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different_gravy Posted on 08/03/2012 12:49
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Looks decent.

Screen looks amazing, and you can provide wi-fi to other users!


bobs_cock Posted on 08/03/2012 12:55
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Apple bringing features that have been available via Jailbreak for years.

Nice one [^]

ItalianJob Posted on 08/03/2012 13:03
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There'll be a new one out soon.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 08/03/2012 13:05
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Its rubbish.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 13:08
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seriously though that depth of resoolution on a 9.7" screen is pointless, all the other changes are just marketing nonsense.

same old dual core processor with an upgraded quad core (from dual core)gpu to handle the resolution which has quadrupled. which in fact means that they have doubled the performance of the GPU to handle 4 times the resolution, but you can stick with the old processor.

Now, I'm not saying that this is crap, but there is no significant improvment.

Beyond some peoples preference for iOS, the Galaxy Note 10.1 and Asus Transformers are techinically superior.

Apple just enjoy ripping of their own fans with these little changes. If you like iOS and want an iPad - buy and iPad 2

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 08/03/2012 13:12
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"you can provide wi-fi to other users"

You mean like you already can on a host of other devices? WOOOWWWW

Wouldn't be without my iPad but the whole build up and aftermath vvanking to such products is embarrassing.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 13:14
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lol, I've been using my 2 year old HTC desire as a wifi router for 18 months!

John67 Posted on 08/03/2012 13:15
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Waited for ipad2 so they could sort out glitches in ipad1 and love it. However, I wont but another for a couple of years as they are just too expensive to keep updating every year.

different_gravy Posted on 08/03/2012 13:34
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HTC Desire = poor mans Ipad

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 13:40
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htc desire is a phone
iPad is a tablet
you are a muppet [:o)][:P]

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 08/03/2012 13:58
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Both rubbish.

bear66 Posted on 08/03/2012 13:59
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ipad3 = silly man's phone (which doesn't)

br14 Posted on 08/03/2012 14:10
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Nice device. But with the exception of the screen, all they've done is bring the hardware specs up to match the competition.

Still, they've always been masters at marketing.

Kilburn Posted on 08/03/2012 14:13
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I can definitely see the point of the resolution.

If you are into photography or work in creative industries, that kind of image quality (provided the colour fidelity is good enough) is a real attraction.

It's the kind of resolution you only got on high end professional monitors until now.

7_The_Informer Posted on 08/03/2012 14:27
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People on here are really funny and know sweet FA. They're bringing their specs up to the opposition? WTF? The specs are way out beyond the competition....

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 14:45
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you should take up comedy[:o)]

PhillyMac Posted on 08/03/2012 14:46
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You can't just discount iOS as "some people's preference". I moved from Andriod to iPhone a 6 months ago and, in terms of being able to do stuff, iOS is much, much better. Stuff like the availability of apps, their usability and the responsiveness of the OS really makes a difference.

I'd also rather give my money to vendors who update their devices for more than 6 months. It's called giving a sh** about your customer so they come back again.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 15:01
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an interface by it's basic nature is based on preference. I have tried iOS and didn't like it, I tried Android and preferred it.

Also this silly stuff about updates, I have a two year old device which has had all upgrades except ICS, and the only reason that won't make it is because of Hardware constraints.

If I was an Apple user and had to fork out extra cash for the privilege of buying the phone and then a higher tariff I would expect regular updates. But as most Android handsets are free at a fraction of the monthly cost, you have to accept that the software update service will not be as comprehensive.

You'll notice that all major Android manufacturer's have announced their ICS upgrade plan

Simply if you pay more you expect more, if you pay less you get less.

Bully_Boy Posted on 08/03/2012 15:26
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I'm the opposite - Tried the android interface and hated it, too much tweaking needed to get it to run properly. I had a Galaxy S2 and the battery on it was shocking, It was ok in standby but if you wanted to use the phone it drained too quickly. Build quality was also lacking - I think they tried to make it too thin as it would overheat when the processor used for any length of time.

The new Ipad is a good upgrade but I think its suited best to the first time buyer, doesn't look enough features on it to justify an upgrade from an Ipad 2 (don't think 4G is going to be in this country any time soon & I'm not sure the new ipad can handle the bandwidth we have set aside for our 4G?).

Personally I'm going to buy a Hi Spec laptop and stick OSX on it - I need it to do more in depth things but can't justify paying out for a macbook.

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 15:33
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Those hardware specs outperform other tablets. It's cheaper than other tablets. It's thinner. It's lighter. The screen is about 270 DPI.

Conclusion, most people don't know what they are on about.

Kilburn Posted on 08/03/2012 15:41
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The new £399 one is as close to a bargain as you will see from Apple.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 15:47
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wake up ooooo only spec higher than other is resolution, its fatter and weighs more than it's 2 main competitors Galaxy Note 10.1 and Asus Transformer Pad 700 Inifitiny (even though. they both have bigger screens.

the fake Retina screen (retina is meant to be over 300dpi) is good, but the 1920 x 1200 for the Asus is still a very good 224dpi.

so in conclusion I think you were talking about yourselves.[:D]

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:01
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this site loves Apple! but for straight spec comparisons only have a look

Link: tablet-wars-reloaded

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 16:06
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"the fake Retina screen (retina is meant to be over 300dpi) is good, but the 1920 x 1200 for the Asus is still a very good 224dpi."

Retina isn't 'meant' to be anything, it's a brand name Apple invented to label their hi-resolution displays. It isn't an industry standard but it still happens to be the best available. FFS, it is a tablet, it is almost ALL screen. Not sure how you can just discount that one...

As for the galaxy, well done on them being a bit thinner but it still lags behind on pretty much everything else. I'm not sure I can give you the Transformer though. Does it really count if you start removing parts of it before you measure the thickness?

