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TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 17:56
To those who blindly back McDonald

I have pointed out for most of the season that McDonald is not good enough for MFC and his level of footballing skills would be better suited to a Div 1 or SPL team.

Many have slated me for this on here but I knew that as soon as he was replaced his frailties would be plain for all to see. He has now been replaced by 2 half decent strikers (Juke and Main) It's as obvious as the nose on your face that he simply isn't good enough for MFC.

So I say to Adi and all the others who have been blindly flogging a dead horse. Isn't it about time you hold your hands up and admit he isn't good enough for MFC??

mattyk50 Posted on 15/02/2012 17:58
To those who blindly back McDonald

yes, yes it is


you are right, and im sorry [|)]

gravyboat Posted on 15/02/2012 17:58
To those who blindly back McDonald

Top scorer, goal record of 1 in 3 at this level.

May have been over-priced, but of course he's good enough at this level.

nor_mate Posted on 15/02/2012 18:00
To those who blindly back McDonald

works extremely hard for the team, gets himself in good positions, creating space for others, and has a good scoring record for us. Easily good enough for us.

sasboro1 Posted on 15/02/2012 18:05
To those who blindly back McDonald

1 in 3 isnt too bad

Jutkiewicz record is very similar too.

does that mean both arent good enough?

you wont find many with 1 in 2

Supermac Posted on 15/02/2012 18:11
To those who blindly back McDonald

Scores 1 in 3 for us and creates plenty for robson and emnes(who then messes it up) yes he misses chances but he gets in good areas and doesn't let if affect him if he misses one, works tirelessly and is surprisingly good holding it up. We miss him massively when he's out as he's our biggest goal threat by far barring Robbo

Chappy112 Posted on 15/02/2012 18:13
To those who blindly back McDonald

He waits for us to finally win one game then proclaims he was right [^][:D]

ron_manager Posted on 15/02/2012 18:22
To those who blindly back McDonald

Did he not finish top scorer last season and is the top scorer this season.[rle]

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 18:30
To those who blindly back McDonald

McDonald's Boro record:


77 starts
5 sub appearences
27 goals
15 assists.

That's not too shabby.

I agree that we paid too much for him but that's in the past. We don't get that money back if we sell him.

I also agree his finishing could be better but I disagree he misses chances that any other forward would take. Other forwards don't get into the positions he does on a regular basis. He misses chances, but they're chances he makes through movement, anticipation and effort. Those are worth more than the ability to dribble past 4 men and stick it in the net.

I consider his critics to be foolish bigots who won't accept that he's done a decent job for us despite the hard proof listed above.

Sitrep Posted on 15/02/2012 18:39
To those who blindly back McDonald

I have to agree with the OP, all those pishyarised doom mongers who say, who will score our goals? We are doomed I tell yer doomed.

McDonald will not get in the team before Main and Juke, he will be moved on.

halcyon Posted on 15/02/2012 18:43
To those who blindly back McDonald

May I respectfully point out that since you posted something very similar about 2 weeks ago, and engendered vigorous disagreement, that 'tis you who is lashing the deceased old
nag. [8)]

GGGG Posted on 15/02/2012 18:44
To those who blindly back McDonald

Tallyho you sir are a chunt, feck off to the mackem board yer troll

Jdub Posted on 15/02/2012 18:48
To those who blindly back McDonald

Personally I think mc Donald was haven a great season he was our best chance of getting goals and works hard all through games!

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 18:49
To those who blindly back McDonald

All this thread illustrates is your need to be proven right and your inability to accept that people can and do disagree with you.

Main has been encouraging, Juke looks an excellent buy and Emnes score his first goal for a long time (is that 6 goals in 27 this season??). None of those things alter my view on McDonald one little bit.

He remains our top scorer, his absence, in my view, is felt by the team an he contributes lot more than just goals.

Overall and in summary I think you're wrong. However, if one game means you think you are proven correct I suspect there is little point debating it with you.

Jdub Posted on 15/02/2012 18:52
To those who blindly back McDonald

For the first time ADI I agree with you

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 18:53
To those who blindly back McDonald

Chappy I actually thought it would take about 10 games before his replacement would settle in and I could confidently make this announcement. However, as it is already so obvious that the Jukes and Mains footballing abilities are far superior to McDonalds; I can make it now.

I would also be very surprised if McDonald got picked in front of these two in the future.

BillBones Posted on 15/02/2012 18:54
To those who blindly back McDonald

Whatever your opinion on McDonald, I fail to see what has happened since he got injured to make the OP think he's been proved right.

Sitrep Posted on 15/02/2012 18:55
To those who blindly back McDonald

You won't even remember his name by the end of the season.[rle]

RenzoRosso Posted on 15/02/2012 18:56
To those who blindly back McDonald

he gets 1 in 3 you know

halcyon Posted on 15/02/2012 18:59
To those who blindly back McDonald

Be ready for a big surprise then TallyHo when Mac is fit again....

We wont be.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 15/02/2012 19:04
To those who blindly back McDonald

"I would also be very surprised if McDonald got picked in front of these two in the future"

And Emnes?

MacDonald had found some decent form for us before his injury and whilst I agree with another posts comment that he represents relatively poor value, he is nevertheless more than good enough for this level of football.

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 19:16
To those who blindly back McDonald

From the negative replies above I can only assume you all fit into one or more of the following categories;

a. You really are blind
b. You never go to a match
c. You only judge his footballing ability on his stats
d. You are related to him
e. You enjoy flogging a dead horse
f. You know nothing about football
g, You are a saboteur trying to trick Mogga into thinking that McDonald is a good player.

Hand on heart now, would you REALLY pick McDonald in front of the Juke???

MFC_Riverside Posted on 15/02/2012 19:21
To those who blindly back McDonald

No you'd pick him AND Juke.

Different players who offer different outlets. Both good enough for this league.

[^]

bill_door Posted on 15/02/2012 19:26
To those who blindly back McDonald

So in the world of Tallyho, a proven goalscoring record like McDonald's is second-best to a young lad with just a couple of games and no goals to his name?

Okay then.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 19:32
To those who blindly back McDonald

So option (h) that you might be wrong never comes close to entering your head?

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 19:36
To those who blindly back McDonald

Adi if McDonald proves me wrong I will be man enough to come on here and say so.

How about yourself?

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 19:38
To those who blindly back McDonald

"Adi if McDonald proves me wrong I will be man enough to come on here and say so"

You need to be more specific if your promise is to be taken seriously.

What does McDonald have to do to prove you wrong? How many goals over how many games?

