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RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 10:23
RF Statement - Regarding Banned (Fireproof) Banner

Red Faction would like to raise awareness about the way in which passionate and loyal supporters are being treated by the club. There was some positive support on the previous thread and we would like to express our thanks to everyone who gave us the benefit of the doubt and showed support, there was also some negativity and understandably so, this was mainly due to the fact that the banners concept and design wasn't provided.

The group thought it best we should wait until a meeting with the club had taken place before releasing an official statement on the matter. This meeting took place on Tuesday evening (25/10/11) and we were again given no official explanation as to why the display was refused after being fully agreed to prior, and in compliance to all fire and safety regulations. We were informed 10 days ago we would recieve an official response and we are still waiting...for something we may, or may not ever recieve.

RF have been in regular dialogue with the club this season meeting on a weekly basis, culminating in a respectful and communicative relationship being established. This communication has evidently been a huge positive for both parties, with good progression being made by working in relevant harmony. This however has been shattered once again, the Club refusing to acknowledge, or even respect its supporters who are actively trying to support them with what would have been one of our biggest displays. Not only with moving the goal posts at the last second, but the way in which we were spoken to and treated with such disregard and disrespect.

Four weeks prior to the Mllwall fixture, representatives of the group proposed a display which would be of the same concept as the banner created for last years match, but on a much bigger scale. We expressed that we wanted to organize 500 red cards to be displayed in the section, with a 12 x 5 meter banner being 'surfed' to create the white band in the middle, complete with the slogan "1LION - 1 MFC"...this idea was welcomed by the club who fully agreed to the display on one condition, that it was fireproofed and presented with the documentation, so we acknowledged this and expressed that we would go ahead with the project.

Over the next few weeks the group raised the money to fund the display, and proceeded to purchase (at a very high price) fire retardant fabric from International and certified dealer, along with the water based non-toxic, non-flammable dyes to create the design, and the cards - we then set about producing the surfer. During this time we liaised with the club on numerous occasions to discuss future displays and other issues and seemingly everything was going to plan. A time was agreed for the group to gain early access into the stadium to set up and organize the display, this time was arranged for 10am on the morning of the match. The night before the game, we recieved a text from a club official stating that our planned time was now not possible and that we would have to arrive later, not ideal for anyone who has made plans and arrangements on a match day, especially when you have organized four people to transport/set up a display...but with no other option, what could we do?

These members of the group arrived at the stadium for 1.15pm as the turnstiles opened, and although the display was presented with all fire certification we were greeted by a club official and the new safety officer who stated in no uncertain terms "the surfer isn't coming in today" before returning to his duties with not so much as an explanation. The Head Steward on duty was then left with the unpleasant task of dealing with some very angry Boro fans, he himself couldn't understand why the display was refused entry and was sympathetic and understanding of our situation. Similarly, after a phone call the Head of Supporters Services was equally bemused as to why the planned display wasn't allowed access, but expressed that he couldn't do anything if thats what the safety officer has decided. We waited for an hour and a half insisting that it be allowed access to no avail, we were left with no option but to enter the stadium and support the team, something we did very well that day with only our banner hung upside down in protest at how we had been treated.

Again, the following week we tried to speak with the safety officer after not receiving the email we were promised, arriving on the friday when we were told he was too busy to speak with us for 5 minutes, and again at 10am on the morning of the Derby match...when similarly we were told he was too busy. After waiting 40 minutes the safety officer finally arrived behind two security guards and told us rudely to 'get out of HIS stadium' before demanding the guards remove us, again with no explanation. This isn't so much about the £300 odd we spent on this one off display, but more the way we are being treated with such contempt for simply trying to support our club, and the constantly shifting rules being applied to halt any attempt and progression with regards to displays within the stadium.

Why are we as fans and our support not embraced? It is totally unacceptable...the fans are being suppressed on an entirely new level. As if the unworkable and to put simply, 'bull5hit' safety guidelines placed into effect to stop supporters bringing flags/banners into the ground isn't enough, now you can't bring them in even if you adhere to the rules?

Something has to be done! We hope that this message will raise awareness as to how our passionate and expressive support is being driven away, and what implications this has to not only to our present fan culture, but to our future generations of Boro fans as well.


Link: 1 LION - 1 MFC

Buddy Posted on 27/10/2011 10:25
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Stick a tent in the car park, the club will probably close down. [;)]

bear66 Posted on 27/10/2011 10:26
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I still don't know what I'll be doing on 25/11/11

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 27/10/2011 10:42
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RF08 - Ssshhhhhhhhhhhhh.

The club want your cash, not your opinion. Can you not just satisfy yourself with clapping along to the music and celebrating when instructed?

red_hot_iron Posted on 27/10/2011 10:45
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Why would Barrow steal a design that said 1 lion 1 mfc?

jimbob1981 Posted on 27/10/2011 10:45
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I'm all for the RF and trying to bring an atmosphere back to the ground.

But that banner/flag is a blatent attempt to wind up the Millwall fans, and after the antics of their fans (and some of ours) last season at there place I can understand why somebody at the club said no.

Royal_Marines_Commando Posted on 27/10/2011 10:46
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It's only a banner ffs no need to cry about it [:D]

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 10:47
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whats the big secret? why couldnt someone of just said what was on the banner in the first place

abcdefg Posted on 27/10/2011 10:48
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Too long, didn't read.

Muttley Posted on 27/10/2011 10:50
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So why the big deal over "revealing" the message on the banner? No-one else could use it anyway. (Unless there is yet another MFC with a lion crest that I am unaware of?)

Expecting nodding acceptance of your position on here is not going to happen and some of the other posters from RF on the other thread have just come across as childish. When teh facts are set out then yes it does appear that you have been treated unfairly and I hope the club at the very least apologise and perhaps offer some form of redress. That is shabby treatment.

gravyboat Posted on 27/10/2011 10:50
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'wind-up the Millwall fans'

There was about 12 of them.

The RF lads must wonder what the point is. I'm really disappointed with the clubs stance on this. What's the point in trying to create an atmosphere?


gravyboat Posted on 27/10/2011 10:51
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'Too long, didn't read.'

Are you 4?

Vasily_Rats Posted on 27/10/2011 10:51
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What Jimbob said.

Thats probably what it boils down to.

Historically, Boro has got a fairly amiable relationship with Millwall as well.

abcdefg Posted on 27/10/2011 10:54
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'Are you 4?'

I thought I'd act the age of these people who sulk about a banner or the big bad football club every week, so yes.

gravyboat Posted on 27/10/2011 10:55
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So why don't the club just tell them that's the reason? Before they've spent money creating the banner, ideally.

gravyboat Posted on 27/10/2011 10:57
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Wanting to create some colour and atmosphere in the stadium is acting like a 4 year-old?

You sound a bit dull, tbh.

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 10:57
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eh??? am i reading some of the responses correct? 1lion 1mfc would have wound the millwall fans up? it wasn't a dig at them it was pro boro. as for the club i am very dissapointed that firstly they set out guidelines which are ridiculous for the average fan to meet. then when they do meet them they then say last minute that NO its not allowed. some people on here just can't accept that our club treats elements of it support with such disregard!

MASSIVE [V] TO MFC AND TO SOME OF ITS SUPPORTERS IN THE WAY THEY ACT TOWARDS A GROUP OF FANS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING POSITIVE FOR OUR CLUB AND TOWN!!!!!!!!1

Sheepfiddler Posted on 27/10/2011 10:59
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FFS JimBob. Have a word with yourself - its hardly offensive.

Godforbid any opposition fans get upset. No need to wet your pants.

Good work RF [^]

MFC should be ashamed at themselves. Allowing a jumped up Safety Officer based in London who is only availabe on Teesside on matchdays to treat fans like this is pathethetic. Seems like the bridges and goodwill that has been built up in recent months between the club and fans has been destroyed in one fell swoop !

Another public relations disaster from MFC. They want our money but not our support !

ovy1 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:01
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The Safety Officer needs a shoeing, "His Staduim", when did gibson hand over the deeds to him!!?

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 27/10/2011 11:01
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Right couple of points.

If you had just said what was on the banner rather than spout the bullshyte you have been for the last few days then you would have had a lot more support from your fellow fans. PR own goal on that point i'm afraid.

However; If this is the stance the club has taken then it is utterly shocking. In fact so much so that I would encourage you to do something about it and get other fans to support you.

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 11:03
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Wouldn't bother me one jot, but if you don't think the banner is antagonistic to Millwall & just pro Boro then I think you are a little naive.

jimbob1981 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:04
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I agree that the club don't come off too well in this issue, and I agree that the RF lads look to have been treated poorly, especially after spending their own money & putting there time into the display.

