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RedcarBlock53 Posted on 04/09/2011 18:52
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For anyone wanting to get involved or just find out more about the group. Help support The Boro with passion, noise and colour.


Link: Up The Boro

FC_Twente_Bensons Posted on 04/09/2011 19:36
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great video on there, i sat next to them for the first time for the brum game, anyone who complains about them needs their head looking at, pure class from start to finish, what footy games should be like. Not 'be quiet whilst we sit and sip our coffee you noisy louts, what what'.

Barnsy Posted on 04/09/2011 21:07
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RF [^]

Rapid-Viagra Posted on 05/09/2011 10:06
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UTB [^]

Powlay Posted on 05/09/2011 11:46
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You boys going to the reserve game tomorrow? you always add to the atmosphere [^]

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 05/09/2011 12:20
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Think a couple of the lads are Powlay. You goin Barnsley tonight?

Zemmamas_Visa Posted on 05/09/2011 14:42
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HHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFF[^]

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 07/09/2011 23:52
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Toe punt

erimus74 Posted on 08/09/2011 04:18
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Hoof, always been a great supporter of the RF, even in the dark days when the club were at their lowest ebb the RF kept on trying to create an atmosphere, fantastic support, with all appreciating their loyal backing, keep it up, UTB[^]

Fletch still think you were badly done to, fingers crossed your ban will be over for our return to the PL[^]

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/09/2011 18:30
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'Fletch still think you were badly done to, fingers crossed your ban will be over for our return to the PL'

He's moved to Germany with some Fräulein so think we've heard the last of his incessant noise [;)] . Final hoof.

degsyspesh Posted on 27/09/2011 20:12
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Out of interest, how's RF's relationship with the club going this season? Are the club still being obstructive or are they starting to see you as a positive?

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 27/09/2011 20:20
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Improved massively since around Moggas arrival. Slight relapse last Saturday but I'm sure that's because our top health and safety boy is also in the role down at Crystal Palace. We try to avoid conflict with the illuminous ones.

free_pint Posted on 23/10/2011 22:23
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HOOOOOFFF

Dynamo Posted on 23/10/2011 22:35
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When are the RF gonna put their banner up the right way? [:D]

CMPUNK Posted on 23/10/2011 22:36
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i never trust a forum you have to log into to view

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 23/10/2011 22:47
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'When are the RF gonna put their banner up the right way?'

It's a new splinter group the uoıʇɔɐɟ pǝɹ [xx(][cr]

Dynamo Posted on 23/10/2011 22:59
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> It's a new splinter group the uoıʇɔɐɟ pǝɹ [xx(][cr]

Splitarses? [;)]

since1970 Posted on 23/10/2011 23:05
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Why were the two RF banners hung upside down yesterday?

In europe its done as a sign of protest when their team's doing badly, is second in the league not good enough for you lot?

MFC_Riverside Posted on 23/10/2011 23:07
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Think it's because the Green Brigade do it. They like them.

since1970 Posted on 23/10/2011 23:10
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Being 9 points behind Rangers is probably why THEY do it!

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 23/10/2011 23:15
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2nd in the league is better than ever could be imagined [^]

free_pint Posted on 23/10/2011 23:35
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Nothing to do with league position, read Jeff Winters article on it...

Also what's with Riverside's posts tonight very bitchy...

TheRock Posted on 23/10/2011 23:38
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Cm Punk [:(]

ron_manager Posted on 23/10/2011 23:40
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Brilliant video[^]

enigma17 Posted on 23/10/2011 23:43
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So what's with the upside down banner then?

Robsons_left_boot Posted on 23/10/2011 23:44
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They are mostly Illiterate so I am not surprised.

outmac Posted on 23/10/2011 23:48
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have RF shares in Compass Royston ?

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 24/10/2011 00:10
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The rara bus? Erm no. [?]

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 09:16
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"So what's with the upside down banner then?"

As said it's a sign of protest, RF have had a display knocked back (millwall match) even though the Club fully agreed to it prior to us spending almost £300 to produce...got to the stadium a couple hours before kick-off and they said we've changed our mind, it's not coming in. No explanation, just spoken to rudely.

Been waiting for an official response since, nothing recieved. Went to the ground to ask why during the week, no one one come and spoke with us. Went to the ground at 10am on saturday with the display again (which fully adheres to the stadium safety regs, complete with fire certificate), waited patiently for 40 minutes, then the new safety officer turns up with two security guards and said rudely "It's not coming in, get out of my stadium", no hand shake, no respect...and no common courtesy towards us fans.

Unbelievable the way our Club treat us, we've tried to communicate and work in relavant harmony but MFC have shown us nothing but disregard and disrespect. Oh, and banning orders will now be given to fans who bring in 'illegal' banners...and evidently if you bring 'legal' ones they're not allowed either.

We won't give up the fight though

since1970 Posted on 24/10/2011 10:12
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Good on yer. [^]

oooooo Posted on 24/10/2011 11:11
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Have you got a picture of that banner?

EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 24/10/2011 11:22
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What a boring thread.

Rapid-Viagra Posted on 24/10/2011 12:28
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[^]


Link: Jeff Winter

red_shamrock Posted on 24/10/2011 12:33
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Been waiting for an official response since, nothing recieved. Went to the ground to ask why during the week, no one one come and spoke with us. Went to the ground at 10am on saturday with the display again (which fully adheres to the stadium safety regs, complete with fire certificate), waited patiently for 40 minutes, then the new safety officer turns up with two security guards and said rudely "It's not coming in, get out of my stadium", no hand shake, no respect...and no common courtesy towards us fans.

THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE DISCRACE..[:(]

skiprat Posted on 24/10/2011 12:54
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That is absolutely shocking like.

Why on Earth are they winding up everyone like that? Very petty.

oooooo Posted on 24/10/2011 13:00
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The RF seem to make a habit out of creating dramatic tension with the club.

Let's see this banner then, the one that got banned?

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 24/10/2011 13:02
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I'm neither here nor there with the whole RF v MFC thing but if that's true then they need to sort it out.

Relationships need to be built between the club and fans and not destroyed.

shaunb86 Posted on 24/10/2011 13:03
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bring back sue watson...she was lovely compared to the southern prat who is in charge now. claiming it his stadium [V]

gravyboat Posted on 24/10/2011 13:06
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'Been waiting for an official response since, nothing recieved. Went to the ground to ask why during the week, no one one come and spoke with us. Went to the ground at 10am on saturday with the display again (which fully adheres to the stadium safety regs, complete with fire certificate), waited patiently for 40 minutes, then the new safety officer turns up with two security guards and said rudely "It's not coming in, get out of my stadium", no hand shake, no respect...and no common courtesy towards us fans.'

That really is pathetic if true.

LoinerSmoggies Posted on 24/10/2011 13:09
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I agree rf just seem to want to upset the club anyway they can.Why don't you lot just support the team by singing instead of making a big fuss over all these stupid flags and banners ? Maybe you feel threatened by the Jorvikreds down at York !!!

shaunb86 Posted on 24/10/2011 13:14
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what a ridiculous attitude to have ^^^^ some fans want to bring banners and flags in to create colour and passion. the club allowed it at first then they changed their mind completely and made a set of guideline that were so funny i actually thought they were on a wind up. RF then meet these guidelines and the club say that it is fine to bring them in only to change their mind on the day of the game after a lot of time and money was spent going into it. i don't know if you just lie down and take crap in your life but when some people feel passionate about something then they fight for it.

lockey Posted on 24/10/2011 13:17
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Bit off topic but were have you lads been getting your banners fire proofed at? i have 2 that need doing.

gravyboat Posted on 24/10/2011 13:19
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'I agree rf just seem to want to upset the club anyway they can.Why don't you lot just support the team by singing instead of making a big fuss over all these stupid flags and banners ?'

