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Adi_Dem Posted on 22/12/2011 22:51
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I was reminded today why I try to avoid shopping in Middlesbrough wherever possible. Sadly, I had to be there today.

It was good to see that standards haven't slipped and that the Christmas spirit is alive and well. I stayed for about an hour.

A husband and wife screaming expletives at each other and calling each other all the XXXXXXs under the sun.

A father leaning down and screaming expletives into the face of his daughter who could have been no more than 7 crying her little heart out.

A young lad scoffing a pastie before dropping the last bit along with the bag onto the floor before gobbing all over the floor. Inside the Hill Street.

A pregnant girl smoking like a chimney and telling her scrote boyfriend to 'XXXXXX off you dick'

Tis the season to be jolly.

dodger Posted on 22/12/2011 22:57
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Nevermind , the thousands of good folk you passed never noticed you.

All the best [ref]

Billy69_uk Posted on 22/12/2011 23:02
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the normal people fade into the background when there are so many circus freaks kicking around.

more than its fair share of scum bags to be honest.

and if you are a scum bag;

TRACKSUIT BOTTOMS ARE ONLY FOR 12 YEAR OLDS OR PROFESSIONAL SPORTSMEN.

Repat_Smoggie Posted on 23/12/2011 00:44
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I often think that Middlesbrough is full of freaks. Then I visit Stockton and realise that it's not as bad as it could be......

American_Mary Posted on 23/12/2011 00:48
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I think most places have a smattering of freaks, in Redcar today and I swear a woman was looking in the window of a virtual shop !!!

degsyspesh Posted on 23/12/2011 00:49
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Adi......


Link: Ease the pain...

Repat_Smoggie Posted on 23/12/2011 00:50
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What makes me wonder is when I walk by in a suit and the freaks in tracksuits are staring at me for looking different. Does that make me the freak??

norfolkred1 Posted on 23/12/2011 00:52
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No mate, just the accused

American_Mary Posted on 23/12/2011 00:53
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Probably think you're CID....

Repat_Smoggie Posted on 23/12/2011 00:54
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If I didn't know better I'd think that was the likely answer myself. Fair point.

norfolkred1 Posted on 23/12/2011 00:57
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Sad but true

TallyHo Posted on 23/12/2011 01:10
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Adi did you REALLY witness all of those events, I go shopping quite often in Middlesbrough and whilst it has it's fair share of chavs etc. I don't find it to be any worse than most other shopping centres in the UK.

I really think you need to get your head out of your ar5e and stop trying to be some higher than mighty superior being who the mere mortals should bow down to.

And that goes for the rest of you who agree with him.

Heine Posted on 23/12/2011 01:37
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You want to try Hartlepool mate

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 23/12/2011 01:46
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Well I was in Boro town centre this afternoon and I saw very similar things to those which Adi saw.

Doesn't make Boro any worse than any other town or city though. I've seen the same sort of thing in London, Leeds, Newcastle etc. It's just the way it is and it isn't exclusive to Middlesbrough.

borobuddah Posted on 23/12/2011 01:49
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Nowt to do with Boro, same the country over,so what? there are more good folks tha[smi]n bad.

degsyspesh Posted on 23/12/2011 01:52
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It's the same everywhere - doesn't matter whether it's Boro or Harrogate. Personally I see it as a source of amusement that lightens my mood and stops me punching the next stupid bitch who dumps her trolley diagonally in the middle of a packed shopping aisle.....

OPEO Posted on 23/12/2011 06:05
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More Boro Bashing. Feck off back to whence you came.[:D]

100Rod100 Posted on 23/12/2011 06:06
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there's scutters everywhere you go.

there's plenty here in australia, but theyre called bogans.

toothless scruffy tw@ts with cheap clothes on - weird shorts, singlet (vest) and thongs (flip flops) - often these scutters dont even bother with footwear.

HolgateSp1kes Posted on 23/12/2011 06:27
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Tell me somewhere, where it's different

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 07:18
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I'm not claiming Middlesbrough is any different to anywhere else, it's just that I didnt go to Liverpool, Manchester, Stoke or Coventry today. I'm sure it's the same everywhere, I'm more making a comment on social standards than I am having a go at Middesbrough.

Tally Ho - yes, I did witness them and that's why I posted that I did. As for the suggestion that my head is up my arse I'm really not sure where that comes from or why you're getting upset. Unless you were one of the people in the original post.

