|Vespa-Scooter Posted on 17/03/2012 18:16|
Possible cardiac on the pitch ??? Players look shocked.
|ThePrisoner Posted on 17/03/2012 18:17|
Hope it's not as serious as it looks. Was he tackled or did he just take ill?
|Marvanelli Posted on 17/03/2012 18:18|
Fans, players all upset
|maninashed Posted on 17/03/2012 18:18|
man.. this looks really bad. fingers crossed.
|Vespa-Scooter Posted on 17/03/2012 18:18|
Seemed to fall.Poor lad.
|tom_mate Posted on 17/03/2012 18:19|
This is horrible.
|Vespa-Scooter Posted on 17/03/2012 18:19|
Looks like abandonment..Hope he recovers soon.
|Marvanelli Posted on 17/03/2012 18:20|
Dont know how the players can go on after that
Hope he's ok
|Vespa-Scooter Posted on 17/03/2012 18:21|
Abandoned.Get well soon lad.
|1finny Posted on 17/03/2012 18:23|
Watching it abroad. No camera shot of anything that happened. Did he just collapse?
|Chappy112 Posted on 17/03/2012 18:23|
That was horrible viewing.
|Sitrep Posted on 17/03/2012 18:25|
Trying to resuscitate him whilst carrying him off, doesn't look good.
|Vespa-Scooter Posted on 17/03/2012 18:25|
Only saw him lying face down,,players looked shocked !
|Stanley_Downing Posted on 17/03/2012 18:26|
Can't believe what I just watched, hope he's okay but doesn't look good
|phil_ostine Posted on 17/03/2012 18:28|
I missed what happened. Left the room for a second, came back in and he was on the floor. I assumed he'd been on the end of a bad tackle.
Awful to see/hear about this.
|viv_andersons_nana Posted on 17/03/2012 18:28|
This is the worst thing I have ever seen whilst watching a game of football. I really and sincerely hope the lad makes it.
|offside-again Posted on 17/03/2012 18:31|
Please be ok.
Terrible, just terrible.
|Ghost_of_Sparta Posted on 17/03/2012 18:32|
Come on FM, pull through this lad.
|Renrut Posted on 17/03/2012 18:33|
Doesn't bode well that they have called the game off now. Hope and pray that the guy pulls through.
|Chappy112 Posted on 17/03/2012 18:34|
Seen the same before with Puerta and Foe. It's the most horrible thing to see.
|Revol_Tees Posted on 17/03/2012 18:35|
Horrendous, hope he pulls through. Justin Hoyte has just put this on Twitter, obviously close to him: "I seriously hope my best friend in football @fmuamba is ok. Stay strong bro please please stay strong. God is with u remember tht!!!!! "
|LTS_3 Posted on 17/03/2012 18:36|
Horrendous when things like this happen to people who you assume are fit as a fiddle and in the prime of their life
Hope he pulls through it
|junouk Posted on 17/03/2012 18:38|
this is horrid.
I can't watch. Glad the game is called of and hope the lad pulls through this.
Awful just awful. Still no word but he is on his way to the hospital according to yahoo.
|newyddion Posted on 17/03/2012 18:38|
Quality player Muamba
I hope the lad is going to be ok
|Muttley Posted on 17/03/2012 18:38|
Looked very bad, from what I saw he just dropped and appeared to be having a fit.
Hope he makes it.
|HolgateSp1kes Posted on 17/03/2012 18:40|
Lets hope he makes a full recovery
|bblf Posted on 17/03/2012 18:40|
Come on fella we are all rooting for you.
|phil_ostine Posted on 17/03/2012 18:40|
It's hard to get your head around stuff like this. Only 23. Hopefully he'll pull through. Awful, awful news.
|Babe_Rhuth Posted on 17/03/2012 18:41|
"Seen the same before with Puerta and Foe. It's the most horrible thing to see"
Feher of Benfica as well.
Seems to be happening rather too much these days.
|Class_of_86 Posted on 17/03/2012 18:41|
Hope he's ok
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 18:44|
"ESPN say that Muamba is still receiving CPR on the way to hospital."
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 18:46|
Tweet: Middlesbrough defender Justin Hoyte, who came through the Arsenal youth team with Muamba: "I seriously hope my best friend in football is OK. Stay strong bro please please stay strong. God is with you remember that."
|Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 17/03/2012 18:48|
Puts everything into perspective,Espeically all the people who complain about small things. I really hope he pulls through. The poor guy
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 18:49|
"6.44pm The ESPN reporter in the tunnel says that Bolton are preparing a statement to confirm that Muamba is on his way to hospital. There is no further information, and we still don't know whether attempts to resusciate Muamba have been successful. It's hard to articulate just how shocked everybody looks, from the referee to the players to the ESPN team."
|Link: Updates from the Guardian|
|SKEELO Posted on 17/03/2012 18:49|
Hope the lads ok, was watching it myself and it was very upsetting.
