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grantus Posted on 19/04/2008 19:24
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"I think it's hilarious personally"

Sums him up.

tom_mate Posted on 19/04/2008 19:25
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arse hole.

bblf Posted on 19/04/2008 19:52
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The fella is a complete idiot. He sits in front of his computer tugging furiously as people respond to his posts.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 20/04/2008 10:21
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Nearly as funny as your 4-0 prediction, Grant. Don't see many queing up to take thr pi** out of you though.............

Linny Posted on 20/04/2008 10:26
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Do you know this bloke like? Or did he say that on the message board.

I think the best thing is just to ignoe him. He will take the P*** out of the Boro no matter what happens. I think its sad that someone takes delight his own clubs demise.

I think he might be from the area but is probably a Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea or Newcastle fan. There are plenty of C***s like him in Teesside who only have something to say to you when they get beat.

the_throcking_man Posted on 20/04/2008 11:04
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Give him some credit, he has been saying we have been rubbish for a while and looking at the table it seems to be true.

onthemap Posted on 20/04/2008 11:14
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As is usually the case grantus, you forgot to say what I was referring to.

I do find it hilarious that you and a few other footballing geniuses are still saying things like...

"Ali brings so much to the team,Southgate is learning and we're lucky to have him", we've never even been in a relegation battle, not this season or last.

You haven't a clue about the game grantus, there's not a day goes by where you fail to demonstrate just how little you actually understand.

4-0 yesterday was it?
Not the foggiest.




George1507 Posted on 20/04/2008 11:17
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Mappie just tells it as he sees it.

For you lot to attack him like you do is disgraceful.

I think you should give your heads a shake, look at the league table, and figure out where we are going to get some more points.


onthemap Posted on 20/04/2008 11:25
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Thank you George.


Holgateoldskool Posted on 20/04/2008 11:26
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Hey, Mappy! You never thank me- and I've defended you from the pack from time to time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

onthemap Posted on 20/04/2008 11:32
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Sorry Holgate, I often read your posts and thank F*** there's at least a few of us on here who don't just post whatevers in the Gazette.


Linny Posted on 20/04/2008 11:40
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I think its the condesending and patronising way in which he gives his opinion that grates. He also seems to take a lot of pleasure from defeats and poor performances as he sees it as the green light to spew more of his bile.

He never comes out with positives after a win or good display so his opinion clearly isn't balanced. He's a one trick pony.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 20/04/2008 11:44
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The bottom line is that his graphic,uncompromising manner is bourne out to be true at times.

That's what I believe some folk on here have a problem with.And I would also say that 8 wins out of 35 games appears to give ample ammo to his thoughts................

onthemap Posted on 20/04/2008 11:45
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Linny, I don't do smileys, therefore my posts grate on raras like you, if you need nice sparkly things to read stick to Heat magazine.

I'm the first on here when we've played well, I've listed Southgates achievements time and again and if you want them listing again I'll gladly do it.

My opinions we're formed a year ago, it might stick in your throat but to some of us this was all so blatently obvious it's hard not to come across as a know all.

woodymfc Posted on 20/04/2008 11:52
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Nobody likes the truth and saying something like you see it will not always make everyone pleased. Tough S***!!!

Our season has been poor, 2 steps forward 3 back

If it's the same old next season, bye bye Gatey ASAP

prepman Posted on 20/04/2008 11:53
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Mappy dont forget me.im honoury secretary of your fan club,keep it up mate your doing a good job.

onthemap Posted on 20/04/2008 11:55
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prepman

If we all just went on as if everything was fine we'd still be paying Robbo's wages.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 20/04/2008 12:03
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"My opinions were formed a year ago"

Exactly the point. Far to stubborn and insecure to deviate from a long held viewpoint.

Like a bitter old man. Boring now, I'm surprised people still rise to it.

onthemap Posted on 20/04/2008 12:09
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Stabilo

You're a prime example of why 90% on this board is just utter guff.
What you would like me to do is be wrong, it'd make your day if you could point to Arca and Rocky dominating midfields (they don't even get on the same pitch now) or Ali getting his 20th goal, like Santa Cruz did yesterday for instance.

When I get it wrong I'll hold my hands up, you just carry on copying and pasting Anthony Vickers.

We still mid table pushing for Europe are we?

woodymfc Posted on 20/04/2008 12:13
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a prime example of why 90% on this board is just utter guff.
You say it as you see it OK, im the same mindset - it's not always popular and smart to do so.....

It's also not too smart to be so arrogant with your comments pasted above

skiprat Posted on 20/04/2008 12:28
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It's not really a hard viewpoint to make stand up though is it?

What's the more obvious thing that's going to happen to a team of usual mid-table dwellers? We go on and challenge for Champions League places or we have average league seasons and low finishes?

Anyone can predict that we could have a bad season. The lack of balance is incredible though, nowhere to be seen after a victory yet on here within 10 minutes if we've been beat.

It's a shame so many bite to be honest. He's easily the best wind up merchant on here and you've got to credit him for that because there's a few contenders!

Linny Posted on 20/04/2008 13:02
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Mr Map,

I know when we are bad and will say it. Yesterday was awful and not for the first time. I'm as likely to whinge as the next man (unless the next man is you).

However just because i don't go to the pessimistic lengths that you do does not make me a ra ra. And smileys are hardly the measure of a man, but if not doing them gives you an ego boost then carry on.

Also, is the "get back to Heat magazine" your new favorite jibe? I've seen you use it on others and it wasn't amusing then. Again it just points out your patronising side to anyone who doesn't hang out the back of your arse on here.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 20/04/2008 13:04
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"We still mid table pushing for Europe are we?"

Another piece of classic onthemap drivel. Who has ever said we are pushing for europe this season? Go on, give me a name. No one says half the things you acuse them off.

Your opinion is Southgate is useless and will take us nowhere, Aliadiere is a waste of space etc etc. You then twist any evidence to fit that opinion rather than using the evidence to form one.

My opinion is that Southgate can still be a bit naive but has shown enough for us to believe he could be successful at this club. You have accused him of having no control over the dressing room and being weak. He stripped George of the captaincy and got him playing well again and reacted to the awful Cardiff defeat by getting the team to battle for him with some good performances. Clear evidence that he can control the dressing room and can make tough decisions. Did you acknowledge that? Course you didn't because it goes against your entrenched view.

Here, I'll spell it out. Balance:
Cardiff - very poor, showed his inexperience.
Following matches - galvanising, showed he can motivate and the players want to work for him.

