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SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 19:38
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this vid a worth watching[:D] only 5min.


Link: must see

Pauluka Posted on 13/09/2011 19:44
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[:D]

Rauko Posted on 13/09/2011 19:46
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Pretty much sums it up .. [8D]

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 19:47
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good satire [:D] i just hope nobody actually believes there was a conspiracy based on the video though, that would be silly and missing the point!

daniboy Posted on 13/09/2011 20:02
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if anyone believes a plane hit the pentagon building they need their head checking[smi]

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:07
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not a single ounce of aircraft remains were found at the pentagon site, it vapourised into thin air


the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:08
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still didnt stop the media brainwashed mongs on here celebrating the so called confirmed death of bin laden as if they had won the lottery

Pauluka Posted on 13/09/2011 20:08
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Yes there was Dude, don't believe everything you read

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:12
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actually there wasnt pauluka


Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 20:14
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Oh good, Dude's back and, true to form, is using the same disgusting insults as ever.

Again, good to see being banned for such things works well!

SidSnot Posted on 13/09/2011 20:16
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I'll repeat the same thing I say to all the 911 Pentagon aircraft threads. I had a work colleague on that flight. If the plane didn't crash into the Pentagon, then where the fcuk is he?

oooooo Posted on 13/09/2011 20:16
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"mongs"

[sad]

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 20:18
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dude is right there was people on here celebrating obl death. most the people i know were to. its amazing how ignorant people are. said so on tv so must be true attitude[|)]

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:20
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[rle]adi following me around like a lingering fart

how exciting

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 20:23
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sid sorry to her that mate, if no plane hit it. it looks, taking all the evidence into account that one never. your friend on that flight got shot down by fighters/missile? either way he was murdered. RIP.

Moggas-mukka Posted on 13/09/2011 20:24
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There were remains of the pentagon aircraft found FACT

Do one nut jobs [ref]

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 20:25
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Following you around because I happened to read a 9/11 thread two days after the anniversary and coincidentally you were on spouting your usual disgraceful insults?

Erm, ok then, whatever gets you through the night.

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 20:25
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"not a single ounce of aircraft remains were found at the pentagon site, it vapourised into thin air"


Why don't you stick it into Google, you'll find some pictures straight away.

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 20:27
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"not a single ounce of aircraft remains were found at the pentagon site, it vapourised into thin air"


What evidence?

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 20:28
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if the plane HAD been shot down (which it wasn't btw) then where did it come down, in a secret place no-one knows about, come on, think about it, it wasn't shot down and vanished into thin air without leaving a trace was it??!!

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:30
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why dont you stick 'war on terror' into google and see how much bullXXXXXX comes up

the problem with this board is that a few doyles think its the world according to them and instantly try and shoot other peoples ideas down


the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:31
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strange then adi, if you posted because it was about 9/11 that you forget to post anything about the subject and just posted your usual waffle about the dude etc

like i said, like a lingering fart



Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 20:32
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"why dont you stick 'war on terror' into google and see how much bullXXXXXX comes up"


Why change the subject?

scally Posted on 13/09/2011 20:33
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Is this supposed to be the truth or satire? Cauldn't tell because after 20 seconds that commentators voice got on me XXXXXXing tits.

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 20:34
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its supposed to be satire scally, but some people, sadly, think its the truth

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 20:36
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IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FLY A PLANE INTO THE PENTAGON AT THAT ANGLE!!

do you really think a inexperianced pilot could do it??? experienced airline pilots have come out and said themselves they wouldnt be able to do it.

stop being so blinkered. the whole event of 9/11 stinks to the high heavens.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:37
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my opinion on the 'war on terror' isnt fueled by some XXXXXXty 20 second you tube clip

in the same way that robert mugabe isnt a terroist because there is no oil in zimbabwe

the general public have been getting bullXXXXXXted for years under this XXXXXXy christian flag of 'justice' routine






1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 20:40
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do i think an inexperienced pilot could crash a plane? yes i do!! and they had plenty of hours flying under their belts as well, not just in single/two-seaters, but many hours in sims for larger craft as well

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:41
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why did the third tower go down when nothing hit it

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 20:42
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I think you'll find dude that I said I had read the thread, not that I had contributed and that you just happened to be on here. I responded because of your use, yet again, of quite disgraceful insults that I find offensive.

