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Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 20:13
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally


Wrong.

Why do these people get such preferential treatment?
They've no doubt brought misery to their families, and their victims not to mention a huge burden on the social system.

And what do they get? There you go a free ticket to a North East derby which decent hard working people would love to go to.

I wager most of them will be outside the ground touting their tickets for their next hit.

Poor little drug addict, have a nice little ticket wicket for nowt, have a nice time you deserve it, you can spend your incapacity benefit on some lager and pies.

Makes me sick.


Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 17/04/2008 20:16
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

This is something that goes on all the time and is just been blown out of all proportions.

I have had young kids on activities all week to prevent them causing anti social behaviour in local neighbourhoods.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 20:17
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

How about their victims getting a free ticket?

Absolutley no fcuking chance of that.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 17/04/2008 20:24
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

These people are being offered an incentive to kick their habbit and are being given something to work towards.

If one of them comes off and stays off their chosen drug, then it will be more than worth it.

The price of a match ticket would be a drop in the ocean compared to the cost to society for treating addicts.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 20:26
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Utter B*******!

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 17/04/2008 20:37
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

You might think that these incentives are utter bollox but they have been proven to work time and time again.

You will always be able to quote examples were they donít work and I have witnessed several this week, but I could also quote several more incidents were this technique has improved peopleís behaviour.


pat_the_cat Posted on 17/04/2008 20:40
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Positive diversion, and it does work. If it means someone is going to have a better life then I'm all for it.
Mind you watching the Boro is enough to drive anyone to drink or drugs.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 20:41
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I've had extreme hardship in my life, I've never turned to drugs and do I get a free ticket? No I get fcuk all.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 17/04/2008 20:44
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Must say i`m with Dibzzz on this one.

The honest hard working people in this country get absolutely no incentives and freebies so why should the drug addicts who get free treatment whilst contributing nothing to the state be given extra?

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 17/04/2008 20:45
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Is that the part that hurts, that you have been skint and haven't been offered a free ticket?

It is not like the same people get tickets over and over again and in my experience they are a one off.

The government have been looking at ways to reward young people who are well behaved and do not cause anti social behaviour with tickets for sporting events, cinemas etc. But like everything the government is involved in, it takes to long to implement.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 20:46
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Rodney_Trotter

Thank fcuk for that!

I'm sick of all these do-gooders feeling sorry for these tw@ts.

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 20:46
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

It was going to the football that turned them to drugs. It's the clubs way of saying sorry.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 17/04/2008 20:48
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

When do i get a `one off`? Never thats when.

I chose not to shoot S*** in my arm the same as they chose to shoot it. Their choice at the start.

Give evrything and get nothing in return. The reason you are for it is because you get paid for helping these people. Where does the cash come for your wages? Yes the taxpayers who get no freebies

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 17/04/2008 20:49
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I get paid handsomely to feel sorry for these people.

P.S. When they get tickets, I do and you can't beat attending a game paid by you tax payers.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 20:51
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Yep, no one forced the drugs into them.

Anyone toying with the idea of starting on smak will think;

"Hey, I'll get a free ticket for a big game, where's the tin foil?"

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 20:51
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Seriously, these addicts aren't getting rewarded for taking drugs, they are geting rewarded for staying clean and it's a way of showing them that there is more to life than drugs.

You lot aren't looking at the bigger picture, just knocking people for mistakes they have made in life, which we all do. Nobodys perfect, just some of us make bigger mistakes than others.

Knock them while they are on drugs, not while they are getting clean.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 20:53
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Typical yoghurt knitting liberal gob-shyte!

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 17/04/2008 20:55
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I think what you will find is that the organisations not the clubs will have paid for these tickets.

I can think of at least three local services that have season tickets for the Riverside to take clients who have improved behaviour.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 17/04/2008 20:56
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Where is my reward for staying clean for 30 years?

Where is my reward for working for 14 years?

Nowhere.

Joe - Thats the attitude. Maybe you are spending too much time with your junkie mates and their waster attitude is rubbing off on you.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 20:57
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Bang on RT!

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 20:59
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Typical arrogant comments from typical arrogant people who dont have a clue what they're talking about.

ridsdale Posted on 17/04/2008 21:00
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I don't suppose it is a massive deal. But when will the good kids get some reward? The kids who do keep out of bother get nowt spent on them. The bad kids get an army of social workers, community inclusion workers, court and police time and of course good guys like Joe to keep them company.

All very well and good, but it is time kids were rewarded for not vandalising, burgling and mugging.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 21:01
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

No Rubber soles

We know exactly what we are on about, and it P***es us off.

ridsdale Posted on 17/04/2008 21:02
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

"arrogant comments from typical arrogant people "

I find that rather arrogant, maybe some of us have suffered at the hands of these mini criminals.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 17/04/2008 21:03
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

No the arrogance comes from the likes of you, Laidlaw & the junkie smack heads who believe that every mug who goes to work every day should wipe their arses time and again.

It`s expensive enough to keep my own family in a decent lifestyle, i shouldn`t have to pay for other peoples mistakes.

No one pays for mine.

Boroborn Posted on 17/04/2008 21:03
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Dibzzz and Rodney_Trotter If it cost £50 to get two smack heads off the brown and back into normal life so that they then can contribute is the £50 not worth it?

If those two people stay on smack and go out robbing houses, robbing people in the street then the cost us as tax payers a fortune.

If we have to lock them up is £15k a year each.

Surely then the £50 looks like money well spent there?

If you're so pig headed that you cannot see that in turning addicts into normal contributing members of society is a good thing then you have a serious problem.



Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 17/04/2008 21:03
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Roderrs - I stated earlier that the government are looking at ways to reward young people for being model members and pillars of their community.

I also believe my tongue in cheek attitude to Dibzzz reply is no more flipant that that of which the both of you are displaying.

