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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/08/2011 16:19
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590 odd from Brum

woodymfc Posted on 21/08/2011 16:21
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Thats a real poor turn out [V]

r00fie Posted on 21/08/2011 16:22
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borosatsuma Posted on 21/08/2011 16:22
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crowd sound very quiet...

Boro-Bob Posted on 21/08/2011 16:24
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Tense match

Fattimo_Maccarone82 Posted on 21/08/2011 16:26
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590 from brum now that is a poor turn out 17000 boro is not bad

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/08/2011 16:28
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not a bad gate at all

moxxey Posted on 21/08/2011 16:36
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That's because we're on here!

redwurzel Posted on 21/08/2011 16:40
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I wonder how we managed to lose 600 fans after 3 straight wins [sad]

Still we took more to Walsall than Birmingham took to us.

HolgateSp1kes Posted on 21/08/2011 16:41
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That is very poor from the brums

NedKat Posted on 21/08/2011 16:43
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The fans will come back if we can keep this run going ... Remember, Middlesbrough and surrounding areas aren't exactly streets paved with gold ! 27 quid is a lot of money to find for a lot of Boro people ...

Voltaire Posted on 21/08/2011 16:44
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As Gary Gill said, the 17000 that have been to this football match will pass on to their friends what an amazing time they've had. The crowd will grow and grow organically - why?

Because its enjoyable again.

wilkinson37 Posted on 21/08/2011 16:44
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NEDKATS right, 20,000 people with £30 lying around in these parts is rare. Not many more work . (full stop)

woodymfc Posted on 21/08/2011 16:46
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offside-again Posted on 21/08/2011 17:00
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stop making the money excuse. XXXXXX poor attendance and that's a fact. excellent start, and playing good stuff. Should have had at least 19k. [V]

Marc_Feld Posted on 21/08/2011 17:03
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It should be up vs Cov, but Cov aren't doing well at the present time, so they probably won't bring too many.

bryan_munich Posted on 21/08/2011 17:50
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Lifeless apathetic self-loathing Teesside corpses.

r00fie Posted on 21/08/2011 17:52
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Sounds like an Ealing Comedy[cr]

NortonExile Posted on 21/08/2011 17:54
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Let's be honest it's pathetic support. Saw queues outside and was optimistic but disappointed when got inside ground. Far too many people on Teesside would rather spend money on drink and getting rat-arsed and try to find a pub with dodgy foreign tv. Far to them though they can do what they want but everyone at game today was treat to a superb football match

Revol_Tees Posted on 21/08/2011 18:00
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It is a pretty decent attendance and will probably get higher. When in our history have we ever played in the second division and got higher on average -- apart from a freak season in 97/98 when the mid-90s football boom was in full swing? In days gone by we'd realistically be getting 10,000 - 15,000 for the position we're in now.

jam69 Posted on 21/08/2011 18:03
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two games in a week thats a min of £48 for non STH before you spend anything else.its a lot of money to folk out in 6 days.
think the coventry gate will be bigger
dont understand why the championship plays two home two away

bryan_munich Posted on 21/08/2011 18:04
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When in our history have we ever played in the second division and got higher? In days gone by we'd be getting 10,000 - 15,000 for the position we're in now.
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It's a broader demographic now - more women, kids, 'middle class' etc.

Our support is crap beyond the core.


Northwestboro Posted on 21/08/2011 18:06
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20,000 plus should be our average now we are playing good football, it's the only thing that Middlesbrough is known for, I agree with Munich, Far too many people use the money excuse. If a oil rich Arab came in and spent vast amounts we would find another 10000 fans no problem . Some stay away fans think the club should show ambition before they decide to turn up ? .It's pathetic . Anyway can't wait for Saturday, lovin the buzz that's around Boro at the minute . [:D]

jam69 Posted on 21/08/2011 18:07
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and more working class priced out of football(right across the country)

ThePrisoner Posted on 21/08/2011 18:13
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Strange. I use the amount of people in the bogs before kick-off as my crowd gauge and there was quite a few. When I got to my seat
there were actually a lot more people sat around me than usual.

Decent_Left Posted on 21/08/2011 18:17
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The trend is positive. Stop whinging.
It'll be 19k plus on Saturday

Terry_Tibbs_MFC Posted on 21/08/2011 18:17
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I like how people on here during the game criticise the attendance! [?]

ItalianJob Posted on 21/08/2011 18:19
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why the XXXXXXin obsession with attendances?

LoonyLeftie Posted on 21/08/2011 18:19
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Not great but look at how few they brought: 500 from the second city! Look at the population of Middlesbrough and the surrounding area compared to Birmingham! We still get a pretty high crowd for any team in this division, let alone one in what is a relatively small area.

