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Rodney_Trotter Posted on 03/06/2008 12:17
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North Yorkshire or Teesside.

John Gaunt just read a text out "Yorkshire used to play cricket at ACKJAM park in Middlesbrough"

bubbles Posted on 03/06/2008 12:18
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Are most of them calling it Middlesborough?

Davey_C Posted on 03/06/2008 12:34
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Same discussion on BBC Radio Humberside's Sports Talk last night. One of the presenters commented on Hull City being Yorkshire' No.1 and Gwillim Lloyd (co-presenter) said "What about Middlesbrough? Isn't that part of Yorkshire, the people of Middlesbrough might beg to differ'.

I sent in a text pointing out about the Cricket and Acklam Park and asked the question when did Yorkshire last play CCC in Hull?

Mr_Middlesbrough Posted on 03/06/2008 12:36
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Sorry for being ignorant but which county is Middlesbrough in?
My excuse for not knowing is that I moved away 16 years ago.

smogchris87 Posted on 03/06/2008 12:39
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It isnt actually in a county Mr Middlesbrough, as cleveland doesnt exsist anymore.

Mr_Middlesbrough Posted on 03/06/2008 12:42
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So what's it in?

Davey_C Posted on 03/06/2008 12:42
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Covered the other day on here when I was asked the question at an interview by a Hull City fan. The board appears to be split between the younger (Teessiders) & older (Yorkshire) crowd.

Britannica reads:

'town and unitary authority, geographic county of North Yorkshire, historic county of Yorkshire, England, on the south bank of the River Tees at the head of its estuary, 7 miles (11 km) from the North Sea. Middlesbrough is the largest town in the Teesside metropolitan area.'

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9052551/Middlesbrough


Link: To Be Or Not To Be In Yorkshire .....

smogchris87 Posted on 03/06/2008 12:45
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From Wiki

Historically part of the North Riding of Yorkshire, in 1968 the town became the centre of the county borough of Teesside, which was absorbed by the non-metropolitan county of Cleveland in 1974. In 1996 Cleveland was abolished, and the Middlesbrough borough became a unitary authority, within the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire.

Middlesbrough is different from the other districts on Teesside, as the borough is almost entirely urbanised, thus making it the largest town in terms of area and population, but the smallest district. However, the areas of Eston, Grangetown, Normanby, Ormesby, and South Bank in the neighbouring borough of Redcar and Cleveland, are also part of the Middlesbrough agglomer

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 03/06/2008 12:45
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I'm suprised that this hasnt been covered before on here.

smogchris87 Posted on 03/06/2008 12:47
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Do I detect a slight hint of sarcasm there Jumpers?

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 03/06/2008 12:53
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Mm, you could say that.

yarmlad Posted on 03/06/2008 12:55
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Makes you wonder what happened to PRT (Peoples Republic of Teesside)..............

PokerStar Posted on 03/06/2008 13:16
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No one will ever know, i`m a postie and you want to see the amount of letters i see with North Yorkshire or Cleveland or Teesside and even County Durham on them, personnally it could be worse we could be called Scottish!! Just like the Geordies

yanski Posted on 03/06/2008 13:34
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Steve Gibson constantly refers to us being in Yorkshire on the DVD that was sent out with Season Ticket renewals.

In that case I'm happy to go along with him - its his club and if he says it's Yorkshire then thats fine by me!!

bernieisgod Posted on 03/06/2008 13:37
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My pet subject - it comes down to identity doesn't it? I was born in Redcar, tell people I'm from the Boro and call myself a Teessider. North Yorkshire is nowt to do with me. Teesside is important because it unites both sides of the river - that's the key for me!

Critical_Bill Posted on 03/06/2008 13:38
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Hull is no longer classed as a part of Yorkshire.

neilg Posted on 03/06/2008 13:44
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its in the unitary authority of "humberside".

King_Ricard Posted on 03/06/2008 13:46
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the thing is, people come out with the 'historically it was part of yorkshire' speil a lot. It used to be cleveland, it used to be yorkshire...

Well if thats your argument, historically the land we live on was part of the kingdom of northumbria so we might as well get a black and white shirt now.

Sod Yurkshuire we are middlesbrough/stockton/teesside we are our own people.

downinman Posted on 03/06/2008 14:02
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'Steve Gibson constantly refers to us being in Yorkshire on the DVD that was sent out with Season Ticket renewals.'

and the training ground is in Durham.

guisBOROugh Posted on 03/06/2008 14:10
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Teesside Metropolis has a nice ring to it.

Also, that Gibson interview on the DVD made me cringe a little.

Liked the Pogatetz bit though, I almost wept a little.

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 14:17
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Like I've said before. If you don't think Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire, then you can't think Manchester is in Lancashire.

bernieisgod Posted on 03/06/2008 14:32
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What a load of crap!!! - the point is we are Teessiders, or do you think we should not have a single identity - irrespective of which side of the river u r from???

King_Ricard Posted on 03/06/2008 14:46
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so Middlesbrough used to be in Yorkshire, Then it was in Teesside, Then Cleveland, Then it became its own Borough again. So according to some it still is what it once was. So saying it is in teesside or cleveland is equally acurate as saying it is in Yorkshire.

"but historicaly it was part of yorkshire"

Fair enough, as I have stated previously, 'historically' the land we are on was part of Northumbria. So I can claim that Middlesbrough is in Northumbria as it was historically part of it.

Also worth noting that this part of the world was 'historically' part of the Roman Empire. So based on the historical argument, I can claim Middlesbrough is part of the Roman Empire.

It has also been historically part of the kingdom of Deria, and was once part of Danelaw the Viking kingdom.

Historically doesnt really mean anything. Its where we are now..

