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Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:49
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Pointless harping on about our 8 academy players cos by the time they reach fruition we flog them to other clubs for them to reap the real benefits. So as a team we never reach our true potential, 8 kids in the team is far too many to achieve any success. Crewe Alexandra had a fantastic Academy, ask Higgy.

mattyk50 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:50
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2/10

Bandy Posted on 09/02/2012 12:51
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we didnt have a choice last night tho and it wont happen on a regular basis but at least we know we have half decent players waiting in the wings and it's the correct way to do things

tricky1992000 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:51
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troll

John67 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:52
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Lisbon: What's up fella? Lack of sleep?

fuchs Posted on 09/02/2012 12:53
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Without the academy sales we would have no club.

I think you have lost the plot completely Lisbon.

Go and have a lie down.

Scudo Posted on 09/02/2012 12:53
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Ask Higgy! Crewe sold him![:D]

rob_fmttm Posted on 09/02/2012 12:54
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When you have a bad day sometimes it is best just to give up. Try again tomorrow.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 12:55
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Just ban the trolling chunt Rob.

PP ... x

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:55
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In what way is it trolling, it's a FACT. Bates and Williams will be off at the end of the season just when they are doing well. Look at Downing, Cattermole, Johnson, Morrison, Turnbull, Jones, etc. Everyone is going way over the top about the stat that we ended up with 8 academy players. I'd rather have had none if it meant we won the game.

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:57
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2nd 100 post thread of the day for LL coming up.....can he make it a hat-trick.[:P]

Bandy Posted on 09/02/2012 12:57
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ahh right. What evidence is there that we would have won the game with non academy players? You are having a mare today! Make a brew and chill out

Muttley Posted on 09/02/2012 12:58
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Om nom nom nom nom nom nomnom nomnom nomnom nomnomnom nomnomnom nomnomnom nomnomnomnom nomnomnomnom nomnomnomnom nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom...

arnold_judas_rimmer Posted on 09/02/2012 12:59
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What's the "myth"?

tricky1992000 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:00
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"Look at Downing, Cattermole, Johnson, Morrison, Turnbull, Jones"

look at how some of them were sold, post relegation, we had no choice, we were offered money and they wanted to play a higher class of football. We should never have sold Cattermole though.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:00
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Missing my point Bandy, it's not a criticism that they were on the field. The Academy, without doubt will generate revenue for the club but it won't create a successful football team so having 8 academy players in is more of a weakness than a strength unless you have a massive pool of immensely talented graduates, which we don't.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:02
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The myth is that it's a fantastically wonderful thing that will create a footballing nirvana with Boro tattooed on its backside.

tricky1992000 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:02
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"so having 8 academy players in is more of a weakness than a strength"

are you Alan Hansen in disguise?




Link: "you will never win anything with kids"

Muttley Posted on 09/02/2012 13:04
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So it would be better if we didn't bother because they'll al leave anyway?

Perfectly logical that dumbass.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:04
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Maybe Alan Hansen has a point.

Powlay Posted on 09/02/2012 13:05
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The academy isnt there to create a successful team though is it?

Surely its there to bring players on who will benefit the coub through playing for the first team, strengthen it in depth and also bring in money through sales.

And it seems to gets ticks in each one of those doesnt it?

The reason we had 8 academy products on the field was injuries, Smallwood and Reach wouldnt have been on if everyone was fit.




Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 09/02/2012 13:05
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Great OP [8)]

mattyk50 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:06
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"So it would be better if we didn't bother because they'll all leave anyway?

Perfectly logical that dumbass."

[cr][^]

red_shamrock Posted on 09/02/2012 13:06
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His days of coming back here on a regular basis will now be numbered,an occasional treat.
It will be all about kids houses and beating the joneses..oh and work[:D]

FrozenHorse Posted on 09/02/2012 13:06
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Surely having young players to sell is better than not having any young players at all?

pjonesy Posted on 09/02/2012 13:06
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I wasn't aware of the stright choice of 'win or 8 academy players'. You're right, should have taken the win.

If we didn't have a relatively successful youth academy; fnancially how would we have stayed afloat? And who would we play now?

