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onthemap Posted on 29/06/2008 23:23
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This is going to be an interesting season.

Mojo Posted on 29/06/2008 23:28
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You do come across as some one who is only happy when you're moaning about something.

ccole Posted on 29/06/2008 23:30
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Yawn, fooking big yawn...



....and reading your post's isn't going to make it go any faster, is it?

onthemap Posted on 29/06/2008 23:30
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Thanks for that. I'll remember to include an apology in my posts if they're of a negative nature.

Timboi Posted on 29/06/2008 23:33
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Mappy - even for you this is heavy on the half-empty way of thinking.

What's the date? How long before the season starts?

ccole Posted on 29/06/2008 23:34
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Can you please give me a link to a post of yours about MFC which wasnt of a negative nature?

onthemap Posted on 29/06/2008 23:39
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Ok I'll tell you where we are now and what positions/players are a worry.

GK - Needs possibly the biggest signing for a long time yet Southgates comments seem to indicate he thinks we're fine there.

LB - Neither Taylor nor Pog are the answer.

CB - Huth is injury prone and I don't rate Riggott as a back up

CM - Arca and Rocky were not good enough last season, we've lost Rocky and George is more or less finished. Don't even mention Cattermole.

Up front is probably the only area, with Alves Mido and Tuncay, that I'd say we should be ok if we don't make a signing.

So tell me, how is that overly negative? It's where we are now, it could and should change but until it does that's what we have.

ccole Posted on 29/06/2008 23:39
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It's taking some searching?

Let me re-phrase the question in case you didnt understand it the first time round..

"Can you please give me a link to a post of yours about MFC which wasnt of a negative nature?"

onthemap Posted on 29/06/2008 23:41
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Does the search facility go back beyong Southgates appointment then?

superstu Posted on 29/06/2008 23:50
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Some of your posts are absurdly negative.
"Arca and Rocky were not good enough last season, we've lost Rocky..."
If you didn't rate Rochemback why would you describe him as a loss? Surely that sentence should go "Arca and Rocky were not good enough last season, we've got rid of Rochemback..."

that_be_me Posted on 29/06/2008 23:51
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this summer will be very interesting as im expecting a lot of activity ins and outs hopefully robinson and an attacking midfielder on top of harper digard and emnes + replacing any that we let go from now on. if boateng,arca,cattermole,huth or young leave they will need to be replaced by quality players oh and id like that rat (romania left back) he was quality

Johnson Posted on 30/06/2008 00:00
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'GK - Needs possibly the biggest signing for a long time yet Southgates comments seem to indicate he thinks we're fine there' Yep, that's worrying

'LB - Neither Taylor nor Pog are the answer.'
Taylor's OK with me, Poga will be a central defender. A backup/experienced LB required

'CB - Huth is injury prone and I don't rate Riggott as a back up'
Poga and Wheater as first choice, Huth as backup

'CM - Arca and Rocky were not good enough last season, we've lost Rocky and George is more or less finished. Don't even mention Cattermole.'
Everyone knows that's where we need to spend the big money, sounds like we're making a few in roads in that department, and if the worst comes to the worst Tuncay could play in midfield

Strikers?, yeah I think we're OK. I think/hope Alves will be a revelation next season. Personally I'd play him with Tuncay but I think GS will play Ali - with Mido on the bench. Not sure what that means for Tuncay

onthemap Posted on 30/06/2008 00:01
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'If you didn't rate Rochemback why would you describe him as a loss?'

That'll be because crap as he ultimately was, he was better than nothing, which is what we've replaced him with.

ccole Posted on 30/06/2008 00:06
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Can someone please give Mappy a nudge, I think his record is stuck again.

Boring, boring

Johnson Posted on 30/06/2008 00:08
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'which is what we've replaced him with'

OK! Because the transfer window closed today?

There's been hardly any transfer movement so far for any teams, it'll hot up in a couple of weeks

that_be_me Posted on 30/06/2008 00:08
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we need to wait and see how harper plays a lot of people me included thought luke young was rubbish last season as only seen him in a few games against boro one that stood out was at the valley where johnson skinned him for about 50 minutes until some one took him out wait and see before you judge him he might turn out to be just what weve been looking for a box to box midfielder with loads of energy. i may be wrong but lets just wait and see

onthemap Posted on 30/06/2008 00:09
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ccole
I bore you that much you respond 4 times.
Another clown who hammers the keyboard whenever i want him to.

ccole Posted on 30/06/2008 00:11
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You keep pulling one off mate on the attention you seek so much.

Nearly finished yet?

BTW - you still hav'nt answered two of four the posts you mention.

onthemap Posted on 30/06/2008 00:13
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You really can't help it can you.

I'll answer a question of yours one day,I promise.

There is that encouragement enough? One day son, one day, keep reading.

Timboi Posted on 30/06/2008 00:16
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OK - you've completely ignored the point of my questions.

The point I was trying to make is that it is June. We have months to recruit more players and at least until the season starts it's completely pointless having a pop at our squad and how thin it is.

I don't doubt it will be thinner than some others but let's not pretend we're a big enough club to accommodate 2 great players for every position. Nice as it would be, there's no way we could keep them all happy.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 30/06/2008 09:03
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Mappy, why bother?This site is full of contradictions - We are presently weaker - yet we'll do better according to Lamb and some posters.Southgate is learning - yet according to words from his mouth we don't need a keeper.Young fit enthusiastic players is the way forward.

