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scuzzmonster Posted on 30/11 13:01
Armed lynch mob outside the Khartoum jail...

...where Gillian Gibbons is being held demanding her execution.

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 13:02
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We need to bust her out of there, fast.

A job for the SAS?

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 13:03
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Animals. I wonder when these Muslims will obey their own laws regarding the handling of alcohol when in the UK.

After all they regard Sharia law as one that takes precedence over all other laws.

mm40 Posted on 30/11 13:04
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stand up Mr Brown, time for sanctions or military action against sudan, this is totally unacceptable.

scuzzmonster Posted on 30/11 13:04
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Things certainly seem to be getting out hand, if they already weren't.

ccole Posted on 30/11 13:05
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Is it the same mob who killed 300,000 in Sudan last year?


Lets invade

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 13:06
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Let's send back every one of theirs who commits a minor crime.

Lefty3668 Posted on 30/11 13:07
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'stand up Mr Brown, time for sanctions or military action against sudan'

Hmm, Gordon of Khartoum does have a bit of a ring to it.

Fatsuma Posted on 30/11 13:08
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"Thousands of people have marched in the Sudanese capital Khartoum to call for UK teacher Gillian Gibbons to be shot.
Mrs Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool, was jailed by a court on Thursday after children in her class named a teddy bear Muhammad.

She was sentenced to 15 days for insulting religion; she will then be deported.

The marchers took to the streets after Friday prayers to denounce the leniency of the sentence."


In that case, why don't they shoot the judge? He gave the lenient sentence!!!!

Fatsuma Posted on 30/11 13:09
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Or the children who chose the name!!

CliveRdCorner Posted on 30/11 13:10
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Palmerston would have had them marching down the Nile already. Maybe we should send a force with pasha liddle towers fronting.

littlejimmy Posted on 30/11 13:11
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Stop being an arse, ridsdale. You can't judge everyone by the actions of some extremists, or are you admitting you're the same as...let me think....right wing extremists like the British National Party?

I'm betting that it's a few mad mullahs stirring the sh!!te up and mobilising a rent-a-mob. The same ones who said it's all a conspiracy against Islam. These are the nutters who give their faith a bad name, and our nutters buy it every time.

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number_10 Posted on 30/11 13:11
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Ah yes, why blame the responsible adult when we can blame innocent children who didn't know better!

She deserves locking up for her own stupidity. Not shot admittedly, but a bunch of protesters isn't going to change ahything.

Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 13:13
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This shows how you simply can not reason with fanatics, i think the sudanese govt know how serious this issue is and the sentence of 15 dyas (a token one) and then deportation, pretty much crosses the t and dots the i's then gets her out without making their law look inferior. It's a compromise sentence and a huge climb down.

But this shows the dangers when the so called "will of god" is used an absolute to define any form of law and those on here who were advocating allowing sharia to be used here in some cases should think on this.

captain5 Posted on 30/11 13:13
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She'll be out early next week, as the Sudanese will just want shot of her.

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 13:17
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How would she know that naming a teddy would be such a crime? After all, she didn't name it Allah. Which would have been a bit stupid.

The fact is that the extremists use anything they consider a slight to Islam to create trouble.

No doubt internal politics are at work here, as they are in every Islamic country.

As a result, that school has been closed down, do any of you think that is a good thing? I suspect the closure of the school was the real agenda by the extremists.

number_10 Posted on 30/11 13:19
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She named it after the prophet mohammed in a muslim country. Fuhck me, it's not as if it's not an often raised issue here, and she was living in an islamic country!

I don't think it's a good thing the school was closed, but it was triggered because of this womans ignorance.

Ah of course, internal politics only occur in islamic countries.....

Brick_Tamland Posted on 30/11 13:21
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The whole thing is bonkers. I can think of few scenarios that could be held to be less significant than one woman's benevolent gesture that upset the parent of one of the children.

It's madness that 'inappropriate name for teddy bear' and 'prison' or 'execution' are mentioned in the same sentence. I hope people start to see sense and soon.

JonMc Posted on 30/11 13:23
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People are naieve.
This is the new cold war and folk are going to have to wise up to the fact.

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 13:24
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Ah well, it gives the liberals a good opportunity to show each other how pious thou art.

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 13:25
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"She named it after the prophet mohammed in a muslim country."

No she didn't. For a start she didn't name anything, the class did. Next, it was named after a boy in the class called... Mohammed.

