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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 05/03/2011 17:40
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

He can only play one way, which was his undoing at West Brom. It's ok saying "The guy has principles and sticks to them" but how is that a good thing? We don't need a manager who is too stubborn to not change his style, we don't have a squad that can play free-flowing football we need to go away from home and be organised and difficult to beat. Mowbray has never been that manager.

I honestly think if he had been clever and used the 3 subs we had on Tuesday to our advantage, waste time etc we would have an extra 2 points and be a little bit further from the drop.

Ok he hasn't had funds to spend but to go and bring in another SPL player and a Bayern reserve when we need players with Championship experience was a huge mistake.

If this result was under Strachan there would be uproar.

enigma17 Posted on 05/03/2011 17:42
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I've already exhausted by quota of rants aimed at tossers like this tonight so I'll keep it short.

Take your tongue out of Strachan's arséhole. It's cringeworthy.

Red_tiff Posted on 05/03/2011 17:43
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Every manager will make mistakes. While Haas looks pointless, it doesn't mean he isn't the right man for the job. That should be judged this time next year.

bryan_munich Posted on 05/03/2011 17:43
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If this result was under Strachan there would be uproar.
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Yes - cos Strapon knew how to get beat and play $hite, boring goal-less football on a regular basis.

Sitrep Posted on 05/03/2011 17:44
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YOU’RE ONLY SHOWING YOUR STUPIDITY, AGAIN.

Pauleta_22 Posted on 05/03/2011 17:46
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Who else would you have as manager?

bill_door Posted on 05/03/2011 17:46
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You do realise, don't you, that Mowbray also gets critised for setting out his team in accordance with our opponents? Which means he doesn't play just one way and he does change his style.

There's only so much you can do with an average team and even less so with a depleted average team. We got beat, it sounds like more than a few players were shambolic today.

bill_door Posted on 05/03/2011 17:48
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Oh and there wouldn't be an uproar if Strachan was in charge today, because we'd be well adrift in 24th place anyway. It would be just another awful day.

Sitrep Posted on 05/03/2011 17:55
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"Who else would you have as manager?"


yes who? come on give us a laugh.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/03/2011 18:07
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I think the fact we are down to the fact that our current centre halves were about 5th or 6th choice at the start of the season.

We were turned over because we couldn't defend simple balls, nothing to do with tactics or style of play.

You could have had Barca's front 6 today and we'd still have been beaten.

Stockton_Boro_Dan Posted on 05/03/2011 18:09
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poggy thank you, my point exactly! too many awww he's a legend fans on here!

Northwestboro Posted on 05/03/2011 18:10
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Pogatetz , One word for you "XXXXXX" !!
No one else would have done any better, Mowbray in some respects has got a far more bigger job than what Strachan had.
I wonder what Mowbray would have done if he had took over from Southgate when we were 2/3 rd from the top.?

He is the right man to manage this football club

Stockton_Boro_Dan Posted on 05/03/2011 18:11
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graeme souness for me it's who i wanted...simple

Sitrep Posted on 05/03/2011 18:15
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PAMH, you must feel much more encouraged now the new “Board Doyle” agrees with you.[:D]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 05/03/2011 18:15
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Because Souness' track record managing young players is fantastic isn't it [:D]

In fact his track record managing any players is terrible come to that.

Stockton_Boro_Dan Posted on 05/03/2011 18:17
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why am i a board doyle like? just because you don't agree with what i have have posted? well then sitrep your a doyle coz i don't agree with you...it's an opinion get over it moron!

Sitrep Posted on 05/03/2011 18:20
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ok[:D][:D][:D][:D]

joseph99 Posted on 05/03/2011 18:22
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I think Mowbray could walk if tempted away - which would be the final nail in the coffin

bill_door Posted on 05/03/2011 18:23
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Sounness?

What would he have done differently? Why would Souness have been able to have success with young players who aren't first choice?

ferrymans Posted on 05/03/2011 18:27
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Mogga was always going to have a tough start to his managerial career here, he inherited a worse then sh!te squad.

All managers need time and an element of luck (injury free run would help) to make their impresssion on the way the team plays.

Keep the faith, no one likes the situation we are in and i think Mogga will be feeling it just as much as Gibbo and ourselves.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 05/03/2011 19:06
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Billy Davies, Paul Lambert, Eddie Howe, Alan Curbishley

keelo Posted on 05/03/2011 19:11
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The trouble is its a team full of kids!!!! end of.I will be delighted and a little surprised if we stay up this season. and before anyone says owt, it matters not what division we are in next season, I'll still be going. I am NOT an armchair supporter.Thank you very much[smi]

the_dude_abides Posted on 05/03/2011 19:28
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all i can see is a man who got better results immidiately until the last few games when we have effectivley lost our first choice central defensive pairing

i'll judge mowbray over a course of a season and after next seasons transfer window, totally stupid to dismiss his ability at this stage

you must think the players we have are better than they are syndrome pogatetz

woodymfc Posted on 05/03/2011 19:33
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Why condemn a pefectly able manager working with a shoe string of a budget and depleated squad ?

Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 05/03/2011 19:36
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lets be honest, no matter what manager came in, its down to the fact that our team is f*cked. jose mourinho and alex ferguson combined couldnt of turned our season round. its not mowbrays fault we concede late goals, we've been that way for years and years, the only difference with mowbray is he hasnt been backed financially, all the moneys gone because of past managers. Mowbray or Mourinho, we'd still be were we are now.

woodymfc Posted on 05/03/2011 19:42
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Some common sence would'nt go amiss before you jump on the keyboards pogotetz [:o)]

We have the fans choice at the healm and all he asks of true Boro fans is to support him, why don't you do just that ?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 05/03/2011 19:42
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He's doing himself absolutely no favours

If your players arent any good you have to be clever and have a gameplan to make up for the gap in quality, like Holloway and this season Malky Mackay is.

Just haven't seen it from Mowbray, the only example of this I've seen is playing a guy who was a decent box-to-box player and chipped on afew goals at his old club as an anchorman who doesn't go past the halfway line.

bill_door Posted on 05/03/2011 20:12
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Holloway and Mackay didn't take over a team at the end of October that was in freefall, did they?

No, in fact Mackay took over Watford in 2009 and they had to fight relegation last season - they eventually finished 16th. This season has been better now he's had more time but they've still slipped away and are currently 12th (12 points above us despite doing a much better job than Mowbray, apparently).


1986 Posted on 05/03/2011 20:59
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"He can only play one way"

sorry lads, i only read this sentence and didn't go any further.

absolute nonsense, anyone can see we've lined up differently in different matches this season

CornwallBORO Posted on 05/03/2011 20:59
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Talking of Watford, it was painful to hear on the BBC, after Watford scored, "Danny, Danny Graham" This cuunting club has been treat like a fcuking toilet for 4 years by the chairman downwards

1986 Posted on 05/03/2011 21:06
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behave yourself, graham was behind viduka, yak, JFH and maccarone and wasn't cutting it when he did get the chance. were right to let him go when we did, no one foresaw what came

lauric Posted on 05/03/2011 21:11
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Get a grip.

Quaban_Rings_The_Legends Posted on 05/03/2011 21:33
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I can't believe I've wasted five minutes of my time reading this thread.

And then I swa the claim that we should have appointed Souness as manager. Brilliant. Get yourself on stage son, you absolute clown. [:D]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 05/03/2011 23:48
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Keith Millen at Bristol City has had a much bigger impact with worse players

bill_door Posted on 05/03/2011 23:53
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Again, Millen took over in August, not the end of October.

And Bristol City are 7 points above us having played a game more. If you'd posted that at the start of the day they were 4 points above us having played a game more. So not really a 'much bigger impact'.

Do you have any more of these?

offside-again Posted on 05/03/2011 23:55
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Bed wetting or what, we have played 3 decent sides and only got 1 point, yes it's not great but he ain't got f uck all to work with really, down to the bare bones with a poor bunch of players, cest la vie. [rle]

Massive problem of course is no money for the future, in fact will we ever have a decent warchest pre season again ?

Really we should just be happy stopping up in the Championship for the next few seasons, and I'm fully confident mogga will keep us up this season and at least keep us mid table next season.

I just hope somehow Gibbo can rustle up at least say 4 million to spend next season.

Voltaire Posted on 05/03/2011 23:57
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He's the perfect manager for us. But he can also make mistakes that cost us and he could relegate us.

We need to think dialectically.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 01:56
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Oh

So only managers who took over on the exact same day can be included

Gibson must be laughing. He knew he was under pressure so threw the 86 lot a bone and at the moment they're chewing on it without question.

When we get relegated it'll be too late, they can't see what a poor job Mowbray is doing

Are we a squad worthy of promotion? Far from if.

Are we a squad worthy of relegation. Far from it.

But we sit inches above the drop zone ....

AlfTupper Posted on 06/03/2011 02:00
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Sorry, while I think I agree with the sentiment what does dialectically mean.
You learn something every day.

Marc_Feld Posted on 06/03/2011 08:54
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Curbishley? - linked with nearly every club in the top two flights requiring a new manager for the last 30 months and no-one has employed him. Ask yourselves why.
Souness? - not managed a club in 5 seasons. Ask yourselves why.
Billy Davies? - Is he honestly going to leave Forest in October? You shouldn't need to ask yourselves why.