The guy has averaged a goal evey other game since the start of November. That's great goalscoring by anyone's standard. It's done nothing to silence his critics though, yet that appears to have done nothing to change your opinion. Why? You surely follow Boro with your eyes shut and your fingers in your ears?

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 19:39
To those who blindly back McDonald

Absolutely. Done it loads of times. However, this isn't a question of being proven wrong or right, it's simply a matter of opinion. You seem to have a real problem with the notion of alternative opinions.

I would like to understand how either of us might be proven right or wrong though. Perhaps you could explain.

intheplasma Posted on 15/02/2012 19:40
To those who blindly back McDonald

Tallyho you are not wrong, McDonald is a whingeing forever on his ass waste of space.
His days hopefully are now numbered.

guyb Posted on 15/02/2012 19:41
To those who blindly back McDonald

I like McDonald. He always puts a shift in, works hard and gets a decent amount of goals. He's never going to get 20 a season but in this league I think he's perfectly adequate - which sounds like faint praise on reading back.

I would definitely start him ahead of Main right now who just isn't ready IMO.

Sitrep Posted on 15/02/2012 19:47
To those who blindly back McDonald

Yes, Boro supporters love a player who "puts a shift in"
Doesn't matter if he's a schit footballer.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 19:48
To those who blindly back McDonald

Thankfully McDonald isn't XXXXXX so we are ok.

CafeDelMar Posted on 15/02/2012 19:49
To those who blindly back McDonald

New username fishing for bites [rle]

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 19:50
To those who blindly back McDonald

"Doesn't matter if he's a schit footballer."

Doesn't matter if he scores goals either.

A goal every other game since the start of November, and his critics refuse to consider adjusting their opinons.

Instead, they seem to think worse of him BECAUSE he works hard.[8)]

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 19:51
To those who blindly back McDonald

Adi (and the rest of you) you could start by answering my question.

Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the Juke??

Simple answer Yes or No.

GGGG Posted on 15/02/2012 19:52
To those who blindly back McDonald

What delmar said [^]

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 19:52
To those who blindly back McDonald

Works hard, top scorer, in excellent form and has a good all round game. Ignore all that though.

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 19:53
To those who blindly back McDonald

"Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the Juke??"

No.
Would pick him alongside him. Would expect Mc to score more goals though.

Now answer my question: what, in your opinion does McDOnald have to do to make you change your mind? 20 goals in a season? 25?

Name your number becasue if you don't, you'll look like a vicious bigot with an axe to grind.

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 19:54
To those who blindly back McDonald

So that's one No how about the rest of you???

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 19:55
To those who blindly back McDonald

Probably not at the moment TallyHo. Different from any other striker and has scored in the last two games. I wouldn't have to make that choice of course but nonetheless that's my answer. Quite what that proves is anyone's guess.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 19:56
To those who blindly back McDonald

Now over to you.

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:01
To those who blindly back McDonald

Adi you just said that McDonald

Works hard, top scorer, in excellent form and has a good all round game.

Yet you would pick the Juke in front of him.

Need I say any more!!!

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 20:02
To those who blindly back McDonald

Yes.

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 20:02
To those who blindly back McDonald

"Now answer my question: what, in your opinion does McDOnald have to do to make you change your mind? 20 goals in a season? 25?
Name your number becasue if you don't, you'll look like a vicious bigot with an axe to grind."

Waiting

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 20:05
To those who blindly back McDonald

Problem is FH he can't answer that. He really can't without giving himself a bit of a problem.

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 20:07
To those who blindly back McDonald

Looks like I'll be waiting wa hile then. Lucky I'm patient.

The gaping flaws in TallyHo's argument seem to be:

1. He assumes we're only going to play with 1 striker.

2. He assumes that it is impossible for both Jutkiewicz and McDonald to be good stirkers.

Both assumptions are stupid.

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:09
To those who blindly back McDonald

FH

What McDonald has to do is

Win a header
Hold the ball up
Bring other players in to the game
Get more shots on target
Convert more of the simple chances he is presented with
Get past defenders
First touch a ball less than 10 yards
Scare defenders

CafeDelMar Posted on 15/02/2012 20:09
To those who blindly back McDonald

Poor wind up, 2/10 [V]

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 20:10
To those who blindly back McDonald

Strikers are judged on goals. We all know that.

We need a number please. 20 goals in a season? 25? You asked us for a "yes or no" before and we answered. It's only fair that you do the same.

GGGG Posted on 15/02/2012 20:12
To those who blindly back McDonald

Swims up, sniffs bait, swims away.

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:12
To those who blindly back McDonald

Simple numbers

International career

Games 25 Goals Scored 0

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 20:13
To those who blindly back McDonald

Ah, the intangibles Tally. You see I think he does most of that already reasonably well.

A simple number does the job.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 15/02/2012 20:14
To those who blindly back McDonald

How many caps has juke got?

This thread started poorly and is getting worse! [:D]

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:14
To those who blindly back McDonald

FH

With the guilt edged chances he's had this season he should be hitting the 20 mark already

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 20:14
To those who blindly back McDonald

"We need a number please. 20 goals in a season? 25? You asked us for a "yes or no" before and we answered. It's only fair that you do the same"

Still waiting.

CafeDelMar Posted on 15/02/2012 20:16
To those who blindly back McDonald

What's up kidda?
Has Hurworth XXXXXXed in your beer or summat?

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 20:17
To those who blindly back McDonald

"With the guilt edged chances he's had this season he should be hitting the 20 mark already"

Now stop trying to wriggle off the hook.
He can't change the past and my question is about the future.

One more time: how many goals does McDonald need to score in a season to make you stand up and admit that you were wrong?

A number please.

GGGG Posted on 15/02/2012 20:18
To those who blindly back McDonald

Tallyho needs his IP address banning the ar5ehole

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:19
To those who blindly back McDonald

Only a couple of reply's to my question, so I'll ask it again.

Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the Juke?

Yes or No

2 No's up to now, what about the rest of you.

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 20:21
To those who blindly back McDonald

"One more time: how many goals does McDonald need to score in a season to make you stand up and admit that you were wrong?

A number please."

Still waiting, my wriggling friend.

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:22
To those who blindly back McDonald

GGGG before you go crying to admin, answer my question

Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the JUKE?

Go on be man enough to answer it.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 20:22
To those who blindly back McDonald

Tally can't answer and he knows it. End of what little credibility he had.

