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Downing_Boro Posted on 14/12/2011 09:32
Train fare dodger - assault or doing the right thing?

A little scrote refuses to buy a ticket or leave the train then swears at the ticket conductor and holds the train up.

Big bloke comes along, picks him up and launches him on the platform. Full marks to the man I say, the lad deserved what he got.

Plenty of comments on the video disagreeing saying its assault. I don't think so, should learn some respect, would happily buy the big bloke a pint.


Link: Bloke throws scrote off train

Dustbin_Man Posted on 14/12/2011 09:36
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I threw some woman off a bus who refused to pay, when she was lying in the road I threw her bags of shopping out too, the contents went everywhere. She reckoned that she didn't have to pay like the rest of us cos she was retired. Bollox! That'll teach her!!

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 09:42
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I suspect this one will just split on the usual lefty doyle rara v EDL bedwetter basis.

So, assault for me. Just because you're a Big Ned rather than a little Ned, you can't get away with throwing someone head first off a train.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 09:44
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I once (with another bloke) had to restrain a pizzed up chav on a train, who was threatening the ticket inspector until the next stop where the police boarded and took him away - he tried to make a complaint about us to the coppers, but they basically laughed in his face [:D]

Downing_Boro Posted on 14/12/2011 09:48
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Sometimes in life the law shouldn't be applied to each and every letter.

This idiot wasn't going to go, he was causing problems for everyone else and was being a general nuisance. The bloke didn't seem to be looking for trouble, he gave plenty of chance for the lad to do as the ticket conductor said, he didn't so he got rid of him. Coppers would basically have done the same except cuffed him, and would have took much more time for them to turn up.

Simmo7484 Posted on 14/12/2011 09:49
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100% doing the right thing.[^][^]

Edwin Posted on 14/12/2011 09:50
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Hardly assault. He just picks him up & dumps him off the train. If he had got off himself then leathered him thats a bit different.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 14/12/2011 09:51
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He should have thrown him under the train.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 09:52
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[:D]

Terrible hat too.

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 09:52
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Piggy, how would you have resolved the situation?

I really fear for the future where the rights of a fare dodger comes before the rights of law abiding ticket holders, I really do worry about how this country is heading.
Me? Im moving to the country, and buying a big gun, for , the er rabbits, yerno, and other vermin on my property.
Ill leave the Towns and Citys to people like yourself.
As has been said, the bigman was very reserved and calm, he did absolutly right.

Evil Posted on 14/12/2011 09:55
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The ticket inspector was quite an old bloke, and was probably quite intimidated by the lad.

So, fair enough, someone helped him out.

The kid doesnt really deserve much niceties, and will probably learn a lesson or two about how he treats people from it.

So, in my book, its a yes from me.

EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 14/12/2011 09:55
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When the working classes step out of line, they need the rough treatment.

They all secretly yearn for it even.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 10:05
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If I was the ticket collector, I'd have called the railway police, borotmt. If I was Big Ned, I'd have kept reading my paper until they arrived.

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 10:09
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Piggy, I half understand but dont you see that this sort of behaviour is a result of no one wanting to get involved? I mean , yes, what if the young lad had a knife? but that what these scumbags relie on.... fear.
Id have checked it out , then done the same as the big guy, I have in the past including a citzens arrest on a mugger whils most of Albert Road just stood and stared.
It disgusts me the cowardice of modern life.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 10:10
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[^]

MightyDuck Posted on 14/12/2011 10:15
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if more things were resolved like that, we'd end up with much less problems with little scum bags who think they can do whatever they want.

however, if the big man gets charged with assault, it opens the floodgates for little scum bags to get even worse

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 10:17
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I dont see the relevance in the knife comment. He wasnt being threatening, he didnt get out of his seat or raise his hands. He just insisted that he'd shown the conductor his ticket. If anything it was the conductor who escalated the situation. He should have just let the train depart and phoned ahead for the railway police to meet the train at the next stop.

Nothing the kid did warranted being thrown head first out of a train.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 10:18
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"Nothing the kid did warranted being thrown head first out of a train."


[8)] not buying a ticket, and obviously refusing to buy one when asked...

zaphod Posted on 14/12/2011 10:23
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The ticket inspector was authorised to throw him off the train and he in turn authorised the big guy to do it for him. All completely legal.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 10:23
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And if he'd fractured his skull or broken his neck? Would that be ok if he didnt have the right ticket?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 10:24
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So if he doesnt buy a ticket, he has the right to stay on the train?


Holgatewall Posted on 14/12/2011 10:24
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He'd have a field day on the last York-Boro train on a Saturday.

Avoid at all costs.[sad]

And he was right in my view.

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 10:25
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Piggy, I meant that it could have been fool hardy to interfere as the lad could...., I thought that was the reason behind you not wanting to get involved.

Im sorry, letting him stay on?!?!, thats what he wanted, he'ed then do a runner ( as the rail bobbies wouldnt be there) and Laugh at all the soft feckers who pay the full fare.
Ive got to say this Piggy, YOU MUST GET TROD IN THE DIRT WITH YOUR ATTITUDE, STAND UP AND BE ONE, why should people like the bigman, do this whilst people like you "pull the paper up" you must have been scared chitless since leaving your mammies house.

bororeddaz Posted on 14/12/2011 10:26
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"I once (with another bloke) had to restrain a pizzed up chav on a train."
Fanny


Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 10:27
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you would have loved it Darren, the struggle would have aroused you [8)]

rumrunner Posted on 14/12/2011 10:33
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Having been travelling up and down the East coast line for more years than i care to remember , I have seen this happen a few times and been involved once
the unfortunate thing in this instance it was on film
the guy was bang on right to do it, why should the rest of us be held up while some scrote thinks he can behave how he likes
we generally have people or taxis waiting to pick us up etc
Absaloutly nothing will happen to him common sense and public opinion will see to that but you will always get idiots jumping into support any stupid cause with their "what if" theories
Well done that big un

bobs_cock Posted on 14/12/2011 10:36
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Ive not seen this video as cant get on youtube at work but apparently the lad had bought a ticket but got on the wrong train and tried to reason with the conductor who was having none of it?