Mowbray IS the right man for this job. We've all got to hold our nerves for the next few weeks. It's not the time for 'you'll see' and 'I told you so'.




bryan_munich Posted on 06/03/2011 09:15
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When we get relegated it'll be too late, they can't see what a poor job Mowbray is doing
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What so you'd give him less time than the last two goons? Pathetic.

Bbcrew Posted on 06/03/2011 09:16
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I am not saying Mogga will be the one to turn us into a good team long term this will depend on the backing from the board, but since his appointment he appears to have his hands tied from above i can only have great sympathy with the situation he and his coaching staff fine themselves in, as the simple message seems to be from the board tough get on with it!!

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 06/03/2011 09:27
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"If your players arent any good you have to be clever and have a gameplan to make up for the gap in quality, like Holloway and this season Malky Mackay is."

Now I know you're having a laugh if you think Holloway plays to a game plan to make up for a lack of quality.

The play the most open expansive football in th PL!

attonBORO Posted on 06/03/2011 10:54
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Maybe we should have got Jose Mourinho as manager instead of Mogga - DICKHEAD

UCN_BORO Posted on 06/03/2011 11:44
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We have a manager that deeply cares about the club and will work hard to turn it around. To sit there and say he is doing an awful job is just ridiculous. Since he has come in, performances have improved. We havnt always got the results we deserved but generally things are looking up. The current injury situation is really not helping and is a major reason for yesterday's result. I think some people need to lower their expectations and just hope we stay up this season, then judge mogga on next season.

Why can't people just get behind the manager? Ridiculous.

Smigga Posted on 06/03/2011 11:53
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Mowbray's been that bad that he has picked up 16 points from the last 12 games! Not brilliant but a damn sight better than that ginger XXXXXXwit Strachan!
If he can emulate that feat he will keep us up with change to spare so let's not knock him FFS!

swordtrombonefish Posted on 06/03/2011 11:55
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"You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job"

In your opinion...not mine

attonBORO Posted on 06/03/2011 11:57
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

or mine.....

THEBOROBOSS Posted on 06/03/2011 12:10
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Or mine
"In Mog we Trust"

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 12:15
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"Now I know you're having a laugh if you think Holloway plays to a game plan to make up for a lack of quality.

The play the most open expansive football in th PL!"

Look at their players, they've got the weakest squad in the league, they had one of the weakest squads in the Championship. So how do they do it? Clever management.

Forest as an example. 4 minutes added time, winning 1-0. They've threw the big man on and their big defenders are going up. We have 3 subs left, any manager worth his salt would have used them to waste time, especially as several players looked knackered. Bring Emnes on, he won't do alot but he's quick and will ensure they don't commit to many men forward. Bring Haas on for an attacking player so Grounds and Hines can compete with the big men and he can tidy up the loose balls. But no he did nothing, and we threw away 2 points, down to Mowbray IMO.

Our squad is far from good, but there's no way we should be in this position with the players we have available.

woodymfc Posted on 06/03/2011 12:20
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Knowledge is power!!!


Hindsight comments are negative, give it a rest will yer

ghostfox Posted on 06/03/2011 12:23
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perhaps someone who knows,
could post up the trainers at the club over the past 5 or six years.
has thier been a lot of changes, or a lot of the same faces ?
if the players arnt taught properly they cant perform properly, perhaps this is a major problem we have.
or maybe not
mowbray isnt the man for me personaly, but he cant take all the blame all the time,
his assistants must also be blamed.
the lad boyd is a proven goalscorer, ok the opposition he has faced isnt quite the same class as he is facing now, but come on, you dont go from 2 a game to nothing in 10 games and their not be a coaching problem

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 12:26
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"Knowledge is power!!!


Hindsight comments are negative, give it a rest will yer"

It's not hindsight I said it at the time

gravyboat Posted on 06/03/2011 12:44
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Isnt it funny how moaning fannies like PAMH always use Holloway as an example when talking about how a manager gets the best out of limited players? Is that all you've got?

Holloway has done an amazing job, but its outside of the norm. That run of success is incredibly difficult to match, which is why everyone in football talks about him and the job he's done on a weekly basis. It's silly to use him and Blackpool as an example, because it very rarely happens that way. The idea that Mowbray is failing because he hasn't done what Holloway did is stupidity.

As for your examples of other managerial choices; are you pi55ed? Billy Davies and Paul Lambert? Yeah, because they're just going to walk out of top six clubs with money to come here, aren't they?

We had a poor squad when Mowbray arrived which has since been further weakened through player sales and injuries.

A boro 'fan' desperate for us to fail so he can say 'told you so'. Worra Doyle.

attonBORO Posted on 06/03/2011 12:49
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You're a liar PAMH - You didnt say it at the time, you said it afterwards......if Mogga had brought on subs there's no guarantee that it would have made a difference. Robson was struggling but a half-fit Robson is better than say Emnes at holding up the ball, calming things down.....it was the inexperience / ineptitude of our defence that let in the equaliser......
You hate Mowbray and thats that, get over it, we could not have attracted a better manager at this time and no "outsider" would have to work with no money for new players......Souness, Davies et al...nooooo way

Quaban_Rings_The_Legends Posted on 06/03/2011 12:52
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You also cite Ian Holloway. This is the same Ian Holloway that took Leicester down a couple of years ago with a squad which, on paper at least, looked reasonably strong.

outmac Posted on 06/03/2011 12:59
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We have the right man in Mowbray but the
wrong players . All of them could go for
me and yesterday confirmed as much !

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 13:07
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"As for your examples of other managerial choices; are you pi55ed? Billy Davies and Paul Lambert? Yeah, because they're just going to walk out of top six clubs with money to come here, aren't they?"

Billy Davies doesn't exactly have a great relationship with his board.

As for Lambert, he's doing an excellent job on a shoe-string at Norwich. But we have better players, facilities, bigger wage budget etc. Only thing that Norwich have that we don't are sell-out crowds.

Mowbray would have been 5th choice for me personally, behind Davies, Lambert, Howe and O'Driscoll.

Not just Holloway many managers in this league are getting more out of their team. Brian McDermott has done brilliant at Reading with worse players.

If we were in the Premierleague or mid-table in this league Mowbray could have been the guy, but when your down at the bottom with little finances he just isn't.

atkingson Posted on 06/03/2011 13:08
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You don't know the first thing about football. Strachan already tried this ' hard to beat' thing and look how that turned out! Mowbray couldn't make this team hard to beat if he tried that's why he trying something different with the team and thankfully stats show hes done better than Gord. Yesterday was a one off as Tony said himself.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 13:12
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"You're a liar PAMH - You didnt say it at the time, you said it afterwards......if Mogga had brought on subs there's no guarantee that it would have made a difference. Robson was struggling but a half-fit Robson is better than say Emnes at holding up the ball, calming things down.....it was the inexperience / ineptitude of our defence that let in the equaliser......
You hate Mowbray and thats that, get over it, we could not have attracted a better manager at this time and no "outsider" would have to work with no money for new players......Souness, Davies et al...nooooo way"

Do you sit next to me at the game? How do you know I didn't say it? What a cretin.

I've never mentioned Souness, no outsider would do the work? Give over there's plenty of managers doing a better job with worse resources.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 13:12
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"You're a liar PAMH - You didnt say it at the time, you said it afterwards......if Mogga had brought on subs there's no guarantee that it would have made a difference. Robson was struggling but a half-fit Robson is better than say Emnes at holding up the ball, calming things down.....it was the inexperience / ineptitude of our defence that let in the equaliser......
You hate Mowbray and thats that, get over it, we could not have attracted a better manager at this time and no "outsider" would have to work with no money for new players......Souness, Davies et al...nooooo way"

Do you sit next to me at the game? How do you know I didn't say it? What a cretin.

I've never mentioned Souness, no outsider would do the work? Give over there's plenty of managers doing a better job with worse resources.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 13:40
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"You don't know the first thing about football."

Seem to be doing very well financially from it at the moment.

Forest game - McDonald 1st goal 5/2. Adebola last scorer 8/1

Yesterday - Lita to score 2 or more 18/1

Not bad for someone who "does know the first thing about football"

He could make us more difficult to beat for a start by playing Bailey and Robson central and swapping Taylor and Bennett round as Taylor is more solid defensively but offers little going forward where as Bennett is good going forward but defensively suspect at times.

attonBORO Posted on 06/03/2011 14:24
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no im not a cretin, you came on FMTTM and came up with that crap about subs, so as far as im concerned you said it "afterwards" - i hope that you sit near me at games, just keep away from the north stand if p;ossible as ar5eholes like you belong in the old chicken run at Ayresome park......always moaning and full of negativity.....

redwurzel Posted on 06/03/2011 14:26
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Mowbray has had resources taken away from him and didn't have much to play with at Reading.

Pogatetz ate my hamster - whats the value tip for the Derby match? Please put it up when you have bet on it before the game.[smi]


Billy_Ashcrofts_afro Posted on 06/03/2011 14:32
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Simply put, this is not Mogga's team.

Judge him on his own players not on Southgate and Strachan disasters.

He is doing his best with mediocre players and on-going injuries and being restricted as to how much money he can spend, which is pennies compared to Strachan and Southgate.