Middlesbrough
Ourselves Alone


Scrote Posted on 03/06/2008 14:49
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as i said on a similar post just the other day - generally, people south of the river seem to be able to cope with multiple identities

generally, people north of the river don't like boro (the club) being associated with yorkshire

as far as i'm concerned middlesbrough (the town) is in yorkshire and boro (the club) is a teesside club

the two are not exclusive

King_Ricard Posted on 03/06/2008 14:51
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To be honest, the 'flat earth Yorkshire society' mentality will be gone in a generation.

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 14:52
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Exactly. They are not exclusive.

If I may persist, Manchester is in Greater Manchester but you wouldn't say it's not part of Lancashire. Leeds and Sheffield have their own identities and they're in the same county.

AnitaWheater Posted on 03/06/2008 14:59
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What the frig? Can't we just be happy with Teesside? Agree that younger people feel more north-eastern, and older associate with Yorkshire - have had converstaion to that effect with our dad a few times.

Teesside's a nice catch-all.

guisBOROugh Posted on 03/06/2008 15:01
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Im a younger person and dont really want to be classed as North East or Yorkshire, Teesside suits me just nicely.

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 15:34
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I'm 27 and I'll happily settle for Teesside AND Yorkshire.

Rupert Posted on 03/06/2008 15:41
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this old chestnut again .....

i think its a generation thing. everyone i know my age (20's) classes themselves as teessiders, no one considers themselves as yorkshire folk.

does anyone from north of the river class themselves as durham or teesside ?

mar10 Posted on 03/06/2008 15:51
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i live in stockton and class my self as a teessider, county durham starts north of stockton as it has signs saying welcome to county durham , as you are heading to sunderland/newcastle

prepman Posted on 03/06/2008 15:54
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Dont there still have the nysd cricket league?

mar10 Posted on 03/06/2008 15:59
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i think so but i dont play cricket.

craig-pancrack Posted on 03/06/2008 16:00
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King Ricard you the man. They will be gone in a generation BUT will the young uns see emselves as Tees Valleers??? Heaven forbid.

OURSELVES ALONE...whats that in gaelic again...!

lakeoffire Posted on 03/06/2008 16:08
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Unitary authority Middlesbrough
Ceremonial county North Yorkshire
Region North East
Constituent country England
Sovereign state United Kingdom

Holgatewall Posted on 03/06/2008 16:10
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Yes, there's still an NYSD cricket League.

King_Ricard Posted on 03/06/2008 16:15
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Craig,

In Gaelic it is better known as

Sinn Féin

boro74 Posted on 03/06/2008 16:29
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"Unitary authority Middlesbrough
Ceremonial county North Yorkshire
Region North East
Constituent country England
Sovereign state United Kingdom"

They should print that permanently at the top of the board!

boro74 Posted on 03/06/2008 16:29
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"Unitary authority Middlesbrough
Ceremonial county North Yorkshire
Region North East
Constituent country England
Sovereign state United Kingdom"

They should print that permanently at the top of the board!

boro74 Posted on 03/06/2008 16:29
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"Unitary authority Middlesbrough
Ceremonial county North Yorkshire
Region North East
Constituent country England
Sovereign state United Kingdom"

They should print that permanently at the top of the board!

King_Ricard Posted on 03/06/2008 16:42
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sorry say that again.

craig-pancrack Posted on 03/06/2008 17:25
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king ric... i was being facetious

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 03/06/2008 17:41
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Im definetely not a yorkshireman. half my family is from the red side of the Pennines.
As the song says we are teesside

Wheaters_Stunt_Double Posted on 03/06/2008 17:41
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I worked for North Yorkshire County Council for 6 years in their Asset Management section as a surveyor dealing with the county's building & land ownership and I can categorically say that Middlesbrough has NEVER been part of North Yorkshire.

Up until 31st March 1973 Middlesbrough was part of the North Riding of Yorkshire when North Yorkshire was officially formed on 1st April 1974 the Ridings were dissolved and the northern most part of North Yorkshire was and still is Great Ayton.

Middlesbrough then became part of Cleveland County Council.

Whether you debate "where is Yorkshire?" is a different matter

LemmyKilmister Posted on 03/06/2008 17:44
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Don't care what you say.

I was born in the North Riding of Yorkshire.
I'm a Yorkshireman.
Middlesbrough is in North Yorkshire, cerimonially or not.

Funny how you don't get those born in the 70' say 'I'm a Clevelander'.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 17:48
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TEESSIDE END OF CHAT,.....

Juventus Posted on 03/06/2008 18:01
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The Teesside thing's not the end though, because that's not really relevant. The point some people are making is that you can be both - 'North Teesside' is in County Durham and 'South Teesside' is in North Yorkshire. Or so their argument goes. It's not whether we're Yorkshire or Teesside as you can be both, the argument is whether or not we're Yorkshire at all, irrespective of 'Teesside'.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 18:02
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no we live in the valley of the tees ,,,

mat_evans Posted on 03/06/2008 18:13
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How many of those Yorkshiremen (from Middlesbrough) consider themselves more Yorkshire than Teesside?

LemmyKilmister Posted on 03/06/2008 18:22
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None probably.
Such is the diversity of the county. I don't know of any 'professional Yorkshiremen' in Middlesbrough.

guyham Posted on 03/06/2008 18:24
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I'm both a Teessider and a Yorkshireman, sure people born after 1968 (I was born in 1967) feel less connected to Yorkshire, but the connection remains.

Teesside? Absolutely. Yorkshire? The county of my birth.