Also, Bates and Williams still play for us.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:07
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No Muttley because as I stated earlier it will generate income to help improve the team. Young players are inexperienced and gain their experience by making mistakes. If they're all making their mistakes in our first team then that's not a good thing. You can take maybe 3 young players and get away with it. The only way it would work with 8 is if we could hold on to them, which we can't.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 09/02/2012 13:07
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ya cant win anything with them there kids! [;)]

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 13:10
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'Missing my point Bandy, it's not a criticism that they were on the field. The Academy, without doubt will generate revenue for the club but it won't create a successful football team so having 8 academy players in is more of a weakness than a strength unless you have a massive pool of immensely talented graduates, which we don't'

Without the acadamy, we wouldn't be able to put a team out last night. Without the acadamy, we would have probably been turning out in the Northern League next season because of the money generated with sales.

The acadamy has and is continued to produce players of a good enough standard for this league. We have also produced players who, in other circumstances could have formed the backbone of a 'successful' premiership team (Successful in that we'd still be there).

Unfortuantely, be it through timing, or other issues such as the money we were spending previously AND the fickle nature of our fans - Including YOU, Stewart Downing is not as good as the bloke who wants 60k a week and has an U21 cap for France, because he was born in Pally Park, doesn't have a fancy name, and more importantly doesn't cost us 10 million quid.

Without the acadamy we simply would not have a football club, and we should be immensely proud of the likes of Downing, Johnson, Morrison and Wheater. I know I am, and even more so when I was stood next to Wheater with the fans at the stadium of light.

To say that the acadamy will never make a successful team is bordering on insane - a full 11 maybe not, but there is no reason that in 3 or 4 years time that 4, 5 maybe 6 of those players we seen last night, could be forming the backbone of a successful premiership team.

I know I'd much prefer them than the mercenaries who have no affiliation to the club, the area and the people.

You need to get off the bottle and back on the breast.

PP ... x

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:11
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LL just stay at home reading about my team & occassionally watch them on the box, you're posts are nothing short of continual digs at my football club, you have no emotion or passion for the club at all, always posting anything negative about us, just stick to getting the best players you can muster then playing them against teams of limited ability chalking up 13 nil scorelines, the ONLY connection between you & the Boro is the simple fact you have Boro in your sunday pub league team

red_shamrock Posted on 09/02/2012 13:17
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I always thought ABSENCE MAKES THE HEART GROW FONDER[:D]

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 13:17
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'Young players are inexperienced and gain their experience by making mistakes'

That's why we send them on loan.

Funny, it was a far cry from this when you were licking Richie Smallwoods and Cameron Parks arses on twitter just so you could get their phone numbers. Even more cringeworthy when you found out that Buzza was Richie Smallwoods best mate, so started buddying up with him too. You're a fraud.

PP ... x

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:20
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My point is criticising the eulogising of having 8 academy players in the team, not criticising the academy itself. Powlay is bang on, it's all about the balance of producing first team players and generating revenue.

fuchs Posted on 09/02/2012 13:22
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LL; You are just embarrassing yourself today.

Powlay is quite clearly the expert on this subject and has it spot on.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:23
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Well whatever it is I'll keep on supporting my home to & proud to, you just sit at home & posts negative comments about a club that is of little interest to you, fact[smi][;)][^]

halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 13:24
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Looks like you discarded the spade from the 'Minority' debacle and hired a JCB for this thread.

Cringeworthy.

leroy Posted on 09/02/2012 13:27
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can we stop replying to this pr ick

hes clearly on a windup

FFSBoro Posted on 09/02/2012 13:27
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LL = The Adrian Durham of FMTTM.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:28
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Oh look, it's the same people hurling insults but without a balanced counter argument. How many of you keyboard warriors have run a successful football team.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 13:29
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Put the thesaurus down Lisbon ...

You initially said this:

'Pointless harping on about our 8 academy players cos by the time they reach fruition we flog them to other clubs for them to reap the real benefits'

What you're failing to realise is that the fact that we have sold acadamy products doesn't necessarily mean that we sell them when they're good enough ...