We get a heavy defeat and you are crying like a baby. He can only do so much with this mediocre team. Feckin' bedwetters.

attonBORO Posted on 06/03/2011 14:32
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[^] yeah whats your tactics / suggestions PAMH? Maybe you should give the club a call and offer your "expert services" im sure they'd welcome your experience

gravyboat Posted on 06/03/2011 14:34
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Apparently, we just need to swap Taylor and Bennett around, and everything will be ok.


Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/03/2011 14:35
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A lot of hype about this 'use of subs'.

It's as simple as this. A team chasing the game are going to throw the ball forward as soon as they have it. If you're being ran ragged then the use of a sub stops the game in order to break up the flow of the game. Time is now added on for that sub.

Were Forest running the Boro ragged? It certainly didn't come across that way on the radio. It sounded like a routine defensive header wasn't made and the ball dropped to their striker.

As for the gambling lark. A number of years ago a horse called Killieranger was running the same day that Kilmarnock played at Ibrox. Imagine the price that double paid out when Kilmarnock beat them and the long shot romped home.

[:D]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 14:45
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"no im not a cretin, you came on FMTTM and came up with that crap about subs, so as far as im concerned you said it "afterwards" - i hope that you sit near me at games, just keep away from the north stand if p;ossible as ar5eholes like you belong in the old chicken run at Ayresome park......always moaning and full of negativity....."

There's no chance of me going anywhere near the North Stand, the cauldron of negativity where they boo their own players when the names are read out or they are subbed, or boo at half-time when we're not winning.

Its not crap about subs, you're just not intelligent enough to understand or come up with an alternative, bless. Thats the difference between me and you, you just clap and boo where as I'm always thinking what can be done.

redwurzel without knowing the teams I couldn't give 1st/last scorers but as its a home game and its not against one of his former clubs Lita probably won't score.

2-0 Boro would be a decent bet, normally 8/1

gravyboat Posted on 06/03/2011 14:49
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'There's no chance of me going anywhere near the North Stand, the cauldron of negativity'

[:D][:D]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/03/2011 14:55
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Pog, good to see your wonderful combination of arrogance and ignorance is not reserved for the political sphere.

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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 15:06
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"There's no chance of me going anywhere near the North Stand, the cauldron of negativity"

Nothing wrong with backing the team during the game and having an informed opionion afterwards that may not be necessarily what you want to hear [^]

SidSnot Posted on 06/03/2011 15:17
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Whether anyone agrees or disagrees with your POV is almost irrelevant. What is relevant is that right now attitudes and sentiments like this will not help. We know what you think. The best thing you kid do for the club is shut the fcuk up for the rest of the season and then come back after the last game and either tell us you were right or say you might have been wrong.



Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 15:18
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"Apparently, we just need to swap Taylor and Bennett around, and everything will be ok."

No we also need to put Robson and Bailey in the middle, like I've already stated.

Won't solve all our problems but would be a start

rob_fmttm Posted on 06/03/2011 15:21
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Play Robson and Bailey central - do you mean like yesterday at Reading?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 15:34
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Yes

But did we play Bennett left midfield? No
Did we play Taylor left back? No

To play Taylor, Bailey, Robson and Zemmama in midfield is wrong, totally one paced midfield. Though I'm guessing the defense and keeper were a bigger part of what went wrong yesterday.

The left side problem is ridiculous, Taylor has absolutley no qualities of a left winger, but he's a decent left-back at this level. Bennett is quick and tricky but not great defensivley. Would seem common sense to swap them, though some will say "Oh but that'll harm Bennett's development". For 10 games or so, I doubt it.

No SidSnot the best thing I can do is what I'm doing, going to games and supporting the team during the 90 minutes and then voicing my opinion based on what I've seen, unlike many on here who don't attend games yet tell thoughs who do that they don't have a clue.

SidSnot Posted on 06/03/2011 15:40
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If you insist, then it might help if you start some more positive threads when things go well.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 06/03/2011 16:06
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Positive threads?

If this fucckwit was a battery he'd have two negative ends.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 16:08
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To be positive you have to see something positive

There is nothing to be positive about at the moment

Red_Matter Posted on 06/03/2011 16:16
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Conceding 16 goals in 6 games. Hmmmm, some "one-off" that is then.

attonBORO Posted on 06/03/2011 16:17
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i dont boo the team, i cheer them on even when we're losing. I might be peeved off, mad at them but i SUPPORT the team, unlike you.

You're making a fool out of yourself PAMH. You didnt have any credibility on here to start with, now most FMTTM's realise that your opinion is worthless.

attonBORO Posted on 06/03/2011 16:27
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"To be positive you have to see something positive

There is nothing to be positive about at the moment"

Wrong! Positive is state of mind and being positive, collectively creates posativity, except in your dull, ultra-negative world....

rob_fmttm Posted on 06/03/2011 16:28
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Maybe you should wait until you watch a game before commenting on tactics deployed in that match.


Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 16:38
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"You're making a fool out of yourself PAMH. You didnt have any credibility on here to start with, now most FMTTM's realise that your opinion is worthless."

My opinions have actually been worth alot this week! [:D][^]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 06/03/2011 16:58
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They're always good for a laugh PAMH, thats for sure [^]

foggysfplandiet Posted on 06/03/2011 17:22
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I was not in favour of Mogga as manager at the time he was appointed, I thought we needed someone with a long track record of proven success and I personally wanted Venables or O'Neill but Mogga is the manager now and it is far, far too early yet to judge him.



LucyFir Posted on 06/03/2011 17:53
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don't blame Mogga for the mess the clubs in - we have sold every decent player we have and replaced them with crap - there's only one man to blame for that , he goes by the name of Gibson

coluka Posted on 06/03/2011 17:59
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How anyone can blame Mogga is beyond me - Oh he was not my 1st choice for manager btw

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 06/03/2011 20:29
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I suppose people feel beeter if they have a scapegoat and Gibson seems to be that man at the moment.

The truth of the matter is a lot more complex than that, with several factors contributing to our current plight.

But blaming Gibson for our financial situation - not having the resources to buy players - is just plainly naive.

bill_door Posted on 06/03/2011 20:33
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"To be positive you have to see something positive

There is nothing to be positive about at the moment"

[:D]

We played excellent against Forest on Tuesday, created loads of opportunities but were kept out by some fantastic goalkeeping. We were by far the better team.

You didn't mention any of those positives. Instead you came on here and started a thread called 'Mowbray got it wrong' because of the injury time goal.

HarryVegas Posted on 06/03/2011 20:42
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Pog why did you put a big laugh sign after saying there's nothing positive at the moment? You wouldn't be enjoying it, by chance? [:o)]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 06/03/2011 23:30
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"Pog why did you put a big laugh sign after saying there's nothing positive at the moment? You wouldn't be enjoying it, by chance?"

What are you on about [?]

Dribble Posted on 07/03/2011 09:48
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Are we the only club in this league being run on a shoestring,no
are we the only team containing young players ,no
We do have well paid players young and old who are not performing and the club as a whole just appears to be a complete shambles.
if other clubs can galvanize and prepare ateam why can`t we.

Stellify Posted on 07/03/2011 10:31
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Pogatetz, I notice you're very selective about which questions you answer. You spout crap, get questioned and can't give an answer.

You must have the least knowledge about football on here.

[|)]

Miklaadt Posted on 07/03/2011 10:51
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For those getting worked up about the content of this thread I find it helps if you read the OP and the poster's subsequent responses in a black country accent.

The_263 Posted on 07/03/2011 11:00
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I am disappointed that Mogga hasn't been unable to extract and tap into the abundance of quality that is inherent (we are informed repeatedly) in the academy.

Is the problem Mogga or is the academy churning out a load of overrated plodders?

Urban_Legend Posted on 09/04/2011 17:29
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[:o)][:o)][:o)]

Marc_Feld Posted on 09/04/2011 17:30
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when I read this, this comes to my mind...


Link: link

simon1 Posted on 09/04/2011 17:31
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[:D][^]

big_boro_boy Posted on 09/04/2011 17:35
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Haha[:D]

HarryVegas Posted on 09/04/2011 17:39
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[:D] Poor Pog....

Mr_Black Posted on 09/04/2011 17:49
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feckin Doyle
[:o)][:o)][:o)]

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 09/04/2011 17:52
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Go easy on the lad, he must be feeling a bit down after that result [8)]

Marc_Feld Posted on 09/04/2011 17:53
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Got to keep this one hoofed [;)][;)]

coluka Posted on 09/04/2011 17:54
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[:D][:D][:D]

ExiledInBolton Posted on 09/04/2011 18:02
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His knowledge of football is matched only by his knowledge of politics! [:o)]

Libbins Posted on 09/04/2011 18:05
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[:D][:o)]

TheBoy007 Posted on 09/04/2011 18:37
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"His knowledge of football is matched only by his knowledge of politics! [:o)]"

To be fair i think his knowledge of football is way beyond his knowledge of politics[;)]

Mr_Black Posted on 09/04/2011 18:41
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As long as he knows who the Prime Minister is his knowledge of politics far, far outweighs his knowledge of football.

wally_falconer Posted on 09/04/2011 18:48
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[:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]
[:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]

NOBHEAD [:o)]

red_shamrock Posted on 09/04/2011 18:48
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I think he`s went on a short Spanish Holiday.