LemmyKilmister Posted on 03/06/2008 18:25
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guyham - Correct

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 18:27
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Why can't people understand that Yorkshire and Teesside are not mutually exclusive? Look at Chester - Deeside AND Cheshire.

bernieisgod Posted on 03/06/2008 18:41
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I was born in Redcar in 1960 and I am not a yorkshireman - I'm a Teessider, always have been and always will be - I hate the way people try to split our region - i identify with all Teessiders, north or south of the river. Yosrshire means nothing to me!

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 18:41
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I'm both.

Scrote Posted on 03/06/2008 18:47
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King_Ricard - your argument is great apart from the simple fact that it's wrong

the roman empire doesn't exist anymore so we may have once been a part of it but we aren't now

northumbria might have once covered this area (although i'm not sure that it did as such - a link would be helpful (i.e. northumbria as a region as opposed to just a reference to anywhere north of the humber)) but it no longer does so we aren't in that any more

when the boundaries were changed in '68 it was specifically said that they were administrative changes only and didn't affect county boundaries

therefore middlesbrough is still in yorkshire - it isn't historical it is where we are at present

bernieisgod Posted on 03/06/2008 18:48
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we??? - teesside is not just the town of Middlesbrough - Yorkshire can sod right off!!

Scrote Posted on 03/06/2008 18:53
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bernie - i've given definitions above

middlesbrough = the town
boro = the club

middlesbrough is in yorkshire
boro is a teesside club

if you live north of the river why do you care what people from middlesbrough call themselves?

i've just noticed you're from redcar - that makes you a yorkshireman whether you like it or not

however you don't have to ever refer to yourself as such - its entirely up to you - but don't tell me i'm not from yorkshire 'cos you don't want to be

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 18:56
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boundrys creat regions we have 2 hills that seperate us from yorkshire and one for durham in this great here valley were the greatest river in the world runs through and one is born in its reaches he my son is a t t teessider,...

LemmyKilmister Posted on 03/06/2008 18:59
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My daughter and son are from Yorkshire.

Scrote Posted on 03/06/2008 19:04
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yes - boundaries create regions but you can't arbitrarily decide to change which boundary is which (unless you're the british in 1948 palestine/india)

the northern boundary of yorkshire is the tees, the eastern boundary is the north sea, the southern boundary is the humber, the western boundary is the pennines*

if you are within that area you are yorkshire

if you want to create a new region based around the tees valley then you can - but it doesn't stop the southern bit being in yorkshire (or the northern bit being wherever that might be)

you could even create a new region with MFC at the centre and call it boroville - it still won't stop the yorkshire boundaries being the yorkshire boundaries

*there are probably deviations from this but as a general rule it works for the moment

Esekiel1517 Posted on 03/06/2008 19:07
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Anybody born North of the Tees has no heritage..FACT.:-)

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 19:08
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iam no yorkshire pudding ,a teesider made of steel,thats me..

neilg Posted on 03/06/2008 19:16
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anyone who supports aston villa is a failed asylum seeker who lives in a shanty called "aston", birmingham is a city. aston is on par with sparkbrooke or smethick.

lets face it "aston expressway" is a misnomer

gravely hill interchange makes wolverhampton look like the yorkshire moors.

the holt end reminds us of dogging opposite the lobster pot in staithes on a wet friday night.

villa park - its got a lot of history and was once a class above - a bit like the bloke who could once afford an e - type jag, but the paint faded and the wings rusted. no matter how much filler ya put in the villa the holes keep appearing. good on a good steady run, but slow off the mark and should always think twice before deciding to stay away for more than a week at a time.


ha! ha!.

were all good humoured lads us teesside yorkshire terriers! XXX. we welcome allsorts....just dont think weve not seen em coming up the A19 b4. ;-)x

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 19:20
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we dont even talk like them we have nowt in common ,by gum by ek give it us ,have ya got some waater i give us a right cup a tea,

Esekiel1517 Posted on 03/06/2008 19:22
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Thankyou Neil,for your continued support.

Its never been the same since Juninho has it?;-)

TheMonkticArcties Posted on 03/06/2008 19:24
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the question you have 2 ask is...
who wud u rather beat?
Leeds, Newcastle Or Sunderland?

and talk sport is S*** by the way!

neilg Posted on 03/06/2008 19:24
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iz tha tekkint P***? thaz betta wotch els arr judd ul cum un gi thi dad a gud forpneeun!

at least the boro sounds like a proppa accent between billy elliot and kes.

birmingham sounds like a cross between great yarmouth and scouse!

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 19:31
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iam gona put signs up on the clevland hills beware yorkshire puds you are now entering teesside now ffffffooookkkk off back ya twwwatttsss...

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 19:31
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'iam no yorkshire pudding ,a teesider made of steel,thats me..'

So much so that you cannot spell 'Teessider' correcly?

Or is there a River Tee around here?

LemmyKilmister Posted on 03/06/2008 19:33
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'we dont even talk like them we have nowt in common ,by gum by ek give it us ,have ya got some waater i give us a right cup a tea,'


Incorrect I'm afraid. People in Thirsk don't talk like that as don't folk in Bridlington or Malton.
or Scarborough
Or Beverley
Or York
or Selby
or Richmond
or Skipton

A good friend of mine is from Hull and he doesn't do the 'ee by gum' thing. He sounds more like a Teessider than those from South Yorkshire, where that type of accent emanates from.



bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 19:36
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they talk like that in emerdale by gum,,,,,

neilg Posted on 03/06/2008 19:38
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lemmy - they pretend to be from elsewhere around great ayton, yarm and stokesley - theyre too posh fut rest on uzz.

that little posh bit tries to sound like a smooth south durham accent - as if their dads were all chaplins in the university halls of residence!

mat_evans Posted on 03/06/2008 19:39
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"middlesbrough = the town
boro = the club"

Which is why we chant T T Teessider at the match and not "Yoooooooooorksha"


Esekiel1517 Posted on 03/06/2008 19:42
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You dont even know where you come from!!

neilg Posted on 03/06/2008 19:43
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thazz reet tha norrrz. bhut ar dunt shart T -T T siders -

its normly.."pass the F***** to him ya blind T***! eez fooking useless that !!!!"

