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onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 13:25
If you knew next season would be the same...

...as this, then would you accept Southgate as the manager?

If no then this season, and Gareth, has been a failure.
If yes then you've accepted relegation battles as the pinnacle.

Sitrep Posted on 24/03/2008 13:27
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NO

Scrote Posted on 24/03/2008 13:29
If you knew next season would be the same...

yes

and i do know next season will be the same unless there is a huge change in the rules to disallow manu, arse, chelsea and liverpool buying all the best players and winning the league

if you can't accept that boro are currently about the best we've ever been then you will never be satisfied and might as well just give up on football

given a good league season we can hope to get in the uefa cup but at the moment thats about it - its that realism that you keep harping on about without actually understanding what it means

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 13:31
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I think you are missing the point OTP (not unchartered territory for you I admit).

The point of football is the expectation. I see a lot of positives, more so than many seasons past.

neilg Posted on 24/03/2008 13:31
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YES and

















NO.

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 24/03/2008 13:32
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This season has to be seen as a dissapointment especialy after the cup disaster. I would still back Southgate for another season though, lets see how Alves does when he settles. Southgate is developing and learning he job in the spotlight and I think still improving. If we are still in this position at this time next year I think I would feel different.

NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 13:33
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That's all part of being a Boro supporter. The never ending thought that next season will be great, keeps the Boro deep in my heart, and it always has. Bit like the pain of childbirth for a mother, she's forgottten all that pain when the second one's ready to pop out.

I still firmly believe that Southgate is the man for the job, and we need to give him time. Alves will come good, and with one decent midfielder brought in, I reckon we've got a pretty decent team !

Time and patience is required !

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 13:34
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See Scrote's post.

Some people seem to forget who we are and where we came from.

Typical Sky generation supporters with unrealistic expectations.

neilg Posted on 24/03/2008 13:35
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Nedk - your right - i sometimes think we dont realise the potential weve got - teams "bigger" than us have done far worse and another 70 would love to have spent 10+ consecutive years in the prem.

prepman Posted on 24/03/2008 13:36
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neilg, your really funny.

neilg Posted on 24/03/2008 13:36
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thanx. giggle

heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 24/03/2008 13:39
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Financially we cannot compete with -

Man U
Chelsea
Arsenal
Liverpool
Everton
Aston Villa
Man City
west Ham
Newcastle
Portsmouth
Sunderland

With the exception of Everton and Arsenal all have had a major financial buy out and a shed load of dosh thrown at them. With more to come. Some are doing shyte - our local rivals - some have done extremelly well straight away.

The top clubs are buying all of the best players to stick in their reserve teams; we struggle geographically against the southern clubs.

So finishing 11th on our budget for a club of our size is'nt really that bad is it?

To comfortably break into the top 10 and stay there is going to require an enormous effort - one which I don't think financially we will be able to sustain.

Unless Gibson sells up, which long term could prove to be a disaster for the club, town and fans.

So next season, if we at least try to play better fooball and pass the fooking ball on the deck more than three times off the trot, and finish 10th - 11th it will have been a good season.

Improved football and scoring more than 1 goal at a time at the Riverside is imperative for next season - but I'm sure Southgate is aware of this.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 13:39
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Some of you can't read a simple question, or as is more likely are afraid to answer it.

The question is , if you knew, that next season would be the same as this, forget all the expectation and optimism qoutes, that next season would (not could ) be the same as this would you be happy with Southgate.

I accept it may be a painful question for some to answer.

asredastheycome Posted on 24/03/2008 13:39
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Scrote if you think this Boro team is the best you have ever seen you must have been supporting them about 2 months I reckon.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 13:42
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Ok calm down, the answer is yes.

It is yes because Boro are my club and I will follow them regardless of whether we have good football, big crowds, big name players, or a big name manager.

The one thing that tests my resolve is people like you.

NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 13:47
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Map, have you ever heard of people improving their abilities as they learn how to do their job ? Getting experience, learning from mistakes, gaining more and more as the person gets familiar with what's required ?

Does this need for a learning curve not count for football managers ? Gareth Southgate has kept us in the EPL, his knowledge is increasing all the time. Be patient, Sir Alex Ferguson was allowed to bed himself in, and build a team, surely we can wait for Southgate to do the same ..?

prepman Posted on 24/03/2008 13:47
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mr mappy,the question is to hard for a lot of them on here.cant you make it any easier than a straight forward yes or no.?

neilg Posted on 24/03/2008 13:51
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example of decent gaffas intro to experience:

martin oneil lost the first 9 games of his reign as leicester city manager.........

an we all know what they did to us...

along with players like

walsh
elliot
guppy
lennon
izzet

etc

....i know cus my mate keeps reminding me....