Now stop me if I'm wrong but isn't Mohammed one of the most common names in the Islamic world? So its not as if his name is sacred and ineffable, its ubiquitous in fact.

spectrum Posted on 30/11 13:26
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What is the world coming to when we slag off a woman who allowed her class to name a bear Mohammed , its not just a few either , why was she arrested in the first place if it is an issue for just a few so called mad mullahs, imagine us trying to take someone to court for calling their bear Jesus , our own people would laugh at us. The only stupid thing she did was think she could help these brainwashed fanatics , religion who,d have it .

susy Posted on 30/11 13:29
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Its a good job they dont sell gollywogs in sudan isnt it.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 13:30
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I have to agree with Brick_Tamland, I watched this being reported on C4 last night and had to pinch myself that this was real, naming a fooking teddy bear causes that much insult, for fooks sake, religion should be just laughed at for what it is, a fooking joke, its the 21st century not the 11th, these nutjobs should start growing some brains.

spectrum Posted on 30/11 13:31
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Watch out Susie you,ll be getting deported for being racist .

Boromart Posted on 30/11 13:32
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number_10, how the fook is she going to know that calling a bear mohammed is against shariah law? There were kids in her class called mohammed why isn't that breaking the law, if they are gonna get so fookin precious about the name? Calling a Teddy bear, an innocent thing that children play with could have been seen as a good thing for all she new.

Bottom line is that she is being used by the religous nuts as an easy target for anti-western feelings.

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susy Posted on 30/11 13:32
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Dont worry, its ok in this country

Boromart Posted on 30/11 13:35
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just to fook any islamic-extremeists off, I have now decided to name my toilet roll Mohammed and my favourite wankmag Allah. I'm sick to the backteeth with religion, it causes nothing but hatred.

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moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 13:36
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Is the Riverside going to get besieged next because we signed a player called Mohammed?

spectrum Posted on 30/11 13:38
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I can never understand the obsession with religion but each to their own , the problem is it isn,t each to their own anymore its people slamming what they believe is right down everybodies throats.

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 13:42
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"s the Riverside going to get besieged next because we signed a player called Mohammed?

"

Well if he is as much an inanimate object as others players. We will get besieged.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 13:42
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Religion should be treated like other mildly deranged activities like sado-masochism, transvestism etc... do what you want in the privacy of your own home, but keep it to yourselves and if you don't expect to laughed at as a twaat

number_10 Posted on 30/11 13:44
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It is against islamic law to give any object or image the name mohammed. You know that, I know that, she living in an islamic country should have been all the more aware.

So fuhcking what the children chose the name, she is supposed to be the responsible adult.

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 13:45
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I didn't know that.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 13:47
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Number_10... "It is against islamic law to give any object or image the name mohammed. You know that, I know that,"...

...are you for real, how the fook would I or most people on here know that, we haven't read the Koran as it has nothing to say about our lives, just like I haven't read Harry Potter.

onthemap Posted on 30/11 13:48
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"the problem is it isn,t each to their own anymore its people slamming what they believe is right down everybodies throats."

Sorry but it's the law of the land, it's personal beliefs that shouldn't be shoved down throats, the law is clear over there and if you wish to flaunt it then accept the punishment for doing so.

spectrum Posted on 30/11 13:48
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The easy answer is to let them get on with their sad little lives , its against the law to sell tobacco and alcohol to people underage in this country , how many shopkeepers do that inc. muslims , better start threatening to hang em .

Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 13:49
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N10 come on you can't seriously be defending these nutters, who think naming a teddy bear mohammed is sufficient to whip a 50 year old woman 40 times.

as for this view that

I can never understand the obsession with religion but each to their own

this is the point they have no free will as to even question this is blasphemy and is punishavble under sharia law, Sudan like the other countries that use this system are oppresive regimes that prejudice women. Think this country circa 700 ad.

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MarlonD Posted on 30/11 13:49
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She'll be alrigh, she's a bindipper isn't she ?

She'll give half the armed mob a Stanley smile and the teddy bear will be on e-bay next week.

coffdrop Posted on 30/11 13:50
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"I didn't know that"

You know it now.

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Boromart Posted on 30/11 13:51
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I didn't know that either and I would guess that the majority of people on here didn't know that either.

So when someone called mohammed dies, they become an inanimate object. Does that mean that their family and friends can no longer refer to them as Mohammed?

I can see the picture now - Muslim funeral. Mohammed brother steps up to say a few words - "Mohammed was a wonderful man, we all loved him, he was the best brother in the world......oh schit 40 lashes please I've broken shariah law".

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SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 13:52
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Life of Brian...

.."you said Jehova"...

..except this was set 2000 years ago.

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 13:54
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This is as clear a case of clerical-fascists wanting to persecute 'the other' and consolidate their position as you are ever going to say.

The question is, if you consider yourself tolerant, do you accept such intolerance?

The fact this is all happening in the country that brought us Darfur renders this issue even more crucial; and makes all apology for the sentence grisly.

Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 13:55
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I think the real reason for their anger is that it was done by a western woamn, there is nothing these wackos hate more than a western woman not covered up like a ninja, and not subervient and trembling in fear of her husband. Look at how sahria law treats ra_____pe and look at how the taliban treated woman this is the real reason for teh anger not the teddy bear not the fact they named it but the fact it was done by a western woman.

number_10 Posted on 30/11 13:56
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For gods sake, don't you all watch the news? Don't you all remember the stink kicked up about the Danish cartoons?

