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blanc101 Posted on 27/06/2008 20:46
People who park in parent and child bays

You F***ing selfish W*****s

Adi_Dem Posted on 27/06/2008 20:47
People who park in parent and child bays

What if they have their kids with them?

neilg Posted on 27/06/2008 20:48
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have a chieftan tank handy - thatyl put the B******s out of action!

blanc101 Posted on 27/06/2008 20:50
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Forgot to mention that bit, yeh no problem with them it`s the tosser`s with no kids

woman_with_a_willie Posted on 27/06/2008 20:52
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Even worse are people who park in disable areas. Should run them over.

kazza Posted on 27/06/2008 20:52
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asda at portrack are fining people who park in parent and child bays if they have no kids with them SO BE WARNED

blanc101 Posted on 27/06/2008 20:53
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even worse disabled drivers parking in parent and child bays I don`t park in yours so stay out of mine.

Esekiel1517 Posted on 27/06/2008 20:53
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lol,selfish W*****s!

blanc101 Posted on 27/06/2008 20:56
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Kazza don`t warn them let the B******s get fined, then let`s see them sN***** as you struggle past with your shopping and kids to the car F***ing 10 mile away.

Bren_MFC Posted on 27/06/2008 20:59
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just stick a car seat in the back, that should cover it

woman_with_a_willie Posted on 27/06/2008 21:01
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Kids in supermarkets are annoying as F*** aswell. Ban them.

blanc101 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:01
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minus the child you nugget

Tom_Fun Posted on 27/06/2008 21:01
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"People who park in parent and child bays
You F***ing selfish W*****s"

Wow, there's nothing like worrying about the important things in life, is there?

buttermyarse Posted on 27/06/2008 21:02
People who park in parent and child bays

I am 47 and my mum is 79... There is no age limit so we use it all the time..whats the problem????

Bren_MFC Posted on 27/06/2008 21:03
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no, kids are great in supermarkets, especially when they are in charge of the trolley

MKredleaderOne Posted on 27/06/2008 21:03
People who park in parent and child bays

What age defines a child in this case?

Doesn't really matter, parents should set an example and encourage kids to walk.

And before you jump to conclusions I don't park in these bays as I wouldn't want a car damaging by either the kids or the parents. Nor do I park in disabled bays.

What happens if you take out other peoples kids as you don't have any of your own or they've grown up and they're yor grandchildren?

blanc101 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:03
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obviously no kids

blanc101 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:05
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Another post taken over by fool`s

Esekiel1517 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:05
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Not when it comes to intellect,obviously,x

Tom_Fun Posted on 27/06/2008 21:05
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"Another post taken over by fool`s"

How ironic.

number9 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:07
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What annoys me is that "these P&C Bays" are so big and you still get some dipstick that can't park in just the one. does having sprogs remove your sense of perspective in that parking straight is now impossible!

Me i'l park in them when its quiet but disabled bays are a no no.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:07
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never use a diabled bay or park outside the store in a dangerous manor, but parent & child bays should be well away from the stores giving parents the oportunity to pack and unpack well away from the dangerous areas outside the stores. most parent & child bays are sited in the area that the idiots drive up to the cash points and the store is close for the lazy parent,.

keep you child safe and under control while walking away from the store then unpack the trolley 150 m away without the risk around the store entrance.

Tom_Fun Posted on 27/06/2008 21:08
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"never use a diabled bay or park outside the store in a dangerous manor"

Like Whinneybanks?

blanc101 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:09
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I`d like to park my fist in your face number 9 you prick

number9 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:13
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any time big boy. north stand block 17 row 24 when your ready.

blanc101 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:17
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Meet you in the disabled parking bay`s outside tesco coulby cos thats where you`l be parking for the rest of your life when I`ve finnished with you number 9

buttermyarse Posted on 27/06/2008 21:17
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cyber fights are great...no-one gets hurt..pussies

MKredleaderOne Posted on 27/06/2008 21:18
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blanc101

You sound like a complete pill(s)ock.

Doubtful whether you be let behind the wheel of a car as well.

Where's the one you want? Outside Aldi in South Bank?

number9 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:20

:)

Ho ho

"outside tesco coulby" never go there, too much class to go to Coulbynewham

MKredleaderOne Posted on 27/06/2008 21:20
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Nearly right then.


Bren_MFC Posted on 27/06/2008 21:24
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just make sure you have a kid with you when you go shopping and there'll be no probs parking in the designated bays, I can't believe people are so uptight about this

fishcake Posted on 27/06/2008 21:28
People who park in parent and child bays

F*** em all park where you want I do

pedro30 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:30
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Bren_MFC I think P and C bays are a fantastic idea It's not that we want to be right outside the shop it's the size of the bay thats useful ever tried to get a child out of a 3 door car from the back seat without trying not to damage the car your parked next too it's difficult.

