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gateman Posted on 22/04/2008 08:37
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Why don't the club fill the east stand first with cheap season ticket offers so the cameras always see a 'full ground' and put the away fans at the bottom or corner of the West Stand so the spaces are never seen!

ccole Posted on 22/04/2008 08:59
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I have some clout in the club.

I will call them now and ask them to put perhaps a new family enclosure there for next season offering cheap tickets to fill those seats for you.

Sleaford Posted on 22/04/2008 09:01
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Can you also tell them, if they offer to fix the price of season tickets for three years and put a plaque on my seat I'd be very interested in signing up.

djlocky9999 Posted on 22/04/2008 09:04
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maybe they could do some incentive for 18-21 year olds in the corners.

fatknackerlardarse Posted on 22/04/2008 09:05
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Could you also tell them to throw every F***** out of their seats in the South Stand and sell them to away fans.

Thats good enough reason to get people to renew.

ccole Posted on 22/04/2008 09:08
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I will do my best.

Are all the under 16's happy or is there anything I could suggest for you lot?

gateman Posted on 22/04/2008 09:11
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Or alternatively move the main cameras to the East Stand so that it faces the West Stand giving a better perspective of the stadium in general

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 09:16
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The answers quite simple ..its staring you in the face ..every other club knows the answer...




you have part time supporters and part time players...both sets only turn up for the big games.

MARV Posted on 22/04/2008 09:19
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Can't say fairer than that really.

Sleaford Posted on 22/04/2008 09:21
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Jim, you are without a doubt the worst fúcktard we get posting on here, and I include Blackandwhite dreams and Lisbonlegend in that statement.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 09:22
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I realise that my statment may make you feel a little annoyed ..but there is no denying the truth..its obvious , why deny it?..dont castigate the messenger

woodymfc Posted on 22/04/2008 09:27
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Can't disagree with what your are saying Salford, some people on here are ultra sensitive

ccole Posted on 22/04/2008 09:27
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I would have to say that the man from Chatsworth has a point.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 09:29
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merci!

gateman Posted on 22/04/2008 09:32
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There are other clubs in the Premiership who do not fill their grounds but the perspective is not there as it is at our ground on MOTD. We were mentioned for this very fact on Figthing Talk this week along with Bolton. Other clubs protect their image better than we do.

woodymfc Posted on 22/04/2008 09:32
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How would you suggest we solve the problem Jim?

ccole has connections in the club and can pass on your tips

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 22/04/2008 09:39
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"Part time players"

Like that one.

atomicloonybin Posted on 22/04/2008 09:46
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Dunno, Blackburn's looks pretty bad as well. They always have trouble filling the stand to the right of the cameras.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 09:51
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Blackburn are another club that only turn up for the big games ..normally against United

skiprat Posted on 22/04/2008 09:52
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"you have part time supporters and part time players...both sets only turn up for the big games."

And yet our biggest crowd in recent seasons and biggest crowd at The Riverside was against Norwich.

Boroboi_Dave Posted on 22/04/2008 09:53
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Blackburn have 3 orite stands and then have the cameras facing the little shed they have, i don't understand y meself

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 09:56
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"And yet our biggest crowd in recent seasons and biggest crowd at The Riverside was against Norwich".... so are you saying that you didnt have a capacity crowd against United last week?

Shaun71 Posted on 22/04/2008 09:58
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We didnt no Jim. 1000 more came to watch Norwich. Sorry about that

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 22/04/2008 09:58
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Gateman had the simplest solution. Move the camera gantry to the east stand, thus showing a full west stand all the time. Then no one at home knows the rest of the ground is empty.

I never understood why they didn't do this from the start to show off the best stand.

Boroboi_Dave Posted on 22/04/2008 09:59
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where would they put cameras in the east stand like?

ccole Posted on 22/04/2008 09:59
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I dont think we did.

It was only United. You couldn't pull 18,000 last time you came here in the cup. Dont be supprised, you are not that big of a pull these days.

skiprat Posted on 22/04/2008 10:01
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And that was without a few thosuand local Man U fans popping up to swell the crowd as well.

"Hartlepool Reds"

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 10:03
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Ok , thats good to know ..so you wont mind passing on the tickets that arent sold to boro fans to the travelling united fans then?...thats if you are still in the PL next season

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 22/04/2008 10:06
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We'd obviously have to build a new TV gantry. It would cost a few bob but would save us from being the laughing stock.

gateman Posted on 22/04/2008 10:08
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If they can show MOTD at Harrogate Railway they can create some space at the back of the East Stand.

woodymfc Posted on 22/04/2008 10:08
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We will be there in the PL next season, ready to murder the top four again

ccole Posted on 22/04/2008 10:09
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I am OK with that. Lets hope its a 3pm kick off. Those early trains out of KINGS X can be a nightmare.

PoetLaureate Posted on 22/04/2008 10:17
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Move the camera's that is what West ham did.