Evil Posted on 14/12/2011 10:36
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You could analyze it, break it down and put a whole host of 'what-ifs' on the situation, but the fact is, he didnt buy a ticket, he was aggressive, the ticket inspector was intimidated.

He got what he deserved, nothing more, nothing less.

Lets hope he learns a valuable lesson, that you can't just do what you want, when you want to do it.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 10:37
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So it's fine to assault kids if you are twice their size? If it had been Big Ned who hadnt got the right ticket then the conductor wouldnt have been anything like as confrontational.

It's not a case of being sh1t scared when leaving the house, it's a case of choosing not to be Billy Big Boll0x just because its a kid. He and you wouldnt have got involved if it hadnt been for the size advantage. Smack a kid around, great fun.

You can hear other people on the train pointing out that he's gone too far and the suppose round of applause sounds pretty muted to me.

We have laws and police for a reason. Leave it to them.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 10:39
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Piggy?... should be Pussy.

Grow a pair you wally.

degsyspesh Posted on 14/12/2011 10:41
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"And if he'd fractured his skull or broken his neck?..."

That summarises a great deal of what is wrong with this country - everyone is far far too worried about "what ifs" rather than just getting on and doing things.

In the hugely unlikely event that he'd fractured his skull or broken his neck then, yes, it would have been a pity, but the little f'cker should either of bought a ticket or got off the train when asked to do so.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 10:41
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Have you watched it Evil? The conductor was far from intimidated and was the only agressive one in the situation.

He should have managed the situation far better by calling for the police to meet the train. Its what he would have done if he had felt intimidated.

norfolkred1 Posted on 14/12/2011 10:43
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They had the fella who shot the video and an Ex-Copper on Breakfast this morning. The Copper said he should have reported it to BTP but the video fella just laughed it off and said don't think anyone could wait for 2 hours. The Copper was lost on that.
100% behind the big fella, little scrote deserved what he got

Evil Posted on 14/12/2011 10:45
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Im going against your opinion. He was a kid who needed to be taught a lesson.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 10:45
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"Grow a pair"

You don't need to grow a pair when you are twice the size of the kid you are assaulting.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 14/12/2011 10:45
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[^] Well done the "Big Man"

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 10:46
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{shakes head}



EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 14/12/2011 10:46
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A few years I was taking the Darlington-Saltburn train on a regular basis, sat there with my nose stuck in the air and all that.

I have to say that train fare dodgers-staff abuse was quite common. Excuses, rudeness and sob stories.

It makes everyone feel uncomfortable, not just the conductor/inspector.

Pondlife.

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 10:47
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Piggy, your a chit bag coward and deserve all that you will get in life ,,Oh, and the scum can spot people like you, so you WILL get it, hopefully someone will lend a hand when it happens and not walk away or "pull the paper up([|)]).
Meanwhile, Ill pop round you neighbours and burgle the house, knowing you wont do a thing, you sickening streak of pish.

I got mugged whan I was a kid and people just drove by,GAWPING, people LIKE YOU...
I have never done that and I am responsible for a good handful of citizens arrests, I will not allow the scum to win.
your family must be very proud .

degsyspesh Posted on 14/12/2011 10:52
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Piggy, are you on a wind up?

Downing_Boro Posted on 14/12/2011 10:53
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Kid? If he was a kid, maybe late teens, not a kid. Either way he swore at the conductor, definitely aggressive, fight fire with fire I say.

If you want to turn the situation and say it was the big ned in question being the t!t then I reckon the conductor would have done the same, however, I don't think anyone would have thrown him off, although they would have been right do so.

The bloke didn't throw a punch, kick or whatever else he just threw him off. Restrained him, whatever you want to call it, not violent.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 14/12/2011 10:53
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"If I was the ticket collector, I'd have called the railway police, borotmt."

And that would have held up the entire Edinburgh to Perth rail service for hours; the train would be blocking the track and delaying every other train behind it; all because one big mouthed, arrogant little ba5tard didn't want to pay his fare like everyone else has to?

And Piggy, this was no "kid" as you claim. He was a college student. The arrogant little cnut was old enough to know what he was doing was wrong.


Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 10:54
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Hey up, it's Bruce Wayne.

Nobody was being assaulted borotmt, nobody was being threatened. There was a ticketing dispute that the conductor should have referred to the Police. Because it was a kid he thought he'd make a fuss. Because it was someone half his size, Big Ned assaulted him.

MarlonD Posted on 14/12/2011 10:54
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The lad who got chucked off the train posts on here and was on his way to see his bird up there. FACT.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 14/12/2011 10:55
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So Piggy would it be ok for the lad in your view to intervene if he was a similar size?

I don't really see your point, the scrote was holding the train hostage and being abusive, passenger helped him off, job done, everyone goes home and gets on with their lives.

Downing_Boro Posted on 14/12/2011 10:57
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borotmt, your taking it a bit far, everyone to their own opinions, no need to start blasting piggy. I agree the big bloke was in the right, piggy doesn't, he sees things differently, no need to start accusing Piggy of other things too. Whether they may be true or not.

Truth be told I've actually met Piggy on a few occasions, he almost certainly doesn't know who I am from my username but would recognize me. From when I met him he seemed a decent bloke, you can't start judging people from opinions like this on a football messageboard. So chill out and let him argue his point.