You see. Accepting evidence of the bad but also acknowledging signs of the good. A balanced view. Balance. Give it a go. Give credit where it's due just as you give criticism where necessary.

Our two best young players on long contracts - good
Midfield woefully short - bad

Luke Young - Excellent signing
Mido - Dubious signing

Away form - improving
Home form - v disappointing.

Myself and fellow "ra-ra's" can clearly see the deficiencies but why can't you acknowledge the positives?

That's the issue. Though obviously the whole act has gone too far now for you change your pantomime character. It's wholly predictable and why I tend to no longer even open your threads.


onthemap Posted on 20/04/2008 13:14
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stabilo

I'd type some more but frankly it'd be quicker if I just referred you to the league table.

Nice try though.

Adi_Dem Posted on 20/04/2008 16:10
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It's not his opinions that cause me any difficulty. In fact there is merit in a lot of what he says. The problem is his dismissal and inability to cope with alternative, but equally valid, views. The problem is he gets wrong just as much as he gets right, just like all of us, except he sees himself as some sort of footballing guru. He can't answer simple questions, he can't cope with anyone disagreeing with him and he cannot, under any circumstances, change his entrenched viewpoint and can equally never acknowledge anyone's slightly positive view, dismissing the poster as a ra ra. The icing on the cake though is the gleeful way he meets Boro's failure, that for me is the most telling and the most damning.

First on here after a good win? Give me a break.

"As is usually the case grantus, you forgot to say what I was referring to."

And you would never do that would you mappie - do you not remember your post following my views on the Sheff Utd match?

I repeat - no-one has a problem with his opinions, why should they? It's what the board is about. It's the rest of his nonsense that grates.

karembeu_ca Posted on 20/04/2008 20:16
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i really worry for mappy, he is going to hurt himself some day soon by slapping himelf on the back so much [:D]

grantus Posted on 20/04/2008 22:11
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We missed how many great chances before they scored? Certainly enough to be 4-0 up.

Anyway, my predictions will always be very optimistic. Always were, always will be.

I like to be optimistic, it's a personal choice, I've been supporting the Boro long enough to know the reality.

Shaun71 Posted on 20/04/2008 22:20
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I stopped taking any notice a long time ago. To be honest if mappy was a Man Utd fan he would have been calling for Fergies head in 1990.

Patience

Boromart Posted on 21/04/2008 09:48
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Like a broken clock Mappy is right 0.139% of the time.

As someone said it's about balance. I like others have said 12th-14th this year, and said this before the season started. The table thus far proves us right.

Mappy has spouted doom and gloom from day 1, and other than 1 week we have not been in the relegation spots.

Mappy seems to be extremely reactive to individual results, he has no foresight and no ability to see the bigger picture. I guess that is why people think he talks S***e.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 10:12
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Funny that Boromart, how I get it wrong that is.

Tell me what I got wrong would you mate - I'll help you along:

Me
We'll stay up but only just
Raras (you know who you are)
We've never been near a relegation battle, not this season or last - this was as recent as last Friday.

Me
Arca and Rocky won't work in central midfield
Raras
Arca and Rocky in midfield will allow us to play fast, attacking free flowing football

Me
Ali will not score enough to warrant a striking role
Raras
Ali brings so much more to the game and will score enough given our supply from Arca and Rocky

Me
Catt will not establish himself this season
Raras
Catt will be England captain one day (I suppose there's still time)

Me
We'll scrape by Sheffield, Cardiff will then give us a football lesson and knock us out
Raras
You know absolutely nothing about football etc etc

Me
MoN is the man for the job
Raras
Southgate will finish higher

Now you boromart.

grantus Posted on 21/04/2008 10:15
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Delusional now, too.

speckyget Posted on 21/04/2008 10:19
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Well, bipolar certainly. Everyone with a different opinion is a 'rara'. Everyone with an optimistic bias is a 'rara'. 'Me' against the raras.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 10:24
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Funny, I get all kinds of abuse and other than when an idiot like Blaine decides to call me a racist to try and be popular I don't give a S***e.

You lot vomit when I call you a rara.


skiprat Posted on 21/04/2008 10:54
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I don't think there's a single "rara" on here.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 10:57
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Well none who recognise themselves as one anyway eh skiprat?

Critical_Bill Posted on 21/04/2008 10:57
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"I stopped taking any notice a long time ago. To be honest if mappy was a Man Utd fan he would have been calling for Fergies head in 1990.

Patience"


Is Shaun71 suggesting that Southgate will lead us to Premiership titles and Champions league glory?
Has he been sniffing the chemicals at work?

sasboro1 Posted on 21/04/2008 11:01
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DIdnt fergie prove himself and wint he uefa cup before going to manutd? Silly to compare southgate to fergie. better off comparing him to someone like stuart pearce.

Looking back, you can see just how crucial that dodgy linesman was at fulham.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 11:02
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Of course every manager given time will develop into a Fergie.

Using that logic we should have stuck with Robbo or maybe get in for Trevor Francis.

Boromart Posted on 21/04/2008 11:08
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OTM, from that list you supplied the only one which even remotely sounds like something I have posted is the Ali one.....I didn't put it down to Arca and Rocky though. I said given a long run in the side. However what I didn't account for was that Mido would be knackered all season and Ali would play up front by himself.

The other comments:-

OTM
We'll stay up but only just
Me
12th-14th finish Mine looks spot on.

OTM
Arca and Rocky won't work in central midfield
Me
When they were playing well before ARcas injury I said that we should play them both at home but not away. Who would you have played instead? Considering you have slagged Boat and Catt off before then there aren't really any choices left for you!

OTM
Ali will not score enough to warrant a striking role
Me
Ali brings much more to the game. Most people will agree with this. I would go so far as to say that Ali has been our most consistent CF, the problem has been getting a player alongside him.

OTM
Catt will not establish himself this season
Me
Catt is a squad player at this moment in time. I don't know anyone who expected him to be a starter at the beginning of the season.

OTM
We'll scrape by Sheffield, Cardiff will then give us a football lesson and knock us out
Me
I thought we would scrape past Sheff Utd, they are as good as Fulham, Brum etc. i.e. a lower prem side.

OTM
MoN is the man for the job
Me
Martin O'Neil didn't and wouldn't take the job, so it's a mute point. Until we splashed on Alves, MON had spent twice as much as Southgate. I didn't want Southgate at the time, but while he is in charge I will give him support, thats what supporters do.