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:13
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Apple defined a Retina Display as 326dpi - It's this resolution--326 pixels per inch--that Apple claims is the same as the human eye.

classic Apple Marketing however means that 270dpi still counts as Retina now.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:17
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to quote the late Steve Jobs

The iPhone 4's Retina Display features a resolution of 326dpi (dots per inch). When announcing the phone, Apple's Steve Jobs said that 300dpi is a "magic number," because it's the limit of the human retina to distinguish pixels.

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 16:20
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They didn't claim that 326 DPI is the same as the human eye because the human eye does not use pixels so how could they? What they said was it IS 326DPI, and at the range you hold a smartphone from your face, the human eye cannot distinguish individual pixels. They are claiming the same with this and from what people have said who have actually seen one, the effect is the same.

You don't even know the basic facts behind what you are arguing. Inventing stuff about what the retina is or isn't and what Apple said about it doesn't help your cause.

Pauluka Posted on 08/03/2012 16:21
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Transformer Prime [^]

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:27
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I'm quoting apple marketing and Steve Jobs, if you disagree with it then you're arguing against yourself.

firstly anything over 200dpi on a table is excellent. secondly you're saying less dpi on a bigger screen is equivelent to more dpi on a smaller screen! give your head a shake.[:o)]

You are just an idiot on this subject so I will leave you to argue with yourself.

tuddle pips

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:29
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@pauluka, I'm tempted by their new one, the infinty 700.

Link: asus comparison

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 16:31
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I said resolution was only part of the issue, it depends on how close you view it from. My TV is about 6 feet away, normally hold the phone a few inches away, the ipad much further away.

Jobs said the eye has a resolution? Well he's wrong. I haven't said the eye has a resolution. I don't recall saying I would be arguing for or against a dead bloke anywhere.

This is what Apple's marketing says about it:

"Thanks to the Retina display, everything you see and do on iPhone 4S looks amazing. That’s because the Retina display’s pixel density is so high, your eye is unable to distinguish individual pixels. Which means text in books, web pages, and email is crisp at any size. Images in games, movies, and photos pop off the screen. And everything is sharper."

You keep making sht up though. [:o)]

Pauluka Posted on 08/03/2012 16:31
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Maz, I like it [^]

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 16:34
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same old repackaged shyte

i wonder how many morons will sell there ipad 2 and purchase the latest 'upgrade' with a screen that if you have perfect vision, might just be able to tell the difference

oh i forgot, it's cos i'm jealous and can't afford one

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:36
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I'm reading this on a screen with 1366 x768 and I can't see any pixels, does that mean I can call it Retina??

it's marketing crap mate, I use to write most of it! anything over 1920 x 1080 is pointless for a 10" tablet.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:39
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for once I agree with the dude, if you like apple tablets - either stick to or buy an iPad 2...simples

if you don't know which one you like then go play with all of them (make sure you have ICS v IOS 5 or 5.1) and see which one feels best.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 16:42
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can it play DVD's yet or burn them?

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:44
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lol, no that's extra...

I am still tempted to get one of these new Ultrabooks instead. they need to build a tablet that plugs into an ultrabook base.

so you have a tablet when disconnected and a proper Ultranbook when plugged together

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 16:46
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So I say that it's more pixels than you can distinguish with your eyes which is exactly what Apple marketing says and then the_dude says your eyes won't be able to distinguish the pixels and you agree with him? You haven't really thought that through, have you?

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:48
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you clearly don't have the capability to understand what the dude has typed.

I don't usually do this, but how old are you and what do you do for a living? I won't comment on it, would just like to know. thanks

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 16:49
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"can it play DVD's yet or burn them?"

Can't do your ironing either.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 16:52
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(correct thread) @pauluka - I'm tempted to get one now, but I;m in China next month and may wait and see what's on offer there.

Also the amount of amazing Ultrabooks coming out this year has me undecided....maybe I'll get both[smi]

Pauluka Posted on 08/03/2012 16:54
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Don't even know what an ultrabook is. Will look now

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 16:55
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Look, the_dude is a XXXXXXing lunatic. if you want to align yourself with what he says, be my guest. but you've just agreed with him where he says the resolution is higher than your eyes can appreciate. If you want to change what you said, be my guest.

Why do you want to know my age and occupation? Bizarre or creepy, I'm not so sure.

Let's just say that I have over 25 years experience of software development including assembler all the way through to modern OOP languages on devices ranging from the Amiga to mobile devices. And I'm arguing with someone who thinks the human eye has 'DPI'.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 17:00
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thats's cool, I head the ecommerce department for a multi billion euro company and employ a number of developers.

Also you are getting confused mate, I quoted Steve Jobs and Apple marketing regarding thier claim about Retina and DPI.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 17:02
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Regardless of age and experience, i suggest your read the posts properly, i.e put your XXXXXXing glasses on before you call people names and misquote what they have said ooooooooo

Pauluka Posted on 08/03/2012 17:02
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Its time you two just got your nobs out and be done with it

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 17:04
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mine is browner than his

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 17:05
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Well here's some advice, get off here and go and read up on some of these things before you start arguing the toss over them. Suggesting the human eye used pixels was very telling. If you were just quoting apple marketing then fair enough but why does what you quoted bear no resemblance to what I quoted directly from their own website, today?

I didn't think the argument would be decided by who could make up the most prestigious job title and I still don't. Multi-billion euro company and you have a few developers who report direct to you? Hmmm, forgive me if it sounds like you are over-egging yourself a little bit.

I thought you were leaving, anyway?

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 17:05
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Amazing it took a whole 18 hours after the product was released for mr maz to find a thread to come & tell everyone show shyte or how Apple are ripping us all off

you must have been chomping at the bit before someone posted they think it looks amazing & wanted one

Post stats post reviews post whatever you like the real proof is in how many Apple sell i bet they still outsel anything the competition puts out there

& if your interested in what it is i do i work every day with Apple products & i also see more people who have bought android, galaxy & blackberry products crossing over to Apple products purely for the fact they are sick & tired of trying to get these things to work for them

That many people can't be wrong surely

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 17:05
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who suggested the human eye used pixels?

