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r00fie Posted on 24/07/2011 22:32
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

91 dead kids.Need we say more.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 22:36
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

The Norwegians are a bit more grown up about it than we are.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 22:38
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Execution is too easy, he needs to be slowly tortured.

degsyspesh Posted on 24/07/2011 22:39
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Apparently the longest sentence he can get under Norwegian law is 21 years.[|)]

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 22:39
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

More grown up than that as well.

They won't throw away their country's beliefs in the futile pursuit of revenge.

We can learn a lot more from the Norwegians than we can from Texas or Saudi Arabia.

lapennabianca Posted on 24/07/2011 22:40
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Well said flaps. Torture, Lisbon? Seriously?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 22:40
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Flaps, you are a bell end.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/07/2011 22:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

flaps - Absolutely spot on. [^]

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 22:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Thanks for proving my point.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 22:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Yes, seriously.

mooghead Posted on 24/07/2011 22:43
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

More death in the name of 'god'

Christians/muslims.... if you are devoted enough to fictional characters you are a loony...


[:o)]

lapennabianca Posted on 24/07/2011 22:43
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

What purpose does torture serve other than prove you're as vindictive and cruel as him? It has no value other than to debase its perpetrators.

Red_Matter Posted on 24/07/2011 22:45
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Noway

paulmboro Posted on 24/07/2011 22:45
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Lisbon - you need to quit the diet, you're getting cranky ya fat get.

wiggler Posted on 24/07/2011 22:46
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Sorry been away for a few days but i thought this was political not religous

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 22:46
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

In Lisbon's defence I don't think he's got over me embarrassing him in his thread about The Fighter.

oooooo Posted on 24/07/2011 22:54
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

He'll never ever be released. The 21 years thing is a part-truth.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:02
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

So if some bloke had just murdered your children you'd be patting him on the back.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/07/2011 23:04
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

There is a difference between not advocating the death-penalty/torture being used as a means of punishment and 'patting someone on the back' though isn't there.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:06
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

What's so grown up about not advocating torture or execution?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:09
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

The scumbag systematically executed 91 kids, he deserves to pay.

Space_Face Posted on 24/07/2011 23:12
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I'm pretty sure there will be many thousands of Norwegian people wishing him a pretty bad fate.

lapennabianca Posted on 24/07/2011 23:14
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

He will pay, he'll be imprisoned for the rest of his life and he'll survive to see the norwegian people reject and ridicule his disgusting politics that led to his disgusting actions.

What's grown up about not advocating torture and execution is the belief that by inflicting physical pain upon somebody else, in this case solely as punishment, is pointless and vindictive. Killing/torturing somebody can't erase what they've done, it'll only make those who do the torturing more like the criminal.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/07/2011 23:17
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

He will pay for it. He will be removed from society. Probably for the rest of his life.

A civilised society doesn't resort to death/torture in order to punish criminals. A civilised society is bigger and better than that. Why stoop to the level of the criminal(s)?

The death-penalty, as a means of punishment, doesn't work by the way.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:18
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

That's just another point of view, it's not grown up at all. Flaps was going on like he's some superior being and people should all think the same way as him/her. People are entitled to their own beliefs about what should happen to him, that doesn't make them juvenile just because they don't agree.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:20
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Death penalty doesn't work as means of a punishment? Why, do executed people reoffend?

HarryVegas Posted on 24/07/2011 23:23
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

XXXXXXing hell LL, maybe lay off visiting CoB for a while [?]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/07/2011 23:24
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Are you being serious? Look at America and their battle with crime. The death-penalty has worked a treat for them hasn't it.

Executing people won't solve the problem. It never has, and that's why civilised societies have moved away from it over the course of the past few decades. It belongs in the dark-ages.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:26
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

All beliefs are not equally valid.

If you think so, LisbonLegend, then you should be supporting this guy's actions. He was acting on his own beliefs, after all.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:26
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Viv, he slaughtered 91 innocent kids, this isn't your everyday American crime FFS. It's the worst atrocity in Norway since the war.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:28
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I didn't say all beliefs are equally valid, read the post again.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:28
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Then you'll understand why your puerile 'eye for an eye' fantasies are being ridiculed.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/07/2011 23:29
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I think the point is LL that it doesn't serve as a deterrent. At least that was the view of Britain's most prolific executioner, Albert Pierrepoint.