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 18:51|
"The latest news on Fabrice Muamba is that medical staff were still trying to resuscitate him on his way to hospital. ESPN have reported that Bolton boss Owen Coyle and club captain Kevin Davies are set to join him there."
|Link: Beeb updates|
|Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 17/03/2012 18:51|
Sounds very bad. If he pulls through this it will be a suprise.
|squarewheelbike Posted on 17/03/2012 18:53|
Then, come on lad surprise us!
|Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 17/03/2012 18:59|
Reports that they got him breathing in the Ambulance.
|maninashed Posted on 17/03/2012 19:00|
this is the lowest point i've ever known as a football fan. pull through muamba.
|mwelolo Posted on 17/03/2012 19:01|
Strange, was thinking about Mark Vivien Foe dieing during a game just this morning, how unpleasant this was and recalling other footballer deaths.
|PinkPonce Posted on 17/03/2012 19:08|
I feel sick. Just awful. Hope he pulls through.
PP ... x
|xBoro_Scallyx Posted on 17/03/2012 19:10|
Pray For Muamba
|Stretch177 Posted on 17/03/2012 19:11|
Feel sick, hope he is ok.....keep this updated lads on way back from the match
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 19:11|
"The last we heard was that Muamba was on his way to hospital, that he was not breathing and that he was still receiving CPR. That was 35 minutes ago."
From the Guardian link provided above. Come on Fabrice, you can do this!
|Wilton Posted on 17/03/2012 19:11|
Cannot believe people are posting anything but good messages on here at the moment. What does it matter about mogga and team selection ect at the minute.
|karl_hungus Posted on 17/03/2012 19:12|
shame how you all feel sick etc
but there was about 6 reponses to a post last week about an amercian butchering 9 children
strange how as humans beings, we revere the people in the public eye, and display irrational remorse and sadness for there fortunes but don't really give a XXXXXX if there not famous
for the record, i hope he ok and recovers, just like i would anybody else
|ron_manager Posted on 17/03/2012 19:15|
Karl you are a knob head
|Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 17/03/2012 19:15|
this is horrible. I hope he is ok
|Chappy112 Posted on 17/03/2012 19:15|
I don't think it's a famous person, it's more because he plays in the sport that I love. That's how it is with me anyway.
|Stanley_Downing Posted on 17/03/2012 19:15|
Not the time karl
|mwelolo Posted on 17/03/2012 19:16|
Not often that I would agree with the Dude but he is correct.
|skiprat Posted on 17/03/2012 19:17|
Long time no see on that login The_Dude.
|PinkPonce Posted on 17/03/2012 19:18|
Wrong time wrong place, dude.
The difference here is because it was witnessed. If you read about any kind of accident in the paper it can never have the same affect as witnessing it in person. That's just the way we're all made, including you.
PP ... x
|mwelolo Posted on 17/03/2012 19:19|
I can't imagine that everyone who has posted on here witnessed it.
No means less sad though, feel for his family.
|maninashed Posted on 17/03/2012 19:20|
longer this goes on the worse it feels.
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 19:21|
Tremendous credit to Howard Webb for handling the incident with great calmness, expedience and incredible professionalism. The fans, the medics, staff, everyone - bless them all for handling such a difficult, heart-wrenching situation in such a heart-felt and calm fashion. I am totally gutted.
Please Fabrice, pull through fella.
|Renrut Posted on 17/03/2012 19:21|
Surely the simple fact that this is a football message board, filled with fans of the sport who have watched games day in day out for years, means that this incident will hit home slightly more?
Not rocket science.
How about keeping your opinions for a more suitable time?
|wherestheremote Posted on 17/03/2012 19:21|
Well said Karl
I just wish people on social networking sites would stop asking me to pray for him.