BrucieRiochsRedAndWhiteArmy Posted on 24/03/2008 13:52
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Well you would be looking to next season seeing as though you can't say we are going down. You are a miserable sod.

And the answer is yes.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 13:52
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Ned
I can accept all those things you point out, I can also start threads asking about them, but this isn't one of them.

I'm asking the question because none of us have the ability to see what will actually happen, it's therefore logical to ask the question based on this year and last years actual events.

Same next year, is he the man?

mat_evans Posted on 24/03/2008 13:52
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and if my auntie had a dick she'd be my uncle.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 13:56
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Can't do it eh Mat, can't answer a simple question based on what's already happened.


NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 13:56
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It's a ridiculous question to ask ! Due to the fact that there's isn't really a yes or no answer to it. I haven't accepted the relegation battle as being the pinnacle of the clubs achievements, season after season ! I see a bright future, and I see a decent bloke, in the manager's job, who is learning his trade ready to take the Boro up to the next level.

Space_Face Posted on 24/03/2008 13:56
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My answer is no.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 14:02
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You simply refuse to acknowledge that the likelihood is, Southgate has found his level.

Presumably this summers trip to the European Championships is going to turn him into a footballing genius.

It's not a hard question, or one that is hard to answer yes or no, it's far more ridiculous to ignore what has happened in the last two seasons, the actual facts, and to assume that a few months away from the game is going to transform the guy into some kind of master tactician.

BenJammin Posted on 24/03/2008 14:06
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If I knew next season would be the same as this then changing the manager wouldn't make any difference as I'd already know the season would be the same as this.

So I'd answer yes as I like Southgates interviews. Simple answer to a 'simple' question.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 14:08
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BenJammin

I'm doing some questions for the under 16s later, be patient.

Good effort though, I can see you've given it some thought.

zaphod Posted on 24/03/2008 14:11
If you knew next season would be the same...

Answer: Yes

But I will be filled with hope, as usual.

Scrote Posted on 24/03/2008 14:12
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mappy - i answered your question with my first word and then explained my reason - why is that so difficult for you to understand?

you ask loaded questions and then expect to be able to label everyone based on the parameters you've set out - F***wittery of the highest order and the reason you'll never be taken seriously by anyone on here

mat_evans Posted on 24/03/2008 14:15
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It's not a simple question though, it's a hypothetical question.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 14:15
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Scrote you thought I was replying to you apparently.

Sorry mate you've made it very clear that a relegation battle every year is fine , couldn't be clearer what your happy with.


r0bb0yeah Posted on 24/03/2008 14:19
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NO

who the F*** would we attract to play for us?

attendances will drop game by game..

players will get sick and want to move

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 14:19
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OTM 15 years ago a relegation battle every year in the PL would have been fine.

marskephil Posted on 24/03/2008 14:21
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I think there is an age thing here aswell.

I think that most of the fans over 30ish will go no matter what as they've been going for years and are used to the ups and downs of following Boro, there have been more ups in the last few years than downs and the newer generation of fans are have got used to this, therefore when things are not so rosy they'll fook off where as the older fans will probably stay. I'm fed up with what's on offer at the Riverside this year but by fook all that was forgotton a couple of weeks ago when everyone thought we were going to Wembley for the Semi's and then final. I'm still P***ed off now about that game, but like I say,"I'm used to it" so I'll get over it and as usual get my season ticket and look forward to next year.

Durham_Red Posted on 24/03/2008 14:21
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Yes,

but I expect an improvement on this season. And if that isn't delivered I would say a change should be made.

(btw by saying yes I don't agree that I've "accepted relegation battles as the pinnacle")

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 14:24
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Mat
Every question addressing future events is hypothetical, all you can do is rely on past events to formulate one.

The past two seasons suggest that we are in for roughly the same, Scrote has even spelt out why it's virtually impossible for us to expect anything more, a few others have pointed to finances as being the reason that nothing at all is likely to change.




Tom_Fun Posted on 24/03/2008 14:27
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"if you can't accept that boro are currently about the best we've ever been then you will never be satisfied and might as well just give up on football"

What are you talking about? It was only three years ago we finished 7th, four points off the Champions League. If you think this is the best we've ever been you have a very short memory.