I cannot believe how much naivity there is - watch out cue Adi Bongo!!!!!

Boromart Posted on 30/06/2008 09:41
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I have seen 10 years of internet folk predicting our impending relegation. We are still here.

My opinion -

the keepers - one of them might step up, or they might not. We might get a new keeper or we might not. It's an impossible one to judge right now.

the defence is healthy, a top left back would improve it though.

Midfield - lacks goals, lacks quality in the CM. However until we have finished our signings it will be hard to judge. Boat will have a big job in the first 2 months as we bed the other new players in.

Strikers - not a problem - Alves is aclimatised and Mido is looking fit. That is two top class strikers more than we had this time last year.

It's too early to predict where we will finish at the moment, and it's too early to start worrying about how 'interesting' this season will be.

Adi_Dem Posted on 30/06/2008 09:56
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How pathetic Holgate.

I am nowhere near naive. It is telling that anyone that disagrees with you, you label as naive. I wonder why?

Both you and mappie are cut from the same cloth.

Answer me one simple question, the pair of you - do you think that the squad we have today will be the squad we have at the end of the transfer window?

If you answer yes then you're dafter than I thought and if you answer no then shut up and stop moaning.

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 30/06/2008 09:56
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Spot on Boromart.

Two months to go before the transfer window closes. We may or may not sign 5-6 players including keeper, backup LB, 2/3 CM, RM.

Panic at the end August if we have a crap start to the season, are conceding crap goals, midfield looks crap, and we are not scoring.

Boromart Posted on 30/06/2008 10:11
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I guess the SBBs (sandwich board brigade) are always in full force in close season, there is no way for the team to prove them wrong.

We haven't won a game or even scored a goal for 6 weeks, FFS, the end of the world is nigh. [:)]

I'll save my judgement until Sept 1st when the transfer window shuts, or earlier if we get some good players in.

The_same_as_before Posted on 30/06/2008 10:13
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This mappy lad who does he support?

LemmyKilmister Posted on 30/06/2008 10:26
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We could sign the whole of Spains squad from the Euros and it still wouldn't be good enough for some.

Ok then...to the eternal pessimists

Who should be our manager, and which players should replace the ones deemed by yourselves as not good enough.

Not looking for excuses into what Gibson should have done when McClaren left etc....name names please.

onthemap Posted on 30/06/2008 11:06
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None of you nor I have any idea who we are going to sign, and Adi yes the chances are that we will sign someone, so your comments are as usual a little silly - unless you want to say I told you so again whether we sign another Alves or a Jason Euell.

Southgate has said he doesn't see a keeper as a priority,maybe it's not true?, he hasn't sorted the RM or LB berths in two seasons, he was found out with Arca and Rocky in CM and nothing has been done since apart from offloading one of them.

Potentially we could be about to sign Ashley Cole and Steven Gerrard, I don't F***ing know, but until we do something the squad is as thin as Amy F***ing Winehouse and whether you like it or not it was stronger last season (albeit only because George was a year younger and we had Rocky to make up the numbers) but for most of it we were relegation fodder.

You keep saying Southgate is learning, when in fact all he's learning is that we have a lot of gullible fans who refuse to face reality.
We blew it two seasons back and now we're looking to make that fourth from bottom spot our own, nothing more.

Mavrick Posted on 30/06/2008 11:15
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I was saying a something simular the other day about our squad. I cant believe some people in this board cant take the facts that our squad is currently weaker than what it has been for a long time!

Adi_Dem Posted on 30/06/2008 11:23
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I suggest you go back to your orginal post mappie.

No-one can possibly argue that the squad isn't weaker. It is. Is it as weak as you think? Well, no not in my opinion. We have lost Rochemback. You argued for the entirety of last season that he shouldn't be in the team. So what have we lost? Schwarzer? So we need to sign a keeper to be as we were last season? That's not really the point here though.

You started off by saying that the squad is thin and that therefore it should be an interesting season. You were implying that our weak squad is going to make it interesting.

The simple point being made in response is that it is June. The season is weeks away and we ARE going to sign players. You are therefore overreacting, as you usually do. So your comments are as usual a little silly.

Mavrick Posted on 30/06/2008 11:34
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HAHA Adi_Dem WTF are you talking about.

My post actually said southgate has no real pulling power to bring in players to better our squad. Southgate cant see what we all see which is Boro being short of a very good goal keeper and how i think Southgate will be sacked if he has a season simular to last season!

My other point is all the 8-1 win has done is paint over some of the cracks that we have had all season like failing to score goals from the midfield up.

IMO we need to treat day 1 as a relegation battle and were going to be crying out for a new goal keeper in January!

easycomeeasygo Posted on 30/06/2008 11:43
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goalkeepers:- turnbull, jones
rightbacks:-young, mcmahon, hines
leftbacks:- taylor, pogatetz, grounds
centre backs:-huth, riggott, wheater, bates
left midfield:-downing, johnson, porritt
right midfield:-o'neill, franks
centre mid:-shawky, arca, boateng, cattermolle
centre forward:-tuncay, mido, alves, aliadiere

note that four or five of these players are versatile and can do a job on either of the flanks. with a few additions which will undoubtedly come i think the squad is fine

Adi_Dem Posted on 30/06/2008 12:09
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Mavrick - my post wasn't directed at you.

