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LTS_3 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:00
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Off yer bike


Link: Baton happy

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:03
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I'd be the same[^]

Supermac Posted on 10/08/2011 15:04
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[:D]the one that clatters lad on bike

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 10/08/2011 15:04
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[B)] [B)] [B)] [^]

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 10/08/2011 15:04
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Well that'll teach him to drive round with no lights on.

Take cycling proficiency very serious Gtr Manchester Police.

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swordtrombonefish Posted on 10/08/2011 15:05
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Get in there...more of that in round one and there would have been less spreading of scumbags in otehr cities.

duncanbannatyne Posted on 10/08/2011 15:05
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How did they know those guys on bikes were actually going to riot [xx(] ?

They could have been a couple of moshers on their way to a skate park.

japsterboro Posted on 10/08/2011 15:07
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I'd be swinging for the fences with my baton. In fact, if they come knocking, I'll gladly provide my services free of charge.[^]

Boro_Brick_Road Posted on 10/08/2011 15:08
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[:D] Heaton

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:12
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duncanbloodybannatyne...... there is always the people who say that what if..? and why? and there is no evidence etc...

and you are one of them.

I don't believe innocent people should be punished for something they haven't or haven't intended to do, but, these lads were out on the streets on bikes when the country is struggling to hold these louts at bay!! ffs

they shouldn't be 'playing' out on the streets if they didn't want to get involved.

I've had it with all the do-gooders...this situation needs strong forceful action. The scum shouldn't be on the streets of any English town/city and i also include the english who are involved.

bastartds the lot of em[:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 10/08/2011 15:14
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Bollox to that, by night 4, if your out on the streets at night, your fair game [^]

Innocent people would have known fair well to keep indoors.

duncanbannatyne Posted on 10/08/2011 15:15
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It was just the other day people on this board were dismissing the death sentence as ridiculous because England is a civilized country...


but itís perfectly civilized to charge at a couple of snot-nosed kids enjoying riding their bikes and bludgeon them with Trojans , jees [V]

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:16
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like other people have said...INNOCENT people will know to stay away for the time being!

And YES the DEATH PENALTY should be brought back[^]

PS. My son is 21 and i was concerned about him going into Middlesbrough to see some University friends. I was worried about him and he is a grown man....what parents would allow the younger teenagers out at that time on the streets of Manchester when they had already been warned of trouble brewing[:(!][:(!][:(!]

Supermac Posted on 10/08/2011 15:17
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feck off duncan they were fair game, clearly up to no good

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 10/08/2011 15:18
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I cant imagine the Trojans would be happy about that.

sfcboro Posted on 10/08/2011 15:19
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The 'Evidence' is in the description of the video.

'Taken at 10.15pm on August 9th, 2011, in Manchester. Tactical Aid Unit catch rioters trying to flee from the city centre, and blockade the street. The sound you can hear in the background is the helicopter overhead, which had been hovering around the area for about 10 minutes, tracking them with its spotlight.'

Awesome little clip if you ask me, loved it.

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:20
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Thank you Columbo [:D][^]

skiprat Posted on 10/08/2011 15:22
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You can see that it's a group they've been chasing as riot Police come from up that street later in the video.

I'm no Sherlock Holmes but I imagine a group of teenage cvnts on bikes, riding away from Police as they are weren't making cups of tea in Deansgate.

Boro-Bob Posted on 10/08/2011 15:24
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Pity they didn't give a bit of that when the looting was actually going on.

Midosparmo Posted on 10/08/2011 15:25
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[:D] a very enjoyable clip (in two senses of the word).

Lisbonlegend Posted on 10/08/2011 15:30
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I enjoyed that.[smi]

John67 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:34
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Unless those lads had been seen doing something then those officers are guilty of serious assault. They are there to protect not beat up because they were under as bit of stress caused by the rioting. If the Army had acted like that everytime there were riots in NI then there would have been tens of thousands killed.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 10/08/2011 15:35
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Dont spoil the moment John.

John67 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:36
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[:D]

Midosparmo Posted on 10/08/2011 15:39
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They were being chased by the police chopper which radioed the riot squad who lay in ambush.

Then KAPOW!!!

Bororeturn1 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:42
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Just found out from a mate in Manchester.....those lads where from `The Salford Cycle Awareness Club` & they were riding for their night time efficiency Certificates...........they got a bit more than that didnt they.....
P.s mate has just told me classes are down by 5 from the previous nights tally of 15...
what a shame.....

