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borolad259 Posted on 15/06/2011 10:03
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Interesting arrangement of stages this year: no prologue, the first TT is the team trial on day 2, which is more of a lottery for the big guns. They are less likely to be able to take a big TT lead and defend for the whole race.
Then there's more or less a week of flat stages for the breakaways and sprinters.
Twice up the Galibier, with a monster summit at over 8,000 feet. Not just a big steep climb, but with altitude to hamper breathing...tough.
Final Individual Time Trial on the penultimate day is a big one. Contador will want a lead going into it....which he'll probably have.
Can't wait.

Buddy Posted on 15/06/2011 10:20
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Can't get excited by time trials. Half the reason for watching is the scenery, and you just see the same bit over and over again. Particularly bad if it's an industrial estate outside Milan, I've found.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 15/06/2011 10:22
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Sounds like F1 Buddy [;)]

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 15/06/2011 10:25
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Great opportunity for Cavendish this first week.... he should get some stage wins and he should be in yellow... HTC looked great in the Giro TTT.

Tailor-made for Contador though.

borolad259 Posted on 15/06/2011 10:26
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The time trials are just a small part of what makes up the whole event. To win, you normally need to be good at them.
Seeing the same bit of scenery a few times doesn't bother get to know a little corner of France quite intimately. As a result, you never actually have to go there.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 15/06/2011 10:30
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Are you sure they're going twice up the Galibier ?

It's not that easy to get to, I think they're just doing it the once as part of the usual Marmotte route (Telegraphe, Galibier, Alpe d'Huez)

EDIT: just looked at the route... you're right, from the Isoard as well.

borolad259 Posted on 15/06/2011 10:42
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Those last two days in the mountains will be a killer...unless Contador suffers a mishap, he'll be well ahead. I just can't see anyone staying with him.
There's a fair chance that the likes of Cav will find their race ends prematurely.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 15/06/2011 10:46
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No chance of Cav retiring he wants Green and he wants another stage win in Paris.... and those two mountain days are not that hard really, he'll easily get through them... even I've ridden Stage 19..... more or less.

borolad259 Posted on 15/06/2011 10:50
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It was actually 18 where I thought finishing outside of the time limit might be a danger, given that it's a long stage with a long and high climb at real altitude.
I've run at altitudes similar to that and it's really tough.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 15/06/2011 10:52
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Compared to this years Giro the route is a piece of pish.... now that was hard.

That's the only problem.... between the Giro and the Tour you have June... which means two weeks of the tedium of 24 hour Wimbledon coverage.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 15/06/2011 11:09
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I love watching it but am a bit unsure wether the Angolan TV companies will be showing it. Bought the Tour mag on the way out and it shows the summit of that mountain. Unreal for the time.

Hope it's a good race, I want Schleck to pip Contador, Wiggins to come out of his shell and go for it, gamble a little. Cavendish will hopefully win a few more stages.

Looking forward to it, infact when I get home i'll be out on my bike giving it some.

pierrequiroule Posted on 15/06/2011 11:57
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There's loads of internet streams of most major races Jonny.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 15/06/2011 12:09
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Not wih the Angolan dial up speed, hoping cnn have some coverage.

borolad259 Posted on 15/06/2011 13:00
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I like this site for net links

Link: steep hill

t4tomo Posted on 15/06/2011 14:15
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They rarely chuck someone out for finishing behind the time limit, particulalry a "Big name". Normally you find they have a medical need and miraculously the medical car tows them up the steep bits. Someone accused Cav of this in the Giro I think.

Thor Hushovd looked in good nick in ydays tour suisse stage - will be a big threat to Cav's green ambitions I reckon, not because he's a faster sprinter, but he's better alround than Cav so is in contention for a sprin at the end of small Alpine stage, when Cav is sat off the back.

Ydays was a classic - very slight incline for the last 2km. Cav didn't even bother getting near the front in the last 20km as he knew he'd have no chance in those last 2km. Thor was there to take the stage win.

Depends a bit on how many pure sprint stages there are and whether Cav or his team mates headbutt anyone in them!

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 15/06/2011 14:26
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That first week looks interesting... few days suit Cav (pan flat) and a few suit Hushovd (little uphills at the finish)... with HTC likely taking the TTT it still should see Cav in green by the end of it, then comes down to how many intermediate sprint points Hushovd can take before the final day in Paris... could be close.

Supermac Posted on 15/06/2011 16:55
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Any early predictions ?

Il go 1.schleck, 2.contador, 3.Horner, 4.Sanchez, 5.Gesink

Cav in green frank shcleck kotm

t4tomo Posted on 15/06/2011 17:00
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I reckon Wiggins has a shot of getting on the podium (bottom step most likely)

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 15/06/2011 17:02
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1. Contador
2. The rest, in a different race

Hushovd in green having looked closer at the stages.

Wiggo top 5 if he can get some support from his team like in the Dauphine.

Cav to wear yellow first week.

Supermac Posted on 15/06/2011 18:24
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I think brad can get top 10 and that's his limit, he's goin to have a bad day, just depends how bad it is . People really underestimating schleck I feel, his brother is nearly as good and will give his all for him. Alberto is a better time trialler though and that might be enough

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 15/06/2011 18:32
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I hope you're right about Schleck but in the Giro Contador was head and shoulders above everyone in the mountains, I feel it will be the same again.

borolad259 Posted on 15/06/2011 20:10
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Pierre old fruit. Which team do you think most likely to prevail in the TTT?

Supermac Posted on 15/06/2011 22:29
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HTC will smash the ttt up, hopefully leaving cav in yellow for a couple of days

pierrequiroule Posted on 16/06/2011 12:11
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Agreed, HTC are the favourites, but it's a very short course for a TTT and anything can happen - they are much less predictable than individual time trials.

I've detected signs that all's not well with HTC and according to some commentators Cavendish's stated disatisfaction with his salary is having an effect on his performance.

Today's news that persistent rumours of Cav joining Sky are probably true will not help team harmony.

Note the salary for one of the top earners and compare to football.

Link: Cav to Sky

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 16/06/2011 12:38
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Nothing new in all that Pierre.

Cav is still very ambitious and I can't see any of this affecting him. He looked impressive in the Giro and will still be the man to beat in the flat sprints. Unfortunately there may be too many uphill sprint finishes which will play into Hushovd's hands.

As long as he's got Renshaw on-side he'll be fine in the tour.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Renshaw going wherever Cav goes, Sky or elsewhere.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 16/06/2011 12:40
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They've been reading my thoughts [:D]

Link: Cav, Renshaw & Eisel to Sky

pierrequiroule Posted on 16/06/2011 13:10
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Yes, I spotted that, but my first thought was, Christ, cycling must be entering the mainstream if the Mail are reporting it.

borolad259 Posted on 16/06/2011 13:26
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I think "SKY" have something to do with that.

pierrequiroule Posted on 16/06/2011 15:45
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You could say - Murdoch has to be good for something.

Tour of Swiss here if anyone is interested. Approaching the 15km climb to the finish:

Link: Stage 6

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 16/06/2011 15:50
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Cheers Pierre... bit more subtle watching it on my laptop in my office instead of nipping upstairs and watching it on Eurosport.... I can pretend to work at the same time.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 16/06/2011 16:48
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I think I might take in the Le Mans to Châteauroux stage.

Steer Posted on 16/06/2011 16:54
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I don't understand this Cav to Sky story. His current team is setup to get him to win the sprint stages, but Sky's main ambition is for Wiggins in the GC. I do not think the two are compatible in he same team.

pierrequiroule Posted on 16/06/2011 17:20
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"I think I might take in the Le Mans to Châteauroux stage."

Are you living out here then MK? I may nip up the road too but it will hardly be worth it as it's pan flat.

pierrequiroule Posted on 16/06/2011 17:22
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Steer - Sky will change their emphasis (they're already doing it) and Cavendish will double his wages.

hendrieswondergoal Posted on 16/06/2011 17:37
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I was hoping Contador wouldn't be allowed to start the race, but we need a clean governing body before get a Tour with fully clean riders.


Schleck was as good C untador in the final time trial last year. And was in effect the winner if you discount the stage where C untador 'cheated'. (Which I do).

I think Schleck can certainly challenge again, haven't looked at the route, so don't know what the climbs are like. But there's some climbs where Schleck is about the one man who can ride away from C untador, so hopefully there's some of them.

Wiggins looks in great shape. Last season he rode the Giro and he paid for it in the Tour. His preparation this year looks bang on. I think he can podium. TTT may help here too, love TTTs, Sky should do well.

Regards the Giro, C untador riding that may well hit him hard once you get into the 2nd and 3rd weeks of the Tour.

Fingers crossed.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 16/06/2011 18:45
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Sky's stated ambition was a tour winner in 5 years... that's clearly not going to happen... they're now backtracking from that and aiming to be a more rounded team.... Cav will fit in well.

As for Andy Schleck, looks like he's using the Tour of Switzerland as a warm-up and not racing it.

There may be some truth in the Giro catching up with Contador in the Alps.... here's hoping.

borolad259 Posted on 17/06/2011 08:32
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Geraint Thomas on Twitter: "Lovely day ahead... Telegraph, Galibier and alpe d'huez. Should be fun!!"

Tour de Suisse goes through my in-laws town today: Thusis. Lovely part of the world.

borolad259 Posted on 17/06/2011 09:19
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Looks like Brad's off up the mountains too...on a recce. Team SKY picnic perhaps.

Havasack Posted on 17/06/2011 09:41
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Isnt Cavendish meant to be an arrogant asshole ?

t4tomo Posted on 17/06/2011 09:55
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Most successful sportsmen have an air of confidence and a bit of a swagger about them, you need it to be a great sprinter.

You have to put your head down and go for it and ride into a gap that might not be wide enough to get through. If you lack that absolute confidence or worry about what if I clip a wheel or something, then you'll hestiate and lose.

He's also seems to be quite an emotional character and rarely thinks before he speaks, so he has rubbed one or two people up the wrong way.

I think to called him arrogant is wide of the mark (no pun intended).

pierrequiroule Posted on 17/06/2011 10:09
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Mark apparently got his MBE for services to the nation:

Link: Up yours you french t....

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 17/06/2011 10:13
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Except they were Swiss that day Pierre... [;)]

pierrequiroule Posted on 17/06/2011 10:46
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French-speaking swiss smog - you only get an MBE for sticking it up the french. [:D]

Abel_Tasman Posted on 17/06/2011 10:55
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Latest odds

Contador 4/6

Andy Schleck. 2.71-1

Menchov. 25-1

Evans 33-1

Wiggo. 33-1

pierrequiroule Posted on 17/06/2011 14:40
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Interesting extracts from a new book on the beginnings at Sky and relationship with Cav.

Soler now stable after sustaining a fractured skull in yesterday's Tour de Suisse.