You_Drive_Me_Swayze Posted on 22/04/2008 11:57
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They should fill the empty seats with blow-up dolls with chuffing great erections and bazooka tits on the last home game. Let's see the cameras do their work then.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 22/04/2008 12:02
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I actually think SalfordJim is a great contributor to this site,

His little talks on attendances are meant to be seen as ironic as he was kind enough to share with us on one of his many visits that he lives within a few miles of Trafford but doesn't go to games.

Funny guy.

On the question theres a lot of reasons the ground isn't full, I think its going to be interesting to see how all the premiership clubs cope if the credit crunch puts people off renewing.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 12:19
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so are you trying to say its the fault of americans not paying their mortgages that you dont bother going to the games? (unless youre playng united of course)...ermm what about last season and the season before , and the season before ...and the season beofre...etc etc..

standards Posted on 22/04/2008 12:36
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the tv people wanted us to sing a song for Man Utd, they offered me a fiver to get the chant started, it was

"your so good its unbelievable"

didnt take the fiver, prefer going to games against Derby and the like, bit more real.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 12:38
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and you get 8 seats all to yourself

standards Posted on 22/04/2008 12:39
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suits me fine, i am there to watch a match at a decent price pal, not the crowd.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 12:45
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considering the standard your team plays ( apart from thier cup final efforts against Uniteed of course) ..then perhaps yu should try a non league club for a fiver ..if price is your only consideration

TheSmogMonster Posted on 22/04/2008 12:50
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Are you really that thick Jim? You couldn't be.

I didn't say anything like that and you come out with that, what a classic.

Looks like you've lost another debate.

[:D]

standards Posted on 22/04/2008 12:51
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no thanks, i just continue to ignore all the football on the tele involving you, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal, and watch Boro v anyone except you, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal. I was brought up to shout for all British teams in Europe back in the 70s and 80s, and I would always shout for them, now I wont even check teletext.
Up the Boro. Everything you lot achieve is now hollow.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 13:04
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you are quite correct in some aspects...I do live in M20 ..and from new yrs day 1977 (my first visit to OT) trhough the adolesence of the 1980's ..and working at OT from 1994-1999...and my eventual decline in attendnace from 2002, due to the first of our 2 kids..I cant afford the £700 ST plus the £300 ACS, plus the ancillaries of say beer , food at £ 500PA..that adds upto over £3k pa gross.....for a working fella with kids I can only manage 5-6 games a season when friends pass on a ticket....it would be quite easy to lie on a message board as many many do...

however for you to suggest that the riverside is rarely full because of cost comapred to the availabilty of tickets is bizzare....

Snoop_Smog Posted on 22/04/2008 13:22
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Do you not think these financial implications for attending matches applies to us? Middlesbrough is one of the most deprived areas in the country.

The difference is that we don't have hordes of japanese tourists or the spineless glory supporters who are desperate to associate themselves with anything successfull to fill in the numbers.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 13:26
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"The difference is that we don't have hordes of japanese tourists or the spineless glory supporters who are desperate to associate themselves with anything successfull to fill in the numbers."



I direct you to the post on this site which highlights the number of boro supporters from outside of your area..ermmm


as for united fans being "spinelss glory hunters" ..were these the same fans that filled the ground for the 26yrs without winning the league a..and packed OT when wwe wnet down to the second divison..the facts dont support your SoccerAM myths


susy Posted on 22/04/2008 13:29
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ccole can you see if the club will reduce the childrens prices to less than £100 per ST and maybe do something similar for the over 65's too.

That way we can have loads of pushing and shoving and foul language and people talking shoite all around the ground to cheer us up every match day.... we will all renew the following season too.

Snoop_Smog Posted on 22/04/2008 13:33
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We've been here before Jim, I'm not talking about football in the 70's or the 80's we both know it's a totally different game today, stick to the point please.

Your point was that you can't afford to watch your team, my reply was that a lot of people in this area are in the same boat. If you can't accept these blatant facts by all means continue harping on about your 30% of manu season ticket holders come from manchester stats again.


mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 13:33
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Salford_jim - hang on, so you don;t even go to games yet feel the need to take the P*** about another club's attendances?


SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 13:37
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..read what I posted..in summary ..younger..money went for 25+ yrs...now skint cant go , apart 5-6 games a season...although I could lie ...like some


the riverside is always full with a waiting list of 1 million ..and you all go everyweek home and away without fail....see its easy ...

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 13:44
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P*** poor son, P*** poor.

Glass houses and all that.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 22/04/2008 13:48
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"the riverside is always full with a waiting list of 1 million ..and you all go everyweek home and away without fail....see its easy ..."

Who has said that though? No body? In fact the thread was on the topic of how bad the attendances look.

You stumble in, have a go, but you don't go to games yourself.

Just a hypocrite.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 13:52
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and of course ..you havent missed a game in decades ..every home and away...ermmm... for the record I went every home and most aways from the age of 14 through to 28 ...and that includes cra+ teams that sexton put out...so some would say I have paid my dues...but as I say I could follow your lead and LIE

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 13:54
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"for the record I went every home and most aways from the age of 14 through to 28"

Dullard

Snoop_Smog Posted on 22/04/2008 13:59
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So you're a part-timer Jim, but at least you're an honest one eh?

