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Humpty Posted on 21/03/2012 04:06
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For 2 reasons..

Firstly he's still not fit. You can tell by his mobility about the pitch and the mistakes he started to make late in the game.

Secondly he's not being used properly... yet. The game plan doesn't revolve around giving him the ball through the defence and using him the dictate the pace. Righlty so to because he's just not dependable enough at the minute.

He had a steady if not unspectacular game tonight. I think he'll flourish playing that formation too.

1finny Posted on 21/03/2012 04:11
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Best player on the pitch last night.

expat_smoggie Posted on 21/03/2012 04:25
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must admit I think everyone was correct in their performance assessment of Thomson over the course of this season-- but deadly wrong on his credentials-- he is a quality act-- especially when he's on song. Last night's performance was an indication of what kind of player he is and how dynamic he can be-- once he is fit. Moreover, given that Rhys is injured Thomo shold be a more than adequate replacement for him as he can be the king pin from defence to attack-- here's hoping he gains in confidence for the final promotion push-- and of course remains fit!!

Humpty Posted on 21/03/2012 10:35
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He absolutely has potential to be the lynch pin on the midfield. It entirely depends on hos fitness.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/03/2012 10:38
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"he is a quality act-- especially when he's on song"

when has he been on song? doing karaoke?

i think bailey, williams and robson have had far better games than thomson's best game for us.

he doesnt really do a lot from what i see.

UAUA Posted on 21/03/2012 10:39
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"Firstly he's still not fit."

How tedious is this?

Is Malcolm Christie fit yet incidentally?

sasboro1 Posted on 21/03/2012 10:42
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the fitness/carrying a knock excuse is used far too often for under performing players. It shouldnt take them that long to get their match fitness up once they have had a couple of games

Humpty Posted on 21/03/2012 10:43
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As tedious as it may be it doesn't make it untrue.

MarlonD Posted on 21/03/2012 10:44
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Eeee isn't the interweb amazing.

humpty can even spout his utter bullsh1t from the other side of the world.

He played ok but nothing more.

UAUA Posted on 21/03/2012 10:46
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Despite playing most of the games lately, why is he still not "fit"?

Do we stil have to wait for him to play 10 games in a row?

Bandy Posted on 21/03/2012 10:48
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he's a tortoise and we need roadrunner

japsterbor0 Posted on 21/03/2012 10:57
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Probably is more to come but just how long can we wait?


Boromart Posted on 21/03/2012 10:57
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it takes 5-6 consecutive games to get fully match fit. Give him another couple of weeks then judge him.

There has been a lot of bollix thrown around hhere lately about Thomson being 'the wworst mdifielder ever in a Boro shirt', 'a complete liability' and 'simply not a very good footballer'. 'If' he stays fit he will prove that those comments are way of the mark. Even when he was playing with his broken leg at the end of last season, you could see he had a bit of class about him. Take the Cardiff 3-0 away win, he was the best player on the pitch by far. sMac was right about our fans, they do need educating. People seem to think to be a good midfielder you have to tackle like a tank, play hollywood ball passes every five minutes and score a goal every other game and sprint like Linford Christie. Thomson is neat, tidy, closes space, has a good touch, a decent range of passing, cycles the ball wide quickly. He has ability, he isn't Roy Keane or Paul Scholes, but he isn't Andy Peake or Mark Summerbell either.

Borocelt Posted on 21/03/2012 10:58
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He may be decent when he's fit. The problem is, he's been here nearly 2 seasons now and failed to manage it so far.

I thought he was a bit so what last night. He didn't have a bad game by any stretch, but he wasn't particularly impressive either. He was positively 'alright'.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/03/2012 11:01
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mart - [^]

sasboro1 Posted on 21/03/2012 11:03
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people get confused being unfit with far too slow and always off the pace.

UAUA Posted on 21/03/2012 11:09
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"Take the Cardiff 3-0 away win, he was the best player on the pitch by far."

No, he wasnt. Lita was.

Tell me, if he plays 3 games, then misses one, does his 5-6 consecutive games "clock" have to start from scratch again then? If so, we will NEVER see the "best" of him in a Boro shirt.

Humpty Posted on 21/03/2012 11:10
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Absolutely not Sas. Its very easy to compare the Thomson from last season and Thomson from this season. He's just plainly not fit enough to get about the pitch at the minute. Last season he dictated the play for the last 8 or so games in which we prospered.


Torino Posted on 21/03/2012 11:12
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Like it or not, him and Bailey will be our central midfield pairing next season.

UAUA Posted on 21/03/2012 11:12
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" Last season he dictated the play for the last 8 or so games in which we prospered."

Dont talk daft. What a ridiculous overexaggeration.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/03/2012 11:17
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"Absolutely not Sas. Its very easy to compare the Thomson from last season and Thomson from this season. He's just plainly not fit enough to get about the pitch at the minute. Last season he dictated the play for the last 8 or so games in which we prospered."

raving about thomson but i've seen bailey and robson put in far better games. they look far better than thomson. thomson is one of those midfielders who rarely scores, floats around just inside our half. ideally you want him like a robbie mustoe,boeteng and bailey type players but he wont be good enough. he is never going to be like robson and get box to box and chip in with goals. way i see it there are better midfielders for whatever role he is put in. Williams is better too. i'd say he is about 4th best midfielder we have.

i expect we keep giving him chances because he costs us so much in money.

is he really that mch better than smallwood?

think the club would snap the hand off if a team offered £1m for thomson and got him off the wage bill. I imagine he is on a lot of wages. we wouldnt miss him if he was sold and thats how i see if he is any good

Humpty Posted on 21/03/2012 11:19
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UAUA if that's how you viewed that game then you need to pay more attention.

B-MAN Posted on 21/03/2012 11:22
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I tend to agree that theres more to come. There were moments in the second half where we kept the ball superbly, passing it around, shifting from left to right, stretching and pulling West Ham out of place and Thomson was the man playing every 2nd or 3rd pass in those moments. He's never going to be as explosive as Barry Robson, he's not going to fly into tackles like Bailey but he's an important cog if our midfield is ticking properly - especially away from home.

OneJobOnTeesside Posted on 21/03/2012 17:07
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He did well last night but doesnt close down anywhere near enough. He stands off when he should stand off but by about 20 yards! You need to be closer than that to capitalise on a mistake or you can get in tight when the player on the ball runs out of options. Too many times he was standing right off just for him to be completely missed out by a pass.

There was one occasion where he was in front of Bennett and Bennett didnt close down as Thomson was in front of him who just let the guy cross it. We could have conceded then.

Edit: That is a trait of not being fully fit but surely he cant be far off that now??

Nous_serons Posted on 21/03/2012 17:20
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"... ideally you want him like a robbie mustoe,boeteng and bailey type players..."

no you don't - we've got one of those and he's called Bailey. You want him to to be the focal point between defence and attack, dictating the pace of the game. I think he's got the ability to do that, and we're starting to see signs of it - not in the same league by any stretch, but from my youth, a Bobby Murdoch role

"is he really that mch better than smallwood?"