Link: Sky's the limit

MKredleaderOne Posted on 17/06/2011 17:17
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No I don't live over there. I come across 2 or 3 times a year. 2-3 weeks in the summer, a couple of weeks at Christmas and a short break some other time (should funds and time permit). I stay down by the Dordogne about 15 minutes east of Bergerac.

Where do you reside?

Buddy Posted on 17/06/2011 17:23
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FFS. I think I remember a time when you didn't take a holiday from one year to the next...

MKredleaderOne Posted on 17/06/2011 17:29
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Times change Buddy.

I now get paid a decent rate and with my dividends from the shares in the company I find it affordable.

Mind you it could prove expensive this year with the exchange rate the way it is.

Oh and I may be visiting Buckinghamshire quite often (Monks Risborough) especially when BORO are at Reading/Southampton/Portsmouth etc. Those stateside folk are coming home.

pierrequiroule Posted on 17/06/2011 17:52
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Ah, right MK. I thought that with you thinking of taking in the Le Mans - Chateauroux stage you might have a base in this neck of the woods. I'm half an hour north of Tours, so it's only a short drive to see it pass.

You'd be much better off seeing stage 9 (Issoire to St Flour) which is quite close to you and in a really attractive medium mountainous area which I've cycled in a few times. The 2nd cat climbs of the Col du Peyrol (Puy Mary) and Col du Perthus are closest to you and you can do a bit of hang gliding off the escarpments if you have a mind to. [:D]

Link: Click 'Parcours' for the route

MKredleaderOne Posted on 17/06/2011 18:08
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Problem is I'm returning to the UK on the Sunday so I thought I'd take a steady drive up and have a couple of stop overs.

Maybe somewhere near Chatres then Saturday night about half an hour from Calais. I try to pick different places each summer and did Rouen, Le Mans, Tours and Poitiers on the way down last year and Amiens on the way back. I tend to take pot luck and don't research where I'm heading which proves a bit hit and niss really.

So if you've any suggestions they'd be welcome.

1finny Posted on 17/06/2011 18:20
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Sooo looking forward to the race. The background is really interesting. Cav to Sky?? seems fraught with danger. Two big egos in the same team.
I'm not sure why people are discounting Schleck this year??
And, I'll be over to see Cav win the final stage before the Pyrenees [^][^]

borolad259 Posted on 20/06/2011 10:14
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A helpful hoof.

pierrequiroule Posted on 20/06/2011 10:45
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I wouldn't know where to start MK - best try the smaller towns with an attracton that you're particularly interested in.

On the Tour - a big tip for the future, Peter Kennaugh (from the Isle of Man like Cav) may have just ridden himself into Sky's TdF team, although they may consider him too young. He just got an excellent 3rd place overall in the Route du Sud which included two hard days in the Pyrenees with climbs of the Aspin and Tourmalet.

borolad259 Posted on 23/06/2011 14:29
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Team SKY announced. Ben Swift (good Yorkshire lad) included.

pierrequiroule Posted on 23/06/2011 14:30
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Rider profiles

Link: here

borolad259 Posted on 26/06/2011 21:22
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Full race line up.

Bradley Wiggins won the National Road Race Champs today I see. Rest and carb loading now I should imagine.

Link: runners and riders

BoroAl Posted on 26/06/2011 22:33
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Wiggo top 5 if he can get some support from his team like in the Dauphine.

Cav to wear yellow first week.

Wiggo and Cav?

borolad259 Posted on 26/06/2011 22:52
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Alster, wassup?

Mark_Bosnich Posted on 27/06/2011 06:57
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when do all teams have to confirm their 9-man team/roster?

r00fie Posted on 27/06/2011 07:16
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I used to struggle up Ormesby Bank me lyke[:D]

Kevlar Posted on 27/06/2011 07:18
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Which team has Spokey Dokeys?

Also, if they ride through dog dirt, do they have to pull over to the side and get it out of the tread with a lolly stick, or do they just carry on?

t4tomo Posted on 27/06/2011 10:29
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Its for that very reason that their tyres don't have any tread.[:D]

1finny Posted on 27/06/2011 12:55
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Interesting in ST yesterday.
Wiggins saying it is almost certain Cav will end up at Sky.
ST saying - that would mean Wiggins would leave [?]
Sky aint big enough for both of em eh

t4tomo Posted on 27/06/2011 15:05
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Cav would probaly replace Bosen Hagen (who may not make this years tour as he's just got shingles) at Sky. Most pro team can cope with managing teh demands of a sprinter and a GC contender, plus SKY would welcome the focus of attentioj being split away from the "winning the TdeF" mission statement.

pretty sure we'll see both Cav & Wiggo at Sky next year

pierrequiroule Posted on 27/06/2011 15:42
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HTC-Highroad may have to fold or at least downsize if they can't find a headline sponsor by the end of the Tour. Cavendish will move on and the body language between him and Wiggins in recent photographs suggests that the move to Sky is a done deal.

Note that teams are allowed to negotiate with riders at any time but not to talk about it publicly til after 1st august.

borolad259 Posted on 30/06/2011 07:48
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It is nearly upon us...that's my work avoidance strategy for the next three weeks organised then.

Steer Posted on 30/06/2011 10:29
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How good does that Leopard-Trek team look!
Schleck x2

I see David Miller is riding again. He struggled last year, and I though he might not be back.

pierrequiroule Posted on 30/06/2011 10:35
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He's busy with his new career [:D] but is actually riding well this year.

Link: Me and my mate Paul Smith

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/06/2011 14:38
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Guardian guide is good this year...

.... apart from the fact that their "expert" doesn't seem to have much of a clue

Link: Guardian

tryasize10 Posted on 30/06/2011 15:26
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I have just been looking at Stage 3. I see they are passing over the bridge at St. Nazaire.

I have been over this bridge in the car a couple of times when I was staying in La Boule-Escoublac (beautiful place by the way), its massive and very steep.

Was just wondering what the red 4 symbol reflects on the maps, as i cant find a Key?!

Link: Pont St Nazaire

tryasize10 Posted on 30/06/2011 15:30
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I think i just figured it out that it is the category of climb? is this correct?

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 30/06/2011 15:31
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Yes.... a bridge as a 4th category climb.

borolad259 Posted on 02/07/2011 09:38
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The day is upon us indeed. That's 3 weeks of indolent, work-shy fun sorted. Geraint THomas gunning for a good finish today to be in with a chance of yellow after the TT.

borolad259 Posted on 02/07/2011 10:31
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Looking forward to today's stage. Used to have camping holidays right down that Vendee coast as a kid. Sadly, it's just missing La Tranche, which was a favourite fact, bumped into tonymcandrew'shattrick and his family there once.

borolad259 Posted on 02/07/2011 16:39
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Mishap for Contador and one of the Gs takes the win.

borolad259 Posted on 03/07/2011 14:43
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Garmin cooking with gas.

pierrequiroule Posted on 03/07/2011 16:19
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Yellow by 1 sec. I won't spoil it for anyone watching highlights later.

borolad259 Posted on 03/07/2011 16:21
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[:D] It's going to be fun watching the fella in 2nd defending for the next 3 weeks.

Supermac Posted on 03/07/2011 18:07
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Great day for cadel , wiggo and especially Andy schleck. Don't want to be in yellow to early, think schleck is in a good place at minute if his brother can stick about and help him hell walk it this year

1finny Posted on 03/07/2011 21:24
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Interesting first couple of days and, I think, possibly defining.
Contador won by just over 30 secs last year. He made 40 secs in the individual time trial which..... doesn't exist this year.
Schleck to win for me... but its gonna be fun.

Buddy Posted on 03/07/2011 21:26
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Link: Individual time trial

mooghead Posted on 03/07/2011 21:29
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I love watching cycling... he's on drugs... he's on drugs... that one is definitely on drugs... he's a drugs cheat... he might as well be flying..

How can you even watch this so called 'sport' (where they are all drugs cheats)

pierrequiroule Posted on 03/07/2011 21:36
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But you were interested enough to post on this thread? Having pointed out that inconsistency perhaps you'll not bother posting again.

mooghead Posted on 03/07/2011 22:07
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Have resisted for a while... its all a shambles... am wondering it william hill will take a bet on the amount of drug cheat allegations this year...

What are the odds on.. say.... twelve? Odds double if allegations are on yellow jersey wearer...


pierrequiroule Posted on 03/07/2011 22:57
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Well, as you're so interested mooghead, why don't you have a read of David Millar's new book. You might just begin to understand a little about the sport and its relationship with doping.

Then you can try and find similar books on doping in other sports, but you won't find them because nobody talks about what goes on behind closed doors and their governing bodies turn a blind eye.

>> Racing Through the Dark: The Fall and Rise of David Millar (Orion £18.99) does not disappoint. Millar has not always been celebrated for his candour and honesty. In 2004, police raided a restaurant where he was dining with British Cycling head David Brailsford in Biarritz and he was arrested as a drugs cheat. It was one of the saddest falls from grace in a particularly bleak era for cycling, but what happened next has defined Millar's legacy and made him one of the most influential individuals in cleaning up the sport.

From a peripatetic upbringing in Scotland, Aylesbury and Hong Kong, Millar has always been an idiosyncratic cyclist and something of a loner too. He had a talent for racing and won the prologue of his first Tour de France in 2000 – long before he used performance-enhancers. In fact, he was idealistic about not doping and although he could see signs of its use – the delivery of ice bags day and night to the rooms of team-mates to keep the EPO cool was a clue – he never thought he would be tempted. But in Racing Through the Dark, Millar depicts how his resolve slowly weakened: starting with "legal" récup injections of vitamins and iron, through his increasing dependence on sleeping pills before finally committing to "prepare properly", as the euphemism had it.

Where Millar's narrative differs from so many riders, however, is what happened when he was busted. Almost immediately, he admitted everything; then, and this really is unprecedented, he decided to use his experience as a cautionary tale. He talked openly to the press about the prevalence of doping, he became a mentor to young riders and he even harangued Lance Armstrong at a drinks party for not being hard enough on convicted dopers. After serving a two-year suspension from racing, he came back riding on "bread and water" and scored some of the greatest successes of his career. His tale – bizarrely – has become just about the most inspiring in all of cycling, perhaps any sport.

If you want to find out how cyclists dope, it's here; if you want to discover why they do it, there has never been a more vivid account. But the defining achievement of Racing Through the Dark is that it makes you believe in cycling again and, through his career, Millar shows that maybe all that suffering is worth something after all.

borolad259 Posted on 04/07/2011 10:31
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Good to see a clean Millar up at the top of the GC on his book promotional tour.

I must admit, every time someone does something extraordinary in the TdF, Giro, Vuelta etc these days, I can't help asking myself "Is this too good to be true?".