I'm not trying to be anything and I don't believe that anyone ought to bow down to me. I am simply posting about things I've just seen that remind me why I Internet shop whenever I can.

As I say, if it upsets you so then there little that I can do about that or that I want to do about it.

fridaynighttipple Posted on 23/12/2011 07:24
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I've walked past the pig iron in both the last 2 days, XXXXXX me you want to see the pond life in there.

celestial_teapot Posted on 23/12/2011 07:36
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I think the expletives being screamed by husband and wife and from father to daughter were probably caused by Christmas Shopping Stress. Although it isn't pleasant to see that sort of behaviour on the streets of the UK it isn't unusual or confined to Middlesbrough.

Throwing rubbish away is also widespread among a whole range of people in UK society, this is isn't restricted to chavs, most smokers, gum chewers, anyone who carries round the detritus of packaging that life is littered with tends to throw stuff away rather than wait until they come across a bin

As for the pregnant girl smoking like a chimney, that's incredibly sad, education is the only thing that would have helped her unborn child, what hope does the baby have with a mother that ignorant [of the dangers of smoking whilst pregnant]

You might have seen this in Middlesbrough, but it could easily have been Leeds, Liverpool or London

joseph99 Posted on 23/12/2011 07:36
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Viv Anderson is spot on and being a non-insular/non-provincial individual can verify these social standard are not exclusive to Middlesbrough. They do seem exclsuive to Labour controlled areas, which really exposes the dangers for working classes relying solely on left wing politics.

ghostfox Posted on 23/12/2011 07:52
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Im in the boro centre for about 4 hours every sunday afternoon and ive never seen any of the things you describe.
You get the doley scruffy teenagers with girlfriend and kids Swearing now and then but overall boro centre is a nice clean place.
Stockton town is a lot worse for wandering smackhead types, although they do tend to keep close to the cash converter type of shop.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 08:12
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As I've said, I'm not suggesting it's different to anywhere else I've been, just a reminder as to why I shop on the Internet.

I was in London last week. Some horrific sights there too.

BillBones Posted on 23/12/2011 08:17
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*Different from

*Similar to

How many more times?

bryan_munich Posted on 23/12/2011 08:20
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There's a correlation between this and having a lot of poor people with no ambition, confidence or aspiration beyond the next fag, DVD etc.

People in this country are also unhappy atm.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 08:25
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As many times as I wish Bill. I suggest you check up the usage. As I said on the other thread, both forms are acceptable in modern language.

BillBones Posted on 23/12/2011 08:39
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It's true, some academics says that 'different to' is acceptable. However, some academics insist that 'yous' is acceptable. My linguistics tutor always told me to think of divergent arrows for 'different' and convergent arrows for 'similar'. You'd never say that something 'differs to' something else.

It is a common mistake like confusing 'sat' and 'sitting' or pronouncing H as 'haitch'.

The_same_as_before Posted on 23/12/2011 08:48
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Last week in Gran Via Madrid I saw a bloke smack his child across the head, until to be fair me and two others told him to pack it in. The litter and general debrise was 100 times than you would ever see in the town, on the whole washing your hands after going to the loo is seen as lunacy, one in three shops had people in cardboard sleeping, and there were a lot of pished up people. I was felt far more threatened there than I ever would in Middlesbrough.

I think you need to get out more, try Hyde in Manchester of you want to see professional chavs.

birkbeck_dj Posted on 23/12/2011 09:24
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"
Viv Anderson is spot on and being a non-insular/non-provincial individual can verify these social standard are not exclusive to Middlesbrough. They do seem exclsuive to Labour controlled areas, which really exposes the dangers for working classes relying solely on left wing politics"

Well, I see these things in true blue Tory Bromley so this must expose the dangers of the middle-classes relying solely on right wing politics.

I'm curious to know what you edited by the way. It is good form to add a note what it was you edited, be it a spelling mistake or factual error.

ItalianJob Posted on 23/12/2011 09:51
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The Pig Iron is a magnet for the scum of Boro, especially on a match day.

Last home game there were two scrotes outside having a jolly chat about how funny it was that one of them was banned from the pub. Every other word in each sentence consisted ofXXXXXX, XXXXXX, w@anker.

