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Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 15:09
Man United after Downing?

Got told this morning that they have tabled a 17 mil bid.

Could this be why Southgate sees Adam Johnson as an important member of the first team?
Do you think we would sell him if the money got to,say, 20-25 mil?

BigCasino Posted on 23/05/2008 15:12
Man United after Downing?

If he wanted to go, yes we would
If he didn't, no I don't think we would.

Libbins Posted on 23/05/2008 15:13
Man United after Downing?

Well every player has a price as they say.

It would depend on whether he wanted to go. If he did, Man Utd would go up to £20m easily.

If he was content at Boro, i doubt we'd sell him for anything.

prepman Posted on 23/05/2008 15:13
Man United after Downing?

17 million,myarse.

Libbins Posted on 23/05/2008 15:13
Man United after Downing?

Mr Casino, that's what i meant.

RenzoRosso Posted on 23/05/2008 15:14
Man United after Downing?

Lets not be silly, Mutd will not, even table a fiver for downing.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 15:14
Man United after Downing?

I'd take £13m and that's pushing it!

If people think we would honestly get £20m for him then you must be on drugs.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/05/2008 15:15
Man United after Downing?

If Man U were after him, he'd be mad not to go. I can understand him not going to Spurs, but Man U, will pay him bigger wages and guarentee (virtually) medals.

NedKat Posted on 23/05/2008 15:15
Man United after Downing?

17M ... ? That would pay for the Academy three times over !!

I suppose it's up to him, and I'd love him to stay, but if he was offered Man Utd chances of winning titles, European Cups, FA Cups ,,etc .. then he would be daft if he didn't go //

Libbins Posted on 23/05/2008 15:15
Man United after Downing?

Well it's not my valuation of him; more of an idea of what he's worth to our club.

captain5 Posted on 23/05/2008 15:16
Man United after Downing?

I don't know about 20 million but he's got to be in a similar bracket to Carrick.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 23/05/2008 15:17
Man United after Downing?

no way dont give them wwwaannnkkerrs foookkk all downing is pure class ,we dont sell our best players. so fffoookkk off fergy ya booossey nosed tttwwaaattt..

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 15:17
Man United after Downing?

Personally, I don't think Downing gets enough credit.
He played last season in a very poor side, and stuck out.
For the majority of games he was doubled up on, and was still our best player by a good way.
I think he would be outstanding in a top side where opposition couldn't afford to two up on him.

Very underrated player.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 15:19
Man United after Downing?

No he hasn't. He's no where near as good a player as Carrick is, that said I do think Carrick was overvalued but he's been an integral part of Man Utd's team, over the past two seasons, which has seen them get a CL and two PL titles.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/05/2008 15:19
Man United after Downing?

Boro should get every penny possible, but Gibbo wont stand in his way if he get the chance and wants to go.

Frank_Lopez Posted on 23/05/2008 15:21
Man United after Downing?

If he does go i can see Southgate coming out with - "We won't be looking for a left winger to replace Downing, as i have faith that Adam Johnson can step in"

Holgateoldskool Posted on 23/05/2008 15:21
Man United after Downing?

And our Prem place is worth twice that figure - that is how important he is to us IMO.

Libbins Posted on 23/05/2008 15:22
Man United after Downing?

I wonder how long before the Gazette people read this thread and fabricate a back page story thus unsettling Downing and alerting the UK's press and the charade begins again...

GGGG Posted on 23/05/2008 15:22
Man United after Downing?

£17 million sounds a bit far fetched, I rate Downing very highly and is vital to the Middlesbrough team he is a class act but i dont see Fergie forking out that amount for him id say round about £10-12 million would probably be more his price range. Fingers crossed this story isnt true mind we need Downing

The_same_as_before Posted on 23/05/2008 15:23
Man United after Downing?

Downing is the most underrated player at MFC, it was only 6 months ago 96.782% of the people on here thought he was shoite.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 15:23
Man United after Downing?

I agree Holgate, but I think we need to face up to the fact that Downing is a very classy player, and is the best left sided player that England has.
He will move on to bigger and better things before long.

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 15:23
Man United after Downing?

Downing is quality. I can see ferguson coming in for him at some point and I can see him coming in for Wheater. It's wrong but that's what top teams do to get top players.

captain5 Posted on 23/05/2008 15:24
Man United after Downing?

Downing would be absolutely superb for Man Utd if they play 442. He works hard, unlike Ronaldo on the other and would get far more space on his side of the pitch than he gets in our one dimensional team.

If they play their current formation with Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez, then he's of little use.

red_rebel Posted on 23/05/2008 15:25
Man United after Downing?

If there was anything in it I'm sure his nice agent man would be the first to alert the national press.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 15:26
Man United after Downing?

Maybe Sir Alex is ready to cash in on Ronaldo?
75-100 mil for him, and he could afford 20 for Downing.

Fergie has no problem selling big players if it benefits his club.

RenzoRosso Posted on 23/05/2008 15:26
Man United after Downing?

have a word,
murtd have the pick of the worlds players this summer, and whos the bellend who thinks we don't sell our best players? we have always sold our best players.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 15:27
Man United after Downing?

downing is good enough to play for the big 4, and if Manure or Chelsea came in for him we would have to demand top dollar. There is no point selling him for 13-15 mill, it would be backwards step.

17 mill in todays market for a 22 year old england international and our best player is still selling him short. When you consider the silly money that SWP or Carrick or Hargreaves went for. Carrick and HArgreaves are defensively minded players for gods sake, attacking ones always cost more.

ultimately I hope he stays with us for at least another year, and if we have to cash in it's 20 mill +. At that price it is a good deal for us.

Note for all the anti-Downing booboys, Only Gerrard and Lampard scored more goals than Downing from midfield, they are older, more experienced, and playing in better teams, how much are they worth?

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 15:27
Man United after Downing?

I expect fergie to drop 30 million off for Fabiano in the next few months

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 15:28
Man United after Downing?

Spot on Boromart.

He is on a long contract, so if anyone does want him, then they pay.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 15:29
Man United after Downing?