Esekiel1517 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:30
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Bren,what an upstanding member of the community you are.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 27/06/2008 21:31
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I doubt wheter there is an order on the car park to prevent you from parking where you feel like.

Anyone in the area next Friday night pop along to Tescos at Coulby and park in the said bays. I wonder whether blanc101 would confront you.

Tom_Fun Posted on 27/06/2008 21:32
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What's wrong with Coulby number9?

number9 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:35
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Not been back since a freinds wake 12yrs ago, can only imagine it has gone the of the "large estate" if blanc101 is in resisdence?

Correct me if i'm wrong though.

fishcake Posted on 27/06/2008 21:37
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Don`t live in coulby my friend wouldn`t lower myself to live on a housing estate

Bren_MFC Posted on 27/06/2008 21:38
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Why thank you Esekiel1517

Tom_Fun Posted on 27/06/2008 21:38
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Yeah but you'll lower yourself to using the wrong button for an apostrophe won't you?

fishcake Posted on 27/06/2008 21:40
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nice one tom hands up

Esekiel1517 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:41
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Guardian.com

number9 Posted on 27/06/2008 21:42
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?

or

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standards Posted on 28/06/2008 01:17
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been here and wore the tshirt, one day about 8 months ago I was behind a car turning into B + Q Portrack, it was hammering down with rain and I was behind a car that I saw pull straight ahead into the family bays. The car ahead had two people in it, a man and a woman,

in this situation we all know the truth, they do not want to get wet and at B+Q Portrack the quickest way to the main doors is from those family parking slots, the next bays are disabled, so they would take a fraction of a second longer to reach

to cut a boring short story short I flipped my lid

so, like i say i went off my rocker and i pulled up at the entrance to B+Q and asked the man why he thought it acceptable, and i was sharp but not aggressive, and he told me to go away and shut up, so I followed him and accused him of being the greatest failure of life that the world has ever seen and that he was the type of person who would hit the lifeboats first on a sinking ship and knock kids out of the way, because why else would he make any kids arrivig right then to walk across the carpark in heavy rain.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 28/06/2008 01:45
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Kids spaces are just a supermarket PR exercise. Completely pointless.

standards Posted on 28/06/2008 01:50
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At bq Stockton there are only 4 spaces for families, its not hard to park elsewhere, and anyone who argues against that is a T***

Heine Posted on 28/06/2008 01:55
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i work with adults with learning dificulties
and have no problem in parking in them when i'm working
after all how to you define a child? in years or in terms of road sense etc?

standards Posted on 28/06/2008 01:55
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selfish transfat loving parmo lovers with no kids park in these bays. ow there's a generalisation.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 28/06/2008 01:56
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I've never found a place close to the entrance in all the times I've been there. I understand your situation, but personally I don't begrudge walking a bit further.

standards Posted on 28/06/2008 01:57
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work is work Heine, and you have ways of acting, but families are different

Towell Posted on 28/06/2008 01:57
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What on Earth did people do with themselves before these parent and child bays were 'invented'?

I think they must've just stayed at home and got all riled up about something else.

standards Posted on 28/06/2008 02:01
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they went into town centres silly, you know, Leslie Browns, Romer Parishes, Binns, Ayresome, that sort of thing

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 28/06/2008 02:04
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standards - my last post.. i wasn't replying directly to your post above it by the way. It comes across as being a bit flippant, but was just odd timing.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 28/06/2008 02:06
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Damn, Romer Parishes is a thread in itself! I'd even venture into the raised area with Airfix models!

standards Posted on 28/06/2008 02:07
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no worries Dan, however if you had used words similar to Towell "what on earth" etc etc, then all would be lost mate.

Towell Posted on 28/06/2008 02:12
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Eh?

Bukowski Posted on 28/06/2008 02:12
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There were always people without kids parking in the parent & child bays at Morrisons at Teesside Park when I lived back in Stockton. The thing is they do it regularly out of habit and have absolutely no guilt about doing it. And you know why? Because they're ignorant self-centered tarts.

JLinardi Posted on 28/06/2008 02:12
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I often used to park in them when I was 17,18,19 I dont so much now as the walk doesnt really bother me and I cant be doing with the sly glances I get off diaproving holier than thou types. I still park in them now and then if its raining everynow and then and I drive off with a clear consicience. I never park in disabled bays though.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 28/06/2008 02:12
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I just get a bit peed off by companies dictating good causes. It costs them fukc all to paint a mother and child symbol in a parking space, but today Tesco showed no sympathy for animal welfare in battery farms.


Link: sharegolders

Towell Posted on 28/06/2008 02:13
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If someone parked over two of them would you actually attempt to murder them or something?

Duncan_Blackheart Posted on 28/06/2008 09:30
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I have no qualms about parking in breeder and offspring spaces. Like dan says, they're just a PR gimmick bought hook, line and sinker by people who like to feel their often fat children are somehow special. The same sort of walking dead who use baby on board signs.
If there is a need for them, put them somewhere less dangerous rather than out front where all the traffic is.

