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onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 13:22
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Hands over eyes and ears, "It was a good transfer window, no one left". Come on,really, you're serious?

I have to say - no matter what happens at this club, this board never stops giving me a chuckle.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 13:26
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You've got to have balanace mappie, and welcome back by the way.

It was positive in the sense that we:

1. Offloaded a lot of big earners that weren't contributing;
2. Kept most of our prized assets.

The big problem we now have is squad depth, particularly up front.

I would have preferred to see Bates leave and two strikers come in but there you go.

Hopefully, the problems can be dealt with by use of the loan market.

wilkos_perm Posted on 02/09/2011 13:28
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If we get a striker or two on loan then the fact is it's been a decent summer overall. We've only lost Lita and Taylor in addition to those we actually wanted shot of, and Haroun and Martin look decent enough signings.

wilkos_perm Posted on 02/09/2011 13:30
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Why would we have wanted Bates to go Adi? It reduces a midfield option (Williams) and leaves us with a shaky looking back 4 if McManus was to get injured. Surely keeping him and getting loans up front is the superior option?

Supermac Posted on 02/09/2011 13:31
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if you dissaprove then its almost certainly been a good transfer window for us

PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 13:32
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All that marching powder hasn't affected your ability to be completely and utterly useless when it comes to anything football related, has it?

1) We got rid of every high earner we needed to before the season started. Without this, we might have had to get rid of someone valuable to us [Go to 2]

2) We kept hold of everybody we wanted to on the deadline day, despite interest from the premiership and ensured we kept the team together that was unbeaten this season, and the majority of which have lost 1 of only 20. Losing McDonald, Emnes, Bennett, Williams, Bates could have caused us serious consequences.

3) We can now see that the downward spiral, both on the pitch and financially, over the last 3 years looks to have come to an end and Mowbray can start rebuilding the squad. By turning down an offer for Bates, despite him being out of contract next summer is as good a sign as any.

4) The loan market opens for us to bring in attacking options. I trust Mowbrays judgement.

Never have I seen someone get it wrong on so many occasions Mappy, but you take the biscuit. I just pray you tell us that we'll not get promoted, because that's as sure a way as any to guarantee that we will, you clueless cretin.

Have a good day.

PP ... x

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 02/09/2011 13:32
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'I would have preferred to see Bates leave and two strikers come in but there you go.'

i would have rather seen to strikers come in and no one leave, as we have a weak squad.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 13:33
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Depends on who you can get in on loan.

Bates is one of our top earners, in the last year of his contract, Williams can drop back in and we're in the same position as we're in now. We have an abundance of midfielders that can offset the loss of Williams into defence.

If that were going to allow us to get in two good strikers then that would have been the way to go.

As I say depends on who we get in on loan.

Supermac Posted on 02/09/2011 13:33
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that is exactly what will happen raz

Midosparmo Posted on 02/09/2011 13:36
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I think Adis right in that the wages saved from Bates would allow us to get in a far better striker then we could hope to get in now.
With bates likely to be away for nothing next season, (unless we are all of a sudden able to pay him daft wages) then selling Bates would have been the best option.


onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 13:37
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"I would have preferred to see Bates leave and two strikers come in but there you go."

I agree with that part 100%, cashing in on Bates was the best business we could have done - can see why ultimately we were stuck with him but there you go.

The point is this, Emnes is not exactly a big strong striker that is going to intimidate sides (in this division particularly) to leave him alone. How long do you think it'll be before a big centre half puts him into row z? It's bound to happen and then the goals will dry up.

It hasn't been since perhaps Juninhos time that we have been so reliant on one player, and Emnes is no Juninho, not bringing in one player that could perhaps fill in with the odd goal is a big mistake.

McDonald btw is not going to happen in this lifetime.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 02/09/2011 13:39
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what if we didnt sell bates and just signed one more decent striker rather than two decent strikers ?