On the subject, I think there are a lot of questions that remain unanswered. It isn't beyond belief that something has been covered up, just look at the justifications for the Vietnam war.

That cover up could be simply covering up mistakes or a lack of decisive action but there are a number of things that I don't think have been explained properly.

WTC 7 is one that sticks out to me.

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 20:42
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"IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FLY A PLANE INTO THE PENTAGON AT THAT ANGLE!!"


Yet plenty of people seen it happen, and not one seen a missle, or any other b0110cks you may believe happened.

There were plenty of aircraft parts found in the wreckage, plus bodies of passengers and stewardesses.

Not rocket science is it?

Space_Face Posted on 13/09/2011 20:42
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How do you explain the many witnesses that saw a large silver airliner crash into the Pentagon?

no_user_name Posted on 13/09/2011 20:43
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"do you really think an inexperianced pilot could do it???"

Yeah, because it happened. [rle]

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 20:44
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why did the third tower go down when nothing hit it

because it was critically damaged by hundreds of tons of falling masonry and steel, other building didn't come down because they were not so terminally damaged

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 20:44
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ha ha ha what a joke, you think a bloke who has a few hours an a flight sim can fly a plane like a pro. you need to have a look a vid sowing its alleged flight path. i'll have a look for you. yer deluded man[:D]

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:45
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there still hasnt been a valid explanation as to why a sky scraper collapsed like a pack of cards for no reason


that third plane that crashed in the middle of nowhere was meant to hit it

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 20:48
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a few hundred hours flying time is nearer the truth than just a few hours. you dont need to fly an aircraft like a pro to crash it. i've seen plenty of vid and docu's which explain how what occurred is perfectly possible, proved even further by the fact it DID occur

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:48
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i think the theory that wtc 7 fell because of rubble etc is a load of XXXXXX to be honest

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 20:50
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of course you're entitled to that opinion, i find it more plausible than the US govt blowing it up tbh

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 20:51
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"there still hasnt been a valid explanation as to why a sky scraper collapsed like a pack of cards for no reason"


But there has, from numerous people after years of research into it.

Rather than asking easy questions (which have been answered) why not tell us what you think happened. All of the conspiracy theorists theories fall flat on their face when they try to explain what they think happened.

The real debate would be why some people are so open to believe wild conspiracy theories.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:52
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actually chester, there hasnt

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 20:54
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but there has, that it inescapable, even if you choose to ignore over the conspiracy theories

Red_Matter Posted on 13/09/2011 20:54
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Is this the thread for nutters? You know, the ones that calls others mongs? [:o)]

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 20:54
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There are things about the collapse of WTC 7 that simply don't ring true. It didn't sustain significant damage and it wasn't on fire. It fell in 7 seconds as if there were no resistance. It looked strange. To me anyway.

no_user_name Posted on 13/09/2011 20:55
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Whats wrong about it then dude?

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 20:57
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i agree it looked strange, but so did many things that day and because there is no reference point, no yard-stick by which to measure such collapses as they are unique, they are bound to look strange

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 20:57
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"actually chester, there hasnt"

Well, what can I say, I could provide a link but don't see the point, I'll only end up with a load of drivel back.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:58
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its the only scyscraper in the history of mankind that has collapsed like a pack of cards because of fires(the official excuse)

and the way it collapsed, as if it was built by gypos in 10 minutes

and the fact 90% of the media releases about terror and the war is bullXXXXXX propoganda for people to get rich of oil and arms sales, that tends to make you more suspicious of governments, and the twisted amercian government especially

oooooo Posted on 13/09/2011 20:58
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Just what are collapsing buildings supposed to look like?

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 20:59
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And by the way, I'm an intelligent bloke and I don't believe in a major conspiracy. All I'm saying is that I have questions that icant find answers to. There probably are answers but I don't think we have been given the whole truth.

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 20:59
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"There are things about the collapse of WTC 7 that simply don't ring true. It didn't sustain significant damage and it wasn't on fire. It fell in 7 seconds as if there were no resistance. It looked strange. To me anyway."