Getting back on topic, I hope the lad pulls through OK.
|Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 17/03/2012 19:22|
According to twitter, the ambulance crew have confirmed they got him breathing again. Hope there's no long term problems.
|Wilton Posted on 17/03/2012 19:23|
By the way Vespa your choice of the words in your post are sick!!!
|teesste Posted on 17/03/2012 19:24|
Let's hope that's the case then...SSN none the wiser... Keep fighting young fella
|viv_andersons_nana Posted on 17/03/2012 19:27|
I have a feeling that if the lad had survived then they'd have announced it by now. Wouldn't they? I don't know. Just have to hope that no news is good news.
|LeeMiller Posted on 17/03/2012 19:28|
Good luck Fab. Positive wishes from all of us.
|mooghead Posted on 17/03/2012 19:28|
Sky News are loving this... talking about him like he has been declared dead.. disgraceful..
Hope the fella is ok..
|FrozenHorse Posted on 17/03/2012 19:31|
Just heard about this.
Hope the guy is ok.
|homesickblues Posted on 17/03/2012 19:31|
Come on Fabrice, please pull through.
|Prawn Posted on 17/03/2012 19:33|
I think sky news no more than they are allowed to say , I'm afraid . When the English Indy car driver was killed they said afterwards they new 30 minutes ago but weren't allowed to say anything ! The one n the right looks like he I about to break down so I really don't think this is going to have a happy ending .
|karl_hungus Posted on 17/03/2012 19:35|
no skin of my back
always the same on here, anytime something happens to a celebrtity theres a thousand remorseful posts, telling everybody else how caring, and remorseful they should be as well, i got past all that nonsense aged about 5, and save my remorse for family and people i know
i'm happy the way my brain is wired, and i don't have anything but stoicism toward total strangers, regardless if it was on TV or not
|Vespa-Scooter Posted on 17/03/2012 19:35|
Wilton,,, care to explain ?
|SocraTees3 Posted on 17/03/2012 19:36|
Shocking and upsetting. Poor lad. Hope he pulls thru.
|viv_andersons_nana Posted on 17/03/2012 19:36|
The use of the word 'shocked' I think, Vespa.
|backofthenet Posted on 17/03/2012 19:37|
Karl - 'i got past all that nonsense aged about 5' - no yer didn't son so give it a rest.
|viv_andersons_nana Posted on 17/03/2012 19:39|
Why are you posting on this thread, dude? After all, this incident, presumably, going off your contributions so far, means absolutely nothing to you. So why don't you just give it a rest and take your sanctimony elsewhere.
This thread is neither the time nor the place.
|Vespa-Scooter Posted on 17/03/2012 19:41|
Ok Viv..I guessed that reading back.
|HarryVegas Posted on 17/03/2012 19:43|
Terrible wasn't watching the match and only just read of this. Here's hoping the lad pulls through.
|byrno Posted on 17/03/2012 19:43|
Bloody hell! Been out since about half 4 and just got back in and put the telly on. Absolutely awful, hope he is ok.
I remember when M.V. Foe died I was playing champ man online with a load of lads off here.
This really puts everything else in the game (including our result today) into perspective.
|phil_ostine Posted on 17/03/2012 19:43|
Don't know if this has been said, but how did this happen? If he had a heart defect or something similar, how was it not picked up in medicals and stuff? You would have thought it would have been noted previously.
|Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 17/03/2012 19:44|
Kark Hungus you have sank to new low.
|mooghead Posted on 17/03/2012 19:45|
Karl.. I am really sorry for hoping that a professional athlete in the prime of his life pulls through a serious health scare
You absolute cnut
|Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 17/03/2012 19:45|
|FrozenHorse Posted on 17/03/2012 19:47|
"So why don't you just give it a rest and take your sanctimony elsewhere"
Well said Viv.
|ron_manager Posted on 17/03/2012 19:48|
Dude don't assume what emotions I experience concerning the killing of children in Afghanistan.
|borolad259 Posted on 17/03/2012 19:49|
The Dude is back on the naughty step.
|manhead Posted on 17/03/2012 19:49|
Fingers crossed for the lad, bloody awful. Karl, your a Doyle, go away.
|phil_ostine Posted on 17/03/2012 19:50|
"always the same on here, anytime something happens to a celebrtity theres a thousand remorseful posts, telling everybody else how caring, and remorseful they should be as well, i got past all that nonsense aged about 5, and save my remorse for family and people i know
i'm happy the way my brain is wired, and i don't have anything but stoicism toward total strangers, regardless if it was on TV or not"
I get what you're saying. But this isn't a celebrity, is it? It's a footballer. We're football fans. He's a young lad. People are bound to care a little bit. Stop being a dick, man. Come on.
|Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 17/03/2012 19:51|
Don't bite, that's what he wants. Just ignore him.
|rufus4 Posted on 17/03/2012 19:53|
As a sports fan and person I hope he pulls through.Now is the time to put all Football rivalries apart and all wish him a speedy recovery.
|ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 17/03/2012 19:57|
Karl, I think one issue is that he is young (early 20s) and as a footballer thought of as quite fit and healthy. I think that's why people are so taken aback. I'm glad I missed all this as I was watching the rugby. From the posts above, it seems it was horrible to watch. Let's just hope and pray that the lad recovers.
|peterkay Posted on 17/03/2012 20:01|
Karl we care cause its a young bloke who may lose his life, you are a
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 20:02|
When awful incidents like this happen the Football Family that we are all a part of comes together in collective solidarity, wishing and hoping for positive news.