Question for the RF though, why was this display specifically targeted for the Millwall game if it wasn't aimed at getting a reaction from the travelling fans?(regardless of how may of them there were)

littledick Posted on 27/10/2011 11:05
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Name and shame the new safety officer on here and write to Bauser, or Emmerson, and state your case [^]

bear66 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:06
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Sounds a good case for taking them to the small claims court for all costs incurred.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 27/10/2011 11:07
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its a load of XXXXXX, but i'm afriad there is too much of a nanny state mentality now in society, in britain, and it all boils down to people justifying there wages

give it another ten years, and you will have seatbelts or bars on the seats that only open at half time and full time so you can't stand up

sit down, and be quiet

it's a shame really, the red faction have brought a lot of atmosphere back to the ground, i was at the atalanta inter match last night and the display was stunning, the entire home end all standing had squares of foil which relected of the stadium lights, fireworks going off, bangers the lot

its just the way the game is going in this country, the dickheads clubs have to employ through silly safety rules get massive hardons stopping flags and banners

lockey Posted on 27/10/2011 11:09
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"MFC should be ashamed at themselves. Allowing a jumped up Safety Officer based in London who is only availabe on Teesside on matchdays to treat fans like this is pathethetic. Seems like the bridges and goodwill that has been built up in recent months between the club and fans has been destroyed in one fell swoop ! "


Were he lives or comes from has nothing to do with it. How many safety officers have we had since RF have been around. 3/4? and how many have got along with?

Vasily_Rats Posted on 27/10/2011 11:09
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Agreed - the club should have been honest and up front about the reasons.

Regardless of the intention to wind the Millwall fans up or not, whats important in this H&S obsessed day and age is the perception. You're gonna be hard pushed to argue that the banners content is 100% pro Boro with not one iota of intention to wind up Millwall.

For the record I love what RF are doing and support them 100%.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 27/10/2011 11:09
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Fireworks going off? Did you fear for your safety???

The flares that lit up the Roma end when we were there looked class.

red_hot_iron Posted on 27/10/2011 11:12
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I guarentee that that whoever approved the banner will have done so without realising it was linked to millwayy. when somebody at the club relised thats when they will have pulled the plug. rather than create other farce of an issue they just shut up shop.

bear66 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:14
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"How many safety officers have we had since RF have been around. 3/4? and how many have got along with?"

That speaks volumes . . . . what company needs to keep recruiting new safety officers with that frequency?

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:21
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locky - moving away from the point again? why does it matter how many safety officers the club has had? the guy clearly needs to go on a customer relations course.

Is it any wonder the club takes the XXXXXX out of our fans when this our reaction when fellow fans are treated wrongly?

lockey Posted on 27/10/2011 11:24
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I think most fans wouldn't feel like they had been taken the XXXXXX out off.

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:25
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red hot iron - the same display was agreed last year but on a smaller scale. how can 1lion 1mfc be seen as antagonising the millwall fans? all 12 of them probably wouldn't of been able to see it for a start. stop clutching at straws to defend our beloved club. they have done wrong and need to put it right with the RF lads.

Sheepfiddler Posted on 27/10/2011 11:25
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The banner really, really is not offensive. And if opposition fans (somehow) take offense to it then so what ?

What is the problem ?

This is football. Its meant to be passionate, noisy and tribal. Some Boro fans seem to have forgotten this.

And Lockey - surely if a safety officer is going to be liaising with fans then I would of thought that he should be available to fans on a regular basis. Pretty difficult when he is based in London ????

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 11:28
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again il repeat it, why didnt you just say what was on the banner the first time. it will have been approved before they knew the relevance to millwall and then when they realised it wasnt its that simple, ok they could of handled it better but i can see why they didnt want any part of it

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 27/10/2011 11:29
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Were he lives or comes from has nothing to do with it.

Really?

Been told he is to busy to deal with us on a matchday is not very good been that its the only day he is here! We are trying to work with the cub but how can we if he is to busy to see us?

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:30
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lockey if you had spent £300 making it and then to be told (in a very very very rude way) on the morning of the game that it couldn't be used after they had agreed to it previously then i imagine you might feel a little ticked off....infact, ignore this message because i am obviously XXXXXXing into the wind with you.

stop basing your opinion on RF on one guy you clearly have issues with. there is a group of 25 or so lads who are clearly fighting hard to make something positive happen on a matchday and at the moment are receiving little support from its own club and fans.

Buzza Posted on 27/10/2011 11:31
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Instead of trying to be different to "other fans" why not try relating some of your ideas to try and get more support from other fans around the ground. The bigger the group the bigger the noise.

lockey Posted on 27/10/2011 11:32
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""And Lockey - surely if a safety officer is going to be liaising with fans then I would of thought that he should be available to fans on a regular basis. Pretty difficult when he is based in London ???? ""

Your right, but we have had the safety office who was based here for fans to liaise with. That didn't quite work out either did it.

That said though given what you have said, i think you can feel hard done by. I just don't think it justified the stick which the club has got.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:32
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Personally I couldn't care where our safety officer lives and yes we've had run ins with the previous incumbents but they were always polite exchanges with a healthy respect.

Lets be honest if most of us spoke to 'customers' the way this lad does we'd be out of a job or atleast facing disciplinary action.

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:34
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We are an open group.....if you want to get involved then pop along to the pub or come over to the SEC.

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 11:36
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i agree that its disgusting the way you were dealt with (if true) however that is the only issue here, you are dragging it out as a massive deal and it clearly isnt, as has been said involve all the fans not your own little group then come whinging when things go wrong, i am starting to doubt that you didnt give the safety officer some chance to act like he did the way you are starting to bend the truth

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:37
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The content had no bearing on it being refused entry, hence why we were given permission to display a smaller version of it at the match last season without problem. The slogan was agreed to fully beforehand, as was the size and everything else. Whichever way you look at it, something is very wrong with the way our club is being run with regards to how its supporters are treated. Of course we will not be taking the club to court as someone above has siuggested, we just want the wider support to know how RF are trying to work with the club and it's simply not working, in hope that we can together try and push the club, council or whoever else makes up these rules to change the way fans expressive support is being systematically driven away.

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:39
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supermac that is very unfair. as i have stated before its an open group. there is nothing closed about it. what would you like us to do differently? it would be unrealistic that we should tell everyone our ideas before a game....for example if we shared the trophy virgin idea on here then newcastle would of had something ready to counteract it. we are not wanting to use this as a stick to beat the club whatsoever...we want to let fellow fans know what we are up against when trying to improve the colour and noise at the riverside.

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 11:40
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you already told us that ,and repeatwed it many times, you dont answer questions or are very good at avoiding them. ok it was approved but when they realised the relevance it had to millwall im not surprised it was banned

PartTimeBananaman Posted on 27/10/2011 11:41
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people telling the group to stop moaning because its only a banner, this banner was obviously APPROVED by the club and the group spent a lot of money making it. why shouldn't they be XXXXXXed off that there has been a complete u-turn and their money could have been better off spent elsewhere [rle]

bear66 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:44
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that's my take on this story

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 11:44
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Of course it can be seen as antagonistic, otherwise why for the Millwall game? Its because the inference is they (MFC) don't count.

As said above, the club have dropped a b*llock & dealt with it poorly, but what if it had kicked off & that banner, club approved, had been boldly displayed? The club would have been in the right s*it.

What they should have done, in my humble opinion, was apologise for the error in approving in the first place & bunged you back the £300.

jimbob1981 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:45
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I'm 99.9% confident that had this banner display been aimed at any other game there would have been no problem.

So again, Red Faction, why target the Millwall game for this particular display?

I'm fairly certain you know the answer.

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:45
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At the meeting on tuesday night, it was confirmed by AE that the content was absolutely fine...and maintained the position that this was agreed to fully prior to the match. We chose Millwall for this match for obvious reasons, that isn't the discussion here as the club are fine with the '1 LION - 1 MFC' concept, as they were last year...Supermac, we've supplied the facts, if your not in support of RF or whatever just move on, we wanted to show this display proudly on behalf of every Boro fan.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:46
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Come off it Supermac the club were well aware of the message and had ample time to raise any issues they had. Why wait until hours before kick off when a large amount of money, time and effort had gone into creating the banner. They could have raised the point in one of the several meetings in the build up to the game or even a phone call/text/email but instead we get a rude 'NO' on matchday. Even his fellow colleagues were bemused at his behaviour.

rob_fmttm Posted on 27/10/2011 11:48
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I spoke with an official at the club last night to try and move this forward - I got a completely different version of events. It made it a very difficult to discuss or negotiate.

I do know that as a result of Red Factions pyrotechnics we have been recategorised by police at away grounds this season.

I suspected as much at Selhurst Park when the degree of searching etc was quite pronounced for the cup game.

