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CommanderComcast Posted on 16/02/2012 14:47
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Allan Johnston

Steve Spriggs

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 14:48
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Aw...what was 'is name again...

jonniovdaboro Posted on 16/02/2012 14:48
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Keith O neil

Tony Vidmar

Anthony Ormerod

UTB

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 14:49
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Martin Russell.

Mr_B_Otter Posted on 16/02/2012 14:50
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

billy woof

mitch_at_merseyside Posted on 16/02/2012 14:51
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Doriva
Mark Wilson
Carlo Nash
Ray Parlour
Reiziger
Nemeth
Anthony Peacock

Capybara Posted on 16/02/2012 14:52
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Maurice Short.

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 14:53
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Alan Murray.

Now drinking for England in the George and Dragon in Yarm. [^][:D]

xxlshirts_fit_all Posted on 16/02/2012 14:54
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

by its nature, this thread should have only been one post long
how can we name someone who we've forgotten![?]

CommanderComcast Posted on 16/02/2012 14:57
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Shirts - good point.

Anyway, when did Maurice Short play..? Never heard of him, let alone 'forgotten'.

Peter Flear

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 14:57
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Re XXL

I couldnt on post 2 but then it came back to me (see post 8)

BillBones Posted on 16/02/2012 15:05
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Martin Russell was my first thought too VAN. Closely followed by Colin Walsh. Although, I think Walsh was only a loan signing.

wildchildjim Posted on 16/02/2012 15:07
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Willy Falconer.
Mark Baird.
[:D]

LTS_3 Posted on 16/02/2012 15:07
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Benito Carbone

Nice_Haas Posted on 16/02/2012 15:08
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Christian Hanson [;)]

Capybara Posted on 16/02/2012 15:08
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Peter Wilson and Alan McNeill.

Supermac Posted on 16/02/2012 15:10
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Mitch at a guess I would say at least 75% of boro fans remember all of then

otto42 Posted on 16/02/2012 15:11
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Ronnie Coyle

PAULIEJ Posted on 16/02/2012 15:13
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Bobby Thomson.

wildchildjim Posted on 16/02/2012 15:13
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

I'm sorry I do believe I mean Mark Burke [:I]
and Ian Baird, I was to quick for my
own good then [:I]

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 15:14
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Billy Thingummybob and Jack Wotchercallim.

TeeSv Posted on 16/02/2012 15:16
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Phil Stamp
Micky Angus
Peter Creamer

although as I see them out and about a lot not entirely forgotten by me

clay_davis Posted on 16/02/2012 15:17
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Tarmo Kink

HarryVegas Posted on 16/02/2012 15:18
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Anthony Ormerod
Ugo

mitch_at_merseyside Posted on 16/02/2012 15:18
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Not just by name my friend.

It's what they offered to the club at the time, some are unsung heroes whilst some where a waste of money/space. [^]

Free_Subbuteo_171 Posted on 16/02/2012 15:22
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

John Wark
Jimmy Phillips
Mark Barham
Trevor Putney
Brian Horne

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 16/02/2012 15:24
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Brian Deane

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 15:24
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

And Trevor Putney's party piece was, allegedly? [;)]

dickleflem Posted on 16/02/2012 15:29
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Dick Le Flem Brian Orrit Ian Bailey Arthur Horsefield Dickie Rookes Terry Cooper

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 15:30
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

'Aye aye aye aye, Horsfield is better than Pele'

BillBones Posted on 16/02/2012 15:32
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Some terrible shouts on here.

Nemeth? FFS [|)]

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 15:34
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Who?

Dynamo Posted on 16/02/2012 15:35
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Pat Cuff

ted_dn38416 Posted on 16/02/2012 15:36
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

robbie stockdale

ZappBrannagan Posted on 16/02/2012 15:37
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Craig Harrison
Derek Whyte

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 16/02/2012 15:38
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Tommy Wright

CommanderComcast Posted on 16/02/2012 15:40
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Jimmy Phillips? FFS..!

He played for us for about 5 seasons and kept banging in 30 yarders..!

Give your head a shake...!

hopesoboro Posted on 16/02/2012 15:48
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Marco Branca - great player for Boro

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 16/02/2012 15:50
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Toni Mowbray [;)]

RenzoRosso Posted on 16/02/2012 15:50
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Salif Bagayoko
Arturo Bernhardt
Steph Mcgargle

TheMonkticArcties Posted on 16/02/2012 15:52
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Ugo?! Are you mad?! Carling Cup Winner!