Absolute tosh.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 24/10/2011 13:31
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"I agree rf just seem to want to upset the club anyway they can.Why don't you lot just support the team by singing instead of making a big fuss over all these stupid flags and banners ?'"

Like I said i'm neither here nor there about RF v MFC.

That being said; the club have made several hoops for RF to jump through to ensure the safety of other fans.

If RF have adhered to those rules (despite them being onerous) and the club have still refused then that is a disgrace.

I'm not usually a splitty that moans about the club to be honest but is it only me that seems to think elements of our club are run in an amateurish fashion?

youngson19 Posted on 24/10/2011 13:33
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Bit off topic, but me and my old man use to go to the matches we were season ticket holders him for 10+ years and me 6 years.

We decided to stop going due to the price and the lack of atmosphere and the non support from certain sections of fans. We had our seats in the North Stand right behind the goal, I miss going to the matches but I feel out of place.

I want to sing and cheer my team on but you get abuse from not only stewards but also other fans if you do so.

I'm not having some jumped up tit who decides to take the girlfriend to the match for a "romantic" gesture telling me to be quite because I'm disturbing their peaceful get together.

Might sound a daft reason to stop going but like I said I feel out of place and alienated because I want to support my team how every fan should.

I went last game of the season and saw the Red faction lot standing and singing, actually supporting the team and for me thats what going to the match is all about.

If Red faction keep it up and grow then I may return but until then I will just continue going to the first game, boxing day and last game of season.


Kind regards
J

Space_Face Posted on 24/10/2011 13:36
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What's on the banned banner?

oooooo Posted on 24/10/2011 13:39
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Well there seems to be a bit of a media black-out over what is on that banner.

I'm sure it's totally harmless but it's a bit suspicious that they won't post a link to it.

shaunb86 Posted on 24/10/2011 13:44
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EBD - spot on.

Also am sure someone will post up what was on the banner but i can assure you that its content wasn't the reason for the club saying no it can't come in.

another bone with the club is the way in which they have now employed 'bouncers' to man certain areas of the ground. i am now getting searched and spoken to like i am a piece of crap on their shoe when going to the game. its actually getting beyond a joke and something needs to be done about it. i sometimes think they are out in place to cause a reaction so they can justify their actions.

gravyboat Posted on 24/10/2011 13:47
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Why won't you tell us?

shaunb86 Posted on 24/10/2011 13:50
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because i had no input into its design so wouldn't want to spoil the concept incase the club were to ever let the lads use it.


youngson19 Posted on 24/10/2011 13:51
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May I just ask has Red Faction became political?

I'm just reading your forum and there is a few communist slogans and pictures of Left wing "heroes".

Is Red Faction A-political i.e. members of both leanings can join or are you a Left wing Ultra group?

[?]

Regards
J

oooooo Posted on 24/10/2011 13:57
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It's difficult to gather support when you decide to only tell half-truths. I can guarantee that the banner has something on it that they don't like.

As for the club harassing you, they don't seem to do this for anyone else. Why would that be?

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 24/10/2011 14:02
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Lockey the material was bought with the certificate, at about 3 times the normal price. One of the lads would be able to give you the exact details.

The message was Pro Boro and indeed MFC, nothing untoward or any hidden meaning. People may be sceptical about posting it up incase another team got hold of it and countered it taking the mickey as happens in europe quite a lot and in the Old Firm recently.

@ Youngson19. Apolitical [^]

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 14:02
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"The RF seem to make a habit out of creating dramatic tension with the club"

Read the actual message mate, we have been in dialogue with the club all season...we've had numerous displays knocked back, this is simply stating the facts...the Club had agreed to a display, we produce it, they then knock it back! They have now expressed that anyone displaying an 'illegal' banner will be subject to a banning order...yet fireproofed and totally legal banners/displays can be refused entry without even so much as an explanation, or ounce of respect in this case.


fatharrywhite Posted on 24/10/2011 14:03
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"I want to sing and cheer my team on but you get abuse from not only stewards but also other fans if you do so."

utter bollox about fans giving abuse


oooooo Posted on 24/10/2011 14:04
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Yeah, there's more to it than meets the eye. For example, have the 12th man ever had any banners knocked back? Why do you think that is?

Space_Face Posted on 24/10/2011 14:05
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I always found it a bit odd that a Boro fans group don't want members wearing Boro shirts.

youngson19 Posted on 24/10/2011 14:07
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How the f*ck would you know? Were you there?

I've been to plenty of times to sit down by people behind when we've scored or stand up to sing with the rest of the North stand.

At an away game at Blackburn a "boro fan" called stewards up to tell the back row to sit down because we were too "noisy" this resulted in 4 people being ejected by stewards.

So pipe down because you haven't got a clue.


@RedcarBlock53 Thanks for the answer [^]


Regards
J


lockey Posted on 24/10/2011 14:09
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"Yeah, there's more to it than meets the eye. For example, have the 12th man ever had any banners knocked back? Why do you think that is?"

we have had a few knocked back this season mate.Its just one of them things that you have to live with. I or we don't think its in anyway the clubs fault, The saftey officer has to adhere to rules set by the council rather than the club itself.

oooooo Posted on 24/10/2011 14:10
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"I've been to plenty of times to sit down by people behind when we've scored or stand up to sing with the rest of the North stand."

Does the first match of the season, boxing day and the last match constitute 'plenty'?

oooooo Posted on 24/10/2011 14:13
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"we have had a few knocked back this season mate.Its just one of them things that you have to live with. I or we don't think its in anyway the clubs fault, The saftey officer has to adhere to rules set by the council rather than the club itself."

Are you referring to 12th man stuff? I'm confused here because for a while there was loads of banner being put up and now everything seems to have changed. Are the club just not happy with the number of them now?

youngson19 Posted on 24/10/2011 14:14
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ooooo

Just out curiosity did you read my post?

I was a season ticket holder for 6 years and went to every European home game and every Carling cup game and the final.

W@nker.

[8)]


Regards
J


Space_Face Posted on 24/10/2011 14:16
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I didn't dare jump up when Maccarone scored that winner through fear of reprisals.

Rapid-Viagra Posted on 24/10/2011 14:16
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Just out of curiosity is the big COME ON BORO banner at the back of the north stand fireproofed ?

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 14:17
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Just to catch up with the thread, I guarantee the banner (12x5meter) and card display were 'pro Boro'...and as a fact the design including size and card display were all fully agreed to by the club well in advance of the match...It was simply refused and we are still awaiting a response.

Like stated above, we also had numerous meeting to keep the club up to date with proceedings and never strayed from the original concept. Even the head steward who was placed with the awkward task of carrying out the safety officers dirty work on the day was bemused as to why it wasn't allowed, It seems its not just the fans who aren't in favour of this new safety officer and his methods of work.

Again, we tried twice last week to no avail, in an attempt to give him a second chance of allowing the pre-agreed display...to which on the first visit we were told he was busy, and on the second attempt told he was busy...soi we waited 40 minutes before he arrived with 2 security guards and had us removed with nothing but "no it's not coming in, get out of my stadium"...not a hand shake, no manners, no respect. The Receptionists who had been very polite and understanding of us on every visit were looking on in disbelief at the way we were treat.

I'm saying it how it is, and not painting it out as anything else...we are getting sh4t on for trying to support the club and it's just not on, something has to be done!

oooooo Posted on 24/10/2011 14:18
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youngson, that was 7 and a half years ago. I'm more interested in the views of people who've been in the last decade. [:D][^]

lockey Posted on 24/10/2011 14:21
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Sorry when i said Knocked back i should of made it clear that they have been allowed in the ground just not were we would of liked them. any banner without a fire Cert can be put in the south stand.