[sad] Please tell me that's not a serious question

Steel-City_Smoggy Posted on 21/03/2012 17:22
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I couldn't believe it ast night, he actually ventured past the half way line, has got to be an improvement.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/03/2012 17:23
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he cant shoot or score(scored 4 goals in 9 years), so all he can do is the defensive role.. and as i said bailey si better at that..whers is thomson's real position? he isnt a creative player either.

UAUA Posted on 21/03/2012 17:25
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Unfortunately his "defensive" role doesnt extend to consistently tracking runners from midfield.

OneJobOnTeesside Posted on 21/03/2012 17:26
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Agree Sas. I dont think it helps when he is played alongside Bailey or Williams as they want to do the same job. Mowbray seems to favour defensive mids tho and often plays 2 of them

OneJobOnTeesside Posted on 21/03/2012 17:29
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UAUA also agree.

He looks tidy and has a good range of passing but doesnt seem to want to track enough or close down, just stands off 20 yards in no mans land.

He doesnt look unfit but perhaps he is.

Im worried that his problems are mental and he has just bottled it.

Nous_serons Posted on 21/03/2012 17:33
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"... has a good range of passing but doesnt seem to want to track enough or close down..."

Of course - all we need is 100% grafters isn't it [?]

I refer to my earlier comment about Bobby Murdoch, who basically won us the Division 2 championship in 73/74 - don't remember him putting in the miles on the pitch, but one of the best players I've seen in a Boro shirt

skiprat Posted on 21/03/2012 17:35
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"More to come from Thomson"

I XXXXXXing hope so.

gravyboat Posted on 21/03/2012 17:35
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I amazed people think he was anything other than average last night.

Both Smallwood and Bailey were right in the faces of their players, really putting them under pressure, but Thomson just stands off. All the time.

I thought he played well against Forest this season, but other than that, I can't think of another game where he's made his mark.

I agree that he can be neat and tidy in tight area's, and all this rubbish about him being 'the worst midfielder ever' doesn't help, because he's clearly not. But really, other than neat and tidy short passing, what exactly are his attributes? Really, what is it he brings to the side?


offside-again Posted on 21/03/2012 17:39
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He had a good game but lets face it, you are just waiting for his fitness to go again, shame really as I agree if he had 7-8 starts by the 5th game he would be dictating play from that deep midfield slot. But, I would prefer Faris Haroun in the side, we miss him badly, hopefully he will be fit for satda.

outmac Posted on 21/03/2012 17:39
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"where is Thomson's real position ?"
To date , prone on the treatment table is about it.

trog64 Posted on 21/03/2012 17:54
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"I refer to my earlier comment about Bobby Murdoch, who basically won us the Division 2 championship in 73/74 - don't remember him putting in the miles on the pitch, but one of the best players I've seen in a Boro shirt"

Funniest comment I have read on here for a good while !

Kevin Thompson should not be in the same sentence as Bobby Murdoch.

The only similarity is that they are/were both way off the peak of fitness. Difference is/was that it didn't hinder Bobby and he could put a ball on a teamates toe from any distance (as opposed to 10 yards max, backwards or sideways)and chipped in with a fair few goals.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/03/2012 18:08
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can we expect a goal from him this season?

outoftowned Posted on 21/03/2012 18:14
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better last night.. but hides too much.

Gets it... gives it sideways.... stands and watches.

To pull strings/dictate play.. you have too want it back from players other than a centre half

bear66 Posted on 21/03/2012 18:42
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seconded

captain5 Posted on 21/03/2012 18:51
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He was okay last night.

Lot better when he has a bit of pace in front of him and around him as he is never going to get about the pitch quick enough himself.

With him in the side, we were getting beaten last night.

It was when he went off that we stepped it up rather than passed it sidewards.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 21/03/2012 18:57
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The problem is that he was signed to play in the role (or same part of the pitch at least) that Bailey is playing, with Bailey playing an attacking role.

But that was in a rigid 442 (did WGS ever play anything different?) and a 433/451 could accommodate both players.

mwelolo Posted on 21/03/2012 18:59
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I think there would be very good reason to be very disapointed if there was not more to come from Thompson!

gravy173 Posted on 21/03/2012 19:01
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outoftowned

nail on the head

he's not bad he just doesnt want to know apart from the easy things, something which hoyte has a problem with

mwelolo Posted on 21/03/2012 19:06
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The man is a crab.

Jdub Posted on 21/03/2012 19:18
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Taking two seasons for a pro footballer to get fit,behave he is finished and also rubbish to boot,he will never play more than five games in a row,we were much better when he went off we were actually passing it forward!UTB

StarPlayer Posted on 21/03/2012 19:25
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MWELO has a point. When his career as a footballer has finished he will make special guest star appearances on deadliest catch.
Someone earlier said he is no Andy Peake. Unfortunately he is as effective as Andy Peake at the minute. As a fan nothing would please me more than seeing Thomson being a dynamic driving force for us. At the minute he is far from that. Other players are more effective at what he is trying to do at the minute.
I do accept that he is trying to overcome psychological barriers due to the serious injuries he has had and hope he does become the player some of you think he is.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 21/03/2012 19:30
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He played plenty of progressive passes last night, but you cant play an attacking pass every time - keeping the ball away from home is paramount.

Some of the comments on this thread - and others like it - come across as childish to be honest.

How many forward passes did any of the midfield three make?


mwelolo Posted on 21/03/2012 19:31
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The rest of the midfield are not held up as great ball players.

mcbrid Posted on 21/03/2012 19:32
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He fell over last night!

[:o)]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 21/03/2012 19:34
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"The rest of the midfield are not held up as great ball players."

So they don't attract criticism because they aren't as talented - is that what your saying?

captain5 Posted on 21/03/2012 19:37
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I think it's more that they do other jobs and they're better at them than he is.


StarPlayer Posted on 21/03/2012 19:37
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These threads are the bread n butter of the board. Be it Alves, Steele, Boyd everyone will have opinions. Thomson is the matchday thread you can guarantee atm.
Obviosly JonnyI your opinion is different to mine and I respect it, however my opinion is not based just on last night.

mwelolo Posted on 21/03/2012 19:38
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No, because there is a lower level of expectation.

Thomson is talked up but he does not deliver.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 21/03/2012 19:42
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He delivered last night.

I think some people have any opinion of him that is now prejudiced.

Same for some others, Hoyte being one.

stepanovs Posted on 21/03/2012 19:44
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I would expect at least the level he performed at last night over a long period before saying he should be in the first 11, not once a season and it being his best game.

captain5 Posted on 21/03/2012 19:46
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Had this argument with Adi last time this came up; the problem I have is this season, I just can't think of any one thing he's actually done.