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 17:07
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dude, you are clearly a lunatic. Almost every single thing you post starts off with you calling people XXXXXing this and XXXXXXing that.

As for misquoting people, I haven't quoted anything. The clue is "quotes"

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 17:10
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[:D]calm down grandad, you'll give yourself a heart attack

i will remind you that your tossed the first insult, mr perfect

it's easy to be a hypocrite when youv'e been programming amigas for ..etc blah blah, how XXXXXXing boring etc

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 17:13
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"who suggested the human eye used pixels?"

mr_maz did, keep up.

As for me tossing the first insult, who cares? Your form for being obnoxious to almost everyone you interact with on here is well known.

I'm sorry that my answer to mr_maz bored you. I thought it was a pretty boring question to ask and answer too.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 17:15
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Juan, my point isn't about how crap the new ipad is, it's about how hyped it is and that Apple fans are better of with the iPad 2.

I also dispute the marketing and need for a ridiculous none-standard resolution on a small device.

If you take your blinkers off and read my posts properly, I don't but apple cause I don't like the interface, I've never argues others shouldn't buy it if they prefer iOS to Android.

If people want to switch to Apple fine, it really doesnt bother me, but I can not stand the number of Apple drones who believe every word that comes out of Apple Mouth.

People like oooooo who haven't even checked the spec and claim that the new ipad is thinner and ligher than ALL the competition, or how the 5mp camera is now fine because it has 5 lenses..well the new asus also has 5 lenses and comes with an 8mb camera.

If people want to discuss spec than do it with stats not marketing.

If you want to discuss interface then discuss it with someone else, as that is the main reason for me not buying Apple

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 17:18
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ooooo I'll repeat this again for you. Steve Jobs mentioned Human eye... what I did was post a "Quote" do you need an explanation on what that is or do you need Apple Marketing to make a big presentation on how they invented iQuotes before you can understand??? [rle][:P]

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 17:20
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I guess we'll have to wait out and see how these new devices do in terms of sales. It must be a real burden for mr_maz to fight his corner against the 1 million iOS devices sold every two days.....

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 17:23
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I don't care what sells the most, that's down to individuals to decide.

I would prefer it if they decide based on experience rather than marketing.

A lot of my friends have iPhones and iPads, some hate them because they got them based on hype and other love them.

But almost all of them say that the marketing hype is better than the device.

Pauluka Posted on 08/03/2012 17:25
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What has a better processor out of the Transformer Prime and Ipad?

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 17:27
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You've created a perception of people who buy Apple products as under some sort of mind-control. I think it's amazing that you have somehow managed to resist this when hundreds of millions are completely unaware of its influence. But in the same way, you are doing exactly the same. I mean you are angry not so much at people buying a product but for WHY they bought it. It's a XXXXXXing odd thing to do, I'll say that much.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 17:31
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♠CPU - Asus

GPU - Apple claim their quad core is faster but didn't provide any performance figures beyond this - Tegra 3 x1, ipad 2 x2, iPad 3 x4

Nvidia used a 12 core GPU and have stated that they look forward to getting hold of a new iPad so that they can provide their own "detailed" results.

Ideally I would prefer some independent number

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 17:31
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Pauluka, I'd say it is difficult to compare the two. The only way to know for sure are with benchmarks, just looking ay number of cores or clock-speed is not enough. The secret of the ipad's speed is mainly because the entire OS draws the UI using hardware acceleration which takes the strain off the CPU. In Android devices, you only get hardware acceleration when games invoke it, I understand the UI is all drawn using the CPU.

They can't really change Android to require GPU acceleration because not all devices have that. With Apple devices, that tight control over the hardware does at least mean they can optimise the OS for it.

Pauluka Posted on 08/03/2012 17:33
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Wow......I will just pretend someone said it was a draw and I will move on [:D]

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 17:35
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It's no secret that the Brand strength of Apple is almost hypnotic with some people.

maybe it's because fans like that remind me of Geordies.[:D]

petrio Posted on 08/03/2012 17:35
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i have the original iPad, which I bought in the summer of 2010. I couldn't see much reason in upgrading to the iPad2 and I don't see much more to get hot under the collar over with the new one. I will be in London in a couple of weeks time so will go to their apple store while there to see if it's worth the upgrade. I doubt it though, considering that I use the iPad for internet, listening to music, watching films whilst on holiday and streaming to the t.v. upstairs from the iMac downstairs. Can't see that there'd be much need.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 17:36
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petrio - now that's a Boro fans logic[^]

Pauluka Posted on 08/03/2012 17:37
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The big thing for me is being able to plug my tablet straight into my TV when away working for films, Netflix etc. Also the drag and drop side to things

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 17:45
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[:D]these ipad threads are funny, you can tell who the people who are religious to all things apple, as they get extremely wound up and annoyed when anybody quite rightly suggests they are style over substance products in relative terms to other products on the market with equal capabilities that are cheaper options.

Alvez_48 Posted on 08/03/2012 17:47
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hahaha oooooo you are a w@nker... 25 years developing experience including assembler hahahaha what did you develop in assembler lmao... a registry cleaner?.. you make me laugh. Also please note developers get paid fck all son. Now fck off with your comeback about how your the one developer in the world earning 600 a day. You suck your job sucks and your old. Peace out.