Is it true you are in your 50s? you argue like a teenager. I always thought that 'young at heart' was a compliment for someone of your generation, but now I know better.

Mr_Middlesbrough Posted on 21/04/2008 11:19
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Map
Give one example of where you have been wrong. Everyone's wrong sometimes. It is your lack of ability to do this that make you appear to be a know-it-all, and upsets people. And calling everyone who has a different point of view a ra-ra. That's more bullying to be honest.
I, for example was woefully wrong about Tommy Wright and Phil Whelan.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 11:21
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boromart

I didn't start the thread, just responded to grantus and his need to engage me.

Frankly I don't give two hoots about what you or anyone else thinks of me, if what I post upsets you that much just ignore my posts, all of them, I'm not fussed mate.

The_same_as_before Posted on 21/04/2008 11:22
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Now that I agree with.

Blain87 Posted on 21/04/2008 11:23
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onthemap was wrong about the fight at the weekend.

Doubt he would admit it though.

He knows everything.

Boromart Posted on 21/04/2008 11:25
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you don't upset me mate, I'm just trying to work out if you are a comedy or a tragedy.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 11:28
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Blaine
I'm not keen on answering dispicable individuals like yourself but for the sake of this argument, yes I thought Hopkins would win the fight on Saturday and like on every other occasion I've no problem saying when I was wrong - it happens now and then.

Do I really mean that much to you that you remember everything I write?

shaved_melon Posted on 21/04/2008 11:31
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otm is the sort of c0ck who wants every newly appointed manager out within a matter of months, before enough time has elapsed to form a worthwhile opinion. hes stated he wanted southgate out after one season.

he can then harp on about being the first to spot the managers deficiencies every time we inevitably lose a game.

Blain87 Posted on 21/04/2008 11:34
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I am an upstanding member of the community, I'll have you know. I look after lost animals and treat everyone equally.

I remembered your comments because you were one of only a few who said Hopkins would win on that particular thread. Same as I remember how you said Gook should start ahead of Aliadiere against Newcastle - because nobody else thought the same. If you, or anybody else, said they were from Mars I would remember that too.

Boromart Posted on 21/04/2008 11:37
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Regarding Southgate:

Ferguson once said, it took 18 months to get rid of the players he didn't want, 18 months to bring in the players he did want, and 18 months to get them to play the way he wanted. Total 4 1/2 years. During that period of time he came close to the sack several times and the press were trying to get him out.

I'm not comparing the abilities of Southgate and Fergie, what I am saying is that possibly the greatest manager EVER, says it takes time to build a team, a lot of time.

The bottom 3 teams have all rushed into sacking a manager this season at the first sign of trouble. It gets you nowhere other than the vicious cycle of sack-honeymoon-falter-sack.

Any new manager, who doesn't get us relegated, deserves to start his 4th season, to get it right. Southgate will most likely be given that.

Critical_Bill Posted on 21/04/2008 11:39
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We are a team that is perenially 'in transition'.

grantus Posted on 21/04/2008 11:41
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Every team goes through transition, every year.

It's a comment used to excuse oneself from a disappointing season though.

shaved_melon Posted on 21/04/2008 11:49
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somehow boro have been less than the sum of our parts this season. i believe southgate has assembled a decent squad, evidenced by the fact we consistently competed with the best teams. we seem to fall down where we have to battle and scrap for results against teams where the onus is on us to break them down.
Whats the cause? Possibly a combination of our tactical approach to these games, a lack of real quality in central midfield to pass the ball arond quickly to stretch teams and maybe also motivation.
southgate has to identify the causes and show real improvement in this area next season

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 11:49
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BB75 - I wasnt comparing the 2 at all. Just saying its all to easy to want instant success.

Sas/supermac - Dont you think the dodgy ref at Villa cancels out the dogy lino at Fulham. Cant quite see your point there

ccole Posted on 21/04/2008 11:50
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"Looking back, you can see just how crucial that dodgy linesman was at fulham"


Or how unlucky we were to concede that penalty when an Arsenal player kicked it out and was given as a corner preceding their goal?


Not like you not to give a balanced example SAS?


Holgateoldskool Posted on 21/04/2008 11:51
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Sorry, Grant you're wrong. Some teams go through transistion but quite a few evolve or progress. Surely that's what we want at our club - isn't it ?

sasboro1 Posted on 21/04/2008 11:53
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supermac? am i a jordie/C****ney now [:D] i was onthemap last week [:)] (by ccole)funny how you get accused of being allsorts of people when you arent a superfan.

so you admit the season has been balanced and we deserve to be where we are? or will you say we have been unlucky.

Did you see that pogi handball that wasnt given the other week. selective memory


Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 12:03
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Do you really want us to go through all the dodgy decisions against us? Are you serious?

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 12:04
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'When you arent a superfan?' [:D]

I thought you were one of the more intelligent ones, I guess I was wrong

sasboro1 Posted on 21/04/2008 12:05
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yeah, but go through the dodgy decisions that have gone for us too. that is only fair. Isnt it.

So do you agree we deserve to be where we are or have been unlucky and shoul dbe in a better position? have you checked your stats recently on our form? 3 league wins in 2008!

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 12:07
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Mappie's long post above, you know the me versus the ra ras one, doesn't need any response. It sums his approach up perfectly. First step - simply make up or slightly modify what he claims to have posted previously to suit what he perceives is happening on the pitch. The second step is then to contrast that with the opinions he concocts and that he THINKS the raras have.

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 12:09
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We deserve to be exactly where we are. No lower and no higher. Your initial point was though that we should be grateful for that linos decision at Fulham. What was the point in saying that, when you know it can be countered with decisions which have gone against us

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 12:14
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Adi
Lat week you accused me of not changing my opinions since Septemeber, this week I concoct new opinions all the time.

S*** or get off the pot.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 12:15
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Precisely Shaun. There is never any balance from mappie, sas and their ilk and yet it is those that take a different view that get stuffed in the rara box.

I said before a ball was kicked that we'd finish 12th -14th and we probably will. It's for that reason that it has been a disappointing season, we haven't moved on. Do we deserve to be where we are? Yep. Have we been a bit unlucky this season? Probably.

grantus Posted on 21/04/2008 12:17
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Holgate - yeah fair enough, I suppose what I meant was that every team changes, every team has an element of transition every season.

