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PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:04
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To cut a long story short had a letter home regarding my sons school attendance that for reasons i will explain if needed was 92% for the last academic year. Basically the school are now saying that for any appointments or illness my son has they want medical evidence to back this up. His sickness record is no worse than you would expect but the tone of the letter was very condescending and made us out to be liars regarding our son,s sickness time.
Just a question really and that is can the school actually demand this?

BobbyG Posted on 26/08/2011 19:06
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How many actual days off does it equate to?

Elmo Posted on 26/08/2011 19:08
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It's a bit like the letters they send when you go on holiday during term time. Just file it in the bin.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:11
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Bobby without his reports in front of me I am not 100% sure.
Basically we had a holiday to Florida in school time at the begining of the new school year and when we put the holiday form in we were told "sorry no holidays allowed in September"! No problem with that and we received a warning off the local authority and took the warning on the chin.It was the first (and last) time we had ever had holidays in school time but regradless he was marked as unauthorised leave for 15 days hence the low % attendance.Sickness wise he was rarely off. I know people will say its our own fault for having holidays in term time and thats fair enough but it was a once in a lifetime trip and we took the gamble.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:13
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Elmo-wish I could copy the letter as the tone of it was atrocious, basically saying that they didn,t believe that reasons given were legitimate and basically calling us liars-it really is that close to the bone!!!
They have received a curt reply and I am awaiting a meeting with the attendance officer and headmaster.
I just want to have an idea where I stand with their demands for medical evidence.

jimmy_james Posted on 26/08/2011 19:14
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Did your child just happen to be sick for two weeks before the summer holidays when package holidays abroad are considerably cheaper?

If so they might well be protecting the child's education from money orientated parents!

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 19:16
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15 days is a long time to be absent from school. I'm not surprised you've received such a letter.

BobbyG Posted on 26/08/2011 19:16
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I'd write back explaining exactly that. If you're happy that your son isn't bunking off then I don't see why they should be questioning you.

What year is he in out of interest?

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:16
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Jimmy,everything was above board and no he didn,t happen to be sick two weeks before.I even visited the school personally with his holiday form and had a meeting with the attendance officer to discuss the holiday.
That is not how we act so I do not understand their stance now.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:17
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Primus-sorry my mistake.He was actually off school for 11 days-the holiday was 15.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:18
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Bobby,he was in year 9 at the time.

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 19:19
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It's still a very long time to be absent. Would your employer be happy if you just went missing for 11 days?!

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:21
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XXXXXX me Primus-read the posts above. I actually visited the school personally to discuss the situation fully. He didn,t just go missing for 11 days.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:22
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How will re-reading your posts alter his opinion?

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 19:22
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Doesn't matter. Year 9 is an important year, many schools start GCSE courses in Year 9, missing the start of the year is pretty poor on your part. Why not book your holiday during the actual school holidays? Do you not value your child's education?

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:23
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Flaps-it obviously won,t.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:24
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Well no, because his opinion is based on what you've said, not a misunderstanding.

BobbyG Posted on 26/08/2011 19:24
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So not even starting his GCSE curriculum yet...

Sounds to me like an almost automated letter that is actioned once attendance falls below a certain level, or when there have been a particular amount of consecutive days taken off.

You need to ask them to separate the issue. Are they telling you not to take him out of school for the purpose of a holiday, or are they saying that he takes too many days off sick? From what you have said it seem the latter, however as you also state his sickness level is nothing out of the ordinary.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:26
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Primus I accept your point and Like I said we took the warnings on the chin and we will not do it again.We totally value his education and given the time again would have booked different dates.It was a group/family holiday and we went for it. We did everything above board and at no point tried to con the school. I do not understand why they are now basically accusing us of lying and want to know where I stand before the meeting.

Burtsoon Posted on 26/08/2011 19:26
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I'd give them a right bollocking. Whether your son has had days off or not ~ 92% attendance will be probably in the top 15-25% of attendance in his year. If he doesn't bunk out of school, and doesn't take two days a week off "ill" then they shouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Honestly, the education system these days is absolutely garbage... No wonder this generation are all rioting.