The interesting thing is that the positive effects of "blood doping" can be replicated by altitude training to a large extent, which is legal. I remember when the Finnish distance runners figured all this stuff out in the 70s...Lasse Viren would show up at the major champs and completely out-perform his "form". There were, of course, no means of testing back then.

Looking forward to today...there are so many riders within seconds of yellow, there could be attacks and counter attacks all day long. Then again, it could just be a bunch sprint. At least there is some compensation for not working this week.

Noticed a little feature on the TDF page for the stage routes..."through the geologist's eyes". That is so "random" as the kids say these days....but I'd love to be able to understand it. My 5th Form French isn't up to it.

Link: geologist's eyes

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 04/07/2011 10:44
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Thanks for the link borolad... that's right up my street... geology and cycling [:D]

This TdF looks like it could be the best for years, Contador will have to attack in the mountains and we'll get to see what Schleck is really made of.

Personally, I'm rooting for Evans, never really liked the bloke before, just seemed a right miserable sod, but he's warming on me.

borolad259 Posted on 04/07/2011 10:46
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For some reason Cadel reminds me of Tony RoXXXXXXr...a nearly man who doesn't quite deliver. Maybe he'll set me right this year.

Schlumberger Posted on 04/07/2011 11:10
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I know we are a couple of stages in now but I wrote this TDF preview for Sabotage Times (I should have linked it sooner)

Link: Blood, Sweat & Gears

borolad259 Posted on 04/07/2011 14:46
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Will read that in a bit Schlumberg....does James pay you by the way?

Cav's off the mark.

Schlumberger Posted on 04/07/2011 15:05
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Nope! this is the first thing I've written for him since Jack - in fact, apart from my music blog, it's the first thing I've really written for a long time. Just getting my self back in shape!

borolad259 Posted on 04/07/2011 15:51
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Cheers, I did wonder. I won't bust a gut to send him anything then. [;)]

earlofcoulby Posted on 04/07/2011 16:36
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Ten quid on Feillu at 50s [sad]

pierrequiroule Posted on 04/07/2011 16:54
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Another 25 yards and Feillu would have won it.

Cav's head wasn't right there - HTC hit the front far too early.

He'll be even more pïssed off now as he's lost his intermediate sprint points. Crazy. It's turning nto a non-contact sport like football. [:O]

VeeCee Posted on 04/07/2011 17:42
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Seems like the peloton are upset with Wigg.and have decided he won't win a stage.

It's all gossip of course[;)]

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 05/07/2011 07:58
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Cav had a right go at Feillu... said he's always causing havoc in the sprint... he had a point yesterday.

Wasn't helped by HTC getting the tactics wrong, as they said on ITV4, you could see Tony Martin look across when he took the lead thinking... "Already !!"

1finny Posted on 05/07/2011 08:06
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I've just seen the intermediate sprint 'incident'. There was nothing in it!!
Hushovd has even volunteered to take the penalty on his own. As Cav said 'what a gent'.

borolad259 Posted on 05/07/2011 08:27
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Cav is the Lewis Hamilton of road cycling.

Wonder who'll get today's stage? TV? Another for Gilbert? Gentleman Thor?

Capybara Posted on 05/07/2011 08:31
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Anyone else getting sick of Chris Hollins calling him Thor Hushvod?

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 05/07/2011 08:34
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Evans today [^]

1finny Posted on 05/07/2011 08:48
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'Cav is the Lewis Hamilton of road cycling.'

That's what you would expect from a Daily Mail headline.
A comment based on an extreme view rather than facts. [V]

borolad259 Posted on 05/07/2011 09:14
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1finny, it's a comment based on being a fan of both events and both sportsmen as a matter of fact.

Fastest driver/rider
Passionate/heart on sleeve persona
Risk takers
Prone to strops
Exciting competitors etc etc

Did you think I meant it in a pejorative sense?

t4tomo Posted on 05/07/2011 10:29
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Cav didn't get a lot of luck yesterday, and certainly didn't deserve to lose his intermediate points.

That said he looked very good in the intersprint and the way he came back from being taken out by Feillu at the end shows he is in decent form. Pity his team got the lead out completely wrong.

Gilbert to win today on his birthday I reckon, its certainly not a Cav stage.

pierrequiroule Posted on 05/07/2011 10:36
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Yes, it looks nailed on for Gilbert today especially on his birthday. All of his rivals know this too so he'll have all the stage contenders fighting for his wheel. The question is, can any of them stay with him when he decides to go? Expect a few late attacks perhaps to mess him about.

earlofcoulby Posted on 05/07/2011 16:10
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All set up for Gilbert but I`ve gone for Voeckler

borolad259 Posted on 05/07/2011 16:24
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What a finish! [^]

3 British riders in the top 10 of the GC.

sparkins Posted on 05/07/2011 16:27
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That was a quality finish - great to see the big guns all up there. With Contador losing that time on Stage 1 it has really made it interesting as the race proper often doesn't being until they hit the mountains.

borolad259 Posted on 05/07/2011 17:02
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Contador looked to be hurting there. Not something you see that often.

pierrequiroule Posted on 05/07/2011 19:48
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To be fair to him it wasn't his type of finish - not steep enough for the last km. Great slow-motion sprint though with most of the contenders at their limit, so much so that Gilbert was unable to use his usual late surge.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 05/07/2011 21:26
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Don't want to boast lads but I think you'll find I called it spot on [:D]

Just [;)]

1finny Posted on 05/07/2011 21:51
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Borolad - apologies to you. Wrong shot at wrong person from me. [^]

borolad259 Posted on 05/07/2011 21:54
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No worries. I haven't heard Cav do Ali G yet.

borolad259 Posted on 06/07/2011 17:45
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Another excellent finish today. I like how close things are so far.

7_The_Informer Posted on 06/07/2011 17:57
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Great finish from Cav. Can't wait until we hit the mountains though and the real race starts.

1finny Posted on 06/07/2011 21:16
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Cav did really well today - not really his finish. Sheer guts.
What about the farce in the intermediate time trial - he was, quite rightly furious.
Hell of a day all round.

pierrequiroule Posted on 06/07/2011 21:50
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Yes, a tough day with crashes galore. As someone said on a cycling forum, if they were like footballers there would be 50 riders abandoned already. Had to laugh at Sorensen when he crashed into the motorbike which then drove off with his bike attached.

borolad259 Posted on 06/07/2011 22:21
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The transcript of Cav's press conference at Cycling Weekly is worth a read.

Link: cav

pierrequiroule Posted on 06/07/2011 22:32
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[:D] You have to laugh at him. On a cycling board I use he was my tip for the win today despite the finish not suiting him. When he's narked he always pulls something out of the bag, but I must admit I didn't even think he was up with the leaders til the last few hundred metres.

borolad259 Posted on 06/07/2011 22:41
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[:D] He wasn't. The helicopter view of the final 100m was telling. He was out of shot until about 40m to go.

Texas_Pete Posted on 06/07/2011 22:49
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Here's to Amber the Dog [^]

pierrequiroule Posted on 06/07/2011 23:28
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Roundup of the more serious crashes.

Link: crash report

borolad259 Posted on 07/07/2011 08:10
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"involuntarily acquainted with the asphalt". [:D]
Hard fellas these...Bonen for that recovery ride...I wonder if he'll start today. Chavanel too...dislocate shoulder and then ride 200 plus km the next day. Madness.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 07/07/2011 08:24
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Pierre.... I wondered what happened to Sorensen's bike... now I know [:D]

Rider of the day was Voeckler... he's just everything you'd hope a cyclist would be, never gives up.

I tipped Cav yesterday too.... that's two days on the trot for me [^]

Off to study the stage today and I'll come back with my hot tip.

borolad259 Posted on 07/07/2011 09:26
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Another stage almost designed for Gilbert. Perhaps Cadel will have another pop.
Going to go with Hushovd though.

t4tomo Posted on 07/07/2011 09:53
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Cracking ride from Cav and he wasn't using the HTC train, he just darted from wheel to wheel, tucked into Thomas who was shifting and then powered through.

He's upset Feillu though - being called arrogant by a Frenchman is going some!

Last KM looks a bit steep for Cav today. I reckon Gilbert will have a decent chance or someone like Millar or Cancellara might have a dart off the front with a couple of kms to go.

hendrieswondergoal Posted on 07/07/2011 10:05
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Gilbert today for me. He is showing a real interest in the Green Jersey, attempting to contest the intermediates too.

Finish is perfect for him or Hushovd again, but I'll go Gilbert. There's only another 2 proper flat finishes in the whole race, so if Gilbert wind today he knows he's got a genuine chance of keeping Green.

pierrequiroule Posted on 07/07/2011 12:39
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Well Boonen and Chavanel started, but today is the longest stage - although they'll be glad the wind is on their backs.

A 5 man break is already established with a lead of 8 minutes. If the sprinters teams can't agree who does the work we could have the break going all the way.

If not I'll take a punt on Vinokourov today although it will be a bit of a lottery.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 07/07/2011 12:55
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I can't see past Cav again.

It was a steep last 3k yesterday and he hung on and showed he had the beating of Gilbert.

It'll be close again, but definitely Cav for me.

I'm ducking out of the thread now... don't want to know anything till I watch ITV4 later.

Supermac Posted on 07/07/2011 13:15
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I think the break stays out today, if it all comes back il go with boasson hagen

sparkins Posted on 07/07/2011 13:16
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I am expecting Gilbert to be there or thereabouts today again. I just can't see Cav doing it two days running, having read his post stage comments yesterday, he has definite chances tomorrow having won there in 2008 and my guess he will keep his powder relatively dry today.

Kilburn Posted on 07/07/2011 13:29
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It's possible that the combination of today's rain and all the crashes yesterday will mean the peloton doesn't commit fully to chasing and the break stays away. In which case Anthony Roux could end up in yellow. As he is french, I wonder what the tour commissaires can cook up to make sure it happens?

pierrequiroule Posted on 07/07/2011 13:41
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Well they don't always get things right, that's for sure Kilburn, but I think it's unfair to say there's a national bias. I'm not even sure that all commissaires are french, in fact I'd be surprised if they were.

sparkins Posted on 07/07/2011 13:42
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it's a possibility Kilburn, but the gap is down from 11.5 mins to under 9 with HTC pushing things along - their DS has told letour website they are trying to set it up for Matt Goss today. On verra as they say in France

BigCasino Posted on 07/07/2011 13:46
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Question - whats the earliest break ever that stuck ? (I don't know the answer)

borolad259 Posted on 07/07/2011 16:19
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Another great finish...anyone's race 200m out. This is the best first week to a tour that I can remember.

sparkins Posted on 07/07/2011 16:22
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agreed borolad - bit gutted as I had a a bet on Goss at 25s - he was just a bit late getting moving. Great result for Sky though - real breakthrough for them.