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 17:48
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"If you take your blinkers off"

I'm not wearing blinkers mr maz my opinions are based on what i hear from people who like i said are switching to Apple after using the competition

As for the marketing of Apple products good on them i say any business anywhere would love to have a marketing strategy that works as well as Apples including the company you work for

"I can not stand the number of Apple drones who believe every word that comes out of Apple Mouth"

So by that statement you imply that Apple are lying to people can't say that anything that comes out of Apples mouth is untrue or in fact inaccurate i've always found that everything Apple tells us their products do they do & in a lot of cases a whole lot more

One other thing which people forget which is also included in Apples marketing strategy anyone & i do mean anyone who owns an Apple product has the full support from Apple themselves regardless of whether you bought it from Apple or not

if you live or can get into an Apple store anywhere in the world they would be more than willing to help you from how the product works setting it up for you or dealing with technical issues

Try getting that sort of help from wherever you buy your galaxy android google blackberry device try getting the carphone warehouse or phones 4 u to sort out your HTC when it goes wrong or even try asking them for help on how to set it up see how far you get

Like them or loathe them mr maz not only do their products blow the competition away but also as a company their customer focus & support blow them all out of the water

You could say yes i am a fanboy but there again because of Apple I have what i would like to think is a very good living

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 17:52
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preposterously biased statement there juan, of course you are pro-ipad as you have readily confessed to earning a living via there products

lol, i could sell weapons and missiles, is that the same for me, can i promote them?

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 17:52
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"hahaha oooooo you are a w@nker... 25 years developing experience including assembler hahahaha what did you develop in assembler lmao... a registry cleaner?.. you make me laugh. Also please note developers get paid fck all son. Now fck off with your comeback about how your the one developer in the world earning 600 a day. You suck your job sucks and your old. Peace out."

What a XXXXXXing odd post. I wasn't trying to brag about money or anything like that, just showing why I might know what I'm talking about.

Incidentally, I wrote a an emulator for the ZX Spectrum on the Amiga. As it turns out, the Copper on the Amiga really makes it simple to transform the unusual layout of the Spectrum screen in ram onto the Amiga's display. They didn't have a registry, just thought you might want to know.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 17:58
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[rle]you understood amos and think thats worth telling people

Alvez_48 Posted on 08/03/2012 17:59
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to be fair i was being a douche... I have respect for developers, your probably a really sound chap but your pro appleness was annoying. Apple has not reinvented the wheel here and there really is competition as good as it out there in various forms.

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:00
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they are style over substance products in relative terms to other products on the market with equal capabilities that are cheaper options

Coming from a PC user who has looked at a Mac couldn't use it & decided they are rubbish on that basis that is if you have ever seriously looked at any Apple products at all

It all comes down to what you want to do with it if the cheaper option does everything you want from it then stick with it i say

Calling people morons because they like Apple products is probably why people get wound up with what you say

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 18:01
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alvez, my pro-apple stance and mr_maz's anti-apple stance are two sides of the same coin I suppose.

petrio Posted on 08/03/2012 18:02
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I'm a massive fan of Apple products and own/have owned several of them. however, I'm not sure that I can see the point of upgrading to the new iPad from the very first one, bearing in mind what I use it for. If they brought something rubbish out, I would freely admit that it was rubbish. They haven't brought out any rubbish for a long time though.

If I didn't already have an iPad, I'd be out getting the iPad3, but, not sure I can justify upgrading from the original one.

Every few years, apple seem to bring out a wow product and then they update it time and again, until they bring out another wow one and the cycle continues. I may wait for the next one.

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 18:05
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I think the best way to deal with facetiousness is to answer in a literal and dry fashion, so:

"you understood amos and think thats worth telling people"

Amos was pretty cool! Blitz Basic was far better as you could access the hardware directly and even run in-line assembler. The best of both worlds. Amos didn't let you run in-line assembler though. I'd equate that more to turtle logo really.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 08/03/2012 18:06
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"hahaha oooooo you are a w@nker... 25 years developing experience including assembler hahahaha what did you develop in assembler lmao... a registry cleaner?.. you make me laugh. Also please note developers get paid fck all son. Now fck off with your comeback about how your the one developer in the world earning 600 a day. You suck your job sucks and your old. Peace out."

Where the fcuk did that come from?

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 18:07
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It's my fault for being pro-Apple. If that makes me old, have a rubbish job, a liar and not earn that much then so be it. [:D]

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 18:11
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How can I be so anti Apple when I've recommend the iPad 2 a number of times on this thread alone

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:18
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Yes it is a preposterously biased statement & yes i do make a very good living from Apple products purely teaching people how to use the advanced apps & software

I work with a lot of businesses who are switching to Mac products & are using iPads as part of their business strategies being able to provide whole teams with iPads & have them sync everything is a massive part of it all as a business this is massive

I have yet to find any other tablets that can keep a team of people synced & in tune as well as iPads

You all need to stop looking at these as just expensive gadgets & start looking beyond surfing answering e mails & looking at pics but as business tools not to mention how they are starting to be used in educational institutions

Already there are schools in the UK where every teacher has an iPad one school in bolton has taken all this to a completely different level presenting lessons in a theatre style classroom & streaming there lessons onto an Apple tv which is then projected in 3D with the teacher stood in the middle pointing to parts of the presentation as he does it i have had the pleasure of seeing this & to say its impressive is an understatement

Have yet to see anything else out there get anywhere remotely close to doing anything like this that is if they even have the capability

Oh & i don't see why you couldn't promote your weapons & missiles why not its not illegal is it big difference though to something where you can create to something which will destroy hey you could put the 2 together use an iPad to design a new bomb or something

Starbuck Posted on 08/03/2012 18:23
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Don't want to read all the thread so can someone inform me ...

Has the cost of an iPad 2 come down as a consequece ??

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:23
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as a business tool the ipad comes about 6 leagues below most standard laptops

you will have to change tact to justify that ridiculous statement

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:25
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on a positive note & if you want to see more on how iPad in education works here is the school i visited

Link: essa academy

Alvez_48 Posted on 08/03/2012 18:25
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EBD I said afterward I was being a douche... but honestly its ni on impossible to code sh1t in assembler...