OPEO Posted on 09/04/2011 19:42
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Thickest poster of the year award already sorted at this early stage.[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

CafeDelMar Posted on 09/04/2011 19:59
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Love that clown smilie dont ya wally ya bell end

SplendidStuff Posted on 09/04/2011 21:58
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Hoof[^]

wally_falconer Posted on 09/04/2011 22:19
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Sure do cafe yer [:o) [^]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 00:14
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This post has obviously been hoofed

Not read the replies, not worthy of any

Just got back from Sheffield/the night out after

We were under the cosh for long periods, slot of high balls went into our box

I've actually been complentary of Mowbray recently, much to other people's dislike who loved him
just because he was Mowbray

But we best bottom of the league, let's not all dance round the room like we're Barcelona.

The way the pr1cks on here go on you would think we'd won at Old Trafford.

Every defeat, Strachan's fault. Every win, Mowbray is the new Mourinho [rle]

Sitrep Posted on 10/04/2011 00:19
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That’s not much of an apology for being a numptee?[:o)]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 00:23
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We beat bottom of the table [:D]

JPRF Posted on 10/04/2011 00:23
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Every defeat was Strachan's fault though....

If you think Mowbray is not such a good manager, then this at least in your own mind should highlight at least what a travesty of a manager Strachan was for us, given the comparitive records with the same players.

Joe Bennett would have left this club for £200k had Strachan stayed a month longer. Unforgivable...

In my opinion it's a bit of both, weve gone from having the worst to the best man for the job.


Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 00:30
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Strachan was a tool regarding Bennett

But for people to suggest Mowbray is the best manager since sliced bread because we beat Sheff Utd, Comon.

Enjoyed the late goal but thought we were rather lucky today

Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 10/04/2011 00:36
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they werent bottom of the table before we beat them though [smi][;)]

JLinardi Posted on 10/04/2011 00:38
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Well what about the other teams we have beat that wernt bottom of the league such as watford/millwall for example? Stop persisting with this ridiculous crusade and allow a bit of optimism into your life.

Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 10/04/2011 00:41
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or perhaps cardiff?.. they're not bottom [}:)]

JPRF Posted on 10/04/2011 01:05
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I didn't say he was the best man sincend sliced bread I said he was the best man for the job. Which, given that we can't afford Mourinho, he is.

Forget his relatively impressive start and comparative tactical nous (vs the two previous) his profile as legend of the club - added to the fact he has an impressive cv at this level - is exactly what the fans needed and it has worked: clearly not 100% as you will testify but the fans are coming back, and it was always going to take something special for that to happen.

bryan_munich Posted on 10/04/2011 09:37
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Sheff U won their last two home games against top 6 opposition. Yesterday was a must win for them.

To come away with a point would've been a great result. Mogga is achieving great things here. The man really is a legend.


OPEO Posted on 10/04/2011 09:41
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POGI. Just admit it. You are a NUMPTY [:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]

Mr_Black Posted on 10/04/2011 09:46
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we beat bottom of the league?

what gibberish. they are only bottom of the league BECAUSE we beat them, they weren't before.

have you got any other woefully innacurate, negative claptrap you want to peddle?

woodymfc Posted on 10/04/2011 09:57
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My reply to Pogi is as follows.....

[:o)]

FrozenHorse Posted on 10/04/2011 10:00
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"Sheff U won their last two home games against top 6 opposition"

Excellent point; relegation threatened teams are very tough games at this time of year. Sheff Utd have just beaten Forest and Leeds at home. QPR have just lost at Scunny and Preston beat Swansea.

Do you still believe what you said in this thred title Pog?

gravyboat Posted on 10/04/2011 10:49
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1. They weren't bottom of the table.
2. Their last two home games have been wins over promotion chasing teams.
3. Is Mowbray still 'not the right man for the job'?

borobadge Posted on 10/04/2011 10:55
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[:D]


his assessment of football surpasses only his grasp of politics...

intheplasma Posted on 10/04/2011 12:23
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Pog didn't eat your 'amster he ett your brain.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 15:09
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We got battered, we should have been well beaten

But we won, so I'm obviously delighted.

I actually like Mowbray, just because I doubt he's the guy we should have appointment doesn't mean I dislike him.

If you think a fortunte win at the side who are bottom proves he's the man long term your all deluded.

Comeback and say I'm wrong if he gets us promoted next season

Marc_Feld Posted on 10/04/2011 15:15
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Pog, you're the bloke who sits in the club saying 'I told you so' every time we lose.
You bluntly refuse to give Mowbray any credit whatsoever for turning a team around which was practically nil on confidence and heart.

'But we won, so I'm obviously delighted.'

Could have fooled me.

borobadge Posted on 10/04/2011 15:16
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[:D] desperate [:D]

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 10/04/2011 15:16
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FFS, give it up PAMH. So, if Mogga's not the man for the job, who is?

FrozenHorse Posted on 10/04/2011 15:16
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"If you think a fortunte win at the side who are bottom proves he's the man long term your all deluded."

We don't. We think winning 37 points in 26 games with a team that was on course for relegation before he took over proves Mogga's the long term man.

"We got battered, we should have been well beaten"

When we've played well and lost, the doom-mongers remind us its the result that matters. They can't have it both ways and claim it's the performance that matters when we win. Besides, winning when you don't play well is the hallmark of a good side isn't it?

Parmo_Nut Posted on 10/04/2011 15:30
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What an idiot[:o)][:o)][:D][^]

McClaren was right, some of our fans are idiots[:o)][:o)]

MFC_Riverside Posted on 10/04/2011 15:34
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We''re not saying he's the best man for the job because we beat Sheff U.

We're saying he's the best man for the job because of:

BORO 1 - 0 Cardiff
Preston North End 1 - 3 BORO
Leeds 1 - 1 BORO
Bristol City 0 - 4 BORO
Millwall 2 - 3 BORO
Sheff U 1 - 2 BORO

And there are a few other good results other than them. Aswell as a few bad ones but overall Mowbray has been getting consistantly better results than Strachan could manage.

Hence why he's the best man for the job and that could match our budget.

Marc_Feld Posted on 10/04/2011 15:47
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PAMH, do you still think we should have got Billy Davies when Forests last nine games (before your managerial recommendations) have gleaned 4 points from a possible 27?
Burnley haven't won for a month.
Curbishley is still unemployed, and has been for 2 1/2 years. No one wants him.
Lambert is doing well at the minute for Norwich, but why would he leave Norwich to come to us?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 15:51
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He's done ok

But staying up with our players is hardly an achievment

If he gets us promoted he will prove himself to be the man

Like I said, when i've been on after a defeat and pointed out where he went wrong everyone else blames Strachan, Mowbray can do no wrong.

Come on after a victory and everything is fantastic and all down to him.

Like I said he's done ok but next season is the challenge, any half decent manager would have kept us in this league with our players.


sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 10/04/2011 15:52
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As someone said earlier, isn't this guy the sunderland fan who keeps popping up with a new username, and starts off pretending he supports the boro? Why bother.

FrozenHorse Posted on 10/04/2011 16:00
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"But staying up with our players is hardly an achievment"

Before he came we took 11 points from 13 games. Had we continued with that form we'd have 33 points after 39 games which would have left us bottom at this stage. So let's not pretend he was taking over a good side that was always certain to stay up.

The improvement in form under Mogga is worth (slightly over) 26 points over a season; a massive change by anyone's standard. For example, if QPR had 26 points less they'd be in 15th place. If Sheff Utd had 26 points more they'd be 7th. That's a measure of the turnaround Mogga has brought about: it's a huge achievement.


vuvuzelas Posted on 10/04/2011 16:07
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I think its a real shame mogga wont get the financial support from the club that strachen had

billywoofslovechild Posted on 10/04/2011 16:09
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The wee GS got 50 points from 47 games

Mowbray 37 points from 25 games

average is 1.48 point per game for Mogga against 1.06 per game for Strachan.

basically under strachan based on these figures we would have been relegated as for Mowbray we would have been on 68 points, playoffs.

no contest in my opinion

Parmo_Nut Posted on 10/04/2011 16:13
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Why can't PAMH just admit he was wrong?

Yet he's making himself look more stupid by trying to back his point up[:D]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 16:18
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Players wern't behind Strachan after he managed to alienate the majority of them

Joe Bennett is an good example of Strachan's p!ss poor management

All it took was someone who the fans and players could connect with, we always had the players to come at the very least mid-table


vuvuzelas Posted on 10/04/2011 16:21
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Yeah but its not just about having the players is it? Mowbrays done more than just gained better results. The football we're playing now is far more entertaining although yesterday wasnt great, thats only one game.

swordtrombonefish Posted on 10/04/2011 16:23
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red_shamrock Posted on 10/04/2011 16:24
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His biggest difficulty was managing players at a club who has repeatedly said they are a selling club.He`s done well with the players he has inherited.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 16:31
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He's done ok.

Nothing special, not bad.

I don't buy into the argument our players are terrible, we have quite afew good players for this division.

FrozenHorse Posted on 10/04/2011 16:32
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"Why can't PAMH just admit he was wrong?"