Had we not been relegated, I imagine we'd have a team consisting of Steele (or Jones) McMahon, Wheater, Bates, Williams, Downing, Johnson.

The reason some of them are no longer with us is simply down to the fact that we got relegated - They ended up being above us in a sense.

On the opposite side of the spectrum, we lost the likes of Morrison, Graham, Brunt etc when we were above them - Now, they would be useful additons to this squad, but at the time of the sale they weren't GREAT losses.

We will always need to sign certain players, and we know historically we struggle to produce good goalscorers, but that does not mean that we will sell who we produce to let others reap the rewards.

If we can embed 5 or 6 players into this squad from the current crop, then they could turn out to be fantastic players for us - and ones who's heart is well and truly embedded in the shirt that they were.

If we don't go up this year, we'll likely lose Williams and Bates - That's not a slant on the acadamy, or the management - it just means that they've became better than us yet deserve the moves they get, and the rewards that come with that - because we have benefitted from having them for the past X number of years.

Seriously, go and take your son out for the day, get some fresh air and start again tomorrow mate.

PP ... x

Vasily_Rats Posted on 09/02/2012 13:29
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PP - great post [^] (@13.10)

Erimus - scathing post [:O]

Powlay Posted on 09/02/2012 13:30
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Im definatly no expert on it.

I think you are miss understanding the whole 'we had 8 academy players on the pitch' comments to be honest Lisbon.

I think its more a case of we had a side that did well against the premier leagues most in form side that has come through our academy. Now whilst the Boro didnt win they put in a very good performance. And when the lines of Williams, Bates etc move on the likes of Reach, Smallwood, Park, Williams etc have shown in small doses that they maybe the next home grown players to fill the voids that will appear in the first team.

Why shouldnt people be proud of that?

It saves the club millions in transfer fees, millions in wages, and all time its constantly bringing in much needed money through sales.

Yeah id prefer to have the likes of Downing, Johnson, Graham all here roight now, but im also realistic, Downing and Johnson were always better than the Boro as such, destined for greater things. Wheater i dare say would be here if we were still a PL club. Same with Bates who probably will move on to further his career.

There is a happy medium to be found, and i think as a club we are closer to it than tens and tens of other sides.

Powlay Posted on 09/02/2012 13:31
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Balls ive basically just said what the poncey one said aint i? hahaha he hadnt put that on when i was typing my post our [V]

halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 13:33
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..I'm not criticising the academy itself'

Neither are we. We are praising it.

So then you criticise us for praising it, although you yourself are in favour of it.


*DIG..... DIG.... DIG....*

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:33
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Look at me, look at me, look at me[:P]

gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 13:33
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'How many of you keyboard warriors have run a successful football team'

FFS [:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:34
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My point is that it's all about a happy medium, not having a team full of academy graduates. They should complement the experienced players, not replace them all. People get all mushy and emotional about it but in reality it doesn't achieve long term success.

mattyk50 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:36
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gravy [:D]

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:38
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Gravy[^]spot on mate

As I've posted attention seeking, look at me, look at me[|)]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:38
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Powlay, I'm proud of the 86 youngsters and what they achieved, I don't feel the same pride cos we had to play 8 of them in an FA cup match which we lost. They've achieved nothing yet in my eyes, if the fire us to promotion then that's a different thing altogether.

leroy Posted on 09/02/2012 13:38
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[:D][:D][:D]

Lisbonlegend AKA Sir Alex Ferguson

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:39
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Still not come up with a balanced counter argument lads, is it cos you know I'm right.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:39
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Powlay, I'm proud of the 86 youngsters and what they achieved, I don't feel the same pride cos we had to play 8 of them in an FA cup match which we lost. They've achieved nothing yet in my eyes, if the fire us to promotion then that's a different thing altogether.

Spoken by a Boro fan while sat at home because he had a cold, I don't think so

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:41
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I was also sat at home because I have no holidays left and had to work.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:43
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Yeah right o

Think if it was a quarter final match, or play off final though you would have found a holiday somewhere

Fan of the year my backside[:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:43
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Check out the stats lads, I've got form.