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:23
To those who blindly back McDonald

Adi I've already answered it, I think he should have about 20 goals already

CafeDelMar Posted on 15/02/2012 20:23
To those who blindly back McDonald

TallyHo is the new board vvanker n a feckin [:o)]
FAO Admin IP ban the barcode troll


Link:

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 20:25
To those who blindly back McDonald

"Adi I've already answered it, I think he should have about 20 goals already"

So you ARE saying there is nothing he can do to change your mind?

You ARE saying that, for example, he knocked in 30 goals next season, you'd still be on here saying how rubbish he was.

That makes you a bigot, yes?

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:26
To those who blindly back McDonald

Another who cries to admin

Cafe answer the question

Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the Juke???

Yes or No

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 20:27
To those who blindly back McDonald

So, 20 goals by February equates to about 31 over a season.

That's what you demand before changing your mind on McDonald?

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:28
To those who blindly back McDonald

FH

You've already said you wouldn't pick him in front of the Juke. So you are actually agreeing with me.

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 20:29
To those who blindly back McDonald

"Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the Juke???

Yes or No"

An irrelevant question.

Why assume we'll only play with 1 striker? Why can't I think they're both good players?

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 20:30
To those who blindly back McDonald

Please explain how you conclude that we agree with you.

GGGG Posted on 15/02/2012 20:34
To those who blindly back McDonald

Oy tallyho get back to the mackem board yer deckchair troll. Yer need ip banning yet bedwetter.

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:37
To those who blindly back McDonald

The Juke has replaced McDonald in the team, if McDonald was fit again tomorrow, would you pick him in front of the Juke. You answered No.

My point all season has been that McDonald is not a good enough footballer for MFC and should be replaced with someone who is. You have agreed with this.

Adi_Dem Posted on 15/02/2012 20:37
To those who blindly back McDonald

No I haven't. Neither has FH.

FrozenHorse Posted on 15/02/2012 20:39
To those who blindly back McDonald

"The Juke has replaced McDonald in the team"

Wrong. They started together at Sunderland and Leicester until Mc got injured. Who'se blind now? There goes the last of your credibility![:P]

"if McDonald was fit again tomorrow, would you pick him in front of the Juke"

I'd pick McDOnald ahead of Emnes.

CafeDelMar Posted on 15/02/2012 20:39
To those who blindly back McDonald

TallyHo another chunt fishing for bites [V]
BoroLad this Jawdee troll needs banning NOW!
Get back to COB yer t1t

GGGG Posted on 15/02/2012 20:41
To those who blindly back McDonald

Ill take tallyho to the tesco garage in a minute the dafcun

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:42
To those who blindly back McDonald

GGGG grow up, at least Adi and FH are giving a good argument. You are just sulking around in the background crying for me to be banned; as I said, be a man and answer the question.

Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the Juke, YES or NO???

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:44
To those who blindly back McDonald

And you Cafe

GGGG Posted on 15/02/2012 20:46
To those who blindly back McDonald

Ton thread nailed on [^]

CafeDelMar Posted on 15/02/2012 20:46
To those who blindly back McDonald

TallyHo - come meet me at the match yer feckin keyboard warrior
Block 58, row 22, seat 26

TallyHo Posted on 15/02/2012 20:51
To those who blindly back McDonald

Cafe I respect Adi and FH for their stance and sticking up for McDonald, I bear them no malice and think they are giving me a good run for my money.

You on the other hand can't handle it and have resorted to insults. Sir Sir a big boy doesn't agree with me, can you ban him please. Dear me.

Oh by the way, try answering the question.

Red_Matter Posted on 15/02/2012 20:52
To those who blindly back McDonald

McDonald's a cracking player and I'm so looking forward to seeing him back in the team, playing alongside the other squad players to help the team gain at least a play-off spot. Just hope his injury clears up quickly so that Mowbray can take advantage off all the attributes he offers our team. In the meantime, I have to say that both Frozen Horse and Adi are spot on but they seem to have succumbed to the classic troll wind-up although it's quite funny watching him dig his own hole he's made for himself such that none of us can see his head any more. [:D]

Sitrep Posted on 15/02/2012 20:53
To those who blindly back McDonald

CafeDelMar you need to cut back on the steroids lad[rle]

CafeDelMar Posted on 15/02/2012 20:54
To those who blindly back McDonald

How much was your watch?
I'd pick them both together is my answer TallyHo
Do you have any links for us expats?

halcyon Posted on 15/02/2012 21:56
To those who blindly back McDonald

'I bear them no malice they are giving me a good run for my money'

[:D][B)]

They buried you about 3 hours ago.
R.I.P.

[:o)]

HUMBERRED Posted on 15/02/2012 23:05
To those who blindly back McDonald

good player and I have dined out on his hat trick down here at Hull last season[:D]

Red_Matter Posted on 16/02/2012 03:29
To those who blindly back McDonald

B*U*R*I*E*D (can't see head).

otto62 Posted on 16/02/2012 07:14
To those who blindly back McDonald

I just can't believe that TallyHo thinks a striker is rubbish unless he scores 31 goals in a season. Shows he's a complete idiot.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 16/02/2012 07:18
To those who blindly back McDonald

if juke and main continue to do well, i can see McDonald being sold in the summer.

This is not because he is a bad player, but because of his wage and the money we might make on selling him.

sfcboro Posted on 16/02/2012 07:42
To those who blindly back McDonald

Blindly back MacDonald?

So MacDonald finds his scoring form again, yet he's hopeless and not goood enough for this team. Emnes scores his first goal in a while, after a run of poor games from him and he's the messiah?

I really don't think some of you even watch the games.

TallyHo Posted on 16/02/2012 07:48
To those who blindly back McDonald

Red Matter

How about making a sensible contribution, you could start by answering the question.

Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the Juke?

Simple answer YES or NO.

asredastheycome Posted on 16/02/2012 07:56
To those who blindly back McDonald

Main is not the answer yet. Maybe in the future but not yet. He has showed a bit of promise and thats all.
Whether McDonald comes before/plays alongside Juke is a point of discussion but V certainly comes ahead of main in the pecking order. Or is Tallyho going to defeat that argument by putting up Main's goalscoring stats.

TallyHo Posted on 16/02/2012 08:19
To those who blindly back McDonald

Iíve set my stall out this year, Iíve stated that I donít think McDonalds footballing skills are good enough for MFC, I think his level of ability is on par with players in Div 1 or the SPL. My reasons for this are as follows

He doesnít win balls in the air
He canít hold the ball up
His first touch is poor
He canít get past a defender
He rarely brings other players into the attack
His passing is poor
His chance to goal conversion rate is very poor
He rarely gets a shot on target
Defenders have an easy time when he is in the team

On the plus side he always works hard and gives 100%

As for scoring goals, that all depends on opportunity. You could have the best striker in the world but if he doesnít get many opportunities he wonít score many goals. That said, good strikers will create opportunities. From watching McDonald this season I think he has had enough opportunities to have scored around 20 goals up to now. This doesnít mean that I think he should be scoring 35 goals in a season as he may not be presented with enough opportunities to do that.