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:27
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wow, a link to a website that has high grades for children

no doubt that all down to the ipad

jesus XXXXXXing h

Angelmatty Posted on 08/03/2012 18:31
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got a ipad2 and like others see no reason to upgrade

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 18:32
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Havent read this thread yet but I predict that when I do I will read some posts about the next android tablet being an ipad-beater, some people complaining that ipads are overpriced, some posts from others who dont understand the tablet market and finally some idiotic drivel from the_dude.

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:33
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At what point did i say the reason why they have high grades was down to the iPad that is not the reason why i posted the link so don't try & imply thats it is

i simply said they are being used more in education institutions

the gallery shows how the students interact using the iPad & other Apple products

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:33
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flaps is finally here!

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:35
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as a business tool the ipad comes about 6 leagues below most standard laptops



that statement just about shows what you know about this

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:36
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i think its a bit of an arse thing to do, post a link to a XXXXXXing rich kids school and XXXXXX on about how the apple products they get for nothing are helping the kids with rich parents keep up the trend that currently exists in britain

you sound like your still at XXXXXXing work

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:37
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[rle]ok then juan

what can an ipad do that a laptop £100 quid cheaper cannot

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:39
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your the expert pal you figure it out

For £1200 for a 3 day course i would be more than happy to teach you

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:40
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[rle]as i thought

it can even burn a XXXXXXing dvd-r

Senor_Chester Posted on 08/03/2012 18:41
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The only Apple product I own is an iPod Nano for use in the gym. It's ok but it's not one for audiophiles, and after the first listen the headphones went straight in the bin.

I wouldn't be against buying Apple products but don't think I ever would as I can get more value for money elsewhere.

Some of the quotes do amuse me on here with some posters defending Apple though:

"and you can provide wi-fi to other users!"

"Waited for ipad2 so they could sort out glitches in ipad1 and love it."

"HTC Desire = poor mans Ipad"

"It's cheaper than other tablets. It's thinner. It's lighter."

Then three posts later...

"As for the galaxy, well done on them being a bit thinner"


Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:41
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i think its a bit of an arse thing to do, post a link to a XXXXXXing rich kids school and XXXXXX on about how the apple products they get for nothing are helping the kids with rich parents keep up the trend that currently exists in britain

Err its not a private school

you sound like your still at XXXXXXing work

Yes i am

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:43
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my laptop cost the same as an ipad and has

6gb memory
600gb hard drive
1gb graphics
can burn dvds and play back blu ray
can project via hdmi to televison
quad core processor
1080p screen

it makes the ipad look like what it is compared to a laptop, a stoneage tool for tools and for children to play silly games on, and not for serious number crunching

your just being a tosser proclaiming it as some business 'icon'

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:49
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[rle]essa academy, funded by apple, brainwashing children into loving apple shyte

i'm glad your making a good living from exploiting children and working class families

Link: tosser

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:49
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there you go again insulting people

is that it because your cheap laptop can burn dvd's its better as a business tool

brilliant keep thinking small time my friend one day you might get interested in joining us in the 21st century

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:50
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essa academy, funded by apple, brainwashing children into loving apple shyte

i'm glad your making a good living from exploiting children and working class families

Keep going [:D][:D]

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:51
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no its better as a business tool because it can outperform a XXXXXXing oversized mp3 player at anything you can think off

you can lie to children when you go around bullXXXXXXting and getting paid for it, but not grown men


Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:53
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your just jealous dude go on admit it

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:55
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jealous of what?

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 18:57
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Grown men

would you be referring to yourself???

A grown man who comes onto a message board & calls people morons & tossers who don't agree with your argument [rle]

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 18:59
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[rle]so, whats wrong with that, it's true isn't it

you are a tosser

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 19:03
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Well dude have to say its been all too easy

Just for the record i had nothing to do with that state funded school & the use of their apple products i was purely a visitor to see how they used them

I have to go now got another class to teach teaching people how to use garageband on the iPad & how you can use your guitar on stage through it just in case you were interested

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:03
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"6gb memory
600gb hard drive
1gb graphics
can burn dvds and play back blu ray
can project via hdmi to televison
quad core processor
1080p screen

Tell me where you got this £329 laptop?

Starbuck Posted on 08/03/2012 19:03
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Can you get MS Office on an iPad ??

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:04
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What the_dude doesn't understand is that an iPad is not a laptop, nor is it supposed to be a laptop.

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:04
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"Can you get MS Office on an iPad ??"

You can use Apples office applications, or use onlive office streaming, or wait for the official app.

None of which are the same as using office on a real computer. But that's ok, because an iPad isn't supposed to replace a real computer.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 19:06
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[:D]ha ha ha ha

too easy etc, you have promoted corperate shyte on here and think you have won after been rightly tossed off

what the XXXXXX do you need an ipad for to teach kids to use a guitar

answer - you don't

like i said, like half of the board say who seem to want to sell there ipads a week after wasting money on them, style over substance

Starbuck Posted on 08/03/2012 19:07
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Thanks flaps

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 19:07
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Agreed flaps you know (taps nose)

1 last thing

Link: try doing this on your cheap laptop

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 19:09
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[:D]heard all your XXXXXXy arguments before flaps, you have no new material, just your usual, apple apologist cack

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:09
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I'm not an apple apologist, I just know what I'm talking about. Try it some time.

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:11
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Considering Apple are one of the most valuable companies in the world, have $100 billion in the bank and have defined the smartphone and tablet computer markets, I'm not sure what apology you're looking for.

It seems they're doing something right, even if you dont get it.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 19:12
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[:D]ha ha ha

the only example you can give me is some XXXXXXing piano app gimmick i have on my XXXXXXing £50 mobile phone

1-0 dude

try again

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:13
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What a strange little man.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 19:13
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[:D]yeah, mcdonalds have made millions as well killing people and making them fat and unhealthy

the fact they are making such massive profits is proof of style of substance you stupid little man

ha ha ha ha ha ha

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:14
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I'm detecting an echo...