Does paying your dues allow you to come on an other teams forum acting all high and mighty with your 6 games a year attendance?

I don't attend as much as I used to but i wouldn't dream of criticising any other teams support, absolutely reaks of hypocracy.

captain5 Posted on 22/04/2008 14:06
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Some of our fans will have watched Manu live more than him in the past few games, with Cup games.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 14:12
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and does it make you feel part of the ABU nation calling united fans "spinless gloryhunters"..when

1) united fans have h supported their tean through thick and thin for 46 of the last 50seasons by having the highest attendances..even when relegated and 26 yrs without winning the league

2) and the hypocrisy of boro/bolton/bburn/birm/ fans who dont support their team unless United are in town ..and then its "boro till I die" etc...

captain5 Posted on 22/04/2008 14:15
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Who's part of the ABU nation??

A lot of people on here think you deserve to win the title.

Check out your first contribution to this thread and then stop wondering why other fans think you're a bunch of C****y T***s.

Most people on here are not part time fans, that's why they bother spending so much time on here.

Sure we get more fans for the 'bigger' games. Who doesn't??

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 14:16
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"46 of the last 50 seasons by having the highest attendances"

What happened with the other 4 then? Too expensive?

Our record attendance? Against City

Our highest crowd this season? Against Newcastle.

Talking out your arse sunshine.

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 14:20
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Anyway - thick and thin?

Oh do fook off, being relegated once in the past 50 years is hardly having it hard.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 14:20
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Check out your first contribution to this thread and then stop wondering why other fans think you're a bunch of C****y T***s.



and that bothers me why?..

Most people on here are not part time fans, that's why they bother spending so much time on here.


and yet you dont see the irony of having a thread about OOTers ..from chorley/london/cork/heaton mersey/cumbria..and yet castigate United fans?

Sure we get more fans for the 'bigger' games. Who doesn't...so you admit that there is merit in the song .."youve only come to see United"..

What happened with the other 4 then? Too expensive


Ground development...




Dibzzz Posted on 22/04/2008 14:23
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We're only on MOTD for 30 seconds, so who cares?

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 14:25
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so you admit that there is merit in the song .."youve only come to see United"

Not me guv. As I've already pointed out you're not the biggest draw in our parts.

Ground development? - not all 4 it wasn't.

captain5 Posted on 22/04/2008 14:26
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The difference with our out of towners is that unlike yourselves and your very similar friends down the road at Liverpool is that they started out as out of towners.

Yours are glory fans as simple as that. To suggest otherwise is crazy.

To say 'you've only come to see United' is daft. We've come to see us play against United and hopefully give them a good game. I don't understand why that is a bad thing. At least our club don't make us buy tickets against 'inferior' clubs in cup competitions.

I don't think any fan on here is that envious of any of the top clubs because what you have is pretty hollow and shallow. Unfortunately you're that far removed from real football these days that you just can't see it.

streetwise Posted on 22/04/2008 14:26
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Ccole - could you also tell Boro that there are plenty of know nothing prats talking inane rubbish on this site, that if ever ground sweepers are needed then this would be the place to look.
[:(]

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 14:29
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Not me guv. As I've already pointed out you're not a the biggest draw in our parts...

so you werent mind if you pass the remaining tickets on to the visting supporters then?...

as for attendances..dont take my word for it ..as we know posters can tell porkies cant they?




Link: independant proof

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 14:33
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Be my guest - doesn't alter the fact more came to see Newcastle than your lot this season?

Which rather blows a hole in your theory n'est pas?


SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 14:36
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"Which rather blows a hole in your theory n'est pas"



I refer you to my original post

"you have part time supporters and part time players...both sets only turn up for the big games"


so as you can see I did include other teams in that statement

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 14:38
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Not my team cócker.

Bolton against Newcastle is not by any stretch of the imagination a big game.

Snoop_Smog Posted on 22/04/2008 14:42
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Will you fookin change the record Jim? Just look at the facts, I don't need references because it's common sense.

Currently you have one of the biggest supports in world football because you have been successfull. I don't give a fook about pre-premiership because as I have stated it was a completely different game them. Because you are successfull you get the weaker amongs the british population "supporting" you and it stands to reason that a significant percentage of your support is because of this.

You also repeatedly get into the cash cow that it the champions leage which is intrinsically biased because seeding is based on the amount of times you have been in the competition previously.

Because you have this champions league money you can afford better players, are more succesfull, get more fans, get more money are more successfull, get better players, get more fans etc.

Does this make any sense to you Jim?
You are successfull due to a system that is rigged to make you this way. You're like the spoilt child bragging to the poorer children how great you are. And you wonder why you are unpopular? Nothing to do with SoccerAM mate.