My shout is Michael Debeve.

jimbob1981 Posted on 16/02/2012 15:55
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Michael Reiziger

Squizza Posted on 16/02/2012 15:57
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Fabio...Emmersons cousin who some how managed to get a few game in under Bryan Robson. I seem to recall him doing quite well when he got the nod.

dicky2006 Posted on 16/02/2012 16:04
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Alan Wright

Boro_Brick_Road Posted on 16/02/2012 16:22
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Jason Gavin

Tyrone_Shoelaces Posted on 16/02/2012 16:22
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Mick Kennedy
Pat Heard
Steve Corden

ted_dn38416 Posted on 16/02/2012 16:23
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Chris Freestone

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 16:24
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Yeah, Colin Walsh was on loan from Charlton. We sent Kernaghan down there and they sent Walsh to us.

Michael Trotter.

CommanderComcast Posted on 16/02/2012 16:25
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Jason Gavin..! Great shout. Where did he go to? I can't recall him playing for anyone but us.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 16:25
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Gustavo Lombardi.

Capybara Posted on 16/02/2012 16:28
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Some of these players didn't actually play for the first team though, did they? They can't count surely. Jason Gavin went to Bradford City I believe then back to Ireland.

Harry Charlton.

wildchildjim Posted on 16/02/2012 16:28
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Jon Gittens [:D]

I think that was his name

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 16:29
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Ian Ironside.

Flood Posted on 16/02/2012 16:39
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Paul Okon

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 16:40
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Dwight Marshall.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 16/02/2012 16:49
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Thingy

Michael_Debeve Posted on 16/02/2012 16:59
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

No1 can forget me. Vladimir Kinder

bear66 Posted on 16/02/2012 17:05
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

brian marwood

Tyrone_Shoelaces Posted on 16/02/2012 17:35
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

The Madison's very own Mark Brennan

CommanderComcast Posted on 16/02/2012 17:54
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Ian Arnold.

TheNewHolgate Posted on 16/02/2012 17:58
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Jay O'Shea
Michael Thomas
Mark Summerbell

Borocelt Posted on 16/02/2012 18:26
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

There's some shockingly bad shouts in this thread.....

Mickael Debeve.
Gustavo Lombardi.
Ricardinho.

loftusloyal Posted on 16/02/2012 18:37
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

paul forrester... andy crawford...ian johnson..andrew strong..mick saxby..simon coleman..andy peyton...john kay

Dustbin_Man Posted on 16/02/2012 18:46
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

PC Andy Peake

sossage Posted on 16/02/2012 18:46
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

John Hewitt

boro74 Posted on 16/02/2012 18:48
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Basil Stonehouse

loftusloyal Posted on 16/02/2012 18:49
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

this is abit like a post on liecesters forum headed.list of shoite,.the ability of some of names on here is frightening .

Free_Subbuteo_171 Posted on 16/02/2012 18:53
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Rab Shannon.
John Hewitt.

Tortured_Mind Posted on 16/02/2012 18:55
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Alan Walsh.


Link: #

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 18:56
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Brian Horne.

captain5 Posted on 16/02/2012 18:57
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

David Winnie.

boro74 Posted on 16/02/2012 18:59
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Stan Webb

4740 Posted on 16/02/2012 19:36
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Graham Headley
Chris kamara
pat cuff
Jim Stewart
Stephen Bell

SuperJonGittensSlicedClearance Posted on 16/02/2012 19:42
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Juninho [:D]

Lee Turnbull - Thought he looked a good prospect until he went to Villa

The Reverend Alan Comfort
Mark Hudson
Steve Baker
Paul Proudlock

ItsMe Posted on 16/02/2012 19:51
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Didn't Micheal Thomas, the Arsenal player who scored a last minute title winner v Liverpool, once play for us?

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 19:53
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Not once, 10 times. [8)]

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 16/02/2012 19:53
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Alan wright

mickgaz Posted on 16/02/2012 21:08
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

jim stewart
alan comfort
kelham ohanlon
stephen bell. RIP
irvine nattrass
gary rowel

outmac Posted on 16/02/2012 21:12
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

John Eustace , that great 2 minutes at Anfield.
Nicky 'dj' Peverell.

BoroPhil Posted on 16/02/2012 21:23
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Neil Illman


TeessideSeasider Posted on 16/02/2012 21:26
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Davvy Currie
Phil Kite
David Brown

ollydog Posted on 16/02/2012 21:32
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Hignett after reading match[sad]

CommanderComcast Posted on 16/02/2012 21:34
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Richard Liburd

alanmoodysdog Posted on 16/02/2012 21:40
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Alan Moody
Paul Sugrue
Ray Hankin
Colin Ross
Bryan Myton
George Smith
Alan Kennady
johnny Crossan


and I give you........................................................................................................................................Cyril Knowles

TheNewHolgate Posted on 16/02/2012 21:52
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Jason Kennedy
Herold Goulon

parmoandstella Posted on 16/02/2012 21:54
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Fabio [ref]

TheNewHolgate Posted on 16/02/2012 21:58
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Diego Forlan

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 22:13
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Sean Kilgannon.

