permalink for this thread : http://search.catflaporama.com/post/browse/527594201
Mattyk50 Posted on 26/11 12:16
arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

might be able to get those 2 sideways passers out of central midfield

Vincent75 Posted on 26/11 12:17
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Let's hope Aliadiere's injury keep him out too, although i doubt it will. The soft get always limps off.

onthemap Posted on 26/11 12:18
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Wasn't Rocky there last weekend?

Mattyk50 Posted on 26/11 12:22
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

i just meant return to the starting XI, OTM

onthemap Posted on 26/11 12:23
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

I really don't get the whole Rochemback thing.

Mattyk50 Posted on 26/11 12:26
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

what dont you get?

a midfielder who is confident enough in his ability to receive the ball in tight situations and keep possession?

onthemap Posted on 26/11 12:32
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

The bit I don't get is him having his chance it obviously not working and then people saying 'what don't you get'.

Mattyk50 Posted on 26/11 12:34
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

i think he was playing rather bloody well when arca was in there alongside him

onthemap Posted on 26/11 12:36
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Each to their own.

Mattyk50 Posted on 26/11 12:40
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

yeah, suppose!

fluteloop Posted on 26/11 13:09
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

I have to agree with Matty, i thought was probably our best player early on in the season playing alongside Arca.

Big_Shot Posted on 26/11 13:17
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Arca and Rochemback played only a few games alongside each other though. Sure one of which was the game against Birmingham, but its hardly like ita a tried and tested pairing. I actually think Arca is the key midfielder who will give us our best chance of turning things around.

Piquet2 Posted on 26/11 13:19
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

One of the other games was Sunderland, that's where it all started to go down hill, 3 bad injuries in the first 35 minutes, we've never had that team since.

PinkPonce Posted on 26/11 13:23
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

I love them 2 in the middle together. we actually look like we have a midfield.

Cattermole and Boateng! How many premiership clubs have 2 c.m's like that in there team..

NB - i think it is pretty much tried and tested as far as i am concerned - based on the staer of this season, and the end of last season when we finally got rid of boateng from the starting line up

Big_Shot Posted on 26/11 13:26
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

So how do you explain Rochemback not really performing since then?

I'll hold my hands up and admit that I'm no fan of Rochemback and am overly critical of him. But surely he should still be able to perform to a good standard without Arca alongside him.

dibzzz Posted on 26/11 13:26
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

If people think it's down to Rocky as our saviour, well it's worse than I thought.

Piquet2 Posted on 26/11 13:29
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

It's like people have said about England the best players don't necessarily make the best team, like Rochemback and Arca they are a good partnership, but not the best individually.

--- Post edited by Piquet2 on 26/11 13:31 ---

Big_Shot Posted on 26/11 13:35
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

But Arca and Boateng looked a decent pairing last season. Thats my point, its Arca thats the key player here, and ultimately he improves our midfield greatly. But people do him a bit of a disservice when they say its him and Rochemback that do it. My confidence will improve as soon as Arca's back in the middle of the park, irrespective of who's alongside him.

PinkPonce Posted on 26/11 13:36
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

the fact is that Rochemback and arca are 2 steps ahead of everyone in our team...

they link up tremendously. The can both pass, and i'm sorry but they find more space than NASA.

when playing together we look so much better. attacvk is the best for of defence, and without them 2 in the team, we have no attack. no link to the front "men" no decent balls down the flanks.

Boateng on the other hand runs in circles, and sometimes does it that much he looks like he's digging for oil. Ball will be played back inside to catermole, or back to the full back.

Monks would penetrate mor than them 2.

NB: 3 cracking jokes in one thread from me like.

sasboro Posted on 26/11 13:37
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

"Let's hope Aliadiere's injury keep him out too, although i doubt it will. The soft get always limps off."

apparently the last train to london leaves darlo at 5pm so has to make a dash for it.

Vincent75 Posted on 26/11 13:45
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Columbo couldn't find one decent joke in that, Ponce.

sasboro Posted on 26/11 13:48
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

rochemback is over rated. no where near as good as arca.

Rochemback is good to have when a team is playign well and winning games. in a poor team he is useless. he is excellent at passing sideways with the outside of his boot with a nice curl on it. looks very flash.But how does he still get to take the free kicks? every free kick hits the wall. he is a defensive midfielder and i would rather have oneill and arca playing and probably cattermole too

rick4974 Posted on 26/11 13:52
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

i was talking to julio at the match on saturday, he said that he hopesd to be back within 2 weeks.
at least he wont have his confidence lowered anymore by the thrashing from arsenal

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/11 13:53
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

I agree, and Arca's only a squad player.