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 13:39
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Pink the reference to marching powder, are you insinuating I'm a drug user, I'd like you to answer that - you or Rob.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 13:40
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What do you mean that McDonald isn't going to happen? He's been one of our best players this season.

You're absolutely right that we can't rely on Emnes on his own.

We needed strikers in and we didn't get them. Now, we're bound to get strikers that aren't as good as those that we could have got had Bates gone.

It all depends on how well Mowbray can use the loan market.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 02/09/2011 13:40
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Does Rob know like?

TurnbullsCans Posted on 02/09/2011 13:45
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Pink the reference to marching powder, are you insinuating I'm a drug user, I'd like you to answer that - you or Rob.


[:D]


PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 13:48
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'Does Rob know like?'

[:D]

Wind your neck in Mappy. You're phucking clueless kidda.

PP ... x

PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 13:51
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'McDonald btw is not going to happen in this lifetime'

[:D] FFS ...

He's been one of the best players this season! As I said, never has someone got it so wrong so often ...

PP ... x

oooooo Posted on 02/09/2011 13:55
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mappy, judging by most of your posts, you do seem to be on drugs.




Supermac Posted on 02/09/2011 13:59
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even if hes on the sniff now you wouldnt come up with such moronic statements as that surely

bill_door Posted on 02/09/2011 14:05
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"How long do you think it'll be before a big centre half puts him into row z? It's bound to happen and then the goals will dry up."

He's been kicked about a fair bit already this season, doesn't seem to have bothered him.

"It hasn't been since perhaps Juninhos time that we have been so reliant on one player2

We're not reliant on one player. When was the last time you actually watched Boro play?

PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 14:25
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Poor MAPPY [sad]

PP ... x

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 14:26
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[:D]

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 14:34
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"we're bound to get strikers that aren't as good as those that we could have got had Bates gone."

Except that without having to commit to at least a 3 year contract - plus signing on fee - we could be in a position to finance a loan signing far superior than anyone we could have hoped to sign outright.

I bet Cardiff are gutted they couldn't get Robert Earnshaw in on a permanent deal last year and had to make do with Craigc Bellemy on loan.

Don't let facts get in the way of opinion [:D]

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 02/09/2011 14:35
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"It hasn't been since perhaps Juninhos time that we have been so reliant on one player2


......Adam Johnson?

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 14:38
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That just doesn't make any sense grantus. Sorry.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 02/09/2011 14:40
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The most encouraging thing this season has been that we look solid as a team. Yes Emnes has bagged the goals but we are hardly reliant on him; Robson has been our best player anyway.

Why don't you try actually watching a match Mappy rather than basing your 'facts' on nothing more than guesswork.
[:D]

PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 14:40
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"It hasn't been since perhaps Juninhos time that we have been so reliant on one player"

It seems like Mappy is forgetting about when Gary O'Neill was single handedly controlling games in the space between the midfield and the attack ... ?

[:D][:D][:D]

PP ... x

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 14:41
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Nice one PP!! I'd forgotten about that little gem.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 02/09/2011 14:42
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I don't recall OnTheMap as a poster so he must be one of the old firm. As such I have no axe to grind. But....



































Poor Mappy [sad]

gravyboat Posted on 02/09/2011 14:43
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Never has a poster dined-out on calling one thing correctly for so long as old mappy does.

He said Southgate wasn't the man for the job about 5 years ago (as did half of the board), has since got everything else completely wrong, yet still comes on here now and again truly believing that he's the Grand Football Oracle. [:D]

He needs to accept he's now just another board pet that we like to chuckle at.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 14:45
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My absolute favourite was that glitch on fmttm that did for him whilst he was in Colombia! It may even have been what caused his departure.

gravyboat Posted on 02/09/2011 14:46
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'Tuncay is world-class'.

Though, not quite as good as John Walters, it seems.

PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 14:46
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Adi [:D][^] ...

I don't know why snippet of Mappy Wisdon is my favourite mind ...