Fischer Posted on 24/03/2008 14:29
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I'd actually like a proper, desperate, nail-biting relegation battle for a change, none of this "oooh, we're twelfth, but look we're only five points off Bolton who are fourth bottom, and they've got a game in hand, and if you look at our run-in..." etc.

That's a relegation battle for girls, that. We should be going into the very last game of the season needing to win away at some god-forsaken hellhole and hoping that Reading get a point away at Liverpool. Or something.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 14:30
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The season got some way to go yet Fischer.

Sitrep Posted on 24/03/2008 14:31
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When Gareth Southgate was appointed, my immediate thought was the FA Cup semi final against west ham, when gareth took an elbow to the face i think marlon harewood, was the player. He should have been sent off but didnít even get a card. Then listening to the radio on the way home all the west ham fans congratulating Gareth on not making a meal of it, a gentleman they said.
I knew then that Gareth was not manager material, what i want from a player/manager is to win at all costs and to take advantage of every situation.


gareth has had his chance, culminating in the debacle of reading and Cardiff,
He proved me right


Adi_Dem Posted on 24/03/2008 14:34
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Once again, mappie, you are unable to see anything but black and white. It is pointless engaging you.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 14:35
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Sitrep, if that anecdote is the strength of your arguement then you really need to do better.

Scrote Posted on 24/03/2008 14:36
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tom_fun - i'm including that in 'current'

again i suppose it depends how long you've been going but i think the last few years have been about as good as its ever been

the fact we're in our 10th straight year in the top flight speaks volumes

if i have to be a part of mappy's black and white world then i suppose i'm happy to be in the prem fighting relegation every season but tbh i'd prefer to think we can be in the prem trying to push on and break into the top ten and then maybe the top eight consistently

however as thats not one of mappy's options i'm not allowed to suggest it as a possibilty


Fischer Posted on 24/03/2008 14:37
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"The season got some way to go yet Fischer"

Stop trying to build my hopes up. If this was a proper relegation battle then we'd have been second bottom since October and pumping Mendieta full of steroids so he can play up front for us. As it is, this is just mid-table mediocrity. It's Boro - The Glory Years.

I used to love going into the final game of the season not knowing which division we'd be in when the final whistle went. I think we did it for about fifteen years running.

speckyget Posted on 24/03/2008 14:38
If you knew next season would be the same...

Presumably Sitrep you applaud in admiration as Ronaldo executes one of his trademark half turns with pike.

Sitrep Posted on 24/03/2008 14:40
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only when he's doing it against sunlun necastle i love it me.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 14:40
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Adi
I prefer the black and white option to the one you live in with your Southgate duvets.

Sooner or later reality will slap you awake.

Scrote Posted on 24/03/2008 14:41
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spot on fischer - it was bloody exciting

now all we get to do is whinge about having another season of top flight football and trips to arsenal, chelsea and manutd instead of port vale, hull and shrewsbury

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 14:41
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OTM - who would you replace Southgate with then?

Scrote Posted on 24/03/2008 14:42
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otm - "I prefer the black and white option"

closet jawdee

NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 14:42
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Here's some reality for you, Mappy ..

Your wrong, totally incorrect !!

And I'm right !!

Black and white enough for you ?

Sitrep Posted on 24/03/2008 14:43
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who would you replace Southgate with then?

a world class manager ofcourse

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 14:44
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Who would I replace him with? See who's available when he's sacked.

Paul Jewel would get us on the front pages about now mind.

marskephil Posted on 24/03/2008 14:46
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Actually Scrotem that's a shyte answer, I'd much prefer going back to the likes of port vale, hull and shrewsbury than arsenal, chelsea and manutd any fooking day. It was exciting once going there but not anymore. It was a much better laugh taking over them grouonds than going to all these new modern stadiums.

Mind you staying up on the last day of the season and then shouting for the players to come on for a lap of "honour", now that was success, never mind all these cup runs

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 14:48
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Come on Sitrep, have the courage of your convcition - name names.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 14:50
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Ned
Calm down. I just asked the question.

I may have asked one that you find uncomfortable though.

NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 14:52
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Don't tell me to calm down, I am perfectly calm.

Your question is crap !

and your wrong again !!

Scrote Posted on 24/03/2008 14:52
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i was talking about the teams not the grounds

as i posted earlier on a different thread, i used to feel almost sorry for the likes of coventry and southampton who had an annual struggle in the top flight against relaegation and that was the sum of their existence whilst we had the constant excitement of the yo-yo

now we're here i'd like to think we can use our presence in teh top league as a springboard to better things - if we aren't in the prem then we can't finish as a top 10 side no matter what we do

yes its a continual slog but at least we have a chance at the start of each season to do something special and its that possibilty that keeps me 'excited'


onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 14:53
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Ned

How can asking a question be wrong?