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:15
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You do realise you're not supposed to eat iPads, don't you dude?

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 19:15
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it's the empty space inbetween your ears flaps

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:16
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I think you need a lie down petal you're embarrassing yourself.

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:17
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Still waiting to find out where you got that laptop from for £329...surely you didn't just make it up did you?

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 19:18
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don't take my word for it, take the word of the millions already regretting wasting money on them.

2-0 dude

Link: overrated useless cack

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:18
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ok but do you have a link to your £329 laptop?

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 19:19
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[:D]i bought the laptop from dell you silly little man

try going on google and typing in 'laptops versus ipads'


flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:20
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lol you didnt buy that laptop from dell for £329

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:21
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Why would i google 'laptop vs ipad'? They're different things.

You don't choose one or the other, you have both.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 19:22
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i'm growing tired of the same debates with you apple christians

you just filter out known fact and logic and XXXXXX on about silly piano apps whilst just dismissing the capabilities of cheap laptops in comparision

go and spout your cack to some chimp of the street who might be gullible enough to believe it

i ask for an example of an application you can use in a business sense, and all i get is 2 XXXXXXing ipads next to each other with a silly piano app

3-0 and goodnight losers

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:23
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So we've established you're a liar and you're continuing to get upset and abusive.

I think it's a good idea for you to retire from this thread.

But I dare say you'll be back before too long.

As for business applications, google Omni's range of apps.

Pauluka Posted on 08/03/2012 19:24
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Flaps, you and oooooo should be the WWE, would make a great tag team.

"Coming to the ring, at a combined weight of 782lb......THE Apple......Turnoverrrrrrrs"

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:25
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I don't think I'd be allowed in the team, I've got an Android phone.

Starbuck Posted on 08/03/2012 19:25
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Can you load iTunes onto, say, a Samsung Tablet ?

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:25
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No, but I'm not sure why you'd want to.

Starbuck Posted on 08/03/2012 19:49
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I have all my music on iTunes on my laptop and would want to transfer it. It includes a lot of purchases of both songs and music video from iTunes Store.

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 19:54
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That's not going to happen with a non-apple device.

Starbuck Posted on 08/03/2012 19:56
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Do you just mean tablets ??

Cos I've already done it from my Toshiba laptop to my Dell laptop

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 08/03/2012 19:57
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[:D]ha ha ha

lol, you can however, make you own music if you buy 2 and download a piano app



ghostfox Posted on 08/03/2012 19:58
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Apple build quality is top drawer,
Ease of use ,
And I've never had an app that didn't work.
Where as a lad at work bought some android 400 quid thing and has nothing but chew with thing working ,
It's cheap tacky feel, looks like it would t take a lot to knack.
But each to their own, I love all the aple products and will buy the ipad3 , I'll either sell my ipad2 or the wife and kids can have it.
Can I just say I've never been on a forum/message board where people slag each other off as much as this one.
Pathetic really.

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 20:02
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"Do you just mean tablets ??"

Yes I mean tablets.

There might be ways around it: converting music and video tracks maybe. But there won't just be a simple way to sync it.

Starbuck Posted on 08/03/2012 20:05
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Last time I did it by upoloading my "back-up" disc of my iTunes library. Very straightforward.

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 20:07
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Yeah but it sounds like that was restoring an itunes library on one computer than came from an another from a backup.

With an iPad or iPhone, you synchronise this library with the device and copy across the media you want to have on the portable device.

You won't be able to do this with a phone or tablet that isn't an iphone or ipad.

But, like I said, there might be ways of converting the various things in your iTunes library and copying them across without using iTunes. It'll just be a bit of a mess on.

boro999 Posted on 08/03/2012 20:08
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love all these clowns who cant afford a new ipad slaging it off!!!

100Rod100 Posted on 08/03/2012 21:31
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even funnier is all the 'pro android' followers who make the most noise about how poor apple and IOS are.

but their not 'fanboys' like those who buy apple products [rle]

PhillyMac Posted on 08/03/2012 21:51
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Agree, Rod.

Another example:

There's a link in this thread about how one-in-four Brits regret buying it.

There's another headline on that same site, "Apple iPad 2 sales leave something to be desired: report"

Unreal. I realise it was written at a certain point-in-time, but it just shows how people love to sh** on popular things. One quarter later and the iPad is outselling any single PC maker.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 21:54
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it so pathetic that some Apple followers think that people don't like apple because they can't afford them.[V]

small minded scum who think they are better than others because they have an expensive toy, makes me sick.

there are plenty of wealthy none apple users out there, in the same way that there are plenty of welthy apple users.

So if you think owning gadgets makes you better than others go and support Man U or Man City you pretentious scum

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 08/03/2012 21:55
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Starbuck do you still have the ipod with all the music on?

If so make sure your ipod is fully synced with itunes then download a free programme called sharepod.

This will allow you to transfer all if the music from the ipod onto your computer.

then you have all of your music and can add it to itunes if you wish. Personally I would bin itunes off and use mediamonkey which is free and excellent.

Hope this helps [^]

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 21:57
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"it so pathetic that some Apple followers think that people don't like apple because they can't afford them."

I'd agree with this. Android tablets are just as expensive as their iPad counterparts.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 22:06
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Rod, no one has on this thread has said iOS is crap, even I don't think it's crap! I just know it's not right for me. Somehow Apple fans read that as an attack on their mere existense[rle]

You can not have a constructive discussion about competitors, or even disagree with hyped marketing from Apple.

read my first post in this thread and tell me what's unjustified, then read someone like ooooo's first post and tell me what's right with it?[:D]

100Rod100 Posted on 08/03/2012 22:08
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mr_maz - scum is a little strong do you not think?

i think you need to get out a little more often - you're getting yourself so worked up about a product that has changed the way the majority of the population interact with a 'computer' or would like to interact with a 'computer'.

apple should be applauded for changing the way the world uses phones and now for introducing tablets to the main stream [^]

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 22:11
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exactly flaps, money is not the issue.

for me it's preference, the iPhone 4 is gorgeous, if I could get with ICS I would take one now! The iPhone 5 will be stunning and will probably have great specs, but again I would only buy it if it had android.