ItalianJob Posted on 21/08/2011 18:23
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Those who were there enjoyed it, those who weren't - XXXXXX 'em

Oooo Posted on 21/08/2011 18:30
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I was really dissapointed more did not turn up but I guess we just have to accept these low gates now

bblf Posted on 21/08/2011 18:35
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Would love to go ,5 season tickets till last year. Couldn't afford to renew can't afford the walk up prices. Feckin love em but what can you do.
If walk up prices were closer to ST prices we could probably come to quite a few games.As it is I can't say Im goimg and leave the rest of my family.

offside-again Posted on 21/08/2011 18:36
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"I like how people on here during the game criticise the attendance!"

Fair point, but the point for me was it was not cash that stopped me going, just hate that excuse when we know for a fact that not that many are out of work,(5-7% of fans ?) and plenty find the cash for pubs, sh ite takeaways, anything else that makes em fat, and with a few spending plenty or should I say losing plenty in bookies. I should go more, no doubt, went to pompey mind and there will be more, could have even had a free tciket today but had not the time, but I;d never not go for the sake of 30 f ucking quid.

marsked_magician Posted on 21/08/2011 18:43
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"Thats a real poor turn out [V]"

Time of post: 16:21

That made me laugh.

offside-again Posted on 21/08/2011 18:43
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Not great but look at how few they brought: 500 from the second city! Look at the population of Middlesbrough and the surrounding area compared to Birmingham! We still get a pretty high crowd for any team in this division, let alone one in what is a relatively small area

missing the point really, I don't expect anything over 20k, but FFS we should have got close to that today. Nice day - FACT Playing well - FACT In the top 4 - FACT Mogga legend - FACT. No further Q's your honour. [^]

jimmy_james Posted on 21/08/2011 18:54
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The beer is up to £3 a pint from 2.60 from 2.40.

15% rise or even a 25% rise from the 2.40p a pint figure.


nor_mate Posted on 21/08/2011 19:01
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of course it'd be good to get high attendances, but I've grown not to care. For the simple fact that when more people start come, they're on the whole clueless XXXXXXing nobheads. Had a load of divvys around me vs Pompey and was even worse today. Groups of lads too smashed to see anything, inevitably not having a clue who our players were (examples today - whos number 10, is that Willo Flood? He was being entirely serious), or constantly moaning (ffs McMahon was the moan of the day from one baldy tosser).

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 21/08/2011 19:04
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SHAME ON YAS your team needs you[^]

JASON1971 Posted on 21/08/2011 19:24
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Frankly, it's a real disappointment. We have come off the back of 2 excellent away wins in Yorkshire, we have an inspirational Teesside manager, a Teesside chairman, have been beaten only once in 17 games and play splendidly expansive football.
What will it take for people to be bothered going back ? I'm sick of the rubbish excuses people make on here and posting about the gate at twenty past 4-if you live in the vicinity- is as nauseating as people who ring BBC Tees and give us mind-numbingly woeful views.
I make a 160 mile round trip for every home game, so I don't think it's unreasonable for the people of Teesside to support our own Mogga.
People can afford a game- it's their choice not to go, but it seems most bizarre not to go when we have a seriously great chance of recreating the Spirit of 86. We may be on the edge of something special.
So dust off your giant foam hands, iron your Brazilian number 10 shirt and get yourself back to see us against Coventry..you might enjoy it..let's get 20,000 to see Boro go top on Saturday.

Gingerpig Posted on 21/08/2011 19:31
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Find it sad on here when the fact people ARE priced out of football grounds & some on here seem to think its because they go to the pub etc. I pay for my mate when i can ...because he's on his arse at the moment & he seriously can't justify £25-27 a game.

Is it so fkin wrong to drop the price or are we so deluded thinking "They will come".....because they won't in big numbers at this time?

Football.....Only industry that see's no recession?

redwurzel Posted on 21/08/2011 19:32
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I agree with Jason the crowd number today was not great, but I bet there was lot more than 6 months ago, there is a a bit of a lag between getting good league results and crowds increasing but they will.

Voltaire Posted on 21/08/2011 19:47
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nor_mate - if we want to swell our gates we need to drop that kind of attitude. So what if he can't recognise the players - perhaps he hasn't been a while? Did you call him a n00b??

Jason - are you quite well-off? If so its so much easier to make 160 mile round trips than it is to go from Billingham when you're not.

See the attached link for a comparison of our attendances over the last 30 years. As you can see, we're quite low for a first division season. But a vital piece of context is the complete dreck fans have been subjected to the last three seasons - it's amazing 17,500 still turn up to be honest. We've finally turned a corner and people expect full houses instantly - it doesn't work like that. Much like the team, it will be a slow process of building, building.