I used to be in favour of the death penalty until I heard the argument "How would you feel if your neck was about to be stretched and you knew you were innocent?"

Now this fella in Norway clearly isn't innocent, but you can't introduce the death penalty retrospectively for selected crimes. I believe life should mean life and you only get out in a wooden box. Another point, has anyone considered the issue of diminished responsibility? I'm not going all "wooly-minded liberal" here. I'm just pointing out that there is the possibility that someone who carries out such an irrational act of terror e.g. a lone nut like this one, might not be totally sane.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 24/07/2011 23:29
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Still doesn't give you the right to kill him though.

phil_ostine Posted on 24/07/2011 23:30
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I like how the liberals always look at those who advocate the death sentence in disgust.

High horse city.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:30
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Because it is disgusting. As disgusting as this man's crimes.

That's the whole point.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:31
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

He's blatantly guilty, theres no chance of mistaken identity, if he'd just killed my child I'd have every right to kill him.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/07/2011 23:32
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Maybe those who are saying he should face the death penalty are also getting on their high horses. They're the ones who want to play at judge, jury and executioner.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:33
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Jesus Christ, let's give him a pot noodle and an XBox instead cos flaps and Viv went to get on their high horse.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:33
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"He's blatantly guilty, theres no chance of mistaken identity, if he'd just killed my child I'd have every right to kill him"

No you wouldn't. You'd have no right to murder anyone.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/07/2011 23:34
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

And you and phil ostine aren't?

phil_ostine Posted on 24/07/2011 23:34
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Maybe he just needs a cuddle?

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:36
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Like I said Phil, the people in Norway are a bit more grown up about it.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:36
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I beg to differ, if that person took the life of my child he would forfeit the right to live himself in my eyes. This is like the farmer who protected his home from criminals, if it was down to flaps he'd have been sent down.

captain5 Posted on 24/07/2011 23:36
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

The time anyone proves to me that they have some way of proving guilt 100% of the time is the time when I start properly considering the notion.

Anyone who thinks differently probably isn't as clever as they think.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:37
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

You can beg all you like you're still wrong.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:37
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

No wonder this country is going down the pan with viewpoints like yours.

xBoro_Scallyx Posted on 24/07/2011 23:38
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

LL You are a Doyle

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:38
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Tony Martin was sent down.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/07/2011 23:39
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Speaking more generally, I know some argue that due to advances in forensics, that it's less likely that an innocent person will be found guilty, but the other week, there was a programme on one of the documentary channels about Barry George. His conviction for killing Jill Dando, which was later quashed, was little more than 10 years ago.

phil_ostine Posted on 24/07/2011 23:40
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be killed. He carried out a terrible crime and many people died because of him. You would think that they'd have to change the law, though. He can't serve 21 years for that, surely?

Also, what is grown up about disagreeing with the death penalty? Not too sure where you're coming from with that.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Flaps you're just upset cos I made you look stupid the other day after your hours of research. Explain again how I can post on here using my iPad and watch a film on it at the same time.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

That doesn't surprise me.

bill_door Posted on 24/07/2011 23:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"The time anyone proves to me that they have some way of proving guilt 100% of the time is the time when I start properly considering the notion."

Exactly my thoughts and why I don't call for the death penalty to be returned; but in specific cases like this one where guilt isn't a doubt, I'd have no objection at all if Norway did have the death penalty and that was his punishment.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:42
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"Flaps you're just upset cos I made you look stupid the other day after your hours of research. Explain again how I can post on here using my iPad and watch a film on it at the same time."

I'm happy to discuss it at length if you'd like to post about it in that thread. I think it would be simpler to stick to one issue at a time.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/07/2011 23:42
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"No wonder this country is going down the pan with viewpoints like yours"

Lisbon, I usually respect what you post, but there's no need for that. Just because someone's views are diametrically opposed to yours doesn't mean they're wrong. Flaps has his opinion, you have yours. That last post of yours doesn't do you any favours and borders on the childish.