Link: Managerial Stats

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:44
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It wasn't though, was it.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:45
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13 nil, 9 nil, 9 nil, 7 one, who hell are the opposition, do they actually turn up[cr]

Powlay Posted on 09/02/2012 13:50
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"Powlay, I'm proud of the 86 youngsters and what they achieved, I don't feel the same pride cos we had to play 8 of them in an FA cup match which we lost. They've achieved nothing yet in my eyes, if the fire us to promotion then that's a different thing altogether."

People can look at that team last night and feel pride despite them not winning, or in your words achieving anything because it included 8 academy players of which 5 are first team regulars and taking the club forward. That to me is achieving something, yes its not medals or honours but look at where we were under wee gordy, the side has been galvanised together and has a obvious grouping of home grown talent. (some of whom will no doubt go on to the PL with or without the club)

You obviously feel pride when something is won, i dont need that to be proud. I see see the academy differently to most though i admit that.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 09/02/2012 13:51
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is this what PP classes as grown up football talk?


halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 13:54
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There 'e was, digging a hole
A hole in the ground
So big and kind of round it was
And there I was digging it deep
It was flat at the bottom
And the sides were steep

When along came a bloke in a bowler
Which he lifted and scratched his head
Wooh he looked down the hole
Poor demented soul and this he surely said

Dont dig there dig it elsewhere
You're digging it round and it ought to be square
The shape of it's wrong
It's much too long
And you cant put a hole where a hole don't belong. [xx(]

red_shamrock Posted on 09/02/2012 14:01
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Yes it is Raz, LL doing ok with his team and some sort of league,but its not exactly the SSL is it?.
If his record ends up as good as mine he will do alright[:D]

stedontsurf Posted on 09/02/2012 14:06
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"'How many of you keyboard warriors have run a successful football team"

[:D]

[DFS]

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 14:07
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'Still not come up with a balanced counter argument lads, is it cos you know I'm right'

Yes, I have, and you've chosen to ignore it because you know I'm right. Here it is again:

'You initially said this:

'Pointless harping on about our 8 academy players cos by the time they reach fruition we flog them to other clubs for them to reap the real benefits'

What you're failing to realise is that the fact that we have sold acadamy products doesn't necessarily mean that we sell them when they're good enough ...

Had we not been relegated, I imagine we'd have a team consisting of Steele (or Jones) McMahon, Wheater, Bates, Williams, Downing, Johnson.

The reason some of them are no longer with us is simply down to the fact that we got relegated - They ended up being above us in a sense.

On the opposite side of the spectrum, we lost the likes of Morrison, Graham, Brunt etc when we were above them - Now, they would be useful additons to this squad, but at the time of the sale they weren't GREAT losses.

We will always need to sign certain players, and we know historically we struggle to produce good goalscorers, but that does not mean that we will sell who we produce to let others reap the rewards.

If we can embed 5 or 6 players into this squad from the current crop, then they could turn out to be fantastic players for us - and ones who's heart is well and truly embedded in the shirt that they were.

If we don't go up this year, we'll likely lose Williams and Bates - That's not a slant on the acadamy, or the management - it just means that they've became better than us yet deserve the moves they get, and the rewards that come with that - because we have benefitted from having them for the past X number of years.

Seriously, go and take your son out for the day, get some fresh air and start again tomorrow mate'

PP ... x

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 09/02/2012 14:08
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pp those are obvious points. grown up and stop taking the XXXXXXing bait ffs.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 14:11
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Razmond, don't take this personally ... But go and phucking wind your neck in you stupid tedious argumentative useless chunt. There's a good lad.

PP ... x

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 09/02/2012 14:13
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my neck was never out, and you might have noticed it wasnt an argumentative post. [rle]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:13
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I can fully understand that Powlay, if I was actively involved in the academy then I would see things differently.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 14:15
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Poor LISBON [sad]

PP ... x

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:17
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Erimus, it's cos I set the team up to go out with a positive attacking attitude whilst keeping it tight at the back. You can actually attack and defend by pushing up and restricting the space, not sitting on your own box like we did for 40 minutes. That's why we muller teams, we'd probably beat Boro to be honest.

halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 14:18
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Meanwhile back on the subbuteo board...