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 19:27
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Many schools will start GCSEs in Year 9 and 92% attendance means your child misses almost a day every fortnight on average. Would your employer be happy with 92% attendance?

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 19:28
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There's no way 92% attendance will put the child within the top 15-25% of attendance in his year! Nowhere close.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:28
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Flaps-fair comment.I am not looking for an arguement here.Just some advice before the meeting.
Seems to have received mixed reactions overall though.

BobbyG Posted on 26/08/2011 19:29
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"My employer" probably wouldn't be over the moon if I played Bulldogs at lunchtime, then XXXXXXed off at 3pm [^]

Burtsoon Posted on 26/08/2011 19:31
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Primus, having been through the secondary education system within the last 5 years people with 95%+ attendance are generally the minority... Or it was with my school anyhow.

~ In our school, people with 95%+ attendance were gave a pathetic, stupid award at the end of the year... Every year less than 50 were gave out (there was over 320 people in our year at school).

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:32
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Primus I totally agree with what you are saying but this has nothing to do with my employer.
I am looking for advice mate and if you don,t have any thats fine.

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 19:34
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If you look at the attendance data for schools then 92% is below average and hence why it has triggered a letter. Average overall absence rates run at around 5-6%.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:35
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"Primus, having been through the secondary education system within the last 5 years people with 95%+ attendance are generally the minority..."

If this is the case, schools taking proactive measures such as contacting parents of children with poor attendance can only be a good thing, surely?

Elmo Posted on 26/08/2011 19:35
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Ask them to pay the difference in the cost of the holiday if they would like to change your holiday. Or to reimburse you for the day of childminding you had to do when they went on strike or closed for snow. Boils my XXXXXX the way schools go on like this

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 19:36
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PaulieJ, your child's attendance is the equivalent of them missing almost 1 day every fortnight. Now can you see why you've received this letter?

I would consider it pretty poor to take a child out of school for 11 days at any time but right at the start of term is almost the worst time (the worst time being during exams).

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:36
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"Ask them to pay the difference in the cost of the holiday if they would like to change your holiday. Or to reimburse you for the day of childminding you had to do when they went on strike or closed for snow. Boils my XXXXXX the way schools go on like this"

Well done: you've posted the most ridiculous comment.

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 19:38
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Elmo, schools publicise their holidays well in advance, it is not their fault that holiday prices are more expensive during school holiday times.

Your point regarding strikes and snow closures is sadly misinformed. Over the past decade only 2 days have been lost to strike action as far as I can recall. With regards to snow it is often not the fault of the school - health and safer is a big problem as is the fact that many children do not live locally and nor do staff, if busses aren't running then for many schools that means closure.

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 26/08/2011 19:38
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92% is pretty poor to be fair. Agree with the other poster that that sort of attendance would not be in the top 25%.

Which school is this if you dont mind me asking?

Burtsoon Posted on 26/08/2011 19:39
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Flaps, whilst you make a valid point. I personally feel that schools are taking the wrong approach. If they actually sent encouraging letters to parents that explain how their offspring's attendance has dropped, and that they would like to have a friendly chat to see if the child has been having problems (bullying, etc)- I would be fine with it. However, too many schools decide to take the heavy handed, condescending route of "Your child is missing 1 day off every two weeks... We couldn't care less why they have been off but we know it's your fault!"


Elmo Posted on 26/08/2011 19:39
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I would think taking a child to America for 15 days is a far better experience for their development than spending 55 hours in lessons

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:39
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"We couldn't care less why they have been off but we know it's your fault"

The school knows it's their fault - they went on holiday.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:41
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Flaps from my point of view I have no issue with the school taking a proactive approach. I wish i could copy/paste the letter and the tone of it-that is what is getting to me.
We had never taken holidays in term time and will not again.All was done above board, meetings held with the school and my feelings are that they have not taken his overall attendance record into account and basically have accused us of lying.His school reports are always excellent and we have had numerous letters and certificates regarding his behaviour and committment.We are not talking about some problem child here.He is doing very well and expected to achieve very good results long term.
That cannot be right.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:42
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Doriva,for obvious reasons I would rather not name the school.