Whether it's through evolution, decimation, introduction, depletion, retirement, graduation, acquisition or whatever.

Not like me to be pedantic, apologies.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 12:19
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Tim
You forgot to mention incompetence

ccole Posted on 21/04/2008 12:20
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“yeah, but go through the dodgy decisions that have gone for us too. That is only fair. Isnt it.”

Your right, it is only fair, and balanced.


Perhaps you should remember that while trying to insinuate that if it wasn’t for poor decisions by match officials we would be in a worse position.


Boromart Posted on 21/04/2008 12:32
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on the balance of things we do get a raw deal regarding ref decisions. As I have said before last year we did an anbalysis at work, with non-Boro fans and the result was we all agreed that Boro were down on points, quite a few points, I think it was around 6-8 points. Believe what you want, but having a ssessed a full season and with the help of non-Boro fans to remove any blinkered views, that is the conclusion we reached.

Saying that we are on a par with teams like Fulham, Brum etc. for poor decisions and should have accumulated far more points than them by now.


grantus Posted on 21/04/2008 12:39
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F***wit - Thanks for that, that too. Something you are much closer to than most of us.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/04/2008 12:46
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if only we could think of a dodgy decision in 27 of the games we failed win then we would be up with Chelsea

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 12:54
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[?]

ccole Posted on 21/04/2008 13:00
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Doesn’t work like that SAS.

Some go for you, some don’t. “it evens it self out over the season”

karembeu_ca Posted on 21/04/2008 13:01
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sas, we would not have needed the numerous dodgy decisions that cost us if we took the numerous chances we missed - that is a fact. does it mean that we werent hosed? no.

Bolton should have beeen dead and buried yesterday, long before a defensive balls-up and two stone-wall pennas went against us.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/04/2008 13:06
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"Some go for you, some don’t. “it evens it self out over the season”"

spot on, that is the answer I was looking for. We deserve to be where we are in the league. The league doesnt lie. our form in 2008 has been poor with only 3 league wins from 15 games and them were against fulham, wigan and Derby by 1-0 . our form pre new year was very much the same

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 13:07
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Thats what weve been saying!!!!

sasboro1 Posted on 21/04/2008 13:09
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well i am glad you are finally waking up to us not being as good as we all thought. you should have took note months ago. the "boo boys" are right sometimes you know

grantus Posted on 21/04/2008 13:10
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It evens itself out over the season
The league doesn't lie
You make your own luck
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
It's a game of two halves

Load of rubbish.

Some teams will have done well out bad decisions this season and some teams will suffer because of bad decisions.

It does not even out over the season. It may average out, but it doesn't even out.

If all of the decisions of our games had been correct, we would definately be a lot better off than we are now.

Ask Sheffield United if things even out over the season.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 13:11
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sas
I preferred it when they disagreed and argued their stupid points to be honest.

All this "it was all so obvious" S***e is doing my head in!

Apparently they agreed with us all along.

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 13:12
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I must be missing something but arent we all fans of the same team? Doesnt seem to be the case some times

To my knowledge noone ever said we were one of the best teams in the country. We deserve to be exactly where we are. Yes the team needs tweaking, everyone knows that. Were not a million miles from getting into that 5th - 10th group

karembeu_ca Posted on 21/04/2008 13:14
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the only bullS*** is the "evens out" crap.

we made our own bed with missed chances, but some luck could have bailed us out - but it didnt. it never does.

ccole Posted on 21/04/2008 13:14
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"We deserve to be where we are in the league"


SAS, your wisdom boarders on greatness.

Can you please confirm if the Sun will go down tonight and then rise in the Morning?

George1507 Posted on 21/04/2008 13:39
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Those of you who were predicting we would finish 12th - 14th, well done. You might be right. Did you think we'd manage it with less than 40 points?

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 21/04/2008 13:51
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I think Maps views bring balance to the forum,only Map know what his motivations are for the wording of his comments are at times, maybe he just enjoys getting a bite, nothing wrong with that.

Personally I judge individuals by their comments, not what I percieve their motivations be or if they have an agenda. I read Maps posts with interest.

Generally past performance is the best indicator for future performance, and in Southgates case that is worrying, he is not even building momentum for next season (NUFC are). He and the club talk as much about next seaon as this, that insults the intelligence of the supporters.

In the end it becomes a matter of faith, I personally believe he will improve next season, but not significantly. I cannot back up why I think he will improve, its just a feeling. Maps view that he will not improve makes more sense as its based on past performance.

Lastly I'll quote from a old chap who I knew who was similar to Map in his comments, he once said, " Most people are just not brave enough to go against popular opinion as it would mean they would have to think for themselves".

Anyway, thats what I fink !

Boromart Posted on 21/04/2008 13:53
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"our form in 2008 has been poor" --

Good -
Liverpoo (H) - good point against a good side.
blackburn (A) - good point against a good side, could have won it.
Jawdees (A) - good performance could have won it.
Villa (A) - good performance spoilt by the ref.
Arsenal (A) - good performance
Chelsea (A) - good performance defensively, did well attacking in the second half
Manure (H) - good performance
Spuds (A) - well worthy of a point away to a talented side, so good performance


OK -
Everton (H), didn't take our chances and got sucker-punched. Performance was OK though.
Wigan (H) - OK performance.
Fulham (H) - ok performance in spells.
Liverpool (A) - good performance spoilt by two lapses defensively
Derby (H) - sporadic performance

Poor
Reading (H) - poor performance, still unlucky not to get a draw
Bolton (H) - poor performance, only really played for 20 mins.

Everyone will have their opinions on those games that may vary slightly. But our 2008 FORM hasn't been poor, it's the results that are. Looking at how we played in those games I think we probably deserved more points than we garnered.

grantus Posted on 21/04/2008 13:53
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I predicted that we could finish top half, but things would have to go our way, particularly regarding injuries. They didn't, so we'll end up in our usual area of the league, which seems to be the 3rd quarter, 11th - 15th.

No suprises with the size of our squad really.

Boromart Posted on 21/04/2008 14:03
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George1507, less than 40 points? well we might still acheive it. I predicted 33+ points will see you safe.

I hadn't thought about how many points we would get but I assumed due to the money that West Sham, Spuds, Evverton, Pompey etc. were spending that we would struggle to get as many points as last year.

somethingtodowithdeath, NUFC may be 'building momentum', but teams like West Sham, Reading and City are losing it.