Holgatewall Posted on 14/12/2011 10:59
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The wonders of modern technology and social media.

If it hadn't been filmrd by someone and posted no one would be any the wiser about the incident.

Probably the big man had had a XXXXXXe day and just wanted to get home!

Incidents like this probably occur very regularly but don't get coverage.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 11:06
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Thanks Downing, appreciate the character reference.

I suppose the point I'm making, perhaps not very well, is that I dont agree with people taking the law into their own hands.

You can hear people on the video being shocked at the force being used when the kid is literally thown from the train. What about if one of those people was Even Bigger Ned? Would it be ok for him to hurl Big Ned through the window?

I would hope that if you ever get into a ticketing dispute borotmt, that there isnt an impatient bloke with a short fuse sat nearby or you might find yourself getting yet another pasting.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 11:08
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"I dont agree with people taking the law into their own hands."

so now its nothing to do with the bloke being so much bigger than the 'kid'? ..

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 11:13
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Lee, only to the extent that I doubt he would have intervened if their statures had been reversed. It's easier being the 'Big Man' when you have the physical advantage.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 14/12/2011 11:15
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i used to nip on the trains all the time a few years back whilst the conductors where on strike and got free rides.

the cost of a ticket is disgusting

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 11:15
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I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one then piggy!

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 11:15
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Piggy YOUR AN ADMITTED COWARD,
I was mugged not pasted, I was 11 and my brother was nine and mugged by 3 teenagers, does that amuse you??????
I assure you my pastings were very few .
YOU HAVE NO CHARACTER , Cant you see??
This media is ideal for some one like you as you wont dare voice your opinion in an open forum.
Ive got a bad taste just communicating with a coward like you.
Its People like you that makes people like to scrote think they can gat away with it.
If you had any character your be ashamed about your general attitude but you dont so its no good me trying to explain[|)]

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 14/12/2011 11:16
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People who video incidents like this, instead of offering help, should be prosecuted. Instead they achieve their 15 minute fame while everyone sits in judgement of the guy who took action.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 14/12/2011 11:16
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The conductor dictates who gets on or off. It's the lad who was technically in breach of the law.

He was getting off that train, the only question left was when.

Manfriday Posted on 14/12/2011 11:17
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look at this guy throwing an Iphone off the train :)


Link: linky

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 11:20
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To be fair the Iphone didnt have a ticket... even though the fella in the orange was 100 times his size, it was the right thing to do [^]

Red_Matter Posted on 14/12/2011 11:20
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Ordinary Citizens CAN take the law into their own hands. You need to read relevant case law on the subject, Piggy.

Well done to the Citizen willing to intervene and swiftly deal with a little prat who thinks he can get away with everything, probably because the likes of you.

The day I stand idly by while some scrote tries to break the law with impunity is the day I pack up by Citizens badge. We all have a responsibility - we simply cannot turn a blind eye. If you do, you're part of the problem, mate.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 11:20
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You seem a bit stroppy borotmt, it's no wonder the big kids used to give you a hiding.


Vasily_Rats Posted on 14/12/2011 11:21
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BBC just want to get 20 million hits on youtube having seen "My Tram Experience" go nuclear.


Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 11:21
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"We all have a responsibility - we simply cannot turn a blind eye. If you do, you're part of the problem, mate"

well said.

Downing_Boro Posted on 14/12/2011 11:22
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bloody messageboard messing up my post... (double post sort of)

Downing_Boro Posted on 14/12/2011 11:23
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borotmt - does telling someone "they will get it" seem like a reasonable thing to say either? I think that may be why Piggy responded with the pasting comment.

Rather than calling people cowards and generally insulting them for disagreeing can't you have your say normally like the rest of us?

In response to Piggy, I'll have to say I disagree as sometimes (to a reasonable extent) I think it should be ok to take the law in your own hands, if thats what this is. Its the same principle as the argument of someone breaking into your house and what you do to them/don't do.

As for the bloke playing the big man, there's no way of saying, he may have knackers the size of basketballs and would do the same to an even bigger ned. But you are probably right most people wouldn't. No way of telling though.

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 11:24
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Piggy, you havnt got the skill to wind me up,
Oh' and Id rather be Clark Kent than Lois Lane.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 11:24
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Really, Red Matter, in ticketing disputes? You are allowed to hurl someone off a train so that they land face first on the platform? The least aggressive of the three characters involved was the kid.

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 11:26
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Ohhhhhh did he rip his jeans to?Pussy
God you feckin wimp

Downing_Boro Posted on 14/12/2011 11:27
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He was being aggressive as he swore.

And to get technical, he was being passive aggressive, massively so. By refusing to do as he was told, and rightly told, he knew he was causing conflict.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 11:28
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I'm not looking to wind you up borotmt, but judging from some of your posts it wouldnt take much.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 11:29
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...and where has this face first thing come from? Ive watched it and we have no idea how he landed.
He could have landed on his feet and came back with a round house for all we know...

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 11:32
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Pussy, you havnt wound me up,I pity people like you.[|)]

Lefty Posted on 14/12/2011 11:34
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Whatever happened to Gibbos exile anyway?

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 11:35
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So, passive aggressive. Call the Police then. The way the situation escalated we had Big and Little Ned colliding with the bloke by the door, we had Little Ned landing head first on the platform and people on the train shocked at the excessive force.

All over a ticketing dispute. The conductor should have radioed ahead and Big Ned should have stuck to reading his paper.