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 21:04
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

You dont know what you're talking about because you wouldn't have such an ignorant opinion.

You're the kind of people who will be ignorant and look down on a recovering addicts for making the mistake they did, and in return make them feel worse about themselves and send them back on to the drugs rather than letting them get on with their lives.

Rod100 Posted on 17/04/2008 21:05
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

rewarding children for not skipping lessons is almost as bad.

i can see why it is done - the ticket thing - but ffs no one forced them to become a junky.


ridsdale Posted on 17/04/2008 21:05
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Do you seriously think a freebie at a footy match will change peoples behaviour?

I can think of plenty of the lands biggest crooks who fill the posh boxes and pay fook all.

ridsdale Posted on 17/04/2008 21:06
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

"You're the kind of people who will be ignorant and look down on a recovering addicts for making the mistake they did, and in return make them feel worse about themselves and send them back on to the drugs rather than letting them get on with their lives."

FFS. It's my fault they are smack.

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 21:06
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

"I find that rather arrogant, maybe some of us have suffered at the hands of these mini criminals."

And this scheme is to make sure these people have something to work on and see a better side of life rather than drug.

You think the hard way is the best way for these people, you're totally wrong.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 21:06
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I've suffered from these poor, poor people.
I've also had a very, very bumpy ride, but never turned to drugs.

I hope I get sat next to one, I'll buy them a bovril and a pie at half time, they can even have my match programme, want a lift home as well mate?

I don't like to be labeled 'Arrogant' just beacuse I don't agree with the scheme.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 17/04/2008 21:07
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

WTF are you boys on? Why don`t they pay the £50 themselves? Their parents? Siblings? THEIR FAMILY!!!!

Why mine? Because i chose the honest route? I should pay for someone who made the choice of taking smack and got themselves hooked. I chose not to. My choice. Same as it was theirs. Choices and i`m not getting any


rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 21:08
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

It's your attitude towards them in general that is arrogant.

Like i say, look down on the people who are on drugs and treat people who have done the hard work getting off it with more respect.

Rod100 Posted on 17/04/2008 21:09
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

so a £50 match ticket is going to get these off smak etc?

then why doesnt the PL have an amnesty for season ticket holders for one game a season utill the problem is gone.

how high is the success rate for this scheme then?


ridsdale Posted on 17/04/2008 21:09
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I have known and worked with some of these guys, they do often decide to change their ways. Only after a life of prison, violance from dealers and other addicts and the realisation that death is the end of their current road.

I agree that is a hard lesson.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 21:15
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I'm sorry but I can't see how a free ticket for a football game will make them see the light.

I'm sure non of them say;

"Nah, give it to someone who's had a bad time that wasn't their own fault"

Non of them, co's they're that used to taking freebies and hand-outs.

Discraceful!

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 21:17
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Ok, just let me tell you this and have a good think about what i am saying here, and your attitudes in general.

A friend very close to me was on heroin for 4 years. Really bad habit. I unlike the rest of his 'friends' stood by him. I eventually got him to get help and did all i could for him. He eventually got clean and sorted his life out. We lived in a small town at the time and because he was an ex-user, people still made his life hell, so much so that he had to leave the town and find somewhere else to live.

These people had the exact attitudes as you lot are showing here, instead of letting him get on with their life, you would have had the 'Once a druggie always a druggie' attitude.

I'm pleased to tell you my mate is doing well and has been clean now for 5 years. But if he would have stayed in the same town with the kind of attitudes i'm reading on here, he would have ended up back on the drugs and most probably dead now.

Just have a think about your attitudes in future.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 17/04/2008 21:17
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I think thats the part you don't realise Dibzz, the free ticket is a reward for them getting their lives back on track and not to get their lives back on track.

archiestephens_elbow Posted on 17/04/2008 21:17
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

No wonder this country is going down the toilet

Why not put em in prison for 10 years

That would stop em taking drugs

Rod100 Posted on 17/04/2008 21:22
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

it would appear it has been cycnically misinterpreted then joe.

they get the free ticket for stying cleam for X amount of months - yeah?

not a bad incentive. what if they're not into football i hope they get a suitable alternative.

karembeu_ca Posted on 17/04/2008 21:30
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

"Do you seriously think a freebie at a footy match will change peoples behaviour?"

ridsdale, look at the number of posts on here today that are basically saying that a few pound off their tickets will apparently make them renew - and change their mind - so why would a free ticket not work?

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 21:30
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

This is the kind of S***ty attitude people get for trying to correct mistakes they have made in life. ^^^^^^

Rod100 Posted on 17/04/2008 21:32
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

soles - whilst i dont condone their previous behaviour, some people turn to drugs or even alcohol as a means of escape, through abuse by a partner or family member etc.

if they have the will to get off, better themselves and stay clean then i think a poxy £50 ticket is not much in the scheme of things.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 17/04/2008 21:33
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

The ones who don't like footy get to do motorbikes with me tomorrow. [:D]

Buddy2 Posted on 17/04/2008 21:34
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

"Why not put em in prison for 10 years

That would stop em taking drugs"

[:D] Are you sure?


Link: The Investigation

karembeu_ca Posted on 17/04/2008 21:34
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

its the price we pay for being in a decent country and having the means to help those less fortunate. if you were one of those that needed the help, your attitude might be different as well.

I know that on first glance it sounds ridiculous, but when you evaluate the arguments, its not a bad idea.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 17/04/2008 21:35
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

What do smokers that pack in get? Fook all. What about the people turned down for operations or transplants because they are former smokers?

What is the difference between the 2?

They chose to take the drug in the first place and they commit a criminal act everytime they take a hit so they should be made to pay for the treatment they recieve. That is reward enough in my eyes and they should be grateful for it.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 21:37
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

At the end of the day it's a reward for being a smak head.