With where he plays he should be at the centre of anything.

He just isn't.

bill_door Posted on 21/03/2012 19:51
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"better last night.. but hides too much.

Gets it... gives it sideways.... stands and watches.

To pull strings/dictate play.. you have too want it back from players other than a centre half"

Outoftowned, spot on.[^]

He needs to pretend that he gives a XXXXXX too. At Birmingham on Saturday he repeatedly gave the ball away cheaply and then jogged after the player. At one point Bailey sped past him busting his gut to get back, whilst Thomson sauntered.

He was alright last night, not excellent, not dire. Did a couple of good things, did a couple of woeful things. Certainly hasn't proved anything.

newyddion Posted on 21/03/2012 19:56
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Thomson have the potential to be an awesome partnering in midfield [^]

guyb Posted on 21/03/2012 20:02
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I like Thomson a lot. You don't become a bad player overnight - and he has had the most wretched luck with injuries I can remember since Paul Lake, fortunately not as severe.

I also think him and Bailey will be a great anchoring partnership with two maurauding wide men either side.

StarPlayer Posted on 21/03/2012 20:04
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This season he has started 9 games, one of which was abandoned at Ipswich. The others -

Won - 1
Drew - 3
Lost - 4

Sent off twice.
Like I say I hope he does become the player some think he is but he is not effective in our team.

OneJobOnTeesside Posted on 21/03/2012 20:35
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"Of course - all we need is 100% grafters isn't it

I refer to my earlier comment about Bobby Murdoch, who basically won us the Division 2 championship in 73/74 - don't remember him putting in the miles on the pitch, but one of the best players I've seen in a Boro shirt"

Nous_seron your point is way off the mark. First of all you are comparing players from completely different eras. No we need a lot more than 100% grafters but in this league you need to work very hard and keep your concentration. When I said he stands off by 20 yards I dont mean he should do the opposite and produce wonder tackle after another. Standing off is his game so he should do that but i just think he needs to get much tighter to his man than he currently is as the game can pass him by. Most of the time the ball is won by mistakes but you cant capitalise from a bad touch or a slip if you are 20 yards away.

Like I said I think the injuries have taken their toll mentally as well as physically and he relitively inexperienced in this league. Last night he did show signs of improvement tho.



mwelolo Posted on 21/03/2012 20:39
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He did OK last night in a mostly crab like way but showed no sign of being the great ball player he has been suggested to be.

Humpty Posted on 22/03/2012 07:52
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How would everyone describe Michael Carrick as a player? What exactly does he bring to Manchester United?

UAUA Posted on 22/03/2012 08:00
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"and he has had the most wretched luck with injuries I can remember since Paul Lake, fortunately not as severe."

Give over, what about Matty Bates??!!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 22/03/2012 08:15
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Yet he's been given lots of time to get back into the game without a great deal of criticism, despite some howlers.

Place of birth plays a major role on Teesside in the assessment of a player's credentials. It shouldn't.

zaphod Posted on 22/03/2012 09:26
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Bobby Murdoch could get away with less effort because he was an effective creative midfielder. Thomson isn't. The Boro's problem is in fact a lack of midfield creativity & Thomson doesn't help with that at all. He's just a less energetic & less effective version of Bailey.

gravy173 Posted on 22/03/2012 09:54
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I don't think Michael Carrick would be anywhere near as effective as he is due to the players playing around him, put Thomson in a good team and he would fit in better as he has talent but as things stand we either spend 10 million on good players to play alongside him or we sell him and play players who can play in a different style to him ie box to box.

UAUA Posted on 22/03/2012 09:57
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"Place of birth plays a major role on Teesside in the assessment of a player's credentials. It shouldn't."

To be honest yes it should. It shows the pride and passion in following your hometown team, especially if they are local lads.

If you watch the team through dispassionate and neutral eyes then you would be right. Thankfully some of us still dont.

newyddion Posted on 22/03/2012 10:11
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--------Ogbeche--Jutkiewicz-------
Hammill--Bailey--Thomson--Zemmmama
Bennett---Bates--Hines-------Hoyte
-------------Steele---------------

Humpty Posted on 22/03/2012 10:15
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Like West Ham gravy?

My point is Michael Carrick doesn't score goals nor is he considered a defensive midfielder yet he commands a place in one of the best teams in the world. Why? Because he keeps the ball moving, always shows for it and doesn't give it away...much like Kevin Thomson.

bear66 Posted on 22/03/2012 10:17
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Because he keeps the ball moving, always shows for it and doesn't give it away...much like err any of our midfielders but Kevin Thomson.

Humpty Posted on 22/03/2012 10:34
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*Rolls Eyes*

skiprat Posted on 22/03/2012 11:20
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Quite an incredible comparison there.

Thomson doesn't even do what you've described Carrick doing well anyway.

I've actually seen Carrick score as well.

AlBoro1984 Posted on 22/03/2012 11:44
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Carrick has a lot more to his game then keeping the ball moving and not hiding. Technically he is one of the best players in England. Thomson is more Djemba Djemba than Carrick currently.


trog64 Posted on 22/03/2012 11:48
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Some fans really are easily pleased if they can 'big up ' Kevin Thomson.

We could play Smallwood, Martin, Haroun, Robson or Arca in his position and each and everyone of them would offer the team more in terms of energy, creativity and effort.

Players that get rid of the ball like it is a hot potato, don't wish to take responsibility and are not too keen on tracking back are cheap as chips, but we are paying him top dollar !

(sorry about the cliches)

Humpty Posted on 22/03/2012 11:54
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Explain why its quite an 'incredible comparison' Skiprat?

skiprat Posted on 22/03/2012 12:02
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Well it's like saying I'm like Zidane because I can kick a ball in the right direction and so can he.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/03/2012 12:04
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what does thomson offer that other midfielders dont offer?

would we miss him if he was injured? we miss bailey or robson but dont think we would miss thomson. if it wasnt for his price tag/wages and reputation at celtic he would be nothign more than a squad player.

bear66 Posted on 22/03/2012 12:09
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"we miss bailey or robson" we certainly do and we miss thomson not being injured

ted_dn38416 Posted on 22/03/2012 12:54
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He's like a poor mans Pirlo. Haven't seen enough of him to have a proper opinion on him. Thought he's been average at best when i've seen him play but he did look solid the other night apart from when he fell over. Played well as a team for the first time in ages, Bailey looked fit and Smallwood put in a decent shift. Thought Martin looked good when he came on. He needs a run of games that he wont get, given how much there is to lose

gravyboat Posted on 22/03/2012 13:07
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I wondered how long it would take for the Carrick comparison.

Even for a player who is considered to be a bit of a plodder, he's far and away more mobile than Thomson is. He's also scored 19 goals in under 6 seasons, something which I can't imagine Thomson ever doing.