To become a decent side you first have to become hard to beat. In the last half a season only Brum and Everton have beaten us by more than one goal. We are competitive in nearly every game, we just need to learn to have a bit more fight when the going gets tough, and to put the easy chances away.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 14:07
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The reality is mappie that there aren't that many that have disagreed with you, it's all in your mind I'm afraid.

Most people agree we will finish where the majority expected us to last August. Some people said avoiding relegation by the skin of our teeth, others said 12th-14th.

Most people agree that it's been a poor season. Some will say we've had a lot of bad luck, some will say it all evens itself out.

Most people agree that the midfield needs an overhaul. We may disagree about the relative merits of individual midfielders but that is only to be expected.

Most people agreed that we needed another striker. Some think that the likes of Ali and Tuncay are good players that deserve to play despite accepting that they will never be prolific and others don't.

Some people see positives whilst acknowledging that there are problems that need addressing.

Some people think Gate is on the right track, some think he is completely out of his depth and some people don't have a strong view either way.

The point is mappie that it really isn't this polarised, monochrome world you seem to think it is. None of us raras think everything is perfect, that Ali will score hatfuls of goals, that we have a world class midfield but neither do we think that we're all doomed and that the baby needs throwing out with the bath water.

It's called balance - and your lack of it is why you get the stick you do. That and the fact that you create a view of what we raras think that bears no resemblance to reality. Oh, and the fact that you claim to be some kind of footballing Nostradamus and yet have the track record of Mystic Meg.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/04/2008 14:07
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if we only get 3 points from next 3 games that will equal our worst points total for over 25 years.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 14:10
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What if we get 9?

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 14:11
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"The reality is mappie that there aren't that many that have disagreed with you, it's all in your mind I'm afraid."

Yes right now I'm missing all of the posts you put up telling me how much you agreed with every word.

You remind me of that character in the Fast Show.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/04/2008 14:13
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yeah we might get 9 but highly unlikely as i cant remember southgate ever winning 3 league games on the bounce. only 3 times in 2 seasons have we won 2 league games on the trot. my gut feeling is we will get 4 points and finish on 40 points.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 14:15
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Whoosh mappie. Whoosh. You've missed it I'm afraid because it's clearly over your head.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 14:19
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To be perfectly honest Sas, I don't think it matters. The sooner this season is out the way the better. Next season is the key one. We all know Gate is here for at least next season. If he succeeds then great, if he doesn't we have to appoint correctly next time - and that means a proven manager.

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 14:19
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Not sure where you studied maths Sas (ah just saw you put equalled, I do apologise)

Like you said weve got 39 points a couple more times, 1989 and 1997.

92/93 season we ened up with 44 points but only because we played 42 games. If the season had ended after 38 games we would have had 37 points.

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 14:23
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Noones saying were having a good season because were not.

Theres plenty of much bigger teams than us who would gladly be in our place right now. Im on the side of the realists/superfans/whatever you call them.

Adi is right, next year is a big year for all concerned but Im not exactly sure what would make you happy. If its CL football and trophies galore then you may need to be more realistic in your aims.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 14:36
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Shaun
I assume that comment is meant for me.

What is making me very happy right now is the footballing gurus on here who are now working overtime to say everything I posted was obvious all along (without actually saying it of course).

We're a top ten team, anything less is a failure, best chairman in the league and when this idiot took over he was in charge of Uefa finalists.

We are top ten material but will do no more than battle relegation under this clown.

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 14:40
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That post sums up why people may have pops at you.

Why do you say we are a top 10 team? The position weve finished in a mighty 2 times since the Prem was formed.

Have some respect too. That 'clown' is a true Boro legend and deserves better than that garbage from you.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 14:41
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bollox, respect is earned, he's a managerial clown.


Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 14:42
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That respect has been earned tenfold

Bollox indeed, no wonder the countries going to the dogs

Boromart Posted on 21/04/2008 14:44
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Sas, I don't think the number of points is that valid an argument. The league has changed due to investment, that is out of our control.

The points differance between top and bottom has been stretching for the last 10 years it'sonly natural that this will affect us.

Anyway to take it to the extreme, it is mathamatically possible to win the league with just 40 points. Would it be a disaster if we did that? [;)]


Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 14:45
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On the subject of managers Id rather go on the likes of Arsene Wengers judgement than yours if thats OK.

The mans learning his trade. Whether you disagree about are we the right club for him to do that isnt the point.

He loves this club and is doing his best. I for one can see what hes trying to do and yes it will take some more incomings and outgoings.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 14:45
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He gets well paid for what he does, did when he played too.

You want hero worship, read a comic mate.

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 14:47
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*shakes head*

Absolute horse S***e

Boromart Posted on 21/04/2008 14:51
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onthemap instead of trying to group everyone who disagrees with you into some kind of collective consciousness, why not talk to people individually. We all have separate viewpoints and opinions. Trying to use a collective set of quotes from multiple people to prove a point only proves one thing....that your not very bright.

"bollox, respect is earned, he's a managerial clown." -- If Southgate is a managerial clown then what are Keane, Jewell, Hodgson, Coleman, Bruce, McCleish, Copell, LFS, Megson, BFS, Roeder, Pearce, Curbishley, Pardew, Boothroyd, Warnock? They have all finished below him, or during this season managed to do worse than Southgate at one club or another.


onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 14:56
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Boromart
You may be revising your opinions, I'm not.

He's a clown , nothing less.

Shaun71 Posted on 21/04/2008 14:57
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Theres only one clown round here, and no Im not revising my opinion either

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 15:00
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I think a psychologist/psychiatrist would have a field day with you mappie.

Your mind cannot cope with the concept that there are individuals who hold a set of individual opinions. As a result, your mind creates a set of circumstances where anyone that disagree with you can be simply labelled a rara and dismissed OR it interprets what people actually write so that somehow they agree with you. It's almost a defence mechanism underlining your narcissism, maintaining your ego, maintaining that you are, indeed, always right.

A field day.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 15:01
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Whatever it is, it certainly gets you working your little porkies Adi.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 15:02
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No argument here.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 21/04/2008 15:09
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Applaudes Shaun71.

The people saying we should be top 10 completely ignore the context of their claims.
- Numerous clubs with new foreign investment
- "Uefa finalists"... and bottom half of the league.
- A lot of our best players aging or walking out - Vids, Boat, Yak, Gareth himself.
- Inexperienced young players being bedded in

And you think all that should be brushed aside and a cohesive top 10 side fully sorted in 18 months.

