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Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 07:18
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The way some people are talking, saying it was our best performance in years must be posting on the back of derby adrenaline.

Couldn't get to the match due to work and being full of cold, even having to turn down corporate freebies so had to settle for ITV Capello coverage so have a different view to those that were there. First half I thought we were awful, sat in, made very little attempt to get forward in numbers or put any pressure on them. Our midfield of Arca and Thomson was horrendously slow and the goal we conceded was due to Thomson not tracking his man. The goal kicked us into life for 5 minutes and we were unlucky not to score but our front two did nothing with very little service.

The second half looked much the same with us sitting in but a long punt upfield, a great win by Main but mistake by them and Juke finally stopped doing air shots. We grafted well but the quality was rarely there when we needed it most, the story of our season and the game got really stretched and both teams were sitting in with occasional counter attacks. Emnes was terrible again.

Yes, we were depleted, the young lads battled tirelessly, Hoyte had an Excellent game, Steele was commanding, Main looked like he could be half decent in a couple of years, Reach showed some good footwork, Hines played well as did Bates and Williams. There was a good crowd and atmosphere, although that didn't come across all that well on Capello TV. I think my gripe is the lack of ambition we showed for a local derby in the FA Cup, the lack of quality when it mattered and yet another defeat when they were there for the taking. We now go to a rejuvinated Ipswich, knackered and depleted and a defeat could see us slip in to mid table. I'm not bothered about how many academy graduates we have, I want to see a winning team full of goals.

BillBones Posted on 09/02/2012 07:20
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Correct.

You are in the minority.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 09/02/2012 07:25
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I hope we are able to see Thomson in the summer.

apart from that you are an idiot [^]

UAUA Posted on 09/02/2012 07:25
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The central midfielders were quite slow and often failed to track runners and were repeatedly beaten to knock downs and second balls after our centre halves had won headers. Other than that it was a great effort.

Edwin Posted on 09/02/2012 07:28
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Not bothered about how many home growns are in the team?

Personally, my best time as a Boro supporter was under Brucie. A lot of that was exactly to do with the above - passionate, talented local lads who you felt a connection with.

If that doesn't bother you I think its rather sad.

red_shamrock Posted on 09/02/2012 07:29
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They were a bit slicker at times,but thats what you pay a lot of money for. We worked hard, played decent and I enjoyed the game...thats what I payed for.
Unlucky Boro[^]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 09/02/2012 07:30
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i thought they showed real ambition with oneill himself admitting that for a time it could have went either way.

1finny Posted on 09/02/2012 07:33
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Its a decent summary but, in the context of playing the form team in the prem league, we handled it really well.
Over two legs nothing between the teams.

joseph99 Posted on 09/02/2012 07:45
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Even a neutral would concede that the least Boro deserved was for the game to go penalties. There's a reason for that.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 09/02/2012 07:50
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on the point of Emnes, he didnt look fit.

to say a player didnt give his all when knowing that that player either isnt fully fit or is still carrying an injury is highly disrespectful, so i hope for your sake that the player was fully match fit.

GillZean Posted on 09/02/2012 07:50
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[^]Well said shamrock[^]

Gene_Vincent Posted on 09/02/2012 08:11
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I think you are forgetting that we were playing a big spending Premier league team.

That said some people on other threads are really going over the top. In no way were we "Immense" or "Tremendous". Tough, and workmanlike i would say.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 08:17
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LisbonLegend: taking attention seeking to another level since 2003.

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gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 08:18
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Under the circumstances, it was a very good performance.

The suggestion we 'lacked ambition' is just odd. There's a reason you're in the minority.

jimmy_james Posted on 09/02/2012 08:24
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I agree with LL.

It was a well worth 20 entertaining evening.

It seems those that turned up got confused with the good atmosphere in the stadium with the game on the pitch.

I heard many geordies do the same a couple of years back at SJP when they had a flag night against us but played an average game.

gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 08:25
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I wouldn't be happy with that, Lisbon. [:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 08:38
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The reason it nearly went to penalties was because we set out to contain and try and counter attack. Maybe Mogga was afraid they'd cut us apart if we actually got stuck right into them and went for the win. Yes, they're a Premier League team that cost far more and we had 8 players that came through the ranks but Mogga said before the game that he's not bothered about money or reputation, it's 11 v 11. Maybe if we'd have nicked a winner it would have been seen as a Mogga master stroke but we didn't, fine margins I suppose.