If there's problems in Sudan, well we certainly have big problems in this country with how pig ignorant the general public is.

For the record, I'm not defending religious zealots, but this sort of reaction is to be expected in a staunch islamic state, ESPECIALLY in a deprived nation like Sudan, where inequality fuels hate as well. For someone to move to the country and be completely ignorant of something like this is completely astonishing, but you all jump to her defence?

Give me a break.

The_DiasBoro Posted on 30/11 14:02
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Do these people know that it is not an actual bear, or even an likeness of a bear?

The_Prophet_Mohammed Posted on 30/11 14:04
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yes we do. she make fun of our prophet mohammed. she have no respect for islam. she is an infadel.

Borotmt Posted on 30/11 14:06
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The western civilisation stands at a cross roads here.
Over the last 400 years we have gradually rid ourselves of the need to believe in religious fairy tales whilst retaining the decent humanist elements of the judaeo/christian church within our legal system.
This is not racist, this is a battle between those who believe EVERYONE has a right to their own belief system( However bizarre)
And those ( and I include christian fundamentalists) who "believe" only THEY know the truth.
Apparently 20% of the UK are Athiest, why do we let mumbojumbo be quoted as justification FOR ANYTHING!
These people are delusional.
One person hears voices= Madness
10 people hear voices= Religion
Next time you hear anyone spout this drivel challenge them, the mass religions lend creadence to the extremist.
Inventing "reasons" is childish, admiting you dont know( creation etc) is adult.

--- Post edited by Borotmt on 30/11 14:10 ---

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 14:08
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Number 10 I can't help feeling you're backing the wrong horse on this one. I'm sure most Sudanese people are embarassed by this and would sooner not live under totalitarian religious law; they probably feel they should choose to be good Muslims, not be beholden to the state as to what a good Muslim constitutes. The angry mob are dangerous but often in the minority. To say "this is the Sudanese way" ends up being more racist than simply pointing out the obvious, that if this is Sudanese law, than Sudanese law is 1,200 years out of date, and not in line with any worldwide agreed standard on human rights, rights for women, freedom of religion and minority rights.

Boromart Posted on 30/11 14:09
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F"or gods sake, don't you all watch the news? Don't you all remember the stink kicked up about the Danish cartoons?"
What the fook has that got to do with this situation. The woman didn't suggest teh name, she was put in a situation by the suggestion by one of the children. For all she new refusing to name the bear Mohammed may have caused offence.

"sort of reaction is to be expected in a staunch islamic state" -- expected, yes I agree.....accepted and tolerated - certainly not.

"ESPECIALLY in a deprived nation like Sudan" -- and here is teh crux of my problem, the thing that really grips my schit. Deprived nation, the west help through aid, personal donations and people going over to help (in this case to raise education standards). How do they repay this work.....lynch mobs, hate, terror, anti-western rhetoric. 7/11 bombers were fookin ethopians, the good people of this country put millions into stopping them starving, the state offered them a home an education and a of a better life. How do they repay, bomb our citizens in the name religion. Now that truly is ASTONISHING!

--- Post edited by Boromart on 30/11 14:12 ---

Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 14:10
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Bollox Boromt, how many of those 20% "yes i'm an atheist" etc are still saying that when thay are coughing their last?

not many i shouldn't wonder.

ings_lane_red Posted on 30/11 14:15
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One solution to solve the whole problem .. Just completely bomb the whole of the Middle East ad declare iit the modern day Hiroshima.

End of Story

number_10 Posted on 30/11 14:15
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Christ, the racial superiority and the real western way is best belief in this thread is truely frightening.

Boromart Posted on 30/11 14:17
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camsell, some of that 20% may question if they backed the right horse with atheism.....but that is just peer pressure put on them by the remains of religious belief in this country which they have been subjected to throughout their life.

If you live your entire life as an atheist and then spend the last 2 weeks thinking schit I'm gonna die, maybe there is a god, then being open to the possibility in a time of stress and soul searching doesn't make you a believer or a lifetime agnostic.

Boromart Posted on 30/11 14:18
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"the racial superiority "

number_10, I suggest you take that back, no one has brought "race" into this, just religion.

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Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 14:23
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My own personal view on this is that i believe anyone should have the right to worship what ever religion they want (apart from mormons they are just wierd) and should be free to do so,my issue is with dogmatic state religion like in these islamic nations where sharia law is the will of god and to eve question this is punishable (in some cases by death). I am sorry that may offend some but i henostely don't care as i live in a country where i can say that these poor bstards though aren't so lucky.

Free speech is the greatest gift we have.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire

Borotmt Posted on 30/11 14:24
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Camsell, Ive had to watch 2 very close relative die in the last 2 years one a devout Catholic and one an agnostic if not outright atheist.
Which do you think had the greatest fear of death?
I can tell you it changed my whole perspective on organised religion.
Why arnt religious funerals happy affairs?
Ever asked yourself that?