"and is the best left sided player that England has"

Better than Ashley Young? I'm not so sure myself like.

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 15:29
Man United after Downing?

fergie will have had his scouts on stuey all season. He'll have seen his goal tally and thought, hmm, I'll have a slice of that.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 15:30
Man United after Downing?

Ashley Young is right-sided but shoehorned on the left. Undoubtedly an excellant player, but doesn't have control or passing range of Downing.

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 15:31
Man United after Downing?

Stuey's game now is what ferguson has coached into Giggsy overtime.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 15:31
Man United after Downing?

Everyone has an opinion on the left side of England debate.

Personally, I think Downing is a class above Young.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/05/2008 15:31
Man United after Downing?

One for certain, all the press that slag him off playing for England will all of a sudden think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread if he play for Man U. (Like some of the posters on here!)

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 15:33
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exactly Bandy, he isn't just a kick and run player like Young, although he can do that. Downing can also play cross field balls, come inside and play one-twos, get into shooting positions. He has much more variety than an Ashley Young or Aaron Lennon type winger.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 23/05/2008 15:34
Man United after Downing?

Downing is a good player but not 'fashionable' enough to play for any team in top 6 unless Boro squeeze into that list in the coming seasons. Fans of other clubs don't rate him - they want exotic foreigners like Malouda, Babel and Nani, not a bloke from the Boro.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/05/2008 15:35
Man United after Downing?

Fergie likes a good passer of the ball and Downing fits the bill, more then the usual headless chickens English wingers eg Young, lennon, swp.

Nero Posted on 23/05/2008 15:38
Man United after Downing?

If Man Utd sign a typical centre forward, which has been mentioned in the press, then Downing would be ideal.

He'd supple the crosses and passes all day long.

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 15:40
Man United after Downing?

I think Fergie will go for Fabiano

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 23/05/2008 15:40
Man United after Downing?

he,s a boro player not a man u player fffookkk them he will be playing for us necst season ,

Brick_Tamland Posted on 23/05/2008 15:41
Man United after Downing?

He'd be jeered by the fans who would draw comparisons to Giggs and find Downing a poor alternative. I like Downing but he would be as popular at United as Dong Gook Lee was here. No chance of him going there.

Libbins Posted on 23/05/2008 15:41
Man United after Downing?

necst.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 15:41
Man United after Downing?

"Ashley Young is right-sided but shoehorned on the left. Undoubtedly an excellant player, but doesn't have control or passing range of Downing."

Boromart posting S*** yet again, what a surprise! Have you actually watched Ashley Young play? Saying he doesn't have the control or passing range Downing has is effing stupid!!! He plays the left-wing better than Downing does I'm afraid to say.

Granted Downing is a good player in a crappy team, but some of you need to take your rose-tinted specs off!

TMG501 Posted on 23/05/2008 15:42
Man United after Downing?

ecsactly

NSB_19 Posted on 23/05/2008 15:42
Man United after Downing?

Its utter B*******. 17 Million! Bloody hell if that was true we should snap their hands off. I like Downing but if we do sell him we would get 8 Million max and that is pushing it.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 23/05/2008 15:43
Man United after Downing?

lib me sead doesnt work on key board ,,,,,

Keverson Posted on 23/05/2008 15:43
Man United after Downing?

You all seriously believe Man Utd want Downing?

Hehe [:D]

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 15:43
Man United after Downing?

"He'd be jeered by the fans who would draw comparisons to Giggs and find Downing a poor alternative. I like Downing but he would be as at United popular as Dong Gook Lee was here. No chance of him going there."

I don't think Fergie would buy Downing anyway. Ronaldo and Nani can both play on the left-wing, I'm pretty sure Park can too. Downing would be surplus to requirements there given Man U's crop of wingers.

BigCasino Posted on 23/05/2008 15:44
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"He's no where near as good as a player as Carrick is"

There must be something about Carrick and his game that I'm completely missing. I'd rather have SD than 2 Carricks.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 15:45
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"There must be something about Carrick and his game that I'm completely missing. I'd rather have SD than 2 Carricks."

Maybe you should watch ManU play then or better still go and actually ask some ManU fans what they think of Carrick.

ccole Posted on 23/05/2008 15:46
Man United after Downing?

No Sale.

We have moved on.

We keep our best players now.


Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 15:46
Man United after Downing?

Downing and Evra playing together would be a handful for any defence.

Brick_Tamland Posted on 23/05/2008 15:46
Man United after Downing?

APart from Woodgate.

Juno Posted on 23/05/2008 15:47
Man United after Downing?

I'd accept it, and tell them to throw in Nani on loan for a year and we'll loan Johnson out to West Brom or something.

Hercules Posted on 23/05/2008 15:47
Man United after Downing?

Boromart is spot on.

If Utd will pay £16m for Carrick we should demand at least the same for Downing.

Libbins Posted on 23/05/2008 15:47
Man United after Downing?

"You all seriously believe Man Utd want Downing?

Hehe"

Sorry, Kewell, Smicer, Voronin, Leto, El Zhar, Benayoun, Pennant, Plessis......(enter more dire players here)

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 23/05/2008 15:49
Man United after Downing?

downing going knowhere ,period,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
sounds good that..

rob_fmttm Posted on 23/05/2008 15:51
Man United after Downing?

Hang on... Everton - Tony McMahon.

See I can do it as well. There's no smoke without fire is there even though I just invented it.

Keverson Posted on 23/05/2008 15:53
Man United after Downing?

There's a difference between Liverpool and Man Utd though ...

Man Utd have a serious amount of wealth, and can just about buy whoever they want. Personally, I can't see Downing being very high on their list. Not when they already have Nani/Ronaldo who can play there, as well as Rooney/Tevez who sometimes switch there too.

He's had a great season, I just think that they'd aim their sights a bit higher than Downing.

Not exactly a great comparison but they've been linked with players like Richards, Alves, Benzema, Berbatov. 4 players who would make a great team even greater. I wouldn't classify Downing as that type of player.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 15:54
Man United after Downing?

Keverson, everyone said the same thing about Carrick.