You throw around about how people know nothing about football but you clearly have not the first idea how long it takes to build a successful football side.

mr_maz Posted on 21/04/2008 15:12
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its quite clear that mappie simply follows MFC, He is not a Supporter or a Fan as that by its mere nature would require some form of positivity.

There are few more like him on this site, and personally I think life would be much more pleasant if the Followers would have their own site or section of the forum for their irritating and repetitive negativity, whilst Fans and Supporters can continue to live in hope, and show how it is possible to give constructive criticism whilst also being positive.


Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 15:13
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And here's the rub mappie, the thing that will put you in a spin. I agree with everything that Stabilo has just posted. However, he and I STILL may well disagree as to whether Gate is the right man to ultimately give us a successful football side.

You see it is not as polarised as you either want it to be or think it is.

Holgateoldskool Posted on 21/04/2008 15:14
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Hey, Grant, bet this is the most unlikely ton you've ever had!I think I helped things along for you yesterday morning!!!!!!!

grantus Posted on 21/04/2008 15:16
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Nah, there's more than one clown around here but onthemap certainly is the current holder of the position of board jester.

His refusal to engage with anyone on a reasoned level, his misplaced arrogance and seeming inability to have a constuctive debate is at times quite impressive. Unless of course it's unintentional, then it's completely tragic.

I suppose it fills gaps though.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 15:18
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Adi you change your mind more often than your underpants.

There's not an opinion between you, just excuses, young players, old players, no money, too much money, too little time, strikers who do much more without actually scoring, midfielders who were once quite good but now aren't, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

S*** or get off it.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 21/04/2008 15:21
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I do disagree with you on Southgate, Adi, and I did on McClaren too. But you acknowledge a positive where you see one and critisise where you see fit.

If you twisted every result or action of the manager to fit your view then I'd slate you as much as OTM.

He has this idea that an opinion is fixed and must be steadfastly adhered to despite any evidence to the contrary. I'm still not convinced he actually understands what 'opinion' means.

Should be a politician really (his avoidance of questions is certainly at an advanced level)


Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 15:22
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Firstly mappie, you seem to think that changing one's mind is a sign of weakness but to me taking an entrenched view and sticking with it no matter what evidence is thrown up as time passes is a sign of basic stupidity.

Nonetheless, I don't think you have a point anyway. I would like you to tell me upon which subject you consider I have changed my mind mappie? Come on do enlighten me. You can't and I'll tell you why - I haven't.

skiprat Posted on 21/04/2008 15:26
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"We're a top ten team, anything less is a failure, best chairman in the league and when this idiot took over he was in charge of Uefa finalists."

Yep. We had a brilliant league season when we reached the UEFA final didn't we. Chelsea and Man United were terrified of the UEFA cup finalists taking their (rightful) place at the top of the table.

grantus Posted on 21/04/2008 15:30
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Holgate, I take no pleasure in having yet another ton, if poor old mappy can't wake up and smell the coffee.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 15:36
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grantus
You start threads about me because you're as dull as dishwater.

Did you ever see the Spitting Image send up of John Major eating peas in his grey underpants?


karembeu_ca Posted on 21/04/2008 15:37
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phew! thank god. I thought that Ali article had killed him off [:D]

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 15:45
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What Ali article?

Mappie - care to respond?

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 15:46
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It's an article he posted earlier.
Basically Ali is giving shooting practice to kids.

God knows that's a generation lost.

karembeu_ca Posted on 21/04/2008 15:47
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see my thread about Rob and manslaughter, just a bit of fun... and mappy is usually a good sport about that sort of post.

karembeu_ca Posted on 21/04/2008 15:48
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"God knows that's a generation lost." [:D] made me laugh, nice one.

grantus Posted on 21/04/2008 15:49
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"You start threads about me because you're as dull as dishwater."

That's 124 posts though, sunshine.

The initial point was that the very first thing you thought to type after we had been beaten by Bolton "I think it's hilarious personally" sums up the predictability and blandness of the board characature that you've become.

Shame really.

Your accusations of me being bland truly are hilarious. Bless your cotton socks. [:D]

Keep it up, the place wouldn't be the same without you.

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 21/04/2008 15:52
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Sorry for the long delay, been out.

"somethingtodowithdeath, NUFC may be 'building momentum', but teams like West Sham, Reading and City are losing it"

Thats my point, we always compare ourselves with teams who are also struggling, to console ourselves, why can't GS rally the team for the final few games, its not much to ask, and he has nearly two years experience after all.

If we start slow next season Downing will go at the first opportunity, or do we have to give GS half a season the bed the new mid field in ? The lack of urgency by the chairman is also worrying, what he has to remember is that 'he' can be as patient as he wants, the the cost could be a half full stadium and Downing and Wheater going to other clubs ?


karembeu_ca Posted on 21/04/2008 16:01
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death, the end of season deckchairs are a common think with most teams who are not in the botom three, or challenging for spots up top. not sure why we coast, but we always have. if we could fix that attitude, it would likely mean that many others during the season will have been fixed too.

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 21/04/2008 16:09
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Yeah, Selling next season instead of living in the now,thats whats happening, thing is, were not safe yet !

Rememeber GS saying "its the last 6 games that are the most important", so much for that.

Roll on next season, best to go with the clubs spin, its less upsetting.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 16:20
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Mappie?

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 16:25
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What?

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 21/04/2008 16:30
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Me ? No, I've always said I think GS will come good (based on no evidence just a feeling), Map thinks not.

Hope Map is'nt creating some paranoia ?

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 16:37
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15.22

somethingtodowithdeath Posted on 21/04/2008 16:39
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Sorry, I'm lost now, honestly.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 16:43
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Adi
I thought you were harping on about the Ali article, I'll respond tomorrow.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 16:46
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Why not now? You're clearly not too busy.

onthemap Posted on 21/04/2008 16:55
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Adi
I'll happily do this tomorrow, you know me I'm not afraid of posting my opinions but right now I've meetings starting at 5 and if I'm out by 8 I'll be lucky.
If you can send me properties in the London Boroughs below £250k with a decent developer discount I need a 100,I'll forget the meetings and sit on here all night.

You won't believe me but there you go.

You'll last one night.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/04/2008 17:30
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Not sure why you think I wouldn't believe you mappie, it's not as if you've said you're going to meet Gordon Brown to discuss foreign policy followed by a hot date with Kelly Brook, is it? If you have meetings then no problem.