Burtsoon Posted on 26/08/2011 19:44
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Flaps, you sound as if you are currently working at the administration department of a school. I wonder if it is you who is sending out these types of letters?

Unfortunately, in case you didn't realise. These robotic approached haven't, and never will help anybody... With those types of letters "It's your fault, we don't want to talk, we just want to blame you" will only cause bad feeling between parents and a school... and ultimately the child in question. If a child feels like he/she is being persecuted for being off an average amount of time... What's that saying to them? In my mind it will tell many kids to actually start bunking off, as they are already taking the punishment when they aren't.

oooooo Posted on 26/08/2011 19:46
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You aren't happy with the 'tone'?

I hope the tone is sh1tty just like your attitude.

For all the abuse teachers get, you have to shake your head in disbelief at the parents.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:46
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Nope don't work in admin, don't work in a school, and never have.

I'm just applying a bit of common sense.


Somebody has already said in this thread that 92% is not 'an average amount of time'.

I don't agree that schools should bend over backwards to avoid offending parents.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:48
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oooooo,no attitude mate. I have been asked to attend a meeting-i am going. I just want to know where I stand regarding the demand for medical evidence.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:49
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Seems a reasonable request tbh.

oooooo Posted on 26/08/2011 19:51
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Well you did mention the tone. The bottom line is, if you decide to XXXXXX off 10% of your kids school attendance then you get treated like the other parents who don't send their kids to school.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:52
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Flaps if it is across the board so to speak then I have no issues.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:52
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What do you mean by 'across the board'?

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:53
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ooooo-fair enough.
Thanks for the advice.

Burtsoon Posted on 26/08/2011 19:53
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Ultimately what is the most important thing in relation to a school? It's students. Surely XXXXXXing off a load of parents won't do the students opinion of the school any good. XXXXXXed off students are more likely to cause trouble, bunk off, etc. I'm fairly sure nobody who posts on these messageboards would like to see their parents disrespected in relation to anything.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:55
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I don't care if parents feel 'disrespected' by a school. Those that end up feeling that way are unlikely to reserve the 'respect' they insist on receiving without earning.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 19:56
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Flaps-should have explained better-my apologies.
If all parents are expected to provide medical evidence for appointmenst,illness etc.

Elmo Posted on 26/08/2011 19:56
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There's a 190 days in the school year. Is 11 days 10%? Seems like you must have missed a few days yourself

oooooo Posted on 26/08/2011 19:58
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Burtsoon, that's one mental post mate.

Why would you want to elevate parents and kids onto a pedestal where they could never face any criticism? The world needs less of those people!

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 19:58
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"If all parents are expected to provide medical evidence for appointmenst,illness etc."

I'm guessing that would be impractical. If somebody is off a couple of days a year they'll be given the benefit of the doubt. You've been asked to provide this information because of the poor attendance record.

I can see why you don't like it, but it's not difficult to understand why they've asked for this.

Burtsoon Posted on 26/08/2011 20:00
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Respect is a two way street. I'm fairly certain parents wouldn't start sending in abusive, angry letters to a school if something farcical such as a teacher being ill for four english lessons in a row.

Anyway, back on topic. Surely you could just explain in the meeting it was a one off and that you won't be taking a holiday in term time again? I'm fairly certain that the people you will be talking to will be fairly reasonable. It isn't as if you're pulling him out every other week to XXXXXX off to Edinburgh, etc.