Oh, and
"Jesus loves you ,but your for eternal damnation in the fires of hell if you dont keep his 10 rules"
"120000 pure of heart and unspoiled by women(?!?!) will ascend to heaven on judgement day"
you say I'M talkin Bollox?

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 14:31
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Sorry Number 10, that its come as a shock to you that not everyone is as relativist as yourself. I think relativism is symptomatic of taking precisely those Western values you denigrate for granted; and perhaps the lack of awareness that whilst we talk freely in our warm rooms of the incompetence of our politicians and the nonsense in our Holy Books, real people are dying real deaths and getting real wounds for doing the self-same thing abroad.

But in reality this needn't be about "Western" values, but values in general. Do you have any?

Its not about saying we're right, you're wrong; but about saying we don't know who is right, let everyone make their case and have the right to be heard and to defend themselves.

Sudan is in the grip of a particularly nasty strain of religious fanaticism, which we can't avert our eyes from and we certainly can't just leave them to it; as real people are dying, and No Man is an Island. There's no point dismissing this case either, as this is just the thin end of a very malign wedge.

Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 14:32
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No i said your view that education removes religion is bollox, like i said its a personal opinion many people use religion as a comfort and it offers them great hope, many in the former soviet union only had their religion to keep them free so yes it can be viewed in many different ways, not all of them negative.

another good quote from Voltaire

I know many books which have bored their readers, but I know of none which has done real evil.

the first thing the taliban did was to burn books and ban tv as this enabled them to control peoples minds as well as there bodies.

Let us not forget that Galileo Galilei was sentenced to house arrest by the pope for daring to say the earth revolves around the sun for which he was accused and convicted of blasphemy.

number_10 Posted on 30/11 14:32
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You are rattling on about how "our" money has paid for anything, and basically that they should be subservient because of this. That isn't a superiority complex?

Maybe not racial superiority, but certainly western. This is one of our citizens living in their country, and they have the right to govern their nation as they see fit. If they choose to obey islamic law, then that is their perogative not ours. If one of our citizens moves to their nation, they are under the same laws as the rest of the Sudanese population. Just like any sudanese living in Britain must obey ours. (cue little Englander rant).

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 14:40
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"they have the right to govern their nation as they see fit. If they choose to obey islamic law, then that is their perogative not ours"

Yes I absolutely agree. So remind me when the last election or poll or referendum was conducted in Sudan to see what the people really thought about how their country should be governed?

number_10 Posted on 30/11 14:42
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Ah I see, so you propose we go marching in and tell them how to run the show then Moxzin?

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 14:42
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spot on moxzin....

Sudan has no concept of democracy, how the fook does Number10 know what the sudanese want they've never been asked.

Number10, you are a Grade A asshole.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 14:43
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How about we leave them to it and have another Darfur

moron

Borotmt Posted on 30/11 14:47
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No10, how did they Choose?
show of hands? ( no pun intended)
Does our responsibility for civilised behavior toward our fellow man stop at an imaginary line?
Islam is particularly venal arm of the Abramaic fairytail.
If it wasnt so wrong it would be laughable.
Cant you people get a hobbie, like football...

--- Post edited by Borotmt on 30/11 14:49 ---

coffdrop Posted on 30/11 14:47
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"Oh, and
"Jesus loves you ,but your for eternal damnation in the fires of hell if you dont keep his 10 rules"
"120000 pure of heart and unspoiled by women(?!?!) will ascend to heaven on judgement day"
you say I'M talkin Bollox?"


Well I say; that is bollox.

Religion is the opium and thus the control of the masses. It's a tool for corrupt powers to control those that don't know any better. It maybe wasn't meant to be that way, but that's the way it turned out. Mindbending stuff, in that it is brainwashing in it's extreme form. In the less extreme form, it gives people with humdrum and hard lives, some hope that there is something to look forward too in the future and therefore less likely to question the stupid decisions of those who wield power.

Regarding to the 120000 mentioned above, did you realise that the Johova's Witnesses (or is it the mormons?) who knock on your door, trying to recruit to the religion, think that the more recruits they get then the more chance thay have of ascending to heaven as one of the 120000? Try telling them that they are commiting an evil act by denying someone ahead of them, in the queue, from their chance of paradise in the afterlife. It can create a certain amount of confusion in their poor brainwashed little minds.

keelo Posted on 30/11 14:47
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BOMB THE BARSTARDS!!!!

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 14:48
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No but you've just trapped yourself. You say the Sudanese people should be allowed to run their own country as they see fit, whilst in reality thats the one thing the Sudanese government won't let its people do.