There seems to be this odd thought that because Thomson can look like a fairly cultured player with a good touch and neat and tidy short passing, its fine to completely ignore that he doesn't do anything else particularly well. Pretty much every other midfielder in the squad is better at getting forward, better at pressing, better at tackling, better at scoring goals, but because Thomson avoids giving the ball away by passing it easy, he's somehow our best midfielder.

jon_gannon_on_loan Posted on 22/03/2012 13:28
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Onejobonteesside -
"There was one occasion where he was in front of Bennett and Bennett didnt close down as Thomson was in front of him who just let the guy cross it. We could have conceded then."
That was Hammill who was in front of Bennett. Bailey came over on the cover and bollocked Bennett for it. It wasn't Thomson.

offside-again Posted on 22/03/2012 13:33
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Well when he was playing most games for Rangers he also offered tough tackling and then also giving the ball albeit simply to another player. It's all down to his fitness that he a) sometimes saunters too much and b) does not fly into tackles as much. Ergo until he plays 10 in a row I simply can't slag him off as a player. How much of his fitness issues are down to himself or just bad luck I don't know though so perhaps he should simply be slagged off for not managing 12 consecutive starts only ?

Wait and see if he plays 10-12 in a row before you write him off is my view, he could make some people look foolish yet....[;)]

skiprat Posted on 22/03/2012 14:18
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The fitness issue gets more tiring after every airing, especially when he could have fully fit and raring if it wasnt for his stupidity in getting sent off twice.

Him jogging about the pitch in the first 10-20 minutes of a game for example are nothing to do with his fitness.

offside-again Posted on 22/03/2012 14:23
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Wait and see till he plays 10 in a row. [;)]

OneJobOnTeesside Posted on 22/03/2012 14:25
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jon_gannon_on_loan - it was Thomson i watched it twice lol. Perhaps you were on about another occasion as I didnt see a bollocking from Bailey either!


HelmutSchmutz Posted on 22/03/2012 14:25
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Thomson never shows for the ball after his first pass. If he did we wouldnt be having this debate.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 22/03/2012 14:25
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Some people seem to have missed, or have decided to ignore, the tackles Thomson makes during games. He gets it, he plays it, he keeps hold of the ball, he keeps things moving. He isn't too bad in the tackle, as evidenced at West Ham and against Sunderland in the cup.

Jonny was right earlier, when he said some of the comments about Thomson are childish. And the other poster who said it doesn't matter what Thomson does because people have already made up their minds, a la Hoyte, Steele, Bennett, Andrew Taylor and countless others, well they were right too.

Bottom line is that the manager rates him. That'll do for me.

offside-again Posted on 22/03/2012 14:28
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I don't think he does make many tackles, purely due to the fitness worries he must still have. Hence why I think it is paramount for him to get about a dozen starts under his belt. He was like a terrier at Rangers, by his own standards, since he came here, he has hardly tackled anyone.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 22/03/2012 14:29
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I've seen him make loads of tackles!

offside-again Posted on 22/03/2012 14:31
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Nah it's not the same as when he at the Gers that is what I mean that he used to do loads and not been fully fit the biggest chance of that failing is a) running around loads and b) flying into tackles for 90 mins.

Still I have not seen that much of him but then again who has ?

trog64 Posted on 22/03/2012 15:21
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"I don't think he does make many tackles, purely due to the fitness worries he must still have"

Same worries that he might have about sprinting due to his pre season accident on a running machine !

offside-again Posted on 22/03/2012 15:25
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It sounds silly but yes the running must also be a slight concern. [:D]

jon_gannon_on_loan Posted on 22/03/2012 16:27
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Must have been another occasion then. Bailey give Bennett an ear full and it wasnt really his fault!

gravyboat Posted on 22/03/2012 16:59
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Viv,

I base my opinion on what I see, not some preconception. I thought he played pretty well against Forest, but other than that I've seen hardly anything from him. I just don't see exactly what it is he does. I think this 'keep things moving' idea is just a bit of a fallacy, and is not much more than him playing short passes, rather than actually making anything happen.

As it goes, I do think it's linked to his injures, but for me he has to make significant improvements if he's to make any sort of tangible impact on the team.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 22/03/2012 17:22
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Sorry gravy wasn't having a pop. I just get annoyed sometimes when I see people posting about him "not getting forward...", which he did at West Ham(why, he even had a shot!) and at Leicester(laying a goal on a plate for Lukas who just couldn't get his toe on it). Or how he "can't/doesn't tackle..." despite him making lots of tackles since he came back into the side, most notably against Sunderland when he was very, very good in that respect. Or how he "can't be arsed..." despite him being arsed enough to battle back from three very serious injuries over the course of his career(including two broken bones with us). Anyway, I'm prattling.

For me, I think he's a tidy midfielder. He does put his foot in, he does pass it well and he does keep a hold of things which I think is important away from home. Much like Hoyte's situation, it appears difficult for people to acknowledge when he does seven, eight, maybe nine, out of ten things right as they prefer to labour the one or two things he perhaps didn't do right. Such as him falling over the other night, which becomes a stick to beat with him and something that is talked about over any good stuff he did during the rest of the game.

I like him. I think he's looking much more slender than he did a month or two ago, he's making more of an impact in games and he covers more grass with every passing fixture. I like the idea of him in the middle with Bailey and Haroun, or Robson, because it would add some much needed variety to our play. All we can do is hope that he stays fit now, forget about what's gone before, and support the lad. Hopefully he can become as important to us as the manager thinks he can.

mwelolo Posted on 22/03/2012 18:29
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"would we miss him if he was injured? we miss bailey or robson but dont think we would miss thomson. if it wasnt for his price tag/wages and reputation at celtic he would be nothign more than a squad player."

Absolutely spot on, he comes with a reputation as a ball player but I simply haven't seen it.




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Nous_serons Posted on 22/03/2012 18:32
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Well I'll help the thread on to a ton [^]

Think my Murdoch comment was misinterpreted (I did say Murdoch "type" role), but whatever ....

UAUA Posted on 22/03/2012 18:41
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So when you said "type", you didnt actually mean like him at all? Other than not running much?

Humpty Posted on 22/03/2012 18:59
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Its quite obvious that some people have already made their mind up over Thomson (Skiprat, cap5 and gravy) regardless of what he does. I think the Zidane 'comparison' highlights that. Its a childish response because theres no foundation behind the prejudixe they have

outoftowned Posted on 22/03/2012 19:05
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surely thats the same level of presumptions by those who'll think he "come good"???

Maybe he will.. but in the last 18 months he has done little more than smallwood imo to influence games


bill_door Posted on 22/03/2012 19:19
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Thomson hasn't actually been injured since January.

How long do we have to wait before he's considered fit and his apparent mediocrity can be attributed to other causes other than fitness?

skiprat Posted on 22/03/2012 19:25
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Humpty I seriously have no prejudice against any of our players, they are what they are, in the main pretty poor to watch but that's why we are in the championship.

