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vuvuzelas Posted on 31/03/2012 17:38
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He couldnt reiterate that it wasnt a criticism of our home support enough but he did say that it genuinely helps the players get the extra adrenaline boost when you have almost full stadiums and a loud backing.

He compared it to the Brighton crowd today when they had an almost full stadium and the place was bouncing. He thinks it helps the team immensely and Craig Hignett completely agreed with his comments.


Jutkiewicz Posted on 31/03/2012 17:39
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Well they should reduce the prices then.

TopQual Posted on 31/03/2012 17:40
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I agree with him.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 31/03/2012 17:46
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'He compared it to the Brighton crowd today when they had an almost full stadium and the place was bouncing.'

The result was the same as ours last week, a 1-1 draw and a disappoining end for the home fans.

The crowd made no difference to the result.

1finny Posted on 31/03/2012 17:47
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Corcaigh
You nailed that sir [^]

billy_bigsworth Posted on 31/03/2012 17:47
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I agree with him too, but generally when we have had good crowds we've been rubbish.

despite beating hull at home, we were gash that game.

the only time I can really recall us performing in front of a good crowd was sunderland.

its give and take.

but our home support is pretty rubbish.

bigdaftdave Posted on 31/03/2012 17:49
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it was a cheap shot at the "fans" imo.

the football is dire,the prices are to high.

jam69 Posted on 31/03/2012 17:49
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In the middle of the biggest recession in years the clubs answer to filling empty seats is to ask those who pay in the day to cough up a extra 50%,the PR at the club is awful

Holgatewall Posted on 31/03/2012 17:53
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I'll go next week if they make it a tenner.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 31/03/2012 17:58
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He's got a cheek

If he didn't have the team playing rubbish football at home maybe more would turn up. Brighton play a attacking style at home and set-up to have a go at teams.

Our fans are bored 95% of a match because we spend most of the game huffing and puffing and lumping high balls to the front 2.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 31/03/2012 18:04
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'In the middle of the biggest recession in years the clubs answer to filling empty seats is to ask those who pay in the day to cough up a extra 50%,the PR at the club is awful'

[^]

What happened to the Community Club?

Unbelievable_jeff Posted on 31/03/2012 18:06
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Im moggas biggest fan but them comments werent needed in my opinion. I havent seen a home game this season i have genuinely enjoyed.

theborobarmy Posted on 31/03/2012 18:13
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the whole matcday experience is dire . People have found better things to do with their time

bill_door Posted on 31/03/2012 18:14
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"Mowbrays comments regarding our home support"

Weren't his comments actually about Brighton's home support?

vuvuzelas Posted on 31/03/2012 18:14
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In all fairness the atmosphere in our ground is dreadful. For whatever reason it just is IMO. I agree that the football hasnt been good enough and an area like teesside just cant find a huge number of fans who can pay the sort of prices we charge but either way the atmosphere is poor.

When listening to him I genuinely did'nt get the impression that he was slating the fans or blaming us but simply pointing out that the atmosphere and the lack of buzz inside the ground was taking the edge off for the players.

leroy Posted on 31/03/2012 18:15
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his comments are spot on, the atmosphere at home, even when were playing well, is pathetic. The best 2 home performances in recent years were mackams/geordies at home becuase the ground was packed and bouncing

Unbelievable_jeff Posted on 31/03/2012 18:16
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I dont think he was having a go at the fans. I just think there is a big difference between our home and away fans. Not just in number terms i mean how they back the team.

vuvuzelas Posted on 31/03/2012 18:17
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No bill he was asked by the presenter about why he thinks we have struggled at home this season. He didnt just comment about the Brighton crowd he also said that he thought the crowd helped drag the team over the finish line in a tough game against hull and brought a kick to the team at home against a premier league form team in sunderland.

bill_door Posted on 31/03/2012 18:30
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Fair enough.

It's true that the atmosphere at home matches is rubbish and most players/managers will tell you that a bigger crowd makes a difference.

Only thing I would say is that we've won plenty of games in the last year despite small crowds and even those 'small' crowds have pulled us over the line with the atmosphere generated urging the team on - the late win again Coventry last season when Kink scored and McManus' late equaliser against Leicester being prime examples.

But even that isn't happening this season because most people have been bored too often.

vuvuzelas Posted on 31/03/2012 18:33
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Some of the football at home has been dreadful this season and I dont think mogga puts this down to the fans.

For me its a case of does the team need to find motivation from the crowd or do the crowd need to find motivation from the team?

sasboro1 Posted on 31/03/2012 18:36
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The reason ehy we struggle at home down to the type of players we have. Too many defensive slow non scoring midfielders. Not enough pacey creative scoring midfielders. So away from home we pack the midfield and get behind the ball and make it hard for teams to break us down, at home this wont work and results in more draws because other teams sit back for a point. We dont have the players to do it at home where you need to have pace,creativity and movement further upfield.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 31/03/2012 18:39
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They can take a pay cut then if they want to play infront of bigger crowds.

Are these players being paid to count seats?