Bill, in my opinion, I think it goes against natural justice to bring in a punishment retrospectively.

phil_ostine Posted on 24/07/2011 23:45
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Answer my question, flaps. Why is disagreeing with the death penalty "grown up", in your view? I don't understand. Is it childish to say that a man or woman deserves to pay for their crimes with their lives?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:46
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

This isn't a general discussion about use of the death penalty, this is about one man who slaughtered 91 kids over an hour and only stopped killing when he ran out of ammo. This isn't about hanging someone who stole some fruit from a Market stall. These kids were trapped on an island, running for their lives whilst he picked them off, one by one. Arguments about it solving crime are invalid, arguments about him potentially not being guilty are invalid. The argument is the severity of the punishment. He doesn't deserve the gift of life, why should the Norwegian people pay to keep him locked up. It's not an eye for an eye, it an eye for 91 pairs of eyes.


phil_ostine Posted on 24/07/2011 23:48
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

He didn't stop because he ran out of ammunition. According the Guardian website, he still had loads left. Maybe he got bored?

bill_door Posted on 24/07/2011 23:49
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"Bill, in my opinion, I think it goes against natural justice to bring in a punishment retrospectively"

Sorry, I'm not suggesting Norway should bring the death penalty into being, nor am I calling for it to be. I mean if they did already have the death penalty, I wouldn't lose sleep over this man getting it.

But they don't so hopefully life will apply and will actually mean life. If a life sentence actually did mean a life sentence, I'd never consider the death penalty as an option.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:49
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

PTCFT, I didn't say Flaps views were wrong, he is entitled to his opinion, it's the use of the words 'grown up' which I find despicable.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:49
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

" Is it childish to say that a man or woman deserves to pay for their crimes with their lives?"

Yes. Especially so if you believe they should be tortured as some in this thread have suggested.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/07/2011 23:49
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I can't think of any civilised country that has brought in a punishment such as the death penalty retrospectively. You have a point that he doesn't deserve to live. However, Norway doesn't have the death penalty. Accept it.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:50
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Despicable...really?

Is this a competition to see who can pretend to be most outraged?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:51
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Why is torture and execution childish, what a ridiculous statement.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:52
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Your hysterics in this thread havent done much to prove my assessment wrong have they....

phil_ostine Posted on 24/07/2011 23:53
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Torture bit aside, what makes that particular view childish? If you think somebody deserves to die for carrying out a terrible, that's your opinion. If you don't agree with that, it doesn't make you more grown up or a better person.

You saying things like that makes you sound like you're a very self-righteous person.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:53
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Execution and torture are not childish things.

Shrilly calling for the people of Norway to put aside their country's beliefs to satisfy your own blood lust is.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:54
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

PTCFT, I accept that. I don't accept flaps 'I am the law' and everyone else's views are childish crap.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/07/2011 23:54
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Maybe flaps was being harsh by saying that advocating the death penalty is childish. However, I think despicable is too strong a word.

As for torture, that's an out-dated and barborous treatment. I know it's been used in Iraq and Afghanistan but it's use was illegal. No civilised country uses torture as a means of punishment or investigation. Going back to Pierrepoint, when he was an executioner, he believed in doing it swiftly and humanely. Torture isn't swift or humane.

Space_Face Posted on 24/07/2011 23:55
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I don't agree with it but it's certainly not childish.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:56
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I disagree. It does take a better person to realise that murderous revenge will do no good for anybody.

Capital punishment is barbaric and backwards. We've moved on from the dark ages.

phil_ostine Posted on 24/07/2011 23:57
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Maybe he could be tortured in a grown up way? Or executed in a grown up way? Perhaps the executioner could wear a tweed jacket with elbow pads or something?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:57
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I didn't call for the Norwegian people to do anything, they are simply my own views. Unlike you, I respect other people's views and don't see them as being childish cos they don't agree with mine.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:57
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"PTCFT, I accept that. I don't accept flaps 'I am the law' and everyone else's views are childish crap."

I don't think I'm the law, I just know that the law in this country and Norway does not allow for state sponsored murder and no amount of bleating from you will change that, thank goodness.

flaps Posted on 24/07/2011 23:59
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"Maybe he could be tortured in a grown up way? Or executed in a grown up way? Perhaps the executioner could wear a tweed jacket with elbow pads or something?"