Boromart Posted on 30/06/2008 12:18
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"and whether you like it or not it was stronger last season (albeit only because George was a year younger" -- and by that same rationale we have a whole host of young players who are going to be stronger. We have several players who have just played in the prem as a starter for the first time - Tuncay, Alves, Ali, Wheater for starters who should all be improved from the experience.

"and we had Rocky to make up the numbers)" -- so whoever we sign will be at worst equally as effective, and probably better [:)]

LemmyKilmister Posted on 30/06/2008 12:22
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It's over.
We're doomed.
We're going down.

mikehunt Posted on 30/06/2008 13:07
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We have a striker who knows where the onion bag is,a nice blend of attacking options, a left winger as good as anything in the league, excellent centre backs and a very dependable right back.
Stevie Wonder could see we have some gaps and probably make a stab that it was midfield and goalkeeper.
But I believe the gaps will be filled and we will be significantly stronger at kick off than how we started or finished last season.
If the gaps are filled well then we can kick on and Gareth will be making progress. If not, then we will struggle and Gareth will have to be judged then.
But until then enjoy the summer, life's too short

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 08:22
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Bukowski Posted on 05/07/2008 08:24
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Heard anything more about potential signings Adi_Dem?

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 08:35
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Not a thing. Carson is being looked at. Robinson has visited. I hope the search for a GK continues because I fear it isn't seen as a priority and that will undo a lot of other good signings.

borobadge Posted on 05/07/2008 10:04
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...

made me laugh....



borobadge Posted on 05/07/2008 10:12
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[B)]

neilg Posted on 05/07/2008 10:15
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mappy, i dont understand how anyone can be so bloody miserable b4 we start the season.give it a break. give the lads a chance.get of gareths back. we havent finished signings yet.

show me a football team that has the perfect blend for any eventuallity during the campaign. i suppose we should all be prepared for the sun of september, the winds of november,rain of december,snow and the north east gales in january and february.

lets not play on soggy pitches with mud patches around the goal area - avoid all sliding tackles and skip over opponents challenges.come on get real.THATS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT!

i cant wait - some of this raw young talent with plenty to prove and a lot to learn are going to make this one hell of a roller coaster season for the best club in the north east. you dont know what winning feels like unless youve lost.

you cant learn without making mistakes. try asking leeds utd, leicester city and notts forest what happens when anyone gets complacent, sticks with aging journeymen, worries about change..COM ON BORO!

ccole Posted on 05/07/2008 11:06
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There’s a few regular posters missing of late.

I am sure there will be back, as soon as we are not top four or there is something negative to post about our football club.

BTW – Is Amy Winehouse putting on weight?

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 11:19
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Do these new guys know one of them is going in goal, one at left back and one right midfield?

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 11:25
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Round of applause for mappie, can always see the cloud inside the silver lining.

Your original post told us all that it would be an interesting season because of our paper thin squad. Everyone told you that it was too early to be judging the squad and that signings would be made and you, as usual, tried to belittle those people. Now that we have made two signings before the start of pre-season training can you not accept that the manager is taking steps to deal with the concerns you have raised?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/07/2008 11:30
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"Do these new guys know one of them is going in goal, one at left back and one right midfield?"

I think you'll find Emnes will be getting some football on the right wing, or I have missed something?



Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 11:39
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It's interesting that mappie identified GK, LB, CB and two CM as those positions that needed strengthening and then decides that when we buy 2 CMs they ought to play them somewhere other than midfield. I guess that just about sums him up.

The_Enigma Posted on 05/07/2008 11:41
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Mappie will be on in a minute to apologize - he's that sort of bloke.

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 11:44
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Adi
You are of the opinion that whoever we bring in strengthens the squad, we could sign 50 players of DGL quality and you'd tell me the squad had strength in depth.

Digard may be a good midfielder, may be the answer alongside Arca, you don't know whether he is any more than I do.
Had we signed a proven premiership midfielder you'd have an argument, we haven't, he's a gamble, like Shawky or Ali or DGL.

Emnes, looks good on YouTube, that's as much as you or I can say.

Jonny, a right winger is not the same as a right sided midfielder, that's why Ali is not the answer.

Sign a proven keeper, a proven LB and a proven RM and we'll have strengthened the squad.

Just to make sure you understand my viewpoint on this, we will not achieve anything whilst we have a manager who refuses to address these weaknesses.


Stabilo_Boss Posted on 05/07/2008 12:09
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The obvious, main weakness is central midfield. Southgate has signed a centre midfielder and is strongly linked with 2 others.

Even someone as blinkered as you would have to recognise that is addressing the problem surely?

You have got your knickers in such a twist about Southgate that I really think there's nothing the guy could do which you'd credit him for.

Anyone can twist things to fit their argument but not being able to acknowledge evidence that goes against your views is the sign of a pretty insecure person.

fatharrywhite Posted on 05/07/2008 12:37
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blah blah blah, usual stuff from onthemap.

it's so sad to see someone so desperate to find a negative slant on 2 new signings

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 13:03
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Tee hee.
One simple question mappie - has Southgate, with the two signings yesterday, attempted to deal with recognised weaknesses in the squad?

It's a yes or no.

As I say, you stated on this thread that there ar 4 or 5 positions where you felt we were weak.

Yesterday Gareth signed players for two of those positions. if you can agree the point that none of us know how good or bad these players are, how can you possibly argue that signing those two players yesterday was anything but a positive step?