Manfriday Posted on 14/12/2011 11:36
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This is the full video. He does get hoyed off quite physically to be honest. Still deserved though


Link: Throw neddy from the train

TheSmogMonster Posted on 14/12/2011 11:37
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You've added so much speculation into the situation piggy it's getting hard to tell if you're being serious now.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 11:40
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Did you see the aggression of the kid trying to barge his way back on....assault that if i've ever seen it.

The big fella is lucky not to have broken ribs etc ....

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 11:42
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Maybe we've seen different versions of the video smogmonster. On the one I watched they definitely bash into the bloke with the family by the door as Big Ned wrestles Little Ned to the ground. Big Ned apologises.

Then when Little Ned tries to get back on for the bag containing his diabetes medicine you can see him thrown off for the second time. He doesnt land on his feet and there are pictures of Little Ned and his scraped head in today's papers.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 14/12/2011 11:46
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"Little Ned tries to get back on for the bag containing his diabetes medicine"

You're taking the mick.

And yeah you must be watching a different version of the video, I watched the one where the lad was applauded at the end.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 11:47
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Thats the directors cut, you want to watch disc 2, the making of, has interviews with the cast etc [^]

Manfriday Posted on 14/12/2011 11:49
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That's the one I've just posted. It must have been too violent for the BBC to show the full version

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 14/12/2011 11:49
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'Ned tries to get back on for the bag containing his diabetes medicine'

He didn't think this through, did he?

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 11:55
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I bet not many of you would have guessed that I read the Daily Mail


Link: Little Ned puts his side of the story

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 14/12/2011 12:18
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Imagine the outcry had that been a football spectator 'helping the stewards' and launching a young fan down the stairs in the south east corner for not sitting down. Another heinous offence.

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 12:20
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PIGGY
Why not? you make no sense elswhere.

Re the "diddums" story, he will be a bit more polite next time wont he.

Now Feck off and finish your embroidery

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 12:25
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And maybe when Big Ned has spent a few hours at the Police Station he will be a bit less reluctant to get his kicks from picking on kids half his size.

You arent wound up at all are you borotmt?

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 12:50
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Pathetic, go and have weep.

Lefty Posted on 14/12/2011 12:51
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It was Gibbos Empire not Gibbo's Exile I was thinking of.

Gene_Vincent Posted on 14/12/2011 12:53
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I think it's fair to say that Piggy isn't the kind of lad you'd want with you in the trenches when the bosch started firing.

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 12:56
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Other than to get a position on the sniper.
Perfettic[:D]

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 13:00
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Gene, I think I'd rather have people in the trenches who can maintain their discipline rather than some hothead with no patience.

Buzza Posted on 14/12/2011 13:03
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Top marks to the fella [^]. Anybody defending the little rascal should be thrown under a train[^]. If you refuse to pay in a bar or night club a "big man" is going to come and throw you out of the doors so why should a train be any different?

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 13:13
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Sorry Piggy, got to say this, Id shoot you in the back if you ever grew a big enough Pair to go over.
Conchi's had the balls to stick to their principles, youve just admitted that you would go despite being a self confessed coward, you really dont get it do you?

Capybara Posted on 14/12/2011 13:17
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Well there are several issues here, arenít there? The gut reaction is that the kid deserved what he got and thatís all there is to it. That was my first reaction. Thereís more to it than that. Firstly Iím not sure, and am prepared to be corrected, if zaphod is right and a conductor is authorised to physically throw a passenger off the train, let alone authorise someone else to do it. I believe the established procedure in situations such as these is that the conductor will allow the train to proceed to the next station and in the meantime call the police who will be waiting there to apprehend the miscreant. I have seen that done on a number of occasions. Having said that, as you can see from the vid, the train is at Linlithgow and the kid wanted to go to Polmont. That is the next station and is a short journey, thereís no guarantee the police would be there in time and, short of keeping the doors closed and therefore inconveniencing the rest of the passengers thereís not much the conductor could do to prevent the kid simply getting away. The kidís case is that he had been given the wrong ticket. Thatís perfectly possible though he should really have checked when he bought it. That said, in a situation like this if you explain the position to the conductor calmly you are more likely to get a sympathetic reaction than if you give abuse. Having said that, we donít know what happened before what we see in the video. Was the conductor overly aggressive from the start for example? Did he give the kid the opportunity to explain his position (if indeed he had one)? Or did the kid simply launch straight into abuse? So even if the physical removal from the train of one passenger by another is lawful, and Iíll need convincing, we donít know from the clip whether it was justifiable, where the line was and whether it had been crossed.

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 13:20
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Or rather proclaimed a coward by you. I dont see what was brave about Big Ned picking on a kid. I wouldnt intervene in a dispute over a ticket, why would you? If I saw you getting another one of your pastings thats a different matter and I'd like to think I would step in. But in a discussion over a ticket? Nothing brave about that, just some fella getting his rocks off by bullying a kid.

Evil Posted on 14/12/2011 13:22
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Capy [:D]

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 13:24
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"I wouldnt intervene in a dispute over a ticket, why would you"

Yes, why should i have to pay when others think they can get away with it?

Or bollox to it i wont either next time, as long as its a train full of piggys im home free [^]

norfolkred1 Posted on 14/12/2011 13:26
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If the Conductor said right stop the train, we'll wait until he pays up, you have got a rather more aggressive reaction from the passengers and no witnesses

COULBYBORO Posted on 14/12/2011 13:27
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This was discussed on Jeremy Vine yesterday,the bloke who filmed it and the lads father both spoke.The father was outraged,the other guy said the lad was abusive and foulmouthed for a good five-ten mins.as someone said,maybe the big guy had had a bad day,maybe the lad got the backlash for a thousand mouthy scrotes who have no respect for other people and a high degree of entitlement.
If each case is taken on merit,I support the big man.The lad brought it on himself,the old guard could get that tripe a dozen times a week.[V]

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 13:30
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And what if the kid was right Lee? Would you give the conductor a kicking?