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 15:45
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As much as I like to see looters getting a kicking, this is one of the reasons the kids are causing bother in the 1st place. Were they guilty of doing anything other than being there at 10.15pm? Why wasn't the bloke walking his dog lashed with a baton in that case?

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:45
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Why are they kicking a young un who's prone on the ground? What threat is he posing exactly?

Midosparmo Posted on 10/08/2011 15:46
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Here come the bleeding hearts. Wah [cr]

oooooo Posted on 10/08/2011 15:47
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How close was that bloke pushing his bike to getting smashed?

Midosparmo Posted on 10/08/2011 15:49
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The cops started running before they saw the bikes so they were clearly radiod by the chopper.

Guilty little scrotes get a wack. Excellent [^]

Barnsy Posted on 10/08/2011 15:50
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Kids: Play with fire there is a good chance you will get burnt.

blindschool Posted on 10/08/2011 15:52
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'Why are they kicking a young un who's prone on the ground? What threat is he posing exactly?'

Who cares? He's less likely now to think it's a good idea to go down the city centre looting and pillaging.

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 15:53
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Mido, they may have been guilty of an offence but my point is, from the video we just don't know

Bororeturn1 Posted on 10/08/2011 15:53
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In all seriousness they are young lads on bikes at night riding through a riot Zone, they should be F8%king bashed, they shouldnt be out at that time, they shouldnt be out in that area full stop....
Back to yesterdays discussions, their parents should be watching them & warning them not to be so stupid.....if my son came home & said id had a wallop off a truncheon for riding through the riots then id wallop him again & make sure he`d learnt his lesson.

atkingson Posted on 10/08/2011 15:54
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'Kids: Play with fire there is a good chance you will get burnt.'

I wonder if the police said that to the innocent guy they shot - which ,actually, started this whole mess.

Midosparmo Posted on 10/08/2011 15:56
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The point is the cops didnt just wack them because they saw them. As they clearly couldnt see them when the started running. They must have been informed by someone else who had seen them up to mischief.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/08/2011 15:59
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Innocent of what?

atkingson Posted on 10/08/2011 16:00
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The guy they shot was supposedly in possesion of a gun so they shot him, it turns out the guy never even had a gun in the first place/

Midosparmo Posted on 10/08/2011 16:01
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Thats funny as the police complaints were talking about the gun they found on him last night.

Bororeturn1 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:04
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when the riots happened in New Orleans a few years back, looting & rioting was rife. They got the Home Guard in & basically to stop the looting they were given a `shoot on site` policy. Basically anyone nicking would be shot, killed in need be, but there where only a few `killings` from this action. so a bit extreme for this country I know but as I mentioned on yesterdays thread, riot areas have a curfew by 9pm anyone out gets arrested, whacked whatever & anyone caught looting gets shot at....maybe with plastic bullets.....because that would be the next thing, some scumbag parents screaming & crying that Delroy was only in J.D. Sports trying on some new trainers & the 8 boxes of Adidas he was carrying where his from shopping earlier that day.......plus he had a scalf round his face cos he had a cold...........makes my blood boil it does.....[:(]

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 16:06
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God shut up extra G. your ruining my case :) so should the bloke walking his dog not be stopped for being in a riot zone? I'd still like to know what the scrotes had done before the video

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:06
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Bororeturn1....

I like it [:D][^]

Midosparmo Posted on 10/08/2011 16:08
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"I'd still like to know what the scrotes had done before the video "

Thats for the courts to decide. Clearly someone probably in the chopper had seen them up to something and told the riot squd to ambush them.


Torino Posted on 10/08/2011 16:09
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The guy they shot was supposedly in possesion of a gun so they shot him, it turns out the guy never even had a gun in the first place/
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Yet again extra g commenting on something he does not have a clue about [:o)]

Bororeturn1 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:11
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love you too Stevie-g888

you still carrying out your charity work for the kids hospice [;)]

lol

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 16:12
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Make your mind up Mido, is it for the courts to decide or for the riot police to decide they are guilty and dish out the 'punishment'?

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:14
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ManFriday.... it is none of YOUR business what the lads had done. The Police were obviously given information that led to them being confronted.

The events that led up to that (if all the rioting and everything else that goes with it isn't enough) were seen by the other members of the Police Force and they, I assume, had informed other members of the Police. Communication is a wonderful thing y'know.