Libbins Posted on 23/05/2008 15:54
Man United after Downing?

I know what you mean mate, I'm just playing along thats all.

[:)]

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 15:55
Man United after Downing?

Kevin_Bacon_Butties, you are a stalker and incapable of rational debate, go away little boy.

fatsuma Posted on 23/05/2008 15:57
Man United after Downing?

Only when Downing has joined a team like United will the ignorant amongst us realise what a good player he really is.

He doesn't catch the eye like Ashley Young (who thinks My Left Foot is a work of fiction!) or Aaron Lennon or even Joe Cole.

But Downing is a quality player, with a wide range of passing, an ability to shoot and score with both feet, and a Beckhamesque precision with his crosses.

He seldom loses possession.

Once he's doing exactly what he does for Boro at a club like Man U, many on here will say "Didn't do that for us! Obviously didn't have his heart in the club!"


He is the best player the club has produced in over 50 years!

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 15:57
Man United after Downing?

I bet people on ere thought pallister was crap before he left for man u

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 15:58
Man United after Downing?

nail hit squarely on the head from Mr fatsuma.

Bandy 20 years ago I was ridiculed by my mouthy mates when I claimed Pally would play for england. Times don't really change do they.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 15:59
Man United after Downing?

Got to agree with that Fatsuma.

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 16:00
Man United after Downing?

Spot on Fatsuma!

fatsuma Posted on 23/05/2008 16:01
Man United after Downing?

Thanks guys.

But less of the formality.

Just call me Stewar....

Ooops!

[:I]

Keverson Posted on 23/05/2008 16:01
Man United after Downing?

I'm surprised you remembered I was a Liverpool fan Libbins [:)]

Fair point about Carrick - maybe if Downing did go there he'd go up a few levels (if he was a regular starter) because Utd's style of play would suit Downing a lot. I just can't see it myself.

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 16:02
Man United after Downing?

He is also a very sound lad.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 23/05/2008 16:04
Man United after Downing?

fatsuma spot on,,the thing with some boro fans is they dont know what they have got till its gone,

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 16:05
Man United after Downing?

see Schwarzer. Were F***** if we dont replace him

fatsuma Posted on 23/05/2008 16:06
Man United after Downing?

Although, to be fair, we pretty much knew what we had with Lee Dong Gook before he left!

We just didn't know which order to put his names!

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 16:09
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"Carrick and HArgreaves are defensively minded players for gods sake, attacking ones always cost more."

What like +£30m Ferdinand, +£35m Buffoon, +16m Bosingwa, +£24m Essien, £18m Cannavaro, +£28m Veron, +£19m Carvalho, £21m Ramos, £23m Pepe, £24m Nesta,

So no, attacking players don't always cost more at all.

"exactly Bandy, he isn't just a kick and run player like Young, although he can do that. Downing can also play cross field balls, come inside and play one-twos, get into shooting positions. He has much more variety than an Ashley Young or Aaron Lennon type winger."

Is this the same Ashley Young with 8 goals and 17 assists this season, compared to Downing's 10 goals and 5 assists?

You know absolutely F*** all about football do you?

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:12
Man United after Downing?

bigrich, it's worse thatn that.

The biggest problem with Boro fans is the ability to find a cloud to every silver lining, and it won't just be any cloud it'll be a huge fooking cumulonimbus. Some of our fellow fans are so routed in darkenss that they can't see any shining light. It amazes me we don't have a higher rate of suicide.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:17
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buttie, you really excell in proving how stupid you are...

Top 12 transfer fees

Rank Player From To Transfer Fees
1 Zinedine Zidane - attacking midfield player
2 Luís Figo attacking midfield player
3 Hernán Crespo striker
4 Gianluigi Buffon Keeper
5 Christian Vieri Striker
6 Andriy Shevchenko striker
7 Pavel Nedvìd Attacking midfielder
8 Wayne Rooney striker
9 Rio Ferdinand Defender
10 Gaizka Mendieta Attacking midfielder
11 Ronaldo striker
12 Juan Sebastián Verón attacking midfielder

so out of the top 12, 10 are attack minded, either scoring or creating goals. What exactly was the point of you randomly listing the handful of expensive defensive players without putting in context i.e. most expensive players are attacking.....and you even got them wrong, when Manure signed Veron he was an attacking/creative midfielder and Essien was alledgedly a box-to-box midfielder.

Hercules Posted on 23/05/2008 16:19
Man United after Downing?

What like +£30m Ferdinand, +£35m Buffoon, +16m Bosingwa, +£24m Essien, £18m Cannavaro, +£28m Veron, +£19m Carvalho, £21m Ramos, £23m Pepe, £24m Nesta,

So no, attacking players don't always cost more at all.

What B*******.

Zidane £45m, Figo £37m, Crespo £30m+, Vieri £30m+, Veron £28m (Yes Veron is an attacking player - "You know absolutely F*** all about football do you?".

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:21
Man United after Downing?

Kevin_Bacon_Butties, go home, your village is missing it's idiot.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 23/05/2008 16:26
Man United after Downing?

boromart ya right i think tsome have this belief that he is S*** cos he is playing for the boro,he cant be any good ,till he leaves that is they wouldnt know a cows arse from a banjo,some of them,,,,and its mainly thoes who frequently visit the riverside ...

uptheboro79 Posted on 23/05/2008 16:32
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"Is this the same Ashley Young with 8 goals and 17 assists this season, compared to Downing's 10 goals and 5 assists?"

Sorry KBB but I dont agree with your point here.
I think that statistic is down to the different ways that the two teams play. Villa tend to get alot of goals from set pieces (taken by Ashly Young) as they have alot of airial ability in their team compared to us, especially in Carew.
Downing is providing crosses to our forwards who are quite poor in the air by comparison.
That statistic only prooves that Villa are alot more clinical than us going forward rather than Ashley Young is a better wide man than Downing IMO.


Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 16:34
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Veron was a midfielder in exactly the same mould as Carrick i.e. holding midfielder, he is predominately defensive minded, he has never ever been an attacking midfielder. Essien was a defensive midfielder at Lyon and Bastia and when Chelsea bought him from Lyon he played as a defensive midfielder too, as well as centre-back and right-back. I like how you ignore the facts about Ashley Young though Boromart, you thick, speculative, know-noting C***.

This is typical of you though Boromart, you did exactly the same with the "wages" issue when you ignored actual facts and present your mis-information and speculation as evidence, yet never have you backed it up. Dopey C***.

So what's the point? Boromart claims that attacking players always cost more then defensive type players yet there's a plethora of evidence to suggest otherwise.

If attacking players always cost more than defensive players then there's no way in hell a goalkeeper and a defender both attracting fees of over £30m would cost more than players like Ronaldinho, Torres and Henry is there? Your point is utter fooking nonsense Boromart as usual.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 16:34
Man United after Downing?

This whole story may well be a load of bollox, but he will leave for a bigger club at some point.
The fact that a lot of people don't rate him is because he is a Boro player.
The press will be W****** over him if he moves.
Let's be honest, the press have been begging for him to leave us for a few years now.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:34
Man United after Downing?

good point about set pieces. How many assists would Downing have got if Tuncay or Ali had finished the easy chances that they missed?

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 16:36
Man United after Downing?

I'd be devastated for the lad if he left for Spurs. His career would go downhill from then on. I'd be pleased for him if he went to Man U cos he'd become even better but I'm a selfish get and I dont want him to move anywhere

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:37
Man United after Downing?

Kevin, the fact you have to resort to schoolboy abuse AGAIN on a messageboard says all we need to know about you. You are mentally too weak to discuss this subject or most subjects in an adult manner.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 16:38
Man United after Downing?

Agree totally Bandy.
I think he is quality, but he is good enough for greater success.
He would move onto another level playing regular CL football.

uptheboro79 Posted on 23/05/2008 16:38
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Downing is a class act. If he played for a top 4 team with quality strikers and midfield men he'd be immense. A quality left back would also allow him to play in a more attacking role and take some of the defensive responsibilties away from him.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:39
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agreed Bandy and JT, I would be gutted if he left for Everton or Spurs, I accept he should be playing chumps league and he would get that chance at Manure or Arse.

I would even be gutted if he went to Liverpoo, they are nowhere near the top clubs.


Hercules Posted on 23/05/2008 16:40
Man United after Downing?

KBB,

Give it up. Even if people accept that Essien and Veron are defensive players there are still 3 times as many attacking players in the top 12 than defensive players.

Can I recommend you don't insult people when you realise they've just proved you worng.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 16:43
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"Sorry KBB but I dont agree with your point here.
I think that statistic is down to the different ways that the two teams play. Villa tend to get alot of goals from set pieces (taken by Ashly Young) as they have alot of airial ability in their team compared to us, especially in Carew.
Downing is providing crosses to our forwards who are quite poor in the air by comparison.
That statistic only prooves that Villa are alot more clinical than us going forward rather than Ashley Young is a better wide man than Downing IMO."

But that post was in response to Boromart's, inaccurate assertion that Ashley Young is simply a "kick and run player" and that "Downing can also play cross field balls, come inside and play one-twos, get into shooting positions." speculating that Young can't, also "He has much more variety than an Ashley Young or Aaron Lennon type winger". Aaron Lennon; yes, Ashley Young, no. Young is by far a more accomplished winger than Downing, who can play both sides and use both feet far more effectively that Downing can.

"good point about set pieces. How many assists would Downing have got if Tuncay or Ali had finished the easy chances that they missed?"

Simple speculation again Boromart which is all you seems to deal in. How many more assists would Young have got if Villa players finished easy chances??? It means F*** all!

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:44
Man United after Downing?

defensive players can tackle -- Veron couldn't tackle his way out of a paper bag, FACT. Veron was creative although not really a heavy goalscorer.

Essien I accept is defensive minded, but both Mourinho and Essien stated when he signed that he was box-to-box and could fullfill attacking and defensive roles.

Hercules Posted on 23/05/2008 16:45
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I think even KBB has realised how wrong he was about the cost of attacking and defensive players.

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 23/05/2008 16:45
Man United after Downing?

Hercules, well said. KBB you make some very good points, but the tone of nearly all your posts is awful, it detracts from the debate.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:46
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"But that post was in response to Boromart's, inaccurate assertion " -- so you don't actually believe in what you posted, you posted something you don't agree with to prove me wrong.....my you are a clever boy. Your like Houdini tying yourself up in knots.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:50
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KBB, I have my opinion it isn't wrong, because it's my opinion. You seem incapable of handling that.

Most people here seem to be able to take it as that, and many seem to agree. You unilaterly seem to think you know better than me, good luck with that. I'm not entirely sure that a message board is the best place for a 'character' of your 'intelligence', 'tolerance' and 'disposition'. You should get a new hobby, preferably one that suits your personality and lack of social etiquette. Maybe potato collecting, or slug spotting?

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 16:50
Man United after Downing?

What I have seen of Nani this season, he has failed to impress me.
I know that is an unfair judgement because Ronaldo didn't exactly set the PL alight in his first season.
I just have my doubts about Nani.
Lets put it this way, I would rather have Downing than Nani at the boro.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 23/05/2008 16:51
Man United after Downing?

Downing is currently priceless.
i think the current team is just about good enough to finish outside of the relegation places. take Downing away and we will be relegated.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 16:52
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"Kevin, the fact you have to resort to schoolboy abuse AGAIN on a messageboard says all we need to know about you. You are mentally too weak to discuss this subject or most subjects in an adult manner."

Hahaha! Says the simpleton who's arguments simply consist of speculation and mis-information and thinks that he too can insult people?

"Give it up. Even if people accept that Essien and Veron are defensive players there are still 3 times as many attacking players in the top 12 than defensive players.

Can I recommend you don't insult people when you realise they've just proved you worng."

Proved wrong??? Boromart said that attacking players always cost more than defensive players this isn't true at all, is it? I've clearly shown that when stating Rio cost more than Torres.