You blokes have got as much idea as the fellas up the road had the last twice they went down. We need better if we're to get up that league.

PinkPonce Posted on 26/11 13:53
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

sas - he is only a defensive midfielder in your eyes because of the way the management of our team persist in playing him.

As an attacking midfielder, he scored one of the greatest goals ive witnessed.

He is an attacking midfielder. always has been, always will be. We see the best of him when arca is there because they complement each other.

Vincent! Thats cos you hhave't got a sense of humour. or a dress sense, or even a personality for that matter.

Mattyk50 Posted on 26/11 14:08
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

i dont like disagreeing with the ponce, but rocky is a holding midfielder IMO

sasboro Posted on 26/11 14:15
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

BTW, rocky was on the bench at the weekend so not 1st choice anyway

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 26/11 14:17
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

I don't what you'd call it but I see him as more of a Riqueleme or Veron type of midfielder (not as good as but similar in play).

He isn't attacking, isn't defensive and isn't box-to-box, or a real playmaker either, but when him and Arca are playing well together it seems to work.

sheriff_john_burnell Posted on 26/11 14:28
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

we dont have any attacking midfielders. thats our problem. that and the no strikers and a poor defence. attacking midfielders get in the box like tim cahill and gerrard.

sasboro Posted on 26/11 14:31
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

genuine attacking midfielders cost a lot and probably out of our price range. thats why we need to look in lower league and try to discover one

Big_Shot Posted on 26/11 14:37
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Attacking midfielders actually get forward and support the strikers and get a steady amount of goals. Neither of which applies to Rochemback.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 26/11 14:38
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Zoltan Gera?

PinkPonce Posted on 26/11 14:42
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Mattyk50 - point taken - i was trying to prove the point that he is not Defensive. far from it.

GillZean Posted on 26/11 14:46
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

How about Gary O'Neil alongside Catts?

Big_Shot Posted on 26/11 14:48
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

He has no defensive qualities to be a defensive midfielder in this country. However his position for Lisbon was the continental style holding player, which is sat in front of the back 4 bringing the ball out and starting the play. On the continent they amount of time and space you get in that position makes him suited to it. However that role isn't played over here and a holding player is a hard working ball winner who protects the defence.

--- Post edited by Big_Shot on 26/11 14:49 ---

UgoAfro Posted on 26/11 14:48
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Watching Blackburn yesterday it was noticable how attacking thier fullbacks were resulting in Warnock appearing at the far post for a tap in when the ball was played across. Can you imagine any of our fullbacks doing that? Our movement off the ball is non existent throughout the entire team.

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 26/11 14:48
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

I assume you mean till Arca is fit Gilzean, or would you drop Arca?

Who would play down the right?

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 26/11 14:50
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

UgoAfro, didn't Luke Young 'tap' one in against Spurs?

UgoAfro Posted on 26/11 14:50
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

The likes of Tugay, Carrick and Alonso play that role well in this country. Think Rocky is too fond of doing stupid things in dangerous areas though.

UgoAfro Posted on 26/11 14:51
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Aye S_S, he'd have never lived it down if he'd missed that one!

Sleaford_Socialite Posted on 26/11 14:53
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?


sasboro Posted on 26/11 14:54
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

rocky likes doing those fancy sideways passed then looking for a one-two

Big_Shot Posted on 26/11 15:08
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

I'm not saying none of those type of players can't perform in this division, although I'm not so sure any of them played the same sort of role Rochemback played for Sporting Lisbon. In Rochembacks case he just hasn't adapted to the different role he was expected to play over here. He had lots of space and time back then, something you just don't get over here.

Winston_Spangler Posted on 26/11 15:14
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

I hate the fact that everyone on here seems to think Rochemback is full of accurate, penetrative passing. He came on on Saturday and just did the same thing as Cattermole. Only Slower. Lost possession every time he tried to play a pass further than 10 yards.

If we got a good box to box midfielder to play with Arca we'd improve no end. Tottenham must have one that Ramos doesn't fancy. Did Huddlestone play yesterday? He's give us a physical presence in there.

Keyboard_Worrier Posted on 26/11 15:23
re: arca and rocky to return at the weekend?

Good shout with Huddlestone, he is huge. Couldnt we buy a right winger and move GON into the middle?