I've said this before and will say it again - fireworks are dangerous and it is plain stupid to let them off in a football ground.

I like so much of what Red Faction do and stand for but the flares have no place in football as they are not safe. And as a result all Boro fans are now subject to stricter treatment at away grounds.

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 11:50
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So whats the clubs version of events then Rob? There has been enough cloak & dagger on this already!

Not the gory details - just the summary!

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:51
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Rob, that irrelevant post about our use of pyro is going to open up another can of worms so cheers for that...this thread is about a banner which was agreed to, then refused so can we keep on topic please. Please can you email me (you have my email address) and tell me the complete different version of events you speak of, as I am absolutely amazed at how there can be any after speaking with Anthony on Tuesday night where he was quite understanding of our situation - unless AE is unbelievably two faced?

bear66 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:52
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is that why the banner must be fireproof?

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 11:52
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rob the flares were class, who cares about that seriously. and as i though the club has a different version of event , someone is telling porkies. the red faction are class but they dont help themselves sometimes, if your harbouring for support on here at least get all the facts accross

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:53
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Ouch.

I'd be interested in the clubs response if possible? Cheers for raising the issue.

ovy1 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:53
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Spill the beans Rob, would be good and important to the discussion to get the clubs views.

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:56
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I find it hilarious that the club has decided they have another version of the events....brilliant!

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 11:56
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they have had their say now get the clubs side accross

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 11:56
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We're in favour...spill what has been said regarding the display Rob [^]

PaulLeGuen Posted on 27/10/2011 11:58
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LETS REMEMBER THAT RF HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH PREVIOUS SAFETY OFFICERS AT MFC BE IT A FULL TIME ONE OR PART TIME, SO THE FACT THAT THIS NEW ONE IS NOT FULL TIME AT BORO IS IRRELEVANT. RF HAVE ALSO GONE AGAINST GROUND GUIDELINES IN THE PAST SO WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE CLUB SHOULD TRUST YOU NOW. BUILD UP TRUST AND YOU MAY SEE THE CLUB TREATING YOU DIFFERENTLY. GROUND GUIDELINES ARE FOR ALL FANS, INCLUDING RF.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 27/10/2011 12:00
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The lads that let off flares all got banned, a club accepting a banner and supporters paying out 300 nicker to be then told its not accepted has no relevance to flares which was dealt with in its own right.

gravyboat Posted on 27/10/2011 12:00
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I think that's a bit off, Rob, tbh. What has flares last season got to do with this discussion regarding a banner?


RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 12:01
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[rle][:D] The banner was made within said guidelines. Thanks for the input. Your capslock is on.

gravyboat Posted on 27/10/2011 12:01
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WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

abcdefg Posted on 27/10/2011 12:02
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I assume his point was that because of previous problems people are going to be a little bit arsey with them about things in the future.

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 12:03
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Rob hasn't said the 2 are linked (as far as I can see). Just that the flare issue hasn't helped relations - or treatment of all Boro fans.

You need to cough up here Rob or this will run & run!

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 12:03
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but we have met these guidelines and now that is not good enough. we have had a decent relationship with the club the past year or so. why can't you accept that the club needs to have a good relationship with us aswell? therefore it shouldn't just be us bending over backwards constantly.

gravyboat Posted on 27/10/2011 12:04
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Why? It's not the same people. Those responsible for the flare are banned.

Is the suggestion here that the club are purposely messing these lads around because of what has happened previously? And people think that is an acceptable stance for the club to take? Sounds pretty pathetic to me.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 27/10/2011 12:07
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The RF should maybe remove their banners for the televised game against Watford. Maybe they should all dress head-to-foot in grey, refrain from taking their scarves, flags and colours of any kind. Refrain from singing anything, refrain from clapping along and celebrating when instructed. Maybe even turn their backs on the first five minutes of the game.

Just to show the club that if they keep persisting in making life so difficult for those who want to bring a bit of feeling, a bit of life, into the ground that that's what they'll end-up with. Nothing. Greyness, silence, with a few thousand 'hardcores' reacting only when prompted by a way-too-loud PA system.

boro_tyke Posted on 27/10/2011 12:07
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Howay Rob,

Surely hot Bovril/Tea/Coffee is unsafe at football if used irresponsibly.

Equally, having a large collection of football fans concentrated in one area – and no police present is surely just as much a breach of H&S on the Clubs’ part as anything RF have done at RS regarding banners and general behaviour.

Similarly, over-selling the Riverside’s natural away segregation by around 2,000 last -season for Leeds United was the clubs own doing and surely a compromise of its Safety Certificate when it all went off at half-time AND in town after the game?

What individuals choose to do regarding pyrotechnics is their own doing. I can guarantee, no order was given to anyone in the name of RF to use flares at any Boro game.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 27/10/2011 12:08
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Redcar Block 53 - I think RF would do well to make you the spokesperson mate [^]

abcdefg Posted on 27/10/2011 12:08
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I was just saying what I got from Robs comment. I don't know, maybe the club does hold some contempt for previous things. Your right, it does sound pathetic, but there is clearly some underlying issue here.

ovy1 Posted on 27/10/2011 12:09
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I wonder of Gibbo knows about the this?

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 12:14
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Very much doubt SG has any idea of any of this.

i watched a very interesting interview with alan sugar the other day and he spoke of how health and safety officers keep creating jobs for each other with outrageous guidelines for people to follow. he believed that eventually it would get to a stage were businesses couldn't operate because of the cost of H+S. how did we manage to get through day to day life without all these rules before? if the club and the council want to make anything safer then please provide proper access routes to our stadium. its a battle just to get to the place.

PaulLeGuen Posted on 27/10/2011 12:14
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B_T - BullXXXXXX. flares are spoke about at meetings.

rob_fmttm Posted on 27/10/2011 12:17
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gravyboat there have been 2 firework incidents this season to my knowlegde one at an event at the Riverside one at Selhurst Park. I don't think they can have helped matters unfortunately. It has made me wary, to be honest because I was involved in the event.

I think the size was an issue of the banner but I was glad to hear that you had been speaking with AE about it

It was hard for me to do anything other than listen really as I have to RF. But if I hear different versions of the actual events leading up and on the day it is difficult to know what to say. Other than listen and try to advise continue on speaking to each other.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 12:17
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[rle] He'd have to be there for that to happen. No one in RF takes 'orders'.

rob_fmttm Posted on 27/10/2011 12:21
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I will email later - sorry part of reason I interjected badly was because I am in a rush this morning. I realise I intended to post on the other RF thread.

oooooo Posted on 27/10/2011 12:21
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"I think that's a bit off, Rob, tbh. What has flares last season got to do with this discussion regarding a banner?"

Reading between the lines (and that's all you can do when there's all this secrecy and lack of openness), the club seem to be a bit concerned about RF for some reason, those flares certainly haven't helped. It'd be useful if Rob would say if the flares were mentioned directly or whether he is using those as an example of conflict between the club and RF.

Oh, and don't pretend flares are safe. They are safe until something goes wrong and then they are lethal! No-one in the ground knows how old those flares are, how they've been stored and no-one around you gets much of a choice if you decide to light one up.

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 12:22
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Please keep on topic lads....don't want this being a personal battle between paul and borotyke like the last topic. nobody takes orders as you put it....that's a fact!

rob - i just don't see how the two are linked? how can the fact that a person has 'supposedly' taken a flare into an away game had an effect on the way the club treated the lads regarding the banner? as for AE i have worked with him before and many people say you can't trust him as far as you can through him so don't listen to a word he says.

EmnesDread Posted on 27/10/2011 12:26
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AE seems to be telling different things to different people?

junouk Posted on 27/10/2011 12:32
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I have said on here on a number of occassions now the only positive about the the last few seasons is the Red Faction and the appointment of Mogga. [^]

But they do have a habit of shooting themselves in teh foot. Burton is a prime example. I was there it was not class it was just plain stupidity. Even our players stopped.

But, in this case I think if the club agree to something then the safety officer should have been notified of this prior to you going to the ground. He should have been involved with the consultations. If he was not aware you should take this up with AE and he should sort it with the Safety officer.

As for Robs comments, you always get two sides to a story, the fact when the safety officer turned up he had two security men as escorts says alot.

I wish both the club and fans would sort this $hite out. Management , players and fans all want the same thing.

Stewards, safety officers etc have no connection to the club, they are just doing a job. You dont have to be a fan to the job. They will get a kick out RF fighting with them every week and will be sat in the pub every saturday night telling the mates about how the RF were told to **ck off again. They are laughing at you and us again. [V]

ThornabyBoroBoy Posted on 27/10/2011 12:36
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I was at Burton away in the cup last season when the flares went off, I was only a few yards away from them but they looked quality [^]

free_pint Posted on 27/10/2011 12:41
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Well done Rob, you've turned this thread away from the actual issue and into something it had nothing to do with?