I've also 'had' a very good mate who was a smak head for several years, I supported him, I didn't want to see him the way he was, he has left the area, he came round my house as he was doing cold turkey, I tried my best, he went off the rails again and even stole from me.

He left the area because he couldn't whack us bollocking him and trying to get him to see the light, he had a great bunch of lads around him.

I haven't seen him in years, I hope he's off it, I really do, and if he is off it I wouldn't like to see him getting any nice freebies, I just don't see why he desreves it.

Now's who's arrogant?


rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 21:37
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Well said rod. That's exactly what i said in a nutshell.

These people have done the hard work, the scheme is to show them a different, better side of life.

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 21:38
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

"At the end of the day it's a reward for being a smak head."

Erm.. these people are clean, not smackheads.

"Now's who's arrogant?"

See above comment ^^^


Rod100 Posted on 17/04/2008 21:40
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

its down to interpretation.

some people to turn to drugs when times are bad; others turn to alcohol. is it the fact that htese are reformed drug addicts that some dont like?

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 21:43
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Ok Rubber soles,

I know what you are saying, don't talk to me as if I'm some thick tw@t, the people are clean who get the tickets, so when I say;

"At the end of the day it's a reward for being a smak head."

I'm correct.

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 21:45
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

A smackhead is a common term for a heroin user.

People who are clean are not 'smackheads'. Tell me, how long do they have to be clean for before they can lose the 'smackhead' lable?

You seem to be geting mixed up between a user and former user.

Rod100 Posted on 17/04/2008 21:46
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Dibzzz - technically your incorrect mate.

"At the end of the day it's a reward for being a smak head." - that staements implies - due to its tense - that they are still on smack. if you had said "having been a smackhead" then it would have been correct [:)]

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 21:49
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Ok,

It's a reward for being a former user.

Why reward them?

They've had enough support, benefit money, schemes, free methadone etc, why do they need a free ticket for a football game?

Surely they've had and taken enough?

Rod100 Posted on 17/04/2008 21:50
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

reformed alcholics get the same treatment - you down on those too lol.


Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 21:52
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Rod100

LOL

It means the same, depends which way you interperate it.
I agree simlpy adding 'once being' would have made it more clear. [:)]

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 21:54
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I dont know the ins and outs but i'm guessing the whole point is to show them that there is more to life than drugs. These peoples lives have all been about drugs. It's not just the drug they're getting rid of it's the people they knocked about with, their way of life etc etc.

It's a huge step to make and they need to be shown whats out there because it's so easy to slip back in to the mess they were in. Maybe it's something as simple as them enjoying going to the football so much, it will give them reason to go and get a job to pay for themselves in future.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 21:56
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Doesn't matter to me which drug you were addicted to, I just don't see why they should be rewarded with a free ticket for a football game?

I've had a really bad time and it wasn't my of my own doing, got over it myself, didn't get any reward, what makes these guys different?

Esekiel1517 Posted on 17/04/2008 21:57
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Do you judge yourselves?I doubt it.

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 22:01
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

You were obviously strong enough to get over it and fair play to you for that. But drugs is an easy trap to fall in and it doesn't always take someone with a bad life story to get sucked in.

I'm starting to sound like Trisha Goddard

archiestephens_elbow Posted on 17/04/2008 22:03
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

in this country if you do bad you get rewards

if you do well you get nowt

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 22:05
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

You're not looking at the bigger picture. Read my above comments and try to understand what's going on here.

archiestephens_elbow Posted on 17/04/2008 22:08
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

why not reward kids who arent junkies?

rubber_soles Posted on 17/04/2008 22:18
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Then you'll end up rewarding everyone. It's not really an award, it's a scheme to hopefuly show them that there is more to life than drugs.

"in this country if you do bad you get rewards"

That's like saying we might as well get rid of all rehab clinics. By doing that there will be more drug takers on the street, more crime and more problems overall for people like you who complain about.

Would you rather they be out there commiting crimes? Costing you money when they burgle your home? Costing the goverment money when they commit crimes? Or would you rather them get help to get clean so these crimes dont happen?

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 17/04/2008 22:58
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I'm with Dibzz on this one. Why should these addicts get preferential treatment and be rewarded for staying clean? Ok, I imagine the freebies were part of the bargain when they originally joined whatever scheme it was, but why should that be the case? Do the rest of us get freebies for behaving ourselves, working hard and paying our taxes (taxes which fund their rehab)?

I'm all for doing whatever we can to rehabilitate this people (though begrudgingly as it's the ordinary taxpayer that funds it), but this is going too far. It reminds me of the stories that we used to hear about teenage offenders being given freebie holidays in the sun.

Too many liberal do-gooders in his world.

Dibzzz Posted on 17/04/2008 23:03
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Yes I agree, give them all the help they need. And well done to those who have managed to kick the habit.

But don't go giving them free football tickets, they've had enough.

It winds up the averge bloke on the street,
the bloke who's been burgled,
the bloke who's kept clean all his life despite what life has thrown at him,
the bloke who works hard to pay for his pleasures,
the bloke who doesn't expect and certainly doesn't receive rewards.

Don't you see that?

Rod100 Posted on 18/04/2008 06:45
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Proutocomefromteesside - you're missing the point. to be pedantic they are not addicts, they are former addicts. a huge difference.

ffs its a free poxy ticket to see a S*** football match for gods sake.

many people aren't as strong willed as us and others that haven't commented on this thread and seek drugs/alcohol etc a a means of escape, whether it from abusive parent(s), partners, work redundancy or a family bereavement. yes there is a %age who get hooked as they choose to get high for the sake of it, but if these people have come off drugs and a visit to a poxy football match keeps them off it then look at the bigger picture.
the cost of rehad, counselling, methadone and the associated crime is way more than the £50 ticket. would you rather your taxes pay for the rehab/counselling/extra police required for the crime? or the cheaper ticket?

what about someone who has stopped smoking, yet still develops a form of cancer related to them having been a smoker. should they be refused any form of treatment on the NHS? exactly the same in theory just a different drug.