The fact you are on here bragging about attendance figures you play no part in just proves my point further.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 14:50
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a couple of points


you churlisly disregard anything pre SKY/PL becuase it doenst fit you argument/myth ....and I quote

"Currently you have one of the biggest supports in world football because you have been successfull. I don't give a fook about pre-premiership because as I have stated it was a completely different game them. Because you are successfull you get the weaker amongs the british population "supporting" you and it stands to reason that a significant percentage of your support is because of this.


the FACTS dont support your statment...sorry I know that you want them to , but history PROVES that united have had the most loyal support who turn up week in week out even in the barren yrs ....

as for cash ...well the irony is staring you in the face....the succes of united has been down to the fans turning up/paying for merchandise etc for all those decades...unlike your club which has had a benefactor to pay for all these players/wages

so in summary united fans have contributed to the success, Gibson paid for your players who brought you your relative success

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 14:56
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So United have never been owned by a rich bloke then and are a club in the true sense of the word?

Pile of horse pooh jimbo, and you know it.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 14:58
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and do you really think the glazers have put any money into United?...I thought it was the geordies who lived in la la land

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 14:58
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Who mentioned the Glazers?

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 15:01
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and Louis edwards ..took money out...

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 15:09
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So none of your owners have ever contributed any money?

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 15:12
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well the glazers havent ..they , as we all know leveraged the club and brought massive debt...prior to that the club was one of very few that made a profit ..and from that profit ( gate recipts/merhandise/TV etc) the players were bought....

when the club was floated in 1990 it raised £11m ..3 went to the edwards family .. and the rest went on a new roof for the stretford end and ultimately seating after the taylor report

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 15:15
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Come on jimbo, you should know your club's history and how you were saved from extinction by a wealthy businessman coughing up his own dosh.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 15:18
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well if you want to go back to walters and Mr Davies time ...every club back then was a play thing

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 15:21
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So you owe your very existence to something similar to what Gibson has done at Boro then?

And you still sneer.

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 15:26
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over a hundred yrs ago ... and he didnt buy us brazilians...

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 15:28
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I wasn't thinking of him - I was thinking of your own Gibson.

Whilst I'm in mid flow - what about the banners at the Stretford End - small time or what?

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 15:35
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what the banners that rememebr the Flowers of manchester
or the ones the demonstrate the supporters sticking by the incidents in 98/2002/2004/2006..and peeople wonder why United hate England

or the banner praising the guy who won us the CL in 99..

I take you dont approve of banners that suuport the team...its not as if they are on show on telly is it....after earleir on your posters were asking for the cameras to me moved hide the vast spaces in your support?

mickbrown Posted on 22/04/2008 15:39
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Thinking more about the one that has the number of years since City last won something. Small time in the extreme.




NortonExile Posted on 22/04/2008 15:39
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Do some people on here actually go to the riverside?? Why move the cameras to the East Stand to show a fuller stadium. The West stand seats to the far left and right, especially in the upper tier are always empty as well bar big games. Moving the cameras makes no difference.

As much as i hate to see the empty seats and i'm a fan who'll always renew if i could afford it, but the fact is the stadium will be full if we are successful and playing good football. We currently are not therefore empty seats. It is the same everywhere. Look at Leeds and Sunderland for example, i know they have gone down divisions but when they were not successful the 40,000+ crowds went down to 24,000.

Most fans will only fork out to see a successful football team and until we are playing well and competing towards the higher positions we will not fill the stadium regardless of price inititives, placing of the cameras etc

SalfordJim Posted on 22/04/2008 15:44
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I need a lie down ...one boro poster posting sense and truth...after nearly 100 replies it has finaly happend..I post truthfully that going to OT is too expensive for my pocket and get called a part timer even though I have got over 20yrs( when younger and richer) of going ...I expect this guy will be castigated as well will he....ermmm

gateman Posted on 22/04/2008 16:05
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Actually I no longer go to the Riverside as I live abroad. I was a season ticket holder for the 30 years previous to my emmigration including going to the riverside from the start. The point for me now is the perception of armchair fans especially my non Boro fan mates over here is the ground is half or less than half full when in fact it must be at least 70% full on a bad day (25000). It would not be difficult with a bit of thought to change the perception of 'how well' we are supported. We are a global team now whether that bothers you are not and millions watch us live and will be making their own impressions. I remember when we really were a badly supported team with 4000 going in the mid 80s.

mat_evans Posted on 22/04/2008 20:49
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Excuse my ignorance, but what the hell is an ABU nation?

ccole Posted on 22/04/2008 21:11
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“and from new yrs day 1977 (my first visit to OT) through the adolesence of the 1980's ..and working at OT from 1994-1999...and my eventual decline in attendnace from 2002”

Now I have seen some fooking arseholes come on this site in my time, but Jimbo here has to top the lot.

Here we have a Man U fan, we says he went to OT in the 80’s as a fan, then turned during the 90’s because he worked there, then stopped going and became a partime supporter since he no longer call pull a wage out of them.

He then comes on here and tries to take the pish out of Boro fans for not turning up.

Un-ber-fooking- believe-able

TheSmogMonster Posted on 22/04/2008 21:14
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If I told you he wasn't from Salford but from somewhere else too would that complete the hypocritical circle of B******* he spouts for you ccole.