The fact that Karl finds it so incredibly easy to detach himself from something that has touched us all is something he has to live with, not us.
It's pretty typical of people with sociopathic tendencies to be able to feel nothing. It's interesting that he comments on being five years of age when this emotional detachment occurred. He therefore needs to be pitied rather than pilloried, even though his comments are so incredibly uncaring and hurtful.
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 20:06|
Thanks for intervening, Borolad.
|FrozenHorse Posted on 17/03/2012 20:07|
Essentially this a football forum is it not?
Is it to be wondered at that a football receives more attention than anyone else would?
|Sh0rny Posted on 17/03/2012 20:10|
Hope he pulls through Puts things into perspective
|HarryVegas Posted on 17/03/2012 20:11|
Come on guys, it's a thread about a young player who's seriously ill or worse. Let's not allow a nob take it off topic and let this be the last word on you know who
Fingers crossed for the young lad
|tricky1992000 Posted on 17/03/2012 20:11|
best of luck to the lad, 10 minutes is a long time to spend not breathing. and the use of defib equipment suggests he was in cardiac arrest.
This is only based on what i have read from the bbc though.
|offside-again Posted on 17/03/2012 20:13|
Sky news just said he is stable now. So thankfully it looks like the worst fears are over.
|Wilton Posted on 17/03/2012 20:14|
Great news come on son!!!!!!!!!!!
|Torino Posted on 17/03/2012 20:15|
In a stable condition. Hope he makes a full recovery
|offside-again Posted on 17/03/2012 20:15|
|HarryVegas Posted on 17/03/2012 20:15|
|Revol_Tees Posted on 17/03/2012 20:17|
If that's the case, the emergency services and all involved have played a blinder. On the scene in a flash and they stuck with it. Hats off to them and all best wishes to Fabrice Muamba, hope he gets through this.
|FrozenHorse Posted on 17/03/2012 20:17|
|borobuddah Posted on 17/03/2012 20:18|
Stable condition is great news but lack of oxygen to the brain can bring terrible damage, all our hopes that the lad recovers fully.
And leave Karl alone, he has a point and your witch hunt does you no credit, lets not act like a load of scousers
|offside-again Posted on 17/03/2012 20:18|
Yup massive credit to the paramedics, outstanding work.
|mooghead Posted on 17/03/2012 20:18|
|dooderooni Posted on 17/03/2012 20:19|
I hope the lad comes through this without any long term effects.
Good luck son.
|Torino Posted on 17/03/2012 20:20|
Spot on Revol Tees, we dont know how lucky we are in this country to have such a great health service
|offside-again Posted on 17/03/2012 20:21|
Karl may well have a point it's just you get the feeling he enjoys it all a bit too much. Still in fairness he has a point but it's the vibe he gives off, oh well main thing is Fab has some hope now.
|FrozenHorse Posted on 17/03/2012 20:23|
"If that's the case, the emergency services and all involved have played a blinder"
This is true; chances of surviving an out of hospital cardiac arrest are around 2%.
It helps if there's a medical team on stand by of course, but I thought it ominous when I read that they'd worked on him for 10 mins before leaving the pitch.
Well done indeed to the team involved.
|ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 17/03/2012 20:26|
Didn't realise the chances of survival were as low as that FH. At least the lad has some hope now they've got him stabilised.
|Vespa-Scooter Posted on 17/03/2012 20:26|
GOFL,, get well soon ,.
|FrozenHorse Posted on 17/03/2012 20:30|
That's an estimate of course, I don't think anyone really knows the exact figure.
As I said, it's not quite the same as it just happening in the street as at a match, there are trained people with defibrillators on hand, so the chances are probably better.