Just to reiterate, there were quite a few positives but why couldn't we have got in their faces and asked questions of them instead of sitting back to grind out another 'glorious' defeat.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 08:42
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Edwin, 1986 was special because we had a local team AND we were winning. If we'd have finished mid table who'd even remember.

gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 08:55
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We approached the game in the correct manner, given the resources available. We just weren't quite good enough.

redlion Posted on 09/02/2012 08:58
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What gravyboat said [^]

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 09/02/2012 09:06
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A second string midfield, a RB playing RM, a 19 yr old making his debut.....verus a big spending third-in-the-form-table PL team.

And we matched them over the two games.

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What we could'nt match, but did well to contain, was their speed and ability to close us down very quickly high up the pitch. Overall very pleasing two performances.

borobuddah Posted on 09/02/2012 09:27
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Mogga said before the game that we wouldn't come out all guns blazing, his game plan was to contain and hit them on the odd break, didn't quite work, but we had a hell of a go and did what we were told.

halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 09:31
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Lisbon - you answered the question yourself as to why Boro were not all gung ho. We stayed in the game, didnt get done on breaks, and so very nearly made it.

No complaints from me. A night for pride regardless of the result.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 09:41
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In the first half especially though we went backwards more than we went forwards, it was awful.

gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 09:43
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'It was awful' [:D]

Are you bored?

Libbins Posted on 09/02/2012 09:46
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Mmm.

It was Williams who didn't track Colback, not Thomson.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 09:49
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Seriously gravy, that first half was like watching paint dry.

No, it was Thomsons man but Williams was closest to him when he scored. He jogged right past Thompson who had his hands on his hips, Williams then tried to get across once Colbak had the ball.


OPEO Posted on 09/02/2012 09:56
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Lisbo, sounding more like a member of the chelski set with every passing day. Why don't you do us all a favour and do a bungee jump off the tranny! I'll supply the elastic rope.[:P]

hopesoboro Posted on 09/02/2012 09:57
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'Another' glorious defeat? whats all that about?
We played well last night and got stuck in. The evidence from that perfomance augurs well for our league campaign and suggests our squad is far from thin - with top players to return as well. Lisbonlegend, you are the defeatist and a miserable sod into the bargain. Lets take the many positives from last night and really get stuck in at Ipswich

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 09:57
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'No, it was Thomsons man but Williams was closest to him when he scored.'

Lisbon, I thought you'd played football to a decent standard?

Were we man marking all 10 outfield players individually, or does the fact that 'Williams was closest to him' mean that it was Williams' man?

He walked past Williams, and Williams was ball watching. It was only when the ball found it's way to Colback that Williams reacted.

You don't have talk some arse gravy son. Suppose that's the difference with watching games on the TV every week though, as opposed to actually attending games.

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Holgater Posted on 09/02/2012 09:59
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I agree with you LL [^]

If we had a little bit more about us, we could have done them last night.


hopesoboro Posted on 09/02/2012 10:04
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Cobblers - its footy and these things happen. Their first was a wonder goal out of the blue and to point the finger is to show lack of knowledge of the game, immaturity and an inability to take setbacks on the chin

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 10:04
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No doubt you were puking in the toilets Ponce and missed it seen as though you'd been drinking since 5am.

Defeatist and miserable cos I'm unhappy that we got beat when we could have given it more of a go. Im surprised so many people are so overjoyed at getting knocked out.

Holgater.[^]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 10:06
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Hopesoboro, prevention is better than cure.

Chappy112 Posted on 09/02/2012 10:07
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Glad someone else pointed it out, definitely William's man. He was having a snooze when the ball fell to Colback.

Mind you it was probably Thomson's fault for Sessegnon's goal as well. [:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 10:09
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Watch it again on TV, Thomson didn't even bother jogging as Colback ran past him.

Chappy112 Posted on 09/02/2012 10:12
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I've just watched it 3 times, at no point is Jack Colback anywhere near Kevin Thomson.

I can circle the players for you if you want Lisbon.