The Gary O'Neill one is certainly up there, but I'm leaning towards the one that went:

January 2009: "We will not get relegated"
February 2009: "We will not get relegated"
March 2009: "We will not get relegated"
April 2009: "We will not get relegated"
May 2009: "We will not get relegated"
After Relegation: I told you all along but you just wouldn't listen.

Poor MAPPY [sad]

PP ... x

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 14:47
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Adi - I'm saying that by not buying a striker (we had an offer turned down on the last day of the transfer window), regardless of Bates or not - keeps us in the hunt for a loan signing, who could potentially be a lot better than anyone we could hope to sign outright, not just from a financial perspective, but also from the ability to attract a player.

A young up and coming player from one of the big boys would be ideal.

Anyway - until it's all done and dusted it is what it is...conjecture.

skiprat Posted on 02/09/2011 14:48
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Emnes is our Juninho in the same way that Tuncay was "our Rooney" as you said OTM, you phooking idiot.

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 14:49
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'My absolute favourite was that glitch on fmttm that did for him whilst he was in Colombia! It may even have been what caused his departure'

[:D]

That was when we played Aston Villa away ... He was on the board from the minute Sidwell equalised and had been slating us all week in the build up.

At the top in the list of active users his name was there, then Tuncay scored in the last seconds and he disappeared and then claimed that he was in 'Columbia' [sic] [:D]

Priceless.

PP ... x

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 14:50
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'Glitch, Adi?
It's as if you and everyone you know never go further than Benidorm. You should try a bit of travelling, it broadens the mind and if ever a mind needed broadening....

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 14:50
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OK, I see what you're saying. I don't agree with you on that. History tells us that the quality of loan player you can get and their commitment isn't what it might be.

Selling Bates was key for me. Getting shot of his salary would have given us quite a significant package to be able to offer potential recruits.

So I see it the opposite way to you.

Bandy Posted on 02/09/2011 14:51
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Onthemap holds the record on here for being the most consistent nob head.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 14:52
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And that's some achievement Bandy!!

gravyboat Posted on 02/09/2011 14:53
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We should get him a rosette.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 02/09/2011 14:54
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Uwe Fuchs came here on loan and was a legend.

Zenden came here on loan and was a legend

Bandy Posted on 02/09/2011 14:54
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he lurks and waits for the moment but gets it hopelessley wrong everytime.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 14:54
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Yep, it's a good job we're in the same financial position we were in in those days otherwise we might not be able to get someone like Zenden.

Oh.

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 14:55
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Fair enough fella, all about opinions - but may I point you to a few players from not too long ago?

Zenden
Mendieta
Geremi
Xavier

All not bad from a loan point of view. Once the dust settles, we may still prove to be short, but until then, there is still time and opportunities to be found. Loans aer cheaper than outright signings and sometimes a better player will take a drop in level to get a game, or to develop, than he will to sign permanently.

Either way - Up the Boro.

Poor Mappy [sad]

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 14:56
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Hello Bandy and Adi.

Modest little men with lots to be modest about.

Was that Churchill?

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 14:57
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Yes but we're not exactly in a position to get those type of players. We're not as big a pull and we don't have anywhere near the finance.

Think Isiah Osborne, Marcus Bent and Dave Kitson rather than Zenden, Mendieta and Geremi!

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 14:58
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Come on mappy get a sense of humour, we're just teasing. It's been a while since you were on here.

I, for one, am glad to see you back.

Bandy Posted on 02/09/2011 14:59
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I'm not teasing. I think he's a pr ick

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 02/09/2011 14:59
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'History tells us that the quality of loan player you can get and their commitment isn't what it might be'

adi that comment was about history of our loan signings not what we may be able to afford now.

either way i still mentioned Fuch and he was fantastic for us at a similar level.

P.S. i am not sure we could have afford Chelsea wages even then for zenden [;)]

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 14:59
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Are we confident in Mowbray's ability to pick a player?

Yes

Is the transfer market for loans as big as it is for transfers?

No

Is the quality of potential loans higher than potential signings?

Arguably yes.