Juno Posted on 24/03/2008 14:56
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what are you on about you retard? you're twisting the question to get the answer you want.

It's like me saying, should the smoking ban be lifted...

if yes you agree with freedom of rights and ermm... people shouldn't have to stand in the cold.

if no... you're gay.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/03/2008 14:57
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Based on the most likely course of events, one of the top 4 will win the cup this year... Oh, hang on a minute.
Tested formula: OTM posts loaded question. People offer reasoned response explaining how the question is deliberatly restrictive & a lazy vehicle to attack the club. OTM questions their intelligence. All a bit boring now.
If u know next season will be like this, go & put 5 grand on us finishing in the bottom half. Money, mouth etc
Oh yeah, i forgot. Humans cant actually predict the future.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/03/2008 14:57
If you knew next season would be the same...

Based on the most likely course of events, one of the top 4 will win the cup this year... Oh, hang on a minute.
Tested formula: OTM posts loaded question. People offer reasoned response explaining how the question is deliberatly restrictive & a lazy vehicle to attack the club. OTM questions their intelligence. All a bit boring now.
If u know next season will be like this, go & put 5 grand on us finishing in the bottom half. Money, mouth etc
Oh yeah, i forgot. Humans cant actually predict the future.

marskephil Posted on 24/03/2008 14:58
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I agree with you on that, see waht I said earlier about the age of our fans, I do believe that most of the fans 30+ get more excited and passionate than the newer fans because they have got used to been in the prem and can't remember when we nearly went out of existence and all the shyte we had to follow for years.

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 24/03/2008 14:59
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It won't be the same though will it? We're two players away from top half.

Or one immense central midfielder.

The_same_as_before Posted on 24/03/2008 14:59
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Were safe with 7 games to go, not bad, better than most clubs of our size. It must be better to watch Notts Forest, Leeds, Leicester, Ipswich.....



Tom_Fun Posted on 24/03/2008 15:05
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Scrote, fair enough. I wouldn't see it as 'current' myself as it was under a different manager.

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 24/03/2008 15:11
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Yes like people have said we don't know whats gonna happen.

To Quote Joe Strummer "The Future is Unwritten"

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 15:13
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I'm just asking the question, it's for you to answer or explain why you can't.

If you see that as me insulting someones intelligence, I'd guess you didn't get out much.


NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 15:44
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I've walked away from you, and gone down the other end of the bar to stand with the normal people. Your all alone, at that end of the bar.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/03/2008 15:59
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I think it depends if he can get a couple of box to box central midfielders who can chip in with a few goals. Someone like juninho/hignett/emerson/merson/zenden type player. It cant get anyworse than this season can it?
Alves settled in by then and Tuncay finding form. Surely it must get better from here?

Fischer Posted on 24/03/2008 16:04
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"It cant get any worse than this season can it?"

Course it can, we're twelfth and we got to the FA Cup quarter final. Fifteen years ago we'd have held a civic reception for that and had the triumphant team brought to the Town Hall in an open-topped bus.

NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 16:05
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We had to cancel the open top bus, it was pishing down !!

sasboro1 Posted on 24/03/2008 16:08
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Fischer the football at the riverside this season is as bad as anything post 1986.

Fischer Posted on 24/03/2008 16:14
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It could easily get worse, though! You just don't know how to enjoy yourself properly. You need to learn to love scrappy 1-0 home victories over doomed sides, and interminable 1-0 home defeats to slightly less doomed ones.

I couldn't handle us being exciting, I'd get all flustered and embarrassed. I like things as they are.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/03/2008 16:17
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so when was the last time the home games were this dull and boring with devoid of any skill? probably go back to pre 1986

Fischer Posted on 24/03/2008 16:25
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I've enjoyed this season as much as any other I've ever watched, to be honest. I just take it all as it comes and apply basic Taoist principles to our results.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/03/2008 16:31
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So which games were memorable for you at the riverside, which ones will you remember next season?

Fischer Posted on 24/03/2008 16:35
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Cardiff. [:)]

I can never remember one game from another, to be honest, but that goes back about fifteen years. Before that I'm verging on the obsessive with memorising results, scorers and attendances, but it all seemed to stop when I was 21. It's down to my brain rather than the quality of football, though. It's the same in every aspect of my life, I can give you a Hi-De-Hi episode guide off the top of my head, but I've currently no idea as to the whereabouts of my car keys and wallet.