Making jokes about this situation ? Classy.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 24/07/2011 23:59
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

LL, you've raised an interesting argument, but are we talking about justice or vengeance here?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 24/07/2011 23:59
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

PTCFT, does this person deserve a humane end?

phil_ostine Posted on 25/07/2011 00:00
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Flaps, I'm taking the edge off your stupid statements.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 00:01
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I don't believe there is such a thing as justice in this case so I'm talking about vengeance, which is what I'd want if he'd executed my kids.

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 00:01
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

You're just looking a bit silly, truth be told.

bill_door Posted on 25/07/2011 00:01
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

If (and I have no idea as to how their legal system works) the maximum IS a 21 year sentence, this bloke could be free again, aged 53.

Are you happy for him to be back on the streets, all rehabilitated?

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 00:03
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"I don't believe there is such a thing as justice in this case so I'm talking about vengeance, which is what I'd want if he'd executed my kids."

...and if you executed him in revenge, presumably his parents could seek their own retribution in turn?

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 25/07/2011 00:03
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

In my opinion, yes. Even if he did face the death penalty, I believe in it being carried out swiftly and humanely. I think the law has to be above that of the murderer. His victims didn't get a humane end, but in my view, it doesn't mean that a mudererer, even this one should face an inhumane end. Neither do I think he should be ever allowed out. Some view prison as a means of rehabilitation. I view it as a means of punishment by taking someone's liberty away. In the case of cold-blooded killers, it should be permanent.

phil_ostine Posted on 25/07/2011 00:04
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"Are you happy for him to be back on the streets, all rehabilitated?"

I think he'll still dislike brown people.

To be honest, though, 21 years or 221 years, I can't see him surviving his full sentence. Somebody will end up killing him.

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 00:05
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Phil I really think you need to stop trying to contribute you're doing yourself no favours.

Edit: glad to see you edited your post.

lapennabianca Posted on 25/07/2011 00:11
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Well, no, he doesn't deserve a humane death.

But that doesn't mean that they should be killed in some despicable manner.

What separates a murderer like Breivik from a civilised society is that the society will not stoop to the subhuman depths that he plumbed. Killing him in some inventive 'Saw'-like fashion would do nothing other than showcase someone's flair for the masochistic. It wouldn't change the past and would only serve to show that the murder of 91 innocent people is enough to barbarise a nation - what kind of message would that send to other extremists?

ron_manager Posted on 25/07/2011 00:18
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I would have no problem with this man recieving the death penalty if that law exsisted in the Norwegian legislation but it doesn't.

If they changed the law to exocute him he will become a martyr to the right wing cause and believe you me people there are certain areas of this world, europe and britian who will be pleased at what he did. They will see it as an opportunity to start a race war. The best thing for him, is to send him to prison for life and ignore him.
Let him see how a liberal and just society moves on.

glue1981 Posted on 25/07/2011 00:25
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

i think that all these "Oh no you can't give him the death peantly knobs" can't have children or love anyone because if they did and it happend to their child or loved one there would be no doubt you'd want him dead

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 00:27
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Yes that must be it.

Space_Face Posted on 25/07/2011 00:31
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Flaps struggles to accept people preferring xbox over playstation. A subject like this was bound to send him over the edge.

diggerman Posted on 25/07/2011 00:32
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I don't believe in "torture" or the death penalty.
It's wrong , even if only one person was wrongly executed then it makes it wrong.
And even if the person IS guilty - surely it makes the authorities as bad as the murderer.
It's barbaric - and it's murder.

lapennabianca Posted on 25/07/2011 00:32
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"i think that all these "Oh no you can't give him the death peantly knobs" can't have children or love anyone because if they did and it happend to their child or loved one there would be no doubt you'd want him dead"

Flawless logic. Is your real name Wittgenstein?

glue1981 Posted on 25/07/2011 00:32
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

i don't matter what i say u'll forgive me you knob jockey and you can't retaliate because thats revenge and you'll be as bad as me u peice of shoite loner

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 00:35
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Go on glue1981 lad

glue1981 Posted on 25/07/2011 00:37
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

if that ain't admittance that i'm right i don't know what is

lapennabianca Posted on 25/07/2011 00:38
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I'll forgive you. Because that's what this whole thread's been about, forgiving Breivik. Boys will be boys.