Bernie_was_right Posted on 18/04/2008 08:14
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

"These people are being offered an incentive to kick their habbit and are being given something to work towards.

If one of them comes off and stays off their chosen drug, then it will be more than worth it.

The price of a match ticket would be a drop in the ocean compared to the cost to society for treating addicts. "

That kind of guff is typical of the nonsense we get from the middle class liberals. All carrot & no stick. How about if we said that they will be tested in a months time, and if any drugs are found in their system they will be taken to prison, flogged, and then given 5 years hard labour? Watch the drug problem disapear.

David_Hill Posted on 18/04/2008 09:14
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I have to say that there are season ticket holders at the stadium of light that are missing out on the chance to go to the big game because the tickets are going to smack heads that is not right it is clear who deserves the tickets.

They should hand out tickets to Boro matches maybe then we can fill the South East and South West Corners, then everybodies a winner.

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 10:04
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Some people are missing the point totally and theres no point even trying to convince you otherwise because your single minded attitudes wont allow you to.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 18/04/2008 10:08
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I have to agree with Joe L, and I certainly wouldn't label myself as a liberal.

As long as its part and parcel of their treatment and they are regularly drug tested, why not use this as an incentive?

Do you realise how much we actully fork out as a consequence of drug use?

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 10:09
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I dont get the whole thing they are getting a big pat on the back for not breaking the law or killing themselves with smack or whatever
were is the justice for everyday law abideing people were is our hand out our pat on the back
they should stay clean because they want to and its the right thing to do not because they get ticket to the match

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 10:11
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

They're not getting a pat on the back for breaking the law or being 'smackheads'. They're now clean and it's a way of showing them that there is more to life than drugs as part of their treatment.

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 10:12
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

its like listening to an old record.till yav been there or worked with addicts ya aint got a clue. tell some of the lads at nitestop in redcar that they are S*** - and see how that rienforces ya confidenc and makes you think that others give a toss. THATS what its about!

you keep telling someone theyre S*** then they will think F*** you,so what and get worse.anyone on here been in that situation with family, friends,workmates/ lets hear from you.

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 10:14
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

oh great here go to the match your clean the rewards of life should be enough
have money to buy things not mooching stealing the way the whole system works is a joke
they give them stuff when clean
give them needles when not
clean place to shoot up when not
give give give
they bring nothing to society so why should we reward them when they finally decide to lead a normal life
having a life should be reward enough

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 10:15
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Someone else who doesn't see the bigger picture.

You dont have a clue.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 18/04/2008 10:17
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

The risk of punishment doesn't work, thats fact (FACT).

Ericmus Posted on 18/04/2008 10:17
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Sorry I missed the point completely!! I thought going to see the Mackems and Jawdees was to be used as a deterrent to keep clean!!1

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 10:17
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

really
my own father became a heroin addict and i have seen first hand how they destroy first themselves then everyone around them it's you my friend i think you will find is clueless they bring nothing to society so why should we reward them for coming back into it

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 10:24
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Proper punishment does work FACT

Look at the middle east

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 10:25
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

chop there hands off won't be able to shoot up then

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 10:26
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

if you were aware of how drugs are pushed on schoolkids, how it is worth encouraging addiction, its not that anyone wants to end up living for a drug. looses weight. throw up when they eat anything.smell and neglect themselves.loose mates and get rejected by their families.P*** themselves and live in S*** or sleep rough.

your answer? "normal life" - that includes addiction.it includes homelessness.it includes many things you might not like. it wont go away whether you like it or not.

when anyone demonstrates a will to give people a chance, up pop the rhetorical moralist whove no idea.

i used to work at a motorcycle project, where teenagers convicted of twokin (taking without consent - nicking cars), were given the opportunity to repair old motorbikes and race them on an old track donated by a local farmer.the bloke who ran the motorcycle project was an ex traffic - cop.it was such a success that some of these so - called low life (according to some) went to college to learn a trade and become mechanics.

these were kids who were excluded from school, been in young offenders institute. you should see em bristling when they came back and told us that they were going to college, or walked back in with their qualification. you could hug em.success!

a little understanding and bloody hard work - being sworn at, threatened and attacked. but it works.thats from someone whose been on the S***ty end. the best bloke we had with the lads was an ex con who went straight.

now THATS a real solution! get involved. you might learn something new!

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 10:29
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End of the day society we live in has a large anti social drug taking problem, but rewarding them for not doing these things!
Just doesn't wash with me I know kids who have had these sort of handouts or days out karting and things doesn't make them wanna stop they do it cos there brother does or there best mate the problem is with society and no amount of free tickets will ever even put a minute dent in the problem that we all live amongst

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 10:32
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If the goverment shared your attitude, jonni. The country would have more addicts and there would be dirty needles everywhere.

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 10:33
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Let the peoples lives who they wreck through burglary or whatever given the option to flog these low life's



Rodney_Trotter Posted on 18/04/2008 10:34
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Sorr Rubber but your argument is now turning into a joke. Needles everywhere? Stupid point.

The best thing to do would be legalise all drugs and then deal with it form there. Prohibition never works and them being illegal isn`t working

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 10:35
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really like there isn't now
see smackheads everywere I go
they make me sick
they steal
they are killing themselves and society lock em up and leave em end of

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 10:35
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Ok then, lets not bother getting them treatment so there will be more drug addicts and more crimes commited.

I just dont believe what some of you are saying here.

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 10:39
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"Sorr Rubber but your argument is now turning into a joke. Needles everywhere? Stupid point."