You can't have it both ways.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 14:49
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Its people like Number10 that give Islam a bad name, ill-educated little shoites with chips on their shoulders.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 14:52
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He's probably fooked off to look for some internet article that tries to blame the current situation in Sudan fairly and squarely on the west and the dictatorship in power holds no responsibility.

Borotmt Posted on 30/11 14:53
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Coffdrop,
read my posts
I think we both agree,
the "oh and" was directed at Camsell , who described ny views as bollox, his further posts seem to bring him nearer to my views( on freedom not religion)
cheers

spectrum Posted on 30/11 14:58
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The thing is if Number-10 complained even though he is in a minority of 1 we would all be labeled either racist or anti religion and get took to court and barred off the board. Why do only a small minority in this country seem to have the hierarchy by the balls.

dibzzz Posted on 30/11 14:59
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I'ts a fcuking teddy bear ffs!!!!!!

Firstly I'm flabbergasted they didn't sentence her to 40 lashes, I thought that was nailed on.

Mr Brown, you are a disgrace to this country if she stays another night in that prison.

If the Sudanese ignore our demands to release her then our elite forces in to get her out of there.

Then do the following until they formally apologise for this Human Rights abomination:

1. Stop all aid to Sudan.

2. Bring home all our professionals who are doing a great job such as Teachers, Doctors, Nurses etc.

3. Exempt them from the 3rd world debt right-off.

4. Send any prisoner in British jails with a Sudanese passport back over to Sudan.

It's going to explode over here in the near future with all this Muslim tension, it's beyond a joke now.

10hickton Posted on 30/11 15:02
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Shoot the fookin lot of em ! Make the world a healthier place !

number_10 Posted on 30/11 15:03
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Ah I see it now, lets all march in and tell them how to do it. THAT'LL FIX EM.

I give islam a bad name though, that is a good one, not being a muslim or at any point having claimed my superiority to a religion in this thread. Fantastic.

Stop all aid to Sudan. Brilliant! How better to punish religious fanatics than to starve the already deprived in their country? That certainly won't spread ill feeling throughout the under developed world. Brilliant, you sir should be running this country with such genius.

Jesus wept.

--- Post edited by number_10 on 30/11 15:04 ---

spectrum Posted on 30/11 15:04
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Are you allowed to mention Jesus

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 15:06
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Number 10...

Stop all aid to Sudan. Brilliant! How better to punish religious fanatics than to starve the already deprived in their country? That certainly won't spread ill feeling throughout the under developed world. Brilliant, you sir should be running this country with such genius.

..so the alternative, go there to try and educate the children of an impoverished country and risk getting 15 days in jail for accidentally putting your foot in it

JonMc Posted on 30/11 15:09
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Number_10 v the world.

Go for it kidda. You'll get there eventually.

number_10 Posted on 30/11 15:11
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Yeah, because i'm sure she wasn't being paid for the work she was doing.

She took the job, she lived in the country, she should be aware of such things.

Keep preaching the islam hate though, then maybe this religious / race war you right wingers have been secretly hoping for for years will finally happen. Then you can finally say I told you so.

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 15:12
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"Ah I see it now, lets all march in and tell them how to do it. THAT'LL FIX EM."

No-ones suggesting anything of the sort, and whats more you know it.

You probably think you're being left-wing but in siding with a rather grubby, authoritarian bunch of religious gangsters and assuming to speak for the Sudanese people in accepting their rule, you're outflanking the Little Englanders on the reactionary right.

Anyone who supports progressive movements in Sudan or at least the ending of superstition and slaughter; can at least start by not pandering to this kind of travesty.

number_10 Posted on 30/11 15:13
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Funny isn't it. I think smogontherhine is actually going to implode from permarage shortly.

number_10 Posted on 30/11 15:15
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Travesty?

Get real and get of your right wing band wagon Mox. The woman has been imprisoned for 15 days and is then being deported for offending the state religion.

It's hardly a travesty.

Why are these protestors "grubby" by the way mox? Interesting choice of word that. Explain it to me.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 15:20
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Number10 - you clearly have no idea what a "right-wing band-wagon" is, but you may find you've been unexpectedly riding on it for a long time.

Educate yourself and come back in 15 years when you've read something and lived a little.

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 15:21
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The rulers of Sudan are the grubby ones, dear Mr 10, and when the links between Khartoum and the janjaweed are fully unraveled I think 'grubby' would be quite a kind term to use.

And yes - 15 days is a travesty. Any wrongful detainment would be a travesty. Having a 'state religion' is a travesty, and I obviously include ourselves in that.

And I would repeat - there's nothing left-wing about supporting or defending such a hideous and reactionary status quo as that which governs Sudan.

One of the key tenets of leftism is Internationalism, another is Universalism.

Relativism into Socialism just does not go.

Boromart Posted on 30/11 15:22
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"You are rattling on about how "our" money has paid for anything, and basically that they should be subservient because of this. That isn't a superiority complex?" -- not at all I'm not saying our way is better. But we are the haves and have made concerted efforts to help the have nots. Thats nothing to do with being 'superior', it's a statement of fact.