Its enjoyable going to the game as I said above. I came back from Barnsley and Leeds grinning from ear to ear and it made others around me want to go back again. That's what will gradually build up. So tell a friend how much you enjoyed it, go into work tomorrow beaming, and above all, relax about it.


Link: Attendance graph.

intheplasma Posted on 21/08/2011 19:56
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Sat.V Coventry will be the defining game when we will see if Mogga has made the change in Boro that has been needed for as long as I can remember,namely the ability to keep the bubble intact in front of an improved crowd and not ruin a great run by secumbing to a struggling side.
Please Boro, no repeat of the the cry I have heard now for more years than I can remember, typical Boro.
Having said that, get on a 5-0 home win.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 21/08/2011 20:23
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Geta grip. Before 94 20,000 was a good attendance. Now it's still as good. Big ground means XXXXXX all.

CTC should be concerned that young CTC looked like he was part of a 5 man boy band.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/08/2011 20:29
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It's £22 for adult to get in if you want it to be. Its £18 to watch darlo if you turn up on the day. It £16 to sit at york city. We arnt that bad priced. yeah sure drop prices to £10 get another 3000 but then have less income and have to sell another decent player. the PSV game would have got less than 5k if juninho hadnt turned up. it wasnt down to the price.

We are playing some of the most exciting football since the peak of robson's era, but unfortunately we dont have any brazilian internationals now so some fans down want to go and dont think it is fair.

the_dude_abides Posted on 21/08/2011 20:32
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17567, much higher than our ayresome crowds


until we sign somebody from abroad with an exotic name who costs 9 million, the gormless stayways will be content to ring bernie up complaing cos we only won by 2 clear goals etc

XXXXXX the stayaways

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 21/08/2011 20:38
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Darlo, york etc is vastly over priced, not boro under priced.

hootswah Posted on 21/08/2011 20:41
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I went today...crap turnout.
Shocking really. I went down in the car from Newcastle. £54 for 2 tickets, tenner petrol so £64 in total.

We played okay in the first half, and red faction were giving it the beans throughout.
Second half we totally outplayed Brum but I have to say the ref was nothing short of appalling. Some of his decisions (both ways) were just utterly bizarre. He has only refereed 3 championship games apparently having come through from the lower leagues and non-league. I can tell you he will be heading back there if he has any more shockers like that.

Onwards and upwards...looked solid though we do keep making it difficult for ourselves coming back from behind.

In Mogga we trust!

PS,,,I actually prefer this league....the riches of the Premiership don't interest me. I would like to go up, but proper fans in this league who follow their teams regardless.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/08/2011 20:49
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"Darlo, york etc is vastly over priced, not boro under priced."


not really, its the going rate.

coventry charge away fans £22
derby charge £28-£36
hartlepool charge £20-£25
stevenage charging hartlepool £21

i could go on,

think some fans are a bit out of touch with how much football costs and dont realise we are a decent price. and with all the goals and entertainment probably one of the best value teams around. but as we know we have no brazilian internationals to get the part timers along

Its disappointing that we get a bigger crowd for a meaningless friendly because a past it ex player turns up than a competitive game when we are playing so well for last 6 months.club could have charge £15-£20 for that friendly and they still would have got 20k+

OPEO Posted on 21/08/2011 21:10
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i don't give a monkeys how many turn up. Those that do are being treat to some fantastic football those that don't? tough.[:D]

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 21/08/2011 21:15
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Football is over priced. I stick by my comment. Barrow was £14 when i worked there 2 years ago. Really worth .£6-8

Space_Face Posted on 21/08/2011 21:16
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It's mainly people who don't go that whine like splitties about attendances.

Edwin Posted on 21/08/2011 21:17
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Fct of the matter is that most people reach an age where the club is no longer the be all and end all - and when they stop (& they've had good reason to over the past few seasons) its damned hard to entice them back.

Then, at the prices, their young 'replacements' often can't afford to go every week.

Doesn't mean you're a knob or that you should 'hang your head in shame' just because you don't go to a football match.

sasboro1 Posted on 21/08/2011 21:17
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how do you know its over priced? is every club over priced? what are you comparing it to? i guess it boils down to how much you really want to watch them. i wouldnt want to watch stevenage at £21 a go. but a stevenage fan would. i probably wouldnt watch a non boro match for £10 if given the opportunity.