All banners that we bring in with the right certificates have been checked and allowed in without any fuss.

As the lad posted earlier getting fire retarded material is quite expensive so sometimes its easier to just get your point across on a banner without and certs and stick it in the south.

Zemmamas_Visa Posted on 24/10/2011 14:26
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This all coming from a head steward who only comes to the North East on a match day, making it almost impossible to get meetings with him. Those lads that went down early doors were treated appallingly. Then you have the gazette trying to drum up support for the club and so forth, yet those who actively support the club are treated in a manner ill befitting a badger

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 14:37
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Head steward, who we once didn't get on with to say the least has now come round to us...consistently very understanding and respectful to us [^]

It's taken a while but people are beginning to wake up to the fact that we are being treated shambolically by the club, and have been for the past 3 seasons.

But this isn't about any particular group, It's about Boro fans on the whole and the way things are going at the Riverside Stadium...any effort to increase atmosphere and express passionate support is being driven out. It's time Boro fans came together and made a stand, for the good of us all and our future generations.

youngson19 Posted on 24/10/2011 14:40
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"It's time Boro fans came together and made a stand, for the good of us all and our future generations."

Good luck with that, just read some of the posts on this thread and then you'll understand.

[^]

Regards
J

Zemmamas_Visa Posted on 24/10/2011 14:41
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blurggh, didn't mean head steward, the head steward at mfc is spot on with all fans. Especially this season he's been a nice guy in the dealings i've had with him personally. I meant Les the new safety officer, he's a [:o)]

Rapid-Viagra Posted on 24/10/2011 14:51
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free_pint Posted on 24/10/2011 15:03
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'May I just ask has Red Faction became political?

I'm just reading your forum and there is a few communist slogans and pictures of Left wing "heroes".

Is Red Faction A-political i.e. members of both leanings can join or are you a Left wing Ultra group? '

Haha that's probably my sig on the board you've read. Red Faction are a-political.

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 15:06
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Exactly mate, we haven't had that unity for years...we need to drop all the bull5hit a make a real go it!

Its plain to see that the support is becoming better, without concentrating on different groups I just want to highlight the grand job 12M do at away matches, a constant source of vocal support, the sleeping giant that is the North Stand, the different pockets of support around the Riverside...Its evident we are taking steps in the right direction to becoming a very atmospheric ground.

All we have to do is come together, support one another in what we are trying to achieve we could really get somewhere. Bouncing chants back and forth around the ground, and generally sticking up for fellow fans, challenging the safety regulations that seem to have been plucked out of nowhere to suppress fan action, guidelines that don't seem to apply to many other clubs, we can change things if we unite, fan power needs to return, It can be done.

Honestly, from the heart RF are just trying to support the Boro...I respect and understand that the style may not be everyones cup of tea but I fully believe that any group should be encouraged and supported if they are trying to represent their town passionately and proudly. If we had more backing from the fan base, and were embraced by the club we could really help achieve something special at the Boro in terms of fan support in this country.


FFSBoro Posted on 24/10/2011 15:06
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LoinerSmoggies...

I agree rf just seem to want to upset the club anyway they can.Why don't you lot just support the team by singing instead of making a big fuss over all these stupid flags and banners ? Maybe you feel threatened by the Jorvikreds down at York !!!
[:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 15:34
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Lockey, trust me mate something has to be done. If Twe12th Man get a huge fireproof banner knocked up, agreed to fully by the club, and then knocked back last minute...we would back you straight away, as would hopefully any other Boro fan. Let's get back to basics here, this banner was to be displayed on behalf of every Boro fan, yourself and 12M included.

The Facts are:

- Safety Officer and Head of Supporters services fully agree to the proposed display, even welcome it as long as it has fire certificate.

- We keep in regular contact with the club, get the banner produced very exopensively, and organize the card display.

- Display gets knocked back without reason 2 hours before kick-off

- We get thrown out of the stadium rudely after trying to speak with the new S.O a week later after several attempts.

- Still awaiting any form of response

We now have a £300 display as well as other projects in production that are seemingly useless.

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 18:12
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[B)]

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 24/10/2011 19:10
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If you are trying to cooperate with the club then what about the 2 unreadable banners that you got out on Saturday. Was this agreed?

Maybe the club don't trust you?

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 24/10/2011 19:13
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"Was this agreed?"

Yep.

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 24/10/2011 19:21
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Really. Ok then. What did they say.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 24/10/2011 19:24
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Free_pint, in reference to your post about me been 'bitchy' I'm sorry if I've come across like that but my point still does stand. I'm sure one of your lads posted about them putting the flag upside down and how you admire the way they support the team. Not too recently aswell.

Then you start hanging your flags upside down, I just thought that you done it because of them...

However, you'se do have a positive effect on the atmosphere and it's good to have 2 sections of support singing ( not as good as one big section would be but nevermind ). It's funny how you hate sky so much but when we spent £80m plus of Sky TV money, reached the Uefa and carling cup finals because of this money and won one in the process noone complained then?

Then, we start struggling, get relegeated and all of a sudden there's a big movement of, " We hate Sky, PL and everything else that could be to blame for us not been successful no more. "

Keep it up on a matchday though, it's just some of your actions and beliefs away from the matchday I don't agree with. We all have different opinions on political matters and how things should be run.

free_pint Posted on 24/10/2011 19:37
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Nothing to do with GB. There's is a very different reason. Which if you read into you'd find out pretty quickly. To say we did it because they did shows your real lack of knowledge on anything we do and really just jumping to assumptions.

Aye I loved the fact of where we were and how we rode the rollercoaster never gonna deny that nor will anyone, but the whole money is the competition of the PL definately bugs me. So much debt in football these days it's sick.

Football didn't start in 92 sunshine, lot's were against it whilst we were involved.

To be fair with you saying your not meaning to come across bitchy your post still seems as though you are.

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 24/10/2011 19:52
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free pint - your mate is ignoring me.

What did the two banners on Saturday say?

ThePrisoner Posted on 24/10/2011 19:56
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Why not try to get the Gazette interested? Surely it's a better story than some bloke falling asleep and his chip pan catcvhing fire? Or do you think Boro will lean on the Gazette?

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 24/10/2011 20:23
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Why is it that normally the rf swarm on here backing each other yet when information is needed they are in bed?

r00fie Posted on 24/10/2011 20:24
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Brilliant Video - though Im sure its a collation of a Boro TV production from some years back. What makes it is the Surrealist art from the 20s and 30s and the Industrial art from the era of Imperialist propaganda in the 30s and 40s. Images akin to Mao refer back to the Long March - together to victory. Moving images .....[^]

crouchy Posted on 24/10/2011 20:45
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haha G and T we do have lives to lead, jobs, uni etc. Glad to see that there has been a positive reaction on a whole even those who aren't fans of RF or their beliefs should atleast be concerned that a group that has forked out £300 on a display which I'm sure would have looked spot on was dashed by the powers that be, moving the goalposts leaving fans despondent and out of pocket.


Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 24/10/2011 20:54
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So what did the agreed banners say?.

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 21:02
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gnt, I'd be happy to meet up with you and any of your lads to discuss this situation and how we can move forward together? Not gonna post on here as we will have to use the banner at some point, and would rather the concept be kept a little 'secret' until its executed one day.

Not that it really matters what it says, the Club fully agreed to the design and saw no problem with it whatsoever all the way up until matchday when it was refused?

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 24/10/2011 21:08
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My lads? WTF. I only asked what the agreed banners said that were put up in your end on sat day. I sit in the east when I go but couldn't read them.

I have friends who were in the rf from the start but they left because of problems with certain people. They were screwed over and that why I don't have any respect for your group because of what happened to make the lads 'resign'. I am loyal to my friends.