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 27/10/2011 12:42
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The club treat us like this because of the flares?? Well I hope we can go back to how they treated us so good before,oh hang on...........the same shcit with or without flares incident.

oooooo Posted on 27/10/2011 12:44
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More like said something that's shown you up.

a: there's another side to this story
b: you're associated with an element who have done some pretty naughty things and the club aren't happy with it

That seems pretty relevant to me or should we just go back to the original premise which is the club are just being meanies for no reason.

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 12:46
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red faction need one spokesman, it should not be boro tyke as he comes across as a proper doyle

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 27/10/2011 12:46
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"meanies"

[smi]

1finny Posted on 27/10/2011 12:49
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Bleeding disgraceful way to treat supporters.
The cack thing is it doesn't surprise me one bit.
Club for the fans my aarrse
Red Faction [^]

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 12:54
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Rob's not off topic. The most important thing he has said is that the clubs version of events differ from that of RF. Thats very much on topic!

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 12:55
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we do have an official spokesman it is the guy who meets the club regularly and post as redfaction08.....anyone else is speaking for themselves.

Obsolete_of_Charm Posted on 27/10/2011 13:02
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I was part of the team who sorted the massive Boro surfer years back, I'm also an H&S professional too as it happens. We had a meeting at the club with Dave Allen and the then safety Officer, we went through everything you did saftey wise and I stuck a few other H&S provsions in too keep them sweet, we never had a problem.

It sounds that reading above, the flare incidents have changed the mind set of the club/safety officer etc, sorry to hear that some mindless individuals have spoilt it for the rest of you as the banner looks ace!

But keep at them in a responsible and adult manner and you never know, they may change their minds

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 27/10/2011 13:06
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Shaunb86 I was also at said meeting [^]

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 13:07
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i was also at said meeting!! you need one spokesman on this board to clarify your position because you all just talk over each other

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 27/10/2011 13:11
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Supermac im ony reffering to what was said at the meeting,hence not some of the nonsical things been suggested on here.

skiprat Posted on 27/10/2011 13:21
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oooooo and others mentioning the flares, surely if this was the problem, a problem with past misdemeanours and other related events then the club should have just turned round and said "NO" as soon as there was a mention of any banners being created?

To allow the lads to go to hassle of purchasing equipment, materials, making the actual thing and THEN turning round at the last moment and telling them no is either stupid or at it's worst, extremely petty.

Obsolete_of_Charm Posted on 27/10/2011 13:23
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If that was the reason, I totally agree skiprat [^]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 27/10/2011 13:26
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Are the club just using the flare thing as an excuse to try and 'quieten down' the RF lot a bit perhaps?

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 13:32
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Those resonsible for the 'flare thing' have already been punished in a court of law. The relationship between RF and the club was relatively healthy during the first few games of the season and we were starting to see the fruit's of this with the 500 flag display against Pompey and the confetti display against Brum. Hopefully some sort of relationship can be salvaged but personally speaking I dont pay handsomely to be treat with utter disdain.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 27/10/2011 13:33
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Yeah I was just asking, RB53. The whole thing is ridiculous and as has been said above, it needs sorting out once and for all.

Keep up the good work, RF, and don't let the suits grind you down. [^]

ccole Posted on 27/10/2011 13:37
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Wait until there is a live game and boycott the match, perhaps till half time. Or just watch the game in a boozer. I said at the time when the rule was introduced it was wrong. Its taking away fans rights to voice an opinion.



If I want to make a banner to say “SKY is killing football” do you think the club would allow me to express that opinion? It would be like them agreeing to my view.


It's shyte

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 27/10/2011 13:46
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ccole - "The RF should maybe remove their banners for the televised game against Watford. Maybe they should all dress head-to-foot in grey, refrain from taking their scarves, flags and colours of any kind. Refrain from singing anything, refrain from clapping along and celebrating when instructed. Maybe even turn their backs on the first five minutes of the game.

Just to show the club that if they keep persisting in making life so difficult for those who want to bring a bit of feeling, a bit of life, into the ground that that's what they'll end-up with. Nothing. Greyness, silence, with a few thousand 'hardcores' reacting only when prompted by a way-too-loud PA system."

That's what I posted earlier. I'm not saying that the RF should do that thing to the letter or anything, but I think a televised game is a good place to make some kind of protest.

Though it would also be good if we could get to see the club's side of the story. Where would they publish that though? I'm never able to find their views on the RF, other than when they put them in the Gazette.

oooooo Posted on 27/10/2011 13:52
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"oooooo and others mentioning the flares, surely if this was the problem, a problem with past misdemeanours and other related events then the club should have just turned round and said "NO" as soon as there was a mention of any banners being created?"

I agree with all of that. I've also been in situations in companies where something has been fine until someone has found out about it and vetoed the whole thing. IE, someone somewhere in MFC has basically said "hang on, who's this? XXXXXX em, after all that flare stuff before". If they ask, just blame it on health and safety.

If they point out that there are no health and safety issues, just get flustered and embarrassed and tell them to get out of 'my' stadium.

boro1992 Posted on 27/10/2011 13:53
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The clubs just stabbed the loyal fans in the back. The group went through the right channels to make sure that this didnt happen. but yet again the club hav stopped us fans showing our support.......

bill_door Posted on 27/10/2011 13:54
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Should we need a public statement from MFC though? Just as do we need a 'statement' from the RF?

If this version of events is bang on then yes, the safety fella at the club is out of order. But sort it out with him surely, rather than going on a public message board complaining about it. All you're doing is putting forward half a story and it's unlikely we'll get the other half, so what is the point?

Sonuds harsher than I mean it, but I don't really see the point of this thread.

free_pint Posted on 27/10/2011 13:57
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The reason for this thread Bill was because people wanted to see the banner, and to be honest to show the horrid treatment of fans who put a lot of time and effort into supporting their beloved club.

Vasily_Rats Posted on 27/10/2011 14:02
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"Nonsical"

[:D][:D]

I had a Director used to say this all the time. More hassle than it was worth to point it out to him, but no hassle whatsoever to have a chuckle about it on here.

skiprat Posted on 27/10/2011 14:06
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I think they have every right to publish it on here and let the other fans know what is going on with that side of the stadium. Neither side have really come out of this "battle" between themselves over the last few years, but incidents like this show just how out of touch the club can be at times.

They shouldn't let supporters have free reign of the stadium, but at a time when the club is doing well, the fans are onside for the first time in years (sadly not in increased numbers) then this good PR could have made things healthier. Now for some reason there is just more unnecessary tension between the two groups.

bill_door Posted on 27/10/2011 14:10
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"The reason for this thread Bill was because people wanted to see the banner, and to be honest to show the horrid treatment of fans who put a lot of time and effort into supporting their beloved club."

Aye but all it's done, predictably, is got a lot of people bickering based on one side of the story. As I said, if that's all correct and nothing has been missed out or added in, it's out of order and I feel sorry for the fans who put time and money into this.

Trouble is, it'd be interesting to see what MFC have to say about it and we don't have that - and really, nor should we as it's an issue between a few fans and the club.

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 14:12
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Can I enquire, how many members do Red Faction have?

Lefty Posted on 27/10/2011 14:14
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Given that I noticed a significant number of Red Faction members among the group of Boro fans goading and trying to get at the Derby fans after the match on Saturday which, according to some of the stewards and regular disabled section attendees (kept in the ground even longer for safety reasons), were many of the same faces doing exactly the same at the previous game, and in light of Robs comments regarding fireworks and the revised grading and searching of Boro fans at away grounds, I'd like to ask about the attitude and treatment Red Faction shows towards the club?



Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 14:17
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and not to mention the constant broken chairs, why not just move to the north stand and get everyone involved

oooooo Posted on 27/10/2011 14:19
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Lefty, I suspect the answer there will be that they are not 'proper' members of RF but just happen to stand with them, sing with them, travel with them..... and there probably isn't an official Red Faction membership anyway....

As much as Red Faction try to distance themselves from these lot, they are tainted by association - see also daft photos with faces covered etc.

free_pint Posted on 27/10/2011 14:21
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Edwin- About 20-30ish maybe's wouldn't be able to say exactly.

Lefty- No members of RF were involved in the 'goading' of Derby fans. If you noticed, most if not all were still inside the ground getting the banners from the 'sterile area' also if you checked on here many of us disgraced the 'goading' outside.

Also that has nothing to do with the banner issue?

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 14:22
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So, its flares, damage to the stadium & chew with away supporters after the game?

As I said on the other thread, I don't see why the club even give RF the time of day.