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 15:26
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Adi simple answer is no apart from signing a dfensive midfielder we haven't dealt with the recognised weaknesses at all.

We have not addressed the LB problem, which if Pog is played there also give us a CB problem.

We have not addressed the GK problem.

We have signed a holding midfielder who is obviously the replacement for George, that's positive.

We have not signed a RM and if we carry on with GON stuck on the right touchline we will have the same problem as last season.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 15:38
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"Adi simple answer is no apart from signing a dfensive midfielder we haven't dealt with the recognised weaknesses at all."

So in actual fact the answer is yes then?

You do realise that Emnes has been bought to play on the right?

That's putting to one side the fact that GON did an excellent job on the right for the first half of the season before he suffered some niggly injuries.

Carry on though. I'm enjoying you making a fool of yourself.

TMG501 Posted on 05/07/2008 15:38
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"We have not signed a RM and if we carry on with GON stuck on the right touchline we will have the same problem as last season".

Any idea where Emnes will play mappy?

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 15:42
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That explains things, you think emnes the winger is a midfielder.

Lets hope he knows eh?

Adi I have to say that's quite funny and I bet you're actually serious.

Hercules Posted on 05/07/2008 15:45
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FYI. In mappy world, wide players aren't midfielders.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 15:45
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"...you think Emnes the winger is a midfielder?"

What are you on about?

You really are tying yourself up in knots to avoid being, in any way, positive.

otto62 Posted on 05/07/2008 15:46
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Mappy I'm curious about your repeated distinguishing between midfielders and wingers. Please help me understand your position by answering the following 2 questions.

Is Downing a left winger or a left midfielder? And if he's a left winger does that mean we should be buying a left midfielder?

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 15:48
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OK Adi your turn, answer me these simple questions. The first two are yes or no's the third is just a name.

Are we ok with the GKs we have or do we need a signing?

Are we ok with Taylor or Pog at left back?

Who are we going to play at RM?


TMG501 Posted on 05/07/2008 15:49
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Now, let me get this right mappy.
To quote your good self
"We have not signed a RM and if we carry on with GON stuck on the right touchline we will have the same problem as last season".
And then we have "you think emnes the winger is a midfielder".

Do you know what you are talking about?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/07/2008 15:51
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If I may Adi.

Time will tell with the GK situation, but the consensus is that we are still in the market for a keeper.

Yes, IMO we are ok with Pog and Taylor at LB.

GON, Emnes, Tuncay and even Ali can all play on the RHS of midfield (in that order for me).

OPEO Posted on 05/07/2008 15:54
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Mappy you are the most boring poster on this or any other board. FACT.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 15:58
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Are we ok with the GKs we have or do we need a signing?

That's not a yes and no because you've badly phrased it but the answer is we, without any doubt whatsoever, need a keeper.

Are we ok with Taylor or Pog at left back?

Yes, we are. If a left back becomes available that would improve us then great but it would not be a priority for me. We can get away with what we have.

Who are we going to play at RM?

I said throughout all of last season that I felt we might see a change in formation this coming season. However, assuming that we end up with 4-4-2 it will be Emnes or GON depending on form or fitness.

Not sure of the relevance of the questions because they don't really relate to the major flaw in your quite ridiculous argument.

We all accept that there were weaknesses in the squad. Gareth took steps to solve two of those weaknesses yesterday and yet you simply cannot allow yourself to acknowledge that the two signings yesterday were a positive step in that regard.

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 15:59
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It's the same as last season, I'm an idiot, I'm boring, Ali is the answer to the right sided problem, now Emnes or Tuncay or GON etc etc.

When the season pans out again you'll be queueing up to say you agreed with me all along.

A proven LB GK and Right sided midfielder need signing or we'll have the same problems we had last year.

Hercules Posted on 05/07/2008 16:01
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I wonder what its like in there...

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 16:01
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Mappie, you were the one arguing that Ali should be played on the right last season. Bloody hell, at least try and be consistent.

You're still missing the point by a country mile.

TMG501 Posted on 05/07/2008 16:02
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"It's the same as last season, I'm an idiot, I'm boring".[:D]

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 16:06
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Very good Adi, you know as well as I do that I wouldn't let Ali into the Riverside if I had my way.

Sometimes I think you're just looking for bites..

otto62 Posted on 05/07/2008 16:12
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Ah yes, the old "you're senile" argument. Works every time in mappyworld.

Hercules Posted on 05/07/2008 16:13
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I think I've solved it. The last time mappy was at a Boro game were they not playing with half backs, wing forwards and inside forwards?

This may be the source of confusion for the guy with regard to wingers, midfielders or forwards.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/07/2008 16:15
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OTM, the one word used by another poster recently to decribe your own posts summed it all up perfectly for me

Absurd.

otto62 Posted on 05/07/2008 16:16
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I know mappy doesn't go to any games now, but did he ever go? I just can't picture it really, not unless he could bring his armchair.

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 16:19
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My sides Hercules, my sides.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 16:25
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Still no real response to the main thrust of what I am saying though I see mappie.

You identified weaknesses. Gareth has just signed two players to fill those weak areas. That is a fact and so I ask again - is that a good thing?

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 16:27
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Keep it up boys, it's not long till the season starts and you'll have to put up with me saying "I told you so" every week again.