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 31/03/2012 18:40
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he should ask to play our home games at darlo, we should fill that![;)]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 31/03/2012 18:42
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Regardless of how much players get paid, they react to the atmosphere and backing from the fans.

You could argue that the players need to get the crowd going, you could also argue that ticket prices are too expensive, you maybe could suggest that the hard core create a better atmosphere without the floating, more critical fans.

Personally I think Mogga is 100% correct, albeit he chooses his words very carefully to avoid what would be an obvious backlash of opinion.

Its a fact that we sold out at this level last time round, when prices were significantly more expensive and attendances this season have been poor for a team fighting at the top end of the table.

No doubt somebody will post that the crowds this season are the norm for us, well I don't buy into that argument - the club has shown it can sell out at this level and there's no reason why it cant do it again.

sasboro1 Posted on 31/03/2012 18:50
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We have lost more games away than at home. We have gained only 3 points more on our travels than at home. The problem is we have drawn too many at home and this is down to the type of midfielders we have and how we play at home. Which is more like how you would play at away games.

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 18:52
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Mogga is spot on. We have six games to go, with potentially the biggest game of the season next weekend and if we get a bumper crowd it could make all the difference.

Hopefully most of those that went on Boxing Day will turn up and it will spur the players on. Far too many excuses not enough getting behind the team.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 31/03/2012 18:54
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The biggest crowd this season, by some distance, saw our most inspired and motivated performance vs Sunderland.

joseph99 Posted on 31/03/2012 18:54
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Does Mowbray think that ticket prices are good value for money?

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 19:00
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I would think so yes, as like most Boro fans, he will think that 16 per game is great value [^]

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 19:00
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"it was a cheap shot at the "fans" imo."

No it wasn't, it was an honest assessment. the backing from our fans at home is awful.

And how people who don't go to the game can get offended by these comments is beyond me.

Perhaps if Brighton had a half empty ground today we would have come away with a one nil win.

joseph99 Posted on 31/03/2012 19:01
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It's 14/27 quid for a kid/adult

BreakTheWallsDown Posted on 31/03/2012 19:03
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Reduce the capacity to 20k and it will be full, Just like today[^]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 31/03/2012 19:03
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Its actually less than 5 a game for kids with a ST.

joseph99 Posted on 31/03/2012 19:07
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Oh right. So you can buy a season ticket until the end of the season?

gaz_boropistol Posted on 31/03/2012 19:08
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The PR at the riverside i agree is poor.There should be more ways of publicising boro and offering ways in which to entice the fans back. However I am sick of the fickle fans who complain at the match, the ones who have only had a season ticket for 2/3 seasons.Have had a season ticket since the riverside was built and travel up from nottingham to nearly every home game.So all you fickle fans out there get off your backsides and support the boro.

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 19:12
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3 home games left starting next week. The club should be saying to fans 10 a match for adults, 5 for kids get a full house, get the place rocking and make a real push to get into the playoffs.

Alternatively, we could charge 50% on top of full whack, get 15k and watch our season fizzle out.

I wonder what our community club will choose to do.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 31/03/2012 19:16
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Mogga has it spot on, the 12th man can make a difference at times but it does not equate to whether the team wins or not. Too many factors in that including lady luck, tactics, the quality of refereeing and the players on the park (home and away).

Stadium is just too big for the championship, and unfortunately at Boro I suspect for the PL as well now that the big name supporters have gone. Though I still don't think we'll go up this season, it would be very interesting to see whether there is much permanence to the swell in home crowd numbers, or if it is on a match basis (top 5 teams).

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 31/03/2012 19:16
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"Oh right. So you can buy a season ticket until the end of the season"

FFS

joseph99 Posted on 31/03/2012 19:20
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I do not think forking out 43 quid for an adult and child is that enticing Tony for non ST holders.

Hancc Posted on 31/03/2012 19:20
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I do think that we have major problems with the home crowd, both the low numbers and poor atmosphere. Neither are helped by the high prices or poor football.

However, I do think it's odd for Mogga to come out with this kind of stuff at this time. He should be trying to get us united as one, not trying to deflect criticism of him onto the supporters. I'm very worried about how it appears he's starting to crack under the pressure.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 31/03/2012 19:20
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Each time your on tv its a chance to show the stayways what they're missing and entice them back.

Watford we won 1-0 but it is awful

Bristol we won 1-0 but were poor

Leeds we lost 2-0 and was one of the worst performances in years

West Ham we drew 1-1 but apart from the last 10 minutes was a poor spectacle

Our biggest crowd at home was Hull, we won 1-0 but again it was awful and we barely created a chance, the goal came from nothing

Is it any wonder the stay away fans don't comeback, when they see is on TV they see nothing has changed since Southgate was here interms of how we play so why would they part with their hard earned cash to see more of it?

The fans are clearly rejecting Mowbray's negative cautious style of play at home

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 19:21
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Unfortunately I don't think 10 for adults and a fiver for kids would make much of a difference. People have to want to go. Most of the fans who used to go would rather wander round Teesside Park all afternoon or sit in some sh1tehole pub.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 31/03/2012 19:23
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Exactly [rle]

The_Clique Posted on 31/03/2012 19:24
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Bunch of whingeing, lying, moaning XXXXXXs anyway.