Maybe so but the alternative answers would be far far stranger, and more unbelievable.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 20:59
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thats ok chester

what you say is ther truth and what i say is drivel, thanks

the world according to chester where nobody is allowed there own views


oooooo Posted on 13/09/2011 20:59
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OK dude, if it didn't collapse due to a fire, then why did it collapse?

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 21:01
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"the world according to chester where nobody is allowed there own views"


Come on then, what's your view?

no_user_name Posted on 13/09/2011 21:01
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Ok, thats a nice opinion, I take you're a structural engineer?

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 21:01
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it's also the only skyscraper in the history of mankind that has collapsed like a pack of cards because 2 even bigger skyscrapers came down very close to it. as i say, if there is no reference point, no previous example, its not possible to predict accurately what will happen

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:02
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i'm not sure of the destruction mechanism

but i don't think the wind blow it over and fires didnt because it wasnt made out of wood

Space_Face Posted on 13/09/2011 21:03
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'It didn't sustain significant damage and it wasn't on fire'

Adi, it did and it was.

oooooo Posted on 13/09/2011 21:05
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Do fires only damage wooden structures then?


SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 21:06
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here look at this short video about flight 77. [^]


Link: did flight 77 hit the pentagon

TheSmogMonster Posted on 13/09/2011 21:06
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There was a TV program on the other night about conspiracies surrounding 9/11 where a bunch of believers got to put their views to experts, who soundly trounced the 'beliefs' with evidence.

Pretty much all the believers admitted they were wrong. A lass landed a plane with less then 30 minutes experience, photos of the wreckage inside the pentagon was shown, an engineer explained the falling of the towers.

The problem with 'believers' is that they don't rationally asses the evidence. They decide the contrary position must be right, and then get too emotionally involved to change their minds.

I used to have my doubts, but the more you look into it the evidence is all there. If you have an honest look into it it is anyway.

no_user_name Posted on 13/09/2011 21:06
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"fire didnt because it wasnt made of wood"

Oh...my...god...

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:06
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I agree Chester. It's always safest to go to the most obvious answer because that's likely to be the truth. That said, I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning and interrogating it.

I think a lot of what is kept from us is more about mistakes that were made and exposing just how badly the US managed the situation.

I always remember several interviews with Bush as well in which he talked about when he found out what was happening. He repeated the same error, namely that he watched the first plane hit the first tower. That wasn't televised and the video wasn't released until the next day.

Now that might be because he is stupid but it's a strange thing to say because most have seen the video of him being told about the second plane hitting.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:07
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[^]i will always be sceptical, i think its a very good trait to have


especially where america are involved, biggest mass murderers in human history, the amercian dream, you have to be asleep to believe it

Space_Face Posted on 13/09/2011 21:07
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'The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.'

'A little north of Vesey I said, weíll go down, letís see whatís going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see whatís going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didnít look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didnít look good.'

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/09/2011 21:08
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Pathetic is the only word the adequately sums up some of the opinion about 9/11 on this thread.

If the US government actually did conspire to stage a huge 'terrorist' attack, would they really pick NYC, in a scenario of so many potential variables?

FFS, its the fantasy of educationally challenged morons.

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 21:10
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i watched that programme too smogmonster, all apart from that ridiculously self-centred blonde lass seemed to accept, in the end, most of the conspiracy theories didn't hold any water. she was a nut job though and would say anything to save face

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:11
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no, but fires couldnt not make hundres of structural h beams all collapse at the same time, which is what happened, unless the buidling was full of high explosives



George1507 Posted on 13/09/2011 21:11
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WTC didn't fall because of rubble hitting it. It fell because the fires that were burning inside it caused a failure of the steel structure of the building, which caused the side to bulge out, and then collapse.

The FDNY noted that they couldn't put the fire out because of low water pressure after the collapse of WTC1 and 2. The Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE), the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE), the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC), the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH), and the Structural Engineers Association of New York were all involved in the investigation into what happened.