I was responding to jonni complaining about them getting free needles and having somewhere to go to feed their habit.

If he had his way, there would be people using on the street, more diseases because they would be sharing needles and needles all over the street because they had nowhere to dispose them.

When i lived in Switzerland they had a better scheme then they have here. A scheme which you lot would go mad about, but a scheme that has cut heroin abuse in half.



Rodney_Trotter Posted on 18/04/2008 10:39
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Nobody is saying that they shouldn`t be given treatment. But they shouldn`t be rewarded with gifts that the working tax paying part of the population are not entitled to.


jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 10:39
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treatment once a smackhead always a smackhead
the punishment for these drugs needs to be harsher along with punishment for drug related crimes i know prisons are full and all that speel but if they gonna do a couple of year strech like in america at boot camp or doing hard labour they would think twice before doing those things again the softly sofly approach that we have been taknig hasn't worked time to clamp down or legalise it it's the only way

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 10:40
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no lock em up take them off the street, fook their human rights to methadone etc on the inside

What about the victims human rights, as far as Im concerned when you over step the mark in that way you for go your "Human rights" and deserve to be treated like an animal

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 10:42
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OK jonni: youve just turned up at work - as a senior social worker. youve got a 14 year old whose been -

convicted of twok
been excluded from school
has learning support for 2 hours a week
he is in care of the local authority
he has been physically abused by his step dad
his peer group are older and have offence records.
he expresses anger with challengin behaviour.

your task jonni is to draw up a care plan, using any agencies you think would get this lad out of these scenarios,provide positive role models and attempt to get a positive relationship with his family.

this is a real situation.

now. without the daily mail smears, moralistic, self - efacing iknowalltheanswers - how are you going to approach this. exactly where do you start. you are acting in loco parentis.

ok. off you go.

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 18/04/2008 10:44
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A very close friend of mine came off heroin 4 years ago after being an addict for 5 years and has done well ever since. I tried to help him but the only time it was ever affective was when he wanted to be clean.

He said the best way to come off junk was with no medication and just cold turkey. The reason they bitch about it so much is because they know the symptoms of clucking are easily wiped away with one hit.

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 10:46
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"He said the best way to come off junk was with no medication and just cold turkey."

You put that theory to a doctor and he'll tell you its too dangerous to do that.

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 10:47
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should already be in the nick for TWOKing
how many innocent lives are wrecked/people killed by so called "Joy riding"
They do adult crimes then they should be treated like an adult

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 10:48
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rod - i agree mate. its S*** watchin someone go down and down, but in the end its patience and will that breaks the cycle. i was stuck on cider and lost mates, everything i owned and about 2 stone in weight.my mate was a smack ed. one morning, i dont know why, but i thought F*** it.havent looked back since.

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 10:48
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i was talking about drug addicts not socially and mentally troubled teens that problem is rife and as you are probably aware no matter what agencies otr task force that you set up is going to really help that kid
at the end of the day the only person who can help you is yourself
what percentage of kids and young adults come out of these councilling or care plans actually any better off the only person who can break the cycle is them have seen it happen to lot sof my old friends grownig up seen them get in to crime drugs i walked away my choice you can only show people the door they have to walk through it

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 18/04/2008 10:48
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I think, rubber, you need to go check your facts. The body does not become dependant on the junk like it does with alcohol.
It is in no way dangerous to come off junk cold turkey.



neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 10:54
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come on jonni.this is where it starts. your task is to divert and set boundaries. give the 14 year old boy a positive direction. il tell you where a lot of these come from - ex forces families, who cant cope on civvy street.

just because it didnt happen to you is not the point. the question is WHY has it happened to others and what do we legally and positively do about it/

if you are strong, then why dont you articulate that to these youngster to help them help themselves?

com on, lets hear it. if you want i can put you onto various groups on teesside who can do with as many volunteers as they can get to support them. this is not just your chance, but anyone else on here who has something to contribute. if your 20 or 60 everyone has something to give, even its only an hour a week. THAT can make a difference to someones life.lets all think before we speak.

Gib_Red Posted on 18/04/2008 10:56
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Just another example of how our "Nanny State" mollycoddle's the citizens that chose a path other than that of the "Straigh & narrow". Honest, hard-working people are again made to feel like 2nd class citizens, albeit in this small example. Perhaps if our Govt did more to make "Mr & Mrs Bloggs" feel more valued instead of awarding tickets, holidays for thugs, every benefit under the sun for any Kosovan Brick-layer & his brood that reach these shores. If they did more to sort out the causes of crime/drug addiction, then perhaps we'd see progress to a better society and halt the current downward slide. I realise that people do need help for a variety of reasons, but it does'nt half get on your
t!t end when all you see/read about is the next Govt scheme to help those that won't help themselves.

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 10:57
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Ok, so it's a lot easier for an addict to get off drugs if he's in agony and the only thing to cure that agony is the drug that they're craving?

Righto

ridsdale Posted on 18/04/2008 11:00
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RS, a doctor on telly a few weeks ago, who had worked in prisons with addicts said that going cold turkey was like having the flu. He said that he would have happy smiling prisoners outside his door, when they came in to see him, they would be on deaths door.

He said that is how they con their families and friends. They exaggerate their need. That is from a man with a lot of knowledge and experience.

Also, what gives someone like you,who lives in the middle of an empty East Yorkshire, the right to call those of us who live with druggies and the crime they commit, arrogant?