BigCasino Posted on 07/07/2011 16:23
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Exciting stuff.

I know nowt about it but I reckon if they'd got Cavendish in that position he'd have done those two over the final 200.

sparkins Posted on 07/07/2011 16:30
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I don't think Cavendish was ever in the hunt today and HTC had been replrted as saying Goss was the guy they would try to win the stage with. Didn't quite work out for them, but Cavendish was probably very wise to try and stay out of trouble with the big hill before the sprint, very wet roads and the longest stage of the tour in his legs. Tomorrow Cav will notch up his second stage of the year without a doubt.

pierrequiroule Posted on 07/07/2011 16:35
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Well done supermac for the prediction and a big [^] for Geraint Thomas who again gave a perfect leadout - Sky's man of the Tour so far in my eyes.

sparkins Posted on 07/07/2011 16:43
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Great shout Pierre - I wonder if there is any chance of him usurping Wiggo as the team leader later in the Tour if his form continues as it is currently, or whether his time will come further down the line.

Big_Shot Posted on 07/07/2011 16:45
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After the last break on ITV4, Gary Imlach said that Mark Cavendish had fell off the back of the main group before they went back to the commentary. However, Phil Liggett and Paul Sherwin mustn't have been aware of it as they were talking of him still being in the hunt.

borolad259 Posted on 07/07/2011 16:45
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Yes, well done Supermac.
I'm having a problem with this whole Team Sky thing. Instinctively I like seeing Thomas, Wiggins, Swift etc doing well...but then I have that bit of acid reflux when I think of the Sky/Dirty Digger connection.

At least with Cav I have an HTC Desire....something that I actually like. I'll be really XXXXXXed next year.

I have a few cycling mates who have a real downer on Wiggins for his team switch.

MKredleaderOne Posted on 07/07/2011 18:48
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A cyber pint for anyone spotting a BORO shirt along tomorrows stage.

pierrequiroule Posted on 07/07/2011 19:58
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@ borolad Fortunately cycling is not like football in the sense that we tend to follow/support individual riders rather than teams. That has always been he case, but then I'm getting well on and maybe there's a new (and not particularly welcome) trend towards tribalism amongst the new influx of fans who are perhaps less aware of the history of cycling.

@ sparkins I don't think Geraint or the management are set on his role yet - it will just evolve. I personally think he'll be an excellent classic or short stage race rider. He won the 5-day Bayern-Rundfart in May.

MK - I'll be out on the road tomorrow too - but not in a Boro shirt (I'm too old for that type of thing) look for a VeloVision T-shirt instead. [^]

MKredleaderOne Posted on 07/07/2011 20:53
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Where are you heading for, I'm thinking somewhere about halfway.

I can't make my mind up whether to head for Le Mans or Rouen for the night.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 08/07/2011 07:25
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Good site to whet the appetite for the mountains to come....

(I love the site that this refers to)

Link: TdF Mountains

t4tomo Posted on 08/07/2011 09:38
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Good for sky to get the monkey off their back in terms of a first stage win today. lets hope Thomas or Wiggins or Swift can get one later on - maybe the TT for Wiggins?

Can't see past Caavendish today - he didn't push himself yesterday and today is a flat stage and flat finish and he won his first ever stage here.

Interestingly the "Intermediate" sprint is quite near the end, so the sprinters teams may be tempted to chase down any breakaway by the first sprint meaning the biggest points will be up for grabs, or they may not want their big guns tiring thier legs with only a short time to recover before the big sprint.

borolad259 Posted on 08/07/2011 16:17
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Wiggins looks Kaput!

Harry_x Posted on 08/07/2011 16:19
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Doesn't look like he's going to get back on the bike at the moment [B)][DFS]

BigCasino Posted on 08/07/2011 16:20
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Don't look good at all. Doesn't seem to be in massive pain but aint moving his arm at all. [|)]

earlofcoulby Posted on 08/07/2011 16:23
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Wiggins is out

7_The_Informer Posted on 08/07/2011 16:23
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Official from Sean Yates (team manager) - Wiggins out of race with suspected broken collarbone.


borolad259 Posted on 08/07/2011 16:25
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This may give Thomas more of a go ahead....although he has a mountain to climb today...on a flat stage.

pierrequiroule Posted on 08/07/2011 16:52
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They'll try for more stages as he's in the 2nd group at 1 minute 40 with BH @ 10k to go. Bad day for Sky.

My last day too as I'm off cycling and walking for a fortnight with no TV or internet access. Hope I can find a newsagent to buy l'Equipe. [:D]

earlofcoulby Posted on 08/07/2011 16:58
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HTC too early again?

earlofcoulby Posted on 08/07/2011 17:02
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Merci Cav

Zoophonic Posted on 08/07/2011 17:04
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Shame about Wiggins alright but can't help thinking and he's crashed a couple of times in the race this year that great great cyclists avoid these situations. Maybe I'm being harsh.

Supermac Posted on 08/07/2011 17:30
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I don't think that's to harsh, look at where hincapie is making cadel ride, where the schlecks are riding, gesink is riding. Wiggo has been content riding midpack all race , far too dangerous as today proved , gutted for him still mind. Tomorrow should be excellent

MKredleaderOne Posted on 08/07/2011 20:09
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I was at the finish and I must say the French know how to organise the day. Troute through the town closed off by noon. Barriered off with crossing points.

Lots of sponsors giving away freebies, the town itself giving away t-shirts.

It must have cost a fortune to stage.

I was involved in the last Milk Race and this made our efforts (which didn't come cheap) look like a Sunday League outfit against a Premier League set up.

I guess that's where they're different to us they don't mind spending cash on events in the community and gives the area a bit of publicity.

Oh and they still cheered on those coming in well after the leaders.

pierrequiroule Posted on 08/07/2011 21:04
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Not the Tour de France but things are looking bleak for poor Mauricio Soler who had that terrible crash in the Tour of Switzerland.

Link: Sad news

BigCasino Posted on 09/07/2011 15:20
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This first bit of altitude is spreading em out a little [^] love it.

borolad259 Posted on 09/07/2011 17:03
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Had to listen to the end of the stage on my way back from the Durham Miner's Gala. 5Live, good as it is, doesn't really do it justice. Can't wait for the highlights tonight now.

borolad259 Posted on 10/07/2011 14:58
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TV has the yellow jersey on the road after the crash and truce in the peleton.

Schlumberger Posted on 10/07/2011 15:52
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Did I hear right? Vino has crashed and is out? Not sorry to see the back of him. (not that I would wish any nasty injuries on anyone though)

BigCasino Posted on 10/07/2011 15:56
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The fcuk appened there? car took two of the leaders out, sheeesh!

earlofcoulby Posted on 10/07/2011 15:59
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Driver wants stringing up. That was fcuking terrible.

borolad259 Posted on 10/07/2011 16:35
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Very nasty indeed. Some very unlucky riders this week.

Not sure many will be sorry to see Vino out.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 11/07/2011 12:42
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Great stage yesterday.... really happy to see Voeckler in yellow... one of the good guys.

Crash with the car was horrendous, but to be fair to the driver, he didn't have a lot of choice... if you look at the video there were two motorbikes right up his @rse, if he'd have stuck his brakes on he'd have wiped them both out... not sure he was paying much attention to the road though not to see that tree sooner.

Big problem is too much traffic and not enough road room... is there really any need at all for a tv car to be that close to the riders, I thought that was what the motorbikes were for ?

Fair play to Hoogerland... unbelievably understanding afterwards.... riding on when you need 33 stitches takes some XXXXXX.

Link: Hoogerland's injuries

Muttley Posted on 11/07/2011 12:51
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Just caught up with yesterday's highlights and Hoogerland was both unlucky and incredibly lucky in the space of seconds. Unlucky to be catapulted from his bike by the wiped out Flecha and then lucky to hit the barbed wire rather than one of the metal posts!

Tough fella though to keep going, cojones of titanium I'll warrant!

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 11/07/2011 12:57
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He did hit the fence-post, fortunately it was wooden and not concreted in, one of the photos shows him with it alongside him having come out of the ground.

borolad259 Posted on 13/07/2011 09:29
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A Cav day today...last shout for him before the big hills. I'm glad I'm not working for the next few days.

borolad259 Posted on 13/07/2011 09:37
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I've just looked at the 3D animated video for today's route on the Tour site. They have had exactly the same text in the panel to the right of the video every day so far...but today, kind of makes sense.

Link: route video

borolad259 Posted on 13/07/2011 15:29
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Still looking like a Cav day. Good to see it raining there.

Buddy Posted on 13/07/2011 16:25
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BigCasino Posted on 13/07/2011 16:36
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Got the Vert Shert too

borolad259 Posted on 13/07/2011 16:53
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He needs to win in Montpellier I think...Gilbert will try to sneak points before Paris.

borolad259 Posted on 14/07/2011 08:07
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Now it really starts....I can't wait. Attack attack attack. I'm glad I'm editing at home today....better get it all done this morning, as I can't see much getting done this afternoon. The Open on as well.
Be fun to see if Cadel is the real deal this year.

Buddy Posted on 14/07/2011 09:16
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Really can't warm to him. I don't imagine the wasp he's chewing is too impressed either.

borolad259 Posted on 14/07/2011 10:13
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He has promised but failed to deliver too many times for me. I'd rather one of the Schlecks won....or, actually, it would be the best result for cycling if TV defied the odds and remained out in front.

Buddy Posted on 14/07/2011 10:16
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Last year there was an inordinate amount of fuss about the Col du Tourmalet for days leading up to it. They're up there again today and haven't mentioned it as far as I can remember.

BigCasino Posted on 14/07/2011 10:19
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TV would be given sainthood if he won. The locals interviewed on Dutch tv were ecstatic when he got the yellow, if he actually won the reaction would be immense.

Can't wait for today leg like.

borolad259 Posted on 14/07/2011 10:24
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It's hard not to love the way he goes about racing....always always looking to attack. He fails....he looks knacked....then he goes again. Great to watch.
He'll struggle in the mountains, but he's such a tough competitor, he'll make a fight of it.

sparkins Posted on 14/07/2011 10:42
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I totally disagree Buddy, I find him one of the more engaging and interesting characters in sport - totally driven, a bit unhinged, says exactly what he is thinking instead of the sanitised platitudes the majority of image conscious sporting robots come out with. Above all he is totally dedicated to what he does - winning stages. Despite being a classic alpha male, he is also completely aware that while he ultiately has the glory, he owes everything he wins to his domestiques and lead out men. His interview post race yesterday was great, describing the ride of Griepel the day before as technically the best sprint he had ever seen from anyone, but the press would rather focus on his more controversial comments.

borolad259 Posted on 14/07/2011 10:47
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I think Buddy was referring to Cadel, not Cav.