What would you do at the Riverside if you saw a steward arguing with someone for sitting in the East stand when they had paid for a North East corner ticket? Would you launch yourself from the back row and give them what for?

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 13:34
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Piggy, you really are pathetic arnt you
" your many pastings"dear me, your using my attack when I was a child to ridicule me, really really really pathetic, have a serious word with your self.
Oh, and life isnt a choice of being "Brave " or being a Coward. But you have established you are a premeditated coward , a trully repulsive thing for a "man" to admit,and as far as "you stepping in" Id rather relie on the Dog Chit on my shoe.
You Sad Soft XXXXXXer, no doubt youll be applying for councilling after this thread.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 13:34
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"What would you do at the Riverside if you saw a steward arguing with someone for sitting in the East stand when they had paid for a North East corner ticket? Would you launch yourself from the back row and give them what for?"



No, because he has a ticket. [8)]

COULBYBORO Posted on 14/12/2011 13:35
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not a relevant comparison piggy,who's getting inconvienienced?.Whatever the rights or wrongs,I bet the lad learns to think before he speaks,and how he speaks next time.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 14/12/2011 13:37
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"Meanwhile, Ill pop round you neighbours and
burgle the house, knowing you wont do a thing,
you sickening streak of pish."

[:D] [:D] [cr]

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 13:42
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FFS borotmt, so you got your head kicked in by the big kids? Thats part of growing up.

When you are an adult, attacking someone half your size on a train because they may not have the right ticket isn't brave. It's bullying.

You may get off on the idea of sticking your snecker into situations that dont call for it but something like this doesnt warrant the superhero act.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 14/12/2011 13:44
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well it did becasue the old man in moon was having no joy shifting the little cnut.

borotmt Posted on 14/12/2011 13:50
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PIGGY.
I assume your the one who went WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
all the way home.


TheSmogMonster Posted on 14/12/2011 13:54
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Piggy do you think the young lad did anything wrong?

If he did then he's hardly been bullied.

'Man doing wrong gets puts in his place shocker'

Piggy Posted on 14/12/2011 13:54
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Not that I recall borotmt, but I'm going to now. Thats a whole afternoon I've spent on this thread and its time to knock off.

Fortunately I dont need to get the train home so wont have my bravery put to the test.

Night.

centralscrutinizer Posted on 14/12/2011 14:02
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There's a really good clip of a Deltic on that last YouTube link.

LennieLawrence Posted on 14/12/2011 15:42
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The Big Fella's got nothing to worry about. He was within his rights to do what he did. Here's why;

A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances to prevent crime. That's a fact. It says so in section 3(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1967.

Further, for the purposes of whether a use of force is justified turns on the circumstances as the user of that force reasonably perceived them to be, per section 76(6) of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008.

Whether or not the student was evading his fare or wilfully trespassing upon a railway (offences under section 5 of the Regulation of Railways Act 1889 and 16 of the Railway Regulation Act 1840)the circumstances were such for the Big Fella to reasonably believe that, by remaining on the train, the Chav would continue to commit those offences.

Moreover, the Chav's swearing and general behaviour was likely to cause others on the train alarm or distress. So he was, as both a matter of fact and law, committing an offence under section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986. On that basis, the Big Fella could reasonably conclude that, unless he was ejected, he would continue to do so.

For any or all of those reasons his use of force was justified and no more than reasonable (in so far as he didn't go beyond bundling the lad out, there is not alleged to have been an application of excessive force through the use of force by way of punches kicks etc.)

LucyBit Posted on 14/12/2011 16:28
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To be honest if I was on that train I would have just paid for a ticket for the kid so we could get going [^]

Pauluka Posted on 14/12/2011 16:29
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Lennie delivers the knock out blow [^]

borolad259 Posted on 14/12/2011 16:45
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Similar episode in Lancs a few weeks ago. Full train, noisy and abusive (drunk) twenty-something down the other end of the carriage. A fair few people getting upset by his behaviour...guard asked him several times to calm down and I think there was an issue with his ticket too. Guard simply called the BTP who met the train in Halifax and nicked him. Job done.

mooghead Posted on 14/12/2011 18:09
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Why should anyone buy a ticket at all if nothing gonna come of it?


oooooo Posted on 14/12/2011 18:33
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You can use reasonable force to prevent a crime? What crime was he preventing? The crime of "still not having a ticket"?

There was 5 minutes before the film started, no-one knows what happened. The lad said he was just told to get off straight away. I can't see why he would deliberately buy two tickets both in the same direction.

Anyway, piggy is spot on and borotmt has come across as a complete d1ckhead.

Sitrep Posted on 14/12/2011 18:36
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Haven't watched the video, the Big bloke is a bully and should mind his own.

Minge_Magnet Posted on 15/12/2011 10:49
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See attached!


Link: All Sorted

Capybara Posted on 15/12/2011 10:57
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[:D]

borotmt Posted on 15/12/2011 11:02
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oooooooooooo I understand PP and Lisbon have been asked to have a boxing match for charity.

How about me against you and piggy for the 2nd bout, Ill have one arm tied behind my back.
You and Piggy wait for the proper authorities whilst cowering in the corner[:o)]

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 11:05
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Now the furore has died down, perhaps I will retract what I said.

Turns out he had bought a ticket and tried to explain to the irate ticket inspector.