Which is a worry, as I need to go out in about 15 minutes.

Dynamo Posted on 24/03/2008 16:49
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You can bleat all you like about the answers your getting Mappy. Its a stupid question anyway cos nobody knows what its going to be like next season. I don't know if its all gonna go mammaries up next term, or if its going to be exactly the same, or if the players that Southgate says need time to bed in finally get to grips with playing in The Premier League and take the league by storm. What I do know though is that I will be there to all the home games and possibly some of the aways cos they are my team and I'll support them through thick and thin. As things stand, the only real victorys we can achieve this season are to avoid relegation, which for a club like ours is a victory, and to stay above the Skunks and the Mackems. Only small victories I admit, but victories none the less, especially seeing as our crowds are always much less in total than theirs are.

Obviously that isn't good enough for you, but then again, supporters like you never get to a point where it is good enough for them, thats why I usually ignore them.

I know you don't like people to say this, but I hope that we will improve next season. Not only that, I believe that we WILL improve next season. I like the way Gareth conducts himself and I also believe he's been a great ambassador for the club ever since he first came here. I also like the fact that after the Derby game he didn't try to gloss over the faults with the team. What he did say was that yes it wasn't very good at times, but he will do his best to get the team to iron out the problems and do better in future, rather than try to gloss over all the problems and make a big deal out of it being a win. For me, that means at least he's trying to head in the right direction.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 17:00
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Dynamo

I asked the question, thats all. I've not even posted my opinion on here let alone argued it.

If you're happy with dross then so be it. Some of us like to see a club that at least tries.

Tell me, against Cardiff, which players heroics inspired you?

NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 17:06
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Map, are you a complete nutcase ?

Here's where you posted your opinion ...

If no then this season, and Gareth, has been a failure.
If yes then you've accepted relegation battles as the pinnacle.


Condemning everyone who tried to answer your ridiculous question, as being happy with relegation battles ..

Now, wake up .. and stop this shenanigans. I'm too old and bold to be arguing with someone who pretends to be an halfwit !!

Dynamo Posted on 24/03/2008 17:10
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I've seen you opions in plenty of other threads so don't try that cr@p with me.

I believe the club is trying. I don't think there was any lack of effort in Saturdays match.

Whats the Cardiff match got to do with this thread anyway? I was very disappointed about the performance and the result, but hey, its football and sh!t happens. It doesn't mean its going to happen again next time. If I believed that then I wouldn't bother.

Nobodys making you bother are they?

Dynamo Posted on 24/03/2008 17:12
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NedKat Posted

Now, wake up .. and stop this shenanigans. I'm too old and bold to be arguing with someone who pretends to be an halfwit !!

----

He's only pretending?

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 17:14
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Ned
What else realistically is there to ask if next season is actually the same as this one?
If it is going to pan out the same way (and I accept it's only an if) based on the last two seasons it's hardly an outrageous assumption.

I'm not condemning anyone to any particular view. If you think that the last two seasons are totally irrelevant to any argument then that's an opinion I would say far more likely to be the preserve of the halfwit.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 17:17
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Dynamo
"Whats the Cardiff match got to do with this thread anyway?"

The Cardiff debacle was the defining moment of this season.In years to come it'll be that match that you read of as the match that shaped the Southgate era.

NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 17:19
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You did condemn everyone to your own answers, it's up there ^ on your first post ... You posted your opinion, and then ripped everyone who thought differently apart.

Now your trying to tell me what I think ... I have never mentioned the last two seasons being totally irrelevant ? Where do you get this from ? Do words and pictures just appear into your head .. ?

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 17:25
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Ned

What then do you base your future expectation of Southgate on, if not his track record that is?

I suspect it's no more than blind faith, because in reality there is nothing else whatsover.

NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 17:27
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That's your trouble ! You suspect !

I expect Southgate to improve in his position as manager. I also expect you muppets who have the knives out for him, to give him some time !

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 17:29
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No. I suspect you can't answer the question.
I'll repeat it:

"What then do you base your future expectation of Southgate on, if not his track record that is?"

NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 17:30
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I posted my answer a long time ago .. here it is in case you missed it ...

Map, have you ever heard of people improving their abilities as they learn how to do their job ? Getting experience, learning from mistakes, gaining more and more as the person gets familiar with what's required ?

Does this need for a learning curve not count for football managers ? Gareth Southgate has kept us in the EPL, his knowledge is increasing all the time. Be patient, Sir Alex Ferguson was allowed to bed himself in, and build a team, surely we can wait for Southgate to do the same ..?