Buddy Posted on 14/07/2011 10:57
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I was. Good paragraph though, and all spot on. [smi]

Edit: I did point this out the other day, which was posted a couple of hours after the sprint Greipel won.

Link: Sportsman

sparkins Posted on 14/07/2011 11:06
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That'll teach me to read the whole thing before comenting Buddy [:I]

Cadel is an odd bird that's for sure!

otto62 Posted on 14/07/2011 11:25
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As an aussie I may be biased (cough) but I like Cadel. The camera doesn't love him, nor he the camera, like some of the more glamorous or smiley riders, but he comes across to me as genuine and not stuck up.

(Am I allowed to say, I also like to think he's drug free, which would put him at something of a disadvantage.)

sparkins Posted on 14/07/2011 11:31
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I don't dislike Evans per se, he is just a bit peculiar sometimes - great rider and tough as old boots as last year's tour showed when he rode a large part of the race with a fractured elbow and still finishing 26th.

borolad259 Posted on 14/07/2011 13:09
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Thomas in a breakaway leading peleton by 9 mins. Approaching sprint, so not too many points available for green jersey contenders.

1finny Posted on 14/07/2011 13:22
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I was at the stqge yesterday to see Cav win. It was awesome. I was right on the finishing line. Chatted to the Isle Of Man schoolkids who were over to see him. They had met him the night before and he said he was gutted at being beaten by Greipell. He promised them he would win.
Off to the bastille celebrations in Carcassonne today. Bonne Journee

Muttley Posted on 14/07/2011 13:27
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Cav grabs 9pts from intermediate sprint. Which I think clearly shows that he wants to win the points competition this year not just pick up stage wins. Mind the look of delight when he was told he'd got green last night was pretty convincing too!

sparkins Posted on 14/07/2011 13:51
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Very jealous o both counts 1finny - real bonus with Cav winning yesterday too. Carcasonne is a lovely little town - should be fun.

borolad259 Posted on 14/07/2011 14:10
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Thomas crashes.

BigCasino Posted on 14/07/2011 14:16
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TV down at the same spot. I thought thomas was off into the blue yonder there like.

sparkins Posted on 14/07/2011 14:17
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Was it a big spill? Is he back up and running?

borolad259 Posted on 14/07/2011 14:24
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Yep...not too bad I don't think, but TV has just had to change bikes and is off the pace.

sparkins Posted on 14/07/2011 14:32
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That's a relief - pleased to see him showing up well today.

BigCasino Posted on 14/07/2011 14:35
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Just started Tourmalet now [^] fit fcukers aint they?

borolad259 Posted on 14/07/2011 16:12
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Rock on Tommy!!! [^]

borolad259 Posted on 14/07/2011 17:47
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Excellent stage today and quite telling. Contador gapped by the Schlecks and TV hanging in there with the best climbers on the tour. Sanchez deserved the win too. It still looks very open...Evans looked knacked to me.

Capybara Posted on 14/07/2011 19:56
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'Last year there was an inordinate amount of fuss about the Col du Tourmalet for days leading up to it. They're up there again today and haven't mentioned it as far as I can remember.'

Didn't the answer come in the commentary on the highlights just then? 101 years since they first did it on Le Tour. Ergo, last year was the centenary.

sparkins Posted on 14/07/2011 20:10
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They also went up Col du Tourmalet twice if I remember correctly as it was the centenary. Jeez that looked like a tough stage today.

09_dave_09 Posted on 14/07/2011 20:24
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Off to montpellier for the weekend hopefully see Cav secure green (almost). Cant watched the tour for years but never been before!

borolad259 Posted on 15/07/2011 08:31
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Picked up an interesting snippet this morning re. yesterday's stage. When Lance Armstrong won on the final climb to Luz Ardiden in 2003, he climbed it 2 mins quicker than Frank Schleck did yesterday.

Less gruelling stage today.

borolad259 Posted on 15/07/2011 16:26
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Nice one Thor. Have you seen the size of that man's thighs. Jeez.

sparkins Posted on 15/07/2011 16:38
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You have to hope someone like Hushovd is clean, as theoretically speaking him winning a mountain stage in the Pyrenees, is simply incredible, as it doesn't fit his profile at all. I hope it is just down to all the big guns keeping their powder dry for tomorrow which looks like a beast of a stage again.

Would have loved to have seen Roy hold on today, I love to see a lone wolf triumph but alas he couldn't quite hold on - every day when I take a look mid afternoon he seems to be in some kind of breakaway - I bet his team sponsors love him.

borolad259 Posted on 15/07/2011 17:50
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I thought he was going to cry today.

Agreed re. Thor...though he has always been more than just a strong man sprinter. Hopefully his advantage is a natural, physical one rather than anything sinister.

borolad259 Posted on 15/07/2011 19:39
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Touching piece on Laurent Fignon today. His epic duel with Greg Lemonde was the first tour that I remember with any real clarity. I'd been aware during the Merckx/Hinault era...but that was the tour when I started watching avidly.

BigCasino Posted on 16/07/2011 09:56
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Should be a cracker today. I fancy Andy Schleck might show well. Not that I know owt like but an interesting point is that every rider who has previously won at Plateau de Beille has gone on to the win the Tour that same year.

borolad259 Posted on 16/07/2011 11:09
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And they are off....with a "lunatic attack". Live on ITV4 already. That's me glued here for the next 5 hours.

BigCasino Posted on 16/07/2011 11:30
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[^] I don't get English commentary until half 2 though [V]

borolad259 Posted on 16/07/2011 13:05
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It's all quiet so far. Rooting for TV to hang in there.Beautiful day. Beautiful scenery.

Rayman Posted on 16/07/2011 16:06
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Is it just me who is very annoyed by the crowds antics?

borolad259 Posted on 16/07/2011 16:18
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I'm too busy screaming encouragement at TV...inspired ride. I hope to XXXXXX he's clean. This is awesome.

BigCasino Posted on 16/07/2011 16:24
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Bit disappointed with Schleck there. Coulda made some time up if he'd had a proper go.

earlofcoulby Posted on 16/07/2011 16:29
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Hope I`m wrong but Tommy Voeckler is doing remarkably well for someone who`s not known as a climber.

borolad259 Posted on 16/07/2011 16:32
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I'm not sure he could. Maybe he is keeping his powder dry for the Alps. That Galibier and Alp D'Huez section will be a killer.
I'm just rooting for Voeckler to keep the lead right the way to Paris. He's one tough little XXXXXX.

borolad259 Posted on 16/07/2011 16:36
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That's my worry too EoC, though he has always been incredibly tough.
Remember he defended through the Pyrenees against Lance Armstrong back in 2004. He's more mature now.

dooderooni Posted on 16/07/2011 16:59
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Fantastic ride from TV to keep yellow.

AS is far too conservative and spends too much time looking for his brother when he's got the legs and lungs to attack without any assistance.

Not sure whether Contador is sand-bagging or whether he's genuinely not on top form(drugs).

borolad259 Posted on 16/07/2011 17:34
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Voeckler will get a rest now before the wouldn't put it past him to jump away again on the road to Gap this Tuesday. That would really XXXXXX the mountain boys off.

borolad259 Posted on 16/07/2011 18:58
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The Science of Sport is a great blog to keep track of, particularly during the tour.

They haven't put today's analysis up yet, but the one for stage 14 is a good read. Look back in time to their previous stuff (Contador in 2009 for instance) and you get a real insight into what is going on physically.

They seem to be concluding that the ceiling for riders' power output is about 0.3 to 0.4w per Kg less than it was in "dirtier" days.

Link: sports science

borolad259 Posted on 16/07/2011 19:08
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ANother great article in Forbes about the riders calorie intake.

Link: fuelling the tour de france

borolad259 Posted on 17/07/2011 09:37
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A Cav day today? He'll want it for sure. Big wide run to the finish.
Cross winds to be the issue today, especially early on. Potential for carnage as the peleton tries to form echelons to get out of the wind.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 17/07/2011 12:32
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Top article that one about power borolad...

I know I climb at 4W/kg and can keep this up for an hour... 6W/kg would be 420W for me which is unbelievable... I could do this for 5 minutes before passing out.... and I'm fit.... these cyclists, even when clean, are on a complete different level.

borolad259 Posted on 17/07/2011 12:37
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There's a whole section on their blog devoted to doping...with a good deal about doping in cycling. It is fascinating stuff. The piece about EPO and the performance benefits is enlightening.

Link: EPO

Buddy Posted on 17/07/2011 12:59
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On the subject of Contador, if his performance "drop" is entirely chemical, he's only just got it out of his system, because he was strongest by far in the Giro. Maybe that's what's taken it out of him - how long does it take to recover from a three week Tour to be 100% for the next one?

Listening to the talk about timeouts yesterday it struck me that the regulations are geared to the climbers. If the percentage allowed is SMALLER the slower the stage average speed, that means there's much more chance of getting timed out on a difficult day than an easy one, which seems designed to get rid of sprinters rather than genuine back markers.

borolad259 Posted on 17/07/2011 13:14
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Contador may be carrying fatigue in his legs from the Giro, something he acknowledges. He is also carrying an injury.
Even without doping, he would be up there on talent.
Of the front runners, Voeckler and Cadel are the least likely to be doping (IMO). Basso looks like he is riding clean (ie, four minutes slower yesterday than at his "peak".)

I hope (but have little confidence) that we are seeing a cleaner race this soon as we see power output results of around 6.4w/kg, we can assume that we are seeing a cheat I think.

BigCasino Posted on 17/07/2011 16:15
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5k out and Cav should do this. Needs to keep an eye on the Kraut (Greibel?) anyhow it'll be a phook up if he don't.

BigCasino Posted on 17/07/2011 16:21
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Buddy Posted on 17/07/2011 18:16
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Sports Personality of the Year without any doubt. I knew the result before I saw the end and STILL punched the air...

Muttley Posted on 17/07/2011 18:20
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I thought it was going tits up at one point about 1k out when the other teams were launching attacks to try to disrupt the HTC lead out train. In fact one in particular looked borderline for an exclusion as the attacking rider almost stopped in front of Tony Martin.

Once Cav "launched" though, you knew there was only one winner. Awesome performance and should probably win the points competition barring disaster in the Alps.

borolad259 Posted on 17/07/2011 18:23
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The Green Jersey is his to lose now...he'l be after the Champs Elysee win too.

Another great (long) piece on the sports scientist blog .... a reflection upon yesterday's epic stage. He makes a good point...if that were one of the big names in Yellow, we'd have been cooing over the way he controlled the stage.

Link: sports science

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 19/07/2011 11:21
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Glad the rest day is gone and I can look forward to some great days in the Alps and then Cav winning in Paris to seal the Green jersey [:D]

Interesting interview with Flecha on the incident with the car and Voeckler's response.... sounds like sour grapes to me, after all they were going for the stage win not the yellow jersey and in that case it's every man for himself.