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 22:15
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There's only one phone with ICS at the moment.

That's one of Android's problems.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 22:16
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no mate, I think it's quiet measured. if SOME people think they are better than others because they own a Gadget (that's all these things are) then I think that's scum worthy.

I think what the iPad does is great and I nearly bought one when it first came out, but I just don't like the interface.

I also don't like Apple as a company but if they produced something I wanted I wouldn't cut my nose to spite my face. the problem is I don't like it.

Now if they did an iPad Pro with OS-X I would seriously reconsider

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 22:16
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They do - it's called a Macbook Air.

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 22:18
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Scum? Wow. [:D]

At least the_dude has passed out.

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 22:21
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Android's main problems are:

OEM customisation
OEM/Carrier upgrade schedules months behind google OS releases
Lack of tablet apps - stretched phone apps just aren't good enough
Lack of quality apps generally - all the app money is made on ios, whats left over on android are rarely up to the same standard.

The problem is that Google lost control of the OS - which was their original plan. But by allowing it to be changed by OEMs as it is means that it's in the mess it is in now.

Amazon's Kindle Fire is showing what needs to be done to fix it.

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 22:22
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so you think money makes you a better person that someone else?

personally I believe it's peoples actions not the size of their bank account.

but you are who you are I guess...

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 22:26
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Can you get MS Office on an iPad ??

No not as such as flaps says you can get hold of the Apple apps pages numbers & keynote

there are however apps where if you need to use office documents you can work with them & edit them too

The most popular at the moment would be DocsToGo you can sync from your PC or Mac to DocsToGo & be able to work with them another option is to sign up to google docs here you can again store your documents & edit them online

If you use GoogleDocs you can use DocsToGo which will sync over the net or there is a specific app GoDocs which again syncs over the net to GoogleDocs look them both up in the app store

mr_maz Posted on 08/03/2012 22:27
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the thing is flaps, I don't see the first two as issues.

it's the nature of the beast when dealing with open source OS. I can understand how this is alien to Apple users.

As for Apps, the only App I have ever been annoyed about not having on Android was Sky Go, and now that's available!

flaps Posted on 08/03/2012 22:30
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I'm not sure you understand at all.

What previous comparison do you have for this that makes you 'understand' why a mobile phone operating system will have slow or entirely absent updates?

You may not see them as issues, but they're very big issues: for users and app developers alike.

It's all about the apps I'm afraid. You may not care much for them, but most do.

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 22:33
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I think my response to Alvez_48, showed I'm not really interested in wealth or bragging about it. I just think calling people scum when they make clearly tongue-in-cheek remarks about jealousy is a bit rough.

I think this is a bit rich (pun intended) coming form someone who decided to quiz me on my job and age so he could get in how he ran ecommerce for a multi-billion Euro company.

Finally, if Google had sold hardware direct to carriers then I would have upgrade from my G1 to a google handset. To suggest this was not possible due to the open-source nature of Android is not right especially when IOS sits on top of an open-source kernel.

100Rod100 Posted on 08/03/2012 22:37
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there are various apps out there that allow you to open ms office docs.

and like its already been pointed out, dont compare a tablet to a laptop as theyre not the same.

the first ipad was a quantumn shift in the way we interact with technology, same as the iphone. apple really should be applauded.

i dont own an ipad but have a decent spec vaio laptop - i now wish i had a tablet device just for sheer ease of use tbh. whether that turns out to be an ipad is another matter

Juan_Sheet Posted on 08/03/2012 22:44
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Rod your right there are hundreds of apps which ill open MS office docs

I think people & companies like these apps due to the fact they can be synced over the net being able to use Google Docs means a company can have one place to store the docs then any member of the team can access & be able to work on them & keep them up to date

oooooo Posted on 08/03/2012 22:50
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Out-of-the-box, it can display word attachments. I'm pretty sure there were strong rumours that Office for iPad was going to be announced at the Apple keynote thing. I wonder if there really is something in the pipeline?

Juan_Sheet Posted on 09/03/2012 00:05
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Yeah it can display them oooooo you can view them if they are attachments in e mails etc

I haven't heard of anything regarding office for iPad but it would be a good move especially for business users

PhillyMac Posted on 09/03/2012 03:58
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I know this blog post will make a few of you throw up in your mouth, but to be honest I think he nails it.


“Only Apple could deliver this kind of innovation, in such a beautiful, integrated, and easy-to-use way. It’s what we love to do. It’s what we stand for. And across the year, you’re going to see a lot more of this kind of innovation. We are just getting started.”

That was Tim Cook, closing yesterday’s event introducing the new retina display iPad. Here’s the thing: he was right. To pretend otherwise you have to put your head in the sand (or some other hole).

Cook’s remarks may be immodest, but they are not hyperbole. No other company could today produce something like this new iPad. Not at these prices, at these quantities, at a worldwide scope, with a content ecosystem and user experience of the iPad’s quality. Apple is in a league of its own, and the iPad exemplifies it.

Two years after announcing the original iPad, Apple has produced a version that simply blows that original model away in every single regard. It’s faster, it’s thinner, it feels better in hand, it supports LTE networking, and yet battery life is better. The retina display is simply astounding to behold. Eight days from today they’re shipping a product that two years ago would have been impossible at any price, and they’ve made it look easy.