If they were arrested, then the courts will decide if they are guilty of anything.

It reminds me of when i was a kid and if we had done anything wrong or was cheeky, the local bobby would give us a clip and threaten to tell our parents. You would never do it again, but now there are TOO MANY people who cry 'human rights' to hide behind.

The yobs all need a bloody good shake, and if the police are to do it...then I say let them. It is because we have taken so much power away from the police that the younger generation do not have ANY respect for them!!!!

Midosparmo Posted on 10/08/2011 16:16
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"Make your mind up Mido, is it for the courts to decide or for the riot police to decide they are guilty and dish out the 'punishment'?"

They clearly thought they had a duty to apprehend the scrotes.

The courts will decide if they were right to do so.

Cant you understand that? [:o)]

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 16:23
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none of my business, a member of the public who they are paid to protect? Of course It's my business and everybody's business.
What part of apprehending a scrote involves kicking him whilst on the floor?
My take on the video is that the kids crapped themselves when they seen the police running so tried to ride off and got chased down.
I've been saying for days I can't wait to see looters getting hit by rubber bullets, this video just made me feel a bit queesy.
The same people defending it on here will be complaining of police heavy handedness during the football season

JLinardi Posted on 10/08/2011 16:23
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I see nothing at all wrong with it, do gooding doyles who moan about police when they see stuff like this do my head in. No wonder the streets got completely taken over with their stupid softley softley approach trying to keep these human right, pc brigade doyles happy.

These guys they are batting have probably just had a hand in destroying someones shop, business and lively hood. Let them have everything they phucking got I say. If these softly softly doyles got a bike nicked from their shed im sure wed soon here them moaning that the police didnt turn up within 5 seconds with their dogs ready to go and 'get them'.

This country needs to get its phucking b0ll0cks back and quickly.

Bororeturn1 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:25
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Hear hear, Stevie (& not because of praise earlier) but your right, a police man years ago had power, & you respected them. Not now, the Police are seen as `security guards` not enforcers of the law!!!! when i was a kid I was playing `soldier` like you do & there was a B.T. box, one of the lads I was with pretended it was some german tank so he pretended to hit it with a stick he had, next thing a Police car pulls up, me & my 2 mates S*%t ourselves...the Officer took our names & addresses, I went home & crapped myself for a week in case there was a knock on the door........my dad would have kicked my arse up & down our street several times...

Ishmael Posted on 10/08/2011 16:29
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According to the fella that took the video no arrests were made. Which is curious at least

Gillandi Posted on 10/08/2011 16:31
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"They clearly thought they had a duty to apprehend the scrotes."

They clearly felt they had a duty to kick, knee and beat one of them with their baton's too. The information they had must have been very serious on that particular individual otherwise thats excessive force in any policemans compliance handbook. No arrests yet. Which isn't consistant with that force.

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 16:34
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let the courts decide.....
oh, no arrests....

the_dude_abides Posted on 10/08/2011 16:34
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why do people enjoy violence so much


if i was one of those lads on the bike i would be putting in a complaint to the ipcc, the police just ran at him and give him a right beating


Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 10/08/2011 16:38
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'It reminds me of when i was a kid and if we had done anything wrong or was cheeky, the local bobby would give us a clip and threaten to tell our parents. You would never do it again, but now there are TOO MANY people who cry 'human rights' to hide behind.'

I'm in my mid 50's and that hasn't happened in my lifetime. How old are you?

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:41
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ManFriday....

watching the video, i also thought that nobody had been arrested, but it will make them think twice about what they do in future. They were chased for a reason and they got caught up with.

If kids have to grow up in fear of police, then so be it, if it restores some order to our fast self-destructing country.

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:42
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I'm just over 50 Corcaigh

Bororeturn1 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:42
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Firstly Dude, the people involved probably dont know how to spell Police, let alone complain to the IPCC, also its not about enjoying the violence, but sometimes its the only action these people will understand. I believe in different gauges of physical punishment, but extreme situations call for extreme measures...

JLinardi Posted on 10/08/2011 16:44
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Well I cant believe people are defending the 'victim'.