*EDIT* Noticed I had wrote letters instead of lessons... Makes me sound like more of a nutcase than I apparantly am.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 20:01
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"Respect is a two way street. I'm fairly certain parents wouldn't start sending in abusive, angry letters to a school if something farcical such as a teacher being ill for four english letters in a row. "

You really are talking rubbish you know.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 20:02
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Flaps but his attendance record is not at 92% because of sickness and that is my point. It is due to an holiday that the school knew about. I understnd the points of view regarding the holiday and they are all valid. If we had not taken the holiday his sickness would not have been an issue.

Burtsoon Posted on 26/08/2011 20:03
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Oooooooo. Call it mental. But in reality only those who are truly causing problems are in need of schools sending out letters like that.

In this case a young lad has missed two weeks before the start of his summer holidays... It isn't as if he has taken every friday off for eleven consecutive weeks.

Flaps ~ I'm talking rubbish... That's your opinion mate. Unfortunately for you, what you're claiming is rubbish is my opinion. Guess what? We're both allowed to have them.

oooooo Posted on 26/08/2011 20:03
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A stern letter isn't the same as angry and abusive. He honestly hasn't said the letter was like that.

Off-topic slightly but respect is never and should never be earned. You should get it by default and it is there to be lost.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 20:03
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Again I'm just guessing but I imagine that there's a procedure they follow for kids with poor attendance, whatever the reason.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 20:05
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Flaps yet again fair comment. I wil make my case on an individual basis at the meeting but I do not like or appreciate being accused of lying. The letter was very badly worded.

robbso Posted on 26/08/2011 20:07
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You can put a holiday form into the school but it is at the headmaster/mistress discretion whether the time off will be allowed.

Reasons, such as poor attendance ie before holiday, the time/month you want the holiday. You unfortunatly picked the wrong time, they prefer you take these holidays at the end of the school year.

Look on the website,(gov.org or something)

I am only speaking from the experience i have had with my sons school. My holidays are allocated so i have to try and work holidays around term times.

To be honest i got the same type of letter from the education authority after being refused time out. I challenged it, took my shift rota to a meeting with the education authority and the headmistress.

We had a lengthy debate,i was even threatened with fines, told to take my summer holidays in February[smi]before i showed them my shift rota for the next three years and they admitted they were being inflexible.

Be reasonable and you will be ok.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 20:10
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Robbso-cheers for the response. I was very reasonable as you obviously were and attended a meeting to explain things and put the holiday form in.He was still marked absent and I accepted the warning.My point is that I was above board with the whole process but now accused of pulling the wool over their eyes.

marsked_magician Posted on 26/08/2011 20:14
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If I was the boss at work and one of my employees was off sick 8% of the time that means that on an average of just over 2 weeks they are having a day off. I would sack them.

robbso Posted on 26/08/2011 20:14
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Paul, you need to remember teachers are under the same pressure as the rest of us performance wise. Absenteeism is a big no no to the education authority, who ultimatly are their bosses.

You may be straight with them, a lot arn"t.

Burtsoon Posted on 26/08/2011 20:15
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Magician, I wouldn't blame you if you did. But surely you would talk to them about it before their attendance ended up that way? Surely firing somebody would be a last resort.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 20:16
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I am at a loss to explain any further.This has nothing to do with employers. The school knew about the holiday,his sickness is not bad,everything was done above board,we did not lie anywhere through the process.

robbso Posted on 26/08/2011 20:16
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Not if you are just looking for a bite.[;)]

kazza Posted on 26/08/2011 20:18
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he was marked as unauthorised leave for 15 days
how long did you go to florida for? if it was for 2 weeks shouldnt that have been 10 days

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 20:19
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Robbso-fair comment again but is it asking too much for these things to be looked at on an individual basis?
I must also add that I have absolutley no problem with the school.They have been superb for my son and I cannot praise their standards enough.My son has been given a top notch education and I do not want to come across as if there are deeper issues here.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 20:21
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Kazza,tried to rectify that mistake earlier.
We went for 14 days and he was off for 11.The last day was due to a long flight delay and we got back in the house 16 hours after we should have-hence the extra day.

robbso Posted on 26/08/2011 20:22
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Like i said,headteachers discretion, if they thought your child had taken too much time off the previous term they might decline your request.