Just goes to show eh.

oooooo Posted on 15/12/2011 11:08
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borotmt, could I not just send an 11 year old in my place to give you a pasting? [:D]

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 15/12/2011 11:10
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Our country has to be the softest country in the world. If the bloke had of punched him, yes do him for assault, he just moved him off the train though. What makes me laugh about people who are blindly left wing is they find destruction of property and businesses acceptable (on here supporting the riots and generally finding it an acceptable way to behave because the government in power is one they disagree with). Yet a 14 year old scrote gets ejected off a train with not a scratch on him and they should throw the book at the fella who did it.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 15/12/2011 11:11
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the 14 year old scrote had a ticket. [rle]

gravyboat Posted on 15/12/2011 11:13
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[:D] @ DailyMash article

borotmt doesn't seem to have recovered from his boyhood mugging. Let it all out mate, you'll feel much better.


Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 11:19
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He was 19. And still is unless he had his birthday, which would make him 20.

borotmt Posted on 15/12/2011 11:42
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Ha! I used the example of my mugging when I was 11 as an example of how helpless a victim can feel when strangers just walk past and ignore, or as piggy said "pull the paper up".
Its strange to find how many of you feel thats amusing.
Who knows, it might be linked but I went through my teens as a pretty violent individual, seriously violent at times ( always with others of the same ilk), I learned the errors of my ways and calmed down( believe me yesterday was me being calm[:D]).
Yes,I have stopped one mugging and one attempted robbery... another human being needed help, I gave it,again, this seems to be a cause of hilarity.
One things for certain I am very happy with my life values and how I live my life, I respect others and I expect respect back, I dont cower,I dont allow people to tramp on my life ,Im not afraid of scum and I will never ignore a human in need, if that makes me a dickhead in Oooooooooooooo's value structure then so be it.

Manfriday Posted on 15/12/2011 11:52
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Don't make him angry ffs, he will turn green and rip his shirt off

borotmt Posted on 15/12/2011 11:55
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Omm Omm Omm (thinking calm and happy thoughts)Omm Omm Omm

oooooo Posted on 15/12/2011 11:58
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"believe me yesterday was me being calm"
"I respect others and I expect respect back"

Does the following sound like the words of someone being respectful and calm?

"you must have been scared chitless since leaving your mammies house"
"Piggy, your a chit bag coward"
"you sickening streak of pish"
"your family must be very proud"
"YOUR AN ADMITTED COWARD"
"YOU HAVE NO CHARACTER"
"God you feckin wimp"
"Pussy, you havnt wound me up,I pity people like you"
"Id shoot you in the back if you ever grew a big enough Pair to go over"
"You Sad Soft XXXXXXer"

In your defence, the abused often grow up to be abusive.

For someone who pretends to have values though, you do seem massively obsessed with dishing out beatings and calling people "fannies", "cowards" and "wimps" when they demonstrate they, unlike you, are able to control their violent instincts.

offside-again Posted on 15/12/2011 12:12
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I bet the kid is loving all the attention. He'll be secretly delighted it happened imo. [;)] Plus he might scrape some compo from it all. [^]

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 12:20
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oooo, Cant really say things like that though mate, bad form [V]

oooooo Posted on 15/12/2011 12:29
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Things like what? [?]

borotmt Posted on 15/12/2011 12:29
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ooooo, I respect those who respect themselves, neither you nor piggy do, therfore I despise you and your little chum.
What really makes me laugh is apologist like your self are quite happy to attempt to rile people up but when you achieve their aim you come all over self rightious and wounded, "abused become abusers" dear god how low do you go.
Anonimity is not guarenteed on this board, take a minute to think about that, any way, a bad taste in my mouth again...
Karma ...... whats coming your way?

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 12:30
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Gravyboat - edited [^]

offside-again Posted on 15/12/2011 12:31
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Slagging him off like you have makes you look a bit of a tit though.

just my opinion.

Don't hit me. [:D]

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 12:31
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ooooo - 'In your defence, the abused often grow up to be abusive.'

[V]

Bit off that.

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 12:32
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tmt - you really need to relax a little bit mate, you sound like a psycho.

oooooo Posted on 15/12/2011 12:37
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"ooooo, I respect those who respect themselves, neither you nor piggy do, therfore I despise you and your little chum."

See what I mean?

"What really makes me laugh is apologist like your self are quite happy to attempt to rile people up but when you achieve their aim you come all over self rightious and wounded,"

Look mate, piggy's only crime here was not jumping on a bandwagon and suggesting that a 18st 35 year old was being a bit of a bully dragging that lad off the train. I've met piggy and his son on a few occasions and you couldn't meet a nicer bloke. Seeing you call him a "streak of pish" amongst other things just isn't on because he's nothing like that.

""abused become abusers" dear god how low do you go."

People who have been subjected to violence often go on to solve their problems through violence. You clearly are XXXXXXing unhinged, mate, considering the way you've conducted yourself on here, your next quote being a creepy example of that:

"Anonimity is not guarenteed on this board, take a minute to think about that, any way, a bad taste in my mouth again...
Karma ...... whats coming your way?"

Threaten me all you want mate, ffs.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 15/12/2011 12:39
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Karma Karma Karma Karma Karma Chameleon

borotmt Posted on 15/12/2011 12:40
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Evil, no just a little tired of cyber warriors.
As said, I do believe in Karma,
Oooo , all Im saying is what goe around comes around, im not threatening you , whats the point of that, seems a bit silly giving someone a warning.
You need to re-read the whole thread, I havnt been aggresivly violent for 30 years,and a pathetic individual like you isnt going to change that but I have learnt that pond life such as yourself deserve no respect, simple as that.
You can take all the out of context posts you want but your still a pathetic little troll whos only way to get his kicks is to bad mouth others on a keyboard.
Its what you do and what you are, chite.

oooooo Posted on 15/12/2011 12:42
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"no just a little tired of cyber warriors"

You are like the patron saint of cyber-warriors.