I bear no malice to any player, I think Hoyte and Steele have taken so much unnecessary slack this season and as far as Thomson goes I've given him the benefit of doubt for as long as I've watched him but whatever it is you are seeing I'm just not.

To compare him with Carrick is just silly, as already pointed out Carrick tends to play forward as well as break down play plus he chips in with goals. Is it such a bad thing to want more from Thomson in that respect?

This stuff about keeping the ball moving is a fallacy as well, it's pointless if he's just passing it continually sideways, he slows the game down more than any of our midfielders and is a big factor in why have lost in so many games he has played in. It's no coincedence that when he went off on Tuesday we actually took a grip of the midfield and created chances with forward pressure.

This fitness joke cannot continue as well, he has had more than enough time and game time to be up to speed by now, it's an easy excuse to let him off the hook.

Now, ignoring all this I'm not entrenched in any view, I'm as open as I am with any player but unless they do enough to change my mind then why should I?

skiprat Posted on 22/03/2012 19:44
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Just another point, ask yourself if he left tomorrow would you miss him?

I probably wouldn't remember him in 3 years time.

mwelolo Posted on 22/03/2012 19:53
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He would almost be forgotten in three months, the only lingering memory would be of him having been a big disapointment.

captain5 Posted on 22/03/2012 20:16
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There must be some sort of old crocks club that Humpty and Thomson are both members of.

I am quite willing to change my mind on players. I always used to dislike Hoyte but he's been fine this season.

I even ended up sticking up for Brad Jones on here FFS.

I can't think of anything he's done over and above what I'd expect him to do as the bare minimum, which is exactly what I'd be looking for, if he was a young kid coming through.

He may not be a total bottler in tackling but he's by no means a good tackler. I do get a bit sick of him sauntering back when we lose the ball, rather than properly chasing like Bailey would.

He's a luxury player but hasn't provided any luxurious moments as yet. In a slow and a generally goalshy midfield he's just not the right man for us.

stepanovs Posted on 22/03/2012 20:19
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I think Captain's last sentence sums him up perfectly.

Nous_serons Posted on 22/03/2012 21:15
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"So when you said "type", you didnt actually mean like him at all? Other than not running much?"

[:P][:D]

captain5 Posted on 22/03/2012 22:56
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And as for the not fit yet arguments, he's been involved in not far off half of our games this season.

At what point should he be fit, bearing in mind he missed a few games due to suspension??

redwurzel Posted on 22/03/2012 23:18
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I think everyone has to accept he is very slow - too slow for me I am afraid. I saw him at Coventry and he did try to his credit, but his slowness got him sent off.

I thought he was carried a bit in the games he played in at the end of last season.

captain5 Posted on 22/03/2012 23:22
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Including substitute appearances, he's made just short of 40 appearances. At what point does he actually do something.

I think he's the only member of our first team squad not to score for us, barring Hamill.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 23/03/2012 00:43
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I must've missed Jason Steele's purple patch in front of goal, captain.

Humpty Posted on 23/03/2012 03:12
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"To compare him with Carrick is just silly, as already pointed out Carrick tends to play forward as well as break down play plus he chips in with goals. Is it such a bad thing to want more from Thomson in that respect?

This stuff about keeping the ball moving is a fallacy as well, it's pointless if he's just passing it continually sideways, he slows the game down more than any of our midfielders and is a big factor in why have lost in so many games he has played in. It's no coincedence that when he went off on Tuesday we actually took a grip of the midfield and created chances with forward pressure.

This fitness joke cannot continue as well, he has had more than enough time and game time to be up to speed by now, it's an easy excuse to let him off the hook."

I don't know where to start. A player needs up to five games on the bounce to get match fitness and he hasn't had that for various reasons, some being his own doing of course. So it's not a joke no.

I you think keeping the ball moving is a fallacy or unimportant in the this game, then i dont think there's anything i can say to convince you otherwise. I'm quite gobsmacked especially in a Tony Mowbray team.

The comparison with Carrick isn't silly because Carrick doesn't score nor is he renowned for breaking up play. I've never heard him described as a defensive midfielder. I'm not saying he's of that standard obviously, but Carrick and Thomson are both "luxury" players as someone described them. Funny how United can find space in their team a player that slows the game down and continually passes the ball sideways.

bear66 Posted on 23/03/2012 07:02
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All we need to do is sign hernandez, rooney, evra, nani, giggs, young and valencia and thomson will come good . . . we may even have the luxury to play berbatov as well

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 23/03/2012 07:18
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Thankfully Humpty has introduced some sense into this thread.

It's true we did look more threatening going forward when Thomson and Smallwood both went off (hardly a surprise given they were replaced by forwards) but what you conveniently fail to mention is that we also looked more vulnerable at the back.

UAUA Posted on 23/03/2012 07:57
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"The comparison with Carrick isn't silly because Carrick doesn't score"

He doesnt get loads, but he does score. Mind you Tim Howard has also scored more than Thomson in recent seasons.

As for the fallacy that he "moves the ball around", he does it no better than anyone else in our squad.

Defensively he is s**t at tracking runners which often puts Bates et al under pressure.

As Captain5 has said.....what DOES he do?

These "5 games on the bounce" - do they have to be 90 minutes - what is the exact criteria? If he misses one match does the 5 game clock start again?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 23/03/2012 08:34
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'It's true we did look more threatening going forward when Thomson and Smallwood both went off'

You're forgetting the other bloke that was taken off. Emnes departure meant we were back up to eleven men. Look at the nature of the substitutions too, positionally we opted for a more attacking outlook, we'd been playing a holding game beforehand.

Of the midfielders, Smallwood made the poorer contribution, but that wouldn't be picked up by the poster above because he's a local kid.

Boromart Posted on 23/03/2012 08:52
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I watched the game again last night, Thomson played quite well. He played much more advanced than I have seen recently, rarely gave the ball away and showed a fairly wide range of passing.

He also put a few strong tackles in and tracked back more than he has in recent games.

I think he is slowly regaining match fitness.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 23/03/2012 09:28
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Of course he did boromart, anyone who has an open mind in relation to Thomson could see what a good game he had, but unfortunately some people are son entrenched in their views they can't (or won't) see it.

skiprat Posted on 23/03/2012 10:12
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He did have a good game on Tuesday. We still didn't threaten their goal though until the final third of the game.

Is this fairly low number of games he's played well in enough? Not for me.

"Of the midfielders, Smallwood made the poorer contribution, but that wouldn't be picked up by the poster above because he's a local kid."

Or because he's not on good wages with a 2 million pound transfer fee behind him.

I really don't see why it's such a big thing to want more from the lad. It's as simple as that.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 23/03/2012 10:45
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"We still didn't threaten their goal until the final third of the game..."