It's worth noting that WTC7 collapsed at about 5.20EDT, which is about 7 and 7Ĺ hours after the collapse of the South and North Towers respectively. Rubble damage wouldn't have caused it to fail that long after being damaged.

I know some people can't look further than conspiracies, but this is ridiculous.


1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 21:12
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fires couldnt not make hundres of structural h beams all collapse at the same time

no, but tons and tons of falling masonry and steel could, and indeed did

edit after reading Georges post:

as i understand it, the falling debris caused the massive hole in the side which enabled the fires to spread and grow and provide the air/fuel for the fires to reach temperatures which ultimately brought the building down. the falling debris severely weakened the structural integrity of the building which made it all the easier for the fires to cause metal fatigue and cause it to collapse

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:13
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Well that's cleared that up for me Space Face! I can't say I've studied it that closely recently. I did read a lot about it after it happened and my memory is obviously not as good as it might be!

And Jonny, that last sentence is almost as bad as the dudes comments. It's beneath you. I understand the sentiment but asking questions is important. I don't believe in a conspiracy but I do believe that certain information has been withheld.

no_user_name Posted on 13/09/2011 21:14
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So you're not a structural engineer then dude?

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:16
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Fires could cause the collapse actually dude. Fire at a high enough temp could cause major structural deficit in the steel meaning that it could hold less weight. With the amount of weight bearing down on that buckling and weakening steel something eventually gives and it did.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:16
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modern buidlings with steel foundations cannot collapse like a pack of cards with fires

its not as if it was the towering inferno and was burning for 3 days solid

there are thousands of engineers who ridicule the notion that fires could 'melt' millions of tonnes of low carbon 2 inch thick h beams all at the same time

then again, there are experts who said there were no weapons of mass destruction but that didnt stop everyone believing it

believe what you want, im off to asda to get some steel firelighters



Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/09/2011 21:18
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I actually think its insulting to the people who tragically had their lives taken that day, and to those families who were ledt behind.

I think given the circumstances and the absolute nonsense on some of these posts, my comments are more than justified.

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 21:18
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so one side of 7 was damaged and that brought the whole building down. why? should the damaged side collapse? have you ever seen a building demolition go wrong? i have and if you put a charge in the wrong place if messes it up. for it to come down so perfect it had to be a demo job imo.

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:20
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One comment isn't Jonny, if I'm taking it the right way, which I might not be. That one comment about being 'educationally chalkenged' is not right and, as I said, is beneath you. I find it highly offensive.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:20
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heat actually gives steel more plastic deformity and more ductility

what temperatues are we talking about here, i accept that a few beams could go, but there were hundreds and they all went at the same time

1st_time_caller Posted on 13/09/2011 21:24
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think of it like a bloke karate chopping 10 tiles dude. you dont actually need to break through 10 as there are gaps in between them, once the top one is broken, the remainder are easier to break as they have increasingly more weight bearing upon them, thus all the tiles/beams go at once (or very close together in terms of time frame)

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:25
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The failure of the steel was due to two factors: loss of strength due to the temperature of the fire, and loss of structural integrity due to distortion of the steel from the non-uniform temperatures in the fire. Those two things added to the damage the aircrafts themselves had caused was enough to cause the collapse.

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:28
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a ceramic tile has no ductility whatsoever so the analogy stinks

you stick to your belief of all things amercian

i have my own thoughts on certain things thanks

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/09/2011 21:29
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Its directed Adi as those people who, despite the wealth of information to the contrary and that the suggestion of a conspiricy is so far fetched it beggers belief, still refuse to acknowlkedge the obvious.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions, as you put it, quite the opposite, but the sensationalism of some of the theories I find hugley offensive to those who lost their lives that day.


SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 21:30
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you guys are getting all your info from experts who are clearly in on it so to speak. its a monolithic conspiracy. just like JFK talked about before they murdered him.


Link: JFK talking straight

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 21:31
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Like I said Dude, it's easy to pick holes in things without any opinion of your own.

Why ignore any contrary evidence to your argument as well?