OPEO Posted on 21/08/2011 21:20
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It's hyperoverpriced as regards inflation over the last 20 years.[sad]

Billyboystu Posted on 21/08/2011 21:21
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Stockton triathlon also on today. A couple of thousand doing it so a couple hundred lost tickets maybe. Also lots of People still on holiday or doing family stuff during summer hols. give it another month and I think we'll be getting over 20,000 easily.

leroy Posted on 21/08/2011 21:26
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I prefer it this way, ecent enough atmosphere in the ground....personally prefer it when the bandwaggon jumper on ers arent there

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 21/08/2011 21:28
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Its overpriced.

vuvuzelas Posted on 21/08/2011 21:44
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Gingerpig, I dont think anyone is complaining about people who have genuine reasons for not going to the games, eg. cant afford it, work commitments ect. but its amazing how many fans didnt have these problems and could manage to get to the games 5 or 10 years ago.

Tony Mowbray has worked miracles over the last year and I just wish the Teesside public would back him.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 22/08/2011 01:08
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Of course there were bigger crowds back then, Boro were in the Premier League and there were top players to see.

If you'd been going to the same chippy for 30 years then they started hiking up the prices and serving shyte would you still use it?


SplendidStuff Posted on 22/08/2011 01:23
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Chippies can be chosen, football teams can't be, not really a good comparison.


Besides have you seen the price of fish these days?

redwurzel Posted on 22/08/2011 01:24
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14K for the equivalent game last season so we were up over 20%

I think some decide to go to the first game, but not the second, The second home game of the season is often a relatively poor gate

rufus4 Posted on 22/08/2011 06:59
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Turn out may not have been what people exoected but that was the best atmosphere I have experienced since Mogga took over.Even the old ones in block 80 were shouting and applauding.UTB

MFC_Riverside Posted on 22/08/2011 09:36
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sas, it is overpriced. Stop going on about what other teams prices are ( for what it's worth, they are overpriced too ) and concentrate on us. Anything over £20 to watch us in The Championship is overpriced. I couldn't care less if Darlo charged £40. Going to watch Boro is overpriced. The valuation is what people are willing to pay. People aren't willing to pay our prices, therefore it's overpriced.

MightyDuck Posted on 22/08/2011 09:39
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how much were tickets between 1995-2000 when we pretty much sold out every game?

MFC_Riverside Posted on 22/08/2011 09:40
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That's because people were willing to pay, therfore not overpriced. If people are willing to pay it's not overpriced.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 09:47
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"sas, it is overpriced. Stop going on about what other teams prices are ( for what it's worth, they are overpriced too ) and concentrate on us. Anything over £20 to watch us in The Championship is overpriced. I couldn't care less if Darlo charged £40. Going to watch Boro is overpriced. The valuation is what people are willing to pay. People aren't willing to pay our prices, therefore it's overpriced."

so how is it over priced? what are you comparing it to if you cant compare it to otehr clubs. or do i have to ignore the other clubs because it makes our prices look good

BTW get a season ticket in the north stand and it works out £16 a game. why not share a season ticket?

yeah lets drop tickets down to £10(cheaper than conference prices) and have to sell more players and slip down the leagues. then the same people wil be complaining people that the club are lackign ambition so wont go.

how does the price compare to other live events? concerts,gigs, celebrity dinners?

MFC_Riverside Posted on 22/08/2011 09:50
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I've got a season ticket and agree it's a good price.

I'm comparing it to the price people will pay to go and watch. If you put a car on Ebay for £50,000 and it doesn't sell after a year, it's overpriced, right? If you sell tickets at £24 and noone goes, it's overpriced.


sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 09:53
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well if it was £10 a ticket we still wouldnt sell out and is that over priced?

back under rioch it was about £4 a ticket we got same crowds as now. but wasnt that supposed to be cheap?

problem is a lot of fans dont realise that we have very little tv money and have wages to pay. we can charge £10 if you want but then we would have to sell more players to pay bills and more chance of relegation.

people used 'lack of entertainment' as an excuse. last 6 months under mowbray is very entertaining and plenty of goals..so now it back to other excuses

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 09:55
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I told SAS there would be no big increase in attendence. As ever I was right.
Times are tough and even if you have a job on Teesside inflation is eating into your disposable income and something has to give.
For a lot of people Boro is not affordable anymore and it doesnt matter wahts happening with pricing at other clubs its about pricing here.

But SAS thinks everyone on Teesside drives a flash car and necks 10 pints a night [:o)]

MFC_Riverside Posted on 22/08/2011 09:59
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"problem is a lot of fans dont realise that we have very little tv money and have wages to pay. we can charge £10 if you want but then we would have to sell more players to pay bills and more chance of relegation."

We wouldn't sell out, no. But we would sell alot more than 3,000 on the day tickets.