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 19:43
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I am from Great Britain AND England.

I am from Yorkshire AND Teesside.

It is so simple really.

plazmuh Posted on 03/06/2008 19:45
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If they had located the football ground north of the River
Tees A load of people just wouldn,t go, A lot more than you think

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 19:45
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iam from middlburg teeside england ,,,,,,,,,fffoookkkk great britain too ....

LemmyKilmister Posted on 03/06/2008 19:45
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I'd rather say 'ee bah gum' than "Whyaye bonny lad! Y'alreet? Lez gan doon the toon an' spen a poond"

neilg Posted on 03/06/2008 19:47
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a city of two million - and birmingham only has one football club in the city boundary!

well i never.........

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 19:50
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Where is Manchester bigrichardthe3rd?

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 19:52
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i dont say either us teessiders have our own uniqe diarlect

LemmyKilmister Posted on 03/06/2008 19:53
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BillBones - Is the answer usually followed by 'w@nk w@nk w@nk'????

neilg Posted on 03/06/2008 19:55
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does anyone know the words to "song of the clyde" as sung by kenneth mckellar?

mat_evans Posted on 03/06/2008 19:55
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I know exactly where i come from Esekiel.

"If they had located the football ground north of the River
Tees A load of people just wouldn,t go, A lot more than you think"

You asked all these people have you [:D]


bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 20:00
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bill ,manchester lancashire ,
middlesbrough teesside ........

newjersey Posted on 03/06/2008 20:00
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I was going to let it pass, but I'm glad you picked up on that comment, Mat. Its not like anyone from north of the river said, "i'm not sure about crossing the river to watch that Boro, team"... they just turned up to watch their local team and I have no doubt it would be exactly the same if it was the other way around.

Esekiel1517 Posted on 03/06/2008 20:00
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I told you they were lost Mat!:-)

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 20:01
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This is my point. Your logic would put Manchester in Greater Manchester and not Lancashire. They have their own dialect and identity so why claim that they're in Lancashire?

mat_evans Posted on 03/06/2008 20:06
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Whose lost?

I can't say i consider the thought, when i travel from stockton middlesbrough NJ. Why would it be any different the other way round? Unless of course those south of the river are the apathetic faction of our support [;)]

neilg Posted on 03/06/2008 20:08
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show a villa fan a map - hed

look at it,

blink,

then eat it!

plazmuh Posted on 03/06/2008 20:10
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Just cos you dont like it dont make it a lie
and You know im right. Less people would go Because
to some people it would be in County Durham.
Was told when i was a young lad anyone over the border
(the train station) was a moron still very true
accept it

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 20:11
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'Railway Station' not 'Train Station'.

plazmuh Posted on 03/06/2008 20:12
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ITS STILL A FACT

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 20:13
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in this valley ther is only one prem team and all who live in it should support the boro, and be proud to have been born on the banks of the river tees,,,so hail fellow teessiders...

plazmuh Posted on 03/06/2008 20:17
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Are you denying a North South devide

mat_evans Posted on 03/06/2008 20:41
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I'm denying your intelligence Plazmuh.

craig-pancrack Posted on 03/06/2008 20:51
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We can debate political boundary name changes, ideological socio-economic and personal preferences til the cows come home, we can argue Yorkshire is older than Teesside and Cleveland older than them both BUT there is one thing that is indisputable... the unique culture evolving from the great peasant horde who flocked to this sparsely populated unknown corner of Britain after 1840. To the works and the iron mines from the 4 corners of Britain and Ireland and on BOTH sides of the river - unified by industry and the river - not divided. DARE TO EVOLVE! (this doesnt include Tees Valley, a branding scam invented by infiltrating non-locals in suits and a geographical misnomer that is actually located 30 odd miles away upstream).

On Ilkley Moormyarse...

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 03/06/2008 20:54
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well said craig,,,,, we creat our own boundries and mine is in this valley wich is teesside...over the hills is durham and yorkshire...

mat_evans Posted on 03/06/2008 20:56
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and so say all of us

Davey_C Posted on 03/06/2008 22:58
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Do the people of Redcar know where YORKSHIRE Day is being held this year? ........ Redcar

Go Racing in YORKSHIRE, which North-East racecourse can be found on their website? .... Redcar

http://www.goracing.co.uk/


Link: Yorkshire Day Comes To Redcar!

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 03/06/2008 23:02
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King Ricard, for your information, the name Northumbria originates from Roman times and means "the land north of the humber". This would actually make all Yorkshire part of the ancient land of Northumbria.

As my username suggests, I'm a Teessider first and foremost and have more in common with those from Stockton & Billingham than Leeds, Bradford and Sheffield. As I was born south of the river, I'm still a Yorkshireman. As has already been said, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

The sooner we have a single authority for TEESSIDE, the better.

red_rebel Posted on 03/06/2008 23:21
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Teesside is two sides of the river joined by a bridge and a shared accent, history, culture and economy. Everything that shapes our lives we have in common with people from Stockton, Billingham, Redcar and the Boro. We have next to no identity with York let alone Doncaster or Barnsley.

Lines on a map are ancient history shaped by remote bureaucrats, corrupt politicians and absentee landowners. What counts is how we shape our present and our future and there is nothing more certain than that we will do that together at Teesside.

NorfolknGood Posted on 03/06/2008 23:25
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Its Teesside and Yorkshire thats still in my blood
The romance of the nasty fumes
Dales that mean good
For my homes in the smoke by that cold mucky river
And our ancestors came oer the wind bitten heather.