Bukowski Posted on 28/06/2008 18:49
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And here's one of those ignorant self-centered tarts I was on about. ^

If you can't see the practical reasons for having them, then you really are a dimwit. And obviously a mean-spirited childless one.

They're usually situated as close to the supermarket as possible so any walk doesn't involved dodging traffic for a start. They exist for safety reasons first and foremost. And they're usually a little larger to make the task of putting babies and toddlers in and out of cars a little easier.

At the end of the day, the largest consumers at supermarkets and shopping centres are families so it makes sense to cater for them.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 29/06/2008 14:30
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It would be safer not to take them.

You wouldn't have to worry where you park and other shoppers wouldn't be forever getting run into by kids not being looked after properly by their parent(s).

tom_mate Posted on 29/06/2008 14:37
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I am guilty of this, I park in them everytime. What difference does it make if there's about 20 empty P&C spaces and I use one of them? The only difference it makes as far as I can see is that I don't have to walk as far to the door!

prepman Posted on 29/06/2008 14:59
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How the hell can asda fine anybody?go and get F***ed.

Boro_inleeds Posted on 29/06/2008 15:14
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Paint something on the road telling people they can't do something just encourages us to want to do it. Disabled spaces generally being the exception.

The reality is that they should make all spaces bigger and remove the need for P&C spaces. The Tesco's near me has stupidly small spaces and unles you drive a Matiz or something similar in size getting out of them is an effort as well because the next row of spaces are too close behind you. Usless car park.

Can't remember which company it was but they had signs above the disabled spaces saying "you will take my space but will you take my disability" (or something similar), anyway it worked pretty well and reduced the amount of space stealing.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 15:16
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You're missing the point. P&C spaces are as much to do with their location as they are size. They are a godsend to many mothers who find a shopping trip difficult enough. Parking in them just makes you a selfish prick.

BillBones Posted on 29/06/2008 15:43
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Why don't they put the disabled and P&C spaces right at the far end of the car park? That would stop other people parking in them...

bobstermarley Posted on 29/06/2008 15:52
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"They are a godsend to many mothers who find a shopping trip difficult enough."

Simple answer.

Don't breed.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 29/06/2008 16:40
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People who abuse the disabled parking spaces should have their cars crushed and placed back on their driveways as a reminder, no arguments.

In general it never ceases to amaze me how so many people in this country are completely incapable - or just too fecking lazy, probably - of parking their cars equally between two parallel lines.

Boro_inleeds Posted on 29/06/2008 17:16
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I didn't say I parked in them Adi.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 17:18
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I didn't mean you, I meant that person that parks in them!!! If you see what I mean!

Bobster - are you being serious?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 18:29
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I'd never park in a disabled spot, but I have no problem parking in a parent and child bay.

Couldn't give a toss personally. If they want them, put them at the back of the car park - why should they be near the entrance?

icarus1965 Posted on 29/06/2008 18:30
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Why should people with children get better parking than everyone else..????

pat_the_cat Posted on 29/06/2008 18:34
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Good god there's some a_rseholes about.
I take it those who complain have not got children.
Judging from their reaction they are probably too f_ucking selfish to share anything with anyone.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 18:34
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Erm because it is more difficult to navigate through the traffic, it is more difficult to take trolleys and such across a crowded car park.

it really is pathetic that people are unwilling to give up a handful of spots near the entrance of a supermarket to parents with their children. Really, what hardship does it cause to allow children to be a little bit safer and make it a little bit easier for their parents to get in and out of a supermarket?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 18:37
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Why don't we give up spaces to fat people, or lazy people, or people who are in a hurry. I'm sure they could all justify having them.

Call me selfish if you like, I just don't think that your need as a parent is any more important than a dozen others I can come up with.

If your kids can't behave themselves crossing a car park, leave them at home.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 18:38
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If you think that keeping children safe is no more important than satisfying people in a hurry, or fat people, or lazy people then you're an idiot. It's that simple.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 18:39
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The safety of your child is not more important to me than the safety of anybody else, child or adult.

Blain87 Posted on 29/06/2008 18:41
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If kids have no experience of crossing a car park with their parents how are they going to knwo how to do it safely when they need to on their own?

I am doing them a favour, educating them when I park in the parent and child spaces.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 18:43
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What's that got to do with anything?

axel1974 Posted on 29/06/2008 18:44
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When i had my lotus elise i used to park at the far side of the car park as they extremely difficult to get into. I used to get inconsiderate idiots parking right alongside me preventing me from getting inside. After it happened a few times i then started using the p and c spaces as they were the only ones that i could guarantee would let me get inside my own car.
They should re name them restrictive access spaces

icarus1965 Posted on 29/06/2008 18:44
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why don,t they invent drive around shops so you don,t get to get out your car...