Alternatively the headteacher may be a right smelly, miserable, grumpy fecker[smi].

marsked_magician Posted on 26/08/2011 20:23
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I remember when I was 9, my mam + dad took me away for 2 weeks at the start of the school year and they were none too impressed. Never got any further that though.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 20:24
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I still remember the day my mum and dad said I should'nt go to school and instead we went to great ayton and played a bit of cricket. Only happened the once but it's always stuck with me.

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 20:25
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Paulie my advice on the matter is this, walk into the meeting and chuck a cheque at them for 200 and tell them youre doing the same next year and theres the fine up front, all theyre doing is following procedure to be able to fine you if you do it again

But most importantly ask them for proof of fining anyone on benefits who take their kids out without permission or youll cancel the cheque


kazza Posted on 26/08/2011 20:28
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well hope i dont get a letter, daughter going away next week for 2 weeks, put the holiday in at school just before they broke up

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 20:30
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next time you get a letter about a teacher training day coming up send them a snotty letter suggesting they take training in THE 6 FCUKINGBASTURD WEEKS HOLIDAYS THEY GET !!!!!!!![:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]

kazza Posted on 26/08/2011 20:34
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[:D][:D]

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 20:39
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Lingdale-[^][^][^]
Teacher training days?? Now there is another can of worms truly opened.Think I will start a separate thread!!!
[:D]

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 20:43
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Teacher training days are already part of the holiday allocation for students/pupils. The 5 days per year for CPD form part of the contract with teachers which involves them being in school when students aren't.

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 20:44
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id go in and get arsey, ask them for teachers attendance records and also ask for medical proof, most teachers are alcoholic wrecks or cokeheads that miss mondays on a regular basis

also ask why your childs education should suffer cos his teachers need "training" and this training has to be done in term time

cant they do it as homework ?????


just a thought

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 20:45
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so primus why cant they train over the 6 week period or on an evening ???

fcukin hypocrites the lot of them

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 20:47
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Lingdale they can't take them then because they are a contractual requirement and are only permitted to be taken during term time. Teachers are not responsible for this being the case. This was imposed by a previous Government (Tory).

Whilst they are taken during term time, they do not reduce the number of teaching days. Students still receive 190 days of teaching per year.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 26/08/2011 20:50
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Aren't kids allowed up to ten days off on top of the standard school holidays?

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 20:51
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you see my point tho, criticising parents for takin their kids on holiday then being absent to train when they could be teaching

im not been funny but theyre not exactly hard done to with time off are they

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 20:52
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Lingdale, they aren't absent. Teachers still teach the same number of days they always have the 5 days CPD are in addition to the 190 teaching days.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 20:52
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Dan unfortunately its not allowed in my son,s school to take holidays in September. For reasosn given by other posters that is fair comment.I just didn,t know this when booking the bloody holiday!!!
[cr]

Dibzzz Posted on 26/08/2011 20:55
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I took my son out of school for 10 days to go to sharm el sheikh. In late Novemeber when the weather was a mare.

He was 6, took him to the pyarmids, he learnt a more about the egyptions there that any class room could offer.

We had a fantastic holiday, and about 500 quid cheaper than during peak times, ie when the kids are off.

As it panned out, the school was running on skeleton staff, closing early and was shut for a couple of days, all during our holiday. Total chaos.

We left the a day before it got really bad, ours was the last flight out of Teesside.

So all in all the best thing we've done.

Nowt to do with thrifty parents, the kids are allowed 10 days holiday, although it's not encouraged.

I can't see the harm in it as a one off thing, one of those once in a lifetime holidays.