Remember telling me Rocky would run our midfield for years to come, Ali would score enough goals as a striker, Pog was a good left back, Downing should be sold, Cattermole was going to be our midfield general, Johnson should be on the left wing, GON is the answer to the right midfield.......no you've probably all wiped that from the memory banks.

Another season goes by and you're still non the wiser.


onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 16:31
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Adi
We've signed one player to address the 4 weak areas I listed.

Are you just being argumentative, LB RM GK are still problems.

Are you saying we've signed someone to play in one of those positions? I suspect you think we have?

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 16:32
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I've finally grasped mappie's problem. He posts but doesn't read the responses. Has anyone ever argued that Ali would score enough goals? Has anyone ever argued that Rocky would "run our midfield for years to come", that Cattermole was going to be a midfield general, that Johnson should be on the left, that Downing should be sold??

I certainly haven't and I can't recall anyone else doing so either.

I'll give it another go (despite you refusing to accept that Emnes can play on the right) - was it a positive step? Simple question.

Then again, once you've been made to look silly mappie you always retreat to your safehouse - lying about what other posters have said.

By the way,you saying "I told you so" every week would not be unusual. You actually being right about something (other than in your own mind) would be.

zzzzz Posted on 05/07/2008 16:33
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otm why did you hide after the City game?

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 16:36
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Adi
Is Emnes a midfielder?
Yes or no?

zzzz How do you hide on a messageboard? it was a great result albeit against a team in crisis.
Don't think anyone argued anything else.

otto62 Posted on 05/07/2008 16:38
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F*ck you then. I'll not be missed, but as soon as I see the mappy name on a thread I won't be reading any further and I certainly won't be contributing any more to your ton.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 16:38
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Still no answer. Incredible.

I'll answer yours though - yes.

Hercules Posted on 05/07/2008 16:39
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Sorry Adi.

Hes a wing forward isn't he mappy?

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 16:40
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What are you sorry for?

Hercules Posted on 05/07/2008 16:42
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You got the wrong answer. Its an onthemap thread in onthemap world. This is where Emnes is a wing forward, not a midfielder.

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 16:43
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Ok you've answered my question, you think Emnes is a midfielder. I'm smiling now, I suspected you did but didn't think you'd admit to it.
That's incredible I have to say.

Now your question answered AGAIN, yes it's positive that we've strengthened in one area where we had a problem, defensive midfield.
I can't be any clearer.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 16:46
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Ah, OK I'm with you.

I just wish he'd answer the question. My position hasn't really changed in respect of Gareth. I didn't think he should have been appointed and I still don't think he has done enough. However, throughout his time I have always been able to both recognise and praise the positive aspects to his management. According to mappie that means I need to "get off the pot". My response has always been that you can recognise positives while maintaining your overall view, that not everything is black and white.

What this thread shows, beyond any doubt, is that mappie can't do the same. He is incapable of posting anything that might be opposed to the view he has of Southgate. It's strange.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 16:48
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Well done mappie. That is a step forward. You can now let the healing begin. By the way - check through your posts, you haven't answered the question until now. Not once.

It's incredible is it? Been a big follower of Mr Emnes' career have you?

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 16:50
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Do you mind if I ask you the same question mappie - what position do you consider Emnes plays?

MidoTerroristSchool Posted on 05/07/2008 16:53
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He Plays as a forward and its clear you need midfielders..

Good eye for a midfielder he defo knows his stuff

so sir red rum goes out and buys a foward.

Looks like tuncay off then.....

Going down....

TMG501 Posted on 05/07/2008 17:05
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And another F***ing troll rears its ugly head

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 17:08
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To be fair to you mappie, he isn't a midfielder in the same sense that Digard is. He is an attacking player and as Gareth confirmed he can play all across the front line. By implication that means he can play as a striker or as a midfielder.

On that basis, I guess the real answer to your question is that yes - I see him playing more of a wider attacking midfield role than I do a strikers role.

Just thought I'd post that to be reasonable. Will you do the same I wonder?

MidoTerroristSchool Posted on 05/07/2008 17:08
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Just telling the truth its clear you need Midfielders as The Boat gone to Hull as well.

Ohh can i remind ya A goalkeeper as well..

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 17:09
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Well, on the positive side at least we have club suits. Another positive is we don't need to spring any of our players from the nick.

MidoTerroristSchool Posted on 05/07/2008 17:12
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Thats funny im not even a newcastle fan..

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 17:14
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Good for you.

br14 Posted on 05/07/2008 17:41
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I think OTMs point is that Emnes isn't reknowned for his defensive prowess, unlike for example, O'Neill who is rather stronger in that department than he is going forward.

Seems we're playing 4-2-4 next season. Therefore not surprising we're in the market for high intensity tough tackling central midfielders.

Should make for some interesting scorelines.

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 05/07/2008 18:52
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I dont know why people reply to OTM he doesn't go to the Match.

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 18:52
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Hes an out and out forward, anywhere across the front line is an attacker not a midfielder.

I reckon it'll be 2 up front from Emnes, Alves Mido and Tuncay, Downing will obviously get the nod on the left and behind them hopefully we'll have Digard GON and a right sided midfielder.

LB GK and RM needed.


Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 18:54
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They you're wrong map, it's as simple as that. He isn't an out and out striker. Nowhere near. He is, effectively, a winger in the old fashioned sense. I think he has been earmarked for the right but as you know I have said throughout last season that I fancy a change to 4-3-3 and he would be competing to be one of the 3, probably on the right.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/07/2008 18:56
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He is NOT an out and out forward and can play either side of the midfield.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 18:56
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Most people realise that Jonny.

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 19:04
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Lets see what happens when the season starts, I can't see this guy playing right midfield.
Maybe your right, but it smacks of horseshoeing someone in - like Ali was.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 19:06
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Ali was what?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/07/2008 19:09
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As far as I can recall Ali only played a couple of halves on the RHS of the midfield and only started one game there.

GON will start the season on the right, with Emnes on the bench IMO.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 19:11
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I agree Jonny.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 05/07/2008 19:14
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So to summarise this ludicrous thread. We signed a centre midfielder and someone who may possibly play wide but we haven't yet addressed the goalkeeping issue or the left back problem (if indeed you think it's a problem)

So for OTM to be anywhere near positive, we would have had to have signed 4, possibly 5, players in one day.

Actually, I'm coming round to his viewpoint. If we'd had a "world class manager" we would have undoubtedly addressed every deficiency in the squad by the end of June. Southgate out!!!!

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 19:16
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Spot on Stabilo.

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 19:19
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Lets see what type of a 'midfielder' he is when the season starts.

Stabilo
Just continue with the top 8 delusion, everything will be fine.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 19:23
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"I can play on the wing, as a striker or as a second striker - but my favourite position is just being in the team! If I am in the team then I am happy"

When asked where he can play, the first position he mentions is on the wing. For me, and forgive me if this is a bit simplistic, if he can play on the wing there is a pretty good chance of him playing out there for us ergo Southgate has not only signed someone that can not only play in a position you identified as a weakness in our squad but also cover other areas.

Or is that a bit too positive?

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 19:24
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You are thinking top 8 Stabilo? Hope so.

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 19:32
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So it's Downing, Alves Mido and Emnes across the front line, with Emnes being the right midfielder?

Gotcha.

Jesus.


zzzzz Posted on 05/07/2008 19:33
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mappy which team do you support?

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 05/07/2008 19:35
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I think it's something we should be striving for. Will we achieve it? Not sure. I know little of our new signings so I'm not going to predict great things until I've seen how we are shaping up but I fully endorse the policy of recruiting young, hungry players. It's the only way a club like Boro can prosper long term in the modern game. Tuncay, Alves, Downing, Wheater, Young are all top 8 calibre in my opinion so it's really how we build on that nucleus. But I'm reasonably optimistic.

I'd feel a lot more confident if I thought Huth could stay injury free for a while. For me, his partnership with Wheater is crucial and I rate him as a better player than Pog. It's all opinion though isn't it.

If I had to predict now I'd say 10th.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 19:41
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Agree with most of that Stabilo. Top 10 is pushing it if you ask me but you never know.

As you say, fans have been asking for us to adopt the transfer policy we appear to be embracing now and yet are still getting criticised for it.

We won't know if these signings are good or not but I wouldn't bet against it.

Mappie, that is a four that would work very well. You'd have Aliadiere in instead of Mido and Tuncay would be pushing hard for inclusion as well. You're absolutely right though - it's a lovely problem to have.

Here's another little quote for you:

"Gazette man Adam Steel, who has a smattering of Dutch (is there no end to this desk's talents) spoke to the Sparta reporter on the Rotterdam paper yesterday who was gushing in his praise of a player who shines in the middle, out on the right or up front."

Are you getting the picture yet? The guy can play on either flank or up front but isn't an out and out striker. Sounds a bit like an attacking midfielder to me.

onthemap Posted on 05/07/2008 19:41
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zzzz
The same team you do, except I do it financially, via a season ticket, you watch it in the pub.

I don't support this management and won't post gushing nonesense whilst we fight relegation battles and are fed rubbish.

Fast free flowing football my arse.
Win a match and suddenly the dismal last two seasons are forgotten.

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 19:43
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Mappie, you did say that you had not been to the match for some time and have only just bought a season ticket this year. Could you tell me which block you are in out of interest?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/07/2008 19:43
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OTM, am I fookin so pleased you dont sit near me.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 05/07/2008 19:51
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(in response to Adi) Possibly, but unlike OTM / Holgate etc. I don't think finishing 10th-14th would be the end of the world.

Goals from midfield (or even a midfielder prepared to get in the box) is something we've lacked for too long. If Emnes can offer that then great. Would still like to see another Midfielder added though. And a keeper obviously.

I think Southgate's been learning his trade and has deserved time to do that. I see positives and acknowledge there's been some fairly hefty mistakes. Theres now a potential line up where two thirds of the players are Gareth's signings and so it's fair to say it's judgement time for him.

As to what is considered success and what failure, well I'm guessing that might differ between posters...

Adi_Dem Posted on 05/07/2008 20:39
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As long as there's progress Stabilo. I didn't want Gate appointed but as soon as he was I backed him and have always maintained he deserves to have 3 years to see whether he can progress. This season is a big one and I'm pleased with the signings (or rather the 'type') of signings he's made and so the signs are good.

10th - 14th wouldn't be a disaster, as long as there were signs of progress.

We are putting together a young hungry squad and I am looking forward to seeing them play.

zzzzz Posted on 05/07/2008 22:45
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Another lie otm, no two.
You dont support the boro and I dont watch them in the pub.