Based on that I don't think he's called Jim either.

boredreceptionist Posted on 22/04/2008 21:18
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I love how food and beer is always an essential part of match day expenditure when people say why they can;t go. Here's a tip, have a sandwich beforehand and bring a nice flask of coffee. You will save enough money over the course of a season to attend cup matches.

gateman Posted on 23/04/2008 09:23
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Can't we keep the debate going a little longer so I can get a maiden century

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 09:41
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Manchester united fans are the worst in the country, hardly any come from Manchester, no more then 5 of their fans who go to games, live within a 20 mile radius of the ground. The entire city is blue.

Its true Middlesbrough fans are fickle, but you'll never know how fickle the united fans are because they always have loads of Japanese tourists filling in the gaps at games sitting next to the prawn sandwich eating Devonshire reds who support Man U because there isn't a top flight team anywhere near their ancestral home, and hey, they win everything.

It is therefore acceptable for a supporter of Man U to go around on the internet spouting nonsense such as 'Man U never get penalties' and 'its ok for a Man U fan not to go to games so long as he critises the ABU for not going to their respective games.'

(That should get it going again.)

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 10:36
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I amflattered that my posts are so popular...it goes to show that the posters who say I talk shi+ are way off the mark....


but to address these points


"Manchester united fans are the worst in the country, hardly any come from Manchester, no more then 5 of their fans who go to games, live within a 20 mile radius of the ground. The entire city is blue.

from an independant commisioned report

Dr Adam Brown
Manchester Institute for Popular Culture
Manchester Metropolitan University

This report details the results of a post-code analysis of the Season Ticket databases of Manchester United and Manchester City. It forms one part of a much broader research project on sport in Manchester, called Sport, the City and Governance: Football, Its Fans and Social Exclusion. This research was
funded by a grant from the Economic and Social Research Council.

This was undertaken through a one year study of one city,
Manchester (UK), using the two principal professional clubs, Manchester United and Manchester City, as comparative case studies.

Club No. Season
Ticket Holders
Manchester City 16,481
Manchester United 37,667

Ticket holders in ‘M’postal area Percentage Season

Manchester City 36%

Manchester United 48%


so all ain all another myth sponsored by SoccerAm is debunked








It is therefore acceptable for a supporter of Man U to go around on the internet spouting nonsense such as 'Man U never get penalties' and 'its ok for a Man U fan not to go to games so long as he critises the ABU for not going to their respective games.'


you will notice that the ref for last saturdays game against blackburn has been dropped to div 3 , becuase the refereee adudicator show that he missed two balntant penalties for United..so yet more INDEPENDANT corroburation

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 11:05
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Hate your posts, I love good comedy, and your post-ironic styling just gives us all a giggle.

(I just want gateman to get his ton, the fact you were stupid enough to give a serious reply is fantastic.)

I've asked you before, what is your obsession with SoccerAm? I've never watched it, I've lived in Manchester for 6 years now and have only met 5 season ticket holders, and 2 of them lived in Chorley and one in Bolton. So I think I was being generous with my 5 miles.

I also love that the first time you used that cut and paste from the MET was to prove that Man U had a local fanbase, it brings back some happy memories that.

I don't ever forget a poster 'Jim'.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 11:09
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I prefer to list than INDEPENDANT resources...rather than

"I've lived in Manchester for 6 years now and have only met 5 season ticket holders"


excuse me if I dont beleive a word ....

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 11:11
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Do you actually think I'm being serious Jim?

kolinkooper Posted on 23/04/2008 11:21
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Jim, we pride ourselves on watching football.

You and your other 'Big 4' cronies watch soccer.

I know which I prefer.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 11:21
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no ...am I ?...3 to go

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 11:27
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I've lived and worked in Manchester for the past 10 years and my old neighbour was a season ticket holder and that's it - don't know anybody else who actually goes to a game. Know loads of City though.

And that jimbo is the god's honest truth guv'nor.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 11:33
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well I work in an office of thirty three....14 are united season tickets holders...9 of us a old gits with no money but still follow the team ...and there is one city fan..the rest are women...
and we all live in the manchester area

100 KO

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 11:34
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Of course you are Jim.

I really do only know 5 Man U ticket holders after 6 years of living here.

I've just had a look at a PDF of that study.

Where are you getting your facts from Jim

Section 5.3 states there are only 212 Man U ticket holders in the M16 postcode, where I used to live, thats a huge area, thats bizarre.

Overall in the Greater Manchester area only 29% or 7808 of the 27667 season ticket holders were living in the area.

Now to be fair, thats way out of date anyway as it was from the 2001-2002 season and things have changed since then.

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 11:35
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As I said I know one.

Nice lad despite of himslf.

Peachy Posted on 23/04/2008 11:47
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From next season there will be a prayer room at Old Trafford. Football has come a long way since the 70's but I remember a number of cup games against them in this era and even then they had more fans heading in the direction of Scotland from Darlo than York. Manchester United is a business not a football club. We may not have a full ground every week but at least we are still a football club.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 11:58
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what pious load of BS...in your analogy Middlesborough are a corporate uncontrolable monster..if you are supporter of a "Proper" club like Old corintians

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 12:01
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Come on SalfordJim you've been nailed, even your own cut and paste is a lie, go back to Withington hombre.