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 11:02
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education and keeping them in school many things there is no easy solution to ironing out societys problems but I do firmly believe that a stronger detterent would go a long way to keeping them from going down a certain path.
I know it doesn't always work ie death penalty in america but could you see a 14 15 16 year old boy doing a purse snatch for money for a bag of smack doing it if he was gonna do 2 years breaking rocks in the sun i think he would be more than likely to think twice.
Give them the avenues to seek help if they want it and listen and try and help them under 16''s maybe even intervene for abused kids and so forth but once they are adults they like us are on there own and there choices are there own help only those who want it not someone who has to go or there methadone will be stopped or court ha sordered them to it doesn't work

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 11:06
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for gods sake take alook.the question of "if they.." is code for - "i dont want to take responsibility,its upto someone else"? your attitude is ill considered. folks like jonni have agenuine concern and i reckon he really cares cus hes not just gobbing off, he gives a monkeys."if THEY? did more to sort out the CAUSES of crime.....".who are "THEY" and if you recognise that theyre are CAUSES you are half way there.

im sure everyone agrees that "a better society" is very desirable, but telling everyone else to build it means you sit there and ultimately do nothing.

the schemes i worked for are nothing to do with Government. one minute you talk about the "nanny stae", the next you tell us its up to "our (?) government" to sort it out. you cant have it both ways. but you can make a difference.

if it sounds like im preaching then so be it.im trying to help us all to think - ME INCLUDED.sometimes we get the racists and biggots, but this discussion is obviously important to people, so its worth continuing. its important to you cus youre here.

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 11:06
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I live in North Yorkshire and i've lived in places 10 times the size of Middlesbrough with more crime and more drug problems.

When i say it's too dangerous, i mean it's easier for a user to get off drugs with the help of methodone. If they're in pain and the only thing to cure that pain is the drug they are trying to get off, they have more reason to go back on it to take away the pain.

ridsdale Posted on 18/04/2008 11:08
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Thanks to you Neil, I will never touch another drop of cider in my life.

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 11:11
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its not my resbonsibility or yours is what i am saying its sad kids are beat up abused and people need to be there to support them but the thread statesa drug addicts getting free tickets morraly wrong an dthe answer my friend yes as has been stated in the thread allready what about there victims what do they get F*** all and yet these criminals messed up by parents society or other wise get every oppportunity for support days out even places to do there drugs illegal drugs what about me you every other hard working decent person what do we get ever increasing taxes and a fear of smack heads and hooligans mugging you
I appreciate what you are saying and have been through similar experiences but not the same as what you are saying myself but morraly its not right to reward somebody just for doing what society dictates i sright anyway

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 11:13
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the solution lies somewhere in the middle, lets face it this liberal approach has not worked for what at least 20 years, feral youths are running the streets

Theres is no real punishment or deterrent for committing the crime -
as someone said breaking rocks or digging ditches most of the day would at least be a start and a real deterrent

Longer and harder sentences along with real help at the end of the sentence would be the way forward IMO

Saying they cost 15k a year to house in prison, how much do you think these multi tier agencies and schemes cost

Holgatewall Posted on 18/04/2008 11:15
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Users are only the tip of the iceberg. Surely the people that need stopping are the drugs barrons. They are the ones trading in misery and casuing a lot of the social problems e encounter on our streets.

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 11:17
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Alpha your prob right detterent and help in equal measure by the way neil appreciate what your saying and sounds like you have a really worthwhile job but have been living round this S*** almost all my life these people some can't be helped or don't want to be what do you do with them

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 11:19
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when there is that much money involved there will be too many backhanders been given out to ever stop the drug scoming in legalise but get tougher on the crimes on society drug users commit harsher sentances manual labour that sort of thing

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 11:25
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look at it from the druggies point of view - commit the crime get the hit or worst case scenario get a few weeks/months inside with free methadone and as many take up schemes as you like, hardly a deterrent is it?

Victim - burgled - crime reference number - leaflet from the plod

What sort of upside down society is this

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 11:25
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"liberalism",conservatism or whatever "ism" has nowt to do with owt. we have more young people in young offenders institutions per capita than any other country in europe.we have a higher record of suicides by youngster between 14 - 18 and more people as young as 12 in secure units than countries like rumania and kosovo.

prison doesnt always work.of course some people need lockin up and the key throwing away. there has to be more than one way.

as a footnote to dibzzzzz - it maybe usefull to know that children under 16 are not entitled to benefits - and certainly not in yoi or secure unit.you get £10 a week in yoi for attending classes in basic english,maths and learning skills for a trade. that goes on phone cards, bakki, tuck and stamp/writing paper.it also introduces them to further drugs, bullying,buggery,beating ,intimidation and fear. great!


jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 11:25
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hear hear

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 11:28
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

what actually is your job neil;

Rodney_Trotter Posted on 18/04/2008 11:28
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Rubber- Do you know what you are talking about? Pain?

Cold turkey is like having a, albeit bad case, dose of the flu. I`m sure when youare suffering from man flu and knew you could get hold of something that would end your torture you would want it. Thats what it is.

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 11:34
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i work(nights) with recovering mentally ill alcoholic adults with learning difficulties - i started working with kids in care, then young offenders, did the escort duties with violent young offenders. my only qualification is life experience. ive been a chef, a signaller with the royal anglian regiment, a factory cleaner,a pub manager and van driver. im 48 (old git), have followed our daft football team for over 30 years and do a bit of writing nad broadcasting.

oh - i earn £14k a year - which aint much an live in a one bedroomed council flat. im glad that some "god"? or other has given me the life ive had!its day off today. theres no silver liberal spoon in my mouth. :@) will that do mate?

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 11:36
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thats because we have the worst behaved "yoofs" in EUROPE fact....why because "Tough on crime...tough on the causes of crime" was just a sound bite and in reality none of the sound bite has come to fruition

The worrying thing is none of the party's seem to offer a viable alternative or solution as they are to spineless to put forward a decent policy for fear of the PC flak.

On the plus side though more and more people and starting to speak out against the PC brigade which can only be a good thing

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 11:37
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the only brigade i know put out fires!