"defensive players can tackle -- Veron couldn't tackle his way out of a paper bag, FACT. Veron was creative although not really a heavy goalscorer."

Veron was a holding midfielder, always has been, you need to accept that fact instesd of relying on your simple speculation yet again.

"Essien I accept is defensive minded, but both Mourinho and Essien stated when he signed that he was box-to-box and could fullfill attacking and defensive roles."

No they didn't, it's simply you making things up to suit your argument yet again.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 16:52
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We most certainly would have been this season without him Sherrif.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 16:53
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I agree with both of JT and sherriff 100%, Nani could come good, but people seem to think Portuguese, teenager, ManUtd....he IS the new Ronaldo. It doesn't work like that because you have to take each player on their own merits. Nani is physically much smaller, and slower than Ronaldo when he arrived.


Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 16:54
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"I think even KBB has realised how wrong he was about the cost of attacking and defensive players."

Do attacking players always cost more than defensive players; yes or no?

Dr_Evil Posted on 23/05/2008 16:54
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Essien certainly isnt just a holding midfielder though.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 16:56
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""But that post was in response to Boromart's, inaccurate assertion " -- so you don't actually believe in what you posted, you posted something you don't agree with to prove me wrong.....my you are a clever boy. Your like Houdini tying yourself up in knots."

Are you stupid or something? You made a comment about Ashley Young which was downright wrong, I commented on it with what I believe to be correct. What exactly are you talking about?

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 16:57
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"Essien certainly isnt just a holding midfielder though."

You're right he isn't, he plays CB and RB too and is predominantly a DM.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 17:04
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"KBB, I have my opinion it isn't wrong, because it's my opinion. You seem incapable of handling that."

But you don't present your comments as opinions, you present them as facts.

You made claims as to how much the Pompey players were earning yet could never back it up. When I confronted you and said you can't speculate about those things, you continued to get agitated stating that your comments were correct, it's the same here. You claim that attacking players always cost more than defensive players yet it simply isn't true. You claim that Ashley Young is a "kick and run" player, doesn't have the variety Downing does; or the control; or range of passing, which is yet again untrue. Your posts are simple speculation and untruths with little or no substance at all.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 23/05/2008 17:05
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If Manure came in we would have to let him go.

It has to be every boys dream to play for the best team in the country.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 17:05
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"Proved wrong??? Boromart said that attacking players always cost more than defensive players this isn't true at all, is it? I've clearly shown that when stating Rio cost more than Torres."
You are interpretting my statement like a computer would interpret it. It is plainly obvious that EVERY attacking players DOES NOT cost more than every defensive player. But it is equally obvious that that wasn't what I was saying.

"Veron was a holding midfielder, always has been, you need to accept that fact instesd of relying on your simple speculation yet again." -- No you are speculating, and not one person or bit of evidence has been put forward in your defence.

BM: "Essien I accept is defensive minded, but both Mourinho and Essien stated when he signed that he was box-to-box and could fullfill attacking and defensive roles."

KBB: "No they didn't, it's simply you making things up to suit your argument yet again."
So because you haven't seen it with your own eyes it didn't happen? OK so it is pure speculation that I had a coffee 5 minutes ago. Only I know it's true.

"You made a comment about Ashley Young which was downright wrong" -- no it was my opinion, so how is my opinion wrong? because you say so, that would make you Mr arrogant, as well as Mr Angry and Mr Stupid. My you do have a multiple personality disorder don't you.

May I suggest you go have your Grande Latte Enema before you have an aneurysm. You need to chll out and take a look at what your typing. your embaressing yourself.

Keverson Posted on 23/05/2008 17:05
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"You're right he isn't, he plays CB and RB too and is predominantly a DM"

He's not predominantly a defensive midfielder, his best position is as a central midfielder who likes to get forward like Gerrard/Vieira do.

Essien isn't a defensive midfielder, he's just a victim of his versatility in that he never seems to play in his preferred position as he'll put in a decent job wherever he's put.

Bandy Posted on 23/05/2008 17:07
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apart from at right back when facing ronaldo

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 17:23
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"He's not predominantly a defensive midfielder, his best position is as a central midfielder who likes to get forward like Gerrard/Vieira do."

Yes he is though. He played DM for Bastia, Lyon and now Chelsea, granted he fulfills other positions, (as does Downing but he's still regarded as a left-winger) but he is a defensive midfielder.

re: Boromart, I really cannot be bothered anymore with you desperately trying to avoid the points I've made and questions asked. Your speculation is outrageous and it's not the first time your arguments are simply unsubstantiated nonsense, I will however quote this:

"May I suggest you go have your Grande Latte Enema before you have an aneurysm. You need to chll out and take a look at what your typing. your embaressing yourself."

I'll do that when you get an education and stop presenting your opinions as facts.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 17:33
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"If Manure came in we would have to let him go."

If Downing wanted to go then I could see him going, I don't think we could fight to keep him. I reckon they'd control the transfer fee issues and wouldn't budge from their valuation of him regardless of how much he's worth to Boro.

OxonBoro Posted on 23/05/2008 17:34
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"No he hasn't. He's no where near as good a player as Carrick is,"


Are you smoking crack ?

Bukowski Posted on 23/05/2008 17:34
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Swayze thinks Carrick is a far better player than Downing and would sell our most important player by a mile for £13 million. Says it all really.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 17:36
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Get over yourself buttyboy, several people on here have put forward the opinion that to class essien as purely a defensive midfielder is wrong as he has attacking talents. But of course butty is always right, and no one elses opinion counts. You must be a real snore-bore at the pub.

I haven't avoided any questions. you need to be a bit more introspective in life, you, rather than stick to the original point, have just gone from school ground insults, to hissy fits, to feet stamping, to lecturing.