Sas, even if we charge £20 for adults and £10 for kids and then do a deal like £40 for 2 adults and a kid then attendances would improve, atmosphere would and we wouldn't generate that much less income, if at all.




sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:05
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"Sas, even if we charge £20 for adults and £10 for kids and then do a deal like £40 for 2 adults and a kid then attendances would improve, atmosphere would and we wouldn't generate that much less income, if at all."

you not going to have that many more people coming really. people just not bothered. its not just about the money its about losing their saturday afternoon when they prefer to do other things. even if you halved the prices the attendances wont double. and offering deals this early in a promising season will do more long term damage. i mean why bother with a season ticket then?

the entertainment,goals and value for money is now there. ahs been for last 6 months(1 defeat in about 17 games) over 2 goals a games.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:06
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"I told SAS there would be no big increase in attendence. As ever I was right."


eerrr.. you said attendance would fall i said they would go up. they have gone up. get yourself along you might even enjoy the game and want to go back. when was teh last time you wen to a game? what price would tempt you back to go to every game? we are already 10% up on last season. that will increase if we continue playign well

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 10:06
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"people just not bothered. its not just about the money its about losing their saturday afternoon when they prefer to do other things."

Thats very insulting to those that can no longer aford to go. [V]


Errr I said some gains would be offset by more people who cannot afford to go which means no big change in attendence.

You said 20000 season tickets plus matchday [:o)]

MFC_Riverside Posted on 22/08/2011 10:08
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Attendances might not, no, but on the day ticket sales might double. We're only selling 3,000 on the day sales on a good day.


sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:09
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Midosparmo, so what price would get you to go back to every game? or will still not bother going?

bryan_munich Posted on 22/08/2011 10:09
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I told SAS there would be no big increase in attendence. As ever I was right.
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It's hardly prophetic.


For a lot of people Boro is not affordable anymore
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Do you actually have any evidence of this or are you just making wild assumptions?

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:10
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"Attendances might not, no, but on the day ticket sales might double. We're only selling 3,000 on the day sales on a good day. "

no they wont double on match day sales. its been tried in the past. unless juninho turns up again.

the club made less money.. dont you think the club would do it again if it had brought in more money.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 22/08/2011 10:12
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"no they wont double on match day sales"

How many more turned up for Fulham a few year a go? Pretty sure that doubled.

"dont you think the club would do it again if it had brought in more money."

No, they get moany emails of ST holders saying they feel ripped off.

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 10:14
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It would have to be the £5 I pay to watch Guisy [^]

We have a toddler,the wife works less hours, a house that needs doing up, cars that needed repairing.

We have less spare cash now then before and if we do it has to go away for a rainy day.

I live in the real world not cloud cuckoo land like Sas.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:15
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fulham was in the prem a while ago

last time they did it against coventry about 2 years ago it had no impact. club lost money on it, thats why they wont do it again. if it worked they would do it more often to bring in more money

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:16
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"It would have to be the £5 I pay to watch Guisy [^]

We have a toddler,the wife works less hours, a house that needs doing up, cars that needed repairing.

We have less spare cash now then before and if we do it has to go away for a rainy day.

I live in the real world not cloud cuckoo land like Sas."


see, you wouldnt even go anyway. are you not very good at maths. hwo the XXXXXX could boro survive on £5 a ticket? you are on a different planet. complain about prices and you still wouldnt go on a free ticket

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 10:17
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Im telling you why crowds have fallen and its not just like you say that people cant be arsed. You cheeky coont. [V]

bryan_munich Posted on 22/08/2011 10:18
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How about a cash turnstile for the walk-up punters? It seems to work for us at away games.


sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:20
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"Im telling you why crowds have fallen and its not just like you say that people cant be arsed. You cheeky coont. [V]"

crowds are up on last season 10% [:o)]

that will go up further if we carry on playing well.

so when was the last time you went to a boro game, if i had a free ticket would you go?

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 10:31
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Yeah Id go for free, though not if I had to sit next to you [^]

Ive been to a handful only since the kid was born. I never missed a game for 16 years previously. Curcumstances changed.

My point of argument with you is that you say people dont go because they cant be arsed but could afford to go.

Which is a totally false.

I agree some have returned bacuse the club is winning but the largest part of fall is due to the recession.

If thats not the case why dont we get crowds like the last riverside promotion season? Theres a team playing well with a real chance of promotion now.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:33
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"Yeah Id go for free, though not if I had to sit next to you [^]"

ofcourse you wouldnt have to sit next to me, you could sit where you want. but then you might find me ok and want to sit with me. tell you what, when we have a spare ticket, i'll let you know and you can have it. i'll let you know on here.

but seriously you should get yourself along at the moment. its pretty good now and a long way from when strachan was here. you might even enjoy the game and see why crowds are creeping back up

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 10:38
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I have a real urge to go. But I cant justify the expense.
We spend £30 on a weekend these days. But time with the kid is fantastic (she comes to guisy for free). So theres an element of truth in you saying I have found something better to do. [^]