On the other hand, the Medicine Bar is the complete opposite, nice and quiet, sky sports to watch, fit as XXXXXX barmaids [:D] and toilets that aren't covered in $hite

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 10:08
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No bill because those would actually be mistakes whereas mine isn't.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 10:11
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Thanks the same as before but I've answered that point repeatedly and I get out plenty, thanks.

nor_mate Posted on 23/12/2011 10:11
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I was in town last night after work, popped into Primark with our lass, and as we were coming out, a scruffy chunt woman was being told to leave by the security lads, one of them saying "look, you're out because you've just punched a 12 year old in the face" [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

bororeddaz Posted on 23/12/2011 10:19
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I nearly started this thread on Wednesday after going into Middlesbrough centre, Stockton centre and then Teesside Park.
Middlesbrough was full of orange girls and tracksuits but Stockton (as usual) took it to another level. A woman was pushing two tracksuited teenagers in 1 wheelchair, she was screaming at the lad "stop it, STOP IT" before stopping, taking his trainer off and belting him with it.
I blame public transport as the bus station seems to be the portal for low lifes. Teesside Park isn't plagued with them

Brick_Tamland Posted on 23/12/2011 10:28
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RobFMTTM - can you provide a bit of balance here? 'Middlesbrough is a wonderful place with exciting cultural attractions like MIMA, etc.'

bororeddaz Posted on 23/12/2011 10:40
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Brick? where tf have you been?

degsyspesh Posted on 23/12/2011 10:46
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"A woman was pushing two tracksuited teenagers in 1 wheelchair, she was screaming at the lad "stop it, STOP IT" before stopping, taking his trainer off and belting him with it."

PMSL [:D][:D][:D]

bororeddaz Posted on 23/12/2011 11:02
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you just dont get that class of pondlife in Tesco IB

Ian_Bairds_Ears Posted on 23/12/2011 11:08
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Right...Im not having this like.

The Boro is a thousand per cent better than it used to be..I was shopping there the other day ( one man alone against the odds) and had a great few hours.Nice coffee bars,great shops,pleasant staff,clean.

Yes there were chavs around but its the Boro.
Demographically its social deprivation is almost the worst in the country.

But its fighting back.The Boro has a thriving night life great bands great comedy shows wicked places to eat...

I LOVE THE BORO ME.

But Tony i love you more..

Come on the Boro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ref][ref][^][^][^][^]

BillBones Posted on 23/12/2011 12:18
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Sigh. You try and educate people but they prefer to 'Google' things. Hey ho.


Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 16:38
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Very generous of you. I haven't googled anything thanks. I've had the same discussion a few times. I'm sorry to have to tell you that I am right but that's the reality.

BillBones Posted on 23/12/2011 16:57
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Bless you. I would point it out if any of my students said it and I would never say it in a million years. It's about standards though. Fowler deems it OK but The Queen's English Society abhor it.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 17:06
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You're a barrel of laughs. Nothing to do with standards, simply whether it's incorrect or not, which it isn't. That you seem to want to point it out repeatedly on a public messageboard is quite strange.

BillBones Posted on 23/12/2011 17:10
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You seem like a barrel of laughs. You're arguing too. I'll stick with those linguists who deem it incorrect. You stick with those who say it's correct. There you go. No more to say.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 17:13
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Yeah but you started it.

Merry Christmas!

bill_door Posted on 23/12/2011 17:14
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"There you go. No more to say."

Adi says it differently to Bill, Bill says it differently from Adi.

Live and let live, we can't all be similar from everyone else.[smi]

flaps Posted on 23/12/2011 17:15
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fukc off bill

BillBones Posted on 23/12/2011 17:16
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[:X]

bill_door Posted on 23/12/2011 17:18
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"fukc off bill"

Meant for Bones, I presume?

I'm only posting to try and keep awake, I didn't realise my post was that poor.[:D]

Smoggy_Dave Posted on 23/12/2011 17:20
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I always found the moshes near the BBC Screen (old man's park or whatever it used to be called) more bother then anything else!

Holgate88 Posted on 23/12/2011 17:21
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I saw you there Adi, could see right up your nostrils.
You need to blow your nose mate[^]

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 18:31
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Erm, what?

grantus Posted on 23/12/2011 18:38
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Ian_bairds_ears.

Completely agree. [^]

If they're no slating the club, they're slating the town.

Up the boro!

Holgate88 Posted on 23/12/2011 18:46
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Looking down on everyone! You must wipe your @rse with gold leaf do u. Why come on here and slag the town off? Get a life

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 18:59
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I suggest you read what I've actually written rather than react to what you think I've written. This was not a criticism of Middlesbrough, though why such criticism is out of bounds I don't know. The place isn't perfect and as a local lad I'm entitled to give any comment I wish.