"Maybe not racial superiority, but certainly western." -- again your talking utter bollox. So your taking back your racism claims?

" This is one of our citizens living in their country, and they have the right to govern their nation as they see fit" --I don't want to repeat what has already been said the wise posters on here, but the sudanese don't have any say in who governs sudan.

I was going to say what dibzzz said. Certainly the first 2 items word for word. By giving aid to impoverished nations that are not democratic we are actually extended the reign of terror effected upon the population. By withdrawing aid the governemnt will eventually collapse. Yes there will be famine and starvation and death, but by helping them we are actually holding them back. They have to rise and force democracy we can't do it for them.

--- Post edited by Boromart on 30/11 15:25 ---

number_10 Posted on 30/11 15:22
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Smog, you don't seem to have any sort of constructive point in this whole argument. Infact, with some of your views, you are in far more dire need of education.

Religion should be laughed at according to you. My, a clever one, aren't you?

Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 15:23
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the state religion.

and herein lies the problem who decreed that everyone in the state should worship one way and should follow sharia law?

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 15:23
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"then maybe this religious / race war you right wingers have been secretly hoping for for years will finally happen. "

What an absolute and ignorant comment to make.

Who on here preaches hatred on British streets against Muslims? In fact where do you come across British people wanting to harm others due to beliefs. Only inside and outside the mosques will you find such intolerance. Preached by those who wish to impose their religious laws on anyone who fails to follow their way.

You trap yourself into believing that the liberalism you espouse should include the Islamic fascism that is at the heart of these very problems.

It took many years and many lives before we threw the shackles of religious rulers from this country. You think you are preaching from a position of superiority, quite the opposite.

What you are defending is the subjection of many millions of people, especially woman, to a barbaric and evil system.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/11 15:26
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Religion should be laughed at according to you. My, a clever one, aren't you?

I stand by that, if you're stupid enough to believe without questioning, why shouldn't I laugh.

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 15:26
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BTW Moxzin, very well argued indeed.

Borotmt Posted on 30/11 15:29
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radiogaga
Top Post, fully agree

dibzzz Posted on 30/11 15:30
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Number_10

"Ah I see it now, lets all march in and tell them how to do it. THAT'LL FIX EM."

"Stop all aid to Sudan. Brilliant! How better to punish religious fanatics than to starve the already deprived in their country?"

If you read my post correctly I didn't mention anything about telling them how to do it, nor did I lean towards punishing the Sudanese public as you seem to make out.

In short, I would like to see our government get tough on this nonsense until the Sudanese government get a grip and learn that Great Britain and her people will not stand for this blatant excuse to stir anti-western sentiment.

Brown of course will do nothing as he has no backbone and is more afraid of upsetting Muslim extremists than helping an innocent and decent British citizen.

IT's A FCUKING TEDDY BEAR FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!

number_10 Posted on 30/11 15:40
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I don't believe i'm the one declaring my political allegiances at the drop of a hat. Nor at one point have I stated any support for the Sudanese government, an argument you seem to have started to detract from the real argument.

We can argue on all day about these side debates, but the main issue remains the woman has been arrested for offending a state she willingly moved to. They've arrested and are deporting her. They will not execute her, despite a few extremist protestors. Even Britain has it's own extremists such as the B.N.P., the only different being they're a bit more clever in wording their own intolerances. She's guilty of the same ignorance as several people on here. You cannot simply move to another country and expect them to change their laws and traditions as you see fit. She has moved there through her own free will, so she is subject to the laws of the state, which was in power long before she moved to the country. How you could live in an islamic state and not even stop and think about the potential reactions to using such a name is quite beyond me. We are talking about a grown adult here, not a child.

Don't get me wrong, I hope she is returned safely, but to start demanding another state to free someone for breaking their laws, simply because it is hard for our culture to comprehend is prepostorous.

dibzzz Posted on 30/11 15:43
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Cheers Boromart for backing me up there.

Someone else seeing the light.

Sudan will not see a famine due to our hard line for a fortnight as Sudan receives aid from other nations

If we temporally stopped aid to Sudan until she is released and they also apologised for it then they would get the message that we as a nation will not tolerate this silliness.

It's A FCUKING TEDDY BEAR FOR FCUKS SAKE!

number_10 Posted on 30/11 15:43
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dibzzz, how would any such action punish anyone other than the sudanese public?

Smogontherhine, with an attitude like that, I think you're very poorly placed to comment on international relations. Just because you aren't religious yourself dosn't give you free reign to offend others.

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 15:49
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You seem to believe that is was very obvious that what happened should have avoidable. That the woman should have known that naming the teddy bear would offend.

I disagree. This is far from the Danish cartoon scene, where images were created to offend. And those images were of Allah.