You claim I haven't substantiated anything, neither have you. Not one fact, not one bit of evidence. Your speculation is beyond reproach.

education - thanks already have one, BSc Hons, never failed an exam in my life, and I've donea lot, studying for my MBA, job senior management. You however have one O level in Village Idiotry and pick potatoes for a living.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 17:37
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"I reckon they'd control the transfer fee issues and wouldn't budge from their valuation of him regardless of how much he's worth to Boro." -- evidence please, thes is complete speculation, yet your presenting it as fact. You C***, you know fook all about football.

flute_loop Posted on 23/05/2008 17:39
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Don't know if this has already been mentioned, but would Downing fit into Man Utd team the way they play now? I think not. they would have to go back to 442 and get another Cole/Yorke/Van Nistlerooy type forward in to make the most of Downings ability, just like they did with Beckham.

Bukowski Posted on 23/05/2008 17:42
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Boro don't need to sell Downing and won't. If we sold him this summer we'd be absolutely fcked.

In fact, he's virtually irreplaceable if you consider the qualities he has and the fact that he's a local boy with a love for the club.

The fans would rightly be in uproar if Downing was allowed to leave this summer. It would be a statement of our lack of ambition.

Not only that but, without his goals and creativity, we'd probably go down.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 17:42
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true flute_lupe.

Personally I always thought he would fit in better with Arsenal, he is great at one-touch, has good mevement a burst of pace and the vision needed to play for them.

If he was born on the banks of the river Seine then Wenger would alread have signed him up, IMHO (just to help TVI recognise that this is opinion and not fact!).

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 17:46
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Do you honestly think Downing is a better player than Carrick?! Seriously have a fooking word with yourself and take your rose-tinted specs off for a minute! Fair enough Carrick isn't world-class but he has been absolutely immense for ManU and was at Spurs the season before he left.

Downing's a decent winger for a mid-table side who rightly so get applause from the fans of Boro but he is no where near the accomplished talent that Carrick is.

Downing may well be important to Boro but what's he worth to a club like Man U? Do you think he'd be as important to them? Do you think Man U would pay the £20m that some have thrown around on here?

I'd consider Downing to be in the same category as David Bentley; they're both wingers who's games are quite similar and both are important to their respective clubs. I wouldn't want Downing to leave Boro but if he wanted to go and a club like Man U offered £13m I'd say that was a fair price. Especially considering the massive amounts of disdain he receives from he press, who let's be honest certainly can influence a player's value (SWP, Rooney)

BillBones Posted on 23/05/2008 17:47
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Just read this thread and the arguments between boromart and Kevin_Bacon_Butties and what has come out of it is that boromart knows what he's talking about and Kevin_Bacon-Butties is an absolute F***ing retard.

Bukowski Posted on 23/05/2008 17:51
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Kevin_Bacon_Butties - You'll find most Boro supporters who've seen Downing play week in week out this season rate Downing VERY highly. Even when he goes through a bad patch, he remains hugely influential.

And regardless of whether or not you think Carrick is better, Downing is far more important to us than Carrick ever was to Spurs. So a much higher fee would be needed.

I wouldn't sell Downing at any price and I'm sure those at the club feel the same.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 17:51
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Boromart go back to claiming you know how much players earn p.w. and get upset when people turn around and say that you don't. Go back to being a shameless hypocrite speculating about what people have said and haven't said as well as deliberately presenting lies and untruths as facts to suit your argument, you window-licking, know-nothing head-the-ball.

OxonBoro Posted on 23/05/2008 17:52
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Bentley is better than carrick aswell

the accomplished talent that Carrick is.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 18:01
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"Just read this thread and the arguments between boromart and Kevin_Bacon_Butties and what has come out of it is that boromart knows what he's talking about and Kevin_Bacon-Butties is an absolute F***ing retard."

HERE COMES THE CAVALRY!

Boromart knows F*** all. This is a person who actively claimed to know what wages Pompey players were on and spat his dummy out when I stated that he didn't. A person that claims attacking players always cost more than defensive players despite evidence on the contrary.


"You'll find most Boro supporters who've seen Downing play week in week out this season rate Downing VERY highly. Even when he goes through a bad patch, he remains hugely influential.

And regardless of whether or not you think Carrick is better, Downing is far more important to us than Carrick ever was to Spurs. So a much higher fee would be needed.

I wouldn't sell Downing at any price and I'm sure those at the club feel the same."

I too rate Downing high, he's a good player at Boro and I wouldn't want to sell him

"Downing is far more important to us than Carrick ever was to Spurs. So a much higher fee would be needed."

But it doesn't work like that though does it? Carrick was playing for a side that was 4th for a big part of that season and came 5th on the last day, he was a massive part of a Spurs side and they still haven't replaced him despite receiving a large fee for him. Downing is more important to us than say Xabi Alonso is to Liverpool but there's no way Downing could attract a fee that Alonso could.


BillBones Posted on 23/05/2008 18:03
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HERE COMES THE CALVARY (sic)!

I don't know either of you. You showed yourself up when talking about tranfers fees of attacking and defending players like.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 18:06
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"Bentley is better than carrick aswell

the accomplished talent that Carrick is. "

Go ask Fergie and Scholes and Man U fans what they think of Carrick. Like it or not Carrick has played massive part in Man U's recently revival which has seen them collect 2 PL titles and a CL.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 18:12
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Scrote? Have you resurrected yourself as BillBones?

"You showed yourself up when talking about tranfers fees of attacking and defending players like."

Really? I don't recall claiming that attacking players always cost more than defensive players.

OxonBoro Posted on 23/05/2008 18:13
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i dont need to ask anyone anything

nicky butt won titles with utd too if he must be awesome too musnt he

BillBones Posted on 23/05/2008 18:16
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But you take things ridiculously out of context. If people actually thought that, then Rio Ferdinand £30m, Andy Campbell £1m would severely confuse them.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 23/05/2008 18:20
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Only alphabetically.

BillBones Posted on 23/05/2008 18:22
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I'd like to know how Carrick ran around the Moscow pitch on Wednesday night with the hindrance of having Kevin_Bacon_Butties up his arse.

inoffthepost Posted on 23/05/2008 18:33
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Spoke with someone very close to him this afternoon,never mentioned him moving anywhere.Did mention that he was on his way to his second training session of the day.