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 21:13
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yeah the lads [^]

I'm also loyal to said people? They are mates of mine too so don't know what your going on about, move on eh...this isn't about you, your mates, my mates...it's about the club XXXXXXting on fans who are trying to support their team.

We must make a stand against this suppression of fan support, even if just for the sake of our future generations of Boro fans. You can't even take a fireproof flag ino the ground anymore FFS!

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 24/10/2011 21:17
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I don't believe what your telling people that's all. So what did the banners say then.

EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 21:23
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I don't need you too mate, we've been busy keeping records of all communications with the club, as we have learnt the hard way before. The banner was completely legal, and agreed to prior to us spending all of the effort, money and time producing it...and had fire certification. It's not only that but the way we are dealt with on a weekly basis with such disregard, we're constantly battling just to support the Boro.

Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant, the facts are what matter here. Just trying to raise awareness on how loyal and passionate supporters of this football club are being treat.

I think the banners you are referring to are the Aris flag and an anti EPPP flag?

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 24/10/2011 21:26
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Thank you. That's all I wanted to know.

Off to work now will revisit later.

lockey Posted on 24/10/2011 21:46
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Surely all isnt lost, we have a big game Saturday forward the certificate to Southampton's safety officer and get the banners out there.

just read earlier posts.

Emnes. Its not a case of backing anyone up, How could I (or we) back something we know nothing about other than whats been said on here.

crouchy Posted on 24/10/2011 23:01
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The information has been posted up to educate the wider support about the way we have been treat by employees of the club, surely a colourful, noisy and vibrant riverside would be a much more appealing place to watch football then one where everyone sat down shut up and bowed down to Health and Safety, people constantly whinge that the atmosphere is nothing in comparison with the old days at ayresome but to get scenes anywhere near to those days back we need to make a united stand against the oppressive rules and guidelines put in our way. See emnes' posts further up for all what has happened every word is true there is no wool trying to be pulled over peoples eyes.

UP THE BORO!


EmnesDread Posted on 24/10/2011 23:04
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Because the concept was relative to the Millwall fixture which has been and gone as we like to do one off 'Tifo' as appose to generic banners that can always be used, we have a different display for Souhampton.

Why wouldn't you, Is it not enough that we can't even have fireproofed banners in the ground anymore? Or are you saying you don't trust what I'm saying?

lockey Posted on 25/10/2011 10:14
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"Why wouldn't you, Is it not enough that we can't even have fireproofed banners in the ground anymore? Or are you saying you don't trust what I'm saying? "

But that's not the case really is it? there are banner which are fireproofed dotted all over the ground, so they are allowed in. Until you have heard back from the club as to why the banners were turned away you can't really say much else on the matter.

fatharrywhite Posted on 25/10/2011 10:20
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Why are you avoiding the question of what the banner said??

For all we know it could have said 'Millwall fans are a bunch of c***s'.

It's a simple question, the fact that it cant be used again means it was directed at either Millwall fans or cockneys

PinkPonce Posted on 25/10/2011 10:29
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RedFaction:

If the banners were only applicable to the Millwall fixture, then there's no real issue of fans taking the mick out of you if you post up what the banners were saying.

It's pretty simple. If you want people to support you in this, then you have to tell them what the banner said.

It could have said 'Fack off You Fecking Cants' for all we know, and you're trying to say the club is wrong in what they've done.

The club allows fire proofed banners into the stadium. If they have not allowed one of your banners in, then clearly there's a reason for this and it's not just because you're from the red faction.

Post what the banner says, or just let this thread disappear because it's worthless without this information.

If the banner simply said something that was totally non offensive, and was pro MFC then I can see exactly why you're aggrieved, and you'll get more people backing you with this.

So, what did the banner say?

PP ... x

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 25/10/2011 11:19
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Ponce, the club AGREED to what was on the banner on the wed before the match,the wording to what was on the banner did not change the only thing that changed was 'les' the so called new safety officer said it wasnt coming in,this guy works here on a matchday only he lives in london and is crystal palace health and safety, So whats happening is we go to club midweek show them banners/displays we have planned Anthony Emmerson says yes they are fine and within guide lines then on matchday 'les' says NO. HE GIVES NO REASON WHY and all Anthony Emerson says is sorry lads hes above me. Now correct me if im wrong but people spend hard earned money and time doing displays/banners to be getting jerked off on a matchday with no reason why.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 25/10/2011 11:21
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Also pm me on rf board will be happy to show you a pic of said banner.

oooooo Posted on 25/10/2011 11:30
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"If the banners were only applicable to the Millwall fixture, then there's no real issue of fans taking the mick out of you if you post up what the banners were saying."

What did the banner say?

This is the elephant in the room and it's hard to get backing from other fans if you aren't going to be honest.

Rapid-Viagra Posted on 25/10/2011 11:32
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PM BIIMB on Red Faction Board


Link: RF Site

shaunb86 Posted on 25/10/2011 11:35
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like boro is in my blood has said....said him a message on the RF board and he will send you a picture of the banner!

oooooo Posted on 25/10/2011 11:35
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How is the text that was on a banner that they were going to publicly display and is at the heart of (yet another) RF storm in a teacup none of my business?

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 25/10/2011 11:40
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Oooooo seriously dont know what your getting at,the wording was accepted by the club and Anthony Emerson so it was not an issue.

lockey Posted on 25/10/2011 11:43
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So the actual Safety officer did not actually agree to it coming in?

the_dude_strikes_back Posted on 25/10/2011 11:43
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[V]i couldnt register

i entered my e-mail, name, dob and then the capcha said 'fall guy' so i quite rightly entered justin hoyte and it wouldnt work

poor start to red faction imho

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 25/10/2011 11:53
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"this guy works here on a matchday only he lives in london and is crystal palace health and safety"

Why is this relevant?

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 25/10/2011 11:53
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Lockey im led to believe all oyr comms with the club are to be liased through Anthony Emmerson.

oooooo Posted on 25/10/2011 12:00
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"Oooooo seriously dont know what your getting at,the wording was accepted by the club and Anthony Emerson so it was not an issue."

So what was the wording then? Seriously, it sounds to me like they've had second thoughts and them trying to get rid of you so rudely smacks of embarrassment. I guarantee that it was what was on the banner that caused them to make a u-turn.

If the wording was a bit inflammatory, I'm not going to condemn you - the club should have been consistent. But without that, the only conclusion you can come to it "the club are mean and don't like you for no reason" and that just sounds implausible.

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence"

boro_tyke Posted on 25/10/2011 12:01
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Gin_and_tonic:

"I have friends who were in the rf from the start but they left because of problems with certain people. They were screwed over and that why I don't have any respect for your group because of what happened to make the lads 'resign'. I am loyal to my friends."

I’m not party to what you’ve heard about people being ‘screwed over’ G&T, but as one who is – and was – directly involved, I’d be more than interested to hear what you perceive to be the facts. I’m inclined to believe that its more than likely more of the same rubbish about RF and its people peddled by other bitter and twisted individuals who themselves are prejudiced and mis-informed.

Perhaps if you would care to set your side of your position clear, I could give you the other side of the story so you can at least make an informed and unbiased opinion on Red Faction.

The forum is yours, go ahead...

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 25/10/2011 12:02
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Why is this relevant?

Well for the fact already stated that we have to get everything approved which is hard if he is in london,we are told to deal with Anthony Emmerson during the week hence this problem arises on a matchday when les is here,how can we get things sorted if hes not here to deal with.


Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 25/10/2011 12:11
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Ok, I see. Thanks for answering that.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 25/10/2011 12:14
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Glad you understand, can we expect your backing now? [^]

PinkPonce Posted on 25/10/2011 12:44
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Why cat you just post what the banner said here instead of through a private message?