PS Thats how you do it Gateman.

Buddy2 Posted on 23/04/2008 12:04
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OI MICK....

who was the manager of Newcastle at the time of this bumper first-day-of-the-season crowd then? [:)]

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 12:06
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the information I gave you illustrated quite clearly ..indeed by your own words it illustrated it quite clearly that this startement


"Manchester united fans are the worst in the country, hardly any come from Manchester, no more then 5 of their fans who go to games, live within a 20 mile radius of the ground. The entire city is blue."...

is BS posted by YOU ...so you are hung by your own Petard





gateman Posted on 23/04/2008 12:13
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Thank you Salford Jim, SmogMonster and everyome else out there who has posted on this thread for giving me my first and probably last 100 posts.

Hemlington_Lad Posted on 23/04/2008 12:16
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I live in Nottingham and know loads of Man. Utd. 'supporters', I lived in London and knew loads of Man. Utd. 'supporters', I lived in Brighton and knew loads Man. Utd. 'supporters'.

They were also all gobS***es. Coincidence? I think not.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 12:19
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The information given by yourself is incorrect, if you paste...

"This report details the results of a post-code analysis of the Season Ticket databases of Manchester United and Manchester"

...into google the first result is a PDF of the report you keep quoting. You have then altered the figures on this report. Which is really sad.

My post, was a joke designed into provoking you into a response, which you have already acknowledged.

I hope you don't work in a position of responsibility.


king_hellfire Posted on 23/04/2008 12:23
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Surprise, surprise.
Everyone who has worked/lived all over the country know thousands of Man Utd fans from those parts, but none of them have met more than a handful whilst working/living in Manchester.

No matter how much bullsh!t you come out with to justify your sparse crowds nobody is falling for it.
You were getting bigger crowds 10 years ago than you are now, so what is your excuse for that, has everyone moved out of the 'worst place to live in Britain'?

Posted on 23/04/2008 12:25
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Jim, can you not see the flaw in your earlier arguement?
In 1 sentence you say you can only afford to go to 5 or 6 games a season, then in the next you accuse boro fans of being part timers.
Now, is it not conceivable that a fan from 1 of the most deprived areas of the country can only afford to go to a few games a season. So in that situation which games are these people going to use their hard earned cash to watch. A game against derby or fulham, or go to watch the superstars of united or arsenal?

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 12:29
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"No matter how much bullsh!t you come out with to justify your sparse crowds nobody is falling for it.
You were getting bigger crowds 10 years ago than you are now, so what is your excuse for that, has everyone moved out of the 'worst place to live in Britain'"...I take it you are adressing the Boro fans ..


as for your points about United fans everywhere....good....in a recent survey it was shown that United had the largest following in the world with over 330m fans ..should they all live in this wonderful city?


do you think the 250M who support Real Madrid should all reside there?


TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 12:30
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Is your name really Jim or is that another lie? [:D]

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 12:35
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No its Debra...but you can call me debbie..sweetcheeks

Buddy2 Posted on 23/04/2008 12:37
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Jim - feck off. It's really more clever to change your argument to suit the facts, rather than the other way around.

Those facts in full:

5.1 Total Numbers of Season Ticket Holders (2001)
Club...............No. Season Ticket Holders
Manchester City....16,481
Manchester United..27,667

5.2 Manchester Location:
A Manchester location was taken as being resident in the ‘M’ postal area.
Club...............Numbers.....Percentage
Manchester City....6,678.......40%
Manchester United..7,808.......29%

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 12:38
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in a recent survey it was shown that United had the largest following in the world with over 330m fans

And that's a good thing? I'd fecking hate it.

king_hellfire Posted on 23/04/2008 12:39
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Yes jim, i'm addressing the Middlesbrough fans.

I support Liverpool myself and the amount of bollox these lot come out with against the 'big 4' teams is unbelievable.
Take Kuyts goal yesterday for example, Babel was in an offside position walking away from goal when Mascherano's ball fell to Kuyt (who was onside) and there were some people on here saying the goal shouldn't have been allowed because Babel (who wasn't interfering with play) was offside.
Obviously they don't even know the basic rules of football, when they're coming out with crap like that.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 12:40
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And that's a good thing? I'd fecking hate it.


no youre right ..better to have a half empty stadium and slag off other fans for supporting their club..even though you cant be ars+d yourselves

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 12:41
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I go to games - you don't.

You're a 'follower' along with 300 million others. Special eh?

king_hellfire Posted on 23/04/2008 12:41
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'in a recent survey it was shown that United had the largest following in the world with over 330m fans

And that's a good thing? I'd fecking hate it.'



Why?

I'm sure your clubs chairman doesn't share that sentiment.



mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 12:43
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Why?

If you need telling then you won't understand.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 12:45
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I am sure Old corintians view Boro as a callous beast....it goes with jealousy and bitterness ..I feel you pain ..as for your statement " I go to games" prove it!!...I was honest , can you be?