These are my reasons for why I think he should be replaced.

We have signed the Juke and Main has showed us in a very short time that he has the potential to be an excellent striker; I would pick them both ahead of McDonald.

I have asked a simple question and up to now have had 1 YES or NO answer from Adi, for those who come on and mock without making a sensible contribution please answer the question.

Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the Juke, Yes or NO.?

Liamo Posted on 16/02/2012 08:39
To those who blindly back McDonald

'Would you pick McDonald IN FRONT OF the Juke?'

Tallyho, your question represents a classic example of a logical fallacy.

In this case, the fallacy you are presenting is known as a false alternative, or a false dichotomy.

Here is the definition of it:

'False Alternative
(also known as False Dichotomy)

Assuming that only one alternative exists in a given situation, when in fact, other and usually more fundamental alternatives also exist.'

Since your question is logically invalid and based on a false premise, there is no onus on anyone to answer it.

skiprat Posted on 16/02/2012 08:50
To those who blindly back McDonald

I'm not quite McDonalds biggest fan but we do miss him.

He would get picked ahead of Emnes every single game for me, Juke and McDonLd would be my top two. To suggest we play Main ahead of him is ridiculous, despite Mains obvious attributes there is nothing to suggest he can even play well consistently at this level yet.

However, I do think McDonald is replaceable, last time I looked as part of a thread on here a couple of weeks ago he was only just in the top 20 goalscorers for this division (in all competitions) which I don't believe is good enough.

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 16/02/2012 09:07
To those who blindly back McDonald

Macdonald is infuriating to watch at times, like most of our players but he does work hard and he does score goals at this level. The squad would be weaker without him in it.

Jdub Posted on 16/02/2012 09:23
To those who blindly back McDonald

Macdonald is more of a threat than emnes ,end of because I said so ,so all them who think otherwise shutup!

stepanovs Posted on 16/02/2012 09:35
To those who blindly back McDonald

He's our best striker

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 09:38
To those who blindly back McDonald

Don't confuse him Liam! That is clear to everyone, probably even Tallyho. He is now using the question as an avoidance tactic because the fundamental flaws and inherent prejudice has been shown up. Put simply, there is literally nothing McDonald can do to change his entrenched view. Criticised for not winning balls in the air? Not good at bringing others into the attack when stats prove otherwise.

Out of interest Tally, what are McDonald's stats for pass completion, balls won in the air, assists, chance to goal conversion, shots on and off target etc etc? I'd hate to think you were simply guessing on these relatively objective standards to defend an engrained view.

TallyHo Posted on 16/02/2012 10:28
To those who blindly back McDonald

Liam I've made the question as simple as possible, try answering it.

YES or NO???

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 11:31
To those who blindly back McDonald

You've been asked some simple questions too Tally.

TallyHo Posted on 16/02/2012 12:09
To those who blindly back McDonald

Adi

All I've said is that I don't think McDonald's level of footballing skill is good enough for MFC. I have always maintained that I can't fault is attitude, commitment and work rate; in fact I would love to see his footballing skills improve. So I don't see where you get this inherent prejudice notion.

I made a statement earlier explaining why I think we should replace him. Also note that I have never mentioned how much money he is on.

Which simple questions are you referring to that I haven't answered?

As for my simple question, in over 100 posts you are the only one to answer it with a Yes or No. Everyone else is shying away from it.

sasboro1 Posted on 16/02/2012 12:14
To those who blindly back McDonald

"All I've said is that I don't think McDonald's level of footballing skill is good enough for MFC"

we arnt in the premier league anymore you know.

the arnt many prolific strikers in the championship you know. i mean west ham dont have any players who have scored as many as mcdonald this season

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 12:19
To those who blindly back McDonald

I know what you've said. The problem is twofold. Firstly, your question is pointless and doesn't prove what you are pretending it does. Secondly, your inherent prejudice is evident in your point blank refusal to consider an alternative opinion and the impossible standards McDonald has to achieve to even get you to consider changing your view.

The_263 Posted on 16/02/2012 13:49
To those who blindly back McDonald

Adi, don't take this the wrong way but every time I come on here there is a heated debate on a very long thread between you and another poster on some trivial subject like this. My understanding is that you have a wife, kid(s) and a number of businesses so I am amazed you can find the time to respond in detail morning day and night. When do you find time to give your family any attention? Seriously mate - fair enough if you're stirring up hits on this site as you have some sort of vested interest in its commercial performance or you are Walter Mittying a persona on here - you should really think about easing up a touch and focus your attentions on other more important matters in life. Is it such a big deal if someone thinks McDonald is not pulling up trees? He clearly isn't but equally not sufficiently bad to be called sh ite.

Ease up ffs!!

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 16/02/2012 13:53
To those who blindly back McDonald

If McDonald developed a ruthless streak in front of goal and took some of the 'easier' chances he's missed this season then he'd be a very good player indeed. Then again, if McDonald developed a ruthless streak in front of goal and took some of the 'easier' chances he's missed this season then he probably wouldn't be playing for Boro.

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 13:55
To those who blindly back McDonald

Quite what it's got to do with you what I do with my time is anyone's guess. This a public forum for football debate on which a thread has been opened and specifically mentions me. I've contributed probably 10% to this thread and would doubt I'm anywhere near the most prolific poster.

Thanks for the concern but I'm perfectly relaxed and am managing both my personal and business life very well and no one and nothing suffers as a result of posts on here that are light relief and take me no more than a minute to write.

Do you follow me in real life as well as this cyber world?

The_263 Posted on 16/02/2012 14:00
To those who blindly back McDonald

Oops .. clearly taken the wrong way

gravy173 Posted on 16/02/2012 14:06
To those who blindly back McDonald

personally id rather have jukebox and mcdonald up front, emnes on the wing and main to bring on for the last half hour if needed. ogbeche can do one

sasboro1 Posted on 16/02/2012 14:08
To those who blindly back McDonald

i expect mcdonald might have to be sold in the summer and then some will get their wish. then one less person who can score goals. if robson leaves too then that leave the juke on his own to score goals

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 14:25
To those who blindly back McDonald

Nope, taken as written. Reference to my work, my family and me being a Walter Mitty character. Perfectly calm, no problem here, just giving you my response.