In fairness, I can't recall the last time anyone on this forum conceded an argument.

Standard procedure is now to wait 3,4,5 years until Mogga gets the sack and then claim he was the wrong man all along. Given that every Boro manager except SMac for the last 25 years has been sacked, it's a pretty good bet.


vuvuzelas Posted on 10/04/2011 16:35
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If you where the man in the chair pog. Who would you like to see as our manager?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 16:38
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But I'm not wrong!!!!

The aim has always been promotion not survival

Obviously it was somewhat past us when Mowbray was appointment but that is the aim

Forgive me for not booking an open top bus parade round the town because we've stayed up in a league we were favourites to win

By your theory let's Kenny Dalglish manger of the year for keeping Liverpool up

vuvuzelas Posted on 10/04/2011 16:40
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Dont think you can really blame Mowbray for us not being promoted this season mate

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 16:43
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"Obviously it was somewhat past us when Mowbray was appointment but that is the aim"

Like I said

vuvuzelas Posted on 10/04/2011 16:45
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Would you like to see mowbray go?

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 10/04/2011 16:46
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The reason why we're not going down is the improvement in results in recent months. That upturn in form is down to Mowbray. The reason why we've been at the wrong end of the table is down to Strachan. He squandered a lot of the money that was given to him. The squad still lacks balance and we've had to offload our two highest earners. Despite this, in the last 5 months, our form has been close to play-off form.

If you want an example of how much better we're playing, look at Nicky Bailey. He was getting a lot of stick on here, but has probably been our most improved player in the last 5 months.

FrozenHorse Posted on 10/04/2011 16:47
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"The aim has always been promotion not survival

Obviously it was somewhat past us when Mowbray was appointment but that is the aim"

So you're suggesting that Mogga is not the man for the job because he's failed to do something that you didn't think was possible when he took over? That's an insane argument.

Could you specify what you would have considered a sucessful achievement for Mogga or any other manager who might have taken over?

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 10/04/2011 16:51
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FH - Checkmate! [^]

vuvuzelas Posted on 10/04/2011 16:57
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TBH pog I dont think the aim waqs promotion. I think that Mowbrays aim for this season from Gibson and Lamb when he took over will of been nothing other than avoid relegation. Mowbray looks almost certain to have achieved this quite comfortably with games to spare with someone elses team.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 10/04/2011 17:03
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The aim at the start of the season when we had Strachan was promotion. I doubt it was the aim when Mogga took over, as it would have required a massive upturn in form over a short period and going unbeaten for the next 3 months. The damage was already done. By January, it seemed obvious that Gibson has written this season off as we sold Wheater and O'Neil but hardly any funds were given to Mowbray. If we'd been in contention, I'm sure Gibson would have released funds for Mogga. Given a bit of financial backing, Mogga has the ability to get us up next season.

vuvuzelas Posted on 10/04/2011 17:09
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Not only has Mowbray mangaged to turn around a team that looked beaten before we even stepped out onto the pitch into a team that now plays attractive football scoring for fun. He's done this during a spell of awful injuries to key players in key positions. Its beyond me how anyone can see Mowbrays start as anything other than a huge success.

zorro_mfc Posted on 10/04/2011 17:14
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Pog is not a boro fan as no true boro fan could be do anti Mowbray as this idiot has been ever since day one the guy is a true legend. His wispering campaign on here against a true boro great had shown his true colours.

FrozenHorse Posted on 10/04/2011 17:15
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"Not only has Mowbray mangaged to turn around a team that looked beaten before we even stepped out onto the pitch into a team that now plays attractive football scoring for fun."

While having to sell 2 of our most highly rated players[^]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 17:49
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FH

His job this season is to prepare us for a promotion challenge for next.

"Pog is not a boro fan as no true boro fan could be do anti Mowbray as this idiot has been ever since day one the guy is a true legend. His wispering campaign on here against a true boro great had shown his true colours."

I've been a ST holder since ayresome park and go to several away games a season [:D]

I'll go to far far more games a season than the majority of the tools on here [^]

FrozenHorse Posted on 10/04/2011 17:59
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"His job this season is to prepare us for a promotion challenge for next. "

Given that our form since New Year has been that of a play-off side, would you not agree he's succeeded in that?



JLinardi Posted on 10/04/2011 17:59
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Dont forget we had to play a good few games with ever single one of our 1st choice CBs out injured. Our main midfielder has been out most of the season aswell.

Just tell us who else we could possibly have got in who would be doing a better job??

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 18:06
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Look at the table after Mowbray's first game

Keith Millen and Nigel Pearson have done very similar jobs to Mowbray. Then there's Kenny Jackett who has somehow got Millwall seventh with a team of League One players where as we have several players with Premiership experience, some with Champion's League experience.

I seem to be having similar arguments to this with the RaRa's about Southgate, apparently I 'knew nothing about football' then aswell.

Remind me how that one went again?

seem to remember ha


Link: Table after Bristol City game

JLinardi Posted on 10/04/2011 18:09
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So to support your argument you show the table how it looked after mowbrays FIRST game in charge after being here for about 2 days [V][V][V]

Parmo_Nut Posted on 10/04/2011 18:09
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Stop trying to worm your way out.

You are obviously wrong, just admit it

Answer the same question you've asked the board

Is Mowbray the right man for the job?

If not then who else could we have got?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 18:18
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Why not Jlinardi, it shows Keith Millen and other managers have done just aswell with worse squads.

Parmo they're named further up in the thread

"Mowbray would have been 5th choice for me personally, behind Davies, Lambert, Howe and O'Driscoll."

First two are slightly ambitious but there we go

Parmo_Nut Posted on 10/04/2011 18:21
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Them first 2 would have been hard to attract, but the other two wouldn't have.

In hindsight, who would you have now?

JLinardi Posted on 10/04/2011 18:23
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But Mowbray turned round a sinking team, that had an atmosphere of general negativity round it.

One of your arguments for Mowbray not being 'the man' wa sthat he finished below Southgate in the premiership, yet one of your desires 'O'Driscoll' currently lies below Mowbray in the championship.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/04/2011 18:26
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"Keith Millen and Nigel Pearson have done very similar jobs to Mowbray. Then there's Kenny Jackett who has somehow got Millwall seventh with a team of League One players"

Pearson had money to spend. Started appallingly but has turned them around after being able to bring Fryatt and McLean in. Millwall had all the momentum going into this season and absolutely no pressure on them to do anything other than stay up. Momentum is a massive thing in football, look at Leeds and Norwich for further details.

I can't believe you're even attempting to continue this argument, Pog. Look at the improvement since Mowbray came in, both in results and quality of football. It's light-years away from where we were under Strachan.

There is no other manager who could have come into the Boro and achieved more than what Mowbray has. What he has done for us is nothing short of remarkable. He's got players who were absolutely shot in terms of confidence playing good football and, most importantly, PLAYING FOR EACH OTHER AND PLAYING FOR THE SHIRT.

We were a shambles when he arrived. Couldn't score goals, buckled away from home, had no real pattern to our play, players feeling alienated, no fighting spirit to speak of, no leadership, no excitement and in with a very real chance of ending up in Division Three.

I'm proud of what Tony Mowbray has done for our club and cannot wait until next season, the season after that and the season after that with him at the helm. We are going places under Mogga so you best get used to the vast majority of fans sharing their pleasure and enjoyment on here because there is going to be a lot more of it to come.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 18:30
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Howmany players in the Doncaster team would get in ours? With what he's had to work with O'Driscoll is performing wonders, they have Jason Euell! FFS

Who would I have chosen with hindsight, tough to say at this stage. If we get promoted next season Gibson will have been right to appoint Mowbray

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 10/04/2011 18:32
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You could use the same argument for Mogga's West Brom team and Southgate's Boro team. At the time, our financial resources allowed us to have a better squad than West Brom's.

HarryVegas Posted on 10/04/2011 18:42
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Pog, just to clarify - do you still believe what you posted at the top of the thread - that Mowbray is not the right man for the job? Yes or no will suffice.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 10/04/2011 18:48
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No.

We're going round in circles now.

If this time next sunny May Mowbray has got us promoted, I will come on here and very happily tell you that you we're all right and Mowbray has brought us to the promised land.

Until then, he's proved nothing.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/04/2011 18:49
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"No."

Based on what?

FrozenHorse Posted on 10/04/2011 18:50
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"FH

His job this season is to prepare us for a promotion challenge for next."

"Look at the table after Mowbray's first game"

Now you can't say his job was to build a promotion challenging team and then start judging him by the teams performance during his first couple of months. Or was he supposed to have built this team by the time he took charge for the first time?

Take form from New Year: that's giving him a reasonable length of time in which to make a difference.

We've taken 25 points in 16 games since then. In the same time Leeds have taken 24 points in 16 games and Forest have taken 27 points in 19 games.

Our performance this year has been better than either. These are the sort of clubs we should be competing with at the top end of the table, and we're out-performing them!

gravyboat Posted on 10/04/2011 18:52
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Based on the fact he stated from the start he wasn't the right man and now can't bear to admit he was wrong, despite results and performances clearly showing he is.