Reduce te prices and most that are missing still wouldn't turn up.

Mogga deserves support, most don['t bnother.

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/03/2012 19:26
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The other problem is is that when the club do get supporters who want to be vocal and get behind the team they either; send a letter out telling them to sit down and shut up, or, bring in bouncers to sling anyone out who they don't like the look of.

boronutter Posted on 31/03/2012 19:27
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very true pogatetz[sad]

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 19:27
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FFS get a grip.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 31/03/2012 19:28
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Improve the style of football and win more games at home and alot of fans will return

Simple

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 31/03/2012 19:30
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"Bunch of whingeing, lying, moaning XXXXXXs anyway.

Reduce te prices and most that are missing still wouldn't turn up.

Mogga deserves support, most don['t bnother"

Seconded!

swordtrombonefish Posted on 31/03/2012 19:30
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Thirded

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 19:32
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Do you remember when the Riverside was sold out?

It's a shame many of those dedicated fans have fallen on hard times.

But weren't things difficult then as well?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 31/03/2012 19:34
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The price simply doesn't reflect the quality we're watching though

I'm a season ticket holder and have enjoyed very little of this seasons, it's asif Southgate never left

BoroFur Posted on 31/03/2012 19:35
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"The biggest crowd this season, by some distance, saw our most inspired and motivated performance vs Sunderland."

I thought our biggest crowd of the season was home to Hull on Boxing Day.

I can tell you, that match wasn't very good either but that the fact that we scored a wonderful last gasp winner papered over a lot of deficiencies in the team's/manager's attitude to home games.

We could get 28,000 at home to Cardiff and the performance could be as dismal as those against Burnley, Leeds, Reading, West Ham etc.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 31/03/2012 19:36
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Prices are actually cheaper than that season barnsy.

I know there's a recession, but for many its just a convenient excuse.

sasboro1 Posted on 31/03/2012 19:39
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Been spoilt in the cup final years and club is paying the consequences of chasing the dream with huge debts. Fans expectarions have been raised by the galaxy of international players we had. Now a lot of the fans cant handle what happening and want to dump the club until the next juninho arrives. Part timers really and expect most of them will be at wembley of we make it.

Edwin Posted on 31/03/2012 19:40
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The football this season has been, in most part, turgid at home. Thats the main reason gates are poor.

May be Mogga should address the failure to beat Cov, Pompey, Bristol C etc first, before questioning the support.

Spacedak79 Posted on 31/03/2012 19:40
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Reduce the prices then by a fiver, is that too easy for them?
Problem solved.
Think mogga and Gibson need a reality check!!!![:(!]

George1507 Posted on 31/03/2012 19:41
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I'd do anything and everything, including giving tickets away, to get a 30K crowd in the next two home games. Maybe you get a play off ticket for price if you can produce a stub for Cardiff and Doncaster.

They are two must win games.

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 19:51
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"Reduce the prices then by a fiver, is that too easy for them?
Problem solved.
Think mogga and Gibson need a reality check!!!!"

[rle] as already stated that won't make a bit of difference. People have to want to go, unfortunately many would rather do something else.

vuvuzelas Posted on 31/03/2012 20:00
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I dont think Mogga was trying to insult any of our supporters. He has said on plenty of occasions in the past that he understands people have fallen on hard times and cannot afford to go.

The difference between turning a loss into a draw or a draw into a win is minicule most of the time. It is up to Mowbray toget the best out of the players we have. Im sure he accepts this and mega wages in football should also help. However there is no doubt in my mind that playing in front of a large crowd in a stadium that is buzzing will bring an extra 4 or 5% out of the players that would turn alot of results in our favour.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 31/03/2012 20:02
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"May be Mogga should address the failure to beat Cov, Pompey, Bristol C etc first, before questioning the support."

Sense at last [^]

The_Clique Posted on 31/03/2012 20:37
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Since when has going to a Boro match been about entertainment or guaranteed results?

Most of you young folk don't have the right frame of mind. Probs didn't go in the holgate as a nipper.

Get a XXXXXXing grip, it's not strictly come dancing.

outoftowned Posted on 31/03/2012 20:48
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if it is THAT important .. maybe the players would have a whip round to subsidise the ticket cost.....


HolgateCorner Posted on 31/03/2012 20:50
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I think the simple fact is that a lot of borderline fans just aren't convinced by this team.

Too many draws and not enough goals.

There's no rocket science behind the low crowds and flat atmospheres particularly after the season started so well.

The_Clique Posted on 31/03/2012 20:53
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Rubbish. Mackems turn up and its a full house. Boxing Day to break up the XXXXXX up and its a full house. Premier League and its a full house.

Its simple we have a core fanmbase and the rest are made up mainly of part time, half fans.