Link: Colback

hopesoboro Posted on 09/02/2012 10:15
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Lisbonlegend
Wish your parents had thought the same. Only joking - but seriously, why do you have to scapegoat - as I said that goal was a 1 in a million and its unnecessary to look to apportion blame. Still think we played well - especially with all the doom mongering pre-match.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 10:16
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You'll have been too busy in the MSS Tiddlywinks tournament to have given the game your full attention.

For a man who's played football consistantly to a relatively good standard, it's shameful to see your complete and utter lack of knowledge of the game you so love.

It has also served to make me think that Boksic is actually right - and your role as manager of MSS is at best, overstated.

PP ... x

halifaxp Posted on 09/02/2012 10:17
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No-one's "overjoyed at getting knocked out", as you well know, Lisbon.

It is a very different experience watching TV and watching a live game. For me, Thomson and Arca were both excellent, as were Bennett, McMahon, Hines, Steele and Main.

On TV, you do not get much sense of how much, for example, McMahon "got in their faces" (He won the ball in the air against taller players time after time after time, for instance, through sheer effort and determination, qualities which their men could not match.)

It was also great to have a reminder of what our club can feel like when enough people turn up and make a noise. We did not deserve to lose, and were very proud of our lads. What on earth is there not to be happy about, especially when many of us feared an embarrassing nation-wide broadcast of our injury-ravaged weakness?

gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 10:19
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As if you're trying to blame Thomson for that goal [:D].

You're analysis of the match lacks objectivity.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 10:22
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Phucking embarrassing.

Thomson was as much at fault for Sessengons goal as he was for Colbacks.

PP ... x

hopesoboro Posted on 09/02/2012 10:24
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Glad most posters think Lisbons an attention-seeking, over-opinionated tosser. I watched it on TV and was very pleased with our efforts - McMahon for England!

Chappy112 Posted on 09/02/2012 10:26
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McMahon was quality wasn't he? I remember thinking about the 80th minute he looked shattered but he just kept going and going.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 10:26
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I actually don't know why I'm replying. It's a standard Lisbon tactic. The board is flooded with decent football related threads for once, and his standard 'How much does your watch cost' post would be ignored. Instead he focuses on something else to attract attention.

PP ... x

Dejan_Savicevic Posted on 09/02/2012 10:34
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Actually it was whoever was closest to him's man, in this case was Williams who never tracked him, unfortunately we got punished and Williams put a very decent shift in, as did Thomson who for me was one of our best players on the night, Smallwood isn't near him in any part of his game. I watched the game last night with an open mind on Thomson as I've defended him on here and in person, I never saw any evidence that he ducks challenges due to his previous injuries and he never hides.

I was proud last night to see that team take Sunderland that far, unlucky not to edge it, the way they celebrated last night at full time showed how well we played over the two games.

I don't think that assessment is that fair Lisbon, you probably know yourself you don't get a full picture of the game watching on TV.

Everyone put the required effort in, Hines at times was sloppy and I felt he could have done more for the goal he was out-jumped by Campbell, the Juke got better as the game went on and it's a shame we are down to the bare bones as would have like to see him stay on. Emnes wasn't up to speed when he came on and was his usual frustrating self and Main gets massive praise for that performance against experienced premiership defenders, he's got a chance now, needs to work on his positional play still, a few times play broke down due to his run off the ball out left when we had no focal point to hit int he centre, if he plays alongside Juke consistently that will come, great to see the big lad get his goal and hopefully he'll kick on now after missing a couple of chances previously.

I also have to give McMahon some praise as I'm one of his critics but great effort for the lad in an unfamiliar role, he doesn't have the quality required to play there all the time but gave it his all and caused them a few problems.

Joe Bennett, great way to answer the critics young un [^]

fuchs Posted on 09/02/2012 11:00
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No proper BORO fan would miss that game like.

leroy Posted on 09/02/2012 11:04
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[rle]

Where do you start with tripe like this.

Can you imagine if any of our players read this board, after the effort and skill they showed last night, then this bloke has that opinion

[V][V]

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 11:05
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Couldn't get to the match due to work and being full of cold, even having to turn down corporate freebies so had to settle for ITV

Think that sums you up as a Boro fan TBH, all the posts I've read of you you're either bigging yourself up, getting hospitality boxes or slagging yet another lacklustre performance, even now when it's the morning after & I'm proud as hell to be a Boro fan, you have once again come on here & slagged my team team off.