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:31
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steel doesnt weaken with heat input, infact the opposite, heat is added to beams often to anneal it and give it more strength

wow adi, im amazed at your gullibility, one minute your suspicious of it, then you read an anicdotal tale and your suddenly convinced

you change your mind more times than soft mick, next youll be telling me you rate caleb folan


Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:32
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I agree with you Jonny, just the learning difficulties point I am taking issue with. I'm probably over sensitive on it but it's something I have personal experience with, that's all.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 13/09/2011 21:33
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*Opens thread, sniffs...

Files under bogie-men, Plazmuh, Fairies, Yeti, Loch Ness Monster.

Leaves*

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:35
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i think ive expressed my opinion, maybe you should get your eyesight tested chester


i haven't ignored any 'evidence' , i'm merely questioning it as it isn't as clear cut as it should be'

i think you should question your ego and arrogance on the matter, and why your so apposed to people looking at the world from other angles and not just sky news


Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:36
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And that's why it's impossible to have a reasoned debate with you dude.

I posted that WTC 7 wasn't on fire and wasn't badly damaged. Space Face, who clearly knows more about it than me Has proven me wrong. No shame in admitting that is there?

I've never ever said that I believe there was a conspiracy, just that we haven't been given the full story possibly for a number of reasons I've already outlined.

So I suggest you grow up a bit and try and engage in some adult debate.

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 21:36
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close to a tonne here like come on lads you cant leave it there!! dude tell them how it is they clearly know nothing about anything the fools.[;)]

oooooo Posted on 13/09/2011 21:36
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"steel doesnt weaken with heat input"

So how *do* you melt steel? [:D]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/09/2011 21:38
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I think you are being over-sensitive, but in any case if I've caused you offence I apologise.

I think more appropriate questions should be about how middle-eastern terrorists, especially Bin Laden, were financed (by the west), whether MOSSAD knew of the attack before it happened and why the US was so ill-prepared to react to such a rudimentary attack.

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 21:39
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thin kyuo have to heat it to 2000 degrees to melt it. in he 9/11 report thye said it was heated to 1500degs which was enough to weaken it so the whole thing collapsed at exactly the same time on all sides. GASP

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 21:39
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"so one side of 7 was damaged and that brought the whole building down. why? should the damaged side collapse? have you ever seen a building demolition go wrong? i have and if you put a charge in the wrong place if messes it up. for it to come down so perfect it had to be a demo job imo."


Have you been reading th thread at all?

So if it was a demolition job when were the explosives rigged? Why didn't anyone working there notice? Why have none of the hundreds of demolition men who would have to have been involved ever spoken out?


the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:41
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bin laden was trained by the cia, the yanks used the afghans at the end of the cold war against the russians

bush flew all his relatives out(bin dippers) of the us immidiately after the three towers collapsed as he had money coming from them

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/09/2011 21:42
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Because the mere suggestion of explosives is nonsense SC!

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:43
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It didn't have to melt, it had to weaken, that's a common error. Steel softens at 450 degrees. Couple that with the physical damage the planes caused and you have your answer.

Jonny - no you're right, I'm being over sensitive. Just read it again. You can ignore me!


the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:44
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i dont buy fires pulled it down, and it seems half the board say it was rubble, half fire, then the rest a combination of both and sort of passing the buck

you could set any sky scraper or tall building on fire and it wouldnt get hot enough to melt and collapse as if its made from balsa wood

it isnt just my opinion, theres thousands of qualified structural engineers online who say the same thing, id go with there opinions as apposed to a few lads off here who work part times in nettos

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 21:44
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Its a monolithic conspiracy, that means lot and lots of people were involved. including engineers etc. did you know the emergence headquaters for NYC were in building 7, but fortunatly they set up somewhere else that day lucky eh

Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 13/09/2011 21:44
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100

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/09/2011 21:46
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"You can ignore me!"

I'm trying Adi, but its taking time. [;)]

Space_Face Posted on 13/09/2011 21:46
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You night as well bang your head against a wall as expect Dude to listen to reason, Adi!

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 21:48
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if no explisives were used then why is there footage on the day of people taljking about hereing load explosions. as for building 7 fire men were telling people to get back as they were going to blow it(building 7)

anyway going ot bed now got me 100:) night all

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:49
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High-rise buildings are over-engineered to have strength many times greater than would needed to survive the most extreme conditions anticipated. It may take well over a ten-fold reduction in strength to cause a structural failure.