The fact he's an otherwise fit young man may improve his chances too.
|homesickblues Posted on 17/03/2012 20:33|
Stable may mean anything in this case. Come on Fabrice.
|tricky1992000 Posted on 17/03/2012 20:34|
"This is true; chances of surviving an out of hospital cardiac arrest are around 2%."
quick defib is so crucial to survivability, in these matters.
|The_Mrs Posted on 17/03/2012 20:48|
BoroBuddah, I've not got too much medical experience, but I would assume that as he had cardiac massage almost instantaneously and throughout his collapse, then he shouldn't really have suffered from a lack of oxygen and therefore hopefully should limit any damage. I'm hoping so anyway.
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 20:53|
He's breathing on his own now.
|mooghead Posted on 17/03/2012 21:10|
I hope if nothing else this will get people to want to be defib/first aid trained... also, as an aside.. if you are relatively healthy and not on any sort of medication then why aren't you donating blood? It is an hour once every 3 months so don't tell me you don't have the time. Take the kids anyway.. they love it there!
|Free_Subbuteo_171 Posted on 17/03/2012 21:13|
Fingers crossed he makes a full recovery.
|ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 17/03/2012 21:18|
I'm not sure what the chances of that are. There's a local running coach who 20-odd years ago was one of the best distance runners round here and had competed at the highest levels of the sport. He went out training once when he was still suffering from a virus and consequently had a heart attack. He survived thanks to the quick thinking of a passing doctor but had to jack in the running.
|homesickblues Posted on 17/03/2012 21:19|
'The hospital will make a statement at 9:30 pm this evening'
|borolad259 Posted on 17/03/2012 21:31|
PTCFT...it has long been known that running whilst battling a viral infection can cause heart attack/cardiac arrest. It amazes me how many people still do it.
|byrno Posted on 17/03/2012 21:35|
They are now saying that he is critically ill and in intensive care. Don't think he is out of the woods by any means just yet and the earlier reports of him being stable are perhaps not accurate
|shikaka Posted on 17/03/2012 21:36|
Latest news is that he's critically ill in the heart attack centre. Hope for the best
|Judge_Mental Posted on 17/03/2012 22:21|
I reckon I'd have run it off, like.
|william_falconer Posted on 17/03/2012 22:26|
|Vespa-Scooter Posted on 17/03/2012 22:29|
Go for a very long run,JM...go on,,..Never stop,,rat.
|legz Posted on 17/03/2012 22:33|
Judge you utter idiot. I lost a good friend a couple of years back, went upstairs to make her young sons bed and never came back down. Wish she had received the superb attention muamba got. Come on fella you can do it, the football family is right behind you every step of the way in your fight
|mooghead Posted on 17/03/2012 22:34|
Forget him, he is XXXXXXed and looking for bites. Don't give him the satisfaction..
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 22:36|
Over a cliff would be good.
|FrozenHorse Posted on 17/03/2012 22:38|
"he is critically ill and in intensive care. Don't think he is out of the woods by any means just yet"
I wouldn't be over-alarmed by the terms "critical" and "intensive care".
A patient undergoing routine bypass surgery would be described as critical and in intensive care for the 24 hours or so following their operation, even if everything were going exactly to plan.
I'd be amazed if they moved him out of ITU so soon after this had happened to be honest.
Like you, I wouldn't suggest he's out of the woods yet, but I wouldn't be particulalrly alarmed by the use of these terms.
|byrno Posted on 17/03/2012 22:44|
FrozenHorse - I agree, in the same way that people shouldn't be over alarmed by some of this medical terminology, they also shouldn't assume that words like 'stable' means everything is fine.
|r00fie Posted on 17/03/2012 22:55|
Critically ill - puts all the other crap about todays football in perspective.
|william_falconer Posted on 17/03/2012 22:58|
|mickbrown Posted on 17/03/2012 23:03|
All season I've been wanting Coyle to play him more. Wished he hadn't now. That was a terrible couple of hours to be a Bolton fan
|sparkins Posted on 17/03/2012 23:09|
Thouhts with all Bolton fans tonight Mick - thing is if it hadn't been today it would have been another day if he had a defect of some kind.
The thing that amazes me is that with the amount of sports science at professional clubs and the degree of physiological analysis that a player undergoes day in day out and something like this isn't spotted.
Fingers crossed that this has a happy ending.
|FrozenHorse Posted on 17/03/2012 23:20|
"All season I've been wanting Coyle to play him more. Wished he hadn't now"
Whatever casued this, be it viral, congenital or other, I don't think playing today would have made a diffence in the big picture.
Strangely he's lucky that it happened during a match. Would medical assistance have been quite so readily available if this had happened in training for example?
|PinkPonce Posted on 17/03/2012 23:20|
Must have been torture Mick. All the best
Let's hope we wake to good positive news!