Anyway, you were telling me how I shouldn't hide behind anonymity and be expecting some sort of karma pay-back. NOT CREEPY AT ALL [:D]

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 12:46
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I believe in karma too.

But your threats on here, are pretty low mate.

boroskel65 Posted on 15/12/2011 13:11
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Is borotmt Rorschach?

smifter Posted on 15/12/2011 13:25
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Of course its assault! I am stunned people think other wise.

I always remember coming home from an away match in London a number of years ago, and missing my train and with a hangover from hell, I went to the ticket booth and bought a new train ticket (I lost about £40 by missing first train fair enough)
I paid about £70 for a new train ticket home - which included a discount for a young persons rail card, which I showed them in the booth and they issued me a ticket.
When on the train when the conductor came round I showed him my ticket and my young persons card and he stated a part of my card was missing as it was in 2 parts (I didnt know another part existed) and I explained that I showed them the card in the ticket office and they were happy with it. I offered to pay the extra money (maybe about £20) for the difference of the card so didnt get the discount anymore - but he was unhappy with this, despite me now having already paid the rail services £110 for these 2 tickets he now wanted me to pay another £120 for a full priced ticket on the train which was more expensive that what it would have cost in the first place in the booth
At first I stayed polite, but with hangover seriously kicking in and his very rude manner with me, I do admit I started to get a bit cross, thankfully 2 Walsall fans stepped in and stuck up for me. I didnt physically have the money for the new ticket and he wanted to throw me off the train. It was in the end agreed I got some sort of penalty notice which I had to pay and then he took my details, when I got home I appealed this and never paid in the end.
Thank god those fans didnt throw me off tha train like Big fella did in this clip!!!

However the point is folk are just too quick to assume people are guilty (more significantly young people are) The paper stated he did have 2 single tickets for the same direction, it could well be a very genuine mistake for a young/inexperienced passenger. The conductor was obnoxious and was clearly trying to get other passengers involved with his manner of "I'm not bothered I can wait here all night I'm getting paid, but others on this train will be bothered"
The youth may well have turned rude, I dont know, but if he did, looking back when someone was trying to embarass me like that I maybe would have done the same at his age.

I think people would think a lot different if it was THEIR child who got threw off the train.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 15/12/2011 13:27
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And the lesson there is, always carry both parts of your rail card.

smifter Posted on 15/12/2011 13:29
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I presume you are trying to be funny. The point is I was inexperienced rail user who didnt even know my card was in 2 parts, I was a young person and clearly I feel I should have been given the benefit of the doubt. I was not trying to avoid paying, for gods sake I had paid £110 for a fare home from London, the people in the appeals part clearly agreed.

smifter Posted on 15/12/2011 13:31
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LMFC
So would that have been ok for the Walsall fans to throw me off the train if I refused to pay the £120 do you think?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 15/12/2011 13:31
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Lets put humour to one side for a moment.

That was literally the lesson to be learnt.

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 13:31
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Naughty naughty.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 15/12/2011 13:32
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What kind of hat did you have on?

Lefty Posted on 15/12/2011 13:41
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I'm not sure I'd want a fight with Piggy, he's about a foot taller than everyone he currently works with, perhaps a foot taller than everyone in the country even. But don't make the mistake of therefore drawing comparisons with Peter Crouch. Not that I'm calling him fat, I wouldn't dare, it's too risky. You've gotta be careful, he's like Kaiser Soze, you never know what he's going to look like.

No, I think a much safer tactic is just to run away. You'll have him lost in no time.

borolad259 Posted on 15/12/2011 14:02
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I'd suggest a clear headed apology Borotmt. You are right. Anonymity can not be guaranteed and in your case it certainly isn't if you make thinly veiled threats on here.

borotmt Posted on 15/12/2011 14:26
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No threat was made , children make threats not grown ups
Karma started earlier on the attached thread and was simply carrying on my point that if you dont do good expect no good.
The little chiyte that is oooooo suggested id been abused , would you be you happy with that!?!?
Ive been posting on here for 10 years using the same name, ban me if you wish but unlike the trolls that inhabit this site I wont be back with another name.


Apology my AR%E.



Link: Link

Naboo_The_Enigma Posted on 15/12/2011 14:34
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That lad looked about 13, who on here when you were 13 didnt do something like this?? If a grown man picked you up and threw you off a train you'd sh!t yourself.

And if someone grabbed my kid and threw him off a train for the sake of a small train fare i'd go down show him what assault really is!!

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 14:37
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Tmt - you sir, need a lesson in decorum.

borolad259 Posted on 15/12/2011 14:50
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I've read your contribution borotmt as well as the other thread. I thought perhaps you'd have calmed down by now.
Oh well.

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 14:51
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I think I need to help him get laid. [^]

borolad259 Posted on 15/12/2011 14:55
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Are you and Paul going to double team him? I'm getting a bit worried for VAN now.

Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 14:56
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He wishes! [LOVE]

oooooo Posted on 15/12/2011 15:05
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borotmt, someone being violent towards you is abusive.

If you saying that you could find out who I was and that I was going to get some sort of karma payback wasn't a threat then what did you mean?


Evil Posted on 15/12/2011 15:06
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Probably retracting now oooooo

Starbuck Posted on 15/12/2011 18:18
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I think if the lad brings both tickets that he bought to the court and has eyewitness accounts of how he never raised his voice, was abusive or used foul language and also how he repeatedly tried to reason with the inspector in a calm rational way then I think he is nalied on for a bumper compo payout.

Unless of course he is a liar.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 15/12/2011 18:25
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Well it's funny you mention that Starbuck, because the lad who filmed it said he filmed it because the lad was drunk, being aggressive and swearing at the inspector.