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 14:20
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I can fully understand that Powlay, if I was actively involved in the academy then I would see things differently.

FHS[|)]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:21
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You're losing the plot you boys.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 14:26
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Unable to respond to a normal post that counters his own. How ultimately tragic.

PP ... x

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:28
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Your whole post basically agreed with my point that eulogising over 8 academy graduates being in the team is basically ignoring the fact that the major thing we should be concerned about is creating a successful team, not how many players we can get from Hemlington.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 14:31
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Not at all. I got so much more pleasure watching that last night, than I did watching us get beat with Tuncay, Alves, Mido, Gary O'Neill, and Didier Digard.

Suppose that's because I'm a born and bred BORO fan though, and I live in the area, and I have a season ticket, and I don't just use them for self promotion or gain.

PP ... x

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:32
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Are you going to Ipswich.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 14:33
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Won't you have a cold??

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:33
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Hopefully not, I've had it since last Wednesday.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 14:36
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So then I take it it's probably a few miles from where you live, am I right[^]

captain5 Posted on 09/02/2012 14:38
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The reason why having the academy with these players breaking through is a good thing is that not only can it bring in money when they leave, it's also the cheapest way of supplementing the good players in our squad, instead of buying in rubbish journeymen.

Instead of buying a Willo Flood, you have a Reach around. [8)]

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 14:40
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Not going to Ipswich, no. Did you go to the Shrewsbury game? Crystal Palace last week?

PP ... x

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:49
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Why so defensive Mr season ticket holder.

Captain.[cr]

Powlay Posted on 09/02/2012 14:59
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Lisbon, ive re read through this thread anf you are trying to create that many points that some are bound to be right.

You: Pointless harping on about our 8 academy players cos by the time they reach fruition we flog them to other clubs for them to reap the real benefits.

Thats the point of the academy though, supliment the first team, move players on when the time comes. Do you support a team different that myself? McMahon isnt really going to go onwards and upwards, we use him well he is a cheaper option than bringing someone in. When he leaves (which in time he probably will) its hardly like soeone else is reaping the benefits and Boro have got noithig but a bit of money out of it. They will have had a player for a period of time playing in the first team.

You:but it won't create a successful football team so having 8 academy players in is more of a weakness than a strength unless you have a massive pool of immensely talented graduates, which we don't.

The academy isnt there JUST to generate success. Thats not how you judge an academy. Only that would ever happen with the best sides in the world. Where they can bring in top players to their academy.

You:Young players are inexperienced and gain their experience by making mistakes. If they're all making their mistakes in our first team then that's not a good thing. You can take maybe 3 young players and get away with it. The only way it would work with 8 is if we could hold on to them

We didnt have 8 young inexperienced players on the pitch, you make up some magic number yet the amount of inexperienced players on the field last night that came through our academy is lower then your magic number? your argument with made up numbers is seriously flawed.

YOU:My point is criticising the eulogising of having 8 academy players in the team,

As ive mentioned before its being proud that we had 8 home grown products who gave sunderland a close game, no one is saying they're all world beaters and we will win the league with them.

YOU:My point is that it's all about a happy medium, not having a team full of academy graduates. They should complement the experienced players, not replace them all. People get all mushy and emotional about it but in reality it doesn't achieve long term success.

The reality is thats not happened, its not like the club have got rid of Hoyte and brought through Pilatos, sold Robson and brought in Smallwood. They are suplimenting the team, not replacing it unless they are good enough, which in the case of Steele, Bennett, Bates, Williams and McMahon thay are. Additionally it is wasnt for injuries Smallwood, Ripley and Reach wouldnt have been involved. You look at the short term picture not the long term academy use.

YOU:I don't feel the same pride cos we had to play 8 of them in an FA cup match which we lost. They've achieved nothing yet in my eyes, if the fire us to promotion then that's a different thing altogether.

as mentioned we all find pride in different things, the players dont need to get promoted for me to be proud. Id be happy if they all went on to have careers in the game. Because thats what an academy is for. Producing professionals.

YOU:I can fully understand that Powlay, if I was actively involved in the academy then I would see things differently.