Hmm. Our first shot of the game was after about five minutes from, erm, Kevin Thomson just outside the box.

bear66 Posted on 23/03/2012 10:59
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I thought he had a reasonable game although he wasn't too visible in the first half. He went in for a few crunching tackles but, apart from one good interception, he then relies on someone else to pick up the loose ball. The two traits of his game that let him down are the pass to him where he runs straight back where the ball came from . . . this is always into the pile of players that the previous passer was trying to get away from; the second is his lack of mobility after making a pass, when he is rarely in a position to play the second part of a 1-2

skiprat Posted on 23/03/2012 11:39
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The key word in that phrase Viv is "goal", Thomson's chance missed that big frame we try to aim for IIRC.

[^]

r00fie Posted on 23/03/2012 11:40
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I couldnt see him for the black shirts[xx(]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 23/03/2012 11:42
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[smi]

Having a shot at goal, a shot that goes half a yard wide, is 'threatening'' said goal though, is it not? Or do only shots that make the goalkeeper work for his money count as threatening?

sasboro1 Posted on 23/03/2012 11:42
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if he hadnt cost 2 million and on big wages(he was signed under strachan) tehn he would be stuck i teh reserves. we are stuck with him long term so the manmager has to give him as many chances as he can to see if he can come good. but there will be a poitn where the manager will give up and prefer other cheaper midfielders who are more effective

mcbrid Posted on 23/03/2012 12:54
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Lets hope that point is reached in time to stop him destroying our play off chances!

[V][V][V]

captain5 Posted on 23/03/2012 13:21
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We did go more attacking when he went off by bringing Mo and Bart on along with Martin but if Thomson can't do that himself then I don't understand what he's there for.

Most footballers dream of scoring the winning goal in a cup final. I think Thomson's sleep is full of sideways and backwards passes.

Humpty Posted on 25/03/2012 03:09
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Any thoughts following yesterdays performance?

JLinardi Posted on 25/03/2012 03:17
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I thought he was much improved yesterday, was crunching into challenges and had alot more presence in the midfield. Got over run at times in the 2nd half when he was the only 'sitting' midfielder, but was helped by the defence.

Was comfortable in posession and kept the ball moving, looked better once Bailey went off for 2nd half and he had more mobile players to give the ball to.

Over all far better from him and hes been improving every game since returning from suspension [^]

offside-again Posted on 25/03/2012 05:11
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He is looking much better and is going to make all his critics look foolish if he stays fit. Here's hoping he manages to do that, I am already making some humble pie and will send slices of it out for you to munch.[:D][^]

I won't be needing any, nor will Humpty or any of the others who backed him as a good player. People forget the mental side of the game and fitness or more importantly CONFIDENCE in fitness is crucial for any 'Terrier like' midfielder, looks like it is coming back to him, it won't be long before it feels like a new signing and with the other players to come back we could time it perfectly for the play offs.

JLinardi Posted on 25/03/2012 05:32
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I admit I heavily critisised him when he returned to playing this year. It was mainly his peformances I didnt like, not him as a player as many others were. Glad hes turning things round now.

BreakTheWallsDown Posted on 25/03/2012 07:41
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Always thought he had the potential to be our best player [^]

mwelolo Posted on 25/03/2012 08:19
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Seems that some people are very easily pleased.

gravyboat Posted on 25/03/2012 09:33
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He was our best midfielder yesterday.

He took responsibility, and looked far better for it.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 25/03/2012 09:44
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As Higgy said yesterday in the radio, Thomson is a real quality player.

But some people have formed a certain opinion of him and their prejudice is to entrenched they will never give him the obvious credit his recent performances deserve.

Jason Steele was the early season whipping boy, but the boo boys seem to have gone quite of late - do they still think he doesn't 'talk to the back four', or that 'the back four don't have any confidence in him'?

Some of the feckless wonders on this board are an embarrasment at times.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course and a message board is the exact place for that debate, but sometimes rational and sensible debate is impossible when you read some of the ridiculous comments on here.

jimmy_james Posted on 25/03/2012 09:45
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I thought he was good yesterday.

We however would have been better off for him to have gone on loan to Darlo to recover there as he has been pretty awful at times during his road to full potential.

gravyboat Posted on 25/03/2012 09:47
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His recent performances - Forest apart - don't deserve any credit, because he's been poor.

Yesterday, was much improved, and I liked what I saw.

Sitrep Posted on 25/03/2012 09:48
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FFS, Have your heard yerselves? It was Bristolfu(kincity at home, who was he up against in this prestigious football team?

He's had his honeymoon period, he's not good enough for this league

Humpty Posted on 25/03/2012 10:27
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^ another that refuses to admit he may have been wrong?

The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 10:29
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It's ok to think he's XXXXXX but its not ok to let that cloud your judgement in recognising a fine performance. Thommo played well yesterday. Even if you admit it you can still think he's XXXXXX.

gravyboat Posted on 25/03/2012 10:37
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'he's not good enough for this league'

Rubbish.

I think his performances this season have been very disappointing, but as I've said further up this thread, I do believe that is linked to his injuries.

He looked more mobile yesterday, and was more effective for it.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/03/2012 10:37
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Was he really that good yesterday? Looked very average against a side that could get relegated. I've seen bailey and robson put in far better games. Are people saying that was one of thomsons better game? Is so then he cant be very good

gravyboat Posted on 25/03/2012 10:40
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His performance was an improvement on what we've seen so far, and he was far more assured than Bailey.


The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 10:41
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All I'm saying is he played well sasboro, which he did. Nowt more than that. No need for an inquest, just say he played well or he didn;t. Easy.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 25/03/2012 10:43
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The thing is he's getting better (stronger, quicker, better passing) with every game, so he's clearly not playing at his peak yet.

Far too many people have written him off, far too prematurely.

Bailey was terrible for long periods don't forget.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/03/2012 10:45
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I wouldnt say he played well. Maybe by the standards by what we expect of him. But didnt influence the midfield really and played his usual game.like to know some examples that proved he had a good game. Not a patch on bailey or robson when they have a good game.

The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 10:51
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I don't agree with that at all. Still nolt up to speed yet but still head and shoulders our best midfielder yesterday. At the heart of our best play, kept the ball really well and defended well as well. Nowt wrong with what he did at sll yet some people can't judge him on what he does, only on what they already think of him.

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 12:03
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He was better than he has been but still didn't stamp this 'undoubted quality' on a game against what was a pretty poor Bristol City team.

Was made to look better by Bailey having an absolutely stinker.

Humpty Posted on 25/03/2012 12:18
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[:D]

sasboro1 Posted on 25/03/2012 12:20
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still dont remember him being outstanding yesterday, seems one of those midfielders who doenst stand out or opposition fans sit up and take notice.

See how he copes against ipswich who are a tough team at home.

so if he played ok yesterday can we now say he is fully match fit, so if he has poor gamesd against better teams we cant say he isnt match fit.


gravyboat Posted on 25/03/2012 12:32
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He is technically a good player - better than Bailey regarding touch, clever play in tight area's etc.