I shall look forward to your response with baited breath.

I'm in London tomorrow negotiating a contract myself though so won't have access to the interweb until tomorrow night at the earliest.

I tell you what - I'll bookmark the link and have a read as soon as I can.

bblf Posted on 21/04/2008 17:31
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Why should we be a Top Ten team Mappy.

Man Utd
Arsenal
Liverpool.
Chelsea.
Everton.
Man City.
Tottenham.
Villa
West Ham.
Newcastle
Sunderland.

All cash rich clubs with much bigger gates than us.

Blackburn .... Similar size with a Multi Billionaire at the helm and a Multi Million pound income from a Trust set up by the last Multi millionaire who owned them.

Portsmouth.....again multi millionaire who puts in loads of dosh but also have a geographical advantage over us.

Which of them 13 clubs should we be doing better than and why.They all have a massive financial advantage over us and in most cases many more fans pouring more money in.



bblf Posted on 21/04/2008 19:07
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no idea then mappy.

Blain87 Posted on 21/04/2008 19:40
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Good point bblf.

We are the 30th biggest town/city in England (I think, I read somewhere) and some of those towns/cities have 2 or more clubs. Add to them the clubs of a similar size to ourselves who have multi-millionaire backing. We have no right to expect to be able to compete with these clubs on a constant basis. We should be targeting competing with those clubs but should not expect it. At best we can expect to be up in the top 10 for a season or two every decade. This has been proved over the last decade, which has been a golden age for MFC.

bblf Posted on 21/04/2008 19:45
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Spot on Blain87. We as supporters have to be realistic while the club aims as high as it possibly can.

karembeu_ca Posted on 21/04/2008 21:42
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thing is though, look at how many points we simply threw away this season - its been criminal. easy top half if we were even remotely clinical and won games where we dominated.

Adi_Dem Posted on 22/04/2008 22:48
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Right mappie, over to you.

Radicaldog Posted on 22/04/2008 22:56
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and realistic! [:)]

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 09:24
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This meeting is going on a bit!

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 13:08
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You're around now - how did your meeting go?

onthemap Posted on 23/04/2008 13:10
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Spit it out.

What is it you feel the need to gush about?

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 13:13
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Errr. What?

onthemap Posted on 23/04/2008 13:15
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You keep asking about my meetings - am I missing something? Tell you what start a new thread on whatever it is troubling you and I'll respond.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 13:25
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I keep asking about your meetings? I asked once didn't I?

It seems you have a dreadful memory. You promised me a response after your meeting and I am still waiting. I'll make it easy for you:

"Firstly mappie, you seem to think that changing one's mind is a sign of weakness but to me taking an entrenched view and sticking with it no matter what evidence is thrown up as time passes is a sign of basic stupidity.

Nonetheless, I don't think you have a point anyway. I would like you to tell me upon which subject you consider I have changed my mind mappie? Come on do enlighten me. You can't and I'll tell you why - I haven't."

onthemap Posted on 23/04/2008 13:32
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Ah ok - it's simple Adi, I go to lots of meetings and come on here in between...anyway.

Changes of mind, apart from your weekly Southgate is good, no he isn't musings.

You argued that Rocky was right for our midfield and then chapioned him and Arca in midfield - now you don't.

You argued George was finished - now you don't

You argued that Ali was the answer up front - presumably you still do?

You argued that Southgate was the right man for the job - now you want to give him one more season.

You argued with me that we'd comfortably beat Sheffield and then beat Cardiff - now you say it was all so obvious why we didn't.

You'll respond no doubt with some "it's not all black and white" or "post everything I ever said up here"

But realistically, if you agreed all along with what I was posting, how come you argued every point?

grantus Posted on 23/04/2008 13:42
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Peoples opinions change along with changing conditions.

Your steadfast refusal to change, to adapt, to take on board other ideas, opinions and circumstances, is akin to King Kanute refusal to believe that he couldn't stop the tide.

(except he knew that all along)

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 13:42
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I still don't understand why you're harping on about meetings. I said that if you had to go to a meeting then that was fine. I only asked how it had gone, there was nothing sinister in the question!

"Changes of mind, apart from your weekly Southgate is good, no he isn't musings."

My opinion has remained constant. You are mistaking me changing my mind for giving credit and criticism where it is due. For clarity, I have never been convinced that Gate is the right man for the job and I am still not convinced. If it was up to me there would be someone else managing the club. My first choice was MON. However, that does not preclude me from giving Southgate credit when I think he deserves it.

"You argued that Rocky was right for our midfield and then chapioned him and Arca in midfield - now you don't."

Again, that is inaccurate. I still think that they are capable of being a good pair. I still think both are good players. I accept that there has been a dip in form. The reason I haven't talked about them is simple - neither have really been playing. What do you want me to do, post an Arca/Rocky thread every week?

"You argued George was finished - now you don't"

Yes I do actually. I said so in a recent thread. He is, it's as simple as that. Once again though I do give him credit for his recent form, which has been very good.

"You argued that Ali was the answer up front - presumably you still do?"

The answer to what? Again, you either deliberately or just through a lack of reading skill haven't understood what I have said. Ali has never and will never be prolific. Always said that and will maintain that. I do think he is a good striker. I do think he deserves to play. I do think he and Alves will be the best option as a partnership. If that means I hail him as "the answer" then so be it.

"You argued that Southgate was the right man for the job - now you want to give him one more season."

That makes no sense but I think what you're trying to say is that I argued he wasn't the right man for the job and now suggest he deserves one more year. Again, not true. What I actually posted was that he will inevitably be given one more year by Gibson and so we may as well get behind him and judge him next year.

"You argued with me that we'd comfortably beat Sheffield and then beat Cardiff - now you say it was all so obvious why we didn't."

No I didn't. That is simply untrue - all of it.

So, in summary mappie, I have genuinely held opinions, some of which differ from your own. I can accept that. Can you?

onthemap Posted on 23/04/2008 13:47
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I can accept you're opinions Adi no problem, I'm the one that gets the abuse on here when I post.

grantus spent last week telling me I was an idiot for even suggesting we'd been in a relegation battle this season.

He's back on now telling the world how he changes his mind like the wind whenever he gets it wrong, ie every single football related thing he posts.

He's even reverting to posts with me in the subject title to gain some credibility, maybe I should email him off the board with a few predictions and let him post them before they pan out?


Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 13:49
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So you accept you were wrong then and that I haven't been changing my mind?