Nothing is guaranteed to last. The future’s uncertain and the end is always near. Apple’s position atop the industry may prove fleeting. But right now, Apple is Secretariat at the Belmont. And the company, to a person, seems hell-bent on not letting any competitor catch up. ★

MightyDuck Posted on 09/03/2012 09:01
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i'm not a techno geek and i would like someone to answer this:

if you own a smart phone, why would you buy a tablet instead of a laptop?

different_gravy Posted on 09/03/2012 09:06
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Wish I had never asked now - haha!

I went to the apple shop lst night, gonna purchase a Mac Air instead of the Ipad.

The End

mr_maz Posted on 09/03/2012 09:19
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the new Mac Air's are great, good shout

100Rod100 Posted on 09/03/2012 09:23
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does itcome with android or ice cream sandwich [rle]

flaps Posted on 09/03/2012 12:18
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"if you own a smart phone, why would you buy a tablet instead of a laptop?"

Why would you be choosing between laptop or tablet? They're different things. One does not replace the other.

MightyDuck Posted on 09/03/2012 12:27
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flaps, i wasnt trying to take the p1ss. i genuinely dont know. i know you can have apps on ipads but what does it offer more than an iphone and what does it do that a laptop doesnt?

i want to know cos if they do good stuff that im missing out on i may get one.

flaps Posted on 09/03/2012 12:34
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Well similarly...why have a smartphone when you can do the same sort of stuff on a laptop?

Why have a laptop when you can use a desktop PC?

They're all different devices with overlapping capabilities. Tablets particularly offer a true 'instant on' casual computing environment.

Can it do anything that other devices can't already do? Nope.

But, again, the same could be said of laptops - but we don't ask anymore why you would want a laptop when desktop PCs exist.

PhillyMac Posted on 09/03/2012 12:36
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A large percentage of what I do on my tablet is simply browsing the web (or apps like Facebook, which are simple replacements for the website). I have a laptop too, with a bigger screen and a keyboard, but still choose the tablet.

Why choose the seemingly-inferior product?

- Instant boot-up
- No annoying updates to install (java, adobe, windows, printer drivers, etc)
- It just seems quicker and more pleasant to use
- Lighter to carry around
- doesn't get hot
- Never seems to run out of battery juice

So do I NEED one to browse the web? No. But it's a lot nicer, IMO.

Then you have all the apps. I play scrabble, tune my guitar, read RSS feeds, read books, play chess, play some other games take notes during meetings.

MightyDuck Posted on 09/03/2012 12:55
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flaps, you would have a laptop instead of a desktop so you dont have to sit in the same place to use it or have a desk set up in your house. you can also take a laptop on the move.

i only have a smart phone as you cant really get a normal phone anymore.

flaps Posted on 09/03/2012 12:58
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You can take a desktop PC on the move if you want as well though. You just need a bigger bag to carry it in.

...which of course would be absurd. But you can think of reasons yourself why a laptop PC is more appropriate and better to use than a desktop PC in various situations. Apply the same rationale to an even more portable computing device than a laptop, one that requires no boot time, is 'instantly on', keeps a battery charge for 10 hours and has extremely low maintenance. If you can do this, then you can start to understand what the point of a tablet computer is.

flaps Posted on 09/03/2012 13:00
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You can still buy dumbphones btw.

MightyDuck Posted on 09/03/2012 13:10
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ha, even dumbphones have internet access now.

i know the tablets are very slim and portable etc i just thought they must do something special. i'll get myself to a shop and have a look

there was a bloke playing with one on the train a while ago, must have been a driving game as he was using it like a steering wheel, tongue out and everything.

flaps Posted on 09/03/2012 13:12
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They dont do anything 'special' that you cant imagine doing now with a laptop, except for the touch screen.

It's how and when you do the things that you already do that's different.

expat_smoggie Posted on 09/03/2012 13:12
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Ok the res is great-- spec wise-- but lets not forget that most of the stuff you download/view is based on low to medium res so as to keep the upload/download in line with a users ip speed -- for me it's just tec spin

flaps Posted on 09/03/2012 13:15
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None of that makes sense.

Juan_Sheet Posted on 09/03/2012 13:58
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They dont do anything 'special' that you cant imagine doing now with a laptop

Well kind of true things like being able to walk around while putting stuff together taking notes etc not so easy with a laptop also being able to take a pic or vid then being able to e mail directly from the device

The biggest thing is as mentioned the speed of doing things also the portability being out on site or out in the field the ability to still be able to connect to the Internet via 3G means you can stay in touch with your office or customers which for a lot of business people is invaluable I know you can buy dongles etc but they don't seem to be very popular

MightyDuck Posted on 09/03/2012 14:16
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can you put CD's onto the itunes on an ipad?

flaps Posted on 09/03/2012 14:22
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You can rip CDs to itunes and then sync it to your ipad if you want yes.

MightyDuck Posted on 09/03/2012 14:39
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i was wondering if you could use the ipad to put itunes on and then sync that with an ipod.

thats why i wanted to know if you could put CD's on it

flaps Posted on 09/03/2012 14:43
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You cant physically fit a CD into an iPad, if that's what you're asking.

And no, you can't sync an iPod up to an iPad with a cable, as if it was a computer.

You can, however, buy music on your iPad through iTunes and have it available for download on your iPod touch (but not an old classic iPod).

Alternatively, if you have an iTunes library on your computer and subscribe to iTunes Match, any CDs you rip to iTunes are available to download off the internet to your iPad or iPod touch or iPhone.

different_gravy Posted on 09/03/2012 15:03
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Just stop being tight and buy a Apple Mac.

Best of both worlds!!


MightyDuck Posted on 09/03/2012 15:17
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defo not buying an apple mac for the sole use of itunes, f*cebook & fmttm.

Starbuck Posted on 09/03/2012 15:35
New Ipad


Thanks for that info. Appreciated.

Juan_Sheet Posted on 09/03/2012 15:41
New Ipad

Your welcome Starbuck