Keep positive, there is still time to bring someone in.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 15:00
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Bandy, Don't you love nature, despite what it did to you?

Look what Danny de Vito accomplished.

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 02/09/2011 15:05
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[:D][:D][:D]

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:05
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Look grantus, I hope you're right, I really do. I just don't see it I'm afraid.

By the way, Fuchs, despite the success he had and the contribution he made wasn't a good player. Far from it.

And even him, we can't afford now what we could then.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 02/09/2011 15:07
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what wage was Fuchs on then? to say we couldnt afford that loan package now suggests you know.

and you dont rate what Fuchs did for use whilst here on loan?

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:11
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Nice one Raz.

Bandy Posted on 02/09/2011 15:12
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heard sh it like that since school mappy. Catch up with the times. Stay off the charlie scrag head

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 15:12
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I know you dont fella, but even so - rushing around panic selling and buying on the last day of the transfer window is not the way to go about business - I think holding out for a decent loan (providing we are already talking and not relying on training someon up on the Lamb photocopier), could be the prudent option.

I think Bates is an asset and am quite happy that we've kept him, he just neesd to pull his socks up a bit now.

Also - how can you say that by selling Bates we could afford two positive signings but we can't afford to loan in one? Doesn't make any sense, the loaning club do not always pay the full salary, so there is an argument (alerady given) that we can afford a better player on loan.

Anyway, I've made my point, happy hunting.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:14
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grantus - that presumes that Mowbray hadn't been working for a number of weeks on permanent deals. He had and he said as much and so it wouldn't have been last minute deals rushed through.

Let's just agree to differ and hope you're right!!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 02/09/2011 15:14
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'Nice one Raz.'

what does that mean?

i asked you if you rate Fuchs while he was on loan here and his wage that we could no longer afford?

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:15
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Nice one Raz.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 02/09/2011 15:15
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'that presumes that Mowbray hadn't been working for a number of weeks'

but you also presume we'd have to sell Bates to bring anyone in of any decent quality, so that makes you just as presumptuous.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 02/09/2011 15:17
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Raz, aren't you getting dizzy? The circle you keep going round in is getting smaller and smaller.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:17
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Nice one Raz.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 02/09/2011 15:17
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sorry MFC.

did you rate Fuchs? i thought he did very well for us whilst on loan and the fans loved him for it.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 15:18
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Did the bigger boys bully you then Bandy?

aytonboro Posted on 02/09/2011 15:20
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a lot of premier teams will be loaning out players and wages will not be paid in full. look at cardiff last year they got bellamy and never paid a bean.
mogga will only bring in someone who fits his style of play and who he knows will do the job. wait and see, in mogga i trust.[^]

dooderooni Posted on 02/09/2011 15:21
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If we get promoted this year it will be a huge bonus but given the way Mogga has set about things it's not impossible.

We are trying to build so this first transfer window of the new era has to be seen as a success.

If we'd been talking about a real saleable asset like Adam Johnson not moving on then we'd have been able to wonder what we could have done with the millions. As it was, a couple of mil for Bates would not necessarily have made much difference.

No reason why we can't get a young up and coming lad from one of the PL clubs on loan who'll be hungry to make a name for himself and get some game time.

PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 15:21
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Mappy, which was Gary O'Neills best game for us in the space between the Midfield and the Attack?

PP ... x

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:22
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Bellamy was a Cardiff fan though so slightly different.

I don't recall too many good loans to Championship clubs from the top division but I'd love to be proven wrong.

The better players tend to be loaned within the PL.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 02/09/2011 15:22
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I was too young, Raz. Sorry.[sad]

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 15:24
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Listen, you can all dress this up as much as you like but the truth is you're all just kidding yourselves.

It won't be long at all until the board experts are on groaning on about all the good early season work going to waste, how it was obvious that we just didn't push on and all that guff.

