
Aidy Boothroyd
Roy Hodgson
Graeme Souness
Martin Jol

plus the scores of managers who would apply if the post was advertised...

Fatsuma Posted on 26/11 14:41
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Fairness, yes.

Accuracy, no!

GillZean Posted on 26/11 14:42
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No we shouldn't sack him.

guyb Posted on 26/11 14:45
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

what do you mean - accuracy, no?

Are you implying that with our facilities, players, stadium, chairman, academy and premier league status that we aren't a top job?

Fatsuma Posted on 26/11 15:02
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No.

What I mean is that I don't think its accurate to say that sacking Southgate and replacing him with anyone on that list will improve our situation, at this stage.

We need Arca and Mido back. We need two other strikers in January.

Teesside_Branca86 Posted on 26/11 15:09
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No he wasn't the right man for the job in the first place, but sacking him now would only worsen our problems. give him a chance he'll turn into a world beater

jam_the_parmo Posted on 26/11 15:21
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes :(

Spoff_MFC Posted on 26/11 15:35
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

ccole Posted on 26/11 13:23 Email this Message | Edit | Reply
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Boro_Mod, not sure if you work away and are unable to get to the games, but this season we deserved to beat,

West Ham
Blackburn
Newcastle
Sunderland
Everton (?)


Because that will keep us up...

Steveman Posted on 26/11 15:36
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes. Or at least get him some help.

TinTin85 Posted on 26/11 16:19
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

yes i'm afraid so, i like the guy, but he's not yet ready fro premiership management, maybe in a few years. Its like any job, you need some experience to be the boss at the top level. i think we need to clear out alot of deadwood in the club, staff and players.

Mark_1977 Posted on 26/11 17:32
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Yes

And Venables in

grantus Posted on 26/11 17:36
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

You lot have no patience, if it was up to you, we'd end up like Man City or Newcastle, clubs that have been changing managers alomost every year for the last decade and as a result have had absolutely no success whatsoever.

OK, with Sven, that may change at Man City.

A resounding NO from me.

Hardwickgeorge Posted on 26/11 17:42
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

i remember people shouting no to Lawrence and Robson being sacked and sure enough the club moved forward.

Economically, we must be suffering with dwindling crowds

Psychologically, I think it will be hard to recover (the public). Fans will take some convincing to return.

So, Yes I think he should at least fall on his sword.

grantus Posted on 26/11 17:44
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Who wanted Robson to stay? I don't know anyone.

Hardwickgeorge Posted on 26/11 17:45
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

yep. I remember a few. Misguided loyalty

wobschall Posted on 26/11 19:22
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

sad to say, yes.

The players may like, respect Gate. But the bulk won't run through brick walls for him, push that extra yard and aren't in awe, slightly scared of him and feel they can 'second guess' him. We need a shrewdie, streetfighter as the players seem to know his number - a bit like secondary schoolkids who can sense when a teacher can be taken the p*ss off.

The likes of mido, allaidiere, tuncay, lee. When the going gets tough, people like that hide into their shell and get going - comforted by good wages and thought they'll be off next summer.

All those at the bottom would fancy finishing above us. Bolton too organised to go down, mackems have more spirit than us, as wigan probably have to. And even incey will get into the derby players ribs.

EyeOfRa1975 Posted on 26/11 21:54
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

I must admit having a go at the new players is a bit off...give them half a season playing week in week out then have a go. Tuncay has gone from being a superstar for his last club...scoring goals in champions league against manure etc to then turn into a player sat on the bench whilst Dong Gook Lee gets started ahead of him...thats down to the manager...yeah i like southgate but i reckon we need someone with experience to take his place...even if we have to go abroad to get them.
People shout for Mogga but what experience does he have in the premier? i think in the future Mogga will be great for us don't get me wrong.
Fingers crossed he resigns because Gibson will never sack him even if we go down.

borobadge Posted on 26/11 22:02
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

no.

Bren_MFC Posted on 26/11 22:04
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Mogga would bring the fans back and put some passion back into the performances and crucially has management experience.

BenJammin Posted on 26/11 22:10
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

NO

scobba Posted on 26/11 22:33
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

yes sorry to say it but he just can't cut it

daveyarge Posted on 26/11 22:37
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

100% no.

OverTheTopAussie Posted on 27/11 2:35
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

No.

Dolan_ov_Marton Posted on 27/11 2:43
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

What the score so far? are we cyber sacking him or not?

Holgate_all_the_pies Posted on 27/11 4:36
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

NO, not yet anyway.
I think Bren_MFC has a point with mogga though.
We have to get the crowds back to the ground, it could keep us up.

Smoggy_jay Posted on 27/11 8:57
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

100 percent yes

ccole Posted on 27/11 10:39
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Spoff_MFC Posted on 26/11 15:35 Email this Message | Reply
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Boro_Mod, not sure if you work away and are unable to get to the games, but this season we deserved to beat,

West Ham
Blackburn
Newcastle
Sunderland
Everton (?)


Because that will keep us up...
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>
>
>

No it wont keep us up as we only get points for beating teams. However if you read the post it was directed at, you would have sussed that.



BTW - NO

Vincent75 Posted on 27/11 10:54
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

TAXI FOR SOUTHGATE!

Fatsuma Posted on 27/11 11:01
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Do they go that side of the river then ?

BossHogg Posted on 27/11 11:35
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Shouldn't have been appointed in the first place!

Sorry Gareth, but it's time for a change!

Louis Van Gaal, come on down...

dogs_danglies Posted on 27/11 11:35
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

SACK HIM SOON BEFORE WE GET RELEGATED
NEEDS TO BE BEFORE JAN TRANSFER WINDOW

Boro_on_Rhine Posted on 27/11 11:44
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

agree with dogs danglies - southgate needs to go NOW. Not after we wastes the money given in the january transfer window and he still cant organise, motivate and inspire a performance and result out of the team.
SOUTHGATE OUT. Is that clear enough ?

thornaby_phil Posted on 27/11 13:56
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

no
let him do his stuff for at least another season
and then maybe if we havn't pushed in the last 10

TP

boro_mod Posted on 27/11 14:22
re: Vote - Should Southgate be sacked?

Boro_Mod, not sure if you work away and are unable to get to the games, but this season we deserved to beat,

West Ham - was there and we didnt deserve to lose - got beat 3-0
Blackburn - was there again didnt deserve to lose got beat 2-1
Newcastle - missed the game was at leeds
Sunderland - was there were by miles the better side
Everton (?) - we were shlte deserved to lose
Bolton - we were shlte as were bolton - bolton the better side lucky to pick up points!

it is a sign of a bad side that plays well and loses! and it is a sign of a good team who plays bad and wins!

doesnt matter which way ya look at it we have only won two games and thrown away points aginst sunderland and blackburn! sign of a relegation team and the manager has to go if its not broken dont fix it but if its broken ya gota fix it!

personally i think we have some good players
Rocky
Arca
Downing
Mido
Tuncay
Woody
Pog

with the right manager we will win games! SG isnt the right manager!