I blame the greedy holiday firms forcing parents to make choices like this, simple as that.

kazza Posted on 26/08/2011 20:55
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Aren't kids allowed up to ten days off on top of the standard school holidays

i thought that was the case also
paulie, which school? if not want to say just say area[:D]

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 20:56
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primus youre losing me, i know my kids are off school cos of teacher training days

summer holiday now seem like 7 weeks rather than 6

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 20:57
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Kazza we are covered by the Redcar and Cleveland council rules!!!

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 20:59
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Lingdale, pupils have always received 190 days per year education. They still do. In 1988 inset CPD training was started, they have also been called "Baker Days" after Ken Baker the minister who introduced them. These days are in addition to the 190 so students/pupils are still in school for 190 days but staff are in for 195.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 26/08/2011 21:01
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I'm sure a once in a lifetime trip with a loving family is generally a very positive experience for any child anyway!

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:03
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The thing is, it's clear that the student concerned missed more school than just the 11 days of the trip and that is why the letter has been sent.

92% attendance means the student must have missed about 15 days in total over the academic year.

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 21:03
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well if they did the 5 extra days in the summer holidays then kids could get an extra 5 days tuition through the year

how many days holidays does a teacher get again ???

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:04
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Dan I totally agree. It wasn,t a decision we came to lightly but having looked at the pros and cons we went for it. We never had before and will not again but god are we suffering for it!!!

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:04
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Lingdale they can't do the days during the holidays. Teacher contracts state when training days are carried out. The issue is one you'd need to take up with the Government.

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:05
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PaulieJ - how are you suffering for it? By having to provide proof of absences? Can't see how that's a particularly big problem?

dodger Posted on 26/08/2011 21:06
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Paulie , they are giving you grief because they have to play the numbers game with statistics etc.

Local authority stats , Government stats et al.

Tell them you took your child away on a religious pilgrimage , the shoite will stop.

Shoite v Shoite = no action , they cancel each other out [^]

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:07
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Primus you are getting too entrenched with it all. He may well have had 15 or more days abscence but without the holiday he would not have been flagged up for attendance problems.The school knew about the holiday but now want medical evidence if he has an appointment or if he is off sick. Can that be justified? Thats all I am wanting to know.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 26/08/2011 21:09
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It's a letter sent out by procedure to help protect kids who aren't as lucky as yours. I'd not take it personally. OK, re-read, I see your issue

degsyspesh Posted on 26/08/2011 21:09
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PaulieJ - I'm not sure what you expected to happen. You asked the school if you could take your kid out of class for 2 weeks at the start of an important academic year - they said no you can't and you were also warned by the LEA - but you took him anyway.

What the f'ck else did you expect other than a snotty letter about his attendance?

I'm not moralising here - whether you take your kids out of school in term time is ultimately your call as a parent but I don't get why you were expecting anything different to happen?

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:10
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Yes it can be justified and it's not unreasonable. All you need do is provide evidence of where your child has been during the absence. It needn't be onerous - just send the appointment letters or confirmations in with them and if they're ill at home send a brief note explaining the absence and signing it. If they were off for more than a few days in a row they might like to see proof that a doctor has been seen.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:10
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Primus suffering was probably an over reaction but if he is ill with a cold or flu he goes to the doctors,if he is vomiting he goes to the doctors,if he has earache he goes to the doctors if he has any general child ailment that can be cured with over the counter mediaction he will have to go to the doctors.What a wast of time and resources.

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:11
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I would imagine that's not what they're saying. If you speak to them you will be able to clarify it.

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 21:13
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Paulie

If your lads ill take him to school and let them look after him

See how long it is before you get a phone call saying you need to come and pick him up [:D]

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:14
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Deggsy let me explain again-the school have basically called me a liar. I did not lie anywhere through the whole process. I have no issue with the actual letter but I do have issue with the tone of it and the accusations of lying within the letter itself.
For god sake all I wanted was some advice re-medical advice.

dodger Posted on 26/08/2011 21:15
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Lingdalegend [^]


PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:17
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Primus word for word the letter says this re medical evidence " from now on we will require medical evidence for any appointment or illness where your son misses school". Medical eveidence was even underlined and written in bold!!!! Now if I have misread the meaning then please put me right

degsyspesh Posted on 26/08/2011 21:17
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Paulie - apologies - I hadn't read everything above....