MFC_Riverside Posted on 22/08/2011 10:39
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"but seriously you should get yourself along at the moment"

He can't afford it, sas. How many times does he have to say.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 10:42
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i used to pay a fiver the season robson was first in charge. :o)

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:43
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"I have a real urge to go. But I cant justify the expense.
We spend £30 on a weekend these days. But time with the kid is fantastic (she comes to guisy for free). So theres an element of truth in you saying I have found something better to do. [^]"

priorities change, don't have a problem with that. you want to spend the money (and time) on something else. more than likely you are doing things with your family on a saturday or sunday so wouldnt go regularly anyway. that's not meant to be a dig. its always been like that in football with people dropping away due to circumstances. our crowds under juninho was just temporary. new stadium and loads of fancy footballers and cup finals.etc

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 10:45
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Thats right SAS. People always move on.
Im just saying a large reason for the crowds being down is people just cant afford it.

Im not even saying the club can make it affordable either. But thats footballs problem for letting the wages get out of control.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 10:46
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sas once you have a toddler it isnt always a choice to spend money at weekends on the toddler or go to the match.

I think for a lot of people the priority is their kids.

Moggas_Mules Posted on 22/08/2011 10:47
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I think we need to drop match day prices closer to what a season ticket per game costs.

For example I would drop match tickets by a fiver to £22.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 10:52
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midoparmo, point i'm making is the club could half the prices and be in a worst position financially. last time they did a ticket deal the uptake was poor and the club made less revenue. if it was a success they would have done it since.

for many others they have lost interest and see other things as a priority. which i dont have a problem with. we saw 20k turn up for juninho on a friday night. how many of them havent been back since?


"For example I would drop match tickets by a fiver to £22."

some match tickets are £22.

surely those who would go to every game if it was £16 to get in would get a season ticket in the first place.

MightyDuck Posted on 22/08/2011 10:54
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there was a big queue at 2.55 round the back of the north stand, havent seen it like that for a while.

it will pick up, if they keep this up, people will start thinking they are getting value for money.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 10:56
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but the biggest issue is cost, with cuts being made and pay freezes and yet costs to watch football are still so high it doesnt add up.

some people may have other priorities now, but that may also be down to cost, people can no longer afford to fund the kids and go to the match so something has to give.

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 10:58
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If the price was £10 you would get 20,000 in the ground guarenteed, when the club is playing well.
£10 is a lot more affordable then 20 plus.
You say crowds didnt go up much when they offered cheap tickets before. But that was in dead games with nothing to play for. They would go up if the team is playing well and going for promotion.

Though quite possibly that would not be affordable to the club.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 11:02
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problem is if it is £10 a ticket then where does that leave season ticket holders? should they get a £200 refund? if that is the case then you would need over 30k to get about the same money as a 17600 crowd. it jsut wont happen

BoroAl Posted on 22/08/2011 11:04
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Yay firest ton post

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 11:04
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agreed it is the season ticket holders that have created this problem, as they always have to be considered when reducing the costs.

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 11:05
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You could certainly reduce prices to say a quid or two above season ticket prices. Season tickets holders are still better off and you would get more people in when the teams playing well.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 22/08/2011 11:05
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I guess what I'm meaning is that the full football structure is wrong. Wages are too high, fans are paying through the roof.

Football should be sustainable when fans are paying £15 for an adult match by match and £5 for a kid match by match. The fact it isn't doesn't make it right.

bear66 Posted on 22/08/2011 11:06
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MFC haven't maximised their income since the full-house glory days. Putting up prices at about 10% year on year has led to payback time.

I even decided not to queue for a coffee at half time when I saw it had gone up 11% to £2 since last year. So instead of making £1-60 profit, they tried to make £1-80 profit and made NOTHING. The same has happened with gate money over the last 10 years

Marvanelli Posted on 22/08/2011 11:10
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It's CTC's BoroAl[rle]

Or was that a mistake on your part CTC[;)]

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 11:11
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club will have been hit by rising energy prices. cant be cheap to run the riverside. wonder what the break even attendance is for it.


Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 11:12
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The fans have also been hit by rising energy prices.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 11:13
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they should have thought about that before they built such a big stadium for such a small area.

what an excuse to say the running costs are too high ffs

BoroAl Posted on 22/08/2011 11:13
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No,I said POST,not Thread.

bear66 Posted on 22/08/2011 11:15
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energy prices not an issue in the east stand where the hot water is cold. noticed it was hot in the west stand for the juninho match

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 11:18
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Invest the million from Bates on some solar panels up on the stadium. We would get a nice income from that. [^]

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 11:19
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"they should have thought about that before they built such a big stadium for such a small area.

yeah what a daft thing to do expand a stadium when it was a sell out with a waiting list[:o)]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 11:23
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they didnt expand a stadium they built a brand new one.