Based on another article there, I'll go with Goss today too.... although Gilbert will be trying his socks off.

Link: Flecha

09_dave_09 Posted on 19/07/2011 12:28
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Just got back from weekend in Montpellier, what a day at the finish line. Exciting great atmosphere and also got a Picture of ITVs Phil Liggot taking a XXXXXX. Green in the bag now?

borolad259 Posted on 19/07/2011 13:36
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Transition stage today. Thor to win again I reckon.

I wonder if Voeckler will go for it on the final descent. He's mad enough. He's the best thing to happen to the tour for years.

Humpty Posted on 19/07/2011 13:57
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zzzzzz [:D]

09_dave_09 Posted on 19/07/2011 13:59
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Would really like to see some aggression from some of the big names in the next few days. Think they are all holding back to much so far.

zaphod Posted on 19/07/2011 14:02
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I agree, Dave. The big names are concentrating more on not losing it than on winning it.

Humpty Posted on 19/07/2011 14:03
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you want them to growl and start shouting insults whilst they're cycling alongside each other?

09_dave_09 Posted on 19/07/2011 14:05
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No that happens all the time want some more attacking on climbs or maybe one of them take a chance on a break give the others a scare.

Humpty Posted on 19/07/2011 14:06
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do they every ram/crash into each other on purpose? Now that would make things interesting.

In fact they should introduce primitive weapons like clubs and rocks.

(no guns or knives thats just irresponsible)

09_dave_09 Posted on 19/07/2011 14:08
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This tour iv seen more carnage than a full season of footy. One thing these fellas are is tough. Cycling 200km a day with 30 stiches or riders who have carried on with broken bones.

Humpty Posted on 19/07/2011 14:09
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respect to the sport itself. i just find cycling boring. i'll leave you in peace.

09_dave_09 Posted on 19/07/2011 15:25
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borolad259 Posted on 19/07/2011 16:23
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SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 19/07/2011 20:23
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Well, that was a turn up for the books...

Andy Schleck in snivelling little wuss shock.

Grow some bollox you big puff.

..Thor clocked at 112km/h the other day.... it's like that Schleck you little girl.

borolad259 Posted on 19/07/2011 20:40
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That was good today...a surprise attack...a short but dangerous descent ... a breakaway victory...Cadel matching Contador and Voeckler only actually losing 4 seconds of his lead...despite hitting his "ceiling".

To cap it off with a pathetic whining Schleck crying to the cameras....all good.

borolad259 Posted on 20/07/2011 14:45
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Picking Thor was easy yesterday. No idea today!
I'd like to see them all attack Schleck A on the big descent after his outburst yesterday.

7_The_Informer Posted on 20/07/2011 14:46
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What did Schleck say yesterday, I didn't see any interviews...

Kudos to Cadel yesterday, he has been really good this year so far...

BigCasino Posted on 20/07/2011 14:59
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Patrick Nathanson interviewing Norwegian fans on 5live

"Does the terrain in Norway lend itself to this type of riding? or is it mainly flat? [|)][ref] thick terrwaaat!

borolad259 Posted on 20/07/2011 15:06
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EH? Most 6 year olds would know that Norway has mountains. Silly bugger.

Schleck basically moaned about the finish being after a big descent...because it's dangerous...and he doesn't like them....and he lost loads of time.

BigCasino Posted on 20/07/2011 15:10
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He aint gonna be happy today then, everyone questioned on 5 live reckon the final descent to Pinarolo is positively dangerous. But, as they say, it's the same for everyone. Gonna be interesting fitting the Pelaton down there.

BigCasino Posted on 20/07/2011 15:51
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Hibbert off the descent twice. Could be carnage in the pelaton

Buddy Posted on 20/07/2011 16:21
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Very vocal commentary on Eurosport concerning how to win a Grand Tour you have to be good at ALL THREE of going up, down and along.

EBH rather blew them away and managed not to end up in someone's back yard. Should get bonus seconds off his time or something for winning like that.

borolad259 Posted on 20/07/2011 17:21
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I was very surprised and disappointed to see Tommy in the lumber yard. All he had to do was sit on Cadel's back wheel. Still, he's that sort of rider...ever the chancer.

Great ride from EBH. Brilliant descent by Cantador too...and you don't need EPO for that!

7_The_Informer Posted on 20/07/2011 18:12
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Not sure it was a great descent by Contador, the Schleck's caught up with him at the finishing line.

The problem for Tommy Voeckler was that he went too wide at the top (after being on Cadel's wheel) and lost a few seconds so was trying to get it back later when he went into someone's front garden, just like Hivet did a few minutes earlier.

Tomorrow is going to be the real decided though, a great mountain stage with 3 HCs I think!!

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 20/07/2011 20:36
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It was a great descent by Contador, I saw his back wheel twitch a couple of times, he was right on the limit.

The fact that the Evans/Schleck group caught him was no surprise, the last couple of km were flat and a group of 7 or 8 is always going to catch a group of 2 on that.

Shame for Voeckler, he went balls-out as usual and it didn't pay off... not enough time left now over the next few days to keep Contador or Evans at bay.

borolad259 Posted on 21/07/2011 09:39
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This is it. An absolute brute of a day. All the cyclists are tweeting their dread. 3 MONSTER climbs. The highesy finish ever in the tour greets them at the 16 days of fatigue plus 3 monster climbs and they throw altitude into the mix. 27C at the start...3C at the there's cold and sleet and rain as well (according to Meteo Fr.). If there's one stage of the tour to watch, this is it...embrace the schadenfreude.

CommanderComcast Posted on 21/07/2011 09:46
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There was a few feet of snow up there the other day wasn't there? Fair play to the riders. Will the downhills after the climbs be anything like they were yesterday? They were mental. Like Schlek said in the interview, if that'd been in the rain it'd have been carnage. Just as well that fella left his parked car round the corner on his drive with Voekler and everyone running off into it.

dooderooni Posted on 21/07/2011 09:47
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As it's a national holiday here in good old BE I'll be sat infront of Eurosport watching the Tour be (potentially) won today.

Brilliant ride from EBH yesterday though, putting the distance in on the up slope and forcing the chasers to go balls out on the descent was the perfect tactic. They showed some real guts attempting to nail that descent.

7_The_Informer Posted on 21/07/2011 10:05
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What's BE?

Today will be tough. My boss will be at work. He normally only shows up once every fortnight and ho chose today of all days when there's the TDF hardest stage and day 1 of England-India from Lords.

I guess my DVR will take a hammering....

sparkins Posted on 21/07/2011 10:06
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My guess is BE is Belgium but could be wrong

dooderooni Posted on 21/07/2011 10:06
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Belgium. It's National Day so expect "one of our boys" to make some noise on one of the climbs at least.

They are partial to their cycling here.

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 10:11
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What kind of MENTAL country has a public holiday on a Thursday?

Whereabouts in Anarchyland are you dood?

sparkins Posted on 21/07/2011 10:13
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It made me smile the other day in the stage in the Pyrenees won by Vanendert, that in these days of technical base layers, windstopper panels etc, that at the top of the climbs the riders were being passed yesterday's copies of Le Figaro to stuff down their jerseys to prevent chill. There was something rather quaint about it. It reminded me of some old boy I used to play village football with 20 years ago who didn't have shinnies but used to put paperback copies of The Famous Five down his socks instead [smi]

dooderooni Posted on 21/07/2011 10:16
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Stalker Alert!

I work in Mechelen and live in an outlying suburb of Antwerp [;)]

If I can get over my "man flu" then I shall be getting XXXXXXed in Ghent this weekend as part of the Gentse Feesten. A friend of mine lives there and some of the photos she's shown me of the De dag van de lege portemonnees (the last day of the festival when the locals really let loose) beggar belief. It's like the Bigg Market meets Saving Private Ryan apparently.

sparkins Posted on 21/07/2011 10:17
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dooderooni - based on his showing in the Pyrenees and his showing yesterday when he rode confidently alonside the GC contenders Vanendert will probably be the man - looked a serious climber in the making. Although his slightly reserved comments suggest he is apprehensive of what lies ahed over the next couple of days

Two men are well ahead of the others in the climbing classification and Jelle Vanendert knows he has to keep a close eye on his main rival, Samuel Sanchez...

"I’ll have a good look at the others and see if it’s possible to defend the polka-dot jersey. It is particularly important for me to be ahead of Samuel Sanchez, otherwise I’ll lose it. But this knowledge still won’t help me to sleep well tonight.
“It seems that the stage to Alpe d’Huez is easier than tomorrow, but with only 107km, it’s also likely that it’ll be raced very quickly, and we’re not used to that. So there may also have big differences.
“Tomorrow there are three big climbs and I know of none of them. It’s weird, right? So we’ll see how I manage...”

Capybara Posted on 21/07/2011 10:17
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France had one last Thursday.

Oh, and I'll be passing through Mechelen AND Antwerp briefly next week. I'll give you a wave.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 21/07/2011 10:17
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Ahhh Mechelen...know it well, used to work on and off at KBC bank.

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 10:20
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Had fleeting visits to both Antwerp and Ghent in the past but not seen the city centre in the latter. Belgium's reputation in Britain is almost wholly undeserved IMO.

borolad259 Posted on 21/07/2011 10:20
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The magazine down the jumper thing is normal. Effective, disposable, quick and easy to sort out....generally their idea of temperature regulation is moving their zip.

dooderooni Posted on 21/07/2011 10:21
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As you go past Mechelen Noord on the E19, that will be your best shot of catching my eye Capy.

sparkins Posted on 21/07/2011 10:22
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Yeah I know, it still made me smile - some times the old methods are still the best

dooderooni Posted on 21/07/2011 10:24
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That's a good point actually Buddy. Apart from their inability to agree on anything important and the fact that horse is part of the diet, they are a nice bunch of people.

Capybara Posted on 21/07/2011 10:29
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If my train is on the E19 then I guess giving you a wave won't be the first thing on my mind.

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 10:29
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The E19's a ROAD dood. The chances of Capybara being on it are slim, I would imagine.

Edit: see? [smi]

dooderooni Posted on 21/07/2011 10:34
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Good God man, does your fascination with the train know no boundaries?

As an aside, in a past career, I worked for the firm that built the tunnel segments that form the walls of the service tunnel for the Channel Tunnel. Please don't let that little nugget cause you any stress though, I was and still am, very talented at what I do [:D]

I have some Cava in the fridge chilling for a Vanendert Victory.

t4tomo Posted on 21/07/2011 10:36
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defibnately quicker that faffing around with a wind jacket, which Voeckler was doing at the top of ydays climb.

Damn lucky that chap left his gate open, never mind moving his car round the corner. Voecklers bunny hop was pretty neat - maybe a late career change to BMX beckons.