Im not actively invoved, im a youth football fan, im a football fan, im a boro fan. I understand what the academy it there to do, i think you seem to think its about bringing success and if it doesnt do that then its a fail?

YOU: that eulogising over 8 academy graduates being in the team is basically ignoring the fact that the major thing we should be concerned about is creating a successful team, not how many players we can get from Hemlington.

You seem to be making more of the 8 academy players than others are, as mentioned time and again, its not about being proud from winning its about bing proud because youths came in and did a good job.

you make lots of other valid points that yeah are totally valid. And no one is arguing with them.


Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 15:35
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I know what the purpose of the Academy is Powlay, my post revolves around the fact that the academy is of secondary importance to the core business which is the first team and winning football matches. Your answers are relevant to the academy and it's value which is not in question.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 15:41
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Without the acadamy there would have been no first team last night, therefore no core business, and we'd never win another football match again ...

You're missing the point. If we had signed those 8 lads from other teams, and paid a million quid for each of them and given them 10k a week, you'd be singing their praises and saying Mowbray is building a young team that's going to be around for a decade and you can accept the result because of the bigger picture ...

Because they're from the 'Acadamy' you're dismissing them!

Fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter where they're from in real terms because the fact that they're in the squad shows that MOWBRAY and GIBSON believe in them, and the reaction from the TOWN to their performance last night shows that TEESSIDE believes in them.

That fact that we developed them ourselves, and people have been talking about (on other clubs messageboards last night) how impressive it is that Middlesbrough had 9 acadamy lads on the pitch is something to be proud of.

PP ... x

degsyspesh Posted on 09/02/2012 15:43
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LL - have you got the decorators in?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 15:45
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No Degsy but I have bought a new sofa, why'd you ask?

crouchy Posted on 09/02/2012 15:45
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'How many of you keyboard warriors have run a successful football team'

I took Woking from the Conference to the Champions League in 6 seasons, stuff like that doesn't go unnoticed

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 15:46
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How many academy players did you use?

Powlay Posted on 09/02/2012 15:49
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"I know what the purpose of the Academy is Powlay, my post revolves around the fact that the academy is of secondary importance to the core business which is the first team and winning football matches. Your answers are relevant to the academy and it's value which is not in question."


Where has the academy been put first? You mention this 8 players thing from last night almost as if you think they put the academy first over winning.

It supplimented a team thats been tore to peices by injuries, should thay have included Bailey and Haroun over smallwood and Reach?

Powlay Posted on 09/02/2012 15:51
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"how impressive it is that Middlesbrough had 9 acadamy lads on the pitch is something to be proud of."

EIGHT we had EIGHT!

ITV have a lot to answer for.

Main didnt come through our academy.

oooooo Posted on 09/02/2012 15:51
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Yes Powlay, 8 *is* impressive but 9, well that's out of this world.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 15:54
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Hoyte didn't come through our academy either.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 15:55
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Neither did Arca[sad]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 15:59
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Nor Thomson, nor Jutkevicz.

intheplasma Posted on 09/02/2012 16:02
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"Look at Downing, Cattermole, Johnson Morrison, Turnbull, Jones, etc". Yes! that little lot you mention would seem to bring your accusation of the academy being a myth into disrepute.
according to that list we really do have an academy.
Oh! btw, you forgot one C. Brunt, probably as good as all the others you mention.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 16:06
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intheplasma I was gunna mention Brunt, TBH you can go on & on, but I think the majority of us fans realise we have & have always had an excellent club that brings promising players through, regardless of winning anything with the Boro or going to another club, it's probably more of an issue with people on the outside looking in[;)]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 09/02/2012 16:08
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Lisbon, that is an appalling OP. I sincerely hope it's wind-up.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 09/02/2012 16:08
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And congratulations on your ton. [^]

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 16:12
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Of course it's a wind up, TBH I've contributed as I've been bored & it's whittled away a few Zzzzz hours having a football debate with an armchair fan[^]

Our academy has, always has been & will continue to be one of the best in the country[^]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 16:15
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What in particular didn't you like about the opening post VAN.