Seriously, just post the picture of the banner or at least the wording on this thread.

Then you'll get people's backing [^]

PP ... x

oooooo Posted on 25/10/2011 12:54
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Poncey, the way I see it, it's hard to believe someone is being 100% forthcoming with the details when they are so reticent to simply tell you what is on the banner. Basically, there's what I call a 'smell' about this story.

boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 25/10/2011 13:01
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I know its a shcit comparison but on xmas day is it as much fun opening your presents to see them for the 1st time if you already knew what they were? [8)]

PinkPonce Posted on 25/10/2011 13:04
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I understand oooooo - That's why I want them just to tell us what the banner says ...

At the end of the day, I've got nothing but praise for the RF - They've done wonders for the atmosphere and long may it continue ...

However, I can't give my personal support or backing to something without knowing the full story ...

Unfortuante as it is, what happened, it's apparant that it's the clubs stance ...

It seems that there's no reason to deal with Anthony Emmerson in the future if his blessing holds as much weight as Roary the Lions ...

If you post the banner up here, and people can see for real that you've been hard done by, you WILL get support and people may even email the club on your behalf.

If you don't post it, people will simply assume that you're hiding something and not telling the full story.

If he's banned it because it would cause potential embarassment to the club, or because it was potentially offensive then that's the issue.

Let people judge it. Post the phucking thing up.

PP ... x

boro_tyke Posted on 25/10/2011 13:32
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I can assure everyone on here there’s absolutely no contoversy about what was on the banner in question – it certainly wasn’t offensive or controversial in any way.

If any of you understood the way in which Ultra groups operate you would understand and respect the groups desire to keep it under wraps in case any other groups’ become aware of it, use it themselves (if applicable) or publish its content – which from RF’s point of view (as they are the ones who have gone to the trouble and expense of creating the display) – would seriously undermine and diminish its impact. This has happened before. Barrow’s group have used the Twe12th Man logo freely before today even though it is under copyright.

There‘s nothing at all underhand about the banners content. The club were aware of its precise content and approved it only to renage on that agreement on the day of the game itself. Blessing or otherwise, for the sake of a negligable amount of people’s approval on these pages, the group have every right to with-hold its content in the interest of future use.

Is that so hard to understand?

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 25/10/2011 13:37
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Boro is in my blood, you are barking up the wrong tree mate.

My backing has always been there . Look up ^^^^

"Like I said i'm neither here nor there about RF v MFC.

That being said; the club have made several hoops for RF to jump through to ensure the safety of other fans.

If RF have adhered to those rules (despite them being onerous) and the club have still refused then that is a disgrace.

I'm not usually a splitty that moans about the club to be honest but is it only me that seems to think elements of our club are run in an amateurish fashion?"

fatharrywhite Posted on 25/10/2011 13:40
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"I can assure everyone on here there’s absolutely no contoversy about what was on the banner in question – it certainly wasn’t offensive or controversial in any way."

Then why dont you say what it says?? Seriously, as others have said you'd get a bit more backing if you actually described it.

It smacks of having something to hide..

Edwin Posted on 25/10/2011 13:41
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'Barrows group'? Good grief, if they nicked an idea the impact at the Riverside would be massively reduced wouldn't it?

As PP says, state what it said then people can decide to support you or not.

'Sign this petition'. Whats it for? 'Not telling you'. Err, no then.

PinkPonce Posted on 25/10/2011 13:41
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So because of what you've just posted, Boro Tyke, and the fact that it was earlier mentioned it was something applicable to the Millwall game it now has the potential of not being shown until either next season OR a number of seasons if one of us leaves the division by either means this season ... ?

I'm Out.

PP ... x

boro_tyke Posted on 25/10/2011 13:45
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fatharrywhite – Can you read?

pink ponce – Absolutely the case yes.

In or out pp, I don’t think RF will lose any sleep over what people on these pages think. That’s life... x

fatharrywhite Posted on 25/10/2011 13:51
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Yes i can thanks.

Can you though as you still havent said what it said.

We know that the club originally agreed to it as you continually say. I, and others, just want to know what was written on it and am wondering why you are continually ignoring requests to say it.

As i said, it smacks of having something to hide.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 25/10/2011 13:56
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See above;

"If any of you understood the way in which Ultra groups operate you would understand and respect the groups desire to keep it under wraps in case any other groups’ become aware of it, use it themselves (if applicable) or publish its content – which from RF’s point of view (as they are the ones who have gone to the trouble and expense of creating the display) – would seriously undermine and diminish its impact. This has happened before."

Edwin Posted on 25/10/2011 14:01
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Boro Tyke - I would suggest RF are on here trying to garner support/sympathy for their cause or grievances which, in turn, indicates you do very much care what people think on this board.

boro_tyke Posted on 25/10/2011 14:11
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Edwin:

Far from it Edwin. Though it wasn’t me who posted the original thread, I would imagine it was done to highlight to others just how the club does treat some of its fans at times. Clearly this isn’t representative across the board as some don’t have an objective view as RF sometimes do – and have every right to have as paying customers.

However, I can assure you, RF will continue to do what it does (and has done well for the past three years) with or without the blessing of a negative few on here.

I know I personally sleep easily at night.

lockey Posted on 25/10/2011 14:16
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I can understand your reasons for not wanting to show the banner or not write what it says on it, but earlier in the thread you were prepared to let someone who PM'd you know what was on the banner, surely you would of realised that it would then be spread in this thread.

The way i see it is you have gone to the club with the banner and Anthony Emmerson has acknowledged that he thought the banner would be ok to be used on game day.
(this is were the club / Anthony, have got it wrong. Because he doesn't have a say in the matter)
You have taken it to the ground and the Safety officer has some sort of problem with the banner or its Certificate, and not allowed entry.

Is that what has happened ?

MarlonD Posted on 25/10/2011 14:16
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boro_tyke, do you sit in the SE corner ?

free_pint Posted on 25/10/2011 14:21
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I understand where people are coming from with regards to wanting to see it but like has been said it was specific to the game and if say some other club saw it and mocked it, well it's ruined then. As people have said, just nip onto the board and have it PM'ed to you. Most of you are on there anyway.

As I know quite a lot of poster's quite well, trust me when I say it was definately a positive message and nothing offensive to either club!

free_pint Posted on 25/10/2011 14:22
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'You have taken it to the ground and the Safety officer has some sort of problem with the banner or its Certificate, and not allowed entry.'

That's the issue, we don't know what his problem with it was and he refuses to tell anyone...He's a strange little man.

lockey Posted on 25/10/2011 14:26
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So if he had a valid reason all this slating of the club will of been for no reason.

Zemmamas_Visa Posted on 25/10/2011 14:29
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There is no valid reason though lockey, the banner was fireproofed (with certificate), there was nothing offensive on said banner, and the sizings were correct to what the club told us.

tomtom3 Posted on 25/10/2011 14:29
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boro_tyke. Here you are again all guns blazing against the club yawn yawn. Ultras you make me laugh.

If you dont want people to know what is on the banner then do one, no wonder the club has problems dealing with you

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 25/10/2011 14:35
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Again, I’m not @rsed either way on this issue but if what you are saying is true then its sounds disgraceful on the clubs part.

The other point to bear in mind is that some remarks on flags/banners anger people significantly, even if they are not inherently distasteful.

For example the Palace fans were up in arms about a banner that said something like ‘London’s Burning, Boro on Fire’ They were of the opinion that the “horrible boro fans” had acted insensitively about the recent riots.

I have to say that I thought their comments were bullshyte and they were making a big deal over nothing but you take the point that something small can be perceived as something more than it is.