You forgot to mention also backing the Boro to lose.[|)]

FHS why am I even resplying to a so called fan who only goes when he gets free tickets or the match is played close to his abode[V]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 11:32
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I didn't back the Boro to lose, I backed Sunderland to win, which they did.

Leroy, you really aren't the brightest are you. We were negative as a team in the first half and gave them the advantage. They were there for the taking and we kept getting over the halfway line and passing back. I have already highlighted many positives from the night, the point is it was nowhere near our best performance for years, maybe we're getting accustomed to mediocrity.

MightyDuck Posted on 09/02/2012 11:35
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like mogga said, if we'd have set off with a 'cavalry charge' they would have battered us.

sessegnon would have had even more space

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 11:37
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Maybe but we lost anyway so maybe it was worth giving it a go, getting a goal and then sit in.

fuchs Posted on 09/02/2012 11:40
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LL Please Shut up and go and support QPR.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 11:41
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But then agin I'm a Boro fan, & this morning a very proud Boro fan, similar to what TM states in tonights gazette, somehow I don't think you understand the passion Boro fans have[^]

And yes you are in the minority[;)]

Bandy Posted on 09/02/2012 11:42
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LL - if you were in the stadium your match report would be totally different

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 09/02/2012 11:44
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The OP misses the point by a million miles.

Yes we set up to be solid and compact and our game-plan was to stifle the space and force them to play in front of us and to a large extent it worked.

And yes our performance wasn't full of free flowing champagne football, it was one of industry and endevour.

But despite that it was still an exceptional performance, by a team of almost all home grown players, showing passion, pride, commitment and a confidence that belied their age in many, many cases.

As a Boro supporter I left the Riverside feeling very proud of my team, the players and the manager and took away huge optimism for the clubs future.

I think the majority who were there felt the same.

fuchs Posted on 09/02/2012 11:50
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Spot on Jonny.

I felt exactly the same.

People who were not there and are not proper fans should just keep their opinions to themselves.

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 11:50
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I honestly can't believe what I'm reading ...

If we had have went for the jugular from the first minute and got stuffed 3-0 you'd have been the first on here with your piissy knickers saying that Mowbray got his tactics completely wrong.

I also do not agree that we were overly 'negative'. Our position and success in the league this season has been built on having a solid foundation at the back with qthe ability to play football and catch people on the break.

Once again, I can't believe that I'm replying to this boll*cks because I know it's only you attention seeking again - BUT:

We had a depleted team, and we correctly played to suit the strengths of that team.

With a full strength side out we would have had a bit of pace in the middle - It is no big secret that our midfield last night was largely pedestrian and hence we needed to sit and contain them, before trying to catch them on the break. We played Sunderland at the own game, but partly because it was forced.

Had we gone all out, with Arca, Thomson and Williams getting forward, we'd have left massive gaps for the likes of Sessengon and Larsson to expose. Not to mention the likes of Bardsley who got forward well in support.

We contained them, and we limited the football they played. Yes we conceded; a good goal at that - but it wasn't the end of the world.

We were never out of the game, and minutes after they scored, we had 2 great chances ourselves.

The game plan was perfect, and it was so close to working. Sadly it didn't, but rest assured with the team at our disposal, it was as close as it COULD have been.

You're also probably completely unaware that most of Sunderlands success has been counter attacking since O'Neill took charge, and also probably that consumed in your own self importance that you don't realise that if the Premiership started when O'Neill took over, then they'd be top of the league. They'd have picked holes in us for fun, and we'd have had a real uphill battle on our hands then.

You've let the smoke get to your head - on two counts. You've been down in the smoke for too long, and you've been blowing it up your own arse because of MSS FC.

As has already been said by others though, it's probably down to not actually witnessing games in the flesh, and being reliant on TV Coverage for your assessments.

PP ... x

Bandy Posted on 09/02/2012 11:51
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What PP said - spot on[^]

fuchs Posted on 09/02/2012 11:53
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[:I]

Its a bad day when PP accuses you of attention seeking like.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 11:54
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PP you're right mate I shouldn't be replying to a poster who has so little passion for my football club, but it does wind me up when he continually posts on this board about the negatives from the club & his freebies, don't hink for one minute if he met TM he would be so negative mind.