In any event, this thread was more about the perils of shopping generally and the reason I try and avoid it if I can. It just so happens that this shopping trip was in Middlesbrough. It could just have easily read anywhere else in the country, though why I'd be shopping in Coventry given that I'm from here is anyone's guess.

grantus Posted on 23/12/2011 19:09
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Relax adi, you've escaped with your life and live to fight another day. You can take your foot off the pedal now and reel your elbows back in. Pour yourself an eggnog and forget about your harrowing experience mixing with the riff raff.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 23/12/2011 19:31
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in Boro today, plenty of people & lots of smiles though some scowls, cursing & humbug as I imagine you would find anywhere in the world at a busy time.

Merry Christmas & up the Boro!

BillBones Posted on 23/12/2011 21:52
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'I was reminded today why I try to avoid shopping in Middlesbrough wherever possible'.

'This was not a criticism of Middlesbrough'.

Somewhat misleading and contrary.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 23/12/2011 21:57
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Snob.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/12/2011 23:30
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Only if you're a bit dim Bill. Even so I then went on to clarify anyway so only the painfully pedantic would continue to miss the point.

I will clarify again. The town referred to was not the important point, rather the modern shopping experience that I suspect is the same in most towns and what appears to me to be generally dropping standards in society was the thrust of the post.

Having said all of that I struggle to see the problem even if I were critical of Middlesbrough and that behaviour.

If I'm a snob to suggest that such behaviour is simply unacceptable then so be it.

LoinerSmoggies Posted on 23/12/2011 23:43
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I couldn't think of anything worse than visiting all the pound shops in Middlesbrough today doing my Christmas shopping so glad I have Harvey Nichols,Flannels and Victoria Quarters in Leeds to spend my hard earned money in

AyresomeAvenger Posted on 24/12/2011 01:53
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Leeds has a huge Primark and plenty of pound shops of its own to go alongside its overpriced boutiques.

enigma17 Posted on 24/12/2011 01:56
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People always go on about how shocking Boro is these days. It's always fine when I'm there though. [?]

Maybe I'm just one of those scruffs and it's all normal to me?

Only_Me Posted on 24/12/2011 07:20
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" "A woman was pushing two tracksuited teenagers in 1 wheelchair, she was screaming at the lad "stop it, STOP IT" before stopping, taking his trainer off and belting him with it."

" PMSL "


LOL I laughed at that too. It must be the way you tell 'em!

I braved the town today too ( Friday ) and I can't say that I noticed too much amiss amongst the general public, though apparently things nearly came to fisticuffs in Iceland between a man and a woman, I don't know what it was all in aid of, I just heard the commotion from the other end of the shop and later, I did see a youngish couple heading the way of a really good Xmas break up when she refused to let him wander into CEX and as good as dragged him away while he whinged that he'd been in all the shops that she had wanted to go to and that was the only one he wanted to have a look in and so on. I can't see that relationship lasting, not once he learns to man up a bit [:P]
Other than that, it all seemed ok, busy though and I'm just about to get ready to go and have another trot round to see what else I can find. I hope it will be fairly quiet [sad]
Anyroadup, I hope you all have a very merry Christmas.[smi]

joseph99 Posted on 24/12/2011 08:02
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I hadn't realised there was an editing protocol? Interesting to note in a sea of anonymity [:D] Delusions of grandeur or what! [;)]

Interesting to also note that much of the affluence in Bromley live in gated communities to keep the socially deprived minority in their place. An example of a party looking after their voters, perhaps. Also interesting to note also that I've never voted Tory in my life [:D]

hadnt replaced with hadn't [^]

mwelolo Posted on 24/12/2011 08:42
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Middlesbrough town centre is a schit hole, end of....no need for apologies.


BillBones Posted on 24/12/2011 08:44
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Only if you're a bit dim? You're incredible Adi. If you can't see that as contrary then you're beyond help. You said that you were reminded why you don't shop in Middlesbrough. You didn't say that you were reminded why you don't shop in town centres. When people took umbrage, you backtracked. I have no problem with you slating Middlesbrough town centre. Just don't pretend you were slating town centres in general as you're opening sentence more than suggests otherwise.

Resorting to insults smacks of desperation by the way.