The_263 Posted on 16/02/2012 14:57
To those who blindly back McDonald

Fair enough, well if it doesn't impact on your home life and health by all means continue to split hairs and argue semantics to ad nauseam.

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 14:59
To those who blindly back McDonald

Rich coming from 263 who was so adamant he was right on the Adele thread.

Its a message board. We are allowed opinions. If you dont like it , dont read it. Its not rocket science.

The_263 Posted on 16/02/2012 15:03
To those who blindly back McDonald

No .. I am now convinced that Adele is sh ite after reading the compelling case for the prosecution on here.

rob_fmttm Posted on 16/02/2012 15:05
To those who blindly back McDonald

Bit too personal The_263 if you don't mind. With reference to Adi.

halcyon Posted on 16/02/2012 15:06
To those who blindly back McDonald

No problem. It's an opinion, 263. Doesn't make it right to those who think differently.

The fact that some posters write FACT after voicing their sixpennorth does not make it so either.

The_263 Posted on 16/02/2012 15:19
To those who blindly back McDonald

Rob I wasn't having a dig at all - the persona that goes by Adi just appears to be embroiled in very heated debates on a continual basis which cannot be healthy. Besides not sure how it can be personal if it is an anonymous message board.

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 15:27
To those who blindly back McDonald

Of course it was personal. Also as a member of this forum for many, many years I can safely say that heated debate is exactly what it's for. As for this splitting hairs ad nauseum nonsense well I would just say that it's simply debate, rudimentary, challenging debate. There is nothing on this thread about semantics.

I suggest if you don't like my posting style then you stop reading but it really is your problem, not mine.

And now it's not healthy? What isn't? Offering opinion is all it is. Deary me I think you need to get a grip.

skiprat Posted on 16/02/2012 15:31
To those who blindly back McDonald

Wtf has it got to do with anyone how someone spends their time on this site?

Vasily_Rats Posted on 16/02/2012 15:36
To those who blindly back McDonald


See what you've caused Mr Tally-Bally-Ho ?

I hope you're satisfied you mischief-maker you.

[;)]
[8]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 16/02/2012 15:43
To those who blindly back McDonald

263 you forgot to mention that adi also has to look over the boro accounts daily [^]

how he has the time for this as well m'lord i havent the foggiest

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 15:52
To those who blindly back McDonald

It's called an education Raz. Now pipe down, grown ups are talking.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 16/02/2012 15:55
To those who blindly back McDonald

its classic adi [^] he is officially the boro accountant an education got him that job [^]

where are the grown ups?

hopesoboro Posted on 16/02/2012 16:06
To those who blindly back McDonald

asredastheycome
Bit pessimistic. Macdonalds out for yonks so lets hope Main is the answer - looking promising. It would be great if they had to battle each other for a place - the more the merrier

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 16:39
To those who blindly back McDonald

Raz, you need neither a lot of time nor to be an accountant to either access or understand MFC's published accounts. Your juvenile responses to me simply reading a set of accounts says more about you than me.

mikehunt Posted on 16/02/2012 17:12
To those who blindly back McDonald

Adi - your opinion is no more or less valid than anybody else'.
Just wish you didnt have to keep giving the same one over and over again on a thread.
Self edit a bit.
I dont believe you have never had that feedback before.

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 18:00
To those who blindly back McDonald

If you could point to any post on any thread in which I've claimed my opinion was better than anyone else's then you'd have a point. The reality, however, is very different. I've admitted countless times that I've been wrong and never see anyone else's opinion as less valid than my own. Take this thread as an example. I've said on this very thread that all I am offering is a subjective view. However, what I have done is challenge and test the opposite view and ask for it to be backed up and justified. Not an unreasonable request in my view.

TallyHo Posted on 16/02/2012 18:02
To those who blindly back McDonald

FAO ROB_FMTTM after 263 posts saying that Adi spends too much time on here you were very quick to write.

"Bit too personal The_263 if you don't mind. With reference to Adi."

I post that I don't think McDonald's footballing ability is good enough for MFC and because of this I have received numerous posts of abuse including the following: being called a Chunt, Troll, ar5ehole, TallyHo is the new board vvanker, barcode troll, bedwetter, t1t, come meet me at the match yer feckin keyboard warrior, he's a complete idiot, TallyHo another chunt fishing for bites, Ill take tallyho to the tesco garage in a minute the dafcun.

By not commenting on this you obviously think the vile abuse and threats of violence I have received are acceptable.

Would you agree with me that there is a clear case of double standard being applied here?

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 18:13
To those who blindly back McDonald

Oh and if you could point me to where I've repeated my opinion on here where it would require self editing I'd also be grateful. Threads develop and response is required.

If anyone has a problem with what I say either ignore it or shut up about it. Either way is fine by me.

Liamo Posted on 16/02/2012 19:12
To those who blindly back McDonald

Tallyho, you really haven't grasped the concept of a logical fallacy in general, or of a false alternative in particular, have you?

In general terms, if a question or argument in a reasoned debate is shown to be a logical fallacy, then the rules of debate hold that the question is removed from the debate and is no longer worthy of consideration.

Posing a false alternative in particular means that the question is based on the presupposition of a false set of circumstances which renders the question itself invalid. The proper response to such a question therefore, is not to answer it directly, but to reject the question.

mikehunt Posted on 16/02/2012 19:21
To those who blindly back McDonald

Adi for God's sake I make it clear that your opinion is no more or less valid and I dont say whether you think it is or not.
Its just you go on and on like an old wifey that's my only point

Adi_Dem Posted on 16/02/2012 19:55
To those who blindly back McDonald

So you telling me that my opinion was no more valid than any other was just you giving me the benefit of your wisdom? You weren't implying in any way that I consider my view to be more important than that of others? Erm, ok then.

So we are left with your only point being that I "go on like a wifey". Well, thanks for that. What a wholly worthwhile contribution. I'm sure everyone is much better off for that, enlightened even.

GGGG Posted on 16/02/2012 20:50
To those who blindly back McDonald

"I post that I don't think McDonald's footballing ability is good enough for MFC and because of this I have received numerous posts of abuse including the following: being called a Chunt, Troll, ar5ehole, TallyHo is the new board vvanker, barcode troll, bedwetter, t1t, come meet me at the match yer feckin keyboard warrior, he's a complete idiot, TallyHo another chunt fishing for bites, Ill take tallyho to the tesco garage in a minute the dafcun."