PartTimeBananaman Posted on 27/10/2011 14:24
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i'm pretty sure rf members have stated a few times the club wanted them to be situated in the south east corner so its not a question of moving to the north stand

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 14:25
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Thanks for the info FP. The problem with suggestions of a boycott then wouldn't have a great deal of impact then - 30 people, however vociferous & colourful, don't turn up in a stadium that holds 35k but currently gets about 17k through the door? Thats not going to make a jot of difference I'm afraid.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 14:26
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There wouldn't even be a thread if the club just answered our questions or showed us abit of common courtesy. We've held off for quite a while whilst awaiting an official response from MFC but not highlighting this to the wider support only leaves us £300 out of pocket and everyone else none the wiser. The whole situation is avoidable and leaves quite a sour taste when all we want to do is support our team but are unable to do so even when complying with every guideline put in our way.

Zemmamas_Visa Posted on 27/10/2011 14:26
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Any of the stewards would be able to tell you that all rf members were inside collecting flags, banners and poles. Just as it was during the gazette "smear" campaign after crystal palace.

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 14:26
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why does it matter where the club want them, if they all want to be in the middle of the north stand then put them in their and get an atmosphere without having to goad the away fans

chorleyphil Posted on 27/10/2011 14:26
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So you cant take a piece of cloth to the match these days cos it stands a 0.001% chance of catching fire?

Muck Fe ! [sad]

PartTimeBananaman Posted on 27/10/2011 14:27
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i think it matters because people complain about them going against the club as it is and its not going to improve their relationship by upping sticks and planting themselves somewhere else

lockey Posted on 27/10/2011 14:29
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Quick question. Were you told the banner could be put in the sterile area?

shaunb86 Posted on 27/10/2011 14:35
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I dont know the answer to that one lockey but the streile area (laughable that is called that but thats another issue) is for banners that don't meet the safety regulations.

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 14:36
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Lockey, yes after about an hours wait we were told we could place the banner in the sterile area, although this wasnt the agreement.

We could have made the banner for £30 if it was just to be placewd in an empty block of seats, but it wouldn't have the same effect as being surfed between 500 red cards!

We refused to bow down, and insisted we wanted to take the display in as agreed, we were refused and here we are.

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 14:39
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Sorry, so that is a bit of info you had not previously shared.

The club, who admittedly had cocked up initially, didn't just tell you to f*ck off but offered a compromise. You then basically told them to f*ck off.

PartTimeBananaman Posted on 27/10/2011 14:41
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thats not the point though is it, the lad said he could have knocked up a banner for £30 if they wanted to do that, but they had came to an agreement with the club and spent 300 quid on making sure it met safety regulations [rle]

bigjayce Posted on 27/10/2011 14:43
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Can I just ask a couple of questions here?

If the club had allowed you to put this display up are there higher powers i.e the FA etc who could have come down hard on the club for inciting bad feeling in travelling fans? In which case has the club not acted to protect itself accordingly?

and also if the RF want to create a good atmosphere within the stadium and amongst the supporters to back MFC to the hilt, why come on here stirring up bad feeling against the club? Surely that should be something you keep and discuss in your group with your members and your liasons at MFC.

There is always 2 sides to every story and so far I've only seen one

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 14:43
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The point is the initial, very lengthy post, has left out some rather pertinent info. As a result, it would make you wonder as to the validity of the whole version of events which, as we know, the club would appear to dispute.

PartTimeBananaman Posted on 27/10/2011 14:45
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i'm just taking it as RF would not be stupid enough to come on here and blatently lie. would love to hear the clubs version of events aswell.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 14:45
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Lefty what an absolute load of slanderous b0ll0cks. I can honestly say EVERY single RF lad was still in the stadium when some kids began goading the Derby support. The club know all about these daft kids as they do it nearly every game much to the amusement of the away support. It's blinkered opinions like that paint a group which is solely about supporting the team as some sort of 'Mob'. Those who stay back in The Riverside will see us folding flags like good little boys [:D][^]

bill_door Posted on 27/10/2011 14:48
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"we were told we could place the banner in the sterile area, although this wasnt the agreement"

And there we are - the whole 'statement' becomes pointless, as you're missing quite important parts out.


lockey Posted on 27/10/2011 14:50
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Not that's its needed but, i can vouch for them and say they are not telling fibs about the 'Core' members being inside the stadium whilst the goading was going on, i see them every game doing the same thing.


RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 14:56
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Could also go into a lot more detail about how we have been treated on a weekly basis discriminately for the past 3 seasons...but kept the statement as short as possible detailing the facts relevant to the particular issue of the club changing their mind at the very last minute:

We tried our very best to produce a banner that adhered perfectly to the safety regs, and had the clubs blessings all the way through the project.

The club then refuse to allow the display, but then just before kick off say we can place it in the sterile area...It's a complete cop out fropm the club, we decided it best to not lower our stance and stand firm with the fact we had followed all of the rules.



Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 27/10/2011 15:05
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"but kept the statement as short as possible detailing the facts relevant to the particular issue"

But missed out that they said it could go in the sterile area. That's a fact that's relevant but you left this out. In fact the way that the story was put was that you were simply told to get out of his stadium. Now if that is all that was said, then how were you offered an alternative?

Another PR shot to your own foot Red Faction.

I love the way you support the team but your arguments are becoming misleading and that means people are less inclined to believe you are more importantly SUPPORT you.

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 15:13
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How is that an option when it had been agreed to for a month in advance that the display was completely fine, we could have knocked it up for a fraction of the price if we simply wanted to lay it on some empty seats...would you accept that at the very last minute, or would you stand firm knowing you are in the right?

I also left out the fact we are only allowed 1 block covered in surfers, and that match we were displaying the infant hercules banner across the seats...as agreed. So even if we had accepted the 'option' to take the '1 lion - 1 mfc' banner in we would have had to remove our existing surfer (which too cost a lot of money), or 12M's 'Boro' surfer...It seems you simply don't want to support fellow fans who really have been treat badly by the club

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 15:13
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Spot on EBD.

I think the general tone on here is of people trying hard to side with RF, but struggling to do so because of the way they are coming across.

On the other thread there was a remark along the lines of 'PR....ffs...zzzzz'. Sorry, but as a group of individuals who, if you are to grow & have a real positive impact, need the support of other fans, then PR is crucial.

On a second point, if daft chavs align themselves to you, then do some self policing & sort the daft sods out. Now that would be a feather in your cap in the eyes of the club.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 27/10/2011 15:20
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Read my previous posts you fcuking moron.

I support what you are doing to support the team and if your original version of events was true (it seems more and more likely that its not) then the club need to get themselves in gear.

Do yourselves a favour and nominate someone sensible to speak on your behalf because the lot of you are looking more and more clueless with every post. My suggestion would be Redcar Block 53.

lockey Posted on 27/10/2011 15:21
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I fully agree Edwin, although they already make a positive impact on match days,that cant be denied.

I also agree that any Boro fan should not be spoken to the way the RF have described it.
And although it was Harsh not to let the banner in at the millwall game (the reason of which no one knows yet), i can guarantee that during the course of "the year yourselves and the club have gotten on" they will of been times were you have gone against the club and took a banner in that wasn't agreed upon or even mention to the club.

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 15:23
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Emmersons_BrazillianDong, edwin and lockey are all speaking a lot of sense, you are making it very difficult to get behind you even though the majority are trying

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 15:25
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and i agree with a spokesman, it might just be a case of daft kids putting their opinions across but its not helping your cause

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 15:31
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'On a second point, if daft chavs align themselves to you, then do some self policing & sort the daft sods out. Now that would be a feather in your cap in the eyes of the club.'

If someones misbehaving in Block53 they get told, trust me. We've cut out the chair smashing and flag throwing by some of the doyles and the head steward has told us he appreciates it but it isn't my job to police the streets of Middlesbrough post match. If I see someone acting up I have a word but has been said were usually preoccupied after the game when this goading usually occurs.

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 15:33
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Fair point Redcar re outside.

Keep going - as I say, most want to be on your side.

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 15:39
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We do have a spokesman, It's just a shame that others do not respect and observe that fact.

As someone who has been involved deeply with the group for a long time, who is in contact with the club on a weekly basis and has enough respect and understanding within the group to put the reflective opinion of the group as a whole, across accurately I am trying to inform the users of this forum as fans, how fellow fans have been treated.

I am putting across the bare facts here, the club have been in respectful communication with the group all season, yet after agreeing to our display then knock it back. Wether alternatives were offered is irrelevant, would it be fine for us to change the display at the last second? No! It seems we are fighting a lost cause on here because of either individuals in the past who people don't get on with, or simply people dont like or want to support RF?