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 18:45
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Because you're saying the need for a parent and child space is safety. A well behaved child - one that doesn't run off - should be no less safe than anybody else crossing a car park.

You're saying you and your children need a P&C space more than other people, and that safety is a factor.

I'm saying that the safety of you and your children does not take priority for me compared to the safety of anyone else.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 18:46
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Then you miss the point completely.

Besides which, safety is only one aspect.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 18:48
People who park in parent and child bays

Yes and the other is convenience.

And, again, your convenience is not more important to me than the convenience of others.

That's why I don't have any problem whatsoever parking in P&C spaces.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 18:49
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As I said above, you are being a selfish and bloody minded prat then and you miss the point by a distance.

Besides which, your view of them is largely irrelevant. Those spaces are designated for parents with children and that is that.

Safety and convenience? Isn't that why we have disabled spaces too?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 18:52
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I am not being selfish, I just don't share your priorities. If there is a 'point' I have missed you're not explaining it very well.

The old and disabled: they need to park at the front because their mobility is impaired.

You just want to park at the front because it makes your life easier. How selfish.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 18:55
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You are being selfish, ignorant, stubborn and obtuse. I'm going to stop this now though. We disagree strongly. That'll have to do, OK?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 18:56
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I'm giving you reasons why I think P&C bays are nonsense.

You're responding with abuse, insults and references to an elusive point you're reluctant to share.

So yes, I agree. Stop replying.

Tony_Drago Posted on 29/06/2008 19:02
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Standards I think stalking somebody around the show and being abusive makes you worse than the clown who parked there in the first place.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 19:04
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I think the dementia must run in his family.

pedro30 Posted on 29/06/2008 19:08
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I think P and C bays are a fantastic idea It's not that we want to be right outside the shop it's the size of the bay thats useful for us ever tried to get a child out of a 3 door car from the back seat without trying not to damage the car your parked next too it's difficult.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 19:10
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That's fine. Have a hundred of them at the back of the car park.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 19:10
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You're absolutely right. I apologise for the insults. I do want to make clear an important distinction though - I was not insulting you but rather your behaviour in these particular circumstance.

However, my point is not illusive and neither am I unwilling to share it.

Threads like this have appeared on here any number of times. Both before and after I had children my view remained the same. Mothers (by and large rather than fathers) do have a lot of difficulty negotiating busy car parks with children. So yes, it is partly convenience but in my view a justified convenience.

It's the safety that is key though. I accept that you don't care any more about the safety of my child over the safety of my friend's grandmother. However, this is about safety for everyone. It is safer for the children, it is safer for the parents and it is safer for the motorist. I now know just how difficult it is to get two toddlers out of a car safely. Anything that assists with that not only protects those children but the traffic too.

We disagree. We're not ever going to agree. I've apologised for the insults. OK?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 19:15
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Apology accepted.

I don't see why a mother (or father) with well behaved children should have a problem negotiating a car park. They aren't Brands Hatch. If somebody is driving dangerously in one, I am at as great a risk of injury as they are.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 19:18
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Believe me, I consider my children to be well behaved but it is very easy for one of them to step out when I'm getting the other out of the car.

There is far less chance of them doing that if they are stood in a wider space next to the path at the front of the shop than in a confined space surrounded by other cars.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 19:20
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If you're unable to be certain where they will step, I'm not sure how you can be so confident they'd go the right way and not into the path of oncoming traffic.

The front of a supermarket is the busiest place, sounds like they'd be safer at the back.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 19:21
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Do you have children?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 19:24
People who park in parent and child bays

No, I do not have children. Although I have taken young relatives to supermarkets.

And this is always the last recourse of a parent when an argument involves them. Just because I don't have children it doesn't mean I am excluded from having a point of view.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 19:27
People who park in parent and child bays

You've taken that the wrong way. It is not a last recourse and I don't think you're excluded from having a point of view, I was just interested to know where your viewpoint was coming from.

I am telling you that I feel that my children are a lot safer in those spots than elsewhere in the car park. You may disagree but then we do disagree.

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 19:32
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>"The front of a supermarket is the busiest place, sounds like they'd be safer at the back"

Stangely enough the entrance to most supermarkets is at the front. This means you have to navigate the entire car park to get to the entrance.

At my local supermarket the parent and child spaces arent the ones closest to the store but they are along a sheltered spur with a walkway straight to the store. Thats fine by me - its not the distance from the door that is crucial it is how much traffic you have to navigate.


MKredleaderOne Posted on 29/06/2008 19:34
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I would guess that these parents who want the bays near the entrance to supermarkets could be the same ones that take their kids to pubs and let them run around.

Everyone else's responsiblility for their welfare and safety but their own.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 19:35
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Precisely Ian. If the argument is to move the spaces wherever they are safest in the car park then fine. The convenience of it is secondary.