Richard Grainger, Teesside Fettlers

Actually written before Teesside ever existed as an administrative bureaucracy.

BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 23:26
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'We have next to no identity with York let alone Doncaster or Barnsley.' Why can't a place built on ironstone mining identify with somewhere built on coal mining?

What identity does, say, Marske have with Stockton or Billingham?



Grumpy_Paul Posted on 04/06/2008 01:44
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BillBones Posted on 03/06/2008 19:31
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'iam no yorkshire pudding ,a teesider made of steel,thats me..'

So much so that you cannot spell 'Teessider' correcly?

Or is there a River Tee around here?


NO, but beware of the ide of June


The_same_as_before Posted on 04/06/2008 09:12
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Sorry RR, I have nothing in common with people from Billingham and Stockton.

Where are their Iron Ore pits? their Steel Mills? the River Tees was placed where it was for a good reason, to make the North of it South Scotland and the South of it Yorkshire.

Rupert Posted on 04/06/2008 09:23
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id rather saw one of my legs off with a rusty saw than be assiciated with yorkshire.

T T TEESSIDERS

craig-pancrack Posted on 04/06/2008 10:35
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INDUSTRY IN THE_SAME_AS_BEFORE'S "SOUTH SCOTLAND"
(aka NORTH BANK OF THE TEES):

Bell Brothers Ironworks, Port Clarence
Holdsworth and Co. Stockton Ironworks
Stockton Malleable Iron Co.
Stockton Rail Mill co.
Stockton Iron Foundry Co.
Richmond Iron works, Stockton
R Jacques & Co. Stockton
Norton Iron Co.
West Stockton Iron Co.
Bowesfiled Iron Co.
North of England Iron and coal Co. Carlton
Hartlepool Maaleable Iron Co.
Richardsons, West Hartlepool
Hartlepool Rolling Mills Co
Blair G & Co. Stockton
Head Wrightson & Co. Stockton as well as Thornaby
Davy United Roll Foundry Billingham
Stranton Iron and Steel Co. Hartlepool
South Durham Steel and Iron Co. Portrack
Tees Bridge Iron works Stockton
Pease and Partners Stockton

Furness Shipyard, Haverton Hill
Sadler Chemicals Billingham
ICI Billingham etc. etc.

Sources:
Teesside's Economic Heritage (GA NORTH)
Cleveland Iron and Steel (Almond/Harrison)

now shoot me down!

downinman Posted on 04/06/2008 10:40
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My dad was born in middlesbrough and I notice his accent is different to people who have been born in middlesbrough last 40 years. I do believe that the accent is changing to a teesside accent which is closer to newcastle than yorkshire. I blame those north of the river.

mat_evans Posted on 04/06/2008 10:41
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"What identity does, say, Marske have with Stockton or Billingham?"

Try:
a football club
an accent
a working history
the tees

etc etc

What does marske have in common with Barnsley?

The_same_as_before Posted on 04/06/2008 11:32
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Where are their Iron Ore pits?


Basically like Sunderland Billingham and to a lesser degree Stockton are suberbs of South Newcastle , infact the Metro should have a station in each.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 04/06/2008 11:39
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'We have next to no identity with York let alone Doncaster or Barnsley.'

FFS why can`t people get it into their thick skulls. Middlesbrough is in NORTH yorkshire. SOUTH Yorkshire (Sheffield, Doncaster, Barnsley) is a completely different county. WEST Yorkshire (Leeds, Bradford) is a completely different county. Why is that so difficult to understand????

Stop saying we have nothing in common with Cities & Towns that are in other counties!!!!!

number9 Posted on 04/06/2008 11:41
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tis in Yorkshire.

The_same_as_before Posted on 04/06/2008 11:44
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Bernies right, I am English and have nothing in common with people from say Luton, that does not mean I am not English.

I am a Yorkshireman who has nothing in common from a bloke in Wakefield, that does not make me un-Yorkshire.

See above re Durham.

Wheaters_Stunt_Double Posted on 04/06/2008 11:51
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Bernie_was_right, hey lets not let fact get in the way why don't we....

MIDDLESBROUGH HAS N E V E R E V E R been in North Yorkshire as I posted before North Yorkshire was created in 1974 from the old Ridings and Middlesbrough whilst being in the North Riding of Yorkshire was NEVER transfered into North Yorkshire.

Now I hope I have had that clear for your "thick skull" if you want to argue that Middlesbrough was historically part of Yorkshire, then fine but NOT and I can't stress this hard enough NOT NOT NOT, NEVER EVER North Yorkshire....... oh and York went separate in 1996 or 98 I can't fully remember, so York isn't in North Yorkshire either

Written whilst sat at my desk in Northallerton, North Yorkshire

thank you


Link: North Yorkshire

RedSectorA Posted on 04/06/2008 11:58
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Errm...the Borough of Stockton-on-Tees encompasses a small piece of land known as Thornaby, which is south of the Tees, and by definition by some (and the birth certificates of 2 brothers) puts it also partly in Yorkshire.

Puts on tin hat and ducks.

The_same_as_before Posted on 04/06/2008 13:25
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Completely agree I have never lived in North Yorkshire, however I was born in the North Riding of Yorkshire, as a lad from Wakefield was born in The South Riding.

Rupert Posted on 04/06/2008 13:41
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the areas police force is cleveland not yorkshire.

theres a big hint

HeineOtto Posted on 04/06/2008 13:54
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In the days when you had to be born in Yorkshire to play for Yorkshire County Cricket, being born in Middlesbrough made you eligible because as stated numerous times the town of Middlesbrough is in the North Riding of Yorkshire. Yorkshire and England cricketer during this period Chris Old was born in Middlesbrough. I've always followed Yorkshire cricket and class myself as a Teessider and a Yorkshireman in the same way someone from Manchester would be a Mancunian and a Lancastrian.