BillBones Posted on 24/12/2011 08:51
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We were shopping in York yesterday and it was a very pleasurable experience. It was very different from Middlesbrough.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 24/12/2011 08:53
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Having been in italy since october, and observing peoples behaviour and dignity, you do think you have travelled back in time when back home, like i was yesterday in stockton and middlesbrough

But the people, chavs etc, are just a by product of the system, they cannot be criticised for this reason, but culturally, the english lower working classes really are close to the bottom of the pile when it comes to class and education, and not one penny of blame should be apportioned to them for that reason, i think it is sad

mwelolo Posted on 24/12/2011 08:53
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Agreed, I was there last weekend - another world.

bryan_munich Posted on 24/12/2011 08:57
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Middlesbrough town centre is a schit hole, end of....no need for apologies.
____________
The place is fine, it's some of the people that are the problem but that's a wider social problem.

bryan_munich Posted on 24/12/2011 09:07
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But the people, chavs etc, are just a by product of the system, they cannot be criticised for this reason, but culturally, the english lower working classes really are close to the bottom of the pile when it comes to class and education,
________
Agree. We are historically a barbaric warmongering island nation where the lower orders down the generations know their place in the class structure and as cannon fodder.


bryan_munich Posted on 24/12/2011 09:10
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Having been in italy since october, and observing peoples behaviour and dignity, you do think you have travelled back in time when back home, like i was yesterday in stockton and middlesbrough
_________
Difficult to make comparisons to Italy with its strong family structure, warm climate and shared boundaries.

mwelolo Posted on 24/12/2011 09:11
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Do we differ greatly from any other western society in this respect?

Brick_Tamland Posted on 24/12/2011 09:12
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Daz - I'm still around. Looking forward to Hull on Monday. Have a merry christmas.

Marc_Feld Posted on 24/12/2011 09:13
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You want to have a wander around Portsmouth city centre. Middlesbrough is Alliance Premier Screwfix third division compared to the Pompey chavs. Especially the subhuman interlopers from Leigh Park which makes Grove Hill look like South Kensington. I'd rather travel another 10 miles and shop in Southampton.
Having said that, Middlesbrough does have the whip hand in the aggressive women stakes.

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 09:45
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You're taking it too personally Bill. Don't upset yourself, I wasn't suggesting you were dim, far from it.

I was, however, pointing out, once again, that you were wrong. I don't require any help thanks. It's really just as simple as my preceding post. You seem keener to pick up on semantics than simply discuss the topic, which is really quite odd.

As I've said, repeatedly, for anyone that may have been confused, I was not, for one minute, saying that Middlesbrough is worse than any other town centre in the country. It just so happens that it's the town centre I was in and the place where I'm from.

I made that clear within about a dozen posts of originating the thread and so snuffed out any possible confusion early on, before anyone really had any problem with it. I did that despite the opening post clearly criticising behaviour that occurred in Middlesbrough rather than criticising Middlesbrough.

Quite why, many posts later, you remain confused is a matter for you.

I'll put it as simply as I can. This was not a criticism of Middlesbrough as a town but rather of the whole shopping experience and what appears to me to be dropping social standards. In that sense it was very much a criticism of Middlesbrough, it's just one that can be applied to almost any other place in this country.

Hope that clears it all up for you.

Towell Posted on 24/12/2011 09:52
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I was there yesterday, don't know whether it's living away from home but I thought in the last year and a half it's got worse.

Seems that parents swearing at toddlers is now acceptable behaviour?

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 09:54
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Exactly Towell. That's what happened to me. I hadn't been there for so long that it seemed a really different place.

BillBones Posted on 24/12/2011 09:56
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Still seems contrary to me but that final post has cleared it up. Thank you.

I used to think you were a crashing bore Adi, who, despite very long posts, added nothing other than dull, slightly left of centre tedium. However, you seem to have some fire in your belly in this thread. I like it. I must bring out the best in you. It's been a pleasure sparring with you old chap.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 10:04
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Thanks, I think. You can't have read many of my posts if you don't think I've had fire in my belly!! That said, I only ever really contribute to football related threads. It's nice to have civilised debate with someone, I must say.

Anyhoo, have a great Christmas and New Year.

flaps Posted on 24/12/2011 10:07
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I wonder if those of you who found it so different in Italy spent time in their run-down, deprived high-unemployment areas?

Or are we comparing Milan, Rome and Venice to Teesside?

BillBones Posted on 24/12/2011 10:07
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In all serious. You are probably the most intelligent and literate poster on here. I just sometimes want to wind people up and fancy an argument/debate and you must have been the biggest challenge! Quite tragic. I accept that. I was just bored whilst the missus was in the bath...