MK - sorry but that's just rubbish. Don't tar all parents with the same brush. My kids are not allowed down from the table when we're out. I am very aware of not affecting others' enjoyment. I am responsible for them. I do, however, think that the P&C spaces are valid.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 19:39
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Then we're all in agreement. P&C spaces are fine, just have them at the back and walk with your kids around the perimiter of the car park instead of marching in a straight line.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 29/06/2008 19:44
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Adi_Dem

Read what I wrote.

"could"

But why do you need to make kids endure the trip to the supermarket? Only one can fit in the trolley so, if you have more than one how do you fill the trolley without the other(s) getting in the way of other shoppers and/or wandering off?

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 19:47
People who park in parent and child bays

There is no footpath around the perimeter of most car parks.

Tell you what - I'll go with what the supermarket who owns the car park says. If they want to put the P&C slots at the front then great, if they put them at the back I'll park there. Or I'll park in a normal slot - just hope I dont dent your car door while I'm trying to get the kids out of the car in a narrow space!

NB for MKRedLeaderOne -

"But why do you need to make kids endure the trip to the supermarket?"

You recommend leaving toddlers at home on their own while going out shopping? Amazing.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 19:57
People who park in parent and child bays

"There is no footpath around the perimeter of most car parks"

There weren't any P&C spaces until recently either.

"just hope I dont dent your car door while I'm trying to get the kids out of the car in a narrow space!"

You denting my car door is not inevitable or unavoidable. If you physically cannot open a door without hitting another car, get somebody else to do it for you or park away from other cars.

What do you do when you park somewhere that isn't a P&C space? "Oh well, not my fault."

This is selfish.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 29/06/2008 20:03
People who park in parent and child bays

At the end of the day it's just supermarkets trying to get more money out of everyone for least investment.

They could make the bays bigger, but that would mean a smaller store on the land as they have to provide so many bays depeding on the floor area of the store.

Just like they could provide walkways. It's not in their interests to do so.

ian, did I say leave them at home? No.

What do these parents do when they shop elsewhere, go to the cinema, football etc?

What about those who either can't afford a car or choose to use public transport?

No doubt there will be a petition started shortly for some at The Riverside.

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 20:08
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You're right the P&C spaces are a welcome addition. Bear in mind that the laws surrounding children in cars have changed drastically in the last 10 years meaning more and more people have car seats to contend with. When I was a nipper in the 70s I was either just sat on a parent's knee or sat in the back with a regular seatbelt.

You're right that denting other cars is not inevitable or unavoidable but my point is that in order to get a baby or toddler into or out of a child seat you need to be able to open your door pretty much to its fullest extent. Most normal car parking slots simply don't allow you to do this if there's a car parked in the next space.

So.. if someone with a kid in a seat parks next to you there is a much higher chance you are going to get an accidental ding in your door.

the_throcking_man Posted on 29/06/2008 20:10
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Only idiots decide to take their kids to the supermarket.

Far easier to stay at home and get it done on line

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 20:11
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If you can't access your vehicle without damaging other people's property, get another car that you can manage or park away from other cars.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 29/06/2008 20:14
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the_throcking_man

I like your first line.

I should add I walk to the supermarket.

pedro30 Posted on 29/06/2008 20:14
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They do in a P & C space .

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 20:16
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And I will too.

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 20:19
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or... park in a specially widened space?

flaps - in any car you'd struggle to open the door fully without crossing over the line into the next bay. You've clearly never experienced taking a small child to a supermarket so there's little point in discussing it with you.

Suffice to say I thought the spaces were pointless myself until I had a kid and had to struggle with the practical difficulties myself.


flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 20:20
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"You've clearly never experienced taking a small child to a supermarket "

I have.

You can get cars with doors that slide open rather than swing out. Or you could park away from other vehicles.

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 20:22
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>Or you could park away from other vehicles.

Like in a P&C slot?



Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 20:49
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Some very strange arguments as to why there shouldn't be car parking spaces and from what I can tell there has not been one post that says anything other than "I don't get a special car parking space and so neither should you".

It is fact that children go to the supermarket because, surprisingly, they can't be left at home on their own.

It is fact that it is difficult to get children in and out of a car in a smaller space without hitting the car next to you.

It is fact that it is difficult to safely stand children in the 'normal' spaces when you have more than one child.

It is fact that it is safer for everyone not to have parents negotiating a car park with children.

It is fact that if you're going to provide such spaces it is more convenient and easier to have them near the doors.

So why the problem? Why do those attacking them have such a difficulty with them and why do certain of you just disregard them?

the_throcking_man Posted on 29/06/2008 20:55
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And that list proves my point that it is far easier to order your food online.