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 11:38
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sounds very intresting my uncle has done similar things but mainly just outreach work thats why I asked wasn't lineing you up for a snide comment or anything you7 just seem to kno wyour stuff and are obviosly very passionate about these things

The_same_as_before Posted on 18/04/2008 11:39
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thats shoite, there is no more liberal country than Holland, lowest pregnancy amongst young women and lowest drug use.

PC has problems but on the whole it works, e.g the no longer acceptance of racist language.

Give the kids a break, take them to a match, the costs to me and you must be ness than buying a single Swan Vesta every 100 years.

Kilburn Posted on 18/04/2008 11:40
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Crime, addiction etc are often discussed on here, but with neilg's posts it is interesting to hear from someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

Compare and contrast with the completely un-thought-through posts from ALPHA_MALE, who would apparently prefer sharia law punishments to be brought in.

SteveGoldby Posted on 18/04/2008 11:42
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

OK - here's the answer.

Send five of them to the match on Sunday.

Take another five, lock them in a dark room and beat the living S*** out of them.

See which group rehabilitates first.

My money is on the second group.

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 11:42
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folks - i know only a bit - im no big ed. its 11.41 - im still not dressed and the pub is open! duty calls :@)x

rubber_soles Posted on 18/04/2008 11:43
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"Rubber- Do you know what you are talking about? Pain?"

"Cold turkey is like having a, albeit bad case, dose of the flu."

I've never been through it but from what i've heard from people i used to know, it's a lot worse than that.

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 11:57
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Kilburn - you know nothing about me so shut your ill informed mouth you gobshyte


ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 12:03
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Awww the poor dears.........


Link: FFS

jonniovdaboro Posted on 18/04/2008 12:05
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

a million pounds of our money what a fookin joke burn em all

ridsdale Posted on 18/04/2008 12:07
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

If they had been given tickets for the Cardiff game, they could be due for six figure compo.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 18/04/2008 12:35
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legalise all hard drugs. The Government takes control of the drugs trade which is all taxed. Afganistans economy skyrockets as it is transfomed into a modern country on the back of the poppy trade and as a consequence the taliban is eliminated. All addicts are given free drugs paid for by the taxpayer. This is counterbalanced by the savings made in massively reducing the prison population and the huge associated legal costs. addicts needs are satiated and they no longer need to go out robbing to pay for their habit. The crime rate massively falls both due to the lack of crime to fund drug use and police resources freed up to look at other matters. everybodys happy. Hell with the tax savings we can even throw in a free ticket to a premier league football match for all law abiding citizens.

Rod100 Posted on 18/04/2008 14:27
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i find it quite ironic that former drug users or indeed those that are still addicts are castigated. yet, alcohol and alcohol related crime is rife but more tolerated as 99.9% of people 'enjoy' a drink.

alcohol destroys more lives/families than drugs ever has - but it is ok as we are allowed to do it.

the bigger picture for you all to see is that all these addicts - drugs/alcohol or whatever - cost YOU the tax payer thousands. if a £50 football ticket keeps them out of the system and frees up your taxes to be spent on somehting more worthwhile its job done in my book.

stop being so blinkered and short sighted.

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 21:16
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i agree rod. when it comes to your own newspeak is not the answer.its not just about taxes or our own pockets. x

alvesdad Posted on 18/04/2008 21:24
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All this commotion for 4 tickets because thats the number of tickets given to ex drug addicts as told by Newcatle managment today.Not a lot to get excited about is it.

neilg Posted on 18/04/2008 21:27
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if the 4 are "ex drug addicts" - it proves that diversion works. many thanks.

alvesdad Posted on 18/04/2008 21:42
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

If 4 tickets can help 4 people to keep on the straight and narrow im all for that. what some people should think that could be my kids this is helping. Good luck to them

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 18/04/2008 23:50
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

nah bollox this F***** up approach has been tried for decades and youth/drug/alcohol related crimes are worse than ever....time for a hard line approach


Dibzzz Posted on 19/04/2008 00:03
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Bloody hell!

Just checked my thread and it's broke a ton,,,crikey,,,first time I've done that!!!

Marsked_Bandit Posted on 19/04/2008 00:22
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Hopefully the first of a new wave of prisons to accommodate these "dangerous, violent" criminals will be built in your back garden Alpha, at your expense.

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 19/04/2008 00:30
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@rse bandit the likes of you and the other soft shytes have ruined this country for the decent hard-working tax paying folk, get your head out from up your @rse and look around




Marsked_Bandit Posted on 19/04/2008 00:41
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See my previous post.
The tax payers have a better deal trying to sort out the drug related crime outside of prison and locking up the dangerous ones, you know murderers etc.
So I'll tell you what ,as well as volunteering your property for building prisons can you donate double your income tax to pay for someone to spend two weeks in prison for stealing a packet of biscuits?
Me I'll give it a miss, ta

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 19/04/2008 00:50
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your so far off the mark, i wager that if polled the country would prefer to leave the tax rate at 22% as long as it guaranteed more prisons and harsher sentences

Out of interest what would you do with someone who stole a packet of biscuits

I watched a docu earlier that claims shoplifting cost every single person in the UK £150+ each year

Marsked_Bandit Posted on 19/04/2008 01:01
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Aplha, I am not doubting what a lot of the public want to happen. I am just pointing out the harsh realities. To pay for the punishment regime you describe you could not leave the tax rate anywhere near it's present level. It would cost a fortune. We need to prioritise and deal with the most dangerous. The choice is stark who do you want locked up those most likely to commit harm to others or those committing crimes against property.
As for the biscuit thief, should be shaken out of bed first thing on a morning, taken for drug treatment and then taken to clear your back garden of weeds for the new prison to built or some such community project.