If a steel structure does experience a collapse due to extreme temperatures, the collapse tends to remain localized to the area that experienced the high temperatures.

The kind of low-carbon steel used in buildings and automobiles bends rather than shatters. If part of a structure is compromised by extreme temperatures, it may bend in that region, conceivably causing a large part of the structure to sag or even topple. However, there is no example of a steel structure crumbling into many pieces because of any combination of structural damage and heating, outside of the alleged cases of the Twin Towers and Building 7.

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:51
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Easy to mistake explosions for floors collapsing and given that two towers had just collapsed maybe emergency services were keeping people away just in case WTC7 collapsed.

Senor_Chester Posted on 13/09/2011 21:53
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"as for building 7 fire men were telling people to get back as they were going to blow it(building 7)"


What? No they weren't!

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 13/09/2011 21:53
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"as for building 7 fire men were telling people to get back as they were going to blow it(building 7)"

So some of the NYFD were complicit in the conspiricy as well, despite knowing that scores of their colleagues had been murdered?

Nonsense.

Adi_Dem Posted on 13/09/2011 21:54
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Skyscrapers are designed to support themselves for three hours in a fire even if the sprinkler system fails to operate. This time should be long enough to evacuate the occupants. The WTC towers lasted for one to two hoursóless than the design life, but only because the fire fuel load was so large. No normal office fires would fill 4,000 square meters of floor space in the seconds in which the WTC fire developed. Usually, the fire would take up to an hour to spread so uniformly across the width and breadth of the building. This was a very large and rapidly progressing fire (very high heat but not unusually high temperature).


Link: Here

George1507 Posted on 13/09/2011 21:54
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This is taken from the report undertaken by all those organisations I listed in the message above.


...the lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near Column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, Column 79 soon buckled - pulling the East penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the entire building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, fueled by office contents, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse...

We all saw recordings of the planes crashing into the WTC, we saw the buildings collapse. I have no idea how or why anyone would think that what happened was anything other than what has been reported.


the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 13/09/2011 21:56
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40% of amercians think the earth is less than 3000 years old

that population has been fed bullXXXXXX for years and years, its an odd mix of intelligent rich people running it, and thick as pig XXXXXX ignorant racist religious freaks

SGATE_NOSE_BEST Posted on 13/09/2011 22:03
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they did seen the footage. maybe they were trying to use a small explosion to blow out the fire. however bet they never expected the whole thing to come down. never said anything about firemen or police being responsible or involved in the terror attack. stop assuming. right i'm off now.

remember what i said there is a monolithic conpiracy going on in the world. all our leaders care about is money, they do not care wether we live or die.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 13/09/2011 22:20
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"steel doesnt weaken with heat"

[B)]

oooooo Posted on 13/09/2011 22:29
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[:D]

None of it looks like any demolition job I have ever seen.

For starters, it started to collapse at the point of impact. How do you get that many demo charges installed in that one floor without anyone noticing and have it all hold together after a collision with a flying object that causes a massive fireball?

PinkPonce Posted on 13/09/2011 22:31
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'steel doesnt weaken with heat input, infact the opposite'

[:D]

FŻcking priceless!

PP ... x

no_user_name Posted on 13/09/2011 23:07
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Dude, the impact and subsequent fires allowed the conditions for the WTC to collapse under its own weight.

No longer able to support their own weight because of the loss of strength due to the temperature of the fire, and loss of structural integrity due to distortion of the steel from the non-uniform temperatures in the fire, ten floors (or more) started dropping on to each other one after another in an unstoppable chain reaction, eventually the huge weight(roughly 45,000t) of those floors overwhelmed the intact steel angle clips of the floors below.

This started the domino effect that caused the buildings to collapse within ten seconds.



Link: More here.

expat_smoggie Posted on 13/09/2011 23:19
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This just in..,

http://pardonthepundit.com/default.aspx?ID=50

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 13/09/2011 23:22
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My girlfriend made me watch one of these conspiracy documentaries the other week and I thought it'd be absolutely XXXXXXe but it was quite good.