Starbuck Posted on 15/12/2011 19:22
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Get away ?!?!? Who would have thought eh ??

BobCarolgees Posted on 15/12/2011 21:10
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Anyone on here or their family who has ever engaged in anti social/illegal behaviour mind if I come round and give you a good kicking?

Anything will do, shoplifting, being drunk in public, swearing at football matches, fighting in public, urinating in the street, buying hooky goods, finding money and not handing it in, drink driving, having no MOT, viewing illegal websites, not paying car tax or tv licence, anything you wish.

What say ye? [:P]

littlejimmy Posted on 15/12/2011 21:38
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I got on a train back from Hitchin tonight, well Peterborough actually. My ticket was specific to a particular train, but it was the next one, which would have meant a change at Grantham. I thought I'd give it a go, as often the conductor will just glance at your ticket and not insist on seeing the reservation. Well tonight, as soon as I saw the ticket inspector, I knew I was in trouble. He looked like a jobsworth and spoke like one, and he asked to see my reservation. He promptly asked for 60 quid on top of the 50 quid I'd already paid, without so much as a "sorry, you're on the wrong train". My colleague, who uses East Coast a lot, had a grumble at him, but I just took it on my chins. My debit card wouldn't work, so I had to fill in a form to take home and have to pay the fare within 10 days. Annoying, but I was technically in the wrong. Still, no need to be such a jobsworth about it! He pulled someone else a few seats along who said he'd left part of his ticket in the Fast Ticket Machine. 130 quid for that poor sod!

Pauluka Posted on 15/12/2011 21:41
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Jimmy, they get a percentage of the money gained by onboard tickets sales

littlejimmy Posted on 15/12/2011 21:43
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That explains a lot, if that's right.

Merry Christmas, mister jobsworth!

BobCarolgees Posted on 15/12/2011 21:52
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"He looked like a jobsworth and spoke like one, and he asked to see my reservation"

So Jimmy, you openly admit you knew you were on the wrong train and deliberately so and the man who has the job of checking tickets is a jobsworth because he, wait for it, checked your ticket? Wow!

littlejimmy Posted on 15/12/2011 21:58
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It was the manner it was done more than the doing. Thought I'd explained that. I was less annoyed than my colleague, actually. XXXXXX happens.

BobCarolgees Posted on 15/12/2011 22:01
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Jimmy, you deliberately boarded a train you knew you didn't have a valid ticket for and you then expect the ticket inspector after inspecting your invalid ticket to say 'sorry son, you are on the wrong train'.

You deliberately had no valid ticket, he caught you and you want him to be nice about it. Wow!

littlejimmy Posted on 15/12/2011 22:04
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Yeah, you're right. He should've got a bit Scottish bloke to throw me off.

redandwhiteblood Posted on 15/12/2011 22:05
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People say they stand by the bloke, however, do any of us know the full story. Sounds as if there's more to the lady's situation than has been enclosed.

BobCarolgees Posted on 15/12/2011 22:06
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"Yeah, you're right. He should've got a bit Scottish bloke to throw me off."

[smi]

zzzzz Posted on 16/12/2011 01:36
Train fare dodger - assault or doing the right thing?

The little scrote was setting up lip to the conductor who was too old to do anything about it.

Fair play to the bloke that kicked him off, if it'd been me he'd have had to toe end of my Iron Rangers rattling his coxics as well.

FFS get a grip... and Piggy [sad]

toshoffathebillstash Posted on 16/12/2011 04:06
Train fare dodger - assault or doing the right thing?

Gotta love all the karma references with undertones of threats. Just as siddhartha gautama imagined i bet..

Edwin Posted on 16/12/2011 04:23
Train fare dodger - assault or doing the right thing?

The lad is a diabetic & hadn't eaten all day. Have a heart FFS.

Mind you, maybe it was the ale on an empty stomach that made him abusive. Who knows.

I'm no fan of vigilante culture but, as the riots showed, people do what the hell they please because they believe there will be no repercussions. This lad may think twice next time.

jimmy_james Posted on 16/12/2011 07:43
Train fare dodger - assault or doing the right thing?

I just watched this and I see it as :-

1. A drunken youth presents an invalid ticket to a train official.

2. A drunken youth refuses to leave the train.

3. A drunken youth swears at the train official in front of children.

4. A big man removes a drunken youth using minimum force.

5. A drunken youth tries to force his way back on to the train with force .

6. A drunken youth is then thrown to the floor with a bit more force.

7. The big man at no time used anything like the maximum force at his disposal.

Capybara Posted on 16/12/2011 09:37
Train fare dodger - assault or doing the right thing?

Pauluka is correct. They get a percentage of on-train sales and I believe it amounts to a significant proportion of their pay. Having said that, there's no need for them to be unpleasant about it as it could have just been a genuine mistake on your part. Having said THAT, they have probably heard every tale under the sun.

Angelmatty Posted on 16/12/2011 09:41
Train fare dodger - assault or doing the right thing?

annoying little XXXXXXs like this are the reason why everyone is paying more than they should.

its not just fare dodgers its the idiots who dont pay car insurance and tax and try to get away with it.

if everyone contributed we would be better of as a country.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 17/12/2011 19:57
Train fare dodger - assault or doing the right thing?

If anyone cares to look at Daily Mail website today you will see the latest story. 2 fair dodging youths have knifed an inspector who rumbled them.

I stand by the Big Man. Shows what can happen if we don't stick together sgainst scumbags.

BobCarolgees Posted on 17/12/2011 23:08
Train fare dodger - assault or doing the right thing?

Why don't we just lump every fecker that gets in dispute with an official so we don't accidentally let a potential situation get out of hand?