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 00:40
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

The good bit is that glue1981's little outburst only serves to prove right those he disagrees with, and he will never even realise.

glue1981 Posted on 25/07/2011 00:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

so what do u think should be done with him ...really if you were the judge

ron_manager Posted on 25/07/2011 00:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

glue1981 I have two children and yes I have a primeval instinct to protect them and other children.
Yes if I think about my own children been hurt I get thought of violence toward the perpetrator.
Only because you dont act on the thought doesnt not mean you are wrong.
Afgterall how many fathers and mothers of murdered go on and kill the perpetrator in this country.
None that i can recall, and thats because you simpleton they have a duty to there other children and family to not go to prison for a revenge killing.

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 00:42
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Me? I think he should be kept in jail or secure hospital for as long as legally possible.

br14 Posted on 25/07/2011 00:44
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Ironically he'd probably be happy to be executed.

It is after all characteristic of the type of society he desires. And he'd become a martyr among any who feel the same way.

The explosion and murders were politically motivated. The bomb exploded at a government building and the kids were killed at a Labour Party camp.

He's anti-Islamic but I don't think his targets are limited to Islam.

Based on what I've read he seems to be under the impression European culture is being changed by liberal (small L) politicians introducing mass immigration and "multi-culturalism". Rather than attack the immigrants, he's attacking the politicians.

Given he apparently thinks Vlad the Impaler was a genius we can make a fair guess at his motivations. Even if his actions suggest he's a complete nutter.

Looking beyond the disgust and emotion, he has been scarily effective for one guy with a gun.

glue1981 Posted on 25/07/2011 00:46
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

flaps if you hung murders in this country we'd save a mountain of tax my guess is your on the dole
and the other guy u don't have to kill him just vote for the state to hang him[^]

ron_manager Posted on 25/07/2011 00:49
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

The fact he surrenderd without turning the gun on himself says alot to me. This guy wants to be a martyr to his cause not by his own hand but the by the state he sees as the oppressor.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 25/07/2011 00:53
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"Jesus Christ, let's give him a pot noodle and an XBox instead cos flaps and Viv went to get on their high horse."

That sort of thing, 'give them an X-Box and a Pot Noodle', is the sort of thing you'd usually find in the Daily Mail. It's an absolutely pathetic view to take.

I don't believe in the death-penalty. I don't think it is an acceptable, or worthwhile, form of punishment nor do I think it serves as a deterrent. In fact, we know it doesn't serve as a deterrent because the countries/regimes who relied on such methods in the past, and those who still rely on them now, well they're still suffering at the hands of criminals.

A civilised society doesn't advocate the death of another human being under any circumstance. Not even when the circumstances are as shocking as these ones are. If somebody commits a crime then they are removed from that society. They lose their freedom and their liberty. That is their punishment and that is how you deal with them. That is how you protect the other citizens within a fair and civilised society. In a case like this, well, it's very unlikely this man will ever, ever set-foot in the outside world again. He won't be released. A person who kills on such a scale just isn't going to be released.

Lisbon - I'd be very interested to hear how you arrived at the viewpoint that because I don't think this man should be executed/tortured as way of punishment for these despicable crimes it means I think he should be given an X-Box and a Pot Noodle. How did you reach that particular conclusion?

Claudio Posted on 25/07/2011 01:00
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

putting all emotive issues to one side, it's probably worth mentioning that in america it costs somewhere between twice and 5 times more to execute a prisoner than to keep them locked up for life.

is this really a sensible investment?

gravyboat Posted on 25/07/2011 01:02
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

The thirst for revenge is quite sad, really.

It doesn't put things right, it doesn't stop it from happening again, and it doesn't address the real issues.

It's short termism, advocated by dummies.



arnold_judas_rimmer Posted on 25/07/2011 01:08
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Jesus i am embarrassed by people taking the moral highground on such as issue.

If execution is not the answer here then what is? What can we do to this person to make him truely pay for his atrocious crime? Lock him up at the cost of the people he targeted? Seems fair?

Maybe we should just council him through this traumatic period in his life - he's just a victim of society maybe?

br14 Posted on 25/07/2011 01:10
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Not so sure about the death penalty.

Pretty sure it does serve some form of deterrence, though obviously not absolute.