WoodallServices Posted on 31/03/2012 20:58
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The reason is at away matches people are with their mates creating good atmosphere before the game even starts, rather than enduring Boro's overbearing social engineering in a vain attempt to make a family crowd atmospheric!!
Village Fete's are nice, but don't exactly get the pulse racing do they?

Spacedak79 Posted on 31/03/2012 20:58
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The cat[^] bang on!!!

VeeCee Posted on 31/03/2012 21:01
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Brighton/Boro. The catchment area in population terms is not that different..The difference is money. I have family there and visit quite a bit. It's a lively place. They don't call it London-by-sea for nothing. It always feels like there's plenty of money around.

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 21:09
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At the end of the day, Middlesbrough Football Club is an entertainment business, which is there to attract customers.

If Flamingo lands gates were only half full, the guy responsible would have to do something about it or be sacked, if a resteraunt isnt filling its bookings and not bringing in money, someone loses there job, or they do something about it to attract more people.

What are MFC doing?

XXXXXX ALL.

What's on offer is rubish and costs too much.

Gibson built the ground as big as it is for Premiership football, well Mr Gibson we aren't in the Premiership, and your not making any spectacular effort to get us back there.

The crowds we get are what the club deserves. Until they do something about it, entertainment wise, or price wise, why will anything change?




The_Clique Posted on 31/03/2012 21:20
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Exactly the problem. Comparing going to the Boro to Flamingo Land, calling it an entertainment business. All rubbish. Utter XXXXXX. People that think like that just aren't fans. Simple as that.

sasboro1 Posted on 31/03/2012 21:25
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"Gibson built the ground as big as it is for Premiership football, well Mr Gibson we aren't in the Premiership, and your not making any spectacular effort to get us back there."

He is propping the club up at 1m a month isnt he? What else should he be doing?

pierrequiroule Posted on 31/03/2012 21:25
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@ Clique. Well, they may not be the fans that you recall at Ayresome, but times have changed, society has changed and the fan base has changed.

I know where you're coming from because I did my time in the Holgate, but expecting people to turn up because it's THEIR team doesn't seem to wash with the younger generations. There's too much else going on to distract them and take their money.

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 21:28
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I honestly can't believe the way some of our so called fans are going on tonight. Anyone would think we were bottom of the league and not in the play off places having just drawn away from home against the team directly above us.

The_Clique Posted on 31/03/2012 21:30
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Just can't get my head round it Pierre, really can't. I'm a proper grumpy old man about it. Bloody younguns, get some backbone!

bill_door Posted on 31/03/2012 21:32
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"@ Clique. Well, they may not be the fans that you recall at Ayresome, but times have changed, society has changed and the fan base has changed.

I know where you're coming from because I did my time in the Holgate, but expecting people to turn up because it's their team doesn't seem to wash with the younger generations. There's too much else going on to distract them and take their money."

That's all true.

There are plenty of people who can afford to go and choose not to, and that's fair enough. Knocking the price down to 20 would only bring a small portion of them back because, as you say, there are plenty of other things to do. The fact is that there are only one or two teams in this division who have played good football all season, good enough to be worthy of their time and commitment. So, XXXXXX them.

sambaDTR Posted on 31/03/2012 21:37
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OK so I go in the pub tonight and try to convince everybody to go to the match against Cardiff. They know I go to every home game so ask "It's 27 to get in isn't it? Anyway what's the matches been like?". "Well to be honest they've been crap, we don't score goals, can't keep a clean sheet, pass the ball sidewards and backwards, never get to the byline, can't score off corners or free kicks and I am scared stiff we are going to get beat by Cardiff". I think I'd better keep quiet and let them make their own minds up!

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 21:40
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Whether we would get a sell out crowd or not if the prices were reduced might be debatable, what is surely not debatable is that the club have to do at lot more to get stay away fans through the turnstiles.

The current pricing regime does not encourage walk up fans. When you've lost 10,000 fans in 5 years then it is the fans that decide to go on the day that the club need to appeal to.

Punishing them by charging a walloping excess on top of a normal price tickets acts as a disincentive.

Reduce the prices and more fans will attend, as surely as night follows day.

The_Clique Posted on 31/03/2012 21:42
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I don't think they would. I thinkit would make next to no difference.

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 21:45
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If it makes no difference then the club might as well charge the fans that currently go an extra 10 each since you would all probably pay it anyway. Perhaps that will be the pricing model in the future, accept crowds of 15k but screw them for every penny.

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 21:47
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Even if it was free most of you miserable ba5tards would rather wander round Peter Barrats all afternoon.

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 21:48
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Now you're being silly. If it was free entry you would have 35,000 each and every week and it is ludicrous to suggest otherwise.

The_Clique Posted on 31/03/2012 21:49
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Boo hoo, I want to be entertained, I want to always win, I want it cheap, I want my seat warming, a blanket and a cup of cocoa.

XXXXXXoff.

Judge_Mental Posted on 31/03/2012 21:51
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Hopefully Mowbray will be gone at the end of the season and we can get a proper manager in. Di Matteo should be available for example.

red_shamrock Posted on 31/03/2012 21:51
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The crowds are good,15k for this division.