I repeat, having said that, that it is a sign of intelligence and maturity to change one's mind in the face of evidence that proves one wrong, but that just isn't the case yet.

By the way, believe it or not, you don't get abuse for the content of your opinions, you really don't.

grantus Posted on 23/04/2008 13:52
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You really are a fool sometimes.

When did I say that I change my mind like the wind? When have I not owned up to being wrong (which isn't often, but I have).

You seem to think that you know more about football than anyone. Fine, mappy, you continue with that, whatever floats your boat.

Credibility? By associating myself with the likes of you? [:D]

Village Idiots generally don't realise that they are idiots either.

onthemap Posted on 23/04/2008 13:56
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grantus
Start a post with something about you in the thread and see how far it goes.

Adi
For someone who doesn't change their mind much you do post a lot about things not being black and white, and there's always a lot of posters on here accusing you of changing your opinion.

You build up the manager whilst slating him and vice versa, it's a way of not committing.

grantus just looks for what those who humour him post and goes along with it.

grantus Posted on 23/04/2008 13:57
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mappy, I you'll find my strike rate is comparable to anyones'.

not that I give a toss anyway.

You're becoming more and more of a poisionious little henchman mappy.

Lighten up.

onthemap Posted on 23/04/2008 13:59
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Of course not, that's why you throw a hissy when I ignore you and revert to posts with me in the title when no-one listens to your advice on the opposite sex.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 14:28
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The only poster that accuses me of changing my mind mappie, is you. I agree that I am forever trying to convince you that not everything is as black and white as you seem to think it is. I stand by that.

Do you seriously think that just because I don't think Southgate is the right man for the job that I should never give him any credit or praise him no matter what he does? I just can't agree with you if that is the case.

No, I don't think he is a good manager but yes I do think he has got some things right and he deserves credit when he does.

I genuinely can't see why you would think that means I have changed my mind. I might do one day. If, next season, we end up in 6th place and we win a cup I would be the first one on here congratulating him and conceding that I was completely wrong about him.

onthemap Posted on 23/04/2008 14:33
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Same as me Adi - except in the emantime I'll post an opinion.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 14:35
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So you are now suggesting that I don't post an opinion?

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 16:16
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Well?

onthemap Posted on 23/04/2008 16:17
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Adi
Would you pay a premium if I promised you some sort of access to my thoughts.
Say a fiver a month?

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/04/2008 16:38
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Just a simple question mappie.

grantus Posted on 23/04/2008 16:46
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"hissy when I ignore you"
"no-one listens to your advice on the opposite sex"
"grantus just looks for what those who humour him post and goes along with it"
"grantus spent last week telling me I was an idiot for even suggesting we'd been in a relegation battle this season."
"He's back on now telling the world how he changes his mind like the wind whenever he gets it wrong, ie every single football related thing he posts."
"He's even reverting to posts with me in the subject title to gain some credibility, maybe I should email him off the board with a few predictions and let him post them before they pan out?"

All figments of your imagination - you should go to the doctor and get checked out for syphilis, you've completely lost the plot and are living ina deluded dream world.

grantus Posted on 23/04/2008 16:59
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onthemap said "No one listened to Galileo either."

[:D]

Got to admit, you do make me laugh sometimes.

Boromart Posted on 23/04/2008 16:59
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Jsut give up Adi. Mappy doesn't like to answer questions because his lack of intellect is exposed as he attempts and fails in his logical gymnastics.

karembeu_ca Posted on 23/04/2008 17:58
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ffs, he doesnt answer them straight up because he is trying to get reactions. thats why he posts the threads he does with the deliberately provocative titles etc.

between mappie and adi, Rob will be on a yacht in the south of france by the end of Southgate's reign [:D]

Adi_Dem Posted on 06/05/2008 10:06
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He hasn't made an appearance yet has he?

onthemap Posted on 06/05/2008 10:17
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Sorry, life got in the way.
Tuncay top scorer,who'd have thought?

Didn't see a second of any football over the weekend so was it a good perfomance?

Adi_Dem Posted on 06/05/2008 10:18
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I just missed you mappie, that's all.

Good performance, good result, finish around 13th just as I predicted [;)]

onthemap Posted on 06/05/2008 10:19
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This is going to be a rara day isn't it?

Bandy will be about no doubt telling the world what a smashing season it's been.

Adi_Dem Posted on 06/05/2008 10:22
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A rara day? Not sure what that is but generally speaking I think everyone, even the manager, now accepts that it's been a poor season. We need to improve dramatically next season and Gareth knows it.

onthemap Posted on 06/05/2008 10:31
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Typical Boro really, the results the main thing but I can't help feeling as if it's all papering over the cracks at the moment.

Scrote Posted on 06/05/2008 10:38
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according to you and your ilk we've been papering over the cracks for the last 5 years and we've been in 2 cup finals and the premier league in that time

lets hope we can paper over the cracks for another decade in the top flight

onthemap Posted on 06/05/2008 10:42
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and according to you scrote we're top 5 material.

I just told you what would happen this season mate, now trot off and study your Gazette.

Scrote Posted on 06/05/2008 10:48
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no - according to me we could have finished in the top 10 which i revised downwards after yakubu left - i got it more or less spot on

we've not been brilliant but we've never been in any real danger of going down (mathematiacal danger yes but are you putting your mortgage on bolton being relegated at the weekend?)

we need to push on next year but i won't make any predictions until i've seen who comes in and who leaves - no doubt i'll be closer to the mark at the end of next season than you again

onthemap Posted on 06/05/2008 10:56
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Scrote be honest.

What I post just sticks in your throat.
I won't list this years again, but put a few bob on what I tell you next year and the winnings will at least help with the bile.

Adi_Dem Posted on 06/05/2008 11:11
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And that, in a nutshell, mappie is why you are not treat with respect or taken seriously.

You've got next to nothing right this season other than predicted a lower half finish. Hardly makes you Nostradamus does it?

grantus Posted on 06/05/2008 11:15
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Galileo [:D]

onthemap Posted on 06/05/2008 11:47
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Adi
Are you feeling particularly insecure this morning or something? You normally at least tell me everything I post was obvious all along.

Adi_Dem Posted on 06/05/2008 11:50
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Do I? The only thing I've referred to as obvious is our final league placing. I said 12th -14th and you said escaping relegation by the skin of our teeth.

Apart from that I don't think you've been proven correct on much, if anything, have you?