Some countries with the death penalty have remarkably low murder rates. Others like the US are a complete contrast.

Personally I'd say the main reason not to have the death penalty is because of inability of the justice system to correctly convict the guilty party.

And locking someone up for life seems to me to be every bit as barbaric as the death penalty.

Why not give people the choice?

Unless a convicted criminal is a danger to themselves or others I can't see the point of prisons. I'd rather see them make restitution or similar.

Prisons are just a way of creating a few thousand public sector jobs. And from what I've read are full of corruption both by the inmates and the jailors.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/07/2011 01:13
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Pop over and have a look at Norwegian society, they don't need to resort to execution, and they're not so much hung up on 'cost' as the UK appear to be.

They passed the simpleton way of looking at things a long, long time ago.

gravyboat Posted on 25/07/2011 01:18
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I don't believe that murder should be punished with another murder.

That's not taking the 'moral highground'. It's an inherent belief, based on humanity.

br14 Posted on 25/07/2011 01:21
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

They've done a rather better job of managing oil wealth than has the UK.

Then again they're not part of the EU.

However, they seem to have created the worlds most effective single terrorist.

And suggesting that anyone who believes in the death penalty is a simpleton sounds like a gross simplification.

Given the choice between spending the rest of your life confined in a crowded prison, subject to abuse by some pretty nasty people and surviving on heroin, or having your life terminated quietly, peacefully and humanely, I'm not so sure. Always assuming your were guilty of course.

arnold_judas_rimmer Posted on 25/07/2011 01:30
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"They passed the simpleton way of looking at things a long, long time ago."

So 21 years imprisonment for this crime is the way forward?

If you disagree then fair enough; put your point forward but don't just make out you are of superior intelect because you are more lenient.

And people looking at America's death penalty not being a deterrant; they should also consider their gun laws.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/07/2011 01:33
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Just because we can't organise our economy effectively, despite the oil revenues, why point the finger at the EU?

Have a look at how Norway's EU Scandinavian neighbours are doing. They share Norway's high standard of living despite a lack of oil revenues.

gravyboat Posted on 25/07/2011 01:34
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Jens Stoltenberg:

'We will retaliate with more democracy, more humanity and more openness.'

arnold_judas_rimmer Posted on 25/07/2011 01:34
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"it's probably worth mentioning that in america it costs somewhere between twice and 5 times more to execute a prisoner than to keep them locked up for life."

This might be true but i would love to know why this is the case.

duncanbannatyne Posted on 25/07/2011 01:45
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Flaps, that is the most pathetic thing i've ever heard. A man who slaughters 90 people should be executed immediately , what side of the law are you on flaps ? Empathizing with a cold blooded killer of 90 children - f u k YOU!

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 25/07/2011 01:52
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

'If you disagree then fair enough; put your point forward but don't just make out you are of superior intelect because you are more lenient'

I was referring to the Norwegians, not myself. They're more civilised than the British, in my opinion.

Claudio Posted on 25/07/2011 01:56
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"This might be true but i would love to know why this is the case."

Legal wrangling. A prisoners stay on death row is on average about 15 years. When you consider that the whole of this time is spent submitting appeals and carrying out other legal processes before an execution takes place you realise that a significant amount of people are involved for extended periods.

Judges, lawyers, court clerks etc don't come cheap at the best of times so when something as publicity generating as an execution comes up it will be the top professionals being paid top money.

Guess who'll foot the bill...

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 25/07/2011 02:08
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

They usually have the decency to turn the gun on themselves or get shot. I think I read somewhere he wants to represent himself in a trial. I hope they don't have a big show trial as I'd imagine that's what he wants.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 25/07/2011 03:13
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

What an odd twist this thread took.

Of course you would want this guy dead if he killed your own child it's human nature.