And then Adi and Bandy will say say they agreed with me all along - well maybe not Bandy, he's furious.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 02/09/2011 15:25
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alright MFC.

he did a decent job for us, when we lack a 3rd striker as moreno wasnt doing much so we only had hendrie and wilko up front at that point before Jan signed.

Fuchs was a real boost when we needed it and a good example of historically a loan deal working well for us.

UAUA Posted on 02/09/2011 15:25
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"I'm not teasing. I think he's a pr ick"

Ha ha ha, fantastic!

Bandy Posted on 02/09/2011 15:27
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mappy, never been bullied in my life. Next please

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:28
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I don't agree with much you have said or say mappie do I doubt that will happen.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 15:28
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Chin up Bandy, I mean er...With a mind like yours, who needs a body?

robbso Posted on 02/09/2011 15:29
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Did he really rate O"Neil?, oh dear it"s like some fools though Alliadiare was half decent.

Bandy Posted on 02/09/2011 15:30
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too cryptic for me. You'll have to explain

PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 15:33
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'Did he really rate O"Neil?'

He was our best player, apparantly. Controlling games in the space between the midfield and the attack, and we should have built our team around him.

Honest.

[:D]

PP ... x

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 15:34
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"Did he really rate O"Neil?, oh dear it"s like some fools though Alliadiare was half decent"

I did rate O'Neil, given that he captained England under 21s and was our most consistent midfielder for a long time was proven right.

I can also confirm that yes, this board almost universally rated Ali - NOTE THE WORD ALMOST.

PinkPonce Posted on 02/09/2011 15:36
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'I did rate O'Neil, given that he captained England under 21s and was our most consistent midfielder for a long time was proven right'

[:D] You weren't proven right though Mappy ...

He was a liability in the centre midfield, and the only time he looked half decent was on the right hand side - Incidentally where you claimed he was wasted, and no good ...

You couldn't make it up [:D]

PP ... x

robbso Posted on 02/09/2011 15:37
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Well, he couldn"t tackle,was a poor crosser of the ball, didn"t have a range of passing, couldn"t head a ball, was always injured and errmmm well that"s it really.

He couldn"t even control his gobchit wife.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:40
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If you look back, I always said I thought he was a good player mappie but not in the centre, where he was a liability. Absolutely proven right on that.

And Aliadiere was a decent player for us, simple as that.

robbso Posted on 02/09/2011 15:42
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Which game Adi, Sheff Wed away, he was a sprinter with football boots.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:44
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Plenty of them. You disagree, I get it.

robbso Posted on 02/09/2011 15:45
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Yes mate, me and thousands more!!,Quite a few managers seem to agree with us aswell.[smi]

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 15:46
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Which is fine.

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 15:47
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Aliadiere had a much better pedigree than O'Neil.

Either way - they were both disappointing and contributed to our relegation.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 15:49
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"Aliadiere had a much better pedigree than O'Neil"

I really don't have to try at all - this board gets better and better.

Gillandi Posted on 02/09/2011 15:51
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I always presumed Mappy was talking euphemistically when he used to talk about going to Columbia. Bat-sh!t crazy but good to have him back around the place now ExtraG has lost a bit of lustre and Pogatetz_Ate-My_Credibility posting infrequently. Adds to the colour of this place and brings out the best and worst in others (the worst obviously being better than the best.) Looks like he's got a few new one-liners too (new to him anyway) and there's a new flavour of Joey Barton about him with the haughty Churchillian repostes. Good man. [^]


I'd take issue with the idea that we are dependant on Emnes. Only in the sense that we have so few strikers at the moment are we dependant. I think one of the major pluses of Mowbrays management so for is that we've become a proper "team", greater than the sum of our parts. If we sold Emnes for 5m in January and bought a striker for 1.5m I wouldn't be too worried about goals drying up. I think this is a good team to play in if your a striker. I think Emnes benefits from us as much as we benefit from him.


onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 15:59
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Gillandi, Adi, and whats his face.. Grantus, ffs if idiots could fly this board would be an airport.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:05
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You know, you try to be nice to people and look what happens. Always the same, someone disagrees with him and they're an idiot.