BillBones Posted on 24/12/2011 10:09
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I think the medical name for it is 'Proudfoot Syndrome'...

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 10:18
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[:D]

HolgateCorner Posted on 24/12/2011 10:28
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Was this a serious thread?

I've been in town centres all over the country and the Boro is much the same as any of them.

York is a world class tourist destination, you would expect it to have a quaint shopping centre but we all know beyond the city walls it's as rough as they come.

The last time I was in Italy there were armed police walking the streets -no thank you.

This is yet another pointless thread unnecessarily running our area down, no more, no less.

red_shamrock Posted on 24/12/2011 11:17
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Most town are the same,as are it's people
Ivory towers come to mind.

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 11:19
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I can only presume HolgateCorner that you haven't actually read the thread, otherwise you would see I have answered that very point many, many times now.

HolgateCorner Posted on 24/12/2011 12:52
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I wasn't necessarily referring to your comments, although I do think you changed your argument part way through.

Your initial post referred to Middlesbrough in the title, inferring the chav behaviour was a local problem.

A lot of people jumped on the bandwagon making ridiculous comparisons with other places, some even abroad, that's what annoyed me.

I've lived and worked all over the country and Middlesbrough is no worse than a lot of places and a damned sight better than many in terms of inhabitants and locality.

boroskel65 Posted on 24/12/2011 13:11
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Did you see anything positive on your expedition into the wilds of Boro? Anything courteous? Anything amusing or interesting in a positive way?

r00fie Posted on 24/12/2011 13:21
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Aside from emotive debates about swearing at kids, Boro centre is the same as any other - same corporates selling the same crap. Same familiar logos and advertising.

Their are a few places of note, lest we`ve forgotten:

Boro`s gothic Town Hall.

The Princess Alice.

Boro Club Shop.

The Pastie Shoppe opposite.

Rob Nichols hidden bunker....

The cheapo barbers shop on Grange Road.

10 different bus routes to get from the Bus station to Stockton[:D][^]

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 15:32
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Nope I didn't change my argument at all. What I saw isn't exclusive to Middlesbrough as I've said. It is a local problem though, just as it is through the country. To argue otherwise is plain silly.

And no I didn't see anything heartwarming to share but that isn't a surprise. Most positive behaviour isn't explicit in the same way.

I really can't be any plainer about what the post meant.

If it makes anyone feel any better I was in London a few weeks ago and saw a charming lady swearing at and whacking her small son. His crime? Lagging behind it seemed.

Ian_Bairds_Ears Posted on 24/12/2011 15:37
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"Ian_bairds_ears.

Completely agree.

If they're no slating the club, they're slating the town.

Up the boro!"

Thank You Grantus..I am thinking of applying for the role of Ambassador for Middlesbrough.I shall take you with me to office old boy.

[ref]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/12/2011 15:40
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The only difference to any other major town or city is Boro have less people begging.

robbso Posted on 24/12/2011 15:58
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People havn"t got time to beg, they are too busy moaning about what a chithole the Boro is.[sad]

TallyHo Posted on 24/12/2011 16:38
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Had a fantastic morning shopping in Middlesbrough; I bought presents from Estee Lauder, Yves St Laurent, La Senza, New Look, M&S, Boots, The Body Shop, The Boro Shop and Argos. I also bought some pork pies from Newboulds mmmm. Took me 2 1/2 hours which included a pleasant coffee break in M&S cafe.

After reading this thread yesterday I purposefully kept my eyes peeled for chain smoking pregnant women, parents kicking the living daylights out of their off spring, husbands and wives trading punches and little scrotes using the pavements as litter bins. All washed down with tirades of fowl language coming from every other person I saw.

Well surprise surprise, I witnessed none of the above; in fact the whole shopping experienced was thoroughly enjoyable. The shop assistants couldn't have been more helpful with every one of them being really friendly.

Adi, how many times in this thread are you going to backtrack from your original post???
You plainly were having a go at Middlesbrough; as I said earlier, get your head from up your own ar5e you snob.

guyb Posted on 24/12/2011 16:43
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My bro wanted a tracksuit from the club shop for xmas. I said "what for? Did you lose your job?"

Happy Xmas Y'all.