Most of us can see through you for what you are, just a wind-up mackem.

Adi_Dem Posted on 06/07/2008 11:45
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zzzz - the sad thing is I do actually believe he is a Boro fan. As for the lying though, completely agree.

Stockton_Boro_Dan Posted on 06/07/2008 12:10
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lee cattermole will be a very good player in a couple of years.

jet-thrust Posted on 06/07/2008 13:37
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This is an extra-ordinary thread. How anyone can say that Emnes is not a midfielder is beyond me. He can play right midfield the same way Downing plays left midfield. I'm not saying he is better or worse than Downing, just saying its the equivalent position on the other side of the pitch.

It's that simple.







LemmyKilmister Posted on 06/07/2008 13:41
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Let's be honest...no-ones seen the lad play save two clips on youtube. So nobody really is qualified to say whether he's this or that. We'll have to wait and see.

onthemap Posted on 06/07/2008 15:04
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It never ceases to amaze me the deprth of knowledge you lot have. Every player we sign is capable of propelling us into the top 8 and you know this without even seeing him once.

Every time an opinion is expressed that doesn't fall in line with the corporate guff that comes out of the club, the poster is an outright liar.

I've only seen Emnes on YouTube, just like everyone else has, playing up front and scoring and yet I'm an idiot to suggest he's an out and out attacker.

Why not just accept that until you actually see the guy play, like DGL, you've no idea whether he'll even make the first team. Shawky similarly looked good in the African Cup of Nations and when he played in the Premiership he seemed to be more than capable, yet we see George leaving and Digard signed.

Wait until they kick a ball.

SplendidStuff Posted on 06/07/2008 15:07
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Problem is mappy you are saying he is not a winger but a striker. So by your reasoning you cannot say he is not a winger, but yet you still persist to know even though you have only seen youtube clips.


Adi_Dem Posted on 06/07/2008 15:14
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"Every player we sign is capable of propelling us into the top 8 and you know this without even seeing him once."

Where has that been said? Please tell me.

"Every time an opinion is expressed that doesn't fall in line with the corporate guff that comes out of the club, the poster is an outright liar."

Where has that been said? Please tell me.

"I've only seen Emnes on YouTube, just like everyone else has, playing up front and scoring and yet I'm an idiot to suggest he's an out and out attacker."

Where has that been said? Please tell me.

By the way, quite how you can tell he was playing up front from the youtube clips is beyond me.

"Why not just accept that until you actually see the guy play, like DGL, you've no idea whether he'll even make the first team. Shawky similarly looked good in the African Cup of Nations and when he played in the Premiership he seemed to be more than capable, yet we see George leaving and Digard signed.

Wait until they kick a ball."

That's what we've been telling you all thread. You have The discussion has not centred on whether these new players will be good or not because none of us know. The only matter for discussion was whether these signings were positive steps by Gareth to deal with weaknesses that you yourself identified. For some reason you have been completely unwilling to acknowledge that.

In summary you don't have a clue where Emnes is going to play and yet have derided anyone that has suggested him as an attacking midfielder potentially for the right hand side. Why don't you heed your own advice?

SplendidStuff Posted on 06/07/2008 15:50
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I think the penny may have dropped, either that and he can't admit to being wrong or he's had a brain aneurysm.

br14 Posted on 06/07/2008 16:54
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"He can play right midfield the same way Downing plays left midfield"

Possible, but unlikely. Downings strength is his ability to play defensively when required. Emnes got 8 goals in 10 games at the end of last season. Sounds like a midfielder with an attacking mindset that can also play up front.

Sounds like Aliadiere reinvented with an eye for goal.

SplendidStuff Posted on 06/07/2008 16:58
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sounds like.

well argument rested.

br14 Posted on 06/07/2008 17:05
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My comment was in response to the equally valid speculation that Emnes could play like Downing.

Like I said, possible, but not likely given what little we already know. (No crosses shown on You Tube either).

I reckon Emnes is coming to provide right sided attacking pace when we need it, and therefore is a direct replacement for Aliadiere with a little more confidence in front of goal.

SplendidStuff Posted on 06/07/2008 17:18
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But as you know hardly anything about the player you can't comment on his crossing ability.

You have possibly looked at 2 goals on youtube and you have not seen what he has assisted.


Adi_Dem Posted on 06/07/2008 17:26
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Since when has Aliadiere been considered a wide right player? Sorry but he is one of our four strikers. Emnes has been bought to play all across the front line according to Southgate and has therefore not been bought to replace Aliadiere any more than he has been bought to replace Downing. He has been bought to add options and depth to our attack.

skiprat Posted on 06/07/2008 17:32
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How do you work out he's a striker from the clips OTM? On the first one I've seen he picks it up from just inside his own half, past a few of his players higher up the pitch and scores.

I think a few of got carried away, but then you're also being incredibly negative.

Just enjoy the fact that we have some new players to hopefully be excited about and hopefully the club are still working on the problem positions you've mentioned.

Space_Face Posted on 06/07/2008 17:34
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'Enjoy' and 'Excited' are not words/feelings he is familiar with.

jet-thrust Posted on 06/07/2008 19:35
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"My comment was in response to the equally valid speculation that Emnes could play like Downing."