This Muhammad situation is nothing like that. No-one names a child Allah as far as I am aware. Muhammad on the other hand is not only a name given to a child, but is often adopted as a title by converts, like Muhammad Ali.

Islamic fascists are using this woman for their own ends against the West.

And that is what is wrong.

Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 15:49
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N10 some things for you to ponder about the wonders of sharia law.

In most interpretations of Sharia, conversion by Muslims to other religions, is strictly forbidden and is termed apostasy. Muslim theology equates apostasy to treason, and in most interpretations of sharia, the penalty for apostasy is death.

So anyon who refutes the way of sharia is in punishable by death, not much free speech their then.

and then there is this gem

under Sharia a woman who is accused of adultery cannot be punished unless there are four male eyewitnesses (or eight female ones, since two females equal one male witness)

So two females equal one male under sharia law.

I say again this whole thing is due to the fact that it was done by a western woman.

dibzzz Posted on 30/11 15:50
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Number_10

Read the post dimwit, I'll say it again as you obviously find it hard to digest what you read, a two week sanction until she is released will not harm the Sudanese people as they receive aid from other nations.

It's time for firm and resolute political action from our Government so that the Sudanese government take notice.

IT's A FCUKING TEDDY BEAR FOR FCUKS SAKE!

captain5 Posted on 30/11 15:51
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The Sudanese wouldn't back down just because we threatened them with aid withdrawal.

Few reasons.

It's mainly charities who give it out, rather than countries and would step in to cover any shortfall.

Other counries give more than us and would step in to cover the shortfall.

If the Sudanese authorities cared that much about their people, don't you think they'd be a bit less in the crap right now??

dibzzz Posted on 30/11 15:56
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Fair point Captain5.

I still think it's the avenue we should take.

Take note Number_10, see how easy it is to rationalise and discuss with people?

Capybara Posted on 30/11 15:56
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Congratulations, monst

Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 15:56
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From amnesty internationals site

The sentence of 100 lashes imposed on a 14-year-old pregnant unmarried girl in Nyala convicted of illegal sexual intercourse in 2003 was commuted.

dibzzz Posted on 30/11 15:59
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What happened to the bloke who also contributed to this illeagl sexual intercourse?

See how fcuked up the judicial system is in Sudan?

onthemap Posted on 30/11 16:03
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So ignorance of the law is accepted as innocence now?

darlo_fanatic Posted on 30/11 16:04
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This sounds like a job for Magnet and Steel


Smogidunk Posted on 30/11 16:08
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If they are so glad to fil ltheir Jails up for no reason why dont we just deport al lthe sudanese people in our Jails which we are paying for- seems agood idea to me!

moxzin87 Posted on 30/11 16:12
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Your post of 15:40 is a lot more reasonable number_10.

I've never liked this idea that we have no right to make judgments on other country's systems, and still less right to intervene in them; because as has been mentioned, in some cases these systems are imposed from above on a non-consulted population. I do believe that there are a certain few universal values. They're not necessarily 'Western' values, though some certainly evolved there, but values incubated in too in the Middle East, particular the 'Golden Age' of Islam, for whilst the manuscripts of Plato, Aristotle and Homer were being burned in Europe, they were being carefully stored, copied and debated in Baghdad. So this idea of rights is really not a chauvinist thing - its anything but.

Now what you mentioned is interesting, the idea that a person going to a country has to obey their laws or face the consequences, a form of contract if you will that you sign voluntarily by entering the country and earning a living there. This is fine but it rests on the premise that the law is legitimate and accountable; not imposed by a religious junta and based on an arbitary reading of sharia law. No-one would argue that being Jewish in Germany in 1936 marked you out justly for punishment, even though that was the law at the time in Germany. Do we blame the Jews for their ignorance of the law? Or do we say that the law was unfair? Its not arguing ad absurdum but just questioning the omnipotence of a law when a ruling clique of religious strongmen are in charge.

In any case, all of this assumes that she actually did break the law, which I think is very disputable indeed; and as others have alluded to, there may be more to this - the colour of her skin, her gender, her religion. And if any of that was so, surely this all becomes indefensible.

Camsell_345 Posted on 30/11 16:14
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this poll from a web site http://www.sudan.net/pollit_files/poll/past/45245.html

shows maybe N10 view that its the way they want it isn't exactly the case

Should Sudan be governed by Islamic (Sharia) Law?

No. 65%

Yes.35%

ankeny Posted on 30/11 16:15
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Number 10 I despair of people like you,take that left wing,political correct,guardian reading wool out over your eyes and realise whats happening in the real world.If not,its coming your way soon I fear

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 16:16
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"So ignorance of the law is accepted as innocence now?"

Don't be so stupid. It is how a law is interpreted that brings about these situations.

Do they have a law specific to the naming of children's toys?