The number of quite comical things you've posted over the years is incredible mappie.

As gill says, it's good to have you back. There's always room for crazies.

COULBYBORO Posted on 02/09/2011 16:05
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"I really don't have to try at all"-[:D]
Einstein said the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.He must have come to that conclusion reading your posts OTM.[:o)]
Hows the misogynism these days.

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 16:05
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[:D]

Gary Oneil - from Portsmouth with a handful of under 21 appearances - steady career, Portsmouth regular.

Came through the ranks at Portsmouth, making his debut against Barnsley at 16.

Jeremie Aliadiere - from Arsenal with a handful of under 21 appearances - french starlet, who never developed into the player everyone hoped he would.

Coming from the famed French football academy Clairfontaine and through the renown Arsenal youth set up.

Of course Gary Oneil had a better pedigree.

They both were rubbish, only one cost 4 times more than the other.

bill_door Posted on 02/09/2011 16:05
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Onthemap - You didn't answer me after your strange Emnes comments earlier in the thread - have you actually seen us play recently?

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:08
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What do you mean recently bill?

It has always been evident that he doesn't actually attend any games!

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 16:11
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Grantus, look, you really need to change seats at the riverside, you're obviously sat next to some barbie looking airhead who's opinions you've taken on board.

1 I've seen your photo, she'll never agree to a date and:

2 Ali was a waste of space and GoN was a success.

COULBYBORO Posted on 02/09/2011 16:12
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"If idiots could fly this board would be an airport"-what a bizarre analogy.
Surely a better one would be "there are enough idiots on this board to make it a lunatic asylum".
poor otm.[|)]*
*with thanks to Maxi

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:13
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GON a success?

Are you kidding mappie with that?

And a bit of misogyny thrown in for good measure!

gravyboat Posted on 02/09/2011 16:16
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'GoN was a success'

Bahahahahaha

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 16:17
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"GON a success?"

"Are you kidding mappie with that?"

No, the lunatic is actually serious Adi, ridiculous as it sounds, he'll be agreeing with you that it was a good transfer window soon.


Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:19
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You must have missed the bit where I said I felt the transfer window was a mixed bag mappie. But then you always did just ignore the things that didn't fit in with your arguments.

GON cannot possibly be described as a success.

You'll be telling me that Mido was a success next.

bill_door Posted on 02/09/2011 16:20
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Oh good, a highly-opinionated poster who doesn't go to the matches is just what this board needs.

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 16:20
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You've seen my photo, well bully for you, but what that has to do with this I don't know.

Why you persist to make a fool of yourself I will never know, but kid, you are damn good at it.


Gary Oneil - bought for 6million sold for less than 1million at 28 years old - yeah, huge success.

Poor Mappy [sad]

Adi - he has never been capable of taking on board someone else's opinion - he just picks out little quotes, flips them out of context and tries to belittle them. He get's it wrong more often than not.

Good to see he hasn't changed. Welcome back onthemap.

robbso Posted on 02/09/2011 16:21
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Well i watched both O"Neil and Aliadiaire on the radio and can safely say they were both chit.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:22
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Not only that grantus but a key component of one of the worst midfields we've had in recent times, a key component in a relegated team and someone that hardly pulled up any trees in the Championship with the team built around him.

I think we can add this to mappie's list of nonsense.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 16:25
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Let's see, how can I break this down?

If we fail to sign anyone in the next window, will that be two successful transfer windows in a row?

japsterboro Posted on 02/09/2011 16:27
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Mappy - Do you think Mogga is the right man for the job? Yes or no?

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 16:27
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That's not breaking anything down - that is now adding the next transfer window into your nonsense.

Humpty Posted on 02/09/2011 16:28
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"I don't recall too many good loans to Championship clubs from the top division but I'd love to be proven wrong."

bellamy to cardiff
yakubu to leicester

having said that i think they're are the exception rather than the rule.

for the record gary o'neil and to a lesser extent aliadiere were both good players for the boro.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 16:30
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What job, Middlesbrough manager? If keeping this board happy is the job spec then yes.