4740 Posted on 16/02/2012 22:20
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Mick Angus - became a copper & arrested me once.

I was innocent by the way.

sponski2000 Posted on 16/02/2012 22:38
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Possibly the most recent truly forgotten - Chris Killen.

Strachans_Tossed_Caber Posted on 16/02/2012 22:45
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Caleb Folan

Brian Close

O'Halloran

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 22:47
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Kyle Naughton and Matt Kilgallon.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 16/02/2012 22:47
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Paul Ward,
Peter Johnson

Strachans_Tossed_Caber Posted on 16/02/2012 22:48
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Mickael Tavares

jonniovdaboro Posted on 16/02/2012 22:52
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Danny Mills

Tortured_Mind Posted on 16/02/2012 23:01
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Billy Day

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 23:02
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Anthony Barness.

davidchadwick Posted on 16/02/2012 23:12
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

me

Capybara Posted on 16/02/2012 23:20
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Maurice Short was a goalkeeper, end of the 60s by the way.

JT_Vegas Posted on 16/02/2012 23:22
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Andy Campbell

Nobby_Barnes Posted on 16/02/2012 23:27
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

There are no forgotton players to a true Boro fan, I remember all of those mentioned above !

johngannoncorners Posted on 17/02/2012 00:54
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Brian Marwood?

PatoRabbane Posted on 17/02/2012 01:32
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Graham kavanagh

jimmy_james Posted on 17/02/2012 07:13
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Ray Parlour

Most can not remember him playing.


Played about 60 times and was an unused sub quite a few times as well.
I think he was even in the eufa cup squad.

CommanderComcast Posted on 17/02/2012 08:23
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

I reckon every player who only played from 81-85 should, arguably, be on this list. Bit of a forgotten period if you like with not much joy to look back on.

Joe Bolton
Mick Baxter (RIP)

DW31 Posted on 17/02/2012 08:50
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

John Brownlie
Paul Norton
Micky Young

borojack Posted on 17/02/2012 08:59
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Maxi Haas!

smoggieboy Posted on 17/02/2012 09:53
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

andy townsend
Graig dove
dean gordon
jonathan greening
Clayton Blackmore

BillBones Posted on 17/02/2012 10:43
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

'Ray Parlour

Most can not remember him playing'.

Utter, utter nonsense.

metaltony Posted on 17/02/2012 10:54
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Heini otto

Nous_serons Posted on 17/02/2012 11:08
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Stan Cummins

newyddion Posted on 17/02/2012 12:13
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Carlos Marinelli

did he come back a 2nd time?

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 17/02/2012 12:14
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

No, you're probably thinking of Jaime Moreno.

Tortured_Mind Posted on 17/02/2012 13:35
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Peter Beagrie


Link: #

beerwulf Posted on 17/02/2012 13:45
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Nicknamed 'The Artful Dodger' ( honest, look him up on wiki) I give you,
ALAN WILLEY.

LeeMiller Posted on 17/02/2012 13:48
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

That lad, who came down from Aberdeen a couple of years ago. I think he played up front

TeeSv Posted on 17/02/2012 13:54
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

"Mick Angus - became a copper & arrested me once. I was innocent by the way"

I believe you [;)]......he's a sargeant now [rle]

Mr_Wobbly_Hands Posted on 17/02/2012 13:56
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Mitch Cook [?]
Alan Ramage

newyddion Posted on 17/02/2012 15:06
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

ProudToComeFromTeesside yeah Jaime Moreno [^]

halcyon Posted on 17/02/2012 15:11
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

I played alongside Ramage in Darlo & District league game.. Everything was going hunky dory till he tackled their centre forward chest high - after 2 minutes. [:D]

I bet that centre forward hasn't forgotten him.

borobadge Posted on 17/02/2012 15:17
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

thats mostly a list of loanees, fring players and those on the margins from the 70's....

one bloke i can never remember, played in a cup final @ wembley!!.......(ive just done some research to name him!)


owen mcgee.

a cup final [cr]


and i agree Paul Okon is much forgotten (for obvious reasons, some would say) from the more recent players, and rizeigger !!

peck Posted on 17/02/2012 15:18
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

richard liburd
dean gordon
alan moore
jimmy phillips
gianluca festa
carbone
gary walsh
steve vickers
dereck whyte
andy peake
chris morris
harrison
carlos maranelli `the next maradonna'

BillBones Posted on 17/02/2012 18:30
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

This thread is meant to be about Boro players who have been forgotten by many Peck. That is just a list of run of the mill ex Boro players

mickgaz Posted on 17/02/2012 18:55
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

david currie
dave shearer

viv gustafo lombardi thats one who passed me by when was he at the boro ?

bevoboro Posted on 17/02/2012 19:46
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Gustavo Lombardi was an Argentinian right back IIRC. Cant remember where he came from but I remember him getting a few games for us.