My argument about his contribution is that he saunters about, doesn't close people down, plays the easy ball too often and, even when playing alongside Bailey, doesn't get forward enough.

Yesterday, I think he was more mobile, more in peoples faces, which is an improvement. I still think he needs to be more adventurous with his passing before he can make a real impact, but if he can continue to get about the pitch more, I think he can be an asset.


captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 12:34
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Exactly what gravyboat said.

I love the way Humpty hoofed it as though he'd just scored the goal that Martin got, rather than guided us to a pretty pedestrian home draw against one of the worst teams in the division.

ron_manager Posted on 25/03/2012 12:43
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Thomson for England.[:D]

trog64 Posted on 25/03/2012 12:46
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Particularly enjoyed the way he got skinned down our right side in the first half which should have led to an easy second goal.

Ambled around, laughed bit and played the odd hospital ball.

A good days work !

bear66 Posted on 25/03/2012 12:47
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agree with gravyboat and captain 5

Zemmama ans Martin showed how two average, lightweight players can provide a team impetus that got us back in the game just by being mobile . . . something you could never accuse thomson of being

The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 13:06
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Prejudice and pre judgement at its worst on this thread.

I've decided he's XXXXXXe so he is.

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 13:08
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Really??[:D]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 25/03/2012 13:12
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"Zemmama ans Martin showed how two average, lightweight players can provide a team impetus that got us back in the game just by being mobile . . . something you could never accuse thomson of being"

Not really a relevant comparison though is it?

Thomson is (and was bought to be) a defensive midfield player, with bailey playing high up.

It would be an equally irrelevant point to say that Martin and Zemmama are defensive weak.

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 13:27
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Bailey playing high up??

I thought one of Thomson's strong points was his range of passing??

Is it his energy, workrate and defensive skills that we should judge him on??

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 25/03/2012 13:32
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Bailey was bought as a goal scoring midfielder remember?

Thomson is a similar player to Leon Brittain at Swansea (who WGS tried to bring here as an alternative to Thomson - no coincidence there)

Some football luvvies call it the 'quarterback' role, one that sits behind the play, always available as an outlet.

I'm not sure why it's difficult to see what type of player Thomson is, but reading many of he comments on this thread I'm sure some people berate him for not being something he never has been.

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 13:34
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Well I think that's a load of tosh, but if that is so, what is Bailey's role??

Mowbray has never played him as an attacking midfielder.

The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 13:35
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He is no way a defensive midfielder!! Leon Britain role is spot on btw

Don't you just have to judge how he plays or is that a bit too simple?

If he plays well like yesterday say so. If he plays XXXXXXe say so. Dead simple.


Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 25/03/2012 13:39
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Tosh? Ok.

WGS bought bailey as an attacking midfielder with Thomson playing a deeper role - I'm not sure which bit of that was difficult to pick up?

The fact that Mogga plays bailey deep now men's we have two players who can perform in the same area of the pitch albeit in different ways.

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 13:40
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I said earlier on that I thought he did better.

If he'd played really well we'd be bemoaning other players for missing the chances that he laid on a plate for them.


The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 13:41
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Why captain? He's either creating chances or hes XXXXXXe?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 25/03/2012 13:45
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If you judge Thomson on the chances he creates in a game you are set to be permanently disappointed.

In the same way you would be if you judged bailey in that way.

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 13:47
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I don't judge Bailey in that way.

What if I judged Thomson on how well the team did when he's playing?

Crazy stuff like how often we win??

You'd be permanently disappointed on this season's showing.

The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 13:50
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But probably not last seasons.

Is it too much to ask to simply judge him how he plays each game? Sometime he's been XXXXXXe sometimes good sometimes average.

Yesterday he was good.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 25/03/2012 13:52
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FFS captain, I give up.

bear66 Posted on 25/03/2012 14:02
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What was thomson's role when martin came on? The attacking play came from Zemmama, Hammill and Martin . . . . our back 4 was exposed time after time in the last 15 minutes (fortunately Bristol City were toothless) as there was no 'Bailey' to protect them

AlBoro1984 Posted on 25/03/2012 14:12
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I think he might well be off in the Summer. He just hasn't been value for the fee/wages has he? Barring the back end of last season when he managed to string a few games together with no pressure on the team, he's offered so little. Better than Bailey yesterday yes.... but it was Bristol City. Let's see how he does against some decent teams next few games, if he plays well and we pick up points I'll gladly praise him.

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 14:15
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I think we've only won once in a league game he's started this season and he got sent off in that one.

The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 14:21
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I know and every game we've lost just about Steele has been in goal. Can't be a coincidence.

bill_door Posted on 25/03/2012 14:28
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"He was better than he has been but still didn't stamp this 'undoubted quality' on a game against what was a pretty poor Bristol City team."

What he said ^.

Someone said he was had and shoulders our best midfielders yesterday - well considering that Robson, Williams, Haroun weren't playing and Bailey went off at half time, he bloody well should have been. He was alright, once again did some things well and some things were woeful. Yet it was Martin who had the bigger impact because he actually provided the thing we desperately lack - a link between the midfield and the strikers, rather than a huge gap.

He wasn't sensational at all, not sure why people are going as if anything was 'proven' yesterday - our midfield was overran too often yesterday by a poor team.

Jutkiewicz Posted on 25/03/2012 14:32
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Thomson had his best game in a Boro shirt yesterday.

And by that I mean he was anonymous rather than a walking liablity

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 14:37
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Well that was rather silly, Mr Clique.

It would be fairly easy to name the games that Steele has played well in and won us points.

I reckon if you looked at our players on a points gained while playing, Thomson would be the bottom of the rankings.


The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 14:54
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And Steele would be highest in the number of losses played in.

Stats mean nowt. Who knows who the opposition was and who he was playing with.

Keep it simple, he played well yesterday. Some people like him and some don't.

I am undecided so I don't judge the lad before he's kicked a ball.

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 14:57
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Funnily enough, I stuck up for him for a while; not had a run of games, wait until he's fit etc.

I've now watched him enough to say this season he's not been good enough.

How many games do you need to make your obviously sharp mind up about him?

The comparison with Steele and losses is just silly and you'd rightly scoff at anyone else trying to make it.

bear66 Posted on 25/03/2012 15:01
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Good summary Jutk . . .

bill_door Posted on 25/03/2012 15:16
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The comparison with Steele and losses is silly because it's also not true. There's about 8 people who have played more games than him for a start.

The_Clique Posted on 25/03/2012 15:19
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It Was meant to be silly!

bill_door Posted on 25/03/2012 15:30
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Good.[:D]

Look back through our season and divide it into periods of success and periods of being XXXXXX and poor results. There's a remarkable correlation with Thomson being in or out of the side.