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 16:45
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do you beat your kids at home to make sure they think twice about being naughty in the future?
would you take a baton whack at the match to make sure you behaved for the rest of the season?
If you listen to the scrotes for a few minutes, one of their biggest gripes is police intimidation, this hardly helps does it

borovale Posted on 10/08/2011 16:46
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dude - your just whats wrong with this country - complain at anything - if you put yourself in that situation then you deserve a slap -

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:47
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Yawn....... (to ManFriday)

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 16:48
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borovale, why didn't the bloke walking his dog get a slap?

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 16:50
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yawn? ah the classic 'you have a point but I can't come up with a decent counter arguement' response

borovale Posted on 10/08/2011 16:50
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cos it was a police dog

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:50
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One thing that has come out of this thread, is it does just show how difficult it is to resolve these issues when there are varying views on how to deal with it[sad]

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 16:54
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ManFriday, next you'll be saying that these yobs, thieves, arsonists and terrorists (cos they are terrorising the country) shouldn't be locked up because it would do more harm than good to them, and that it is not the answer...ffs[:(!]

PS. We must remember that God loves all of His dear little children [rle]

Torino Posted on 10/08/2011 16:55
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borovale, why didn't the bloke walking his dog get a slap?
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Because he was not running away from police because he had not done anything wrong. Its obvious to me these were fleeing police and then happened to bump in to these other ones (police come from the same direction as what they did at the end of the video which suggests they were chasing them before)

JLinardi Posted on 10/08/2011 16:56
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ManFriday, you dont have a point though. Its a bad example and comparison of situations.

If a bunch of rioters came through your door, would you sit there and think oh id better not do anything because it would be unfair??

Or would you moan that there are no police there to help you?

Would you feel the same about what that copper was doing if the guy he was batting had just done over your business?

Its easy for you sitting there detatched from the situation make judgements about what that copper should and shouldnt be doing, but your opinions would be completely different had you been involved somehow. Get off your high horse, get real and grow some balls.

the_dude_abides Posted on 10/08/2011 16:56
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so you can tell from a video that a lad riding a bike, that he is uneducated and cannot spell police, and that he simply deserved to get battered


is this based on assumption from yourself , or an ridiculous trust of the police force that anything they do simply has to be for the benefit of society

your rigfht of course, riding a bike really is a serious offence and he deserved his extreme beating

XXXXXXing doyle



JLinardi Posted on 10/08/2011 17:00
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When there is violence going on everywhere around them, why would a bunch of coppers, track and chase a group if they had done nothing? Obviously they must have participated in something.

Ishmael Posted on 10/08/2011 17:01
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...and then arrested?

Old_Gregg Posted on 10/08/2011 17:02
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"And YES the DEATH PENALTY should be brought back[^]"

We had the death penalty argument last week mate; the pro-death nutters lost.


the_dude_abides Posted on 10/08/2011 17:09
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it has nothing to do with it, the lad got off his bike on obviously yielded, it didnt stop the big brave coppa smashing his face in with a baton several times

and he done it with so much relish, you could tell he loved it

he was just a fanny in his comfort zone

i don't know whats worse, a lad riding a bike or a policeman smashing somebodies face in, well i do, its just nobody else does


crowborough81 Posted on 10/08/2011 17:11
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that wasnt a kicking for crying out loud,copper get off yer bike, cant make me init, thump fcuking carn a

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 10/08/2011 17:13
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"you could tell he loved it"

yeh his face like this -> [:D] under his riot helmet gave it away [rle]


myboro Posted on 10/08/2011 17:15
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Would you feel the same about what that copper was doing if the guy he was batting had just done over your business?

Problem is the Police are not supposed to assault people, they can respond if attacked or use reasonablew force if a person resists.

Clip just shows police beating up kids and this thread has people thinking it is right.
Sad.

goalscrounger Posted on 10/08/2011 17:21
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That was like a scene out of E.T - The Director's Cut (if the director was Mike Tyson). Poor E.T [|)]

Boro_exiled_in_Macc Posted on 10/08/2011 17:27
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all kicking off again in the City

Arndale centre closed early

agencies that I work with advised to leave at 4.30pm

not a good sign [V]

Gillandi Posted on 10/08/2011 17:35
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goalscrounger [:D]

funny you should say that coz there's a new picture of one of the cyclists who wasn't arrested


Link: strange

the_dude_abides Posted on 10/08/2011 17:35
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'Would you feel the same about what that copper was doing if the guy he was batting had just done over your business?'

another example of a pointless theoretical argument

are you saying the lad riding off on a bike has done this

do you know for an absolute fact that he has done anything at all apart from ride with his mates under peer pressure

we can't justify the actions of an organization in a society by simply dreaming up scenarios as an excuse

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 17:35
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with the dude ;)
There is nothing to suggest the bikers deserved bring kicked on the floor and the fact that they wernt even arrested backs that up. Over the top, simple

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/08/2011 17:43
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"There is nothing to suggest the bikers deserved bring kicked on the floor and the fact that they wernt even arrested backs that up"

There's nothing to suggest they didn't either, if you know what I mean. I'm not sure you can determine whether they were arrested either.