PP ... x
|Red_Matter Posted on 17/03/2012 23:33|
Terrible for all folks watching it, whether at the game, on tv, as a Bolton or Spurs fan or if you're a footy fan from another club, family, friends et al. It's time like these where we all come together as a football family and unite in our support for Fabrice.
Also, what Frozen Horse has said.
|Cooper6711 Posted on 18/03/2012 00:09|
I witnessed the same thing right infront of me at leeds festival 2010. One the lads i was camped with just dropped down, he went into cardiac arrest, did cpr, shocked him, banging adreliane bags into him right there inbetween our tents. Was so lucky we were camped near a lookout area because if we'd been anywhere else he'd have died. Was horrendous to see 2 yards infront of you never mind on tv
|phil_ostine Posted on 18/03/2012 00:09|
Just checked Sky Sports News and apparently he's critically ill. To be honest, a bloke at work had a heart attack recently. We got told he was stable and stuff and he ended up dying. Obviously he wasn't a Premiership footballer, but even so. You can only hope for the best in this situation. If he does pull round, what chance does he have of ever playing again? Pretty slim.
|hoolio73 Posted on 18/03/2012 00:13|
Sky sports jumped the gun again then?, was in the pub earlier with it on when they said he was stable. Folk were letting out sighs of relief.
Then i get in to watch ITVs highlight and i've never cringed more then watching that presenter (steve scott, or smith, or something) attempting to discuss the matter.
Strachan may get some shi t off you lot, but he's a decent bloke who coped admirably to express sentiments we all felt, in the face of some highly shyte televisual presenting.
|skinBACKtoTHEsack Posted on 18/03/2012 00:17|
Who gives a XXXXXX if he plays again I just want the lad to live and be ok. Having money and being famous is nothing compared to being healthy.
|byrno Posted on 18/03/2012 00:18|
To be fair I think both Matt Smith and Strachan did well to hold it together considering they were both at the game. The ssn presenters were struggling to tell the story shortly after it happened earlier as well. Must have been difficult.
|FrozenHorse Posted on 18/03/2012 00:32|
"Sky sports jumped the gun again then?, was in the pub earlier with it on when they said he was stable"
Again I'd say don't be too swayed by the terminology.
"Stable" sounds more reassuring than it should.
"Critical" and "intensive" sound more dramatic than they are.
All 3 could be accurately applied to the same patient at any one time.
|Red_Matter Posted on 18/03/2012 00:52|
Frozen Horse - It's all terminology that's hard to get any of our heads around, don't you reckon? Pretty meaningless and confusing to us laypeople although I fully appreciate because of your background that you have a better handle on things. Your explanations are very much appreciated though.
All along this horrendous journey, Fabrice Muamba has received expeditious and outstanding medical care. If he pulls through this, it's because he was in the right place at the right time, surrounded by people who know what to do in dire circumstances such as this.
From the quick-acting officials and the brilliant skills of the paramedics to the equally outstanding ambulance crew and the wonderful folk at the hospital, he has been given every chance to pull through.
All that's left is for us to keep hoping that their combined skills and actions help him to survive these critical hours and from thereon in, to make a full recovery and then go on to live the rest of his life.
23 is far too young an age.
|phil_ostine Posted on 18/03/2012 00:59|
Terminology is the problem. If you hear that somebody is stable, you think they're going to be alright. Thing is, the first 24/48 hours or so after a heart attack are usually the most important. If you make it through that, you stand a good chance of living.
What it all boils down to in these situations is how long he went with without oxygen. By the looks of things, it wasn't too long. Help was there almost instantly. That will play a massive part in the whole thing.
He'll pull through, I think. Like I say, help was there instantly, so that instantly increases his chances. Only thing is, he might not play again. But saying that, it's better to be alive.
Fingers crossed, anyway.
|Red_Matter Posted on 18/03/2012 01:03|
Aye, medical help was rapidly on hand. I hope you're right with your assessment, Phil. Fingers crossed and all that.
|Red_Matter Posted on 18/03/2012 01:05|
Good article in the Guardian regarding changes to medical rules at footy matches:
|Link: Rapid on-pitch medical response|
|Santos5050 Posted on 18/03/2012 02:40|
I am very happy that you guys are treating this as seriously as you are. I feared that there would be tons of
|monkeyman Posted on 18/03/2012 03:02|
|PAC79 Posted on 18/03/2012 03:50|
I hope I speak for every boro FAN when I say our thoughts and wishes are with him. Football is full of rivalries but is one when something like this happens.