They should have been aware of potential risks i.e. not filling the stadium and the knock on added costs that would have when running such a big stadium compared to ayresome.

dont act so simple.

also when Robson first took over ayresome didnt fill to capacity week in week out as i remember just turning up for a match upon an evening and just getting in.


sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 11:25
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yeah should have built a 18000 capacity stadium instead

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 11:28
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As it turns out the corners are surplus to requirements and apart from a very rare big match in the future, will always reamin so.
I cannot forsee average crowds of over 30,000 again anytime soon.

gravyboat Posted on 22/08/2011 11:31
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I don't give a toss about the crowd size.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 11:35
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you can make a joke out of a serious point if you want.

But my point was clear, we werent filling ayresome week in week out when robson first took over so there must have been a risk attached to building a new stadium with a larger capacity.

You have helpfully pointed out some of the risks.

We can no longer offer £5 a ticket rates, in fact we cant offer a decent and fair price for a ticket, especially at a time when cost of living is already at a premium.

MightyDuck Posted on 22/08/2011 11:58
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cant believe people are critising the size of the ground. i remember petitions going round for it to have a none season ticket area as people couldnt get tickets.

if we keep playing like this, it will be seen as value for money and people will come back. if more people come to the match, more will follow then others will start worrying that they may not get a ticket and will start coming too. just like they used to

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 12:01
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"if we keep playing like this, it will be seen as value for money and people will come back. if more people come to the match, more will follow then others will start worrying that they may not get a ticket and will start coming too. just like they used to "


I doubt che club will ever sell out again. Time has moved on from those days.

But they still base the pricing on the days it did and make match day attendence costs too high.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 12:06
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its a nice luxury having a stadium that can sell out to 35,100 with further scope for it to be 42,000.

But it isnt fair that when the stadium isnt getting anywhere near that capacity its ok for the fans to still have to pay a premium price to go to a half full stadium.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 12:07
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how come we never had this obsession under rioch? rarely sold out then

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 12:11
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sas as you pointed out we now have a fecking big stadium to support and thats why the tickets have to be so expensive fans not turning up can easily be related to cost.

whereas at ayresome things were very different, i remember going to see Morenos debut in an anglo italian and it cost me £2.00.

our riverside stadium clearly costs this relatively small club too much.

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 12:12
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"how come we never had this obsession under rioch? rarely sold out then"

Pretty much every club had poor crowds in those days (apart from the really big which were not relevent to us).

People see the likes of Norwich selling out and wonder why we dont. But its just not possible to compare one club with another with so many diferent factors involved.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 12:18
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think norwich charged more than us last season. some tickets this season are £43 for the casual fan.

it goes in cycles. they are in their boom at the moment. same for brighton with a new stadium (charging £30)

MightyDuck Posted on 22/08/2011 12:18
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the running costs on a match day for our ground cant be much more than a new style 20k capacity stadium

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 12:30
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yes it goes in cycles so they are charging £43 now they are in the premier league, that is for a premium seat by the way.

That doesnt mean that when you are cost cutting and in the championship you can charge your fans a premium price aswell.

bill_door Posted on 22/08/2011 12:35
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If we go up this year the ticket prices will increase but strangely, people will find the money.

Saying that, I don't care that much, more people usually means more doyles talking shíte.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 12:37
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didnt our biggest crowd last season come from the game where we charged the most.

ccole Posted on 22/08/2011 12:40
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That was a schit turn out.[V]

Play well, local lads, local hero managing, great to watch, goals in every game we play, as cheap as anywhere in this division?


Lets face it, very few of those "loyal" fans that left us wont be coming back, unless we play TLF[rle][cr][sad]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/08/2011 12:43
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who was that against Sas?

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 12:45
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People might stump up a bit more for a one off game as a treat.
But if you want people going more often then the price is too high.

jam69 Posted on 22/08/2011 12:46
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headline in my paper this morning family finances worse than at any time in the last 20 years,is it any wonder people cant justify spending £80 for a family of four on an afternoons entertainment?
football is overpriced i dont see how anyone can think otherwise.
when i first started going it was the same as a trip to the pictures now its four times that.
yes boro need to compete with other teams but if they can afford to sell tickets to STH at £16 then surely they could make match day tickets £20 0r even £18,they would still be a good saving buying a season ticket.
two games in 6 days does not help either.
in my case i couldnt afford to spend a min of £76 on tickets this week for me and my daughter so missed sunday and going on saturday instead.
i cant see how the club can afford not to come up with some good priced offers to help tice people back,the team deserves to be backed its up to the club to make it affordable.
this week with two home games they colud have had a deal such as a ticket for both games £40,still well above STH price.

stugga Posted on 22/08/2011 13:03
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Annoys me also that so many fans are choosing to go to away games only, a mate of mine has said he only goes to the away games as the atmospheare is superb there and he hates the atmospheare at home, ffs i said your lining the oppositions pockets instead of the boro's


Ian_Bairds_Ears Posted on 22/08/2011 13:22
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people will attend when two things combine..