Was it just a standard letter that had been sent out to everyone with a low attendance?

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:18
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PaulieJ the letters that are sent out are standard letters and the schools are required to send them out. What you have to try to imagine is many parents allow pupils to miss school without reason or take many long holidays during the year. These letters are probably designed more for those parents.

That said your child did miss 8% of school days in one academic year and with GCSE courses starting earlier and earlier the letter is probably justified.

Had your child only missed the 11 days for the holiday and had 0 days off ill then you'd probably have never got a letter.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:19
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degsy no worries mate and if it was a bog standard letter they will be getting a few more replies I am sure!!!!
Either that or I have had a bad week!!!!!
[:D][^]

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 21:20
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can i come to the meeting with you paulie ???

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:23
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PaulieJ they might get more parental complaints but unfortunately there's nothing the school can do because:

1. they have to send the letters out
2. children should attend school more regularly than 92% of the time.

I'm not sure you understand how much a student will miss by having that amount of time off, particularly 11 days in a row at the start of the year. What did you do as a parent to help your child catch up - did you get in touch with their form tutor, subject teachers etc. Did your child ask for the work missed, complete it etc.?

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:24
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Primus if he had missed 8% of his academic year through illness then I would not have reacted to the letter.My point is that the bulk of that 8% was because of an holiday that I was totally upfront about.In hindsight I have admitted that it was not the best decision I have ever made but the justification for this medical evidence is non-existent in my eyes. I will sort it at the meeting.

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:25
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It probably will get sorted and you will probably find them to be quite reasonable!

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:27
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Primus I personally went into the school to discuss the issue. I am not really sure what else I could do. The holiday form was put in when he went back to school.I ahould have put the form in earlier-at the end of the previous school year maybe but thought I was doing the right thing. You trying telling a child that you are going to America/Florida then oh sorry your not actually as you cannot have the time off. Tel me where the benefit of that would have been for my son?

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:29
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The benefit for your son could be argued to be the 11 days education he missed at the start of a very important academic year. Perhaps you should have checked about booking a holiday during term time before you actually booked it?

They have to send these letters out, they have no choice in the matter. As I've said when you meet with them I would imagine you will be able to come to an agreement that suits all parties.

LingdaleLegend Posted on 26/08/2011 21:29
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your son will remember the trip to florida for the rest of his life

the 2 weeks education missed i very much doubt will have any effect on his life

go for a month next year [^]

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:32
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What a responsible and cracking parent you will be/are Lingdale. I'm not even going to bother responding to you anymore.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:32
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Primus it could also be argued that seeing a totally different culture/way of life for two weeks will benefit him more than 11 days of education could do as we didn,t just go to theme parks every day.We are going off tangent a lot here but I do see your point.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:34
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Primus do you work in education/schools then as you seem to be justifying/backing up the schools stance?

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:35
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I'm a teacher (but not at a school in Middlesbrough!)

I'm not sure you understand how much a student will miss by having that amount of time off, particularly 11 days in a row at the start of the year. What did you do as a parent to help your child catch up - did you get in touch with their form tutor, subject teachers etc. Did your child ask for the work missed, complete it etc.?

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:41
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Primus I hold my hands up and admit i do not/did not understand the implications and as admitted with hindsight a different decision may have been made. What I will reiterate is that through all of this I was completely honest with the school now I am made out to be a liar.Dress it up how you like mate but that is wrong on any level. Like I said though I will have my say at the meeting. I am a level headed person and will listen to all points of view-I do not like being called a liar though.

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:42
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Unfortunately as I said the letters are a standard template and schools have to send them out.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:45
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I understand the standard letter route mate but if a few more parents have received the same letter then they need to re-look at writing that letter!!!