For the few d icks who tried trolling, please curl up and die you worthless cnuts.
|axel1974 Posted on 18/03/2012 06:36|
It's a minor miracle that the lad still has a fighting chance. Everything still crossed for him here
|HolgateCorner Posted on 18/03/2012 09:23|
Santos - your post disappointed me, anybody who reads this board would know that the vast majority of posters are very decent people who would wish for nothing but the speedy recovery of Fabrice Muamba.
|chimpy07 Posted on 18/03/2012 09:57|
Some nice comments and points raised.
The situation is, he's critically ill on intensive care, he's very poorly, his chances of a successful recovery will be determined by the extent of the damage done to his heart, thats why the 24/48 hours being critical, I dont mean this the way it might sound but the lad who played for sevilla died 3 days after his on pitch incident
The terminology is misleading, and causes misinterpretation, but so to does speculating
Come on Fabrice, God give you strength
|Red_Matter Posted on 18/03/2012 13:51|
The Premier League and the two Clubs, Villa and Bolton have agreed to postpone their League game Tuesday night in the wake of Fabrice's health issues.
Come on Fabrice, you can do this lad! We're all rooting for you!
|Link: Get news for Fabrice here - just refresh|
|Holgatewall Posted on 18/03/2012 14:11|
Hope all ends well for the lad.
Terrible situation for all concerned and nice to see Spurs and Bolton fans showing the compasionate side of the game.
Both sets of supporters showed the game in a positive light after this terrible event.
|joseph99 Posted on 18/03/2012 14:12|
Is there a disproportionate number of these incidents in professional football compared to other professional sports? Seems to be happening far too frequently in the game.
|tricky1992000 Posted on 18/03/2012 14:48|
"Is there a disproportionate number of these incidents in professional football compared to other professional sports? Seems to be happening far too frequently in the game."
|Link: this might be the case|
|Liamo Posted on 18/03/2012 15:57|
Doesn't look like it, based on the article, which states:
'no unfavorable effects are evident. [...] Athlete’s Heart is not dangerous for athletes.'
A more likely possible candidate is Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy (the condition Marc-Vivien Foe suffered from) and for which the symptoms are very similar to Athlete's Heart.
|Link: Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy|
|chimpy07 Posted on 18/03/2012 16:06|
Reports say his heart stopped for 2 hours
How can that be?? Like somebody mentioned the issue of oxygen starvation to the brain
Must be agonizing for his immediate family, im not at all a religious person, but there's a prayer to be had tonight.
Get well soon lad
|chimpy07 Posted on 18/03/2012 16:08|
Sorry to double post, ment to add this
|Link: Heart stopped for 2 hours|
|Sunnyman Posted on 18/03/2012 16:09|
As soon as i saw what happened, i thought HCM could be the cause. This condition runs in my family and I researched it a lot over the years. I finally had the genetic test for it 2 years ago, and thankfully I did not have the faulty gene which can cause HCM, and therefore my children can't be effected. Praying for Fabrice
|FrozenHorse Posted on 18/03/2012 16:14|
"How can that be?? Like somebody mentioned the issue of oxygen starvation to the brain"
Well CPR and artificial ventialtion are pretty effective methods of circulating oxygen through the body
I guess we won't know how effective it's proved to be until they try to wake him, but it's not impossible for him to escape unscathed.
"As soon as i saw what happened, i thought HCM could be the cause"
I'm a little surprised if it is, because all players undergo a medical when signing for a new club. This usually includes and echo of the heart which would identify problems such as HCM or vlave problems.
|borobuddah Posted on 18/03/2012 16:21|
They will know the most serious case scanario through reflex tests, I know that through having to help decide whether to agree to turn off life support the day after someone hung themselves but initially survived.
|chimpy07 Posted on 18/03/2012 16:32|
Cheers for that forty, and your right mate its a case of time will tell.
An what you've just said just spells out that extent of the miracles performed by the medical crews that treated him throughout.
|James75 Posted on 18/03/2012 16:50|
Being in the medical field - sounds like it was a condition like prolonged qt syndrome. Would have thougth that hocm would have be screened for. Major issue now is if there has been brain damage. He will have been cooled for 24 hrs to reduce this risk. No one will know for at least another 48 hrs and then only bad news. Gonna be a long road for him and hope he pulls through.
|FrozenHorse Posted on 18/03/2012 17:04|
|marsked_magician Posted on 18/03/2012 17:22|
"could not get his heart to start beating on its own for almost two hours"
Very misleading. Thats very different from a heart not beating for 2 hours. Its disappointing when the press try to sensationalise awful situations such as this.