LingdaleLegend Posted on 31/03/2012 21:52
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"Now you're being silly. If it was free entry you would have 35,000 each and every week and it is ludicrous to suggest otherwise.
"

indeed

a fine balance is required


and as mogga seems to of said in interview that attendances effect results surely it makes financial sense to pack em in at any (lack)of cost

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 21:52
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And unless we sign Messi and Ronaldo I'll be asking for my season ticket money back...

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 21:58
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"Now you're being silly. If it was free entry you would have 35,000 each and every week and it is ludicrous to suggest otherwise."

Hardly ludicrous. I know of a number of people who have had spare/free ST's this season (including myself) and couldn't give them away. It was a tenner vs Shrewsbury and we only got about 12k. It was 20 vs Sunderland and even then we didn't sell out.

Some of you seem to think you should be paid to attend.

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 22:01
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"...g in a vain attempt to make a family crowd atmospheric!!
Village Fete's are nice, but don't exactly get the pulse racing do they?"

Is this unusual to the Boro? If you go to the away games you will no that most home crowds (eg Cardiff, Forest, Leicester, ) are pretty quiet places to be.

Millwall is quite atmospheric, but that is largely due to being a small, tight ground.

offside-again Posted on 31/03/2012 22:02
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The price argument is bullsh1t as it's as plain as the nose on your fcae that if we go up, the price would go up yet we'd still avg around 25k, eben if the football on show was fairly poor and we were losing plenty.

You trying to tell me that we'd avg 17k in the PL EVEN if prices stayed the same(which of course they would not).

It all comes down to the 12-15k fans who are spoiled 'brats' who refuse to attend unless we are in the top flight. We have 15k brilliant fans and 15k spoilt f uckers and about 5k who simply can't afford it irrespective of which league we are in.

I do feel for those 5k, but the rest need to take a long hard look at themselves, it's OUR club and we need to get back up, bank some cash pay off the debt and who knows, we could still stay up with some shrewd buys.

C'mon people we have a few home games left, what better way to inspire the side to the play offs than to get 25k for each of the remaining games.

You know it makes sense. We could even do a give your mate a tenner promotion/idea to help those who are currently struggling with the ticket. I'd do it, would you do it ?

The club NEEDS to make the play offs, it would get a buzz round the town again and boy do we need it.

25k, it would certainly not do us any harm and could just be that crucial 5% extra that is the difference between winning and drawing/losing.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 31/03/2012 22:04
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"I honestly can't believe the way some of our so called fans are going on tonight".

I can.

The clubs smelt the coffee today. Promotion now is all but lost. Parachute payments p1ssed away . Where other relegated clubs (Newcastle, Westham) spent wisely, we did not. From now on in it only gets harder.

Therefore in typical MFC fashion it's time to get in early and blame the local area.

It's the legions of middle class people in town with tons of disposable income who are to blame. [rle]

Spare a thought for our footballers, they don't like playing in-front of red seats. It's all our fault.

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:06
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Whatever you gold medal wearing superb loyal fantastic fans think, the FACT is the club are wrong and making mistakes, because THEY are not selling THEIR seats to their football matches.

Like any other company/business, what are they doing to address the problem?

NOTHING!!!

If anything they are forcing fans to stay away.

I've had a season ticket for many years on the bounce in the past, I love the club regardless of what you superfans think. But I can't justify paying the money and don't enjoy the games.

Until the club make it more appealing I'll go to the odd game that excites me like the Sunderland cup game did.

And you superfans can kiss my arse while I walk round Peter Barretts with my family on a weekend spending money on things I want to.
[:X]




The_Clique Posted on 31/03/2012 22:06
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Promotion is all but lost?

Is it? Didn't realise season was over. Time for me summer jollies.

outoftowned Posted on 31/03/2012 22:07
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sunderland prices, plus a bit of pr, would get 25k

WoodallServices Posted on 31/03/2012 22:07
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But I want to watch the match with my mates, not someone else's mam!!!!! And god forbid my own mam[cr]
I have plenty of mates who rarely go to the Riverside anymore, but will quite happily spend far more money for away matches/weekends.
Ten of you together cheering on or slagging off Boro, makes for a far better atmosphere than all of you spread all over the riverside.

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 22:09
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Has anyone mentioned Superfans? Calm down dear.


The_Clique Posted on 31/03/2012 22:10
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Forcing you to stay away! XXXXXX off. Club doing nowt! What do you want them to do? Lay rose petals from your doorstep to your seat?

You sound like a right pussy. If you can afford it just get to the game and stop XXXXXXing moaning.

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:10
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[:X]

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/03/2012 22:11
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"Boo hoo, I want to be entertained, I want to always win, I want it cheap, I want my seat warming, a blanket and a cup of cocoa.
XXXXXXoff."


They already have, have you not been to the Riverside recently?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 31/03/2012 22:12
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I'll eat my hat if we get promoted now, even if we scrape the play offs.

We're not good enough, simple as f*cking that.