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:46
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As I've said it's not the schools who write the letters, they are told they have to send them out.

You also have to remember the vast majority of parents who receive these letters fully deserve them!

Red_Matter Posted on 26/08/2011 21:47
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That attendance is better than Rockliffe. Sign the boy up!

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:48
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They still send them though mate.Not blaming the school-they do what they have to do but surely they are allowed to have a say in the content of the letter if they end up getting the flak for it?

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:51
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Regardless though it has been an interesting debate-I still do not know where I stand re the medical evidence mind!!!
[:O][?]

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:51
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They have to send them! The vast majority of parents who receive these letters fully deserve the tone of them. You are one of the few and this will be resolved with a face to face meeting.

Unfortunately generic letters have to be used at times, there's not a lot can be done about it without spending a fortune on additional administrative staff.

mikeyyyy Posted on 26/08/2011 21:52
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could be bothered reading all them posts but
if it's evidence they want, give them so much evidence that they wished they didn't bring up the situation, picture logs doctors notes, hourly log on the childs behaviour and in depth descriptions of how it is affecting his ability to attend school

THEN pile it all in one huge book when he's better and make them provide proof that they've read it in detail as you wouldn't believe they'd checked your evidence otherwise.

i admit i'm gonna be a dikc as a parent[;)]

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:52
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PaulieJ go an talk to them about the medical evidence etc. you will find them reasonable people!

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:53
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Mikeyyyy that's not something to be proud of. Parents should set a good example for their children not behave like idiots.

peterkay Posted on 26/08/2011 21:54
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I will be taking my kids out of school for around 10-15 days each year due to the cost of holidays, my kids will still do well at school and achieve good grades. Paulie the amount of time seems trivial.

PAULIEJ Posted on 26/08/2011 21:54
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Primus-the school have always been more than reasonable and thats what has probably surprised me in all of this.

Primus84 Posted on 26/08/2011 21:57
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PeterKay - the very least you could do if you insist on taking your children on holiday during term time is make sure they catchup on work missed either by getting in touch with teachers yourself or making sure your child does.

peterkay Posted on 26/08/2011 22:00
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primus I will do, not something I like to do but thecost for holidays is a joke whe the kids are off, we try to take the time close to the end or start of the offical holiday dates. eg ryanair wanted 1200 for 4 of us just to fly end of next week and the week after the kids go back its 600[:(!]

mikeyyyy Posted on 26/08/2011 22:02
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it was in good faith as i do not see myself having children for a good 5-10 years

Red_Matter Posted on 26/08/2011 22:04
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Going on holiday is an education. It broadens your perspective and makes you think about stuff out-of-the-norm. Eff those administrators and tell them to shove it where the sun don't shine, mother effers. Effing A.

peterkay Posted on 26/08/2011 22:13
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Up until 2 yeas ago we nevr took any of our kids out of school during term time and most years they had 100% attendance, however as money becomes tighter and the cost of holidays have gone up you are left with 2 choices, either pay high prices or take the kid out of school term times which makes it much more affordable.

flaps Posted on 26/08/2011 22:32
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"Going on holiday is an education."

It really depends on where you're going though doesn't it. I don't see how a week spent around a pool at an all-inclusive in benidorm can be particularly educational.

robbso Posted on 26/08/2011 22:44
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Have you seen some of the states round those pools, will put a red blooded male off for life.

Lesson learned[smi]

Red_Matter Posted on 27/08/2011 00:05
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"It really depends on where you're going though doesn't it. I don't see how a week spent around a pool at an all-inclusive in benidorm can be particularly educational."

Depends if you spend all your time looking at the concrete. Is that what you do when you go on holiday? Language, mixing cultures in a small space and the dangers of too much sun and swallowing too much chlorine are great lessons learnt.

Get over your provincial stereotypical nonsense and you just might stretch your single brain cell but then again, that's highly unlikely isn't it? [;)]