Should be a cracking stage to day. almost last chance saloon for a lot of the contenders to put some time into Evans / C*ntador ahead of the TT. Sanchez has a real chance today and although team Schleck will try, I just don't think Andy has the legs and Frank hasn't the balls to leave his bro behind.

borolad259 Posted on 21/07/2011 13:53
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Voeckler fighting with his packamack again! Still in touch though with one brutal climb down.
Fantastic scenery today.

09_dave_09 Posted on 21/07/2011 13:55
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I think Cadel will get hold of the yellow today. If he does then I think its his. Would love to see Voeckler hold on tho.

borolad259 Posted on 21/07/2011 14:08
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I wish he hadn't gone for that balls out descent Mark and Lard would have said "No NEEED!"

The moment Voeckler cracks will be a sad one.

borolad259 Posted on 21/07/2011 14:12
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Got to love him, he just attacked!

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 14:48
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dooderooni Posted on 21/07/2011 15:16
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Love the Eurosport commentators having a pop at the Schlecks [:D]

Fair play to Andy, he's going for it today and the yellow jersey group have got their work cut out to bridge the gap now.

sparkins Posted on 21/07/2011 15:31
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good to see Schleck finally growing a pair - could be agreat finish to today's stage

sparkins Posted on 21/07/2011 15:35
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Wouldn't be surprised to see Sanchez get back up to the leaders by the top of the Galibier

BigCasino Posted on 21/07/2011 15:37
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TV blowing a bit there. Looks like Schlecks grown a pair - maybe.

LA_Boro Posted on 21/07/2011 15:43
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great stage this

BigCasino Posted on 21/07/2011 15:44
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Spooky turn of phrase there. Monfort's gonna earn his wages in this afternoon. He'll be right puffed out by the top.

borolad259 Posted on 21/07/2011 16:34
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Fantastic stage. Awesome performance by Schleck. Also by the XXXXXX is he still there?

sparkins Posted on 21/07/2011 16:38
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Best stage of Le Tour so far this year - incredible ride.

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 16:41
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Cut off time is 33 minutes, out of interest.

borolad259 Posted on 21/07/2011 16:53
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One of the best stages I can remember. Who would have bet on Contador being dropped by Tommy Voeckler? That man has unbelievable guts...but now, he KNOWS he can climb.

Well done to baby Schleck.
Come on Cav.

09_dave_09 Posted on 21/07/2011 17:02
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simply WOW!

dooderooni Posted on 21/07/2011 17:05
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That was brutal.

I hope this has not blown TV out too much because he deserves to win this Tour.

After his performance on the descent yesterday when he fought back to retain yellow and then today, he's proven that he's worthy of winning this war of attrition.

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 17:11
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Cavendish group out of time...

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 17:15
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...should be OK though as there's a Frenchman in it [;)]

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 17:19
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I'm going to call this as follows:

Cavendish will ride on without a points deduction, because the rules allow the organisers to extend the cut-off time if less than 80% of the starters make it - and only 46% did.

zaphod Posted on 21/07/2011 17:54
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Voeckler looked half-dead once he'd crossed the line. I hope he's not knackered for tomorrow.

ClaireSmith Posted on 21/07/2011 17:56
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Big_Shot Posted on 21/07/2011 18:04
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Great stage, altough a shame for Andy Schleck that he didn't get all the time he needed to take yellow. So its set up for another good stage tomorrow. However, although not necessarily the ideal yardstick, I was looking back at the result of last years time trial and I noticed Schleck was 3 minutes faster the Voeckler. Obviously the circumstances now completely different. But is Andy Schleck a better time trialist than Voeckler?

zaphod Posted on 21/07/2011 18:09
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Cadel Evans is a better time trialist than Andy Schleck, so it's really in his hands now, subject to what happens tomorrow.

Voeckler keeps surprising everyone, so maybe he has more surprises up his sleeve.

Muttley Posted on 21/07/2011 18:11
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Late to this as I've been watching on ITV4+1!

But what a stage! Voeckler was superb I hope he can go on and win it.

Rock on Tommy!

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 18:23
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Hmmm. Looks like Cav HAS been docked the points. That seems like a "let's take this competition to Paris" decision to me.

Big_Shot Posted on 21/07/2011 18:32
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Yeah, I know that Evans is a better time trialist than Schleck. The commentators have mentioned it many times. But they seemed to ignore the merits of Voeckler at the same discpline.

Edit: Just looking on a few sites and some people reckon Voeckler is a weak time trialist.

Kilburn Posted on 21/07/2011 19:45
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Anyone have any idea if there is a precedent for the 20 point deduction?

Half the riders in the race came in in the same group as Cavendish, 35:40 behind. All of them were deducted 20 points, but for every one of them apart from him the 'penalty' was entirely meaningless. Cavendish's only remaining points rival finished just inside the cut off time, making the deduction crucial to him.

No wonder Cav is paranoid that the tour organisers are out to get him. They certainly give every impression of being.

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 20:14
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I don't know about a precedent Kilb, but it is in the rules.

Elimination coefficients

Finishing times may be adapted under exceptional situations (weather conditions, blocked roads, serious accident or incident, etc.) according to the assessment of the Stewards’ Committee, with the agreement of the race management. If the percentage of eliminated riders rises above 20% of starters in the stage, permitted finishing times may be increased upon the decision of the Stewards’ Committee, with the agreement of the race management. It is understood that the riders who finish within the new permitted times will qualify for following stages, without a precedent being set for the rest of the race.

Possible exceptions

The Stewards’ Committee may exceptionally allow one or several particularly unlucky riders to qualify, after informing the race management. In this case the following factors will be taken into consideration:
• the average speed of the stage;
• the point at which the incident or accident occurred;
• the effort made by the rider or riders delayed by such incidents or accidents;
• the possible degree of impassability of the roads.

As these finishing times are calculated in relation to the winner of the stage, disqualifications resulting from the decisions once taken by the Stewards’ Committee and made available thereafter cannot in any case give rise to an entitlement to any exception for any rider.

In the event that competitors who have finished after the cut-off time are reinstated by the race officials’ committee, the equivalent number of the points assigned to the winner of the stage concerned will be removed from the reinstated competitors’ scores in the general individual points classification, even if their number of points in this classification becomes negative as a result.

Kilburn Posted on 21/07/2011 20:46
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Ah. I'm just being paranoid on his behalf then.

Sounds like there's a danger of a lot of riders missing the cutoff tomorrow too. If so, I guess he'll have to try to mark Rojas if possible so that it's either both or neither who are penalised.

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 20:53
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I originally read the rules as saying that the deduction would apply if riders were exceptionally reinstated, rather than the time cutoff extended because half the peloton missed it. But the way the paragraphs are set out it could mean both.

Buddy Posted on 21/07/2011 21:29
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Gilbert lost 20 points as well.

7_The_Informer Posted on 22/07/2011 03:49
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Just finished watching it now. Tomorrow will be interesting at Frank Schleck is going to be fresh after sitting on the back of the bus going up the mountains there.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 22/07/2011 06:26
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Contador looked like he had nothing left at all... for the rest of the season, one hill too far for him.

Andy Schleck didn't look too great tbh, certainly the last couple of km were killing him, that will affect him today.

Evans looked great, even though he put the effort in he didn't look too spent at the end.

Frank Schleck looked like he'd just sat on the bus all day, which he had.

Voeckler collapsed over the line but that was his effort in the last 500m to try and rein in Frank and Cadel.

So today... Voeckler will hang on to Andy Schleck, Evans and Frank Schleck to get some time over Voeckler, but he stays in yellow again.

As for the TT... dunno yet.

It's great this.

borobadge Posted on 22/07/2011 09:29
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Andy Schleck should win...overall !

sparkins Posted on 22/07/2011 09:36
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My money is shifting very rapidly to Evans - he has ridden a very canny race - in previous years he always seemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and invariably seemed to hit the deck or lose time unnecessarily. This year he has ridden very prominently at the front of the peloton and avoided the major crashes - he looked ominously strong going up Galibier yesterday.

earlofcoulby Posted on 22/07/2011 09:45
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Todays stage sees them tackle the Galibier from the other side, which is a lot more difficult than yesterdays ascent. Then they`ve got the legendary Alp de Huez. A true fcuking killer. This`ll sort the men from the boys.
Hope Voeckler can keep this up, but my head tells me Evans will be wearing yellow in Paris. Moaning aussie XXXXXX!

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 22/07/2011 09:52
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Alpe d'Huez is no killer, it's easier than the Galibier... in fact todays Marmotte stage is not too difficult, apart from the fact it's after yesterday.

Most of them will make it up AdH in 40 minutes.

I can't.

borolad259 Posted on 22/07/2011 10:01
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There is no telling how the exertions of yesterday will affect each of the riders.

Andy Schleck may feel that he needs to take more time out of Cadel. Frank Schleck is obviously going to attack....with the aim that both brothers are on the podium. Voeckler will be hanging on for dear life. He was climbing on mental strength alone yesterday...maybe he will concede defeat today.

Capybara Posted on 22/07/2011 10:04
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I hope not. From a purely human perspective I hope he can still win it, but it's unlikely. I don't like Evans at all and Schleck Jnr went down in my estimation with his whining the other day.

borolad259 Posted on 22/07/2011 10:09
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I will, of course, be rooting for Tommy. Whatever happens, he has ridden his way to "hero" status.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 22/07/2011 10:11
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Voeckler for me too... fingers crossed... if not I'll accept Evans.

Epitomises "pain is temporary, pride is forever"

earlofcoulby Posted on 22/07/2011 13:06
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`Alpe d'Huez is no killer, it's easier than the Galibier... in fact todays Marmotte stage is not too difficult, apart from the fact it's after yesterday.`

I meant the stage as a whole will be a killer. Any decent club rider should be able to tackle the Alpe D`Huez if they`re fresh. Different kettle of fish if you`ve just been racing round France for the past couple of weeks.

Buddy Posted on 22/07/2011 14:04
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Well, there's the whole Tour right there...

earlofcoulby Posted on 22/07/2011 14:10
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Shyte or bust for Contador or is he just trying to upset the applecart?
Surely he can`t keep this up for long.

BigCasino Posted on 22/07/2011 15:04
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TV going through the wringer right now. He's a tough phooker though, surprising he's french [:O][ref]

Buddy Posted on 22/07/2011 15:08
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What is the point of having the sprint at 15km to go, well after this lot?

Buddy Posted on 22/07/2011 16:22
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Average speed so far is about 36kph I THINK. If it comes in under 34kph the cut-off will be 13% or about 24 minutes. Very rough estimate.

earlofcoulby Posted on 22/07/2011 16:45
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Cav will be deducted again no doubt. Where`s Rojas?

Buddy Posted on 22/07/2011 16:47
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Dunno. Info on the back markers is somewhat limited.