JLinardi Posted on 10/04/2011 18:57
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If Mowbray was given £10m to spend this summer, he would get us promoted, what were your thoughts on Strachans appointment?? And how can you say Mowbray is NOT preparing us well for promotion push next year?? Hes turned round our bad form and got us scoring goals, with no money to buy new players what else exactly could he do??

offside-again Posted on 10/04/2011 19:15
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This thread is just so full of [:o)]

Good laugh though.[^]

JLinardi Posted on 10/04/2011 19:15
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[^] offside-again

HarryVegas Posted on 10/04/2011 19:34
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So there we have it. Pog, the No.1 Boro expert, STILL believes Mogga is the wrong man for the job [:D][^]

If faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, just dig your heels in, stick your fingers in your ears and keep shouting 'LA LA LA LA LA....' [:D]

MawTheMerrier Posted on 11/04/2011 09:46
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I was planning to post a thread asking if there were any Mowbray doubters left out there, but did not envisage that anyone could be dumb enough to think so.

Amazing.

Tony Mowbray: NPC manager of the season [^]

E-PRIME Posted on 11/04/2011 09:51
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Pog proves he knows just as much about football as he does about politics, morality, humour, happiness and logic.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 11/04/2011 10:23
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God this thread is still going on [:D]

Just shows how determind the RaRa's are to be right on this one after been hopelessly wrong on Southgate

Hoof this thread in May 2012 and we'll see who was right

flymetothemido Posted on 11/04/2011 10:26
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Pogs, would you like to see Mowbray sacked?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 11/04/2011 10:27
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No and nor have I ever called for him to be sacked

flymetothemido Posted on 11/04/2011 10:43
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But that contradicts your statement. If he is not the man for the job, as you say, why would you wish for him to remain in the job?

Muttley Posted on 11/04/2011 10:45
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Let's look at that first post in detail

"He can only play one way" well that's been proven wrong, he played Bates and Williams in midfield to beef up the height in the side against the long ball and physical game we faced against Sheff Utd. He has played different formations to counter different threats.

"we don't have a squad that can play free-flowing football we need to go away from home and be organised and difficult to beat." also proven wrong we can play free-flowing football and we did go away to Sheff Utd (and also recently Millwall) and win

"to go and bring in another SPL player and a Bayern reserve when we need players with Championship experience was a huge mistake." Was it? Granted the Bayern reserve hasn't been a sucess and Zemamma is probably a "work-in-progress" but you may noticed we ar now 17th and 11 points clear of the drop zone. We are playing exciting football (even if we are still conceding too many) the crowds having been leaving the Riverside buzzing (and it's been a long time since you could say that!)

I'd say he's doing a VERY good job. How about swallowing your pride and saying the same?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 11/04/2011 10:53
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Last thing we need is another managerial change, we'll end up a bigger joke than Newcastle

He's the manager, I'd rather hope he gets us up than going through the whole palaver of another change

Muttley Posted on 11/04/2011 10:58
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Nearly, so close 'n' all.

Try this simple phrase, you can ask your mate Bernie if you're struggling with copy and paste...

"Tony Mowbray is doing a VERY good job!"

Eight words (count 'em) that's all.

Go on


Go on





Go on

flymetothemido Posted on 11/04/2011 10:59
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"Last thing we need is another managerial change, we'll end up a bigger joke than Newcastle

He's the manager, I'd rather hope he gets us up than going through the whole palaver of another change"

So does that not, by definition, mean he is currently the man for the job?

MawTheMerrier Posted on 11/04/2011 11:03
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I would like to see Mog remain at manager for 5 years +

A bit of stability and a chance to build

woodymfc Posted on 11/04/2011 11:13
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Maw [^]

SplendidStuff Posted on 11/04/2011 11:15
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This must be the biggest 'fail' on here for some time.

The contradictions throughout from PAMH are funny as fcuk[:D]

Marc_Feld Posted on 11/04/2011 11:17
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[^]

flymetothemido Posted on 11/04/2011 11:34
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Answer my question please, Pog. Pwetty please.

vuvuzelas Posted on 11/04/2011 11:38
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"There is no other manager who could have come into the Boro and achieved more than what Mowbray has. What he has done for us is nothing short of remarkable. He's got players who were absolutely shot in terms of confidence playing good football and, most importantly, PLAYING FOR EACH OTHER AND PLAYING FOR THE SHIRT.

We were a shambles when he arrived. Couldn't score goals, buckled away from home, had no real pattern to our play, players feeling alienated, no fighting spirit to speak of, no leadership, no excitement and in with a very real chance of ending up in Division Three.

I'm proud of what Tony Mowbray has done for our club and cannot wait until next season, the season after that and the season after that with him at the helm. We are going places under Mogga so you best get used to the vast majority of fans sharing their pleasure and enjoyment on here because there is going to be a lot more of it to come".

Excellent post V_A_N. Pretty much sums up how I'm feeling about our club at the moment.



offside-again Posted on 11/04/2011 11:40
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Hoof this thread in May 2012 and we'll see who was right

Yeah I'd make sure you're on holiday then and nowhere near the internet. [^][:o)]

borobadge Posted on 11/04/2011 12:18
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promotion or bust.....not a favourable bet.


Link: the real fans know....

flymetothemido Posted on 12/04/2011 09:00
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Pog, why can't you answer a simple question?

UgoAfro Posted on 12/04/2011 09:10
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"There is no other manager who could have come into the Boro and achieved more than what Mowbray has. What he has done for us is nothing short of remarkable. He's got players who were absolutely shot in terms of confidence playing good football and, most importantly, PLAYING FOR EACH OTHER AND PLAYING FOR THE SHIRT."

What is even more remarkable is that based on the comments of Mowbray and some of the players, a lot of those who are performing in such a committed manner are pretty likely to be moved on in the summer or are having to take a hefty pay cut to stay.

HelmutSchmutz Posted on 12/04/2011 09:12
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You'll come on here pog in May 2012 and tell us you were right if you're expecting promotion next season. I doubt it'll happen. We'll cut the wage bill back closer to championship level, Mowbray will start building his team and we'll be an outside playoff chance with some exciting games. That'll do me after this season's nightmare.

Muttley Posted on 12/04/2011 22:38
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A helpful dink to the top and then off to bed.

G'night PAMH, don't have nightmares.

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 12/04/2011 22:44
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[^]

Dibzzz Posted on 12/04/2011 22:48
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_

The bloke is already a genius getting rid of that plank Boyd and bringing in a very good keeper.

Who else would you have in?






























































































































































Oh,,and you're a fcuking doyle !

redwurzel Posted on 12/04/2011 22:57
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I think the wage bill can be cut without damaging the current team.

The current team's form is better than last seasons if you take the 4 games of last season out when we had Huth & Co. - then 52pts from 42 games currently 49pts from 40

I can see crowds rising too. For example there will be more there at Saturday than against Leicester.


borobadge Posted on 12/04/2011 23:05
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steve 'mrs doubtfire' bruce should be worried.

Marc_Feld Posted on 18/04/2011 08:10
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5 points from a possible 36.
Stranger things have happened.

Ho hum never mind eh?
We have now got 'bouncebackability'!


ron_manager Posted on 18/04/2011 09:15
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[:o)]PAMH argues like a Christian....circular.[:o)]

Marc_Feld Posted on 23/04/2011 17:29
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Sorry but I have to do it [:D]

r00fie Posted on 23/04/2011 17:31
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[^]

BoroBoy1984 Posted on 23/04/2011 17:32
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[^]

Muttley Posted on 23/04/2011 17:32
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Funny he never seems to be around after victories...

...probably just a coincidence I expect?

mitch_at_merseyside Posted on 23/04/2011 17:37
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[:o)][:o)][:o)]

offside-again Posted on 23/04/2011 17:42
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[^] [:o)] [ref]

Mowbray out. [:D]

Marc_Feld Posted on 23/04/2011 17:45
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Nover mind PAMH, wheres Stockton_Boro_Dan?
The man who wanted Souness????

Mr_Black Posted on 23/04/2011 17:56
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[:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]

raglasher Posted on 23/04/2011 18:03
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mowbray out he will never do any good [:D]

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 23/04/2011 18:18
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It's embarrassing to watch someone so stubbornly trying to defend themselves in the face of such contradictory evidence

I love how he concedes the squad is mid-table quality and the goes on to say that he'll be proved the right man for the job if he gets us up next year.

Ok so we may have sell not buy in the summer weakening our mid-table squad... But success for you is promotion. Basically you'll only concede Mowbray was the right choice if he massively overachieves. It's delusional idiots like this that spoil the game

Jdub Posted on 23/04/2011 18:26
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To rag lasher do you go to games?!
If so don't bother yourself sunshine!

Red_Matter Posted on 23/04/2011 18:54
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Can our in-house MS Paint guru's please come up with an artists impression of PAMH's mega[:o)] status on FMTTM.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 23/04/2011 18:56
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[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

So sad and so predictable

Funny how this thread was nowhere to be seen on Wednesday when we were torn apart but when we win it's the first thread hoofed.

Sad, very sad....