NedKat Posted on 24/03/2008 17:33
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*********** THIS THREAD IS NOW DEAD. I AM NOW CONVINCED THAT MAPPY CREATES THESE THREADS SIMPLY IN A CHILDISH ATTEMPT TO GET ANOTHER TON POST. THERE CAN'T BE ANY OTHER REASON FOR IT, AND I'M NOT PLAYING THOSE SILLY GAMES ANYMORE *******************

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 17:34
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So basically he'll get better because Fergie did?

That's the sum total?

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 17:36
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Not exactly the best argument I've ever heard, nevertheless it's an opinion, but you really should take my advice and calm down.

You're shouting at a computer screen.

Dynamo Posted on 24/03/2008 17:38
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onthemap Posted

Dynamo
"Whats the Cardiff match got to do with this thread anyway?"

The Cardiff debacle was the defining moment of this season.In years to come it'll be that match that you read of as the match that shaped the Southgate era.

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Rubbish. We were knocked out at the same stage last season and I bet you can't even remember who by. It wasn't that long ago that getting to the quarter finals of the FA cup was something that just never happened to Boro teams. These days its regarded by people like you as a failure. Shows how much the club has progressed over the years.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 17:42
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You think presumable Dynamo, that last year we had as realistic a chance of winning he thing?

Very good.

mr_maz Posted on 24/03/2008 17:46
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If i knew that next season we would have more of the same...

well if its the same mappie posts i would consider drastic measures.

i can take the poor football but some of the stupid stuff he and some other miserable self doom and gloom posters come out with begger belief.


Dynamo Posted on 24/03/2008 17:54
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If I didn't think we had a chance of winning the thing I wouldn't have gone to the games. I wouldn't have gone to any game if I didn't think we had a chance of winning it. I even thought we had a chance of turning over Arsenal here at the Riverside earlier on in the season. Sometimes I am right.

midoshead Posted on 24/03/2008 18:00
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Mappy we all know your a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to how your wanting Boro to perform. It obvious your wanting them to do well and you do vent more often than not on this board which is fine cos thats one of the reason why this board is here!

As for the boro next season I personally would not be happy with another season like this one but what needs to change?

I think Southgate inherited a poor squad with 2 fantastic strikers at the time. Since Southgate started to manage Boro we have lost all our fire power. I cant help but think id rather have Massimo or Job back than Alves playing for us at this moment in time.

Of the players that Southgate has brought to this club i can only say i like Tuncay and Young.

The rest I wouldnt be to bothered about cos i dont think they have filled a gap and this season shows that our club has not moved forward from the days of winning our 1st Major trophy.


Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 18:15
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The test of whether a signing is a good one or not is if they improve the team.

There is not many that haven't, with only The Gook coming into that category and he cost next to nothing.

Sothgate inherited a squad that was built my SMAC for instant success i.e. players at the end of their careers in many cases and to make matters worse he lost our two top scores before the season started and then our (allegedly) best centre half.

Given all of this I think we should be grateful that we are still in the PL.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 18:33
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Seemed a shame not to let it click 100.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 18:36
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Jonny
Don't encourage me btw.
"Given all of this I think we should be grateful that we are still in the PL."

That's a very fair and reasonable opinion. I'm just disgusted that we threw away the FA Cup.


Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 18:40
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As am I, but then so are the Manure and Chelsea supporters etc etc.

The truth is they bottled it on the day. The theory that they didn't try is just ridiculous IMO.

Part of the blame has to go with the manager I have to say, but its an experience that he will (and has) used to our advantage.

red_shamrock Posted on 24/03/2008 18:50
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Losing in the cup still hurts...so did losing in the finals...and against Wolves and Orient all them years ago.
Disappointment goes hand in hand with supporting a club like the Boro I will always go doesn't matter who is in charge or what division we are in,I always have and I always will.
These days just now are special regardless of which way you look at and you will get over the disappointment.

bblf Posted on 24/03/2008 19:13
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heaton_mersey_boro, great post. Id even add Blackburn to that list as they have a Trust income every year as well as the Sky money. Some people will never accept that we are a small town club doing our best to compete.
Im happy finishing 11/12/13/14 and every 5 or 6 years throwing a top ten in.
Some posters will only be happy if we get relegated as then they will steam in with their told you so's.
Funnily enough when we drew at Villa and Arsenal the pillock who is the most negative stopped posting for a day or two. He must have been devestated with the results.