Of course not. She was caught up in a catch all religious piece of fanacicism.

peacan_bliss6 Posted on 30/11 16:21
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Maybe we in England should think about a full cleansing programme fight fire with fire

Boromart Posted on 30/11 16:29
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I'll repeat this since you didn't comment on it -- The woman didn't suggest the name, she was put in a situation by the suggestion by one of the children. For all she new refusing to name the bear Muhammad may have caused offence.

Lets just say she refused to name the Teddy Bear Muhammed. I can see the Sudan Times headlines right now --- "UK teacher attempts to debase Islam Teaching in Sudan Schools............School teacher Gillian Gibbons refused to allow her pupils to name Teddy bear in honour of the prophet Mohammed........Parents and local clerics united in disgust at this heinous act by the infidel from the west.....Gibbons was arrested and awaiting trial........crowds have gathered outside the prison asking for her to be shot.".

--- Post edited by Boromart on 30/11 16:33 ---

jd1973 Posted on 30/11 17:05
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Gillian Gibbons is......

Deidre Barlow.

Coronation Street has realistic plotlines.

Next thing you know the Gordon Brown's wife will be revealed as a trans-sexual, Alistair Darling will try and kill his wife and kids by driving a Zafira into the Thames after knocking off various FTSE-100 listed banks chief execs for their penison money, and the Tories will be in power!

Trust me - you read it hear first.

Professor_Popkiss Posted on 30/11 17:14
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Couldn't the Sudanese just have sentenced the teddy bear to 200 lashes on the grounds that it willingly and blasphemesly accepted the name of Mohammed.

--- Post edited by Professor_Popkiss on 30/11 17:15 ---

axel1974 Posted on 30/11 17:16
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why on earth did she set foot in that bum hole of a country in the first place?

onthemap Posted on 30/11 17:34
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"Do they have a law specific to the naming of children's toys?"
Yes mate they do - she's in prison now for flouting it, watch the news, they'll run the story.
You might not agree with Sudanese laws or be ignorant of them but it doesn't change anything.

--- Post edited by onthemap on 30/11 17:38 ---

coffdrop Posted on 30/11 17:40
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As I understand it the law prohibits the naming of pets and inanimate objects after the Prophet, as that will encourage idol worship, something that is also against Sharia law IIRC. The law also prohibits statues of Mohammed or pictures depicting the likeness of him, hence the problems with the Danish cartoons.

axel1974 Posted on 30/11 17:41
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all religion should be banned ..... causes nothing but trouble as far as i am concerned

glippy Posted on 30/11 17:47
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What's the point in spending billions on Trident when we let Iran kidnap our sailors and the Sudenese treat our citizens like this?

radiogaga Posted on 30/11 18:13
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"You might not agree with Sudanese laws or be ignorant of them but it doesn't change anything."

Utter balls, if that was the case then Lord Ahmed would not be going over there.

Hardwickgeorge Posted on 30/11 18:13
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Where I am living, you find plenty of inanimate objects named Mohammed!

onthemap Posted on 30/11 18:18
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It's ok now because the mad mullahs have achieved their ultimate objective of closing the childrens school down.

Radiogaga "I suspect the closure of the school was the real agenda by the extremists."

Cobain_94 Posted on 30/11 18:43
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I can't believe some f_uckin halfwits on here are defending these dickheads. Why would the fact that naming a teddy bear Mohammed even cross your mind as being against the law? It just wouldn't even enter your thoughts. number10 you're saying a woman should be locked up, not for murder or theft but for naming a teddy bear, A F_UCKIN TEDDY BEAR. Have a word with yourself.


--- Post edited by Cobain_94 on 30/11 18:44 ---

green_beret20 Posted on 30/11 18:46
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Apparently the concept of discretion in that s*ithole was banned along with it's concept of decent humanity but hey, the law is the law apparently, no matter it's idiocy.

I'm so glad you can so much understanding to it's reigning govt currently responsible for the genocide of 400,000 lives.

kazzaxxx Posted on 30/11 18:48
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she has now been moved to a secret location for her own safety

TheRedCosack Posted on 30/11 19:11
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get someone in there and pay off the guards, get her back and legs rubbed down with a numbing cream. At the end of the day its not the rights and the wrongs, its the pain felt by her.

--- Post edited by TheRedCosack on 30/11 19:11 ---

Lefty3668 Posted on 30/11 23:25
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Mox,

Some of the best stuff you've posted on this thread.

elnino1 Posted on 30/11 23:56
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Number_10, I'm stunned by your pure ignorance, I really am.

Gaga, Moxin, I salute you Sirs.

number_10 Posted on 1/12 2:14
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Aye, i'm the ignorant one.

Brilliant. Some people are so brutally ignorant and stupid it's actually painful to read. At least Moxzin can formulate a reasonable argument. Those of you who can't grasp why it is offensive because it is "just a teddy bear" are the ones I really fear for, because how you have read this thread and still failed to comprehend how it is offensive, is quite stunning to be honest.

Goodnight.