You & I have more passion in our little finger mate, keep the faith[^]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 09/02/2012 11:54
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To be fair PP can offer the opinion of an expert in that respect [rle][:D]

leroy Posted on 09/02/2012 11:54
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Lisbonlegend

Its called tactics, mowbray set the team up to be cautious and not leave their pacy players room to counter attack. It worked a treat, yes some of the players didnt track here or there but they are championship player playing against a good oppo.

I hope you started this just for attention and these arent yourmreal thoughts

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 11:55
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Fuchs [:D] Bandy [^] Erimus [^]

PP ... x

hopesoboro Posted on 09/02/2012 11:55
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Lisbonlegend
Shut the fcuk up and count your winnings
- tosspot

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:02
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hopesoboro he's not a fan just an attention seeker, sad really but there you go


Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:03
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Worked like a dream, that's why we're out the cup. I'm glad you're all so happy being beaten by Sunderland. I'd have preferred to get stuck into them and get balls into our big men in dangerous areas.

Chappy112 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:04
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They were only evens to win in the 90 mins so the odds to qualify must have been crap, can't have won much.

Bandy Posted on 09/02/2012 12:06
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it was a well-executed game plan that very nearly worked. if we played them in a months time it might work. Some you win some you lose. We could have played expansive and got bummed inside 20 minutes. End result - they play keep ball for 60 minutes to a chorus of ole's

PinkPonce Posted on 09/02/2012 12:07
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We did get stuck into them, and we did get balls into the big men because that's exactly how we scored the goal ...

That's the difference with this team. Remember Arsenal away in the relegation season - 11 spineless f@nnies on 30k a week compared to 11 young lads, everyone of them cared passionately and who fought for every single ball.

We got stuck in alright, and we got balls into the box. We were just unlucky.

Of course, there's the disappointment but it could have been so so much worse. For starters, you could have been the manager and we'd have been 3-0 down at half time.

PP ... x

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:08
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I didn't bet on yesterday's game, I had 50 on Sunderland to win the first game.

halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 12:10
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'I'm glad you're all so happy at being beaten by Sunderland'

Dear oh dear.

That's pathetic by the way.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:10
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Ponce, since when was Arca a young lad. I think you need to stop drinking.[sad]

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:10
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I didn't bet on yesterday's game, I had 50 on Sunderland to win the first game.

Passionless, attention seeking so called Boro fan, hang your head in shame[|)]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:14
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Not at all halcyon, in all the rigmarole about young players, local players, etc we actually got knocked out the FA cup by our nearest rivals and lacked any ambition at all for 40 minutes. It seems people aren't willing to accept the truth and can only harp on about how we battled. Battling should be a minimum requirement, quality wins you football matches.

halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 12:15
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So you think the contributors to this thread are happy we got beaten then?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:15
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Erimus, when did you last get nominated for the supporter of the year award.

george1 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:16
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Agree with Lisbon first half was terrible apart from 5 min spell any other game apart from our team you'd have flicked channels.

Second half thought it was a even

Marvellous marvin he is a average player in an above average team.

Been terrible for a few months

Overall close contest over the two games weren't disgraced but the league was always the priority and think we will finish anywhere from 6th to mid table

That's if we can get the injured players back

Bailey and Robson if can stay injury free for the remainder who knows.

The new lad offers us something different early days but so far the jury's out.....


gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 12:16
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'They were there for the taking'

What does that even mean?

fuchs Posted on 09/02/2012 12:16
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[:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]

LL LOL

wot a numpty

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:17
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So it seems halcyon. I stated my case that I thought if we'd have been more positive we'd have won and you all wet your knickers.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:19
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Listen to George, the bloke talks sense.

halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 12:19
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Pathetic judgement that, LL.

End of.

Over and out.

gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 12:19
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Have a word in Mogga's shell next time you're on one of your freebies; tell him how it's done MSS stylee.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:21
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Mogga agreed with me.

Lefty Posted on 09/02/2012 12:22
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One of the differences when you're at the match is you get to see what is going on all over the pitch at the same time.

Lisbon, what you couldn't appreciate from your settee, but probably ought to realise, was the way O'Neil set his team up.

As usual they were solid, disciplined and hard working. They are drilled to keep their shape. Their priority was not to outplay us but to stifle us and make it difficult and hope their premiership talent could conjure something or profit on a mistake. That is what all Martin O'Neil teams are set up to do.