Or if not, 1 parent stays at home with the kids and the other parent goes food shopping. you are asking for trouble going on a big supermarket shop with kids in tow.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 20:56
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What about one parent families with no internet access?

I do actually order mine online now, even though I haven't got everything I ordered once yet.

axel1974 Posted on 29/06/2008 20:58
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We have started ordering our shopping off the internet... Its quicker, cheaper, more convenient and less stressful

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 20:58
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Shopping online is fine for some things but I would never order things like fruit or fresh meat online where you would naturally pick and choose between individual packs for quality and the best "best before date".

I hate going shopping with my toddler - believe me I don't do it for fun and if it could be avoided 100% of the time I would.

I get the feeling, reading between the lines, that flaps is a bit overly protective of his/her car and feels that parking in a nice wide space protects it from accidental damage.

On a possibly unrelated note I hate people who are so precious about their cars that they feel they need to deliberately park down the middle of two spaces so that nobody parks close to them. I would park right up against their door just to P*** them off except I don't want people denting my car either. I may buy an old banger just for that purpose.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:03
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Sorry Ian. Wrong again. My car is rubbish.


Presumptuous chap aren't you.


My problem with P&C spaces is that they are unnecessary and I don't see why somebody who chooses to take a child shopping should have priority. I'd feel the same if they were women only parking spaces.

the_throcking_man Posted on 29/06/2008 21:05
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Come on, these days most families that shop at the major supermarkets have internet at home. It is 2008 now. Adi_Dem, so who looks after the kids while the single parent is at work?Do they have to take the kids to work too?Also family trip outs to the supermarket clogs up the aisles for other shoppers. It's the 4X4s that take up all the car park space. Buy a normal size car and you will be fine.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 21:06
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You're not in the real world, are you?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:07
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"It is fact that it is safer for everyone not to have parents negotiating a car park with children."

Which presumably means that people without children are being put in harms way.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:07
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"You're not in the real world, are you?"

You don't think 4x4s are bigger or you don't think most people with cars also have internet access?

ridsdale Posted on 29/06/2008 21:13
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No wonder kids are so fat these days. We used to go shopping for our mam's and carry the stuff home.

Parent and child parking is a new and unnecessary thing.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 21:13
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Erm, no flaps. That's why I said 'safer for everyone'.

Maybe those with children should just be banned so that all those without can enjoy their supermarket trips, which are clearly so important to them, that little bit more. Better yet just stop anyone from "breeding".

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 21:13
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I feel that cycle lanes and those bits where cyclists can jump the queue and sit in the shaded area at the head of the queue for traffic lights are unnecessary.

It doesn't mean that I drive over them.

The fact is that most people realise that there is an important safety factor in providing these spaces, and pretty much all supermarkets choose to provide them in their own private (not public) land. Therefore even before I had kids I respected that this was how the supermarkets wanted to lay out their car parks and I would use one of the other 500 or so parking spaces.

I'm not so petulant and self-important that I choose to ignore their rules and park how I feel. I guess its all part of behaving like an adult.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:14
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How is it safer for me that I have to walk further across a supermarket?

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 21:16
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Perhaps... you are old enough to understand the green cross code and basic road safety. My 2 year old isn't.

Tell you what flaps - I reckon you ought to make a stand and boycott all supermarkets offering C&P places.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:16
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"The fact is that most people realise that there is an important safety factor in providing these spaces"

Do you have any evidence to back this up? The fact that Asda feel compelled to issue fines suggests otherwise.

Adherence to rules without quetion is not in itself a mature act. There was once a rule in America about where black people should sit on a bus - was Rosie Parks childish when she broke that rule?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:18
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"Perhaps... you are old enough to understand the green cross code. My 2 year old isn't."

Then presumably you keep a tight hold of him/her. As you should do in a car park. I hope you don't think that because you're closer to the entrace there are no dangers from other vehicles.

the_throcking_man Posted on 29/06/2008 21:18
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Me in the real world? of course i am, it is 2008 now and most families who live near a big supermarket will have internet access at home. If not they will know someone or can use one at work. The ones who can't afford internet access and/or a pc will be shopping at aldi or lidle. or can't afford a car.

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 21:19
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Excellent flaps- so you are a civil rights campaigner?

I love likening the struggle for civil liberties for blacks with the evil nazis making you walk an extra 10 yards to get to the shops.

Look forward to reading about your campaign for the betterment of your fellow men in the press.

NB - you'll see above that at my local supermarket the advantage of P&C places is that there is a direct walkway from them to the store which means you don't have to cross in front of any traffic and not that its close to the entrance, which it isn't.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 21:21
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On the money that Ian. As I said above, we clearly disagree on the merits of them flaps. I can assure you that you're not going to persuade me and I am sure that is reciprocated. The real point is that you think you have the right to just ignore them and park where you like.