Either way, we thought it best that the wider fan base should be aware at how we've been treated, and cheers to those of you who have shown backing...to those who haven't, we respect your right to opinion, this isn't a debate.

fatharrywhite Posted on 27/10/2011 15:48
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"I am putting across the bare facts here"

but you're not though are you and that's the problem. You missed out the fact that the club gave you an alternative which you chose not to take up.

Until you're up front about everything then you wont get the full support off everyone.

jimbob1981 Posted on 27/10/2011 15:50
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"Either way, we thought it best that the wider fan base should be aware at how we've been treated."

You had an agreement with the club to display your banner, this much is clear.

They then went back on the agreement which I admit wasn't very clever on their part if it was for no particular reason.

They then offered a compromise, so you threw your toys out of the pram.

Is that right?

bear66 Posted on 27/10/2011 15:54
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What was the 'compromise'? Can't see it in the original thread.

jimbob1981 Posted on 27/10/2011 15:57
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To display the banner in the "sterile" area.
Come on bear, keep up![:D]

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 15:59
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JimBob "They then went back on the agreement which I admit wasn't very clever on their part if it was for no particular reason.

They then offered a compromise, so you threw your toys out of the pram.

Is that right"


No, that isn't right, we were offered a compromise and didn't accept it.

We kept the banner in hope we could get in contact with the safety officer during the week to get an official response, in hope to execute the diplay against Derby. We tried on two occassions to speak with him, and when we finally did get to speak with him we were rudely removed from the stadium, and were given NO compromise that day...we're still awaiting his response.




lockey Posted on 27/10/2011 16:02
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I thought it was a Millwall specific banner?

jimbob1981 Posted on 27/10/2011 16:04
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have you forgotton what you wrote earlier?

"The club then refuse to allow the display, but then just before kick off say we can place it in the sterile area"


crouchy Posted on 27/10/2011 16:06
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It's like agreeing that you could rent a flash car then being told you could only be a passenger after already paying a deposit yes the product will be seen but it won't have the desired effect.

Yes RF might shoot themselves in the foot at times but some people just wan't to shoot down anything RF say and counter it because they have problems with them whether its on a personal level or just on a whole, just because some people don't like RF doesn't mean they should try and poison the minds of others. We all support the boro after all just in different ways

UP THE BORO!


captain5 Posted on 27/10/2011 16:08
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I would suggest that you have proper meetings with the club and either minute them and/or (preferably) get agreements made in writing.

That protects both the club and RF.

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 16:10
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Thats what I'm saying JimBob, we refused this compromise as we deemed it unacceptable to move the goalposts last minute.

Lockey, I know your a smart fella, I'm sure you can work out why it would have been more effective and suitable for the Millwall fixture, I find your comment petty as you can answer it yourself, It was specific to the millwall fixture for obvious reasons.

We simply wanted to give the club another chance, and use a display which we worked hard to produce if nothing else...but again the SO refused, this time with total disregard and disrespect.


RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 16:14
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Captain5,

We have been in proper meetings all season (and last) documenting our club communications as Anthony Emmerson knows, but proof of agreement to things like this will be needed in future...not that it would have made a difference in this case, because it WAS all fully agreed to in advance?


Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 27/10/2011 16:22
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"Yes RF might shoot themselves in the foot at times but some people just wan't to shoot down anything RF say and counter it because they have problems with them whether its on a personal level or just on a whole, just because some people don't like RF doesn't mean they should try and poison the minds of others."

get that stupid chip off your shoulder and realise that people WANT to support what you're doing. The problem is that you are muddying the waters FFS.

How many posts on this thread and the other have contained words to the effect: "I really support what RF are doing/ the support you give.........BUT"

rather than think the world is against you why don't you listen to what people on here are saying?

I would suggest the reason that most people are continuing to even entertain this thread is because we do want the atmosphere to improve and we see RF as a vital part of that. The ones who don't give a fcuk about you have stopped posting because the constant going round in circles is boring.

Ok one or two may have an axe to grind but on the whole, people want you to do what you do well.




fatharrywhite Posted on 27/10/2011 16:28
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"I'm sure you can work out why it would have been more effective and suitable for the Millwall fixture"

very true, but there was a whole thread about how it was millwall specific and it was money down the drain as you couldnt use it anymore.

Now you're saying you wanted to use it against derby - so which is it.

I'd agree with emmerson in that the majority of people havent got an axe to grind but it's patently obvious that the various people speaking for the RF arent being 100% honest about the whole situation.

Zemmamas_Visa Posted on 27/10/2011 16:30
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If people want the atmosphere to improve, get amongst it in the SEC or pop into the princess alice pre-match. You'll soon realise that RF are actually really sensible and nice characthers

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 16:35
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I actually feel what you are saying EBD, It's understandable that people want to support RF, even if just to make the match day atmosphere better, but can't because of this or that.

I respect the points you have raised, even after the abuse you've hurled our way, Everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

We have genuinely been done wrong by the club though, who fully agreed and embraced the display and then moved the goalposts at the last minute, and then to treat us so disrespectfully afterwards is simply unacceptable!

We really aren't asking for anything, we're just trying to tell the members of this forum as Boro fans, how fellow Boro fans are being treated.

lockey Posted on 27/10/2011 16:36
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I wasnt trying to be petty as you put it, i said in the previous thread to you that all wasn't lost because it could be used on Saturday at Southampton and this was the reply i got.

"Because the concept was relative to the Millwall fixture which has been and gone as we like to do one off 'Tifo' as appose to generic banners that can always be used"

One minute your calling the concept a one off tifo that you like to use, the next its
can be used at any game. Thats the point im getting at.. £300 has been spent, but it hasn't been wasted. I paid near a £100 for my Forever Loyal banner which now goes in the South stand, that not money wasted either. you go on about adding colour to the stadium, so weather the banners in the South for the whole game on above your heads for 5 minutes during the game its gonna have the same effect.

crouchy Posted on 27/10/2011 16:37
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EBD, I realise how that post has come across there is no chip on my shoulder it was infact as you said aimed at a very very small minority most have given up but some haven't glad to see so many positive responses

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 16:41
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We only raised awareness of the issue after giving it a second go at Derby and getting rudely removed from the stadium.

One off displays are how RF want to operate, and we have displays for the upcoming matches in production...we were going to keep it uder warps until millwall away but decided to place it on here like many requested.

We aren't allowed both surfers in the sterile area as I posted above, the new safety officer doesn't want the south stand blanketed in banners...which we could nearly do if everyone got their banners to the match. He wants one block covered, and with your 'Boro' and our 'Infant Hercules' its pretty much full...so yeah £300 was wasted becuase even if there was room, we could have made the banner for far less money if it was going in there...your missing the point here I feel?


Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 27/10/2011 16:49
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"even after the abuse you hurled at us"

Mate here is my second post from yesterday on the other thread:

"That being said; the club have made several hoops for RF to jump through to ensure the safety of other fans.

If RF have adhered to those rules (despite them being onerous) and the club have still refused then that is a disgrace.

I'm not usually a splitty that moans about the club to be honest but is it only me that seems to think elements of our club are run in an amateurish fashion?"

Since that post the story and facts have changed so much that anything that you are saying has lost its credibility.

You may think I have been hurling abuse mate but I started out totally on your side.

lockey Posted on 27/10/2011 16:53
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But you new that only one of the surfer could fit in the south anyway, right? so if it was allowed to be used in your section it would of only been used the once anyway, right?

Snoop_Smog Posted on 27/10/2011 16:56
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"are there higher powers i.e the FA etc who could have come down hard on the club for inciting bad feeling in travelling fans?"

Yea I can just see the FA hearing now

I hereby charge middlesbrough FC for a section 2 violation of "Inciting bad feeling in travelling fans"

How do you plead?

[rle][rle][rle][rle]






free_pint Posted on 27/10/2011 16:58
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Lockey- Already said it was part of a display at the start of the game...

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 16:58
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I don't just think your hurling abuse, I am agreeing with the points you have raised.

The basiic facts haven't changed, because they are FACTS...the club if you ask them will admit that the display fully adhered to all the safety regs and was fully agreed to prior to the match because it was...the safety officer then spoke to us rudely and didn't allow it in as agreed.

We actually realise the need for quality control in releasing public statements on behalf of the group, hence the announcements on our board asking for people to refrain from doing this.

The Club have royally f**ked up and they know it, but we have waited patiently for an official response and even gave them a second chance at Derby to no avail...we just felt it necessary to express our anger in being treated like this to the wider fan base, thats all

RedFaction08 Posted on 27/10/2011 17:00
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Locky - "But you new that only one of the surfer could fit in the south anyway, right? so if "it was allowed to be used in your section it would of only been used the once anyway, right? "

We're getting there mate [^] Yes, RF want to operate like this...producing displays on a match by match basis, but the display wasn't displayed so we feel a bit agrieved by it all.