10hickton Posted on 09/02/2012 16:18
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So it cant be a myth. As you state, we had eight players from the academy on the pitch, that is not a myth, that is fact.

myth; a person or thing whose existence is fictional or unproven.

intheplasma Posted on 09/02/2012 16:19
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ERIMUS74

onthe outside looking in, spot on!
The press don't ever give our club much praise but even that lot have had to acknowledge our fantastic academy with praise albeit begrudged.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 09/02/2012 16:20
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Pretty much all of it.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 16:22
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Erimus, are you really as dopey as you come across. It is without question that our academy is one of the best around.

degsyspesh Posted on 09/02/2012 16:23
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You just seem a little hormonal......

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 16:25
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Now now, don't start getting personal now fella, if this cold of yours is getting to you go & lie down, what is this about southerners & softies in the same sentence[smi]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 16:25
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Just bringing an air of realisation to what was a vastly sentimental and emotional gushing after an FA cup defeat.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 16:27
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Just bringing an air of realisation to what was a vastly sentimental and emotional gushing after an FA cup defeat.

From the sitting room, hid under a duvet with water bottle & hanky, now what was that again about southerners............[cr]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 09/02/2012 16:29
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After the sh*te we've had to endure since Eindhoven, Lisbon, I think we're entitled to take as much pride of possible out of last night. There were times under Southgate and Strachan when you wondered if the pride would ever be restored. Well it has, and the fact we finished the game with eight or nine academy players is a very nice bonus indeed. Our lads gave everything they had and matched an in-form, big-spending Premier League side and we're allowed to be proud of it.

There, I've bitten. I hope you're pleased with yourself.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 16:30
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Still upset at not being nominated for supporter of the year then.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 16:31
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VAN you do realise you are talking to an armchair[;)]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 16:32
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Viv, it'll all be forgotten in an instant if we lose to Ipswich, we need more sustainable success to be proud of than the fact were so skint we end up with 8 academy players in the team cos of injuries.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 16:33
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We????????????????????????????????

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 09/02/2012 16:36
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Yeah but people aren't proud just because they came through the academy. People are proud of how they performed. That they came through the academy is, as I said earlier, a lovely bonus for us.

And I'm going to have to stop there, I think. Stop dragging me in please, Lisbon.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 16:40
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Ok, rating our academy players last night

Steele 8
Hoyte 9
Hines 8
Bates 8
Bennett 7
McMahon 7
Williams 9
Thomson 6
Arca 6
Main 7
Jutkevicz 7
Subs:
Emnes 6
Reach 6
Smallwood 6

hopesoboro Posted on 09/02/2012 16:44
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Lisbonlegend
Youre an urban myth with the charisma of Myth Piggy

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 16:46
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Witnessed from under the duvet FHS[cr]

Red_Matter Posted on 09/02/2012 17:04
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Lisbon, you on magic mushrooms son?

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/02/2012 17:33
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Haha......landed a few big uns in this one LL.[^]

halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 18:40
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Including you. (Ha Ha [^])

r00fie Posted on 09/02/2012 18:41
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Emnes?
Arca?
Hoyte?


borobadge Posted on 09/02/2012 18:43
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i see why your in the 'minority' now !!!,

no chance of your version ever catching on, the Middlesbrough Football Club academy is one of britains (boro and teessides) success stories of the past 20 years.....

not a myth in sight.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 20:33
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Do people just read the thread title before sending their bizarrely wide of the mark replies...

Powlay Posted on 09/02/2012 22:09
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Still eagerly awaiting you to tell me where the academy has been put first.

fuchs Posted on 09/02/2012 22:17
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In terms of players from academy sales, is Boro's better than Barcelona's?

[:O]

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 09/02/2012 22:38
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[^]im with LL on this one


it seems your all obsessed with the shadow and have lost the substance

it seems having players who just happened to be born locally to the riverside is just better than signing players

sounds religious if you ask me

atkingson Posted on 09/02/2012 22:45
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I agree. Let's stop introducing our youth players into the first team and see how far we get

Powlay Posted on 09/02/2012 23:20
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"In terms of players from academy sales, is Boro's better than Barcelona's?"

Boro are not in the top 5 English sides if you look at income from players who have come through the academy system. (98/99 onwards)