The club knows it so yes, time for plan B. Blame the locals.

Time to write another double edged 'we get the club we deserve' speech.

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 22:14
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The miserable fans are the ones on here who are saying don't bother to cut the price of tickets because no-one will bother to turn up anyway.

6 games to the end of the season, 8 games till Wembley, 9 till the Premier League. Tickets for a tenner, kids go for free, bring your family, your dad, your gran. Dress in red, bring a flag, make some noise.

Get the town worked up, involve the press, one last push ...

You would get 30,000.

Instead, you miserable gets say don't cut the cost of coming because no-one will come anyway. Lets sit in a half empty stadium watching our season fizzle out and blame the stay away fans.

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:14
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I can't afford to go week in week out, or at least I have better things to spend the money on.

Football in general is too expensive. But I don't see Gibson, who believes in the town and the people being together as a community, attempting to make it more affordable for one of the poorest towns in the country during hard times.

Plus, our home record speaks for itself, XXXXXX attitude by the players who earn a fortune.

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 22:15
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Renrut:

"I've had a season ticket for many years on the bounce in the past, I love the club regardless of what you superfans think. But I can't justify paying the money and don't enjoy the games."


I dare say by 'in the past' you mean when someone was pouring copious amounts of money into the club to sign superstars.

Suddenly it became fashionable to be a Boro fan. I, and many others knew it wouldn't last, at the first sign of disappointment the dummies started to leave the pram.


pierrequiroule Posted on 31/03/2012 22:17
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"The clubs smelt the coffee today. Promotion now is all but lost."

Hang on a minute, at the start of the season only the most optimistic fans thought we'd make the playoffs and Mowbray himself certainly never 'expected' to be promoted,. There's quite a lot of revisionism going on tonight.

the_holgate_roof Posted on 31/03/2012 22:18
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So what is Mogga planning to do about it?

joseph99 Posted on 31/03/2012 22:18
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My first match was a night match in 1973/4 season against Bolton. I got a squeezie at the turnstile as I could not afford the prices as I am from a large family and my dad was unemployed.

I was alone but stood in the middle of the Holgate. The experience, atmoshere, togetherness, rawness was utterly magical and I caught the bug. Nowadays it must be difficult for kids to fall in love with the ocassion as it's so anodyne and forgettable.

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:19
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Since Lenny Lawrence to Gordon Strachan actually [^]

I spend more days watching Billingham Synthonia now, not because of the endless amounts of cash and cup finals, but because its 5 in.

So guess again.

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 22:20
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Good god, can you imagine if we'd lost today?? The samaritans must be busy tonight!

Senor_Chester Posted on 31/03/2012 22:21
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Renrut [^]

Barnsy [:o)]

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 22:22
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Smell the coffee son.

We're in a hard up area and most people have to work bloody hard to scratch the livings that they do. If they are paying to watch the Boro then more than likely they are having to make sacrifices elsewhere.

When the football being served up is dross then eventually people are going to start voting with their feet and make the judgment that the money they have earned is better spent elsewhere.

The clubs response is to charge these fans more if they want to follow the team on a match by match basis. Hardly an incentive is it? In fact, I've long since come to the conclusion that those running our club are as dumb as f**k, even without that nice Mr Lamb behind the scenes.

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:22
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Its not really about todays result though is it. It was a good point.

This is an on going thing. But like someone said above, why has not attempt been made to get fans to the last few games for a promotion push? Just 3 or 4 games with a sell out and an incentive of a final ticket if we got to Wembley.

Missed out big time. Do the club even want promotion or big crowds?

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 22:24
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With the correct nurturing and encouragement it must still be possible to bring on the fans of the future.

I was in the Swatters bfore the last home game early on. There was a lad of about 13 with his family, local accents, and he was wearing a Chelsea shirt and tracksuit.

This type of situation is so sad. How can he wear those colours with any pride?

Bringing a kid up to support someone else's team (and that team will always be someone else's!) is pathetic.

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:26
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How can a parent afford to take not only themselves but 2-3 kids to a game, your talking hundreds of pounds.

That is why the kid who sits at home watching Soccer Saturday is wearing a Chelsea top.

parmo69 Posted on 31/03/2012 22:27
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if we get to the playoffs i wonder how many poeple will suddenly be able to afford it? [8)]

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 22:29
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And that is why Renrut in the final analysis we are anything but a community club. Visiting some sick kids in hospital means nothing if those kids then can't afford to see the team play.

byrno Posted on 31/03/2012 22:29
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"Its not really about todays result though is it."

It's certaiy touched a nerve and caused an overreaction from quite a few though.

I'd love to see a full house for the last few home games, but even if tickets were a tenner a game I doubt there'd be too many more through the turnstiles.



Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:30
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I will, damn right I will, but why should I have to pay and sit through boring atmosphereless afternoons in order to earn he right?

If I want to choose my games I will, I'm not going to choose the XXXXXX ones am I?

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 22:31
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"That is why the kid who sits at home watching Soccer Saturday is wearing a Chelsea top."