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 12:45
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You support Liverpool?

A couple of questions.

a) Where are you from?
b) Do you have a season tickets?

Tell the truth now.

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 12:47
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Jimbo - I'm a season ticket holder. You'll have to take my word for it because I can't be arsed scanning my credit card statement for last June.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 12:48
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Jim wasn't honest either, he'd just forgotten that he'd said it in November, and got shown up over it (bit of a pattern there).

king_hellfire Posted on 23/04/2008 12:51
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Born in Liverpool, live in Doncaster.

No i haven't got a season ticket as there is a long waiting list for them.


One good thing about supporting a 'small' team i suppose is that it is easy to get a season ticket.
Somebody posted on here the other day that they weren't getting a season ticket this season because they couldn't afford one, but they will be getting one again for the season after that.
Now there is no way you could ever do that supporting a team like Liverpool.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 12:51
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it would have been easy for me to say ....I am a season ticket holder , trust me....but I choose to be honest..as I say my first game was news yrs day 1977 against Villa...then for the next 17 yrs I was a boys member, then a league match ticket book holder and then when I got my first wage a ST holder in the old United road paddock.....it was only after 2001/2002 and the arrival of my first kid /marriage that funds became more "stretched"...now I have to rely of the generosity of friends for 5/6 games a season ...so hardly a gloryhunter..not when youve watched Sextons team play ( thats a past United and chelsea manager for those post Skyers)

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 12:52
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So you don't even go to games - your opinions mean nowt to me I'm afraid.


mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 12:55
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Jimbo - why would I lie? I'm a season ticket holder - that's a fact.

And again you say you've earned your dues? Try the 4th division son. That's earning your dues.

king_hellfire Posted on 23/04/2008 12:56
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'So you don't even go to games - your opinions mean nowt to me I'm afraid.'



Who me?

If so you're wrong i've got a fancard, where you get points for going to games.
The more points you accrue the likelier it is that you will get tickets for the big European games.

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 12:58
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Apologies.


SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 12:59
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this is geting quite repetitive now...I am off to get exicted about a CL semi against another bunch of gloryhunters I suppose ..after all you cant fit over 200m in Barelona can you?

king_hellfire Posted on 23/04/2008 13:02
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If you're apologising to me, then thank you, apology accepted.
If you're apologising to jim, then nice one, that's good of you mate.

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 13:04
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Good lad jim - enjoy your armchair.

Clueless.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 13:09
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"Clueless"...compared to someone who tells porkies to posters on message board..errrmmm...no doubt you will be screaming "boro till I die " at your next home game ..even thought there will be only 20k there....

at least United fans turn up every week...unlike some partimer supporters eh?....

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 13:12
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Porkies? What have I said that isn't true?

Boro til I die? Doubt it very much

"at least United fans turn up every week"

Priceless.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 13:13
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at least United fans turn up every week"

Priceless"

are you disputing they dont?

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 13:15
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You don't

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 13:18
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Jim;

"Clueless"...compared to someone who tells porkies to posters on message board."

So why did you change those figures? Those figures are there for everyone to see.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 13:21
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and we only have your word ( for what its worth ) that you do...wereas there is evidence that OT is full every week..and the riverside isnt..apart from when the big games come about ...if you ask anyone who would be classed as "gloryhunter" in this sceneriao?..the evidence illustrates that its boro fans that only bother showing up when the bigger teams visit...maybe there is a bit of jealousy in your thinking eh?

Sleaford Posted on 23/04/2008 13:21
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You're wasting your time with him.

Puckoon Posted on 23/04/2008 13:23
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It seems to me that the vats majority of the 2-300 million rather than the extra 5000 or so would be classed as "gloryhunters"

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 13:23
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Do you think he realises how stupid he looks though ignoring these questions though Sleaford?

It undermines any point he tries to make.

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 13:24
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Jim - I don't lie but equally, couldn't give a fook if you think I do.

You don't go to games. My gran doesn't go to games therefore her opinion on football is about as valid as yours.

Hope you and the other 500 million enjoy tonight.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 13:27
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if thats your criteria then we should discount the opinion of all those apart from the 15-20K that go to the riverside then ....so the likes of slaven/winter/pallister/jurnihio should all be ignored then? fair enough

Critical_Bill Posted on 23/04/2008 13:27
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Those Turban headed Man United fans never miss a home match.
Always get their mugs on TV.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 13:32
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so are you suggesting that manchester doesnt have localy born sikhs ?...or are they all foreigners to you?

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 13:33
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Jim - I'm not a Boro fan - I'm from Bolton and have first hand knowledge of the sort of bellend not from Manchester who 'support' your lot.

ccole Posted on 23/04/2008 13:36
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Jim, you didnt address my point?




"and from new yrs day 1977 (my first visit to OT) through the adolesence of the 1980's ..and working at OT from 1994-1999...and my eventual decline in attendnace from 2002”

Now I have seen some fooking arseholes come on this site in my time, but Jimbo here has to top the lot.