So if we struggled to penetrate them, with a depleted team and inferior players, what about Sunderland. They were no great shakes. I thought we edged them, though the scoreline tells you we didn't. I'm pretty sure we would have beaten them with Bailey, Robson and Haroun fit.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 09/02/2012 12:23
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Half decent match. Agree that we aren't pacey in the middle, and wouldn't have been had Robson played either. By the way, that looked to be Williams who went to sleep and lost their player for the first one. You can't blame Thomson for all the midfield errors....oh hang on, he's not from the academy, you can.

george1 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:25
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Replay and twice on the tv added revenue must have netted a fair bit...

Hope It helps to secure couple of premier squad players that can boost us until the end of the season.

McMahon and full backs had a good game last night

Mr bates needs to be signed though he needs to look at wheater and remember the grass ain't always greener the other side of the fence

Tidy performance and not disgraced losing ain't nice but woke up this morning thinking we came out of the two games with more credit than they did

hopesoboro Posted on 09/02/2012 12:25
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Lisbonlegend
you go from the ridiculous to the sublime
Get a life
Get another team - what about Sunderland!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:27
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Rhys Williams was fantastic.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:29
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Hopesoboro, you need to swim through the propaganda and you shall find the truth.

mattyk50 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:30
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not sure where you're getting this "lack of ambition" idea from LL

mowbray went with 2 out and out strikers against the form team in the premiership, and we supported them as often as we could without leaving ourselves too exposed to getting hit for 4 or 5

gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 12:35
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Mogga agreed we were 'awful' and 'lacked ambition'?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:36
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In the first half in particular we'd get an opportunity to break, cross the half way line before Arca, Thompson, etc would turn back and it would end up back at our defence or goalkeeper. We had next to no support for our strikers until a few minutes before half time. Even the commentators started noticing it and Townsend on a couple of occasions mentioned our lack of ambition. Maybe when you're in the stadium distracted by fans or drink or whatever you miss it but it was clear as day.

mattyk50 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:37
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or maybe you just a get a better sense of the mood and tempo of the game?

also, i was driving [^]

Bandy Posted on 09/02/2012 12:38
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we did the best with the resources available. My only criticism was we had a tortoise playing midfield

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:39
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Maybe Bandy or maybe we gave them too much respect.

mattyk50 Posted on 09/02/2012 12:39
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"My only criticism was we had a tortoise playing midfield"

first the anfield cat, and now this! [:O]

gravyboat Posted on 09/02/2012 12:45
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I was driving, too.

For gods sake, don't start quoting Andy Townsend to back up your opinion.

There were times in the first half when we broke, but didn't really have any midfield player joining in with the front two, so we went sideways and kept possession.

However, that's not a 'lack of ambition', it's a circumstance of the players available.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 12:46
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Thomson the Tortoise or Arca the Tortoise?

Libbins Posted on 09/02/2012 12:46
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Some good fishing, LL [;)]

Bandy Posted on 09/02/2012 12:47
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Thompson. Arca at least has drive for 3 yards and then drags the ball back. Thompson just pirouettes and gives the easy 5 yard pass

Scudo Posted on 09/02/2012 12:47
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We held the top form Premiership team until 7 minutes from the end, with a patched up team. Bl**dy well proud of them today I am. Dont forget lisbon, Man City pummelled Sunderland a few weeks back and still got beat. All out attack does not always work!

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:20
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LL-Erimus, when did you last get nominated for the supporter of the year award.

How the hell do you get that vote, either sat in the hospitality suite or watching on the box, don't even go there regarding you being in the same league as me with regarding following the Boro, I've been going since 1970, at one time I went 20 years without missing a home game, including friendlies, you are not even on the same planet as me following the Boro, you just stick to you meaningless matches against your inferior opponents

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 13:29
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So how come you didn't get nominated then.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 09/02/2012 13:36
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This thread is like trying to argue with a small child....

Vasily_Rats Posted on 09/02/2012 13:46
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I think the "Dejan Savicevic" who posts on here is an ex pro-footballer.