He also gets a lot of replies from people who don't realise hes a Mackem troll.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/03/2008 19:19
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"Funnily enough when we drew at Villa and Arsenal the pillock who is the most negative stopped posting for a day or two. He must have been devestated with the results."

WOW! 2 draws. FFS, where are supporters ambition?

bblf Posted on 24/03/2008 19:24
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You not happy with 2 points from them 2 away games. You are hard to please.

almeria2005 Posted on 24/03/2008 19:26
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OTM you asked ned if his answer that gareth was going to improve was BLIND FAITH surely that is what being a Boro supporter is all about for over 50 years that I have been following the Boro blind faith that there is always a better season coming is what keeps you supporting your team when you know because of finance it is going to be a uphill struggle every season.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 19:44
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almeria

This years FA Cup debacle had nothing to do with finance. Cardiff humiliated us on the pitch in all departments.

The thing that's surprising are the numbers on here who seriously think that all there is to management is buying expensive players.

No matter what the price tag is they still need managing. Look at Mido, he aggravates an injury because he wouldn't leave the pitch when ordered to so, and is then allowed to become grossly overweight and unfit (please don't say there was no way he could have been kept reasonably fit).

The answer to the striking problem? get Alves on for four minutes in a snowstorm.

Southgate is turning into David Brent.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 19:48
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I actually quite like David Brent.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 19:50
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Is Dawn Jasper Carrots daughter? I was told that the other day.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/03/2008 19:51
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Correct-a-mundo.

almeria2005 Posted on 24/03/2008 19:56
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Can you gaurantee me that without Southgate next season will be better than this ,whoever is manager supporting your side is about Blind Faith...the hope you wiil always have a successful season but we have temper our hopes due to the finance,Barnsley v Chelsea was nothing to do with finance either

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/03/2008 19:56
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Your main problem seems to be around the FA cup defeat. You even said Johnny Ingbar's view that GS has done well to keep us in the same league position was "very fair". So...

Everton were knocked out at Goodison by Oldham this year. It had nothing to do with finance.

Straight question, a yes of no answer will suffice, should david moyes be Everton manager next year?

Yes or no.

If you say yes then you think Everton fans should be happy to be trophyless every season.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 20:03
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Moyes looks like he may get them into the Champions League.

Wouldn't you swap then?

sasboro1 Posted on 24/03/2008 20:04
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everton have been pushing for a champions league place. they are 23 points ahead of us.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/03/2008 20:05
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Sorry, it was a straight yes or no question. Was that too difficult?

Try again.

(I'll also be doing some questions for under 15s later if you are patient)

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 20:06
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and doing it with our centre forward, who's been proved exactly right to want away!

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 20:10
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Stabilo

Yes
Moyes should and will be manager at Everton who are 23 points ahead of us, with our centre forward playing for them, and pushing for the Champions League.

The answer is Yes.

Sitrep Posted on 24/03/2008 20:10
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Everton and Chelsea both fielded weakened sides, we played our best available

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/03/2008 20:12
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Good.

So you accept that a team with more finances, a more illustrious history than us and a larger fanbase should be happy to win nothing and to stick by a manager who failed miserably in the FA cup.

Interesting.

sasboro1 Posted on 24/03/2008 20:18
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if it is down to finances the why are reading and wigan near us in the league.

And why cant we be where blackburn are when they have spent less money than us?

Is football now just about how much you spend and less about the quality of the manager?

redwurzel Posted on 24/03/2008 20:22
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Yes hopefully we will finish 12th and win our league within a league.

The question should be is there a lot better manager out there that wants to manage us.

Comparing us with Everton is interesting.

They have average crowds of 40000 and we average 27000.

They have a national fan base and we don't.

They have won the top league on a number of occasions and major cups.

They have never been outside the top flight.

They bought Yak without having to sell.

Any Boro manager that competes with Everton is doing an excellent job as SMac did and was well criticised on here in his time as manager.

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/03/2008 20:22
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Sas, you mean it's not that black and white?!

You mean, you can't distill things down to yes and no questions?

sasboro1 Posted on 24/03/2008 20:27
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everton have had a good season we have had a shyte season

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 24/03/2008 20:34
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I think you know my point was simply to illustrate the pointlessness of the cut and dry, yes / no approach Onthemap continually uses on here. You can twist anything to back your opinion. (Oh and I know he only does it to wind people up - not sure if that makes it more pathetic or not)

I think Everton have had a good season. Moyes has won nothing in the 5 or 6 years he's been there. His sides don't play attractive football. Yet of course they should stick by him as he's making slow progress in an increasingly competitive environment.