Scrote Posted on 04/06/2008 13:56
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RedSectorA - thats the whole point of my last post

regions can overlap but whilst they are still extant older regions still apply to the areas they cover

therefore thornaby can be in stockton borough whilst also being in yorkshire

however, it doesn't then follow that stockton is in yorkshire as the yorkshire boundary is the tees

Wheaters_Stunt_Double - there isn't any point arguing that middlesbrough was historically in yorkshire because theres no historical about it - middlesbrough is STILL in yorkshire whether you like it or not

and having things in common isn't what the debate is about - i speak english and so do australians - does that mean i have more in common with australia than i do with france?

or is the fact that france is part of europe whilst australia isn't a sure-fire indicator that i have more in common with the french?

as red_rebel almost said - you can bring commonality down to the level of the individual if you really want to...

RedSectorA Posted on 04/06/2008 14:07
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Scrote: but we can agree that a part of what is (and was) the Borough of Stockton is in fact located in what was (at that time)then Yorkshire. The self-same land was Yorkshire and was Stockton. Just something for the anti-Stockton brigade to think on.

Born in the maternity home in Stockton (when it was South Durham, personally didn't have a choice in the matter) family home was Thornaby at the time (in Yorkshire). So, born in Durham but never lived there, happy to be a Teessider and have always supported Boro.

I think that someone quoted it nicely before - the River Tees should unite us and not divide us.

Scrote Posted on 04/06/2008 14:12
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"the River Tees should unite us and not divide us."

absolutely - which is why the club should make sure it is known as a teesside club first and foremost

however the argument is more about is boro the top club in yorkshire - to which the answer is a resounding YES [;)]

RedSectorA Posted on 04/06/2008 14:14
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"however the argument is more about is boro the top club in yorkshire - to which the answer is a resounding YES"

Abso-bloody-lutely. [:D]


The_same_as_before Posted on 04/06/2008 14:39
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But, it never was a Teesside club, and as far as I am concerned still isn't. If I was born and lived in Stockton that is who i would watch.

RedSectorA Posted on 04/06/2008 14:54
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Difficult to support a club that wasn't there though. Do a google map on Wembley Way, Stockton. That's where Victoria Ground was, and I remember it being there as a kid. Knee-high grass, collapsing stands, rusted corrugated sheeting.

craig-pancrack Posted on 04/06/2008 15:13
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CLEVELAND iron put us on the world map in the 19th century which is why there is a "Cleveland Street" in virtually every town and large village across the area. That was to herald the start of our individuality. Please note complete absence of "Yorkshire Street".

Bernie_was_right Posted on 04/06/2008 15:26
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Wheater_Stunt_Double

You are very misguided i`m afraid. The New Yorksire counties were simply new names for the traditional Yorkshire ridings, with a few boundary changes. Cleveland, created at the time, was little more than an administrative area, same as Humberside (and also Avon, created at the same time).

North Yorks is just a new name for the North Riding of Yorkshire.
However you look at it, the South bank of the Tees is the Northern County of Yorkshire.

Pancrack. Cleveland is merely a part of Yorkshire, same as say, Airedale, or Hambleton.

Written at my desk in Middlesbrough, North Yorkshire.

RedSectorA Posted on 04/06/2008 15:31
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Bernie - Cleveland encompassed the town of Stockton too, so it wasn't part of Yorkshire, it was a county in its own right.

Rupert Posted on 04/06/2008 15:33
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it was deffo a county as it says so on my birth certificate

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 04/06/2008 15:34
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I'm from stockton and it was part of durham until cleveland was formed in 74. durham ccc have played at stockton cc a few times since then but i dont count myself to be from durham. to be honest i dont care, cant understand what all the fuss is about with boro and yorkshire. whats the big deal. north riding of yorkshire, north yorkshire, cleveland, tees vally WGAF.

mailinator Posted on 04/06/2008 15:36
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You lot must have the memory of a goldfish. This gets discussed on here on AT LEAST a weekly basis.

I've never known so much debate over where you are from. Does someone elses designated name for your area change where you are from?

Interestingly, people are happy to trust things like birth certificates but when it comes to "are you English or British?" these official documents such as passports are not valid.

jam69 Posted on 04/06/2008 15:42
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theres a york rd

RedSectorA Posted on 04/06/2008 15:47
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Stockton has a Yorkshire Building Society.

Wheaters_Stunt_Double Posted on 04/06/2008 16:17
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Bernie_was_right

If anyone is misguided then I'm afraid it is you my friend, if you care to read the previous posts I actually worked in the part of North Yorkshire County Council which looks after the counties interest and boundaries for 6 years. I dealt with every aspect of ownership, buying and selling of land, boundary disputes etc and I can tell you 100% Middlesbrough was not included in the transfer into North Yorkshire, The Ridings were not just renamed but redefined.

Maybe I'm just being pedantic, if you believe that Middlesbrough is in the northern part of what you call "Yorkshire" then fine that's your prerogative, but Middlesbrough is not within the districts of Hambleton/Scarborough/Ryedale/Selby/Harrogate/Craven/Richmondshire so therefore is not part of North Yorkshire.

Feel free to look through rosey-tinted glasses at an area that you want to belong but facts are YOU DON'T !!

Bernie_was_right Posted on 04/06/2008 16:30
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Wheater: You are missing the point. 1000 years of Yorkshire history was disregarded when self serving bureaucrats (are you one of them?) re-drew the map in 74 creating made up counties that no one asked for (Cleveland, Avon etc).