[;)]

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 13:54
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Put it another way LL, my dad who is 76 has been going since he was 15 & still has his ST to this day, has he been nominated no, my brother who is 50 has like myself been going since we were 11, have either of us have been nominated,no, similar with quite a few mates of mine who have been going all their lives have never been nominated, infact I've never known anyone who has been nominated, it must be a sky thing, but how the heck does a person who has no interest with the club & continually post negative comments & backs the team to lose a game get voted for the supporter of the year is beyond me, I think you must have had rare visit to the Riverside found one of those 'special supporter forms, or made your own on the PC & filled it in a dozen times[^]

rivals_oldschool Posted on 09/02/2012 14:02
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[:D] Amusing thread.

As a casual observer on here it's pretty obvious you use this football club as a vehicle for an ego boost Lisbon.

Congrats on the 'fan of the year' award though. All that harassing of people clearly paid off.

red_shamrock Posted on 09/02/2012 14:04
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I think you your dad and brother are good fans Erimus and you are catching me me up.
I don't want any awards though.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 14:07
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red_shamrock cheers mate[^]but if you've been going longer than me why haven't you got a 'super supporter of the year certificate' like LL

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:24
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Cheers rivals, I'm glad someone can be pleased for me and not bitter that they didn't get nominated like Erimus.[^]

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 14:26
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LL[^]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:30
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One day you may get nominated and maybe you'll get a placard next to mine in the Boro Supporters hall of fame.

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 14:32
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Fingers crossed, obviuosly I'm doing something wrong LL, I'll have to stop attending the matches then I may have a chance[:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:51
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My support is more valuable to the club than yours, FACT.

nor_mate Posted on 09/02/2012 14:52
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LL SURELY on the wind up now. Surely [:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 14:54
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[8)]

TMG501 Posted on 09/02/2012 15:09
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Lets not forget the most important thing here. The poor wee lamb has the sniffles as well you know[rle]

What aXXXXXXend you are

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 15:27
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My support is more valuable to the club than yours, FACT.

Yeah right o from the comfort of your armchair & hanky in hand, yeah of course you are

fact you slag the club off regurly, fact you post negative threads regarding my team, fact you bet against my team losing a football match, yeah my suppport must be poor to be worse than an armchair fan

TMG501 Posted on 09/02/2012 15:30
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I always thought LL to be someone who sits with a hanky in his hand, but not because he had the sniffles [;)]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 15:32
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Your team? I'm fairly sure I pump more cash into the club then you do on an annual basis so I'd I'd say it was more my team than yours.

TMG501 Posted on 09/02/2012 15:36
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"Your team? I'm fairly sure I pump more cash into the club then you do on an annual basis so I'd I'd say it was more my team than yours."





Link: LL

erimus74 Posted on 09/02/2012 15:43
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"Your team? I'm fairly sure I pump more cash into the club then you do on an annual basis so I'd I'd say it was more my team than yours."


Real Boro fan 1, Armchair negativity, big fat zero[^]

halcyon Posted on 09/02/2012 16:01
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It'll be My Dad can fight your Dad next. [xx(]

Either that or My watch cost more than your watch....



Oh....hang on....

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 16:16
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Only one of us has been nominated as Boro supporter of the year and we both know who that is.

FarCue Posted on 09/02/2012 16:18
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stopped reading after 'couldn't get to the game' and 'full of cold'

FarCue

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 09/02/2012 16:18
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"In the first half especially though we went backwards more than we went forwards, it was awful."

You mean the first-half where we created more chances than they did?

Actually, I don't even know why I'm responding. It's clearly a wind-up. And it's raining. And I've just ran out of credit on my phone and will have to go to the shop later. And, I'm thinking, Lisbon, wouldn't you have preferred to have had a couple of pride-based tons than a couple of faux-disappointment-to-provoke-a-reaction-based tons? And it's still raining. And my Chai tea has gone lukewarm now.

hopesoboro Posted on 09/02/2012 16:41
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Bandy
Youre getting as bad as Lisbon. We played well last night, including Arca (arguably the most gifted player we have)and Thomson. We have/had limitations, (including pace in midfield)but if these players had all the attributes you go on about they would be playing for ManU or Barca. Get a bleedin grip

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 16:46
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Of course Viv but it's all about debate, if we all thought the same thing hen what would be the fun in that. I want us to win, it's a competition and the prize is a trophy. All the flowery stuff like academy players are nice to haves but it's about testing yourselves as a team. Yes, we worked hard in adversity and had some good individual performances but on the other hand I thought we could have given it more of a go. Mogga is a very astute manager and maybe a close tactical defeat was the best we could hope for, it's just a shame that we'll never know whether a more passioniote and braver attacking approach would have yielded a different outcome.