For the record and in answer to your question, children that cause accidents aren't necessarily the only ones that get injured.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:23
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Interesting the attitude of 'pro p&c' people in this thread. Some are abusive, others patronising. Maybe that goes a long way to explaining why people who don't get these special favours feel aggrieved?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:24
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"NB - you'll see above that at my local supermarket the advantage of P&C places is that there is a direct walkway from them to the store which means you don't have to cross in front of any traffic and not that its close to the entrance, which it isn't."

Then it looks like you and whoever planned your local supermarket car park agree with me.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 21:25
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So you admit you're just upset that you don't get your own special space then?

ridsdale Posted on 29/06/2008 21:25
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I would be more worried about what some of these parents are capable of than the chance of an accident in a car park.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:26
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I don't want a special space. I hope I'm never entitled to a disabled badge.


ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 21:26
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So it does just come down to jealousy then flaps? Why didn't you just say "if i cant park close to the shop then why should anyone else" rather than dressing it up as a civil rights campaign?

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 21:27
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I was addressing your point about adherence to rules. Let's not be silly and obtuse, Ian.

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 21:40
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So what is your point flaps?

What rules should and shouldn't be followed? Who appointed you to decide?

Seriously... if and when you have kids you'll appreciate the point of P&C spaces. If you don't ever have kids you probably won't.

Not being patronising but like I say - I always thought they were pointless - in fact the first time I saw the point was when a friend of mine brough her kid up to see us and we went to the local Tescos and all the dedicated P&C spaces were taken and the struggle getting her son out of his seat in a narrow space. Now I've got a child of my own I appreciate them even more.

Like a lot of things you only realise them when they apply to you. For example the comment above about what happens when you go to the cinema - made me laugh! Can't see me going to the cinema for another 5 or so years.






br14 Posted on 29/06/2008 22:20
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I had kids. Funny thing is I never felt disadvantaged because there were no parent and child bays.

Never heard of anything so silly. Disabled spaces - absolutely essential. Parent and child bays are just nuts.

What are the rules? If I park with my 73 year old cancer ridden mother (who can walk 50 yards without collapsing so cannot have a disabled badge) does that count?

As for the situation where someone disabled parks in a "parent and child" bay - get a life. Not a lot of comparison between someone thats lost a leg and a fully able parent with a two year old for example.

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 22:20
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I'm sure do you do see the point of P&C spaces. I'd see the point too if supermarkets decided to give me special favours.

"What rules should and shouldn't be followed? Who appointed you to decide?"

Anybody can choose what rules to follow or not. It's up to the individual concerned if they think the risk of penalty outways the benefit of non-adherence.

The_Dude Posted on 29/06/2008 22:23
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wow, 149 posts to something so F***ing boring and tedious as family car parking spaces

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 22:23
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OK flaps... I look forward to your classic "I have a dream speech".

Vive la revolution!

While we're on - last month we went on a plane and guess what - Because I had a toddler with me I got to board the plane first. I bet that boils your blood too!

flaps Posted on 29/06/2008 22:26
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I'll save you a seat at the front Ian, because you have a child and are special.

I'm glad you got seated early - makes it easier for everyone else to get on the plane. I'll be doing the same with an elderly relative in august. That's a sensible thing to do. P&C spaces are just a marketing convenience. See the difference?

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 22:26
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Cheers mate.

Adi_Dem Posted on 29/06/2008 22:28
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As I say, you're just upset at what you see as special favours. I can tell you from tragic personal experience how important they are. I am not willing to elaborate but there you have it.

br14 - are they as important as disabled spaces? Absolutely not. Are they worth providing still? Absolutely, even if it upsets the envious in society.

I am still yet to read why someone there is SUCH a problem with them. I could easily turn it around flaps and argue that you are only against them because they don't benefit you. The fact is I have held this view since before I had any kids of my own.

Anyway, that's my last post on this as it has become utterly pointless.

br14 Posted on 29/06/2008 22:32
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Should you be flying at all with a young child? Some evidence that suggests a relationship between SIDS and flying.

Can never understand why getting on the plane first is important. All that happens is you get to be stuck in your seat for 30-60 minutes while the rest of the passengers board.

Have to say some of my worst experiences flying were when I have sat near people with young kids. Can't imagine how terrible it must have been for the parents. Kids crying all the time and the faint smell of S***.

blanc101 Posted on 29/06/2008 22:37
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The dude wow 150 posts bet you can`t beat it you prick

ian_elliot Posted on 29/06/2008 22:37
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Nice chomp br14.

The_Dude Posted on 29/06/2008 22:42
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yeh, if only i could get that many posts , id die a happy man, what an over achiever you are mate

blanc101 Posted on 29/06/2008 22:44
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why did you look at the post if it was so S***e then?

br14 Posted on 29/06/2008 22:46
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Adi Dem - I don't have a problem with them. I'd rather park further away. I need the exercise.

Not so sure about my parents however. They're elderly and do not have special parking spaces - even though they're far less mobile than your average parent with child.