Gillandi Posted on 23/04/2011 19:00
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"Billy Davies, Paul Lambert, Eddie Howe, Alan Curbishley"

[:D][:D]

Red_Matter Posted on 23/04/2011 19:02
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Ha ha ha! Raglasher's comments have been taken out of Pogatext! [;)]

gravyboat Posted on 23/04/2011 19:04
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'Funny how this thread was nowhere to be seen on Wednesday when we were torn apart'

That'll be our only defeat in the last 9 you're talking about there.

Red_Matter Posted on 23/04/2011 19:19
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Boro Fans love winners but we sure hate sore losers.

TheBoy007 Posted on 23/04/2011 19:28
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Poggy's knowledge of football is still greater than his knowledge of politics[:D]

OPEO Posted on 23/04/2011 19:42
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Pogi pogi pogi oi oi oi.[:D][:D][:D]

Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 23/04/2011 20:12
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[:D][:P]


Link: Poggggie.. try that again

Red_Matter Posted on 23/04/2011 20:20
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Tuncay_alves_ftw

Ha ha ha ha! Very accurate depiction. [:D]

Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 23/04/2011 20:21
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[:P][:X]

Red_Matter Posted on 23/04/2011 20:27
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Jannizart has competition. [;)]

You have an advantage in that you illustrate real life stiffs.

Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 23/04/2011 20:28
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lmao the best thing is i know the lad in real life, and hes a nice guy.. he just knows how to get on the wind up on this forum [:P]

Red_Matter Posted on 23/04/2011 20:33
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Ha ha! Give him a playful slap and then make him get the drinks in. [;)]

Marc_Feld Posted on 25/04/2011 17:13
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Sorry!
IMWT!

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 25/04/2011 19:04
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[:D]

OPEO Posted on 25/04/2011 19:08
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Pogi, pogi, pogi, oi,oi,oi.[:o)][:o)][:o)]

Muttley Posted on 25/04/2011 20:54
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Oops, how did that happen?

TheBoy007 Posted on 25/04/2011 21:18
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[:D]

LeeMiller Posted on 25/04/2011 21:30
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Why are we keep the heat under this?

smoghead Posted on 25/04/2011 21:51
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we must try to keep this thread going next season [:D]

ferrymans Posted on 25/04/2011 21:55
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This thread has the flavour of the first 1,000 meassage's on the board.

Well done PAMH [:D]

istinitboro Posted on 25/04/2011 23:11
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Yet he thinks slimey dave is the man for the job.I rest my case.[:D]

Marc_Feld Posted on 02/05/2011 19:32
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HOOOOOOOOF!

wally_falconer Posted on 02/05/2011 19:37
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P[:o)]g
[:o)][:o)]

TheBoy007 Posted on 02/05/2011 20:18
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[:D][B)]

billeeee Posted on 02/05/2011 20:34
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Nice one PAMH

Red_Matter Posted on 02/05/2011 21:07
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Let's see. That'll be five (5) wins, four (4) draws and one (1) loss in the last 10 (ten) games.

We're now seeing why Mogga is the man for this job.

Strachans_Tossed_Caber Posted on 02/05/2011 21:49
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[:o)] - 3 P[:o)]g

Y[:o)]u're n[:o)]w seeing why M[:D]wbray is the man for this j[fb]b

jazzy96_97 Posted on 02/05/2011 23:27
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HAHAHAA.... 'we don't have a squad that can play free-flowing football we need to go away from home and be organised and difficult to beat'

Eating your words now!!

We played with composure and confidence today, got the ball down and played it.. Nice fluid football. Great to get revenge for Semi-final defeat!!

Shaun71 Posted on 02/05/2011 23:30
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*cough* Quarter Final

Jimmythemoonlight Posted on 02/05/2011 23:41
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 02/05/2011 23:42
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:D]

big_boro_boy Posted on 02/05/2011 23:43
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Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 03/05/2011 00:47
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

hahahaha everytime this thread gets bumped it brings a grin to my face [:D]

Steel-City_Smoggy Posted on 03/05/2011 01:54
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[^] Classic

maxi_levey Posted on 03/05/2011 08:16
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Poor POG...[sad]

r00fie Posted on 03/05/2011 08:57
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Will POG be bearing his bum in Binns window?

gerd_muller Posted on 03/05/2011 09:27
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

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Jimmythemoonlight Posted on 04/05/2011 08:01
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[DFS]

the_dude_abides Posted on 04/05/2011 08:24
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:D]

FrozenHorse Posted on 04/05/2011 08:56
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

"He can only play one way"

Actually I think versatility is one of his strengths. He's regularly switched formations to counter the opposition, and the new wingback system we used at Cardiff seemed to work perfectly.

Marc_Feld Posted on 07/05/2011 14:55
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

bumpity bump
hoofity hoof
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stedontsurf Posted on 07/05/2011 14:57
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

ha! Saved me doing it.

Jimmythemoonlight Posted on 07/05/2011 14:57
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

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Steel-City_Smoggy Posted on 07/05/2011 14:58
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

PAMH- The most hammered poster in FMTTM history [^]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 07/05/2011 14:58
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

"He can only play one way, which was his undoing at West Brom. It's ok saying "The guy has principles and sticks to them" but how is that a good thing? We don't need a manager who is too stubborn to not change his style, we don't have a squad that can play free-flowing football we need to go away from home and be organised and difficult to beat. Mowbray has never been that manager."

[:D]

mitch_at_merseyside Posted on 07/05/2011 14:59
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:o)]

woodymfc Posted on 07/05/2011 15:00
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Can I play......



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zzzzz Posted on 07/05/2011 15:05
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Is PAMH onthemap?

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 07/05/2011 15:06
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

woody - What are you trying to spell with those emoticons?

[:D]

woodymfc Posted on 07/05/2011 15:07
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

The obvious VAN [:D]

FOOL [^]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 07/05/2011 15:08
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:D][^]

Stabilo_Boss Posted on 07/05/2011 15:12
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Bottom 3 when he arrived...

...20pts clear of relegation at the end of the season.


Just about adequate I reckon PAMH [:o)]

Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 07/05/2011 15:16
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

It aches my thumb scrolling down on my iPhone to see the latest responses!

swordtrombonefish Posted on 07/05/2011 15:26
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

3-0
Job done
12th on 62 points

A well earned break after a magnificent effort from Mogga & the team...bring on August

Space_Face Posted on 07/05/2011 15:48
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Ha ha, what a prat.

Adi_Dem Posted on 07/05/2011 15:51
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

All it would take, frowned upon by some I know, would be an admission that he was wrong.

I had doubts about Mogga's appointment for a host of reasons but I am happy to have been proven wrong. That's all he would need to say.

zorro_mfc Posted on 07/05/2011 15:51
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

lol clown

wally_falconer Posted on 07/05/2011 15:59
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

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Red_Matter Posted on 07/05/2011 16:12
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Reach up Pog, Reach up. Are you smart enough to see what I did there? [;)]

POG's next greatest exclusive: "I could have told you Lita would get a yellow for taking his shirt off."

stedontsurf Posted on 07/05/2011 16:34
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

"All it would take, frowned upon by some I know, would be an admission that he was wrong."

precisely
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bevoboro Posted on 07/05/2011 16:37
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:o)][V]

In Mog we trust.

ExiledInBolton Posted on 07/05/2011 18:06
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Who is PAMH?


Oh, I see. He's the one in the corner wearing the conical hat with a 'D' on it!


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TheBoy007 Posted on 07/05/2011 18:41
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 07/05/2011 19:16
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:D][:D][:D][:D]

Is this a record replies?

Keep em comin [^][^][^]

jonniovdaboro Posted on 07/05/2011 19:17
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:o)] [:o)] [:o)] [V]

PAHM you got anything to say now?
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TheSmogMonster Posted on 07/05/2011 19:19
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

About another 2300 posts to the record?

Do you really want to string out saying you got it wrong that long?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 07/05/2011 19:21
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

If Mogga gets us in the Play-offs next season it'll be worth it.

If he doesn't, they'll be some serious eggs on faces

jonniovdaboro Posted on 07/05/2011 19:22
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[V][:o)]

stedontsurf Posted on 07/05/2011 19:26
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

He's like the sad little boy not invited to the party trying to pretend he doesn't care!

thorntree-smoggy Posted on 07/05/2011 19:27
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

get a grip 1 loss in 12 games have a word with yourself

TheOneThatGoesBounce Posted on 07/05/2011 19:28
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

No, there wont. Football is there for entertainment, success is not vital. Mogga has brought a whole new attitude to the side, a new way of playing. Yes, success is great but, for me anyway, this is the best season for a long time and we have been poor for much of it. We are playing good, entertaining football now. Success will come, maybe not next year but it will come again, but for some winning is everything and the prem is the only place to be.

BertieWooster Posted on 07/05/2011 19:28
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Come on Pog, if you can't say you're wrong with words say it with music.
Feel free to pinch this link


Link: Pog's song

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 07/05/2011 19:47
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Adi_Dem Posted on 07/05/2011 19:50
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"If he doesn't, they'll be some serious eggs on faces"

What is this nonsense you keep spouting about next season and the play offs?

Please explain why there will be egg on faces if we don't reach the play offs and yet there is no egg on your face now.

I will ask again what has been asked most weeks since you posted this:

You state, as the thread title, that Mowbray is not the man for the job. Please tell us, right now, why you don't think he is the man for the job and why not.