TMG501 Posted on 09/02/2012 17:03
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"Of course Viv but it's all about debate"

or in your case, mass debate

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 09/02/2012 17:06
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Mowbray did the best he could with what he had available. If we'd been a bit more gung-ho then maybe Sunderland would have battered us 4-0 and we'd have got booed off. I'd rather do what we did last night. Keep ourselves in it, compete, work as hard as we possibly can, wait for the opportunity to come rather than trying to force things. We did all that, and more. We played some decent stuff and I'm incredibly proud of how we played.

Dibzzz Posted on 09/02/2012 17:42
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'Couldn't get to the match due to work and being full of cold'

I stopped reading after that. [:o)]

The_263 Posted on 09/02/2012 18:12
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This thread is more about self-indulgence than expressing opinion. Utterly transparent motives so please take note this will be my last contribution to the thread. I may chose to edit in order to respond to subsquent comments to prevent the number tally from increasing - that is of course - if I have the time or even the inclination.

fridaynighttipple Posted on 09/02/2012 18:13
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Dibzz, i was going to post the same[:D]

Dibzzz Posted on 09/02/2012 18:18
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[:D][^]

borobadge Posted on 09/02/2012 18:39
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it was williams who didnt 'track the man'..

as for minorities, weve all been in one, and theres not a 'populist' movement in the world that didnt start out as a 'minority'...

point of view or numerical at the beginning.

TopQual Posted on 09/02/2012 18:50
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I agree with a fair bit of the OP and I was thinking the same during the match. BUT we had no attacking players in our midfield, Thomson and Williams are BOTH defensive minded. Arca is too slow to attack. The only attacking outlet we had was Bennett and Hoyte and sometimes McMahon.

I think Mowbray got the tactics right with the way we played. So I'm not having a dig at any of the lads or Mowbray, with a bit of luck going our way and not theirs we would have won. Also thought Main had a good game and Reach instantly impressed me, surprised at how tall he is! We can be very proud of the team that we were forced to put out, so there's no need for any negatives.

Starbuck Posted on 09/02/2012 19:38
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"It was williams who didnt 'track the man'.."

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Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 20:31
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It was Thomson.

What's all this self indulgent nonsense and personal attacks, there's no need for it. I'm expressing an opinion, it annoyed me that we kept going backwards when they had a donkey like Turner at the back, simple really.

redwurzel Posted on 09/02/2012 20:34
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Sunderland games reminded me of the FAC games against Everton in 1988 - we lost eventually - but those 3 games probably helped us get promotion. [smi] We also had more young ones late night than the Rioch babes [;)

Williams looked better than the Sunderland midfield - he looking one class act and playing in his right position.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/02/2012 20:38
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In what way do they remind you of the Everton games?

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 09/02/2012 22:17
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Lisbon - I don't think it's self-indulgent of people to come on and ask why you've started threads about our academy being a 'myth', and how you wanted 'more' from the lads(and the manager) after they gave everything they had to give and a lot more besides.

I think you may have felt differently if you were at the game. I don't mean that as a criticism, or an attack on you, just that if you'd tasted the game, felt it and felt the atmosphere, you may have been a bit more appreciative of the team's collective and individual efforts. I don't think we could have given any more than we did and, over the two games, we deserved a shot at penalties at the very least.

And I'm still as proud now as I was when I left the stadium last night.

HolgateCorner Posted on 09/02/2012 22:35
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I don't think it was about the number of academy players, the number of injuries, battling qualities, lack of ambition or anything else.

The reason that most of us enjoyed the night in the stadium is because on paper Sunderland should have beaten us comfortably.

But they didn't, it was far from comfortable and going into extra time we looked as likely to win as they did, they maybe just had that extra bit of quality in Sessignon, the best player in their team, a top premier league striker.

Mowbrays job is to win the game.

By keeping it tight he put victory well within reach.

On another night we could have been celebrating victory but you sometimes need the ball to go through somebody's legs.

The tactics were spot on, sometime you just get beat.

atkingson Posted on 09/02/2012 22:37
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Bla, bla, bla , bla - what's your point panda?