Still, like most people of their age, they get on with life, without the advantages of todays soft as S*** generation. Heaven knows what will happen when the lily livered, perfumed softies of today get old and are treated like dirt by their kids.

br14 Posted on 29/06/2008 22:48
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Sorry about the bite. So you're a decent parent after all then. For a minute there I thought you were serious about taking a young child on the plane.

I suppose I'm a bit sensitive since a friend of mine lost their baby shortly after taking a flight with the child.

the_throcking_man Posted on 29/06/2008 22:53
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Looking at the size of some parents and kids off to the supermarket for their family size bags of crisps and fizzy drinks they could do with the exercise of walking across the car park. God knows how they used to manage with shopping back in the 70s/80s/90s.

In the end the parking bays for kids and parents is a load of bollox and was intorduced by 1 supermarket as a gimmick to attract more families and so the rest followed to avoid any risk of losing customers to a rival.

Its not needed really,it is just a marketing ploy. whereas disabled parking bays are genuinely needed. Why not just set up parking zones dependant on how much you shopping weighs.

MarlonD Posted on 30/06/2008 07:55
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"asda at portrack are fining people who park in parent and child bays if they have no kids with them SO BE WARNED"

Impossible to do legally, especially as I shop there and have never seen any signage warning people.

I agree with a poster early in the thread. Why not have these spaces further away from busy areas, safer for everyone then. Or is too much to ask people to walk 50-100 yds with their kids.


mickbrown Posted on 30/06/2008 09:20
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My supermarket has the disabled parking bays as far from the entrance as you can possibly have them. I think the manager has a warped sense of humour.

skiprat Posted on 30/06/2008 09:33
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I find it quite funny that people are going ape over claims that these P & C bays are somehow safer than other normal spots.

some of the main ones I can think of around here, Morrisons at Teesside Park for example are exactly the same distance away from the main road, front and back of the car as any other car in the car park. All they are is wider. Makes no difference safety wise.

I'm 6 foot and 15 stone, if I can get out of a normal space then I don't see why parents can't get small children out of a car without having to make it into a destruction derby on other cars.

Perhaps if they drove normal sized cars instead of these people carrier monstrosities then you'd have more space.

The_same_as_before Posted on 30/06/2008 09:37
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One of the great petty threads of our time:

Disabled bays, quite rightly no-one apart from the disabled to use.

Child bays; fook off, no wonder kids are fat when they cannot walk 50 yards to mummy's 4 x 4, as they seem to be the only cars that use them. As for risk of the little tots getting knocked over, tell mummy to hold their hand.

The child bay 4 x 4 are the same toossers that cannot walk the extra 20 yerds to school so park on the school zebra crossing.

Redcar_Sean Posted on 30/06/2008 09:44
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"If you can't access your vehicle without damaging other people's property, get another car that you can manage or park away from other cars"

Isn't that the idea of mother and baby/toddler bays?

Jimmy_boy Posted on 30/06/2008 10:15
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How did anyone with kids manage to do their shopping before these bays, I'll never know.

My parents had it tough. I mean, imagine having to actually walk a couple of yards to your car AND push a trolley as well!!!

Its all a loads of Rollocks. More positive discrimination and PC cack.

I'm a single white male with no kids or disability and I feel like a foreigner in my own country. :)



Truely shocking.

Jimmy_boy Posted on 30/06/2008 10:18
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The same as before...

Exactly. Spot on. Teach the screaming tvvats how to walk safely in a car park.

Alternatively, lock em in the car... but remember to leave the window open a crack...hehhe

Marlon - Imagine the outcry if a supermarket put the PC bays away from the front door. There'd be a massive outcry!

skiprat Posted on 30/06/2008 10:50
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after seeing how riled lazy parents are getting in this thread I'm going to make a more concious effort to park in them.

petit-pois Posted on 30/06/2008 20:28
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tesco will start giving out fines from next month I read somewhere.

kazza Posted on 30/06/2008 22:01
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marlon here you go


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standards Posted on 01/07/2008 08:12
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If a mother is taking young children out of a carseat then she will need extra room and her mind may be on 5 or 6 things at once, and if its hammering down with rain its even more important to get things done quicker


what people did when there were less cars on the road is irrelevant, and so is teaching them to walk through a carpark, because the bays are for families with younger children of carseat age.






standards Posted on 01/07/2008 08:23
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I dont see what the arguement against is, stay out of them and allow people with young kids to use them, at B+Q for instance, is it fair for an adult non breeder to park in them, with their mind distracted by the latest pot plant they will be purchasing and caring for?

mailinator Posted on 01/07/2008 08:30
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"I'm 6 foot and 15 stone, if I can get out of a normal space then I don't see why parents can't get small children out of a car without having to make it into a destruction derby on other cars."

Try it! It might be clearer?