I,e when he entertainment matches the price..i,e value for money

For a few seasons the entertainment has not matched the price levels..even including Boros relatively cheap pricing policy.

However now people are starting to talk,the buzz is starting to happen and the price will seem ok because people are being entertained..

By the end of Winter we will be 20,000 plus without a doubt.

Mogga you are a legend...Never doubted you ...not for one f****** second....

Come on Boro!!!!

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bryan_munich Posted on 22/08/2011 13:27
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Saying that, I don't care that much, more people usually means more doyles talking shíte.
________
Maybe so but unfortunately their cash is as good as anyone else's and we need the cash to keep moving forward.

MightyDuck Posted on 22/08/2011 14:08
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i dont get it when people go on about how much it would costs 'to bring the family'.

i would say most people dont go to the match as a family, more a group of friends.

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 14:16
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"i dont get it when people go on about how much it would costs 'to bring the family'."

back under rioch no one brought their families when football was cheaper.

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 14:24
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The Boro decided to make it family friendly with Rory the lion and stewards to stop people swearing near the kiddies and lot of lovely merchandising for the kiddies.
But now a lot of families cant afford to go.

MightyDuck Posted on 22/08/2011 14:59
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there was a spell, when gladiators was on TV, that that was the case.

it hasnt been like that for ages now, just groups of mates and the odd parent and child.

it isnt a 'family day out', young kids get too bored.

ding_dang_boro Posted on 22/08/2011 15:19
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I taken my 5 year old as i had a spare ticket, he enjoyed it however the length of time was too much for him. He does want to come again and was even happily chanting come on boro, by midway in the second half he was asking when are we going home.

I thought the crowd looked more than what it was. All the west areas seem to be more people than what it was two seasons ago. I gave up my season ticket last year but bought one for this season. North and all east stands seem very low from where i sit in the s/w upper. (Apart from red faction area).

Midosparmo Posted on 22/08/2011 15:21
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Last season a lot of season ticket holders didnt bother turning up. So I expect it looked fuller because they did turn up!

MightyDuck Posted on 22/08/2011 15:27
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crowd was up 2k from the usual from last year

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 22/08/2011 17:31
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'yes boro need to compete with other teams but if they can afford to sell tickets to STH at £16 then surely they could make match day tickets £20 0r even £18,they would still be a good saving buying a season ticket'

Absolutely spot on. The club are making a balls of it.

kermit Posted on 22/08/2011 17:34
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Birmingham brought 600 fans to a weekend game?

That's pathetic!

sasboro1 Posted on 22/08/2011 17:45
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"
'yes boro need to compete with other teams but if they can afford to sell tickets to STH at £16 then surely they could make match day tickets £20 0r even £18,they would still be a good saving buying a season ticket'

Absolutely spot on. The club are making a balls of it."

here he comes the bloke who lives over in USA telling us all how boro are doing things wrong.[:D] these american armchair fans think they know everything. he is wasted over there, he should be working at mfc and telling gibson how best to run a football club [^]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 22/08/2011 19:16
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'here he comes the bloke who lives over in USA telling us all how boro are doing things wrong'

You don't have to be on the doorstep to read the ticket prices, you clown.

It's you and a the other knobs from elsewhere moaning about what Teessiders should be forking out for that's the problem.

woodymfc Posted on 22/08/2011 19:25
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Corcaigh

Its a waste of time attempting to debate with sas the brain of british football [:o)]

bear66 Posted on 22/08/2011 19:27
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Boro have been hit quite badly by much poorer away support than I recall 15 years back and certainly much less than the Premiership.

We're doing quite well with our away support as there are so many games with three hours drive; shame it's not reciprocated

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 22/08/2011 19:35
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£15-£18 a ticket,,,,,then put a further £ on that in burgers/beer/club shop/etc the extra suport would bring,,,,,the extra £ isnt coming from 17,000 [rle]iam no genius but its not rocket,,,,,,,,technolagy[cr]

slipshod Posted on 22/08/2011 19:38
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iam no genius

don't put yourself down rich[:D]

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 22/08/2011 19:42
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[:D][^][:D]

bill_door Posted on 22/08/2011 19:47
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If people moan about the ticket prices, are they XXXXXX going to pay £7.50 for a burger and pint.[ref]