George1507 Posted on 17/02/2012 19:59
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Michael Reiziger
Brian Orritt
Ian Gibson
Hugh Mcilmoyle
Don Masson
Don Ratcliffe
David Chadwick
Eddie Connachan
Johnny Crossan
Mel Nurse
Eric Mcmordie
Derek Downing
Geoff Butler
Alec Smith
Andy Dibble

mozz Posted on 17/02/2012 22:09
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Mark Hudson
Tommy wright

Michael_Debeve Posted on 17/02/2012 22:18
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

John Eustace

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 17/02/2012 22:53
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

mick - We brought Gustavo Lombardi in from River Plate for the 1998/99 season. He joined on a season-long loan-deal. But he never played a game for us and was never even included in the first-team squad for a game. I'm not even sure whether he stayed with us for the whole season, or whether we just cut our losses after a couple of months, when it became apparent he wasn't really what we were looking for, and went with Jason Gavin instead. Bizarre signing really.

row_7 Posted on 18/02/2012 01:02
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Nobby Stiles [^]

jgreggs Posted on 18/02/2012 04:31
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Paul Forrester
Kevin Burgess
Wesley Byrne
Marcus Bent
Isaiah Osbourne
Maxi Haas
Keith O'Halloran
Matty Coddington
Andrew Fletcher
Garry Agnew
Gary Liddle
Luke Wilkshire
David Knight

Dribble Posted on 18/02/2012 05:28
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Gary McDonald
Maurice Short was understudy to Willie Whigham I believe and played around 1970/1971.
He`s also a very nice bloke to boot.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 18/02/2012 10:45
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Chris Bennion.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 18/02/2012 10:46
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Andy Collett.

coluka Posted on 18/02/2012 12:48
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Andy Crawford

FFSBoro Posted on 18/02/2012 12:49
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Gary McDonald... Good shout Dibble. I used to know Gary when he worked for Shaun in Tin Pan Alley in Stockton. Top, top lad.

tricky1992000 Posted on 18/02/2012 12:51
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

what'shisface? you know ahhh, he looks a bit like that guy off tv

BrucieRiochsRedAndWhiteArmy Posted on 18/02/2012 13:33
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Don O'Riordan


Link: Don

rufus4 Posted on 18/02/2012 18:43
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

What about Fabio (think he was Emmersons Relation).
Also agree about Maurice Short,he is a perfect gentleman.

backofthenet Posted on 18/02/2012 18:49
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Andy Wilson

redwurzel Posted on 18/02/2012 18:59
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Mitch Cook
??? Crawford (forward in 83/4 - scored once)
Mark Barham

ChristsChin Posted on 18/02/2012 19:47
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Dave Thomas

r00fie Posted on 18/02/2012 19:52
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

John Gittens.

Big_Jacks_Sweater Posted on 18/02/2012 19:53
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Some shiite names on here "forgtten" ffs okay:
Juninho, Ravanelli, Emerson, Merson, Southgate ......... etc.

and for a genuine one - Phil Boersma

ChristsChin Posted on 18/02/2012 19:56
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

John Brownlie

bevoboro Posted on 18/02/2012 20:04
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Did Lombardi never play a game for us v_a_n [?]

God knows who I am thinking of then [:D]

tricky1992000 Posted on 19/02/2012 03:41
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

here is a list of players and appearances

who the f is Michael Young.... internet search finds nothing, what game did he play in?


Link: players and appearances

7_The_Informer Posted on 19/02/2012 04:32
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Good shout above with Salif Bagayoko, though did he ever get a first team game? He was around the stiffs for many years.

He used to stand next to me in the Holgate sometimes. I used to cringe and feel for him big time when we played teams like Palace and all the racist chant from Boro came out. Glad times have changed.

Vasily_Rats Posted on 06/03/2012 19:27
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players


Just heard Fraser Wishart mentioned on R5L...he's a Jock PFA big cheese now, helping redundo'd Rangers players find jobs in Asda.

I'm sure Boro had him on loan in the early 90s?

The_Duke Posted on 06/03/2012 21:04
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Trevor Senior
Owen McGee
Ben Roberts
Willie Falconer
Andy Payton
Andy Townsend
John Gannon
Phil Whelan
Tommy Wright

scally Posted on 06/03/2012 21:20
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

I'm sure I saw Nicky Mohan in Bargain Madness the other day.

Casey_99 Posted on 06/03/2012 22:24
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Mickey Angus - remember him now. Had a storming debut (in a derby v S'land?.)
Then what happened?

Boro_Ulster_Exile Posted on 06/03/2012 23:14
Middlesbrough's Forgotten Players

Maxi Haas