In any event it does appear on face value to be OTT, but without knowing the context none of us can give an informed opinion really.

Nice_Haas Posted on 10/08/2011 17:49
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FFS [rle]

Has anyone bothered to read what the maker of the video said below the video

'Tactical Aid Unit catch rioters trying to flee from the city centre, and blockade the street. The sound you can hear in the background is the helicopter overhead, which had been hovering around the area for about 10 minutes, tracking them with its spotlight.'

They deserved the beating. Fcuking do-gooders [:(!]

susy Posted on 10/08/2011 17:50
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This has got out of hand. The police have to bring law and order back. The prisons are full so if these kids are sent to court they will get a serious telling off and possibly a bit of community service. This is NOT justice for the lives they risk and for the lives they ruin. There is NO excuse for these rioters. The people in the video clip have been followed from the riots by a helicopter, there is no doubt that these people have been involved. The police have acted and dished out a heavy beating. If you were a lad who had got a bit carried away and have partaken in a damage spree with your mates then cycled away.. if you got caught and were beaten up AS A CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR ACTIONS would you ever do it again? I wouldnt, but what will happen is their parents will think... great compo on its way and go for the police involved. Well my voting voice says back the police to the hilt on this one!

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 17:54
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Susy, when we let our police act as judge and executioner then we need to start worrying. Jonny Ingbar, I guess that has been my point from the start

susy Posted on 10/08/2011 17:59
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This is a rapidly changing and escalating situation that needs to be brought to a swift close. The police do not have the resources to store these criminals. Give them a kicking and they wont return too quickly. Simple but effective.

StanisStan Posted on 10/08/2011 18:00
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There is also the chance that just before that clip was taken they had looted those bikes.

If innocent, why did they run?

More of that please!

stevestrange Posted on 10/08/2011 18:16
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i havent watched this clip but fromt he comments it sounds like unacceptabel policing to me

im one of the least bleeding heart liberals i know but unless the police have actually caught or positively I.D'd these kids engaging in SIGNIFICANT criminal activity then there is no justification for batonning them round the head at all

what if one of the lads had died? the poice wont ever learn their lesson will they?

i can understand they are frustrated but going after soft targets like this is not the way to sort this disorder

usual shameful bully boy police tactics

get into the real perps with complete wanton abandon for me but not these kids

stop and think if it was your son, as mad as you'd be at them for putting themselves in this position, would you really accept the police's response as proportionate and legitimate?

no chance[V]

susy Posted on 10/08/2011 18:44
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Stevestrange you wrote "stop and think if it was your son, as mad as you'd be at them for putting themselves in this position, would you really accept the police's response as proportionate and legitimate?

no chance"

Actually if my son came home black and blue and I found out he had been damaging property, rioting and or looting then I would be very happy with the police. If he was brain damaged or dead then no I wouldnt. It depends on the severity of the police attack.

Fearless_Fish Posted on 10/08/2011 18:52
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Actually if my son came home black and blue and found out he'd been beaten by police for riding his bike - I don't think the response would have been proportionate and legitimate.

If there's evidence of them being involved in illegal activity they should be arrested and charged. If not then they should be left alone. That is all.

the_dude_abides Posted on 10/08/2011 18:59
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i really don't understand why the police felt that this video needed to be seen by the general public

all is does is antagonise and incite people even more

why show it, sure, one or 2 morons love to see violence, there are plenty on here, but for me all it does is weaken there stance and provoke more agression

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/08/2011 19:12
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If it was my son he wouldn't have been riding about the streets at that time of night knowing full well there' riots kicking off.

We just have a shameless generation, they don't give a f**k.

We're the laughing stock of the world. We have to broadcast national calls for parents to bring in their own kids.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/08/2011 19:13
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"i really don't understand why the police felt that this video needed to be seen by the general public"

Are you trying to say the police posted this on youtube?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/08/2011 19:40
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Used to live round there.. funny as.