Here we have a Man U fan, we says he went to OT in the 80’s as a fan, then turned during the 90’s because he worked there, then stopped going and became a partime supporter since he no longer call pull a wage out of them.

He then comes on here and tries to take the pish out of Boro fans for not turning up.

Un-ber-fooking- believe-able




SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 13:39
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either way riverside/reebok ...hardly bursting at the seams ..apart from when the bigger clubs visit....and rememebr Bolton is IN GREATER MANCHESTER..so of course there would be united fans you have encountered

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 13:43
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Greater Manchester doesn't exist.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 13:44
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really ..fook me , youd better tell gordon burns

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 13:45
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Gordon Burns? What the fook has he got to do with the price of fish?

Leg_End Posted on 23/04/2008 13:45
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Honestly Jim. Do you think if Boro were as successful we wouldnt fill the stadium. Of course we would.

I would hardly say a 9 year gap between winning major trophies were bad times for Manure. Boro fans had to wait decades to win a trophy so of course its easy for Man utd to fill the ground week in week out.

Old Trafford has added 20,000 seats in the last 10 years. Where have all these supporters come from??

Boro have a core support of around 23,000 to 25,000. If we would have won the Premiership 9 times do you think we wouldnt fill the ground with tourists from Japan? Honestly

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 13:49
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Honestly Jim. Do you think if Boro were as successful we wouldnt fill the stadium. Of course we would.




so in essence you would welcome your own gloryhunters , yet you condemn other clubs supporters?


I would hardly say a 9 year gap between winning major trophies were bad times for Manure. Boro fans had to wait decades to win a trophy so of course its easy for Man utd to fill the ground week in week out.


we also filled the ground when we were relegated...



Old Trafford has added 20,000 seats in the last 10 years. Where have all these supporters come from??


the waiting list...you dont extend the ground without knowing ther is a market for it





mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 13:57
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And you still don;t go.

Critical_Bill Posted on 23/04/2008 14:00
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Gordon Burns, the Krypton factor bloke?

Leg_End Posted on 23/04/2008 14:00
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we also filled the ground when we were relegated...

So did we.

the waiting list...you dont extend the ground without knowing ther is a market for it

Exactly. Who are all these 20,000.

My point isnt to condemn other supporters you knob. Its to show that its easy to fill a ground if your successful. Your the one coming on here condemning our support.

Like someone else said your like the rich kid bragging to the poor kids. No wonder people think Man utd fans are a bunch of arrogant W*****s

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 14:03
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Bill - that's the fella - also presents the local news (as did Tony Wilson) and would apparently be devastated to learn that Greater Manchester no longer exists.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 14:06
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I didnt start the tread did I ..it was YOUR fans maoning about lack of support and the media images of it..I just highlighted what everyone else wont say..you have part time supporters and part time players ..both groups only turn up for the big games..dont shoot the messenger..as for the commetns about United ..am I not entitled to put forward a contrary opinion about United ..or do you all beleive the post sky media myths and want to burrow your head in the sand?

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 14:11
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"am I not entitled to put forward a contrary opinion about United"

You don't go so, no.

By the way, one full stop will suffice.

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 14:13
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and from the images of the reebok every week , neither do your "fans".....unless they are playing Unied of course...gloryhunters!!!!

mickbrown Posted on 23/04/2008 14:16
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Don't care - I go therefore I take the moral highground over you any day of the week.

And as I pointed out earlier the game against United wasn't our biggest attendance of the season, but you seem to be hard of reading.

Leg_End Posted on 23/04/2008 14:17
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I dont think the Boro fans were moaning though. They were just thinking of solutions to cover the gaps in the stadium and then you came along with your smart arse comments. I never said that you wernt entitled to your opinion. Its just the arrogance you make them with.
Do you know what Jim I cant be arsed to argue cos we,ll never agree.

Up the Boro

SalfordJim Posted on 23/04/2008 14:21
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there is no need to agree ..we are'nt argueing ...its just round and round and round with the same BS...anyway I am off..a little work to finish then gym then pub to enjoy the game...you lot enjoy emmerdale...because of course you wouldnt be watching United would you .....closets!!!

Critical_Bill Posted on 23/04/2008 14:23
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I haven't seen Gordon Burns since the days of Surprise,Surprise. I assumed he was dead.

They should bring back the Krypton factor.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 23/04/2008 14:24
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You lied and lost again Jim, and then off you go to your little Mittyeque lifestyle... wow.... pattern emerging.

bl4ckandwhitedreams Posted on 23/04/2008 14:25
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Gordon Burns is dead. And he was possibly at his best in Upstairs Downstairs, although personally i loved him in The Great Escape.

scuzzmonster Posted on 23/04/2008 14:30
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I have it on good authority that Gordon Burns is fond of being thrashed witless by big, domineering women so very likely SHOULD be dead by now. However, it's that baaastard Gordon Jackson who died in The Great Escape. Never forgiven him for having gotten Dickie Attenborough greased with him. Dickie didn't deserve to die that way.