Torture and the death penalty though [V]

Hurworth Posted on 25/07/2011 07:38
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Roofie with a "ton-up" thread? Now that is amazing.[ref]

HarryVegas Posted on 25/07/2011 07:45
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

It IS only human to want revenge when terrible crimes are perpetrated against our own flesh and blood, but that's why we have laws preventing us from personal vengeance. If we didn't, the streets would be full of vigilantes tooled up to the teeth. The perpetrator's family could then seek revenge for our revenge and so on ad infinitum. Is that the kind of society we really want to live in? Ask the people of Northern Ireland about that kind of grudge culture.

celestial_teapot Posted on 25/07/2011 08:14
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

There are some very right-wing views on this message-board



Link: Beyond 21 years, perhaps

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 08:32
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"Flaps, that is the most pathetic thing i've ever heard. A man who slaughters 90 people should be executed immediately , what side of the law are you on flaps ? Empathizing with a cold blooded killer of 90 children - f u k YOU!"

So you - who advocates summary execution for people accused of a crime - are asking me which side of the law I am?

Interesting.

Hopefully you've sobered up by now and realise the idiocy of that post.

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 08:34
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"There are some very right-wing views on this message-board"

It would be interesting to learn which side of the debate Breivik agrees with.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 08:53
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Why, should we let him choose his own fate now.[rle]

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 09:04
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

What?

gravyboat Posted on 25/07/2011 09:04
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I was waiting for the 'what if it was your child?' argument, but Harry has pretty much covered it.

Decisions on sentencing have to be taken without emotion. It's what makes us civil.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 09:06
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Stab him in the eye with a rusty screwdriver.

Libbins Posted on 25/07/2011 09:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"moral high ground"

Jesus wept. Lets organise a public hanging eh? That'll learn him.

Why martyr him? The man needs to be in a padded cell for the rest of his life.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/07/2011 10:10
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

the people who do these things are messed up in the head. the death penalty is not a deterrent for them. surely stuck in prison for rest of their life is more punishment than execution. they would probably prefer to be executed. then there is the issue if someone being found innocent later down the line.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 10:12
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

The death penalty would not be a deterrent, it would be a punishment.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/07/2011 10:18
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

death penalty is the easy way out for them. some of them try to kill themselves in prison so why let them get what they prefer? then there would be the issue of where is the line on who gets the death penalty and who doesnt

Libbins Posted on 25/07/2011 10:18
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Lisbon, crimes like this call for an action that is more than just punishment though.

Martyring him won't solve anything - in fact it could fuel more people like him.

borolad259 Posted on 25/07/2011 10:26
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Thankfully, the Norwegians seem to be dealing with it their way.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 10:26
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Just read an article on him and he wants to be a martyr, that's why he should be tortured instead.

colin21 Posted on 25/07/2011 10:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Lisbon, I would bet that he is in favour of the death penalty.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 10:42
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Colin, you are right, that is why he should be kept alive and slowly tortured.

colin21 Posted on 25/07/2011 10:48
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

memo to self...Don't vote for Lisbon or nominate him for head of Home office. Seriously Lisbon, can he really be right in the head? I think nhe will be in Prison all his life and never get bout and get so many smacks in side. he will be tortured.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 25/07/2011 10:52
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I don't believe in the death penalty. Two wrongs don't make right! The old argument, what would you do if it was your kids? Well of course you would kill him. That is why we have the law. So decisions are not made at the at the height of emotions. He should be locked up till the day he dies!

junkyard_angel Posted on 25/07/2011 10:57
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

If we don't urge the Norwegians to torture and execute this man, we will just be will just be raising ourselves to their standards.

HarryVegas Posted on 25/07/2011 10:59
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

ja [:D][^]

duncanbannatyne Posted on 25/07/2011 11:09
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

So, just because this gunman is a right-wing extremist we should go by his views rather than the peoples? I think the families of the murdered teenagers should get to decide the fate of this fiend (whether he gets executed or put in jail).

I hate it when people say 'if you torture them - it puts you on their level' - that's nonsense, criminals torture their victims all the time to show they're above the law and then we 'pretend' we are above them by throwing them in a cell (apparently taking the moral high ground) for the rest of their lives, itís stupid. To show what we (law) are capable of maybe we should dance with the devil instead? An electric chair serves as the best justice for a cold blooded killer, I'd say anyway.

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 11:14
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Just to clarify duncan: you think it would be acceptable for this country to torture criminals?

sasboro1 Posted on 25/07/2011 11:16
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

i thought the reason your torture someone is to get information out of them.

gravyboat Posted on 25/07/2011 11:16
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

'I think the families of the murdered teenagers should get to decide the fate of this fiend (whether he gets executed or put in jail).'