1st_time_caller Posted on 10/08/2011 19:42
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"We have to broadcast national calls for parents to bring in their own kids"

how true. as a kid my dad used to whistle from the back door, that was enough to get me in and put my bike back in the garage. didn't live in a big city like, but still, different world now

stevestrange Posted on 10/08/2011 19:44
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susy

my point was that in the apparent absence of evidence they were doing aything of the sort then any good parent would not be happy

and id even go as far as to say even if they did put a shop window in i still wouldnt be happy if he came home black and blue because despite what the police think its not their job/right/place to be rendering anyone black and blue unless i suppose they were under direct physical threat themselves then fair game

im not sure id like you for a mam

susy Posted on 10/08/2011 20:44
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The police helicopter had been following those lads on bikes for at least 10 minutes with its spotlight. With so much going on in the city I doubt very much if those lads are innocent. People have died in these riots, the police have to put a stop to it. More people will die if they dont.

As for casting aspersions on my parenting, i doubt if the lads who have been beaten would have liked me as a mam either ... however they would never have been there in the first place. I protect my kids from harm by making them realise there are consequences for their actions, they get love and advice from me. I am a parent who is against smacking as it only breeds violence and disrespect in my opinion. You will now call me a hypocryte.. im not, these are kids who know right from wrong and are suffering the consequences now.

stevestrange Posted on 10/08/2011 21:03
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im not catsing aspersions on you're parenting, dont be so sensitive it was a tongue in cheek statement

having said that, i dont think the fact that you "doubt very much those lads are innocent" is sufficient evidence to merit the summary justice meted out by the police

i wasnt aware people were killed in the vicinity of this incident, not that taht would justify it either

what the police did simply cannot be condoned

i'd suggest if the police helicopter could be put to better use if all it had to do was follow a few lads on nikes for ten minutes with everything else that was going on

if you can condone this what else do you give the police licence to do

you better believe the police would come after you big style if you took a truncheon to a passer by's head with similarly flimsy justification

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/08/2011 21:07
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What do you suggest the police do steve?

A knitting circle perhaps?

People have been killed in the violence now, if these idiots think the police are going to smack them like that it might save a few.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/08/2011 21:11
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Steve; strange sense of perspective you have.

susy Posted on 10/08/2011 21:12
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I would hope that they would! I do see the point you are making about the police beating kids up with no proof. I do agree with you in many many ways, it just I have seen loads of violence and people hurt and their livelihoods ruined by these people and am fully aware that many of the people causing the harm will not get any punishment what so ever so when a few yobs get theirs it makes me feel that at least some others may well be prevented from going out and destroying and stealing.

stevestrange Posted on 10/08/2011 21:15
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um they could do their job within the limits of the laws they are employed to uphold

otherwise they are no better than the mob

chicken sh1t policing at it's best/worst

no problem with them getting free and easy with the baton twirling if the situation calls for it

i just dont think this particular instance did

what would your reaction have been if the lad had come off his bike smacked his head and died?

would it have still been ok?


redisameancolour Posted on 10/08/2011 21:17
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Lets just tell them off for being such naughty boys then........ Tut Tut how dare they riot and loot etc etc...... Now go home and dont do it again







FFS

redisameancolour Posted on 10/08/2011 21:22
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Steve are you a Looter by any chance ? You foookin should be ya thick bastad



stevestrange Posted on 10/08/2011 21:23
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two wrongs dont make a right susy

i totally agree with your sentiments about people and their property and would endorse anyone defending the same by any means necessary

it just seems that this is ok because people have seen bad things happening in completely different parts of the country

so because genuine looters and rioters are getting away with it scot free in london some kind of redress is achieved by tw4tting lads on bikes in manchester

now THAT is a strange perspective

ingbars first law on riot policing: every action has an unequal and unrelated reaction

eureka and that

redisameancolour Posted on 10/08/2011 21:28
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Is there contradictions in your reply there in a round about sort of way ?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/08/2011 21:29
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stevestrange If you really believe a non violent none confrontational way will work, drive yourself down and show the police how its done.

Seriously, if it's that easy to stop it just show us all.

If it's a case of leaving it alone, what kind of world are you advocating?