I wasn't speculating that Emnes could play like Downing. I very much doubt he will, but nine goals from the right wing would be very welcome next year if he does ;)

The point I was making was a very simple one - that Emnes describes himself firstly as a right winger and is therefore a midfielder.

This is a quote from an earlier post that prompted me to reply....

"you think emnes the winger is a midfielder."

The guy who posted that above appears to be of the opinion that a winger is not classed as a midfield player. I was just putting him right and using Downing as the example. He is an attacking midfielder, but not an "Attacker".

Adi_Dem Posted on 06/07/2008 19:41
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Couldn't agree more jet.

gibosgimp Posted on 06/07/2008 20:04
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us season ticket holders have to put up this this every season.

Adi_Dem Posted on 07/07/2008 09:22
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Put up with what?

onthemap Posted on 07/07/2008 09:39
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This is going to be an interesting season.

grantus Posted on 07/07/2008 10:12
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Looks like Groundhog Day around here.

A new striker - mappy, you must be pulling teeth over that one as you think it's the only position we are covered. Alternatively, you'll be rubbing your hands with glee as it's something else for you to complain about.

Left back - Taylor, Pogatetz, Grounds, Arca, not such a shortage of options there as some would have us believe.

Centre Midfield - One in already

Centre Back - Wheater, Pogatetz, Huth, Riggott - apart from Woodgate, it's still one of the strongest centre half line ups we've had in a long time.

What I reckon we could do with are...

right winger
keeper

defensive utility (maybe)

Before the world ends again though, remember what the goal for first team appointments is for our team....

The Academy!

Remember that?

onthemap Posted on 07/07/2008 10:52
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Grantus - he's not a striker you idiot, at least that's what the rest of your raras are saying.

skiprat Posted on 07/07/2008 10:54
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I don't think any of know either way.

grantus Posted on 07/07/2008 11:00
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Now your calling me an idiot, how very boring.

Why are you always so angry, were you molested as a child?

I've never heard of the player before, but am repeating what I read in two national newspapers.

You really are an odd little character, aren't you?

grantus Posted on 07/07/2008 11:01
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"Gareth Southgate was last night celebrating the acquisition of two exciting young players from the continent for a combined outlay of just over £7.2m: Marvin Emnes from Sparta Rotterdam and Didier Digard from Paris St Germain.

The 20-year-old forward Emnes, who was Sparta's player of the season last year, joined Middlesbrough for £3.2m on a four-year deal. "We feel we have signed an exciting young player. Last year was his breakthrough season and he scored eight goals in his last 10 games. He can play anywhere across the front line so he's got the versatility to go with his pace, energy and technical skills.He fits the profile of the sort of players we want at Boro in that he's young, with hunger, energy and pace.

"Marvin is very enthusiastic about coming to England and the challenge of Premier League football. There was a lot of interest in him and I know that Ajax and Feyenoord were keen. But we got ahead of both to complete the signing of a player who I hope can excite our fans.""


That's from the Guardian. It looks like he's a defender after all, my apologies.

onthemap Posted on 07/07/2008 11:01
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Skiprat for the first time on this board I agree. It's an opinion nothing more, Grantus obviously assumed he was a striker, all of this assuming he's a right sided midfielder is simply because we haven't addressed that position.

Case rested.

skiprat Posted on 07/07/2008 11:12
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Just seems a bit strange posters arguing over where he plays when no-one's even really heard of the lad before.

As I said, just appreciate that we are getting in a few more players into a small squad and now hope that once the work is out of the way for signing these two, that the club can now try and sign players for other positions that need strengthening.

grantus Posted on 07/07/2008 11:12
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This one is from the Sun

"MIDDLESBROUGH have signed Dutch starlet Marvin Emnes from Sparta Rotterdam for £3.2million.

Gareth Southgate was delighted to make Emnes his first summer signing after the 20-year-old netted eight goals in his final 10 games last season.

The striker has signed a four-year deal after agreeing personal terms and passing a medical."


You see where it says "striker", that's why I thought he is a striker. An uncommon chain of events, I grant you, but one that had led me to that conclusion all the same.

Call me Columbo.

Adi_Dem Posted on 07/07/2008 11:32
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Case rested. ra ras. Idiot.

What brilliance from the resident know it all.

Have a read of all of the quotes above from the player, from the local rag in Rotterdam and from his new manager. He can play left, right or up front. He has been bought to compete for/cover our attacking positions. That includes the right side believe it or not.

I'm still astounded by your assertion that a winger isn't a midfielder.

Putting all of that to one side though, you're still missing the point by a country mile.

grantus Posted on 07/07/2008 11:32
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No, it's ok, you don't have to apologise, I forgive you anyway.

onthemap Posted on 07/07/2008 11:46
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grantus
As usual it whooshed over your head son.
You are arguing the same point as me, I was simply posting the reaction I'd had for naturally assuming he was a striker.

No doubt you'll now backtrack and agree with your comrades that I couldn't possibly assume he was a striker.

grantus Posted on 07/07/2008 11:50
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You can assume anything that you want, but your first post to me on the subject is attached.

Saying...

"Don't call him a striker ffs."

Now, how was I supposed to interpret that, you tell me.


Link: right here.

onthemap Posted on 07/07/2008 11:52
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You reacted exactly as I predicted you would.
Sometimes it's good to have you back.

grantus Posted on 07/07/2008 11:53
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Well, you write one thing, yet mean something else.

Your grasp of communicating hasn't improved, I see.