Objectively; perhaps the safety officer; given that he apparently works for Palace and would know the Milwall fans a hell of a lot more, may find that the banner was in some way distasteful or similar.

This is of course all speculation because we don’t know what the banner says - and I hasten to add I’m not really bothered either.

Either way I hope that the support remains as colourful and as loud as it is going as well as hoping it will spread to other areas of the ground.

boro_tyke Posted on 25/10/2011 14:54
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Marlon D: Why is where I choose to sit relevant to this thread?

tomtom: here’s you’re stereotypical jaundiced opinion of RF and its activity. If Boro fans are happy sitting in a half-empty stadium which has become a poor excuse for a family-friendly fun pub – and happy to let the club sell you short in wanting that – then keep it up my friend.

If all we’re guilty of, is trying to achieve every possible advantage for the team and respect from fellow fans for us – the fans who they represent – then I make no apologies for standing against the club on some issues. That’s every fans’ right. If most choose not to exercise that right, then that’s their perogative. But please don’t pre-judge others who do wish to...

PinkPonce Posted on 25/10/2011 15:05
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I'm losing patience something phucking trivial lime this.

If the club didn't let it in this year, they'll not let it in next year.

Post the phucking banner FFS and stop thinking it's going to ruin it for next time when it's not gonna happen.

Also, no other 'Ultras' will take the XXXXXX out of it anymore now than they would if they'd seen it last week.

Either post it up, or you're hiding the real reason it was banned.

Simple as that.

PP ... x

MarlonD Posted on 25/10/2011 15:05
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You're in the Red Faction aren't you so I assume you sit in the SE corner ??

Am I wrong or right ?

Rapid-Viagra Posted on 25/10/2011 15:09
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We still have millwall away [xx(]

Dibzzz Posted on 25/10/2011 15:13
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Great Vid [^]


tomtom3 Posted on 25/10/2011 15:13
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boro_tyke. I actually agree with some of what you say, back the team, try somehow to put bums on seats, not all the clubs decisions are deemed to be right, so i applaud all effort.

My only negative opinion of the RF is how its so called chosen few just love to create trouble and friction with the club, this notion of you being ultras is pathetic. The fans on the day as i have said many times before are a credit to themselves but let down by this constant arguing with the club. 12th man and other fans who hang flags and sing at the match do not have the issues you have.
stereotypical jaundiced opinion of RF, ha ha i like that it translates to an opinion you do not agree with, well spit your dummy out with someone else who does not agree with you.

Edwin Posted on 25/10/2011 15:15
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This is all boll*cks. 'Respect from fellow fans'? I thought you weren't bothered what others thought?

'The fans we represent'. Thats not true either is it?

Not trying to be funny, but make your mind up what you want.

EmnesDread Posted on 25/10/2011 15:50
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This is the very problem, we need to unite against things like this and fight for one another as fellow Boro fans...we've stated the facts as clear as daylight!

The Club (AE and Les) agree that we can produce the banner, we make it and then its not allowed in? The Derby match also?

Cheers for the support and understanding, and for those who refuse to accept how fellow fans are being treated so poorly, keep your heads in the sand. The display would have been shown proudly on behalf of you all, we're disgusted not only with the display debacle, but also with the way we were dealt with, total such disregard and disrespect!

What good is showing the banner, Its perfectly above board, hence why it was fully agreed to by the club in advance...we'll keep it under wraps until millwall away [^]


boro_tyke Posted on 25/10/2011 16:01
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Edwin: "The fans we represent"

Have another read FFS.

I think you’ll find I’m referring to the team (and the clubfor that matter) Who represent US – every one of us. The respect from fellow fans = FANS FROM OTHER CLUBS AS CLEARLY OUR OWN DON’T!!

fatharrywhite Posted on 25/10/2011 16:10
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"d for those who refuse to accept how fellow fans are being treated so poorly, keep your heads in the sand."

if you did the simple thing of saying what the banner said then you might get a bit more support.

as it is, the constant refusal and bullXXXXXX reasons why you wont will make the average fan pretty suspicious that the full facts havent been disclosed

boro_tyke Posted on 25/10/2011 16:24
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fatharrywhite

Listen, I personally don’t give a t*ss wether or not RF get any support form people on FMTTM. The banner in question has been described and it has been made perfectly clear to all on this thread that it contained nothing controversial, discriminatory or offensive. The reasons for not disclosing it have also been made perfectly clear. If no one is comfortable with that and prefers to read something completely different into those reassurances then do so. Its nothing more or less that RF have had to endure from posters supposedly ‘in the know’ about RF and its people on here from the dawn of time.

The fact is, whether anyone on here supports the group or not, the group, the people involved, the culture will continue – with or without FMTTM’s somewhat questionable endorsement. It makes not one jot of difference in the long-term. Equally, if you think the club are acting fairly and within reason then that’s fine.

No one within RF is holding a gun to your head for having a differing opinion, or for not supporting the groups beliefs.

Deal with what you know and leave what you don’t know to those that do.

Edwin Posted on 25/10/2011 17:07
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Apologies BT for my incorrect reading of an earlier post.

You, and others, do however make Red Faction sound like some sort of silly little club, where you have an over inflated opinion of what you actually stand for & achieve.

Comments such as 'leave what you don't know to those who do' suggest you are some sort of uber fans who know better than the rest. Or of course, an Ultra maybe?

I find it all rather alienating. Oh, & childish.

free_pint Posted on 25/10/2011 17:23
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Edwin- Appologies if anyone feels alienated and under-valued. It's certainly not an intention. We all support the same club and we all push for the same thing. Appologies.

Edwin Posted on 25/10/2011 17:34
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Don't need to apologise to me.

I have certain sympathies for you & what you are trying to do. I just think in certain cases you could give yourselves a rather big PR boost but shoot yourselves in the foot instead.

If someone had explained what the banner said, & it was ok, then this thread would have been 95% positive from about post 40.

boro_tyke Posted on 25/10/2011 17:41
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Über fans, Self-interest PR, Ultras...


FFS, Zzzzzzzzz.

Edwin Posted on 25/10/2011 17:48
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You referred to yourselves as 'Ultras' BT. So why the FFS?

MFC_Riverside Posted on 25/10/2011 17:54
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RF, if you're prepared to PM it on the RF site to a random somebody ( for that random somebody to post it on here, which you know will happen ) then why can't you just make a short cut and post it directly on here?

If there was honestly nothing wrong with it then I'm sure 99% of fans will be behind you and a few may get in touch with the club to support you.

However, you are alienating this 99% of support by not giving them the full facts.

You're stopping people from getting behind you and leaving them with an idea that you may be lieing, being dishonest and going against the club for the sake of it.

If you want most people to pull in the same direction and 'support fellow fans' as you put it, then tell your fellow fans what you planned to display against Millwall.

RedcarTS10 Posted on 25/10/2011 18:09
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Can someone tell me why RF would come onto the main Boro fans forum and lie to them about how the display has been knocked back?

What would that achieve?

The banner in question will be displayed eventually and when yous see it you will know that RF have been wronged.

Until then I suppose you`ll just have to call your own fans a bunch of liars.

tomtom3 Posted on 25/10/2011 18:29
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This is now becoming boring. are you really this blind to all this. you want sympathy to your cause yet wont say what the banner says and now say you are being called liars. No wonder the club argue with you. Will be interesting to see you at Millwall with the banner. Will you be there boro_tyke.