I don't follow the logic!

Is it cheaper to go and see someone else's team then?

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:31
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'And that is why Renrut in the final analysis we are anything but a community club. Visiting some sick kids in hospital means nothing if those kids then can't afford to see the team play.'

[^]
exactly

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:33
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Barnsey, when they sit at home being dictated to by Sky, how are they ever going to fall in love with Boro. When have Sky ever given a damn about us?

It's all about the big 4 or 5 who are on TV every week.

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 22:35
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No it is cheaper to sit on the sofa than go to the games but if you have Sky TV you're going to get saturated coverage of Chelsea, Man U etc and the 6 year old kid on the sofa is more likely to know who Torres, Gerrard and Rooney are than Hoyte, Bailey and Emnes.

Now give that kid a free ticket to come and watch the Boro if his Dad pays a tenner for himself and instead of wondering how Liverpool will get on tomorrow he might instead start looking forward to next Saturday, when his Dad is going to take him to watch a 'proper' football match. Just like my Dad did with me and maybe your Dad did with you.

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 22:38
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I know that, but I don't see why having Sky should lead a family to buy a full kit representing a team many miles away.

There is obviously no desire to stick with their local team, and so the rich get stronger ....

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 22:40
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rivals_oldschool Posted on 31/03/2012 22:44
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"Hang on a minute, at the start of the season only the most optimistic fans thought we'd make the playoffs and Mowbray himself certainly never 'expected' to be promoted".

I know and today he's just reaffirmed that with the added bonus in reminding us the parachute payments are up. From now on in gets even harder.

Of course though, the club can't stop there can it. It needs to put the boot in about attendances.

The bottom line is the club wants to deflect itself from criticism in that it and no one else, just blew the best chance of promotion.

bill_door Posted on 31/03/2012 22:47
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"The bottom line is the club wants to deflect itself from criticism in that it and no one else, just blew the best chance of promotion."

Mowbray has consistently blamed the team when we fall short and not the fans.

We also haven't blown promotion either, we're vying for a play-off spot with teams even more inconsistent than ourselves.

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 22:48
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To be fair to Mowbray, I got the feeling that he was having a dig at Gibson.

He made a lot of noises during the transfer window about needing extra players and the same during the loan window. Although 2 players arrived I suspect Mowbray wanted/needed more and didn't get them.

He's also a working class lad from the area and knows that his players would like to see full houses but ain't going to get them with the prices on offer.

My guess is that he knows we had a good chance this year of going up but have failed to sieze the opportunity to strengthen the team when needed and is as frustrated as the rest of us.

pierrequiroule Posted on 31/03/2012 22:48
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In what way have they blown their best chance of promotion. I think you need to take a reality check pill.

Quatro Posted on 31/03/2012 22:52
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A lifelong seaso lad now watches Synthonia at 5 a time. And he gets home for tea on time.

Others watch Sky no doubt in the pub.

So, how is it different from the past? We've always had part timers with loads of excuses.

billybob Posted on 31/03/2012 22:53
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By screwing up home matches against the dregs of the division, you know home draws against Portsmouth, Bristol City, Coventry, Ipswich, Leicester, Millwall, Peterborough, Palace. Home defeats to Leeds etc etc etc.

We could have been home and dry if some of those had been converted into wins. Instead we now need to start winning games (something we have failed to do at home all season) against Cardiff and Southampton.

You can forgive the fans for being a touch pessimistic about our chances.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 31/03/2012 22:54
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The clue in being the impending wage cuts for next season, nigh on some miracle we get promoted.

For him to mention it now simply means he does not realistically see promotion.

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 22:57
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We've got next to no chance, and I think Mogga who is not stupid knows it fine well. Our team isn't good enough to win the play offs even if we manage to scrape a place.

Forget the first half of the season and look at our form since Christmas, bottom half of the table form.

And the results would have been the same whether we have 16k or 35k.

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 22:58
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"You can forgive the fans for being a touch pessimistic about our chances."

Agreed. But there again, pessimism exists at other grounds, it needn't stop people going though.

captain5 Posted on 31/03/2012 23:05
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Teesside has always been full of people who used to go who describe MFC as we when win and you when we lose, when you speak to them.

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 23:09
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Renrut:

"....season and look at our form"

Who are you talking about? Billingham or Boro?


Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 23:12
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You seem to be missing the rest of my comment in your quote there barnsey!

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 23:13
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[:D]

Renrut Posted on 31/03/2012 23:16
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At the end of the day you know, we are all Boro fans, that's why we come on this messageboard.

I think even the fans who go to games week in week out can and should acknowledge that the club need to take a good look at things, and are not always right.

captain5 Posted on 31/03/2012 23:19
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You're absolutely right but not all anti-club stuff is right either.

They are in a really difficult position regarding pricing and I do think the walk up prices are a bit too much, but most of the fall away in attendance is just us not being in the PL.

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 23:20
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Yes, and I'm sure that is the same at many other clubs.

Up the Boro.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 31/03/2012 23:23
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To be honest it's probably best we all do give up on promotion.