And the riots have been happening in Manchester too... these kids were tracked by the police, how do you think the police saw them round the corner, magic?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/08/2011 21:30
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How do you know they aren't looters? You have no idea of the context to the footage, but seem to be making a lot of assumptions about it. Yes, they probably have gone over the top, but you're acting like they are a groupe of harmless, innocent kids who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time - in reality you haven't the faintest idea what preceded the clip.

And hence the problem is solved (and all that)

stevestrange Posted on 10/08/2011 21:37
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but you do?

may i be so bold as to intriduce you to the concept of inncoent until proven guilty?

why does everything ahve to be polarised? just because i dont believe they are petrol bomb lobbing nutters doesnt mean to say i think they're boy scouts, it's just that no matter how you dress it up or down there is no jsutification for the police actions here and i doubt if there is anything in the big book of policing that says it's ok and within the law to do it?

why is that so ahrd for you to understand?

are you privy to footage of what went on before? no? so you dont know the context either but somehow feel free to make assumptions yourself

people are leting their frustrations and fears get the better of them and when that happens it's a very slippery slope

do try and hold your nerve johnny you're souding like a wobbler

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/08/2011 21:44
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You've just made the same point I have!

At least try and be consistent in your contradictions [;)]

redisameancolour Posted on 10/08/2011 21:45
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Innocent until proven guilty ? Is that your perception of how the law works ?? I think you may find that is'nt the case

TheSmogMonster Posted on 10/08/2011 21:50
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So how did the coppers know they were coming Steve?

stevie-g888 Posted on 10/08/2011 21:51
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steve is DEFINITELY 'strange' [:o)]

atkingson Posted on 10/08/2011 21:54
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That video was so upsetting [cr]



Why didn't they hit the other lad,on a bike, as well ?

Extra G
[:P][:P][^]

boro74 Posted on 10/08/2011 22:10
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I think some people are missing the point. That lad got off his bike and surrendered. He took about a dozen bangs on the head and a kick in the ribs from 2 policemen even though he did not attempt to attack them.
It doesn't matter if he is innocent or guilty of anything. It doesn't matter if you think he deserves it or not.
Policemen aren't allowed to do that in this country. It's against the law.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/08/2011 22:22
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I think some people, it seems to me, realise that and quite simply couldn't give a foook.

Bren_MFC Posted on 10/08/2011 22:35
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none of those police officers were in danger there, there are times and places to be heavy handed but that didn't appear to be one...

skiprat Posted on 10/08/2011 22:53
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It's far too simplistic to just look at that video and call it either way really. There is no context to how the lads have ended up in the situation or how the Police have managed to get to that corner.

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 23:18
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It's good to see this is still going and is 50 - 50 either way. I can only judge from what I see in the video. The lads on bikes don't look to be running away in any sort of hurry. The 1st kid gets knocked flying and ends up in the middle of what looks a busy road. The kid on the floor is not fighting back but still gets a shoeing (i absolutely detest cowards who kick people on the floor). The lads don't get arrested so what was their crime?
I know they were probably no angels being out at that time in a riot zone but nobody can tell me their crime.
I think some people are letting their overall hatred of looters cloud their judgement on this incident. Like I say, if this happened at a football match during trouble, everyone would be up in arms about the heavyhanded policing

Buddy Posted on 10/08/2011 23:24
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I think everyone's missing a trick here. Have a look at the first lad to get to the junction when he sees the police: he takes off like Mark fking Cavendish. [:D]

Buddy Posted on 10/08/2011 23:28
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Oh - and what Manfriday said.

dodger Posted on 10/08/2011 23:32
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My take on it :

Large numbers looting , cops in armour do fcuk all.

One kid on his own , cops in armour steam in and batter him.

Our brave heroes.

Manfriday Posted on 10/08/2011 23:34
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if I was cycling up to a junction and a group of riot police came running at me like that, is be off faster than cavendish after shiiting my pants..... and I'm innocent ;)

The_same_as_before Posted on 11/08/2011 00:07
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Maybe the lads were coming home after giving soup to the homeless.

stevestrange Posted on 11/08/2011 06:44
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boro74 and bren have got it[^]

some of the others never will[V]

seem happy to condone one law for the public one law for the police

so innocent until proven guilty isn't the basis of our legal system or at least one of the fundamental principles??

Kevlar Posted on 11/08/2011 07:17
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It doesn't matter what they have or haven't done(the video proves neither the former or the later), the police aren't allowed to assault and batter people. Reasonable force. I think the comment above is right, if there is any chance of danger the police want nothing to do with it, when they are bigger and outnumber the 'enemy', they wade in and spend the rest of the week regaling their friends and family with their brave tales.