I thought the Pentagon part was particularly interesting. Considering the devastation of the Twin Towers the initial damage looked nowhere near enough for an air liner to have caused it. Also considering this is meant to be one of the most secure buildings on earth why is there no footage of it?

I also think the pilots would struggle to fly a Boeing without practice, nevermind hit a target on the ground bang on...

badger_627 Posted on 13/09/2011 23:27
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I also think the pilots would struggle to fly a Boeing without practice, nevermind hit a target on the ground bang on...

The Pentagon's huge, I don't think it would be that hard to CRASH something into it

oooooo Posted on 13/09/2011 23:32
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There's no footage of any of the other attacks other than from cameras that happened to be there and cameras from news organisations that arrived.

I've seen pretty little from security cameras on the WTC attic. I guess most security cameras are not pointing back at the building.

As for piloting the plane, I've sat in a co-pilot seat to someone flying a turbo-prop and it's a bit scary how matter-of-fact the controls are. It was just like he was driving a car as he swung it in for landing. He wasn't on a knife edge worrying he'd miss a turn by a tiny amount and kill us. The margins simply aren't that narrow.

Planes are *designed* to be easy to fly, especially the jumbos. And they didn't even need to land it. **ANYONE** could do a couple of hours in a simulator and crash a jumbo. Some of those pilots had done a lot of training in light-winged aircraft. I think you're underestimating how much insight that sort of training could give.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 13/09/2011 23:36
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So they manage to fly a 757 without having done so before for an hour into the base of the American Military?

Must pick things up really well. Took me 2/3 lessons before I could parallel park a Clio...

Space_Face Posted on 13/09/2011 23:38
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What do you think hit the Pentagon Chris? And where did the airliner, and all it's passengers, end up?

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 13/09/2011 23:47
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Don't know and don't know.

Not really that arsed. Just got me thinking.

The dimensions of the damage were all wrong as well.

Space_Face Posted on 13/09/2011 23:50
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A crashing plane doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a concrete building.


Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 13/09/2011 23:55
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The two that smashed into the Twin Towers left holes as big as themselves.

I'm not saying I believe the conspiracy but I wouldn't mind watching a few more documentaries on the whole thing.. Was quite interesting.

Space_Face Posted on 14/09/2011 00:00
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It is interesting, I agree.

But as well as the many 'experts' providing evidence it could have happened the way it did, there were *lots* of witnesses who saw the plane crash - quite a few experienced US Army/Airforce at the scene.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 14/09/2011 00:07
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They'll have been in on it as well. [:D]

Anyhow. Off to bed.

Space_Face Posted on 14/09/2011 00:12
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[:D]

Night!

oooooo Posted on 14/09/2011 00:19
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The one that hit the Pentagon hit the lawn just outside it as the pictures show. The wreckage at 500 mph it the Pentagon more like a buckshot of 757 bits.

There's not much structurally to jumbos, they have to fly after all. But when they crash all they have is kinetic energy which smashes the impact zone (WTC 1 and 2) but they are effectively a thin metal around fuel and fuselage. You'll find bits of engine but that's IT!!!

oooooo Posted on 14/09/2011 00:21
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A good example is the Lockerbie crash. When you see the impact crater, there's very little recognisable aircraft left. Large chunks that detached thousands of feet above are found separately but it just looks like a ploughed field.

captain5 Posted on 14/09/2011 00:54
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They pulled loads of bits of aeroplane debris from the Pentagon site anyway.

This thread proves more than any other (until the next one), that some people have a real imagination/intelligence balance problem.

Torino Posted on 14/09/2011 01:06
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'steel doesnt weaken with heat input, infact the opposite'


This coming from the man who thinks its weird for people believing in god [:D]

You really are an imbecile

darlonorth Posted on 14/09/2011 01:10
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'the dude' you are a massive idiot.

north_east_invader Posted on 14/09/2011 08:09
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"i'll have a look for you. yer deluded man[:D]"

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*picks self up off floor.

ChristsChin Posted on 14/09/2011 11:21
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The thing that gets me about Tower 7 is the fact that the BBC reported it's collapse well before it actually happened.
It's almost as if they knew .....