If you want to know whether I think he'll give the likes of you the type of team you think he will, then no.

Humpty Posted on 02/09/2011 16:31
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oh for XXXXXX sake mappy [|)]

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:32
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Forgot about Yak, humpty. Difficult for us to get those type of players in on loan of course.

For those that aren't familiar with his work, here are some of mappie's gems:

1. DGL is better than Aliadiere
2. Strikers contribute nothing unless they scores.
3. When commenting on a match you have to make such comments prior to the final whistle or they are rendered invalid by the presence of match reports and the like.
4. Defensive mistakes are the fault of the strikers.
5. Arca was playing badly because of Rochemback.

Have I missed any?

Oh yes - Mappie was in Colombia which is why he claimed he didn't post after a good win. Unfortunately for mappie a glitch in fmttm provided a list at the top of the board setting out who was logged in for the several hours after that same match. Guess whose name was there? And guess who wasn't in Colombia?

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 16:35
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Adi, I really did think you were better than that. I could go through all of your points but really, we both know the truth.

But nevertheless, I did think you better than that.

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 16:35
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What about the bet about Downing?

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:36
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Did you? That's not evident from the vast array of insulting posts you've written since returning.

And every single one of them points is spot on. And we all know it.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:38
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[:D]

Spot on grantus. It wasn't Downing was it? Didn't he say he'd put 10k behind some bar if anyone could find a post in which he criticised Gibson?

Several of us found a few such threads and guess what? He welched.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 16:41
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Grantus
"What about the bet about Downing?" This'll be good, what bet was that Grantus.

Adi, how come when you insult me it's "oh, chin up,it's just fun .. blah blah bla"

And honestly Adi, if you are as I suspect an adult you'll look at those points and smack yourself.

grantus Posted on 02/09/2011 16:42
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Aye - that was the one Adi - I couldn't remember the details [:D] Funnily enough he disappeared after that.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 16:43
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Really Adi. Really.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:44
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I'm not saying there's any difference between me insulting you and you insulting me, it's just that you claimed I was 'better than that' and seemed surprised at what I had posted whereas I know you're not.

Here's another gem for you. Mappie felt Rooney was better than Messi.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 16:47
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These are good Adi. Tell them the one about, oh I don't know, the clubs accounts.

In fact don't, go and take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror, you're a grown man for Gods sake.


gravyboat Posted on 02/09/2011 16:48
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Gary O'neil is our best player
Tuncay is world class

Like I say, he called one thing right 5 years ago, yet thinks he's Henry Winter and Pep Guardiola rolled into one. 'Deluded' is a word banded about on here far too often, but it's the appropriate term with this clown.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:50
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Right back at you mappie. I started on this thread providing you with my view in a reasonable way.

As soon as you started being an arse you got some back and it seems you can't take it very well.

It's funny because it's all true.

EDIT: Scratch that, you were an arse in the OP.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:52
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Oh and GON operates in the space between midfield and the strikers!

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 16:54
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You see Adi, this is where you just shoot yourself in the foot. The threads still open, go back and you'll see I was perfectly reasonable with you up until you started your childish little remarks about "glitches".

Go on, read back, it makes you out to be a liar. Fuuny that isn't it. Here you are portraying me as the arse.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:58
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Just re-read it and as I said above I was wrong, you were an arse in the OP mappie and got what you deserved. Thanks for getting me to re-visit it.

Can you not take it mappie?

If not, I suggest you dont start a thread by insulting everyone. There's a good lad.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 16:59
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Oh and I don't need to portray you as an arse, you're doing a fine job of it yourself. No help from me required.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 17:03
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Adi, calm down, I'm not trying to upset you. If it makes you feel better I have no problem with you, I like you following me about, I had a Jack Russell once, same thing.


Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 17:06
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As usual mappie, I don't appear to be the one getting all upset. Calm yourself down and pace yourself.