Who is the one running to Rob now Tallyho. What was it you typed?? Ooh sir sir the big biys picking in me.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 16/02/2012 20:59
To those who blindly back McDonald

I think the standard of posts and posters on this board seems to be degenerating with time.

There are (thankfully) a decent handful of posters who are willing to have a debate, talk sense and try to have a bit of respect for others who post.

Unfortunately that sensible minority seem to be now outnumbered by those who are more bothered about posting abuse and insults than light hearted debate.

borobadge Posted on 16/02/2012 20:59
To those who blindly back McDonald

to me thats what being a Boro fan is all about...for 'blindly' i have PARTIZAN...

theyre my team and i'm SUPPORTING THEM, couldnt really give a monkeys toss wether theyre any good or not...go to the game and support the players and the team...save your angst and stoopidity for the ale house and the bathroom...

last week i was with a bournemouth fan, he reminded me that Mcdonald played for the cherries and O'driscoll had him on the bench most of the time....

U.T.B.

18MFC76 Posted on 16/02/2012 21:13
To those who blindly back McDonald

To answer TallyHo's question, Jutkiewicz or McDonald. It has to be McDonald for me however I agree that they would work well as a pair. They both offer something different. It would be a bit like the Quinn and Phillips partnership. Jutkiewicz wins his fair share of headers and McDonald makes intelligient runs and works his socks off. Look forward to seeing the two of them play together.


Link:

Sitrep Posted on 16/02/2012 21:17
To those who blindly back McDonald

Well said jonny. Yer twart.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 16/02/2012 21:19
To those who blindly back McDonald

No problem strep.

Ya cooont! [:D][^]

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 21:40
To those who blindly back McDonald

McDonald will be a distant memory by the end of the season and rightly so

Sitrep Posted on 21/02/2012 21:43
To those who blindly back McDonald

Young Curtis will show him up for what he is, an imposter. [:D][:D]

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/02/2012 21:44
To those who blindly back McDonald

You're getting boring and predictable now. If you want to believe that a couple of games in which the other strikers have scored has proven that McDonald isn't a good player for us then fair enough.

Me, I will just enjoy the win. It's great to have a group of strikers that all offer something.

bill_door Posted on 21/02/2012 21:49
To those who blindly back McDonald

TallyHo - two from Marvin, one from Main.

Where does that leave Juke now?[;)]

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 21:51
To those who blindly back McDonald

I'm enjoying the win and enjoying the fact that McDonald is out for the rest of the season[^][cr][cr][cr]




Adi_Dem Posted on 21/02/2012 21:53
To those who blindly back McDonald

Well done. You enjoy our top scorer having a relatively serious injury. That says more than I ever could.

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 21:55
To those who blindly back McDonald

Bill it's not all about scoring goals for players who are able to contribute in other ways, which the Juke does.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/02/2012 21:57
To those who blindly back McDonald

Good job it's not ll about scoring goals. Very lucky.

FrozenHorse Posted on 21/02/2012 21:57
To those who blindly back McDonald

To be fair, McDonald scored in a victory at The Den last seaason and would undoubtedly have done so again tonight if he weren't injured.

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 22:06
To those who blindly back McDonald

Jesus, you sound like deluded Jawdees. Grow some balls and admit you were wrong to think he can play football

FrozenHorse Posted on 21/02/2012 22:12
To those who blindly back McDonald

"Bill it's not all about scoring goals for players who are able to contribute in other ways"

McDonald's still our top assist provider this season (equal).[^]

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 22:15
To those who blindly back McDonald

Aye and the Jawdees are the best fans of the biggest team in the world

FrozenHorse Posted on 21/02/2012 22:18
To those who blindly back McDonald

"the Jawdees are the best fans of the biggest team in the world"

But that's not true is it? Not like McDonald providing as many assists as anyone else in our squad...

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 22:22
To those who blindly back McDonald

If you say it often enough you start to believe it. What will it take to make you realise he's the reason why our goal difference is so poor.

Dynamo Posted on 21/02/2012 22:30
To those who blindly back McDonald

> enjoying the fact that McDonald is out for the rest of the season[^]

That is the most scumbag comment I've read by any Boro fan on this site. [:o)]

FrozenHorse Posted on 21/02/2012 22:32
To those who blindly back McDonald

"he's the reason why our goal difference is so poor"

and a major reason our points tally is so good. I know which is more important.[;)]

Can you tell me in which season Boro last had a positive goal difference? On what basis are you calling it poor anyway?

"Bill it's not all about scoring goals"

He's a striker. Of course it is. Seems a rather backhanded, curmudgeonly way of acknowledging that he scores a decent number of goals...

GGGG Posted on 21/02/2012 22:36
To those who blindly back McDonald

You pi55ed the bed tallyho

Sitrep Posted on 21/02/2012 22:39
To those who blindly back McDonald

He doesn't score enough goals for the chances given to him. Simples.


TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 22:41
To those who blindly back McDonald

dynamo cheers for the compliment[^]

FrozenHorse Posted on 21/02/2012 22:42
To those who blindly back McDonald

"He doesn't score enough goals for the chances given to him"

I'd like to see his finishing improve.

However, I'd dispute your use of the word "given". McDonald makes chances for himself through his movement, positioning, anticipation and reading of the game.

None of our other strikers are as good as him at these. They would never even get the chances McDonald does, let alone take any of them.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/02/2012 22:43
To those who blindly back McDonald

He scores 1 in 3. Please tell me what you expect.

Oh, and Mowbray has said, and I quote, McDnald is one of the reasons for our good season so far.

Of he's good enough for Mogga, our top scorer and goal provider, that's enough for me to be confident that my view of him isn't far off the mark.

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 22:43
To those who blindly back McDonald

Here comes gggg to make juvenile comments

Dynamo Posted on 21/02/2012 22:49
To those who blindly back McDonald

> dynamo cheers for the compliment[^]

I'm glad your proud of being called a clown because it fits. It makes me laugh that your quick to label people on here as Geordie fans just because they take a contrary opinion to yourself, yet your happy for a Boro player to sustain a serious injury. Pathetic. [sad]

Sitrep Posted on 21/02/2012 22:51
To those who blindly back McDonald

Adi I have it on good authority that Mowbray thinks the exact opposite. Poor value for money. If they could get someone daft enough to take him off our hands, he'd be gone.

CafeDelMar Posted on 21/02/2012 22:54
To those who blindly back McDonald

You been drinking on an empty head again TallyHo yer [:o)]

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 22:55
To those who blindly back McDonald

Calm down dynamo you might blow a fuse.I wouldn't wish an injury on a player however once it happened it meant he had to be replaced which is what I've been wanting all season.