This unpopular move (who misses Cleveland Couty??) was then thrown in the bin 20 years later when Cleveland council was scrapped, and ceremonialy at least, the Yorkshire name was restored to the Southern banks of the Tees.

1000 years in Yorkshire Vs 20 years out, on the whim of unelected council penpushers. I know where i stand

The task now is to educate those who don`t think they are part of Yorkshire, to make them aware of their history, heritage & birthright.

boro74 Posted on 04/06/2008 16:31
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You're wrong. Middlesbrough is in North Yorkshire. The Ceremonial County of North Yorkshire to be precise.

boro74 Posted on 04/06/2008 16:31
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You're wrong. Middlesbrough is in North Yorkshire. The Ceremonial County of North Yorkshire to be precise.

Wheaters_Stunt_Double Posted on 04/06/2008 16:55
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"Yorkshire history was disregarded when self serving bureaucrats (are you one of them?)" not anymore !!

I am fully aware that historically Middlesbrough was part of what was then known as Yorkshire (I also went to the last Yorkshire game at Acklam Park in 1995) It just gets on my tats when people with nothing to back it up argue that we are part of N'Yorks when we are obviously not, which was what the debate was - North Yorkshire or Teeside

Hell once upon a time the River Tees was the boundary between England & Scotland, which sounds fair and sensible to me !!

prepman Posted on 04/06/2008 17:08
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Why dont all you lot north of the river just F*** off to geordie land where you belong,and leave us yorkies alone.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 04/06/2008 17:23
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Wheater: So out of interest, where do you believe Middlesbrough is now? North Yorks, Tees Valley, Cleveland..........

Also, same question regarding Hull?

boro74 Posted on 04/06/2008 17:24
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Wheater Stunt Double. You continually say that Middlesbrough is not in North Yorkshire.That's not true. Do you deny that Middlesbrough is in the Ceremomial County of North Yorkshire?

Professor_Yaffle Posted on 04/06/2008 17:28
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He means that Middlesbrough is in the north of Yorkshire but not North Yorkshire.

boro74 Posted on 04/06/2008 17:30
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Here's something to back up my claim


Link: Act of Parliament

boro74 Posted on 04/06/2008 17:30
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Here's something to back up my claim


Link: Act of Parliament

boro74 Posted on 04/06/2008 17:37
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According to the link, the ceremonial county of North Yorkshire consists of

North Yorkshire, Middlesbrough, Redcar and Cleveland, York and so much of Stockton-on-Tees as lies south of the line for the time being of the centre of the River Tees

Wheaters_Stunt_Double Posted on 04/06/2008 17:39
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Ceremomial County of North Yorkshire - that is just an made up title with no base and no meaning. Answer me this, what part of you council tax goes towards North Yorkshire? go on check it.

I do in some aspects agree with bernie_was_right back in 1974 the old county's and Ridings were dissolved and redefined by bureaucrats, at some point Middlesbrough may have been given a ceremonial title but it does not anything in real terms, do you believe that Middlesbrough is actually twinned with Oberhausen in Germany? or just a PR exercise?

Oh and thank you Professor_Yaffle that's exactly where I am coming from.

bernie_was_right I am happy & proud that Middlesbrough is unitary authority which stands alone not needing to be part of a larger county. Don't get me wrong I love my history and I am not disregarding Yorkshire I just like the idea that we are Middlesbrough plain and simple......

boro74, I hadn't read your post before writing mine but THANK YOU for backing up my argument. The Lieutenancies Act 1997 clearly states that in their "County for the purposes of this Act" (the clue is in the wording purpose of this act) BOTH Middlesbrough and North Yorkshire are named separately !!!! surely IF M'bro was part of N'Yorks it wouldn't of had to name each separately, after all it doesn't name Bedale, Pickering, Barly etc etc

Therefore proving that Middlesbrough IS NOT part of North Yorkshire--------------FACT


Scrote Posted on 04/06/2008 19:28
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Wheaters_Stunt_Double - so you do agree that middlesbrough is in yorkshire then?

and are you just arguing the semantics of North Yorkshire and northern Yorkshire?

if so - carry on [;)]

Donny_Boro Posted on 04/06/2008 19:33
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Michael Portillo, then Minister of Local Government and Inner Cities wrote in 1990 “I can confirm that the government still stands by the statement ..... that the local authority areas and boundaries introduced in April 1974 do not alter the traditional boundaries of counties. The 1974 arrangements are entirely administrative, and need not affect long-standing loyalties and affinities.”

Shouting FACT does not make an untruth a truth!

R


buffaloboro Posted on 04/06/2008 19:37
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Yorkshire - if the London based officials hadn't messed with it ( prob' jealous , coming from souless Southern Counties ) - this wldn't be a debate.
My Uncle , who worked in the mines of East Cleveland, was a proud Yorkshireman who also felt himself a Tees-sider .

OPEO Posted on 04/06/2008 19:54
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I was born in Park end Middlesbrough. My birth certificate says North Riding of Yorkshire. T-T-Teessiders!

Wheaters_Stunt_Double Posted on 04/06/2008 22:21
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Scrote - yes I am just arguing the semantics to be honest lol

But hey it is something I have taken a great interest in (personally and professionally) so it annoys me when people quote things are are just not true.