Thanks.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 07/05/2011 19:57
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

woody - Got there in the end. [^]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 07/05/2011 20:01
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Adi, because the 'the man for the job' referred to the man to get us out the division.

If he doesn't atleast get us in the play-offs next season he won't be

Simple really

TheSmogMonster Posted on 07/05/2011 20:17
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Thats not what you said though....

And besides there's no such thing as a manager who can guarantee success.

Thats a myth adopted by sky generation Newcastle fans waiting for the next messiah.

He is as likely as anyone to get us out the division & the longer he's had with this team the better we've got.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 07/05/2011 20:23
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

"Thats not what you said though...."

What do you think I meant? Keep us up with a team that's far too good to go down?

Adi_Dem Posted on 07/05/2011 21:25
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

You said we were 'now' seeing why he wasn't the man for the job. How could we 'now' see it if what you actually meant was that we'd see why he wasn't the man for the job next season?

The qualification about the play offs and stubborn refusal to admit you were wrong have arisen since your initial point has proven untenable.

You said we could see right now why he wasn't the man for the job. However, every bit of evidence, every stat and every result points to the exact opposite.

That's why you're getting the stick you're getting. Based on your last post, it's entirely justified.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 07/05/2011 21:38
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

"What do you think I meant? Keep us up with a team that's far too good to go down?"

No such thing.

Are you new to this football lark?

I ask seriously, because you seem determined to show your credentials and yet don't seem to know owt.

dodger Posted on 07/05/2011 21:59
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

PAMH , like a politician , a slimy wriggler.

There's no fool like an old who does not have the self respect to admit he may be wrong.

[:o)] poster.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 07/05/2011 22:24
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Pog - I think you should just hold your hands up here and say you made a mistake.

I notice this thread was started on the back of us being mauled 5-2 down at Reading, a defeat which came on the back of some up and down performances and results. Losing to Reading in the way we did, after throwing two points away against Forest in the game prior, was hugely frustrating for us Boro fans.

But, what you did was to jump in and nail your colours to the mast far, far too early. Things took a little while to get going under Tony Mowbray in terms of consistency, both in our performances and our results, as well as the pattern of our play taking a bit longer to develop than we would have liked. Throughout those inconsistencies, though, the improvements under Mogga were there for all to see.

I think, personally, that you dived in head first and wrote Mogga off because Reading tw*tted us, we were struggling to hold onto leads during the previous couple of months and we were still hanging around near the bottom of the table. You weren't patient enough to see it through. You weren't prepared to give the new manager time to mould his team, or get his injured players back to fitness.

You made your judgement too quick, far too quick, and now you're too stubborn to admit that you got it wrong.

Over the past couple of months there has been a growing number of people on here who have freely admitted to changing their opinions on certain players(and I include myself in that), players like Marvin Emnes and Andrew Taylor, because those players are playing some really good stuff and contributing to a team on a really good run of form.

It's a shame you can't do the same with regards to our manager, the absolutely fantastic job he has done since he arrived, and where our club is heading under his management.

Jimmythemoonlight Posted on 08/05/2011 05:36
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[8D]

Steel-City_Smoggy Posted on 08/05/2011 05:46
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

I would prefer he didn't so we can keep this thread hoofed [^]

bombero Posted on 08/05/2011 06:23
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:D] more entertaining than the Manny fight.

ferrymans Posted on 08/05/2011 08:58
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Well posted Viv [^]

If only PAMH would admit to the error of his judgement in his original post [:(!]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 08/05/2011 10:31
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

"You said we were 'now' seeing why he wasn't the man for the job. How could we 'now' see it if what you actually meant was that we'd see why he wasn't the man for the job next season?

The qualification about the play offs and stubborn refusal to admit you were wrong have arisen since your initial point has proven untenable.

You said we could see right now why he wasn't the man for the job. However, every bit of evidence, every stat and every result points to the exact opposite.

That's why you're getting the stick you're getting. Based on your last post, it's entirely justified."

Yes when I said "now your seeing" it was referrence to why he won't get us out this division.

Your all demanding a result been called halfway through, ridiculous.

It's like asking me is Kenny Dalglish the man for Liverpool? Don't know he's done well this season but it depends if they can push for a Champion's League place next season.

Is Mowbray the man for Boro? Similarly he's done well this season but depends if we can get us in the play-offs next season.

Adi_Dem Posted on 08/05/2011 10:42
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Nice try.

"Yes when I said "now your seeing" it was referrence to why he won't get us out this division"

Right so you were saying, based on what you were seeing at that time that you didn't think he'd get us out of the division next season and that therefore he wasn't the man for the job.

You have shifted that now to 'let's see what happens next season' whereas, if you were being consistent, you'd be saying that based on the evidence of Mowbray's reign to date (a far longer period over which to judge him than there was at the time of your original post) there is evidence a plenty to prove that he IS the right man. But you're not, you're stubbornly refusing to acknowledge it and making up these ridiculous arguments and side steps.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 08/05/2011 10:45
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

"Right so you were saying, based on what you were seeing at that time that you didn't think he'd get us out of the division next season and that therefore he wasn't the man for the job."

Correct

Marc_Feld Posted on 08/05/2011 10:46
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

In the words of a great man...

"You twist and turn like a ... twisty-turny thing. I say you are a weedy pigeon and you can call me Susan if it isn't so."

Adi_Dem Posted on 08/05/2011 10:57
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

OK, so on the basis of his reign to date, have you changed your mind on your intial assessment?

Adi_Dem Posted on 08/05/2011 11:22
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Pog?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 08/05/2011 11:22
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Initially I thought he wasn't doing very well

Although the players were always too good for the bottom of the Championship I do accept that aswell as getting the results we have seen a massive improvement in the quality of football that we certainly did not get under Southgate or Strachan. He's even managed to get decent performances from Taylor and Emnes which was almost unthinkable before he took over so again he deserves credit.

He's brought the feel-good factor back in the past few months, again he deserves credit for that.

I've changed my mind in the sense I didn't think he'd get us up next year to I think he might, but like I've said before if he does get us promoted/play-offs I will come on here and accept I got it wrong and Mowbray's appoitment was a stroke of genius from Gibson.

The posts that haven't been hoofed are the ones where I have come on here and gave Mowbray credit, after the Reading game. But then again that wouldn't be a balanced argument would it. I won't be pushed into making a premature 'he was the right man, he is a genius, i was wrong' statements as none of us know what season will hold.

and for anyone on this board to suggest I'm not behind Mowbray is been ridiculous. I'm a Boro fan, I like Tony Mowbray, I'm renewing my ticket and will give any Boro manager my support

MawTheMerrier Posted on 08/05/2011 11:36
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Always makes me laugh this thread [:D]

Best of the year so far [:D]

red_shamrock Posted on 08/05/2011 11:41
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Not bad for your first attempt..grovel a bit more then denounce the Tories.

Adi_Dem Posted on 08/05/2011 11:47
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

It wouldn't have ever been hoofed had you come on here and said just that. Now you've admitted you were wrong in your initial judgement and accepted that he is the right man for the job it might not get hoofed quite so often.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 08/05/2011 12:11
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

"It wouldn't have ever been hoofed had you come on here and said just that. Now you've admitted you were wrong in your initial judgement and accepted that he is the right man for the job it might not get hoofed quite so often."

They can hoof it all they want they won't be get what they want until it's actually happened

FrozenHorse Posted on 08/05/2011 13:14
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

"I've changed my mind in the sense I didn't think he'd get us up next year to I think he might"

Well done Pog, not many on here are big enough to ever come on here and admit that they were wrong or they've changed their mind.

Case closed.

junkyard_angel Posted on 08/05/2011 13:24
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Reassuringly, he also thinks David Cameron is playing a blinder.

John67 Posted on 08/05/2011 13:42
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Junkyard: spot on, he is clearly a bit of an idiot and knows nothing about politics and football.

ExiledInBolton Posted on 08/05/2011 18:38
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Am disgusted that this has fallen onto P2!

Keep it here all summer so that Mogga can read PAMH's list of demands for next season.

"Dear Tony, I don't think you are a good manager despite taking a $hite squad up to mid table and getting players pulling together.

I demand you make the play offs next season, despite not having a clue what conditions you are working under.

Yours,

PAMH.

PS, do you know anything about cars? My doors keep falling off and there are carnations in the radiator."

gravyboat Posted on 08/05/2011 18:49
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

It's taken over 2 months, but an admission he was wrong should be enough to see this thread eventually drop away.


Jimmythemoonlight Posted on 09/05/2011 05:44
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:o)]

uglyrumour Posted on 09/05/2011 11:02
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

The curse of the internet; flame in haste repent at leisure.

Now we are seeing why neither Gareth nor Gordon were the men for the job.

I am happy to know that from the chairman to the coaching staff the team in charge at MFC are all Boro supporters. I think that shows.

Jimmythemoonlight Posted on 10/05/2011 08:46
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[LOVE]

Jimmythemoonlight Posted on 12/05/2011 19:37
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

[:o)]

Dibzzz Posted on 12/05/2011 19:43
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

Even though the thread doesn't work properly, you're still a [:o)]

keelo Posted on 12/05/2011 19:47
You're now seeing why Mowbray is not the man for this job

he knows as much about football as he does politics....[:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]