Which is just coincidence. I want him to come good, especially as we're approaching a crucial last 9 games. I'm not expecting him to though.

bear66 Posted on 25/03/2012 15:33
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There needs to be a reasonable number of games with and without a player to make a comparison; also, the number of starts versus 15 minute sub cameos.

On total games, 1.16 points per game (18 games) where thomson has played a part and 2 points per game when he hasn't (20 games). He hasn't had enough 75-90 minute appearances to conclude whether he is as bad as those stats suggest.

offside-again Posted on 25/03/2012 16:01
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[:D][cr]

Poor old Thommo he's gonna have to turn into Lio messi's lovechild to get any credit.

captain5 Posted on 25/03/2012 16:53
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bear66 - do those games where he has played include the sub appearances??

His stats will be a lot better for sub appearances than for starts, would you say?

mwelolo Posted on 25/03/2012 17:19
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He was fairly anonymous in a poor midfield against poor oposition.

Yes better than he has mostly been but really nothing very special at all.


bear66 Posted on 25/03/2012 18:19
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"bear66 - do those games where he has played include the sub appearances??"

Yes it's from soccerbase which includes starts + sub appearances

gravy173 Posted on 25/03/2012 20:41
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he was better yesterday and his performance was ok, however we drew 1-1 against a team looking at relegation, some perspective needed all round

Humpty Posted on 26/03/2012 06:18
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I don't think he'll ever win everyone over because he's not a headless chicken. Boro fans love a headless chicken. What was it Mclaren said..the fans need educating? It was galling at the time but he wasn't far off.

joseph99 Posted on 26/03/2012 07:27
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Looks like McClaren and his backroom staff need to get back into the classroom looking at them struggle comprehend basic arithmetics scribbling frantically in their note books.


Link: scheteve

skiprat Posted on 26/03/2012 10:21
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I've completely changed my mind.

Seeing him dominate one of the best sides in Bristol, creating chances at will, NOT getting skinned on the edge of our box and scoring 4 goals is a massive improvement.

Fair play Thommo lad, keep it up son.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/03/2012 10:25
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Thought he, and the rest of the team were fairly poor on Saturday. I was particularly disappointed in the centre backs, again. Bailey was poor in midfield by his standards and deserved to be taken off.

The problems for me come from Mogga's negative approach. When we go forward he has his two central midfielders playing a cautious holding role, we get the ball forwards fairly fast but there's too much distance both between the strikers, and between the forwards and midfielders.

Hopefully when he can change his playing staff in the summer the balance will return.

bear66 Posted on 26/03/2012 10:39
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I almost agree with C_T_C!!!

Only the last thing. His approach with nothing to play for last season was very attacking and mobile. We scored goals and we conceded goals but still got a reasonabe points per game (particularly when the pressure was off in the last few months). This season we have been more cautious . . . but even more cautious in the last 5 weeks . . . which is strange as that's when we've brought in a more attacking player in hammill. It's not the playing staff that will change things but tactics. Zemmam amd Martin have not done much this season, neither are first-teamers, but the changed the dynamics of the team in the second half just by providing a link from defence through to strikers. Shame we haven't balanced caution for the big teams with all out attack against the no-hopers.

sasboro1 Posted on 26/03/2012 10:41
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dont think bailey and thomson works. when it is bailey and robson, robson gets up field and chips in with goals. thomson is defensive and bailey has played his best football when he can play infront of the defence

Humpty Posted on 26/03/2012 11:10
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I agree with the tactics angle. I don't think Mowbrays game plans have always neccesarily suited his team selections...I'd say this is to do with his limited transfer budget and a lack of personnel to play his own style of passing football.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/03/2012 11:13
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'dont think bailey and thomson works'

it's the role they're asked to play that isn't working..one should be pushed forward to pressure the opposition defence

sasboro1 Posted on 26/03/2012 11:15
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"one should be pushed forward to pressure the opposition defence"

but they arent really attacking midfielders. thats the problem. when robson playes he has the ablity to get forward and can shoot...has thomson ever forced a save from a keeper yet?


Humpty Posted on 26/03/2012 11:18
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Has Bailey? After all he's the attacking midfielder, or at least he was when we bought him.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/03/2012 11:24
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'but they arent really attacking midfielders'

One should be defending higher up the pitch, we've used it to great affect away from home, why not use the same tactic at home more consistently. It worked for the short spell where we used it on Saturday. As soon as we scored we reverted to negativity.

That short spell before we scored we actually looked like a team taking it seriously.


Steel-City_Smoggy Posted on 26/03/2012 12:03
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More to come, well there can't be any less to come can there! [:D]

boro5 Posted on 26/03/2012 13:16
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Corcaigh the Cat is spot on. Bailey&Thomo may be fine for certain away games to shut up shop, but as seen at the weekend we were basically playing with a back 6 !!![:(]

Sitrep Posted on 27/03/2012 20:17
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Arca preferred to the the pedestrian Thompson, who'd have thought it?

sasboro1 Posted on 27/03/2012 23:42
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Bailey,arca and robson in the team and the midfield seemed a lot stronger and made ipswich work hard and we never gave ipswich time to settle. Bailey was immense as centre back. Robson was a big influence but faded a bit towards the end. Arca played well too. Performances we are still waiting from thomson. Mogga got it right to put him on the bench

coluka Posted on 28/03/2012 00:00
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You say that, but I'd put money that Thommo will start on Saturday though

UAUA Posted on 28/03/2012 00:15
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Oh no that means the 10 game clock will have to restart!

Sitrep Posted on 28/03/2012 09:15
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Caller on BBC Tees last night come up with the stats of wins without †Thompson in the side 51 %, with him in the side 11 % .

but you just wait till he's really really really fit, then that percentage will go up to at least 15%. Wins.

Humpty Posted on 28/03/2012 09:22
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Steele has been involved in more losses than Thomson, so what? Stats can be manipulated to (dis)prove anything.

Honestly you'd think this lad played for the mackems the way half the board slate him.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 28/03/2012 10:09
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'Look back through our season and divide it into periods of success and periods of being XXXXXX and poor results. There's a remarkable correlation with Thomson being in or out of the side.'

Does it also coincide with injuries/suspension to the team's other key members by any chance?

Bailey, Robson, Mcdonald, Haroun, Williams perhaps? The team's best players.




UAUA Posted on 28/03/2012 10:17
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"Does it also coincide with injuries/suspension to the team's other key members by any chance?

Bailey, Robson, Mcdonald, Haroun, Williams perhaps? The team's best players."

I bet its nowhere near as stark as that Thomson stat.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 28/03/2012 11:21
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That stat mean nothing. It's a team game.

What's the Coyne v. Steele stats?

Or Ricard v. Ravanelli?

Juninho v. Pollock?

trog64 Posted on 28/03/2012 12:39
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Fact is though that we are a more mobile, energetic, threatening, atractive and entertaining team without him in it !

UAUA Posted on 28/03/2012 12:42
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Its a team game in which we do much better when a certain player is absent.