You've had a bit of a stinker for your first post in a while and I know it's embarrassing for you but just let it go. No-one thinks any less of you. They couldn't.

[:X]

japsterboro Posted on 02/09/2011 17:33
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"What job, Middlesbrough manager? If keeping this board happy is the job spec then yes.

If you want to know whether I think he'll give the likes of you the type of team you think he will, then no."

Yes, of course the job of manager. This board is a fraction of the fan base of the club so the opinion of posters gives a general feel for support of the team/manager/chairman.

With regards to your second point, the manager has taken huge steps to building on what was taken apart by the previous managers who failed. I very much doubt there is a manager available within our budget who could have done a better job to date. Of course, only time will tell but the signs are positive. Personally, I don't care 'what type' of team I get ... as long as they're winning ... as long as the club does its best 'within a sensible, manageable budget' then I'll be happy.

Attractive football is all well and good but when you don't have the budget to recruit the likes of Messi and Kaka, I'd rather see us winning with a team of cloggers.[^][:D]

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 17:56
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I agree with your comments about maintaining a "sensible, manageable budget" but think you underestimate just how important that actually is.

That's the reason we didn't get the striker(s) we needed. Forget this garbage about needing players that fit into the style of play. The reason we didn't sign any was becuase we couldn't afford them.

The only way we could have possibly bought the players we need to maintain a promotion push was by selling other players at a price that allowed us to deal.

We couldn't, and it's simply deluded to say "we kept our best players" so the transfer window was a success for the club.

Watch as the goals dry up and this board goes into overdrive with ultimatums about the January window.

bear66 Posted on 02/09/2011 18:00
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"Watch as the goals dry up and this board goes into overdrive with ultimatums about the January window"

A prediction

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 18:01
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Yes, thats why I said watch.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 18:08
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It's strange mappy, given the turn this thread has taken, that was exactly what I was saying on deadline day. I was advocating the sale of Bates to fund strikers.

I don't believe the loan market will be a good bet, I really don't.

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 18:26
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So say we agree that selling Bates was necessary to buy strikers and we didn't, how was it a succesful transfer window?

It's very convenient to say, we hung onto certain players so it went as planned, but the opposite is actually true.

A big chance to put together a promotion campaign has just sailed.

Loans won't happen, other than players of the calibre of Marlon King.

Adi_Dem Posted on 02/09/2011 18:43
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I didn't say it was a successful transfer window mappie, as I've pointed out on the other thread.

This is most definitely your error.

What I actually said was that you have to have balance in that there were some positives but still significant problems that needed addressing.

All kidding aside mappie that's exactly what I said. I don't think it's been a successful transfer window. Equally I don't think it's been an abject disaster either. Somewhere in between for me.

backofthenet Posted on 02/09/2011 20:22
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onthemap - Rob's dream poster = plenty of action on his posts.

Working yet?

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 20:34
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Is what working?

backofthenet Posted on 02/09/2011 20:44
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You. Are you working yet? Not that hard a question is it?

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 20:49
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Oh I see, well given that I work every day, yes thanks I am working. On holiday right now and will be for 4 weeks yet, but still had work to do today.

You?

backofthenet Posted on 02/09/2011 20:57
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[:D] [:X]

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 21:05
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Is that a yes? Or are you trying to seduce me, like Adi sometimes does?

backofthenet Posted on 02/09/2011 21:07
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Oh aye, early night, early start tomorrow you see.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 02/09/2011 21:08
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onthemap: owned by Adi. Yet again.

[:D]

onthemap Posted on 02/09/2011 21:15
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I wondered how long it'd be before impotent Irene turned up.

Listen, if I promise to miss you will you f**k off?

Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 03/09/2011 00:05
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Poor MAPPY [sad]

PinkPonce Posted on 03/09/2011 00:08
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[:D][sad]

PP ... x

Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 03/09/2011 00:13
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Dont know what map he's using..but he's well and truly fcuking lost [sad]