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/02/2012 22:56
To those who blindly back McDonald

Hmmmmm. Picks him most games, says in the press how highly he rates him but you're relying on your 'good authority'.

Fair enough.

Dynamo Posted on 21/02/2012 23:00
To those who blindly back McDonald

Your happy that one of our players got a serious injury and your happy to be called a clown, and now you need to accuse me of being close to blowing a fuse to try to make yourself look clever. If I was you, I'd admit that the guy who said you'd been drinking on an empty head was right to save yourself from further embarrassment. [:D]

offside-again Posted on 21/02/2012 23:01
To those who blindly back McDonald

Right ok you don't rate him, you never have, you never will, even - and I wanna make this perfectly clear...even if he gets 35 goals in a season.[;)]

QED. [:D]

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 23:02
To those who blindly back McDonald

Hey up, the cavalry have arrived.
Cafe are you going to make a sensible contribution for once or just come out with juvenile crap as usual?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 21/02/2012 23:04
To those who blindly back McDonald

I think what sitrep is saying is that SM has delivered poor value for money, which is undeniable, but not to say he isn't more than good enough for this level.

halcyon Posted on 21/02/2012 23:05
To those who blindly back McDonald

Tally Ho.

You haven't got a clue about football.

I hope you are young because you may yet learn how to rate players.

You haven't got a clue at the moment however.






Dynamo Posted on 21/02/2012 23:05
To those who blindly back McDonald

> Cafe are you going to make a sensible contribution for once or just come out with juvenile crap as usual?

Are you saying that your the only person here who is allowed to do the juvenile crap? If you don't like it, you shouldn't deal it. [:o)]

Dibzzz Posted on 21/02/2012 23:09
To those who blindly back McDonald

Squad player now.

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 23:10
To those who blindly back McDonald

Offside I've said all along that I think his work rate and attitude is first rate, I've also said that I hope he comes good and if he did I'd be straight on here to admit I was wrong

Adi_Dem Posted on 21/02/2012 23:13
To those who blindly back McDonald

That's the problem. What you want him to do to "come good" isn't achievable and sets the bar far higher than it is in respect of any other member of the squad. That's why you get the accusations you do. You don't adopt a balanced or fair approach.

offside-again Posted on 21/02/2012 23:20
To those who blindly back McDonald

But he HAS come good. Not 3.5m good but bloody close. His wages if the rumours are true are pretty silly, but that is not his fault lol.

My only problem with him is he misses just that few too many sitters. That said he makes up for it by how hard he works, also you're forgetting he is quite versatile and can play that deeper role. I like Main, he is strong with an eye for goal, but he is also pretty raw, so for now for his experience and his ability to play a few roles I'd have him in the team ahead of Main. I do think Mogga would sell if he could, but that would be purely for the wage bill, not because he doesn't rate him.

StanleySmiith Posted on 21/02/2012 23:26
To those who blindly back McDonald

When fit McDonald will start up front with Jukebox and Main and Emnes will be impact players off the bench. End of.

Dynamo Posted on 21/02/2012 23:26
To those who blindly back McDonald

The title of this thread is a misnomer anyway. Its not the people who back McDonald who are the visually impared ones, its those who prefer to slag him off. It seems to me that far more people defend the guy than attack him, and all the clowns can do is bleat that they are being attacked by the cavalry when they do. [rle]

Most people who I hear slag him off at matches don't even know he's an Aussie. Shows how much they know. [:D]

UAUA Posted on 21/02/2012 23:28
To those who blindly back McDonald

The bottom line is that he simply is not being missed whatsoever.

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 23:32
To those who blindly back McDonald

HE'S AN AUSSIE???

TallyHo Posted on 21/02/2012 23:43
To those who blindly back McDonald

Dynamo just because I think his footballing skills are not good enough for our team doesn't mean I'm slagging him off. As I've started over and over again I think his work rate and attitude are first rate. I just wanted him to be replaced by a better player.

Adi_Dem Posted on 22/02/2012 07:08
To those who blindly back McDonald

Neither has Bailey for the last two games. Presumably that proves he's not good enough?

UAUA Posted on 22/02/2012 07:29
To those who blindly back McDonald

No. That was not what I said.

All I said was that he is not being missed whatsoever, which he isn't. We are seeing what others can do. Simple statement exactly what I said all along. No more, no less.

ChristsChin Posted on 22/02/2012 07:51
To those who blindly back McDonald

I'll answer your question TallyHo. Yes. Now a simple question for you - would you pick Juke ahead of Steele? Yes or No?

Adi_Dem Posted on 22/02/2012 08:23
To those who blindly back McDonald

The thread is about whether McDonald is good enough. You have posted that you don't believe we have missed him (which I disagree with anyway) and the implication is that you're using that to support your long held view that he isn't good enough.

My counter argument is that you cannot conclude that we are missing him or that he isn't good enough on the basis of two games.

The reaction, gleeful as it is, from a few posters that because we have won a couple of games it somehow proves them right all along is nothing short of ridiculous.

Dynamo Posted on 22/02/2012 08:39
To those who blindly back McDonald

To be honest, Im amazed at how we managed to be second in the league at one point seeing as the team were carrying such an awful passenger for so long and were playing effectively with just ten men. [rle]

GGGG Posted on 22/02/2012 09:37
To those who blindly back McDonald

Do you respect a Frozenhorse Tallyho?
Be a man and answer the question!!

UAUA Posted on 22/02/2012 09:45
To those who blindly back McDonald

Just because the thread was initially about whether he is good enough does not mean that I was saying that. Dont put words in my mouth or alter what im saying or talk about any other implications you perceive to be there in order to alter the argument im putting forward.

I have stated twice on this thread that we arent missing him - and we arent. That is the ONLY thing im talking about. We are scoring goals and winning. Im certainly not missing him and our goals for column is now improving nicely.

Adi_Dem Posted on 22/02/2012 09:59
To those who blindly back McDonald

I'm not altering anything. Given the nature of the thread and your previous views on the subject it seemed reasonable to me to suggest that because you posted that you weren't missing him, you were using that to support your generally held view that he isn't good enough. If that's not right then fair enough, I got it wrong.

To be clear, you're now not saying that he isn't good enough for us?

UAUA Posted on 22/02/2012 11:49
To those who blindly back McDonald

Sorry, cant be @rsed with a long winded and tedious argument. Just suffice to reiterate (again) that im not missing him, Boro arent missing him and its refreshing to see young strikers come in and start to do the business. Its been a long time since that happened at Boro.