FFSBoro Posted on 27/10/2011 17:04
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I can't believe the negativity towards RF in this thread. I haven't read it all but the majority of the opening posts are actually having a go at a group af people who go out of their way to craete an atmosphere at the ground (to great effect btw). The club clearly has some doyles working there who appear to be going out of their way to put obstacles in the way of the RF, and imo it needs addressing.

Let's get behind them, or if you choose not to, at least don't come on here slagging them off when they need our support, ya bunch of [:o)]'s.

Well done RF. Keep plugging away lads.[^]

Vasily_Rats Posted on 27/10/2011 17:16
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"You may think I have been hurling abuse mate"

EBD - you called the RF lad a "fcuckng moron"

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 27/10/2011 17:21
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red faction are not getting enough credit because of the boring XXXXXXs who want everything to be nice and safe for them etc


football is losing is soul because of petty regulations, all seat stadia reducing atmospheres and needs a kick up the arse, there are many things in life insafe, whats more likely to kill you, drinking booze or waving a few flags, the club are quite happy to give fans cirrohsis or make fans drunk so they fall on the steps and break a XXXXXX ankle as its profitable, but if a fan gets a flag out that has a lion on it its a XXXXXXign big no no

get your heads out of your arses and support a few lads who are trying to make football at the half empty stadium better you boring XXXXXXs

[:D]

PRIORYMAN Posted on 27/10/2011 17:37
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I'm a lifelong Boro fan and have always backed the club to the hilt.

However for the club to renege on an agreement that was understandably taken in good faith by Red Faction is a bridge too far in my opinion.

For a group of passionate, proud and genuine Boro fans to be treat like this is an absolute disgrace.




PaulLeGuen Posted on 27/10/2011 17:45
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RedFaction08 are you Rufus vel Mortuus ??

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 27/10/2011 18:14
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Point taken Vasily [^]


TheRock Posted on 27/10/2011 18:24
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[:(]

Red_Matter Posted on 27/10/2011 19:10
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What Obsolete said. [^]

Keep at it with your professional, diplomatic and knowledgeable H & S approach to this and eventually (these things take time and patience), Red Faction and Middlesbrough FC will be on the same page to the betterment of our Town, Fans and image.

As for those that think they're being oh-so clever attempting and miserably failing at getting in your cheap digs in at fellow fans who are simply trying to improve the atmosphere at the Riverside, shame on you.

Thanfully, you're not representative of the majority of true Boro Fans. Keep up the great work, Red Faction! [ref]

boro_tyke Posted on 27/10/2011 19:12
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Nice to see another RF-related thread descend into petty, trivial insults and self-important opinion from the usual ‘how-many-grounds’ medal-flaunting suspects.

In the grander scheme of things, trust me as one of its founders, it matters little what anyone genuinely thinks about RF and what happened before or after Millwall. Fact is, none of the people having a go have even the slightest influence with the club and won’t do a damn thing to try to effect the change that is clearly needed if the Riverside is to have any sort of atmosphere at all in future.

That a group dares to have an opinion or challenge the club on any given issue should be applauded if those on here care so much about our sorry excuse for passionate home support that they profess to.

People seem to forget one thing about RF when it was formed to improve the laughable reputation of our home support – yes, how many teams fans have and do mock our empty seats, our stadium being too big for us and how our support (as the song goes) is f***ng sh*te – and that is, that it was born out of a small number of fans’ who wanted to make a difference and bring something different to the otherwise tired Riverside atmosphere for THEMSELVES. Something that was NEVER intended to be for everyone – that’s the Twe12th Man’s raison d’être and partly their own achilles heel. So in truth, it matters not one jot whether or not RF get anyone’s backing from these pages. The group certainly do not need approval – or court it – to get on with what they do.

If you feel like you have some sort of hold over them, some sort of accountability you’re entitled to, forget it. You don’t. The pitiful contempt and personal abuse negates any accountabilty whatsoever besides the fact that half the people commenting on issues concerned with the group are so blatantly inaccurate or misread its embarrassing. We’re now approaching two threads of nearly 200 posts each – most of which are nothing short of a witch-hunt of petty sniping (he said this, so you must mean that and so forth...) from people who claim they know this about the group, or that about the people in it. It does many of you (not all) and FMTTM little credit. It is evident to that our fans culturally and historically have a problem with just about anything new, different or positive coming out of the club. Anything they didn’t instigate, they’re not involved with or not in control of. Its a fact. A fact any long-standing supporter of Middlesbrough Football Club would acknowledge and understand. Its in our DNA (apparently). Those culapble know who they are on here. RF is not for everybody. It never has been. That much has been clear from day one.

Understand it and get over yourselves.

One final point – and possibly one of the clubs’ most embarrassing events of recent times, good times too in remembering we couldn’t even sell our allocation for an FA Cup Semi-Final 180 miles away at Villa Park five years ago. That’s pretty much a reason for at least one group willing to push a few boundaries and upset a few people on their way if they have to in the name of progress to exist. Because, lets face it, aside from the team itself, there isn’t another group capable of raising the Riverside out of its long-standing malaise.

Have a long look at yourselves. All of you.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 27/10/2011 19:15
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Redfaction08 is not rufus van mortus.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 27/10/2011 19:19
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Some good points boro_tyke, and all the supporting the Boro, the atmosphere being rubbish etc are very true and you lot do a great job at trying to improve these.

You said it was formed to achieve 3 objects. 2 of which you have more than failed on after 2/3 year is it now?

Also, do you know how arrogant, petty and delusional YOU sound when you say:

- "Understand it and get over yourselves."
- "Have a long look at yourselves. All of you."

Haha, after reading that, I won't be on your side, I won't be having a long look at myself. I suggest you take some of your own advice.

Stick to jumping up and down with your RF scarf rather than embarrasing yourself on here.

[^]




jeeves Posted on 27/10/2011 19:21
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LOL B_T

As long as you aren't taking yourself too seriously, that's the main thing [rle]

You might have missed it but the two big threads were started by RF members and have been flooded with RF members posts as well as others. So how it reflects badly on this website is beyond me.

I imagine most people actually couldn't care less about RF one way or the other, I know I don't. But maybe if you managed to get over some of your own self importance you might find more people warming to you, assuming that's what you actually want? From the tone of your posts in particular, it's difficult to tell whether you want people to support you or not.


Muttley Posted on 27/10/2011 19:28
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Ah it's about being "Über-Fans"!

Count me out.

RF came on here trying drum up support on here for a wrong that was done to them. They tried to omit any bits of the truth that mightn't reflect them in the purest of light and refused (at first) to answer obvious questions when people refused to toe the line without being given the full information. Then the scouse strength victim mentality kicked in and we were all against you. Toys flew from prams, dummies from mouths.

Unquestioning belief may be a pre-requisite on the RF board but on here I and many other like to be given the full story in order to judge what has happened.

The reaction you have provoked is of your own manufacture.

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 19:29
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Well thats some of the most arrogant, self opinionated crap I've read on here for a long time (and there's a lot of it - some posted by me)!

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 19:32
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Oh & one more thing - if you want to remain an exclusive little clique, how the hell do you think the atmosphere at the ground will increase significantly?

Pathetic.

bblf Posted on 27/10/2011 19:36
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Im all for what RF are trying to do but in paragraph 3 you talk about moving the goal posts . This will be really silly as its hard enough to score goals.

Have a long look at yourselves. All of you.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 27/10/2011 19:40
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You also made Twe12thman sound quality... An improved an atmosphere for everybody rather than just themselves. [^][^]

Oh, and you made more contradictions than I thought possible...

[:D][:D][^]

BoroPhil Posted on 27/10/2011 19:44
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I think you need to calm down a bit, there are clearly people trolling you here. Personally, I think you have done a brilliant job, anything that improves the atmosphere is a good thing for me. The atmosphere at recent away games I have been to have been some of the best I've experienced and I've been going 20 years. If we could get even a small degree of that at home games it would be fantastic.

If your version of events is true, you have been wronged and the club have acted disgracefully. It would be nice to hear the club's version of events.

One question though, why would Boro not want a group like Red Faction to be successful, why would they not want an improved atmosphere? Even on a purely financial level, surely a better atmosphere via word of mouth will sell more tickets? I just don't understand what motive they would have to get rid of a group with your stated aims?

MFC_Riverside Posted on 27/10/2011 19:46
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"I think you need to calm down a bit, there are clearly people trolling you here."

No, we really think he's speaking rubbish.