Scrote Posted on 23/05/2008 18:35
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KBB - "Scrote? Have you resurrected yourself as BillBones?"

you are obsessed you fookin' nutjob

and no - i haven't needed to change my user-name as i've never been banned - unlike one abusive stalker i can think of

i've also had to quote your post 'cos theres a 98.3% chance you'll go back and edit it when you realise how stupid you look as you've done in every argument you've had in the past that people have shown you up in

TVI indeed

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 18:36
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"i dont need to ask anyone anything

nicky butt won titles with utd too if he must be awesome too musnt he"

That's not what I'm saying at all is it? That said though Nicky Butt was a decent midfielder who unfortunately was restricted due to the Keane/Scholes partnership. I never claimed Carrick was a decent player solely because he's won accolades, he's a good player because that is what he is and a better one than Downing, If he was S*** then I doubt Fergie would continue to pick him or have even bought him. I Fergie and Scholes and Man U fans would state the influence and talent he possess and his importance to Man U. Go to Google and search it.

"But you take things ridiculously out of context. If people actually thought that, then Rio Ferdinand £30m, Andy Campbell £1m would severely confuse them"

So what is Boroamrt getting at then? Is he saying that because Hargreaves and Carrick are defensive style players and Downing an attacking player he should therefore command a fee greater than the ~£18m paid for each of these? It's fooking ludicrous to make such a suggestion just as much as it is to make such a claim regarding the transfer fees of defensive and attacking players and expect to be taken seriously.

"I'd like to know how Carrick ran around the Moscow pitch on Wednesday night with the hindrance of having Kevin_Bacon_Butties up his arse."

As oppose to you and the rose-spec wearing brigade up Downing's anus 24/7?

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 18:43
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Calm down God-botherer FFS! Still it's interesting that you claim I'm obsessed yet here you are, with F*** all to do with the original topic, over 100 posts in with your usual inane nonsense directed at me. You worthless, shameless, F***ing hypocrite. I'm far from surprised you defend all The Church's sordid escapades, you pond-life.


Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 18:49
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so it's not just me that recognises that this guy is clearly insane. I'm all for care in the community, but giving them free computers and internet access is asking for trouble.

"This is a person who actively claimed to know what wages Pompey players were on and spat his dummy out when I stated that he didn't." -- prove it, it's entirely speculation on your behalf. Put up or shut up (as if! Last Word Larry will be back with another pearl soon).

KBB what the F*** has Scrotes religion got to do with anything, you loon.

Scrote Posted on 23/05/2008 18:52
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KBB - "Still it's interesting that you claim I'm obsessed yet here you are, with F*** all to do with the original topic, over 100 posts in with your usual inane nonsense directed at me."

erm - i've just got in from work and was reading a fairly interesting thread when i saw that someone had made an accusation against me

i wasn't going to post wrt the topic as i had nothing to add to it but i will post to defend myself from "Outrageous speculation"

and if i'm such a "worthless, shameless, F***ing hypocrite" don't you think it a bit unfair on billbones to be making people connect him with me?

OxonBoro Posted on 23/05/2008 18:55
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How come carrick cant get in the england squad then when theres S*** loads of central midfielders there ?

capello obviously doesnt agree with your amazing footy wisdom

and ps nicky butt is poo.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 18:56
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Scrote don't expect an answer from him for at least 20 mins, he has to dig up the thread where he has misquoted me.

BillBones Posted on 23/05/2008 18:56
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He rather hilariously told me to 'Wind your neck back in, good boy' on another thread. I thought I'd landed in one of those Guy Ritchie films...

Holgateoldskool Posted on 23/05/2008 18:57
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Meanwhile back to the subject matter! If this happened - Downing to Man U - it would be one of the biggest sickeners to happen at MFC for a very very long time.

Top scorer,top assist player you would need 2 top quality replacements for the job Stewy does - this would be highly unlikely to happen.

He is THAT important to us.The negative effect on the team, club and supporters would take quite a while to get over.

That is the single most important issue.

Right, lads - get yer handbags out again!!!!!!!!!

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 18:58
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Sly C***! You know fine well we had a confrontation and you stated speculating about Pompey player's wages using laughable quotes like: "they must be on high wages because they came from a big club". Point me in the direction of the search function and I'll find the thread for you.

"...Last Word Larry will be back with another pearl soon)."

That's rich coming from you considering. Dopey F***ing imbecile.

"KBB what the F*** has Scrotes religion got to dow ith anything, you loon."

That's between me and him, not you. Now F*** off, retard.

Scrote Posted on 23/05/2008 19:01
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KBB - " "KBB what the F*** has Scrotes religion got to dow ith anything, you loon."

That's between me and him..."

oh dear - he thinks hes God now [:O]

[:D]

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 19:01
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FFS chill out boys.

Booting off and name calling just makes you look like a tool.

I did it the other night after the CL final by upsetting our resident gooner.
I thought I was being clever but was just a dick.
At least I had a sort of excuse, I had 14 cans in me.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:03
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"erm - i've just got in from work and was reading a fairly interesting thread when i saw that someone had made an accusation against me"

Any old excuse!

"i wasn't going to post wrt the topic as i had nothing to add to it but i will post to defend myself from "Outrageous speculation"

and if i'm such a "worthless, shameless, F***ing hypocrite" don't you think it a bit unfair on billbones to be making people connect him with me?"

BillBones was displaying sly tactics that you seemingly enjoy, I thought that you were posting under a new name. That is all.

Scrote Posted on 23/05/2008 19:04
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and on topic

i personally think downing is a player we have to hold on to with as much force as possible - as such i can't see the club allowing him to speak 'officially' to third parties unless a bid of 20mil+ is put on the table

i'd also expect that to rise if there are any more rumblings of limits to foreign player numbers - especially if arsenal come sniffing around

downing was immense last season - with alves settling in to lose him now would be disastrous without having the funds to replace him

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:05
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"Scrote don't expect an answer from him for at least 20 mins, he has to dig up the thread where he has misquoted me."