Seen it at football matches hundreds of times.

One of the most sickening outcomes of these riots has not been a few looters making off with TVs and trainers, but the response from the regular sections of society. Bring in tanks, the army, rubber bullets, give them all 10 years...It seems most of you want these English citizens crushed without consequence.
The government are going to have an easy time bringing in new laws to break up protests and gatherings, and to cut back on our rights even further.

scuzzmonster1 Posted on 11/08/2011 07:22
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Strange that elf_unit, our very own favourite Mancunian cyclist, has yet to reply on this thread? I'm guessing the victim on the video was him?

keelo Posted on 11/08/2011 07:28
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.It seems most of you want these English citizens crushed without consequence.

Better than English CITIES being crushed without consequence......

Kevlar Posted on 11/08/2011 07:32
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Keelo, that depends, how long does it take to build a city? How long did it take to shape our civil liberties?

I agree that this needs to be stopped, and then it's root causes addressed. However, giving the police and government carte blanche to be bigger, badder criminals than the criminals themselves is a step backwards.

Ilsan_Boro Posted on 11/08/2011 07:35
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I can't deny that part of me is fairly sure that these lads deserved a kicking and got some enjoyment out of watching that, BUT....

I'm nevertheless in agreement with boro74, bren and manfriday etal. Their guilt or innocence or my and anyone else's anger with them isn't the point. The point is that the law of the land says the police should arrest them and only use whatever force is necessary to execute their duty. They may well have arrested them, but it also seems clear they've used way more force than they needed to here.

Some folk are saying 'well, at least they'll think twice about causing trouble next time'. Sorry, but I reckon that might well have been true 20-30 years ago but it just doesn't work like that any more.

Years ago you could, in a position of authority, give a kid a clip round the ear and it would have the desired effect in both the short and long term. But if you do it nowadays, they're more likely to fire back with "I'll have you sued/sacked/disciplined/whatever for that" and there be something in what they're saying.

I'm all for cracking down on these idiots, but it's got to be done properly.

zzzzz Posted on 11/08/2011 07:41
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Bang on that clip. The police talked to the other guy walking his bike and left him alone, probably because the helicopter told them he was innocent.

That to me suggests the other scrotes on the bikes got what they deserved.

I'd commission one of those big fcuk off prison ships and put all of those convicted of rioting in there for 3 years. [^]

People might think twice before kicking off next time.

Grrreds Posted on 11/08/2011 08:45
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In a funny sort of a way these riots might be just what has been needed in this country. A week ago that would have been called police brutality now it's seen as justified and not fannying about.

Perhaps all the "do-gooders" will now see that mamby pamby UK is a recipe for disaster.

Manfriday Posted on 11/08/2011 09:34
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greds, that's until a riot copper in full gear knocks you flying off your bike and kicks you whilst on the floor for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Zzzzzzz you can suggest crimes and scenarios all you like but we can only judge from what we can see on the video

north_east_invader Posted on 11/08/2011 09:49
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The fact there seems to have been no arrest says it all. If there was cause or evidence then an arrest would have been made. As there apparently wasn't, there is NO cause. The police have every right to use reasonable force to disarm, subdue, restrain etc but not on anybody they just feel like it. The whole argument just falls away on the grounds that no arrest was made. Sorry but it does. FACT.

Kevlar Posted on 11/08/2011 11:11
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It's basically some large policemen, beating up a couple of small children.

Even if they had been looting, the lad stopped on his bike and gave up. He was then hit with the billy club about 4 or 5 times and got a couple of kicks.


estuardo Posted on 11/08/2011 11:32
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I love this one.. The kid in the middle thought he could just say "OK, you got me" and get away with it. The coppers say, not so easy you little scrote and give him a thumping..

I don't care if it's police brutality or not, for this week only there's an unofficial curfew and they can do what they want to anyone suspicious.

I think the vast majority of the country wants revenge for what these people have done, so the cops get free reign. If any cops are charged with assault there'd be an outcry.

Give 'em a beating I say.

Kevlar Posted on 11/08/2011 11:55
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No. You are not allowed to assault people in this country. It's against the law.

LTS_3 Posted on 11/08/2011 11:56
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140 - my biggest thread ever [8D]