[;)][8)]

bill_door Posted on 27/10/2011 20:00
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I like Red Faction as a group and the couple of known members who post on here (RB53 and free_pint) seem sound lads.[^]

But that post by Boro Tyke is the most arrogant post I've read on any forum, ever.[:D]

People don't want, or feel entitled to, "accountability" from RF - they're a group of 30 fans - that's roughly 0.1% (max)of Boro fans when you consider the floaters etc. If you didn't feel the need to release 'public statements' about stuff, people wouldn't be giving the group a second thought apart from on matchdays.

RF as a group on matchday - [^]
Crap like that post up there - [rle]

PAULIEJ Posted on 27/10/2011 20:29
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I have said this several times before and will say it again-the RF have been a breath of fresh air at a period in the clubs history where they were needed most.
The club have mucked up big time on this one and I would be more than happy to join in with any sort of campaign to show the club how wrong they are.
Surely there must be other avenues available to highlight this situation?

oooooo Posted on 27/10/2011 20:32
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boro_tyke has just gone full retard there.

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 27/10/2011 20:56
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BT - your last input into this thread has had me in tears. You poor persecuted soul.



ffs now i understand why people, good people, have left your small group. You have always wanted Rf to be confrontational "because that what the ultra culture is all about". you want to do things in the stadium that the club cannot allow but thats not good enough for you.

Did you advise the flare bearers not t do it, afterall you knew what the consequences would be? you can't abide rules and regs so whip up your group to cause the club problems and expense and at the same time raise the profile of all mfc fans as problematic in the polices eyes.

you should be proud of yourself.

richysmrs Posted on 27/10/2011 21:04
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Red Faction.......you make Boro matches that little bit more special for me and my family....watching you...listening to you..you are a breath of fresh air.....Thank you [smi]please keep up the good work..
(the silence in our stadium would sometimes make me feel embarrassed.....not now with you lads and lasses!)

oooooo Posted on 27/10/2011 21:08
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For the record, I'm supportive of the posts on here from people saying you improve the whole experience, that has never been and shouldn't be questioned. I just think you are alienating a lot of people who would love to throw their full support behind you. [^]

InterYerNan Posted on 27/10/2011 21:59
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I appreciate the sentiment of the red faction.. But at the end of the day the only thing that is going to improve atmosphere at the RS is a bigger crowd watching attractive, attacking football at a reasonable price.

Nan

EmnesDread Posted on 27/10/2011 22:13
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Hopefully we will hear the clubs official response soon and it will not include new legislation that deems we cannot bring even fireproofed surfers into the ground...which wouldn't be surprising to be honest as that IS what has happened on this occasion.

That would spell the end of banners/surfers being brought into the ground and being displayed by fans in the stands, as they should be. Don't have anywhere near the significance and meaning laying lifeless on some empty seats [V]

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/10/2011 23:43
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Speaking personally here as always but Boro tyke what a (unt. Always was. Big words, bigger ego.

I respect the lads I stand shoulder to shoulder with every Saturday. Always will.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 27/10/2011 23:48
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RB53, I thought he was the main man in RF?

Either way he has just set RF back about 2 year with that statement.

It really was funny. Sounded like a speech from a world leader out of a film or something. Not someone in a supporters group of a football club whose members constistute less than 1% of the overall support.

Boroontour0482 Posted on 28/10/2011 00:09
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Keep up the good work rf, the atmosphere at the riverside has been rubbish for years now apart from about 5 lads in the north stand. Away games have been great with a good unity between every boro fan there, it's a shame we can't carry this on at home games, I think this is a good reason people stay away from home games.. It is quite frankly boring on the stands these days!

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 28/10/2011 00:11
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its fmttms turn for the treatment. the poor victims can't see the wood for the trees


Link: nasty

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 28/10/2011 00:58
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Redcar block 53 what did I day earlier about you being the spokesperson for RF?

Boro Tyke you absolute moron. All of your floating voters have fcuked off now. [:D]

RF for all of your sakes bin this guy off.

fatharrywhite Posted on 28/10/2011 08:40
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" yes, how many teams fans have and do mock our empty seats, our stadium being too big for us and how our support (as the song goes) is f***ng sh*te"

you do realise that all away fans sing that at EVERY ground they go to not just the riverside? I'd lay money that boro fans have sang it at every game this season..

LoinerSmoggies Posted on 28/10/2011 08:56
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RedcarBlock53 are you and one of your cronies going to start wearing batman and robin outfits as you are crime fighter ? Maybe you could become Mayor of the town to fight crime on the run down streets of the town.I would live to see you go up to a drug dealer and tell him to stop being so naughty.Come on Mr Block do you really tell the morons from boroyouth to stop misbehaving in the ground ?
All I can say on rf is they are run by people who arent allowed to go the games anymore and they just want to upset the club because of this.The members of rf that are allowed to go to the game are young easily led kids who as the flag debate has proved just throw the teddies out of their prams.At least next week you are all back at school and you can concentrate on your school work.

BoroSniper77 Posted on 28/10/2011 09:11
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"Redcar block 53 what did I day earlier about you being the spokesperson for RF?"


Good Suggestion[^]

thesmoginthemiddle Posted on 28/10/2011 09:49
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i no good few on the rf members and there do great job on match days but why the statement and that been writing hasnt done any favours fo you which is bad and totally agree with what peopl say redcar block 53 would make great spokesmen and he has the understanding now to put the info in the write away across

Supermac Posted on 28/10/2011 09:55
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"Redcar block 53 what did I day earlier about you being the spokesperson for RF?"


Good Suggestion , he is the only one of them that speaks with any sense, bro tyke what an utter cvnt, just lost my support right their

PaulLeGuen Posted on 28/10/2011 09:59
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Redfaction08 is not rufus van mortus.

Where has he gone to now he used to be the spokesperson did he not.?

Lefty Posted on 28/10/2011 11:22
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'Lefty what an absolute load of slanderous b0ll0cks'

Redcar Block 53, I have sat near the Red Faction this season and I recognised some of the daft young kids trying to get at the Derby fans as having been sat with or, at the very least, in close proximity to the Red Faction in the past.

Now, they may well not be members of Red Faction - I'm not sure how your membership scheme works - but they are certainly attaching themselves to your coat tails. If I can't tell that they are not with you, how will the club?

It makes no difference what my attitude to Red Faction is, but the Club is in a different position. It can't be seen to support a group that at least appears to have a growing hooligan element, surely?

'I can honestly say EVERY single RF lad was still in the stadium when some kids began goading the Derby support.'

Perhaps they weren't there when this 'began', but you'd all gone by the time I left pitchside. By the time the rest of the disabled had gone down in the lifts a couple at a time, I was just about the last one left looking out on the pitch and the stadium was empty.

skiprat Posted on 28/10/2011 11:38
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boro_tyke - When remembering the FA Cup Semi Final you might care to remember the European games in and amongst that period where most fans had already spunked money up the wall.

I was there but can quite easily see why others didn't go, especially with the despicable prices that were on offer for that match.

[rle]

Edwin Posted on 28/10/2011 11:40
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True fans would have gone further into debt Skiprat don't you know.

Or some such b*llocks.

lockey Posted on 28/10/2011 13:15
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BoroSniper77-

You were one the lads in RF from the start weren't you?

oooooo Posted on 28/10/2011 13:29
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What is laughable is that boro_tyke is having a go at others for not being as hardcore as him yet I honestly do not know another boro fan who would don the replica shirt of another team and go see them instead.

BoroSniper77 Posted on 28/10/2011 13:43
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You already know this lockey but I think Redcar Block 53 would be an ideal spokesperson for RF.

regards

BS77

degsyspesh Posted on 28/10/2011 13:51
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I like RF and what they are trying to do, but B_T - you are truly embarrassing......


lockey Posted on 28/10/2011 13:54
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It was Just one word before your name wasnt it?

Drop us an email mate.
mfc_1986@hotmail.co.uk

Edwin Posted on 28/10/2011 13:59
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I think Humpty's thread puts this one to bed.

Sorry for the genuine ones amongst you, but the club shouldn't give you the time of day. Clearly too many dickheads amongst your ranks/associates.

grantus Posted on 28/10/2011 14:09
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Hold on a second - is it against the rules to wind up the visiting supporters?

BoroSniper77 Posted on 28/10/2011 14:36
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Lockey who were you refering to mate, regarding your email?

TheRock Posted on 28/10/2011 17:16
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Now, they may well not be members of Red Faction - I'm not sure how your membership scheme works - but they are certainly attaching themselves to your coat tails. If I can't tell that they are not with you, how will the club?

RF members wear scarfs.

crouchy Posted on 28/10/2011 17:28
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MFC know who is and isn't RF in the stands all RF are on the first 4/5 rows and is highlighted on a little stadium map at the ticket office I believe.

Hope that clears it up for you fella :)

lockey Posted on 28/10/2011 18:44
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Yes buddy, doesnt matter now though i got it sorted. cheers anyway