I have never thought of Middlesbrough as part of Yorkshire (which is what the sensible people are arguing) but that is my own personal thought I don't see myself as a "Yorkshire Man" I'm from Middlesbrough and proud of it

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 04/06/2008 23:06
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Wheater, are we at cross-purposes? You seem to be basing your argument on administrative boundaries, while the pro-Yorkshire brigade are basing their argument on the historic ridings of Yorkshire. Which county were we under pre-County Borough of Teesside (1968). Methinks it was North Yorkshire, but I may be wrong.

mar10 Posted on 04/06/2008 23:41
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"But, it never was a Teesside club, and as far as I am concerned still isn't. If I was born and lived in Stockton that is who i would watch."

there is no stockton team, the only other team is thornaby, which plays in thornaby which is in yorkshire coz its south of the tees.

oh and durham university is in yorkshire as its south of the tees

buffaloboro Posted on 04/06/2008 23:46
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The "tees-sider" not Yorks/Durham crew fall flat as it would not have been an issue for ANY supporter prior to 1974

ccole Posted on 04/06/2008 23:54
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some people seem very selective on where in history they want to start on this topic.




Link: All in the same county!

red_rebel Posted on 05/06/2008 00:11
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History and its structures can't be fixed or we would be arguing the toss over Danelaw and Northumbria. The point is not where Middlesbrough WAS but where Middlesbrough IS.

Middlesbrough is a new entity, only a 150 years old. That it grew within a dotted line on a 1000 year old map doesn't mean it is integral to that old unit. If that was the case all the new nations of Europe and the world would have been stifled at birth.

New political units rise because they have a separate successful economic and cultural existence that defines them, forces the politicians to recognise them and draw new dotted lines. That is where we are now, a new unit - Teesside.

Eventually, after a lot of arguments that new identity will become the dominant one and old ideas that we are somehow a satellite of York or Durham will crumble away. It is already happening. You medievalist luddites are history.

NorfolknGood Posted on 05/06/2008 00:11
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Sowhere's Middlesex then?

End of story.

Teesside, Cleveland re administartaive creations, created to keep bueaaucrtats like Wheaters stunt double in a job

buffaloboro Posted on 05/06/2008 00:33
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I don't think that people are selective in their historical perspective - you are using a literal extreme that proves little. Following that logic , we shouldn't class ourselves as English, Europeans etc etc as we move back to the formation of the Earth.
The Yorkshire debate is fresh as it covers the past 1000 years of our history - time when we really could call ourselves a country & there was a true development of the idea of a Nation - State.
As to where we are now: We are a group of people , some from North & some from the South of the River Tees. We are not all Tees-siders ( you wld be hard pushed to call Redcar & out part of Tees-side , geographically speaking ) but the term is used.
It can be used freely , but Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire & the land on which is stands has been part of Yorkshire for over 1000 years. That is not looking back - those who disagree are trying to forge an identity that doesn't need to be forged - as I stated before, I am sure it wasn't an issue b4 the London based bowler hatted CS changed it all in the mid - 1970's.

Scrote Posted on 05/06/2008 00:36
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ccole & red_rebel

the KINGDOM of northumbria no longer exists

danelaw no longer exists

yorkshire DOES exist and its boundaries have not been changed

therefore middlesbrough is in yorkshire

i don't have a problem with teesside (in fact i would consider myself a teessider first and foremost) BUT i am also a yorkshireman and i'm happy with that

i'm not a member of the kingdom of northumbria 'cos there's no such thing

bEN77 Posted on 05/06/2008 11:07
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Crikey... Its exactly this sort of bickering that leads to civil unrest in all those Russian republics.

How about "Middlesbrough, Smoggyshire"?

craig-pancrack Posted on 05/06/2008 11:23
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or Durhamteesvalleyshire?

fleabow Posted on 05/06/2008 11:36
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Please try to get into your heads that the geographical borders of Yorkshire are the same as they always where. So Middlesbrough the town IS in the North Riding of Yorkshire just as Stockton and Sunderland ARE in County Durham and Newcastle IS in Northumberland.
None of the old county borders were altered in 1974. The only thing that changed were the administrative borders.
'The new county boundaries are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change, despite the different names adopted by the new administrative counties.'
(Government statement 1974.)
These administrative areas are all here to day gone to morrow entities and they are purely local government administrative areas and can be altered or abolished at any time.
For those who still doubt were the Boro is please note that Middlesbrough is a self governing Borough wholey within the historic and geographical borders of Yorkshire just the same as York is, or are you also saying that York isn't in Yorkshire either?

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 05/06/2008 11:45
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If everyone north of the river invades the south and takes over, does that mean it will be part of durham. then us northerners can rename middlesbrough and redcar area to 'south durhamshire'. he he. who cares we are all part of the north east of england and proud of it.

bEN77 Posted on 05/06/2008 12:16
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careful craig...

there'll be somebody in a position of power who'll read that and go "hmmmmmmmm The North Riding of SouthDurhamTeesValleyShire. I like that!"

Davey_C Posted on 05/06/2008 12:38
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Spot on fleabow

When you approach the outskirts of York, you get welcome to York signs and on the other sign of the road welcome to North Yorkshire. Same on the boarders of Hull - welcome to Kingston upon Hull, otherside of the road welcome to the East Riding of Yorkshire.

On the A19 either just before or after it's the same, South bound welcoming you to North Yorkshire, north bound - Welcome to Middlesbrough in the Tees Valley? All places that have their own administration.

HeineOtto Posted on 05/06/2008 13:12
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I see Yorkshire and Durham have been kept apart in the semi finals of the Friends Provident trophy. The showdown at Lords is still a possibility.

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 05/06/2008 13:48
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I find this argument rather silly. I definatly think Middlesbrough is part of North Yorkshire. I find it hard to understand why people try to deny it.

Yes we are also Teesside, but to say we are not part of North Yorkshire is plain daft.


Link: North Yorkshire

prepman Posted on 05/06/2008 13:58
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I will tell once again,all you daft T***s from north of the river F*** off back to geordie land where you belong. .your not wanted in our beautiful YORKSHIRE.