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 16:51
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I've said it before Tally, I have no reason to backtrack from anything. Had I intended this to be a criticism of Middlesbrough then it would have been. Quite why that would ever be a problem is beyond me. Perhaps it's because of the small time, insulated folk like yourself, I don't know. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Middlesbrough and I would have no difficulty in doing so. So, putting your pettiness aside, I can assure you that there is no reason for me to backtrack and I stand by every post I've written.

I'm pleased that you had an enjoyable shopping experience. I didn't. That's life. In my view what I witnessed yesterday simply wouldn't have happened 20 years ago. Maybe that's rose tinted glasses but there you have it. That was the point of the thread. So either try and understand or don't, either way is fine by me.


JimmyFloydPiggybank Posted on 24/12/2011 16:59
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Normally shop in Leeds or York, but Middlesbrough has lost for shopping and nights out.

City status not a chance

TallyHo Posted on 24/12/2011 17:00
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Adi

"I was reminded today why I try to avoid shopping in Middlesbrough wherever possible. Sadly, I had to be there today."

I rest my case.

Why are you describing me as small time and insulated?

Bill_Leather Posted on 24/12/2011 17:13
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Without wishing to add to the hammering you're getting on this thread, Adi, it's too easy to be seduced by a narrative of decline view of the world (or the Boro whichever you did intend). And so you might think the things you 'saw yesterday wouldnt have happened 20 years ago' - like people spitting, arguing, fighting, smoking whilst pregnant, eating pasties, and dropping litter - but plainly you'd be wrong. Wouldn't you?

onthemap Posted on 24/12/2011 17:19
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Adi, why on earth are you trying to apologise? Your opening post reflects what you experienced.
If Tally Ho can't handle the fact that his hometown centre is no longer a pleasant place to shop then that's his problem,
and The fact that chavs aren't exclusive to Middlesbrough is neither here nor there.

He's the insecure one, stop accommodating him.

Oh and Merry Christmas.

HolgateCorner Posted on 24/12/2011 17:31
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Rubbish on the map, if Adi posts a load of bollxxxs and then changes his stance a few times, has a love in with bill door and then tries to be intellectual and superior all in the same thread then he deserves everything he gets.

zzzzz Posted on 24/12/2011 17:37
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Have you ever done any shopping in Darlo? [B)]

Makes the Boro look like Harrods.

Adi, regardless of your corrections your original post does have more than a whiff of snobbery about it.

But like mappy said (who's a self confessed snob anyway) so what? Your squirming is just making it worse. [:P]

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 17:49
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I'm really struggling to see any backtracking or squirming. As I've already explained countless times. If people don't understand what I've posted I'm sure I won't lose any sleep.

It is a criticism of Middlesbrough of that there is no doubt. The difficulty people seem to be having is getting their heads around the notion that I'm not saying its better or worse than anywhere else.

As I've said if I'm a snob for not enjoying seeing those things then fine.

Oh, and if that's your case rested then you won't be surprised to hear that you've lost it, by a considerable margin.

Merry Christmas mappie.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 24/12/2011 18:15
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I think it is the fact that you have chosen to focus on the few people who behave appallingly, rather than the majority who do not which smacks of misanthropy and snobbery.
There are and always will be people who are XXXXXXs. But to state you avoid whole towns and prefer to do your Christmas shopping without any human contact, makes it seem as if you are equating this behaviour with everyone but yourself.

junkyard_angel Posted on 24/12/2011 18:37
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If I didn't want to single out Middlesbrough I would have called my thread 'An afternoon shopping' and would have started the message with 'I was reminded today why I try to avoid shopping wherever possible.'

tommy67 Posted on 24/12/2011 18:37
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In Town yesterday women said to her husband "is it alright to have pease pudding with our chicken for xmas dinner" he replied "cause it is pet you can have whatever you like" Its things like this that put us in Boro a step up from the rest.[^]

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 19:37
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I've already said you focus on the poor behaviour because the good stuff isn't in your face. It seems to me that poor behaviour is on the increase.

Criticising threads because of the choice of one word is just ridiculous. The intention is clear and I it wasn't I've clarified. People either accept it or they don't.

boroskel65 Posted on 24/12/2011 19:59
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I spent 90 minutes shopping in Middlesbrough today, but I must apologise: I forgot to wear my cravat.

TallyHo Posted on 24/12/2011 21:54
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onthemap

I visualise you tapping Adi on the bottom when you attempt to qualify his posts. I'm sure you two have a long and meaningful relationship.

You state that I can't handle my hometown centre no longer being a pleasant place to shop.