You mean the thread were you claimed to know what wages the Pompey players were on and acted like a spoilt toddler when I laughed at you? Yeah, I though as much.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 19:06
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I really hope this is bollox, which it probably is.
Losing Downing would hurt us in more ways than just on the pitch.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:06
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"Top scorer,top assist player you would need 2 top quality replacements for the job Stewy does"

Or another left-winger.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 23/05/2008 19:07
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Kevin - how old are you?????????

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 19:07
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it's a public messageboard, so no it isn't between you and him. I've discussed reigion with scrote before, and on that subject I think he is intelligent, articulate, interesting and wrong in absolutely every way....but I respect his opinion. You should try that sometime.

"quotes like" -- thats your evidance? No, thats called "speculation", I thought you didn't agree with speculation? You are very hypocritcal aren't you!

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:09
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"I really hope this is bollox, which it probably is.
Losing Downing would hurt us in more ways than just on the pitch."

In what way?

BillBones Posted on 23/05/2008 19:12
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'BillBones was displaying sly tactics that you seemingly enjoy'

I must remember to stop posting my thoughts under a username I've used for five years. Sly as a fox me you know.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 19:12
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He is boro's golden boy.
It would probably cost us in attendance figures if he left.
I am sure I also read somewhere that his name is the biggest seller on the shirts.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 19:13
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Kevin you must be playing it up, I've never met anyone in the real world this stupid. You must be hamming it up.

"You mean the thread were you claimed to know what wages the Pompey players were on" -- if thats what I did prove it.

"and acted like a spoilt toddler " -- I suggest you re-read your 'contribution' to this thread before throwing such aspersions at others.

Back on topic. I really, really hope it's bullS***. Losing downing would be worse than losing both Viduka and Yakubu last year.

bblf Posted on 23/05/2008 19:16
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We have one of the finest left side players in the country in Downing. Why would we a) Let him go.
........................b)Even consider a figure.

We need to recruit players to go alongside him not sell him.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:17
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"it's a public messageboard, so no it isn't between you and him"

Erm... actually it is. It doesn't concern you nor am I answerable to you when I make a comment directed at another member. Keep your nose out, F*** off, you uneducated retard!

"...but I respect his opinion. You should try that sometime."

So should you.

I don't respect his opinion and why would I have if I disagree with it? I do respect his right to HAVE an opinion though.

Like I said; show me the search function and I'll find the posts where you made your usual, laughable speculative remarks that you dress up as facts.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:20
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"He is boro's golden boy.
It would probably cost us in attendance figures if he left.
I am sure I also read somewhere that his name is the biggest seller on the shirts."

Suppose so, although I reckon Wheater is the new Boro poster boy.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 23/05/2008 19:20
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What a horrible thought.
Wheater hanging on the bedroom wall.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 19:26
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"Erm... actually it is. It doesn't concern you nor am I answerable to you when I make a comment directed at another member. Keep your nose out, F*** off, you uneducated retard!"
Have I ever seen so much hypocricy in just one paragraph?

1) My earlier posts were not directed at you, but you chose to attack them. As you have with others on this thread

2) uneducated -- looking at your debating skills and constant swearing then I think its quite clear that YOUR education is somewhat lacking

3) Retard -- I'm not the only one who thinks you are not altogether mentally aware.

so lets get this straight, 3 hypocritical comments in 31 words. that gives you a 1:10 hypocracy/word ratio.

Considering the average hypocritical comment is at least 5 words long then that means that 50% of the words you utter are hypocritical.

BUT Because you need to have uttered something previously for it to contradict with, then that accounts for the other 50% of words.

In conclusion everything you say is contradictory, hypocritical bluster, i.e. you talk utter rubbish.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 19:31
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KBB said: "I reckon they'd (Manutd) control the transfer fee issues and wouldn't budge from their valuation of him (Downing) regardless of how much he's worth to Boro." -- evidence please, this is complete speculation, yet your presenting it as fact. You C***, you know fook all about football.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:31
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My post was directed at Scrote, I mentioned him by name. Your post wasn't directed at anyone. Do you see the difference? Can you? Have another look, and whilst you're looking go find the definition of "hypocritical" and "contradiction" and learn the difference, good boy.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 19:36
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"Your post wasn't directed at anyone."
It wasn't directed at you, and since I am obviously certain that your an idiot I didn't really want you to answer it. any response from you would be irrelevant and stupid.

"the definition of "hypocritical" and "contradiction"" -- please explain where my use of these two words breaks there meaning oh 'grammatically correct' one?

and while your at it comment on this instead of ignoring it....

KBB said: "I reckon they'd (Manutd) control the transfer fee issues and wouldn't budge from their valuation of him (Downing) regardless of how much he's worth to Boro." -- evidence please, this is complete speculation, yet your presenting it as fact. You C***, you know fook all about football.

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:37
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Do you understand the word "reckon"? No, of course you don't, silly me.

I wonder how long it'll be before you start spamming again, you uneducated retard.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 19:39
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"Do you understand the word "reckon"? "

I suggest you go back to thread you misquoted me from and READ it properly! My comments were prefaced with suppositions....and by the way its not my job to hunt down threads for you, do it yourself...I'm just amazed a cyberstalker like you hasn't got it bookmarked.

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 19:42
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come on then comment...

KBB said: "I reckon they'd (Manutd) control the transfer fee issues and wouldn't budge from their valuation of him (Downing) regardless of how much he's worth to Boro." -- evidence please, this is complete speculation, yet your presenting it as fact. You C***, you know fook all about football.

HYPOCRITE

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:43
Man United after Downing?

Are you going to start spamming again like you did before when you didn't get your own way?

Boromart Posted on 23/05/2008 19:45
Man United after Downing?

I 'spammed' before because you refused to answer simple questions, if I asked enought imes, eventually you might respond, but no you didn't you just spat your dummy out.

Your never gonna give up you are a loon, you are unwell, and an utter utter tedious idiot. I' usually tolerant, but you've bored me beyond despair. Have a good night spitting feathers at the screen, I shall not return for last word larrys final rant!

Kevin_Bacon_Butties Posted on 23/05/2008 19:50
Man United after Downing?

Like I said; do you understand the word "reckon"?

Yes or no?