Well done Juke and Main - keep it up.

CafeDelMar Posted on 22/02/2012 12:07
To those who blindly back McDonald

Double ton thread, nailed on [^]
TallyHo - do you wanna bone FrozenHorse?

GGGG Posted on 22/02/2012 15:34
To those who blindly back McDonald

Tallyho do an FAO for Rob and get us banned yer chunt

Adi_Dem Posted on 22/02/2012 15:42
To those who blindly back McDonald

I thought it was a simple enough question. There's no argument from me. I'm simply trying to clear up what you're actually saying.

UAUA Posted on 22/02/2012 15:50
To those who blindly back McDonald

"I'm simply trying to clear up what you're actually saying"

No youre not - as its clear and obvious.

I am saying that we arent missing Scott Mac.

Simple and concise.

What you are clearly doing is to expand the topic or take it into a different dimension - which is not what I am going to do.

I hope thats "clear" then.

I am saying "we are not missing Scott Mac".

If you chose to "do a Raz" and go on about it further feel free to do so - by yourself. Cheers.

Adi_Dem Posted on 22/02/2012 16:20
To those who blindly back McDonald

I don't understand why you're getting angry about it. I am asking a genuine question, whether you take it that way or not is up to you.

In response to you saying that we're not missing McDonald, I've responded. I think it's too early, i.e. a few games, to be able to say that conclusively.

You're original post said "The bottom line is that he simply is not being missed whatsoever."

Somewhat reasonably in my view, since that post came on the back of a number of posts discussing the merits of the player seemed to be offering evidence to support your overall view that McDonald isn't good enough. I asked if that was the case and you accused me of putting words into your mouth.

No big deal.

Sitrep Posted on 22/02/2012 17:09
To those who blindly back McDonald

you're pishing against the wind now Adi[smi]

Adi_Dem Posted on 22/02/2012 17:13
To those who blindly back McDonald

Always do it seems sitrep!!


Red_Matter Posted on 22/02/2012 17:34
To those who blindly back McDonald

Anyhow, back to the point. Are we missing Scotty right now? I'd argue, quite reasonably that whether the tissue box or our favourite puppy wasn't there for us, we'd be lost.

CafeDelMar Posted on 22/02/2012 18:13
To those who blindly back McDonald

Hoof
Double post, FACT
Ban the barcode trolls
End of thread

TallyHo Posted on 22/02/2012 18:38
To those who blindly back McDonald

The sniping Cafe hiding behind the big boys chipping in now and then with silly comments, you really are making yourself look foolish

Vasily_Rats Posted on 23/02/2012 13:39
To those who blindly back McDonald


Double Ton well deserved.




joseph99 Posted on 23/02/2012 15:13
To those who blindly back McDonald

We've desperately missed his ball retention skills since his injury.

TallyHo Posted on 23/02/2012 20:51
To those who blindly back McDonald

"We've desperately missed his ball retention skills since his injury."

Really?

TallyHo Posted on 25/02/2012 00:46
To those who blindly back McDonald

We have a difficult game today, we will need to be at our best to get a result.

Simple question:

Will McDonald be missed, Yes or No?


It's a big fat NO from me.

Dynamo Posted on 25/02/2012 01:28
To those who blindly back McDonald

We have a difficult game today, we will need to be at our best to get a result.

Simple question:

Will McDonald be missed, Yes or No?


It's a big fat NO from me.


Give yourself a great big slap on the back then. Well done.

Personally I think he could still do a very good job for us. I was gonna say I was sorry if that upsets you, but quite frankly, I'm not.

TallyHo Posted on 25/02/2012 07:54
To those who blindly back McDonald

Why the animosity?

All I asked was if you thought he will be missed for one of our biggest games of the season.

Personally I don't think he will but if you disagree why would that bother me?

From your reply I'm assuming you think he will be missed.

George1507 Posted on 25/02/2012 08:53
To those who blindly back McDonald

Who knows whether we are missing him or not.

What is safe to say is that if we are in the play offs, McDonald shouldn't play in them because the team must have done pretty well without him. Don't change a winning team.

And if we aren't in the play offs, then either we'll have been promoted - in which case we didn't miss him, or we will have missed out - in which case perhaps we did miss him.

Wait and see.

Adi_Dem Posted on 25/02/2012 09:29
To those who blindly back McDonald

He will be missed and, for me, has been missed.

Dynamo Posted on 25/02/2012 10:26
To those who blindly back McDonald

We are doing quite well without Bailey in the team. Does that mean we shouldn't bring him back either?

TallyHo Posted on 25/02/2012 10:43
To those who blindly back McDonald

Definitely not, Bailey should go straight back in as he's been our best player this season. The same can't be said of McDonald.

kermit Posted on 25/02/2012 10:45
To those who blindly back McDonald

Not in any way dismissing our 2 recent wins, but without Bailey we've lost more points than we've won.

If he's fully fit, he'd be one of the first on the team sheet.

Dynamo Posted on 25/02/2012 10:49
To those who blindly back McDonald

I don't think Bailey is in the squad for today despite being fit.

FrozenHorse Posted on 25/02/2012 11:00
To those who blindly back McDonald

"Bailey should go straight back in as he's been our best player this season. The same can't be said of McDonald"

Well it can't be said of anyone esle if Bailey's been the best player now can it?[?]

It can rightly be said that when he got injured, McDonald had scored more goals than anyone else and that no one had made more assists for us than him. If you doubt this you can look it up yourself or bury your head in the sand.

This argument seems to come down to facts v opinions.

Those who look at facts support McDonald, those who favour ignorant opinion over facts detract from him.

Adi_Dem Posted on 25/02/2012 11:33
To those who blindly back McDonald

We are and will continue to miss McDonald.

Adi_Dem Posted on 25/02/2012 11:41
To those who blindly back McDonald

Spot on Frozen Horse. In fact, what some do and there are two main culprits for this, is argue that although he had scored more goals and created more goals than any other player he should have done a lot better and has missed chances that the other strikers in our squad and around the division would have found easy.

It's quite the fantastic tale if you think about it, all to justify the entrenched view.

TallyHo Posted on 28/02/2012 23:12
To those who blindly back McDonald

Our goals for tally it's very poor, if McDonald had been as good as you make out we would have scored a similar amount of goals as the teams around us

GGGG Posted on 08/04/2012 22:44
To those who blindly back McDonald

Oy Tallyho yer chunt, could do with Maccy D now dont you think [:D]...[;)]..[^]..[B)]..[ref]