Between your good friend Adi and yourself you have assumed that I am small time, insulated and my home town is Middlesbrough. All of which is incorrect.

Why is it that if someone disagrees with your posts you have to make assumptions that they are inferior to yourselves?

I can assure you that I have lived and worked in numerous locations throughout the world and have shopped in some of the most renowned cities.

Your inference to my situation without attempting to qualify your assumptions adds to my theory that you are snobs who disregard basic facts to prove your theories.

Adi your fellow countrymen are facing life and death situations on a daily basis in places like Afghanistan and all you have to get stressed about is that fact that there are a few unsavory characters interfering with your Christmas shopping experience.

Do me (and yourself) a favour and get a life!!!

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 22:30
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Do you not think you might be taking this all a bit too seriously? It's Christmas Eve, calm down and enjoy yourself. Look, you've proven that you don't understand the point of the thread and there's little I can do to change that. However, there are a few points to pick you up on.

"Your inference to my situation without attempting to qualify your assumptions adds to my theory that you are snobs who disregard basic facts to prove your theories."

I'm not sure that really makes any sense whatsoever. Are you saying that you coming across as insular, which you did since you didn't seem able to come to terms with the notion of Middesbrough being criticised, proves that I am a snob disregarding facts (which facts exactly?) to prove my theories (which theories?)?

"Why is it that if someone disagrees with your posts you have to make assumptions that they are inferior to yourselves?"

What you mean like calling them and all that might agree with them a snob, calling them a liar, telling them they have their head up their arse? That sort of thing?

"Adi your fellow countrymen are facing life and death situations on a daily basis in places like Afghanistan and all you have to get stressed about is that fact that there are a few unsavory characters interfering with your Christmas shopping experience. "

That's cheap even for you. By that rationale none of us should get stressed with anything in our day to day lives, which I'm sure we all do. Just so you know, it didn't stress me but thanks for the concern. 

If all you have to get stressed about is your impression that someone you've never met has criticised Middlesbrough on a message board then you might want to get a life. There are people facing life and death situations you know. On a daily basis. In places like Afghanistan.

robbso Posted on 24/12/2011 22:34
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It"s a good job you arn"t taking it all too seriously aswell Adi, it could turn nasty[;)]

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 22:38
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I'm just playing Robbso. Kids are in bed, wife is fast asleep but I only need a few hours kip so I've got the laptop, some nice wine and a lovely Christmas film on.

Oh and I've got to eat mince pies and carrots shortly!

onthemap Posted on 24/12/2011 22:39
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Tally Ho, calm down precious, you sound like the advert for Ferrero Rocher .....best shopping venues in the world my arse, you've nevre been over Ormesby Bank.

robbso Posted on 24/12/2011 22:40
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Let me just say i"m envious. I have a bottle of water at least.

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 22:42
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Sorry to hear that. You working?

robbso Posted on 24/12/2011 22:45
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Only 7 hours to go.[smi]

I better not eat any more pies though, these chimneys are getting narrower.

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 22:50
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[:D]

You can give our house a miss, there are too many toys here as it is!

boro74 Posted on 24/12/2011 22:54
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I've lived in Germany since 1979 and only come back to Boro about once a year. One thing I've noticed down the town is that there seems to be loads of fat young birds pushing pushchairs with toddlers eating sausage rolls. I can't remember it being like that 30 years ago. Is it just me?

robbso Posted on 24/12/2011 22:55
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Adi, i"m originaly a Southbank lad, i could help you lose a few, what time you turning in[:D]

Boro, it was Pasties in those days.[;)]

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 22:56
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Nothing wrong with Southbank and woe betide you if you suggest otherwise!

robbso Posted on 24/12/2011 22:58
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I never would, i visit often and have loads of mates there.

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 23:02
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I was just kidding!

robbso Posted on 24/12/2011 23:02
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I wasn"t, what time are you going to bed[:P]

onthemap Posted on 24/12/2011 23:04
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There are more and more kids tucking into Middlesbrough mouth organs every time I visit. (Greggs pasties)

Adi_Dem Posted on 24/12/2011 23:08
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Shortly, but I'm not convinced you'd deliberately cause two young kids a teary eyed Christmas morning.

Vasily_Rats Posted on 24/12/2011 23:41
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Tally..Bally..Ho..

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[;)]

[8]

krusty_knickers Posted on 24/12/2011 23:54
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Not sure what all the fuss is about. Channel 4 already proved that Boro is the 5hittest place to live - FACT!!!