He's a strong boy, lets hope he can fight through
|Santos5050 Posted on 18/03/2012 18:34|
It didn't post my full message for some reason, it did finish with the fact that everyone has really rallied around this guy and we have done ourselves proud. Or words to that effect.
|Esekiel1517 Posted on 18/03/2012 18:37|
Very few have gone like this over the years,just say a prayer.
|ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 18/03/2012 18:52|
That wikipedia article is a bit scarey. My resting heart-rate when I'm at my fittest is low-40s (it's about mid-40s at the moment but depending on the time of day and what I've been doing, it can go as high as low 50s). I also experienced a bit of dizziness during rest periods at the end of interval sessions with my athletics club. The doctor attributed the dizzy bouts to something called labyrinthitis.
|rufus4 Posted on 18/03/2012 18:58|
I had a Heart attack at work and luckily because of the care and skill of the ParaMedics and James Cook Coronary Care Unit I survived.So I hope that Fabrice pulls through and makes a good recovery,GET WELL SOON LAD.
|chimpy07 Posted on 19/03/2012 16:18|
FH sorry for calling you Forty
Latest joint statements from hospital and club say there's small signs of improvement, movement of arms and legs and heart beating without the aid of drugs, its fantastic news, although he's still critical and its still very early, good to hear small positives
|painfullyboro Posted on 19/03/2012 16:22|
Fantastic news , keep fighting fella
|newyddion Posted on 19/03/2012 16:33|
is there a chance he will play again?
|painfullyboro Posted on 19/03/2012 16:35|
very much doubt it , not much chance he will ever be the same againe after loss of oxgene to his brain , plus the ongoing heart condition
|manhead Posted on 19/03/2012 16:40|
I have cardiomyopathy, as does my older bro and a few of my cousins. Basically my left ventricule is a bit too thick and a bit wonky or sumtjing.Mine went unnoticed for a long time cos I was mega fit from boxing. Had a nasty episode last Xmas but other than that I wouldn't know I had it- apart from having a low pulse rate and the odd flutter.
|Dibzzz Posted on 19/03/2012 17:40|
I know loads of people up at Freeman who had cardiomyothipathy, they all had transplants.
|Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 19/03/2012 17:42|
No one will ever know at this point. As long as he makes a recovery to live a life again without to much damage. They just have to support his major organs at the moment as is heart recovers.
Praying his Brain will be ok.
|London_Boro Posted on 19/03/2012 17:56|
Seems he's doing a bit better.
reported as moving arms and legs now and has been speaking!
Come on lad!!!!!
|Muttley Posted on 19/03/2012 18:19|
Positive news, come on lad. Long way to go yet but let's hope it's the first small step.
|Esekiel1517 Posted on 19/03/2012 18:21|
Really hope the kid pulls through...
|rob_fmttm Posted on 19/03/2012 18:24|
Very good news indeed. A friend of mine had a massive heart attack a couple of weeks ago. He was sedated for nearly a week until his body could handle breathing unaided. Then at the end of the week he came round and improved so quickly he was discharged home and was posting on facebook again in no time at all.
Fingers crossed for Fabrice.
|FrozenHorse Posted on 19/03/2012 18:37|
I'd be surprised if it were cardiomyopathy.
When footballers have medicals, it usually includes an echo of the heart.
If it were cardiomyopathy I would have expected it to show up at this point, along with any other structural abnormality.
|Red_Matter Posted on 19/03/2012 18:44|
This is truly wonderful news that Fabrice has been able to talk some! Thanks for sharing that link, LB. I know it's important not to get our hopes up as his condition is still critical but one small step at a time in the right direction and all that.
|Red_Matter Posted on 19/03/2012 19:56|
Curtis Codrington, a close friend of Fabrice has just confirmed that he has hugged and kissed his mate and they shared a joke or two about their friend, Chris Samba, also from the DR of Congo.
|Red_Matter Posted on 19/03/2012 20:30|
|Link: Fabrice goal compilation in tribute to a fighter!|
|legz Posted on 19/03/2012 20:58|
I know its very early days yet but its encouraging to hear only good reports about Fabrice today. Keep it going fella
|StarPlayer Posted on 19/03/2012 21:29|
Early days but definitely going the right way. I am sure it has been stated somewhere in the thread but today I have heard on the news how fantastic the fans have been, how good tottenham were and how the doctors at the hospital are doing everything possible.
Can I just publically commend the paramedics on their quick actions with the defib, cos without that he would have been dead now.
Keep fighting son.