Buddy Posted on 22/07/2011 16:53
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Winning time 3h 13min 25sec

Av speed 34.00kph

Cut-off 13%

25 min 9 sec?

Buddy Posted on 22/07/2011 17:11
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Gilbert's in.

Buddy Posted on 22/07/2011 17:18
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And the pack is out by about 20 sec. Not sure about Rojas.

petedreadnought Posted on 22/07/2011 17:31
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I think Rojas was in behind Cavendish, or at least that's what the Eurosport commentators were saying.

Shame to see Voeckler lose the Maillot jaune, brave effort from the bloke, so I'm hoping Evans or Frank do the biz tomorrow.

Big_Shot Posted on 22/07/2011 17:48
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Cavenish and Rojas both docked 20 points.

borolad259 Posted on 22/07/2011 18:17
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Another epic stage. Rolland really deserved his prize after keeping TV in yellow for so long.
The Tour de France is the greatest sporting test in the world and the greatest spectacle too (I reckon).
Some titanic performances this week: Contador, SChleck junior, Cadel and especially TV....whose idea of scientific training is to check which way the wind is blowing when he gores out for a ride.
Perhaps he'll get sorted with some smaller cogs for climbing before next year...and maybe train with the GC in mind next year.

7_The_Informer Posted on 22/07/2011 20:15
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A truly great days racing today. Evans should be set in the TT tomorrow but you never know what inspiration Andy will have, especially as he's leaving the gate last and will know what he has to do.

Considering that Contador/Sanchez formed a partnership and Schleck/Schleck obviously were in cahouts, for me, the ride of the tour so far has been Cadel Evans. He is the one who kept TV in yellow yesterday and TV offered him no help at all. Again today, he had to do the hardest work on his own.

People have gone on and on about TV but he's not a GC contender realistically. He gained big time early in the tour because he was never seen as a threat and rightly so. He will lose a few minutes tomorrow to the big boys in the TT and, whilst finishing top 10 overall, won't be near the top. If he goes away and works on his riding for an attack on the GC, he won't be allowed away on a flattish stage (only 3 and 4 category climbs on stage 9 when he gained 4 minutes on the field). Not that I'm saying he hasn't shown any guts as he has, but he's just not an overall contender.

borolad259 Posted on 22/07/2011 21:02
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Well, we'll see. But we'll have to wait until next year.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 22/07/2011 21:35
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I have to disagree about Voeckler... he's always had guts and ability, just lacked that little bit of belief.
He's no mean TT'er either so won't be embarrassed tomorrow.

I think he'll be working on his weight and his climbing this winter and he'll be a real contender next year... it's not like he was ever really dropped by any of the so called "real climbers" at any point apart from AdH today... they've all had off days.

Contador will be banned next year.... Schleck is not as good as he thinks he is and Cadel will be happy with his one win this year.

sparkins Posted on 22/07/2011 22:01
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Agree totally about Cadel - a great ride. I have also collected a nice little ante post on Sanchez for KOTM so all in all a good day [smi]

7_The_Informer Posted on 23/07/2011 03:42
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"Contador will be banned next year.... Schleck is not as good as he thinks he is and Cadel will be happy with his one win this year."

Agree with that completely.

Buddy Posted on 24/07/2011 07:28
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I'm not sure how you'd KNOW that Cadel's happy mind.

I'll go back to what I said at the top of the thread - I'm not a massive fan of the time trial, and especially not as the decisive stage. Just has a sense of anticlimax to me.

borolad259 Posted on 24/07/2011 11:16
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The good thing about having the time trial at the end like that Buddy is that it leaves doubt over the mountains. When the time trial happens before the mountains, you can get a situation where the leader going into the mountains only really has to mark one or two other riders....they know exactly what they need to the second.
I think the TT yesterday was great...Cadel showed that he really is the real deal, not a nearly man...and sent a message to the climbers that they will have to attack even harder in the mountains next year.
One of the best TdF finishes ever was the LemondevFignon epic, where the TT was the final stage onto the Champs was decided by seconds and was riveting.
I hope Cav gets his reward today...I doubt he'll have things his own way mind.

As an aside, the Science of Sport people have been consistent with the message that the sport appears to be much cleaner now...something they can measure by analysing the power output of the riders. The days of superhuman 6.4w/kg ridesup the mountains look to be over.

Link: sports science blokes

pierrequiroule Posted on 24/07/2011 12:07
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Well I managed to see only the 1st week of the Tour but read L'Équipe every day from cover to cover (even saw two mentions of the Boro and one of Darlington[:D]) but did plenty of cycling, which is what it's all about.

I can see where the Informer is coming from re Voeckler but disagree in that winning the Tour is all about being proactive and making the most of your opportunities OVER THE WHOLE 3 WEEKS - something the Schlecks failed to do.

I'd have loved Voeckler to hang on, but Cadel is a worthy winner in his place.

I also see where Buddy's coming from re the time trials (both individual and team) although I'm out of step with my cycling mates on this - I've just never been a fan. At least there was only one this year.

Buddy Posted on 24/07/2011 16:42
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CAV [^]

borolad259 Posted on 24/07/2011 17:17
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My favourite tour for a good while that one. It seemed to have a bit of everything and was close enough to be exciting in all departments right to the end.
Great to see Cav in green on the Paris podium and I even found myself warming to Cadel as he blubbed his way through his interview.

So that's it for another year. Good job the Vuelta is just up the road. I'm wondering how to get the wedge together to get down to the Cantabrian stages.

1finny Posted on 24/07/2011 20:24
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Just back from France today having seen Cav win in Lavaur and collect the green jersey. For the most part I managed to follow ITV4s coverage which was/is superb. I have watched the highlights tonight and was thrilled for Cav.
Since Friday I have followed french coverage mainly in bars.
More informed people than me have said what a great event this was this year. Personally I thought it was awesome.
The French who I met genuinely have respect for Cav and most of them were routing for Cadel (oncle Thomas faded).
This thread, by the way, has also been superb and I have appreciated reading it.[^]

borolad259 Posted on 24/07/2011 21:44
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Just re-reading some of it and noticed that the sweary filter took exception to Tony Rom inger. [:D]

Capybara Posted on 24/07/2011 21:47
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SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 25/07/2011 08:13
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Have to agree... great tour... probably the best I've seen in terms of competitiveness since the days of Hinault / Lemond / Fignon.

That'll be it for Evans... 34 now and I can't see him having the drive to go for any more... he'll also not be blessed with a TT the day before Paris next time.

One thing for sure, Wiggins would have been watching that at home thinking.... "b@stard, I could have won that"

borolad259 Posted on 25/07/2011 11:06
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Excellent piece by the estimable Paul Kimmage below, from the Sunday Times, but re-produced in The Austrailian. Good to see that he too thought this to be the best tour since the 80s.

It goes some way to explaining why Thomas Voeckler's fantastic efforts were being so widely cheered.

Link: kimmage

t4tomo Posted on 25/07/2011 11:24
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"One thing for sure, Wiggins would have been watching that at home thinking.... "b@stard, I could have won that"

We'll never know, but I can't help thinking that too. He's as good a climber as Evans and has a slight edge in the TT. It would have been very interesting.

Lets hope he has a crack at the Vuelta

Muttley Posted on 25/07/2011 11:37
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It was a great tour and a worthy winner in Cadel Evans. Great to see Cav win the Points Competition too and his credit to his team. I hope he stays with HTC rather than Sky for next year (who will probably not have a lead-out man like Renshaw.)

And yes, Wiggo must be thinking EXACTLY that!

Kilburn Posted on 25/07/2011 11:39
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Boo, no more TdF left. [sad] Wish the Vuelta got the same coverage.

Chapeau to Evans and Cav.

I think Wiggins might well have kept up with Evans over the mountains, but Evans TT performance was so spectacular that he would've done very well to match it.

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 25/07/2011 12:09
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Well, wiggo beat him easy on the same course in the Dauphine... ok, not 100% comparable but still...

Will be left watching the Vuelta on Eurosport [cr]

Can't rely on the timings, they make no effort to edit the highlights into a watchable format and I can only understand half of Sean Kelly's wafflings.... but that's all there is.

BigCasino Posted on 25/07/2011 12:22
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Yeah, was sad to see it finish. Just had to watch the ladies beach volleyball, Brazil 1 versus Brazil 2 [LOVE]

If I'm off work next year I think I'll get the mo'bike out and have a week down the Pyrenees and catch a few stages[^]

Kilburn Posted on 25/07/2011 12:24
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Wiggins did a 55.38 in the Dauphine TT over the same course, second to Martin at 55:27 with Evans back on 56:47.

At the TdF TT Martin won in 55:33 ahead of Evans at 55:40. An amazing improvement from Evans coming off the back of three weeks hard racing, given that most other riders who rode in both TTs were understandably faster at the Dauphine.

Of course when the Tour is at stake, riders can be inspired to do amazing things, so maybe Wiggins would have too.

Buddy Posted on 25/07/2011 12:24
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Eurosport have been more or less spot on with their schedules throughout the Tour, and the comment about Kelly is at best laziness in my view - I never have a problem with him.

You're right about the highlights though, and it applies to all sports, not just cycling.

borolad259 Posted on 27/07/2011 09:05
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AWESOME IMAGES as usual at the Big Picture

Link: boston globe

SmogOnTheRhine Posted on 27/07/2011 09:12
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thanks borolad.... superb pictures, particularly like the one with Contador punching that bloke (I assume it was a bloke)

BigCasino Posted on 27/07/2011 09:23
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Great snap of Ten Dam. Commitment or what?

pierrequiroule Posted on 27/07/2011 10:37
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Lovely shots.

Had to laugh at no.9 - the guy in the background obviously likes fishnet tights and doesn't particularly care who's wearing them. [:D]

sparkins Posted on 28/07/2011 07:33
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Incredible pictures Borolad - thanks for posting. Really enjoyable tour - one of the best in years - Schleck must be wondering what he needs to do - my guess is that unless he is banned Contador won't attempt the Giro / tour double again.

I started thinking about the way in which cycling is timed in the Grand Tours and Iwondered what the impact of individual timing would be as opposed to the peloton recording the same time despite being strung out. I am not sure what the logic or history is behind this, whether there is a perfectly valid reason or if it was simply too difficult to do with old technology - surely it could be managed in this day and age.

So would it be a good thing? would we see more positive riding? Would it lead to more dangerous finishes with everyone going hell for leather at the end of each stage? Or something else...?

Buddy Posted on 28/07/2011 07:40
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From a position of very limited experience I'd say it's probably dangerous. The sprinters manage to take up the whole narrow space between the barriers when there's only a dozen going for it, so I can't see 200 staying upright if they're all going for their own time.

sparkins Posted on 28/07/2011 07:42
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I think you are probably right Buddy - would be interesting to know what the result would have been on actual timings this year just for comparison's sake.