LoinerSmoggies Posted on 25/10/2011 18:34
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I agree tomtom3 this is getting boring.I personally don't think rf will be at Millwall with their "secret banner" because they are just a bunch of rara's who are all under the age of 20 and will be to scared to go to Millwall.

benga69 Posted on 25/10/2011 19:08
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Pauluka Posted on 25/10/2011 19:13
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Thanks for the PM RF [^]

The banner said "I hope you Millwall cooonts die in a crash on the way home"

Can we just get behind the lads now

borotosh Posted on 25/10/2011 19:14
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[V]This really is tedious, think I'm going off the RF

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 25/10/2011 19:24
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@ LoinerSmoggies I wish I was under 20. Scared of Millwall [:D][^]

Zemmamas_Visa Posted on 25/10/2011 19:28
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Feckin hell Pauluka, give the game away or what[;)]

Gin-N-Tonic Posted on 25/10/2011 22:00
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This as funny as feck.

BT - you have just made it clear to everyone just what a tool you really are without me having to even mention past events.

You are letting the rf down by leading them into an unwinnable war. While at the same time showing all on here who may have been supportive of the group in the past just what an ass you are.

crouchy Posted on 25/10/2011 22:07
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@ LoinerSmoggies - I can't go to milwall cos im camping with the rest of my cub scout bretherin dib dob [^].

Funny how everyone thinks the club is whiter than white and we would try and con you all into thinking it was a banner with anti-millwall etc. on the banner, why would we even bother posting it up here if it was a con we would come out of it looking red-faced.

Before anyone says I or RF are anti-MFC it couldn't be further from the truth we are pro-MFC just like any other fan but it is disheartening and annoying that we cant support the club we love in the way we want whether we play by the rules or not.


r00fie Posted on 25/10/2011 22:38
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Red Faction gets bombarded because it stands up and says "fukk the establishment". Fair enough. It also has the potential to say "Sieg heil" and become a fascist pond. At the moment it has creativety, though one of its founders has a record of sorts........and he knows what Im talking about.


Its emergence is to be given credit......with caution.

Up The Bor!

MFC_Riverside Posted on 25/10/2011 22:48
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Crouchy, I might fully well support you but if your banner said something you don't deem to be offensive but someone else might and you don't tell potential supporters of the RF what it said how do you expect people to back you up?

Come and back me up in court, I'm not telling you what I'm suspected of but I'm innocent.

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r00fie Posted on 25/10/2011 22:52
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Im still not sure of their motives......but for now....mmmm

pierreuk Posted on 25/10/2011 22:56
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RedcarTS10 I don't think its a case of coming on here and telling a lie - I think its coming on here telling a twisted (in favour of RF) truth.

If RF aren't prepared to show the banner let it drop instead of giving them the attention they don't deserve [V]

crouchy Posted on 25/10/2011 23:23
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No twisting involved Pierre we cant post up the picture or explain the content for reasons we have explained umpteen times but people see at as a conspiracy, you will all have to wait and see whether people take our word or not is entirely down to the individual

free_pint Posted on 25/10/2011 23:24
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It's definately nout offensive and if anyone was offended by it I'd be offended that they were offended and to be honest scour around enough and you'll see what it was. We've also give everyone an instruction on how to find out what it is...

To be honest I have no issue with showing it, but if others don't then I stand by that decision. After all a lot of money was spent on this for it to then be ruined would be a shame.

pierreuk Posted on 25/10/2011 23:25
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I didn't mean the ending of that post to sound so spiteful towards RF, more towards the people pestering to see the banner - as you said, its been stated 'umpteen times' why it isn't being posted so just let it drop...

MFC_Riverside Posted on 25/10/2011 23:29
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Fair enough lads. We'll have to agree to disagree as I can't support something without seeing its content.

Crouchy, I've explained to you several times my answers to your points and you still refuse to answer them.

Keep making an atmosphere in the stadium, that's a very good thing about you'se. However it's this side of the RF that I sometimes can't agree with.

[^]



MarlonD Posted on 26/10/2011 08:31
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"Marlon D: Why is where I choose to sit relevant to this thread?"

Because you're a figurehead of the RF, so I'm assuming you must sit in the SE corner, am I correct or not ?


boro-is-in-my-blood Posted on 26/10/2011 09:18
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Marlond its not relevant at all, bt helped build along with other people the rf group,however personal issues dictate to him that he cant give every game as much time as he would like,where you sit or how many games you can afford to attend has no bearing on been part of the group or not,neither does it have any relevance to the banner been rejected.

MarlonD Posted on 26/10/2011 09:35
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You're like politicians you lot, still haven't had the question answered.


boro_tyke Posted on 26/10/2011 09:48
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MarlonD: Completely incorrect.

boro_tyke Posted on 26/10/2011 09:51
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tomtom3

Be more than happy to meet you anywhere matey. I’ll even give you my mobile number and we can arrange something.

Perhaps then you can get your point across to me personally and perhaps make a more informed judgement on your perceptions of a group you know little about or the people and motivation behind it?

MarlonD Posted on 26/10/2011 09:58
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Thought so.

Like General Hague sat back in HQ whilst sending young 'uns to the trenches.

tomtom3 Posted on 26/10/2011 10:09
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boro_tyke. Would love to, tell which pub you are going too before the southampton game and i will meet you. And yes give me your number if you wish i would gladly give you my point

boro_tyke Posted on 26/10/2011 10:16
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tomtom:

Leave a thread on RF’s forum – I’m sure you’re already registered – and we’ll sort something out. I can PM you from there with details. If you have a better way of communicating without leaving personal information on open forum pages feel free to let me know here.

tomtom3 Posted on 26/10/2011 10:21
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Im affraid you are wrong i do not go on the RF forum. As i said i will meet you at Southampton or tell me the next away game you will be at and we will meet then.

boro_tyke Posted on 26/10/2011 10:25
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"Like General Hague sat back in HQ whilst sending young 'uns to the trenches."


MarlonD: Can you actually bother to find out about people on a personal level before you use any old stick to beat them with. Whatever RF – or its people – say or do, its clear opinions will never be made on an informed basis.

I know ‘diddly-squat’ about you my friend, and so would never be so ignorant as to make assumptions or mis-informed judgements about you to others. Not least on a public forum.

boro_tyke Posted on 26/10/2011 10:29
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Why not register – it takes a minute, if that and won’t cost you anything? You might even learn something about some of the people you‘re blindly and openly criticising.

Happy to meet before the weekend. Why do we have to wait for an away game?

tomtom3 Posted on 26/10/2011 10:41
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Oh i though you being a super fan an away game would be good. ok no probs i will sort something.

tomtom3 Posted on 26/10/2011 10:51
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Can you check if you just got a txt

captain5 Posted on 26/10/2011 11:00
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Is there a thread about this on the RF forum?

free_pint Posted on 26/10/2011 11:19
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Captain- I don't think there is, we all know what's happened so it's kept away from the board really. Give someone on there a PM though if you want to know the full thing. We will be much obliged.

boro_tyke Posted on 26/10/2011 11:22
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tomtom3: Received and responded to.

ccole Posted on 26/10/2011 11:24
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PM sent !

free_pint Posted on 26/10/2011 11:25
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Who've you sent it to, BIIMB?

oooooo Posted on 26/10/2011 11:27
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Jesus, if they're like this with fellow fns, what on Earth must they be like when dealing with MFC?

free_pint Posted on 26/10/2011 11:30
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Quite polite actually, they've seen the banner [8)]

ccole Posted on 26/10/2011 11:34
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Yes. Is that the right person?

No reply as yet[sad]

free_pint Posted on 26/10/2011 11:36
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Yeah that's the right one, he might be at work at the minute. So just hang tight! [smi]

tomtom3 Posted on 26/10/2011 11:37
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Yes got it.

captain5 Posted on 26/10/2011 11:41
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I've joined the forum, PM me and I'll tell ooooooooooooooooooooooo everything is above board.