Just as Boro should, and will, stick by Southgate.

alvesdad Posted on 24/03/2008 20:41
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Well Mappy you have certainly got this one wrong.
I have been going to watch the Boro since the 1950s yet season after season we watched rubbish it came with been a boro supporter. We won nowt but the odd title ie under Jack charlton Until Gibbo came THEN WE HAVE HAD THE BEST YEARS BEEN A BORO SUPPORTER EVER! IN THE HISTORY OF THE BORO.If you say next season to be the same as this season i for one wil say YES YES YES BECAUSE UNLESS YOU CAN TELL THE FUTURE MAPPY WHO KNOWS WHAT NEXT SEASON WILL BRING

grantus Posted on 24/03/2008 23:19
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[:D]onthemap playing the village idiot again.

Talk about some things being the same based on previous form, some things are easier to predict than others.

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 23:41
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In comes grantus with his 'opinions without opinions' tomfoolery along with alves Dad who presumably wants another season just like this one.

Another 5000 drop in the crowd and something will be done, maybe not before, but at the moment the club is going backwards.
Or are they not red seats I can see?

grantus Posted on 24/03/2008 23:47
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I'm not engaging in this childish nonsense, onthemap. I'm simply pointing out the predictability of your threads.

Carry on. So long as you are enjoying yourself and it keeps you off the streets, then I'm all for it.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/03/2008 23:52
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The ra-ras hackles go up too easily.

It's been poor this season and this will be reflected in the drop in attendances. Instead of looking at the real causes, the management team and their lick arses on here will be pointing at the likes of Bernie Slaven, message board writers and journalists for the dip.

bear66 Posted on 24/03/2008 23:54
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As long as there are idiots . . . with the likes of . . . .

Yakubu is rubbish . . . get rid
Schwarzer is rubbish . . . get rid
Aliadiere is rubbish . . . get rid
Southgate is rubbish . . . get rid
Downing isn't committed . . . get rid
Arca, Rochembach are rubbish . . . get rid
Boateng, Cattermole are rubbish . . . get rid

. . . . then the gates will fall as the team gets worse season by season

Having seen the toothless Todd team and the long ball Lawrence team, things are much better now than they have been for a long time - We should have kept hold of Yakubu as he has been a major loss - from the best front pairing to an average pair of strikers - perhaps we can try and buy him back at the end of the season . . . .

There are few rubbish

onthemap Posted on 24/03/2008 23:55
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Don't forget the crowd, Cattermole and his, the players are blameless the crowd are killing the club theory.

Mainly Bernie though.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/03/2008 23:59
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Hang on a minute. We couldn't keep hold of Viduka and Yakubu. They didn't want to stay.

It doesn't matter what's said on here or anywhere else. It's what's done on the pitch that counts. We're near the bottom again because we're slightly better than Lennie Lawrence's side, how much backing did he get from Henderson? We're poor to watch because someone's not getting it right at the top.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/03/2008 01:04
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Stabilo_Boss, i think in moyes 2nd or 3rd season he got everton in a champions league spot. What chance have we got of doing that next season?

PAC79 Posted on 25/03/2008 04:02
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Ok which one of you has the crystal ball? oh its you mappy! How do you know what the future holds?
How can you post such a stupid question then argue when people give their opinions!!
Ok we lost to Cardiff, get over it its one game, all this could of won this could of done that is like our name was on the cup. Well we could of all ended up forking out loads to go to Wembley for the semis and got thumped. At least we saved ourselves a long journey back being unhappy eh?
If i knew what next season was going to be like then i wouldn't be a football fan. It would take all the excitement out of it.
'ok lets go to the match even though we know we won 2-0'. If next season is the same then so be it. But i will still go and hope the season after is an improvement. What you really wanted to ask is is Southgate up for the job in improving us or has he found his level. Well if you know that already mate you really do have a crystal ball.

bear66 Posted on 25/03/2008 10:29
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"We couldn't keep hold of Viduka and Yakubu. They didn't want to stay"

I don't think 'want' comes into it when you're contracted to play (Yakubu) - every side has at least a hand full of players who would move on given half a chance - it's the manager's job to keep the players towing the line to the best of their ability - I would say Yakubu is Southgate's one biggest failing - otherwise he hasn't been so bad - Woodagate has gone in a similar fashion but the consequences hopefully won't be so bad (having to spend £18m to get two players who are not fit to clean Yakubu's boots)