Not really grasping this 'law' thing, are you?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 11:30
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Flaps, as I have said before, this man is no petty thief, there is no doubt that he committed these horrendous crimes.

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 11:32
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

...so?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 11:40
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

So how did I watch anfilm on my iPad and still post on here bright spark?

borodavey Posted on 25/07/2011 11:41
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Who says he will get tortured inside. Didn't Rose west have sky tv in her cell. She was kept away from other prisoners to protect her. Its hardly hard time for these criminals who commit crimes against children. They get secluded for they own protection. They have it easier than anyone inside.

flaps Posted on 25/07/2011 11:43
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"So how did I watch anfilm on my iPad and still post on here bright spark?"

Maybe you posted from a laptop or PC? Maybe you posted on your phone or from a second iPad?

Or maybe, just maybe, you double-clicked the home button, opened up Safari, posted, then went back to watching the movie? iPads can do that you know.

I really dont know.

What's important is that you're full of crap.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/07/2011 11:56
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"They have it easier than anyone inside. "

how do you know this for a fact? and if it was true then why do some of them attempt or manage to commit suicide?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 12:06
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

What you mean is that you think you are right when you clearly wrong. Anders Behring was self righteous aswell.

Towell Posted on 25/07/2011 12:12
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

The end of the argument is that Norway shouldn't sacrifice their beliefs in liberalism and human rights just because of a despicable act.

Their prime minister has said as much.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 25/07/2011 12:52
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Lisbon - I'd be very interested to hear how you arrived at the viewpoint that because I don't think this man should be executed/tortured as way of punishment for these despicable crimes it means I think he should be given an X-Box and a Pot Noodle. How did you reach that particular conclusion?

bill_door Posted on 25/07/2011 13:31
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"If we don't urge the Norwegians to torture and execute this man, we will just be will just be raising ourselves to their standards."

Very good.[:D][^]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 13:36
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Viv, cos they don't have a Greggs in prison.

John67 Posted on 25/07/2011 14:04
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Can't be bothered to read the whole thread, but have decided to put my twopenneth in anyway. Even though this chunt deserves it IMHO and if it was a relative/child of mine I would like to kill him over a year or so, we like the Norwegians did away with the death penalty because sometimes we got it wrong. We also make laws on the basis that judgements need to be fair not based on anger and rage. For me, any one who does this kind of thing should be locked up in isolation on bread and water with hard labour until they die (no visitors, TV, Radio, nothing)with no hope of ever getting out.

oooooo Posted on 25/07/2011 14:20
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

John, I couldn't be bothered to read your post.

John67 Posted on 25/07/2011 14:31
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Dear Mr 000000 I don't care [^]

duncanbannatyne Posted on 25/07/2011 14:33
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

'you think it would be acceptable for this country to torture criminals? '

I see the electric chair as a perfectly humane way of killing a criminal

spider_man Posted on 25/07/2011 15:23
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

I don't think I could agree with execution, although in the case where he is definitely guilty I'd find it hard to fight his corner not to be executed.

I think the whole Human Rights thing needs to be reviewed though. For somebody like this there needs to be an agreement on how they are treated. What are the basic needs of a human at a bare minimum and that is exactly what this person gets for the rest of their life.

That should mean a small cell, access to clean water, food (should be tasteless gruel but enough to sustain) and very little else. There should be nothing to entertain, nothing to make it tolerable. The bare minimum to ensure an appropriate existence for somebody like this.

John67 Posted on 25/07/2011 15:30
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Spide: Great Minds [^] although you forgot hard labour and isolation.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 25/07/2011 15:32
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

Just kill him and be done with it, there's a million more martyrs out there, they're 10 a penny.

MarlonD Posted on 25/07/2011 15:34
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"I think the whole Human Rights thing needs to be reviewed though"

Human rights is the key phrase, just as this particular human had no right to take any of the lives that he did, we as a civilised society cannot give ourselves the right to execute another person.

Lock him up and throw away the key and as John67 said, make sure he is left in solitary confinement with the basics to make sure he can't escape from his punishment.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 25/07/2011 16:19
That Norwegian guy deserves to be executed.

"Viv, cos they don't have a Greggs in prison."

Expected better than that, to be honest.