Johnny_Thunder Posted on 26/10/2011 11:41
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So are you having a fight?

free_pint Posted on 26/10/2011 11:47
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Replied and Captain5 did you (or do you still) go on MN4's busses and used to go with Esky etc... 'cos if memory serves me correctly I think I remember you!

oooooo Posted on 26/10/2011 11:52
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Thanks for the info captain, did you not think the swastika was a bit much?

free_pint Posted on 26/10/2011 11:53
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Well we couldn't just have we love nazis with no swastika.

MarlonD Posted on 26/10/2011 11:54
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"No-one Likes You, No-one Cares. Bunch of Chunts"


PaulLeGuen Posted on 26/10/2011 12:56
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Well well, even roofie questions boro tykes past. It seems that the general of rf can fool his foot soldiers but the more experienced people who he deals with can see right through him. It will be interesting to see if he turns to meet the poster from earlier. My guess is that he won't. He bottled it on the day of the flares at burton.

tomtom3 Posted on 26/10/2011 12:57
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For the record.

I made contact with boro_tyke as he CHALLENGED me to do. We had a discussion and for his own reason he has declined to talk any further ( and i emphisise we were only going to talk). I will always give my opinion om the red faction even though he has told me to refrain from. I can fully see how the club have a bad relationship with RF when people like this represent them. I really wish the RF on the day good luck and they have been a credit to themselves in trying to support our club. Ditch the ultra concept and the idiot leading you

LoinerSmoggies Posted on 26/10/2011 14:21
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"Well well, even roofie questions boro tykes past. It seems that the general of rf can fool his foot soldiers but the more experienced people who he deals with can see right through him. It will be interesting to see if he turns to meet the poster from earlier. My guess is that he won't. He bottled it on the day of the flares at burton."

At last somebody else has seen that the generals of rf just wind the younger element of rf up and in same cases get them to fire the bullets.Can't wait to see the generals at Millwall,Cardiff and Birmingham games.

boro_tyke Posted on 26/10/2011 14:23
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"I made contact with boro_tyke as he CHALLENGED me to do. We had a discussion and for his own reason he has declined to talk any further ( and i emphisise we were only going to talk). I will always give my opinion om the red faction even though he has told me to refrain from. I can fully see how the club have a bad relationship with RF when people like this represent them."




And as if to prove entirely the rubbish often spoken on here about individuals and about RF in particular here’s the other side of events – and the bits tomtom3 has conveniently failed to include (for whatever reason):

A) tomtom3 invites boro_tyke to meet him (with the banner in question as I recall) at Millwall (in February next year). Clearly it is evident I am responding to HIS request. Which I’m not obliged to in any way but happy to do.

B) After exchanging forum messages with the view to making contact, I get a txt from a number I don’t recognise. Its tomtom3 explaining who he is and we politely exchange txts with the view to talking over the phone. During this time tomtom3 tells me (and I quote) “for the record I am not anti Red Faction but anti confruntation”. (reading on, clearly this isn’t strictly true is it tomtom3?)

C) After numerous texts, I politely – and well within reason to do just so – asked tomtom3 who gave him my number (very considerate of you whoever you are, thank-you). He refused to do so three times over text which from there it is absolutely the case that I (quite rightly) declined to take up the option of talking to him at the agreed time. I was happy to do so if he gave me this information but maintained his position.

D) I informed tomtom3 of my intention not to speak to him well in advance of the agreed time, after which came a couple of texts from him in which he kindly (and confrontationally) offered his less-than-considered opinion on me and how RF would be better off without me (how hurtful).

E) Clearly irked, tomtom3 spits his dummy out and continues to talk utter garbage about me (see above) and can’t even be honest with everyone as to WHY the telephone conversation didn’t take place.




That’s all there pretty much is and as it happened. Trivial in the grander scheme of things I realise. It really isn’t important to me what people think of me personally – so long as it is informed and merited. So please decide for yourselves what is important to you and who you want to believe. I promise I won’t lose any sleep over whatever the outcome is, and life (and RF) will go on.

tomtom3 Posted on 26/10/2011 14:40
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I have just tripped over my dummy ha ha ha ha ha. Nice one boro_tyke very well put together.

See you soon.

MarlonD Posted on 26/10/2011 14:42
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So the lad takes you up on your offer and you refused to speak to him based on the fact he had obtained your number and you wanted to know where from ?

But didn't you offer to give him your number anyway ?

He maybe should go to The North Stand at home games and he might catch you uthere or even better Ibrox when Boro are playingh away.

And you want respect from fellow Boro fans [cr]

King_Ricard Posted on 26/10/2011 15:17
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Great thread guys, seriously.

boro_tyke Posted on 26/10/2011 15:31
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tomtom3: [;)]

MarlonD: Is the Ibrox thing meant to upset me in some way? You keep bringing this up.

MarlonD Posted on 26/10/2011 15:36
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Not meant to upset you more merely to point out the irony of being a figurehead of an ultras supporters group but not being in the same stand as them at home games and watching another team when we're away from home.

In the words of Alanis "Isn't it ironic...."

oooooo Posted on 26/10/2011 15:42
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Jesus Christ, boro_tyke, you've even turned a XXXXXXing exchange of texts into a drama. You basically could cause an argument in an empty room.

MarlonD Posted on 26/10/2011 15:43
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No he couldn't.

boro_tyke Posted on 26/10/2011 15:58
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...Yes I could. [;)]

PaulLeGuen Posted on 27/10/2011 08:09
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Great read.

PinkPonce Posted on 27/10/2011 08:59
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This is possibly the most ridiculous thread EVER to appear on this forum ...

I hope you've got a bit of space left in your next book, Rob ...

As I've said already in this thread, the RF lads I've met before, most recently at the Charity Match are a credit ...

However, this thread highlights EXACTLY why the club has a problem with your group, and that's because they're dealing with an arsehole rather than the people who are actively trying to improve the atmosphere at the Riverside in the SE Corner ...

It's akin to texting a bird, arranging a date and then sending Fred West.

Absolutely ridiculous, and not one question answered that has been asked of you on here.

PP ... x

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 27/10/2011 09:01
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What a bunch of doyles [:D]

Muttley Posted on 27/10/2011 09:08
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Indeed, Mr. Dong, indeed.

ovy1 Posted on 27/10/2011 09:09
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For once, I agree with the ponce!

MarlonD Posted on 27/10/2011 09:19
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As has been stated by the majority, the RF do a great job in trying to improve the matchday atmosphere.

they just need to stop certain people thinking thjey are running a Rebel group in Guerilla warfare agaianst the club.

UTB

tomtom3 Posted on 27/10/2011 09:32
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Carefull Marlin and Ponce i had the St Pauls protesters camping at my house last night because i dared to question the RF leader. They put a banner up in the street but i am not going to tell you what it says ha ha. UTB

Supermac Posted on 27/10/2011 09:36
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so.... wtf did the banner say then? or was their no banner //? [:D]

boro_tyke Posted on 27/10/2011 09:57
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...and who are you exactly PP?

Do you know me at all – away from the moronic and prejudiced drivvel you are clearly taken in by on here?

No. I didn’t think so. So who are you to call me an arsehole, and how do you know who the club are dealing with precisely?

[:o)]

Piggy Posted on 27/10/2011 10:01
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I really hope that when Red Faction have meetings with the club, the lad with the drum goes along to provide some musical accompaniment to the discussions.

Edwin Posted on 27/10/2011 10:57
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If you behave with the club like you have on here then I'm suprised they even given you the time of day.

boro_tyke Posted on 27/10/2011 11:44
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..and the problem with explaining the logic behind someone else’s post, being slandered and criticised for doing it, having my personal mobile number shared around without my knowing – or permission – to complete strangers and simply refusing to be intimidated by anyone is what exactly?

Is it any wonder our stadium is half-empty if this is the level of some of the supporters we have FFS!