If there's one concurrent that runs through this team it's that it can't handle pressure or expectation.

On the contrary playing infront of a full Riverside would scare half of them to death.

Barnsy Posted on 31/03/2012 23:27
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Don't give up on the play offs, or promotion, but keep the expectations in check!

Lefty Posted on 31/03/2012 23:46
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Not read the thread but regarding the op and Mowbrays comments he is exactly right.

If home support didn't matter there would be no difference between results home and away throughout the leagues and throughout history.

If you argue different, congratulations, you're a dickhead.

mikehunt Posted on 01/04/2012 00:02
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I think Mowbray deserved more backing in January.

Gibson has definitely ensured we came through a financial crisis he oversaw and for that we should all be relieved and grateful. I am.
But surely when second in the league and having lured a 28k crowd and a bit of hope, you would kick on and invest. That Gibson didn't is his choice.....and huge mistake, for he is left with a club bumbling along in the Championship going backwards and with too many fans having lost the love.

We have no alternative but Gibson, but he has demonstrated since Jan that he has lost the bug. I can't blame him, but he has.
Let's stop all this 1m a month rubbish, that's just convenient Mathis and out of date. If he is still needing to fund that per month then he is employing idiots.

I will be there whatever league and size of crowd. I always have its in me.
But I wish people would stop having a go at those who have voted with their feet. Yet insist on keeping Gibson on a pedestal, when he has chosen not to spend anymore.

Mowbray deserved support in January and just did not get it.

captain5 Posted on 01/04/2012 00:04
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I am disappointed we didn't do more but we still signed the Juke.

How much do you think Mogga needed as I think we're a long way from being right at the top?

sambaDTR Posted on 01/04/2012 00:50
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THE BOTTOM LINE IS AN EMPTY SEAT IS AN EMPTY SEAT! IF SOME BODY WAS SITTING IN IT THEN IT MUST BE BETTER FINANCIALLY, VERBALLY AND MORALLY...

onthemap Posted on 01/04/2012 03:48
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"THE BOTTOM LINE IS AN EMPTY SEAT IS AN EMPTY SEAT! IF SOME BODY WAS SITTING IN IT THEN IT MUST BE BETTER FINANCIALLY, VERBALLY AND MORALLY..."

No XXXXXX Sherlock. The shops are full of crap they can't sell either.

byrno Posted on 01/04/2012 08:55
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Do you think if we'd spent another 2m in January the crowds would be any different? People didn't turn up then when we were second.

bryan_munich Posted on 01/04/2012 08:59
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On the contrary playing infront of a full Riverside would scare half of them to death.
__________
What, like it did against the Mackems?

Mowbray is right. The atmosphere yesterday probably helped Brighton get a point against a superior team.

Edwin Posted on 01/04/2012 09:11
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Out of curiosity, after losing his Celtic job, did Mogga rock up at the Riverside every week as a paying customer?

Or did he have better things to do with his time?

vuvuzelas Posted on 01/04/2012 09:49
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"Do you think if we'd spent another 2m in January the crowds would be any different? People didn't turn up then when we were second."

Given that it is 'the business end of the season' I think if we were still second in the league and getting a few more goals then our attendances would be up on what they are now. In that sort of scenario I think we would be getting somewhere in the region of 23000 week in, week out.

Boro-Bob Posted on 01/04/2012 10:31
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Let's get his comments in perspective when he was talking about the atmosphere at yesterdays match and how a full stadium can drive the players. The Amex has a capacity of 22,000 and they are in the same position that we were in at our first season at the Riverside with a massive input of season ticket holders and they are now looking to increase the capacity (sound familier). But I have a lot of friends who are Brighton supporters and they are already worried that if they dont get projmoted then the support will dwindle over the next couuple of seasons, including rhe away fans who have come this season just becausw it's a new ground. Now with our capacity of 34,000+ what chance of we got of filling the Riverside in the Championship. The ticket prices are on par with other clubs so there is no chance of price reductions so other than reducing the size of the stadium or filling the empty seats with dummies what else can be done.

byrno Posted on 01/04/2012 13:25
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"I think we would be getting somewhere in the region of 23000 week in, week out."

[rle] Really??

We've got the best chairman in the league, the ideal manager and a team full of local lads. In our current predicament, if that's not enough to make people turn up, nothing will.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 01/04/2012 13:43
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Stop hassling the vocal supporters and there may be an increase in atmosphere.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 01/04/2012 14:42
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It's not because you don't turn up. It's because you don't get behind the team. You sit there in silence, only raising your voices to gasp at a misplaced pass. It's little wonder the team plays nervy and slowly at home. They're afraid to make a mistake. It's not just us. It's teams like west ham as well. Teams that have fallen on hard times. Lots of causes for it, but ultimately one of the reasons we are poor at home this season is the crowd. Talk about stating the bleeding obvious.

mikehunt Posted on 01/04/2012 20:43
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Had Mogga been able to bring in a couple of players with quality in, I believe it would have made a difference to team and crowd.
Gibson didn't back him.