Dibzzz Posted on 19/04/2008 01:24
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At the end of the day, ex drug addicts shouldn't be getting free tickest for a football game.

It's just not on.

gravyboat Posted on 19/04/2008 01:30
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

'It's just not on' [:D]

Marsked_Bandit Posted on 19/04/2008 01:40
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Go on then, one reply before bed.

Why not? You appear to have this image of a drug user committing huge amounts of crime. Really not so, generally low level and against commercial properties. Unpleasant but does not threaten us in our beds. The small minority do the house burglaries and large volume crime and have been targeted. Teesside's house burglary rates have dropped dramatically over a period of years, not me, crime surveys.

These tickets are for ex-drug users in need of a step in the right direction, same as the lad who knocks the bus stop window in, the fool who gets involved in a weekend fight or mr proper and correct who is going to fast in a built up area and knocks someone down. We all make mistakes, get over it.

maracana2001 Posted on 20/04/2008 02:46
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tell ya what, hows about instead of rehab for bag heads at the game we get these ex/current/recovering addicts into work, and then, for like the rest of us clean law abiding folks, take a cut from their pay...only this time a little more, for the previous burden they put on society? lets say 75%? i reckon that would contribute a good way towards kids who have had a real bad start in life, being born or diagnosed with such things as downesyndrome (sp?), MS, Huntingtons, Lukemia (SP?) etc etc, Dont forget some people dont choose their path to a young demise, unlike the to$$er$ who turn to the opium. In the real world that aint gonna happen, but it'd be nice to see these multimillion pound clubs do something towards giving some little one a happy day!

maracana2001 Posted on 20/04/2008 03:14
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just while i'm on still. regarding my post above, what are the views of the folks on here who are all for the rehabilitation (free tickets or otherwise) of the subject matter of this discussion?

junkyard_angel Posted on 20/04/2008 11:45
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I went to yesterday's match on a corporate jolly where I sat in a restaurant with lots of other people who were paying nothing, and most of us were downing copious amounts of an addictive drug before, during and after the game.

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 20/04/2008 11:48
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well done you deserve it...!

junkyard_angel Posted on 20/04/2008 11:54
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Alpha male, what do you think of the fact that the UK and US, who have the most hardline approach do drugs, also have the worst problems, whilst more enlightened countries Like the Netherlands have made huge steps foreward in combating hard drugs?

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 20/04/2008 12:01
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I think its wonderful

Mavrick Posted on 20/04/2008 12:14
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I cant believe Joe_Laidlaw said

"These people are being offered an incentive to kick their habbit"

It makes me think why not go get an ASBO and take drugs so i get rewarded to!

Its sending out the wrong signals, these people deserve nothing. They should be made to do community service and pay for the people who were on the receiving end of their crimes to go to a football match!

ALPHA_MALE Posted on 20/04/2008 12:14
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Seriously IMO its all down to parenting, children need to be taught about respect and tolerance to many lazy or none existent parents out there

Was in the club shop yesterday getting my sons shirt back after getting "Alves" on the back (his choice)

I gave him the receipt and told him to go to the counter and ask for his shirt back

"Please may I have my football shirt back" he said (5 years old)

The bird behind the counter commented on his wonderful manners, this is not an isolated incident happens fairly regularly I can only assume the people we come into contact with must meet some ignorant fooks

I drum into my kids good old fashioned values and manners...this IMO is missing from far to many people these days


Mavrick Posted on 20/04/2008 12:18
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They should ship all the smackheads out to a desert island, give them all a knife each and enough smack for one of them only.

Would make an interesting experiment!

Conclusion.... We live in a smack free society, no demand kills the supply!

junkyard_angel Posted on 20/04/2008 12:33
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Maverick, you are wrong. In this business, the suppliers create the demand. The only way to defeat this is - as sheriff_john_bunnell said above - to take away the profits of the drugs trade by legalising it and handing over the supply to experts, instead of gangsters.

Mavrick Posted on 20/04/2008 12:39
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

naa im right, just keep sending the smack heads to an island with one bit of smack to fight over.

F***ing horrible B******s they are, i hate them! Smack heads and crack heads, all the same in my opinion.



ALPHA_MALE Posted on 20/04/2008 12:44
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

the big dealers have the politicians in their back pockets so that aint going to happen

Look at Afghanistan Im certain that I read opium fields and exportation of it has actually increased since the invasion and existing opium fields have not been destroyed


Mavrick Posted on 20/04/2008 12:51
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

Alpha your a bit highly strung on this issue i think! Of course i know the supply id always going to be there, if we somehow destroyed all the fields in afghanistan it would take up to a year to notice any difference on the streets of england (Which will never happen), but the supply will either move elsewhere or has started producing again in the same place.



ALPHA_MALE Posted on 20/04/2008 13:00
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

err I know thats my point...!

The supply if needed will always be there

Mavrick Posted on 20/04/2008 13:37
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

like i said b4, your a bit to close to the issue and cant see a joke besides it!

Dibzzz Posted on 20/04/2008 20:42
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

I hope all those ex criminals enjoyed their free day out today?

neilg Posted on 20/04/2008 21:42
Drug addicts getting free tickets, morally

"ex criminals" answers the question.as for the rubbish about "prefferential treatment" - why does this happen in the first place. are we into a crypto darwinist approach? darwin didnt create a theorum based on "survival of the fitest", it was a student of his called herbert spencer.the logic on here suggests that certain humans have a prediliction towards law - breaking. if so, you should question WHO makes the laws and WHO do they protect? if you have someone in your family who has broken the law - including speeding fines - do they have a genetic fault that can be modified or removed? mengler - hitlers butcher suggested so - its a fantasy and leads to propagandism and genocide.do you suggest you go round to families and individuals where you live and opperate on them to remove this gene.

it is society that is at fault -YOU and ME, not individuals.think.