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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 21/02/2011 11:36
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The pub is a pleasent place to be now the smokers have been forced to take their disgusting habit outside

Sat in the pub at the weekend we looked back at the days when you'd be sat having a pint with somebody blowing their toxic fumes in your direction. Not good.

Well done Labour, you may have been useless at running the country but this is one of the few things you got spot on.

deganya Posted on 21/02/2011 11:37
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I think you will find it was our friends in Brussels who ordered us to go down that route.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 21/02/2011 11:38
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need to ban them outside next.

They tend to congregate at the entrance ffs

Rayman Posted on 21/02/2011 11:38
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Although there is a theory that the smoking ban was the final nail in the coffin of Stockton pubs. (see what I did there?) etc.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 21/02/2011 11:39
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Pogatetz [^][^][^][^][^]

mattrich Posted on 21/02/2011 11:41
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It would be interesting to know the figures for heavy drinking by Brits since the smoking ban was introduced, many smokers who used to drink in pubs now drink alot more at home bought from supermarkets at stupidly low prices, pre-smoking ban they were dictated by how much they had in there pocket, that doesn't matter now.

jam69 Posted on 21/02/2011 11:42
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dont think it was brussels,otherwise why dont other eu countries have it?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 21/02/2011 11:44
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people who smoke only go out to socialise if they can smoke?

must have ruined their lives the ban in all these public places.


HarryVegas Posted on 21/02/2011 11:44
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Speaking as a smoker (go on Pog, lecture me) I go to pubs far less and anyone in the pub trade will tell you there was a direct link between the ban and pubs going out of business .

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 21/02/2011 11:47
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'pub trade will tell you there was a direct link between the ban and pubs going out of business .'

thats not true. wasnt it something to do with the increase in cost of alcohol, pubs increasingly found it difficult to make a profit.

Ban on smoking was never mentioned, mind i presume it was a small factor.

HarryVegas Posted on 21/02/2011 11:51
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Nope. In the year following the ban, there were lots of features in the media about the direct effect on the trade of the ban.

I'm not saying it was wrong btw, but there were many stories linking the two.

squarewheelbike Posted on 21/02/2011 11:51
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Harry, I know someone who runs a successful London pub chain, and things got better when the ban came in. Alot of pub closures has much to do with a combination of reccession, duty and major chains like Wetherspoons piling it high and flooging it cheap.

RenegadePriest Posted on 21/02/2011 11:52
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Nowt to do with Brussels was it? Countries introduced this individually, and last time I went to Germany you could still smoke indoors or at the football stadium.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 21/02/2011 11:53
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I believe in live and let live, so was against it, but I have to say it is now much better for us non smokers. [^]

Should ban supermarkets selling beer and get people back in pubs. imo.

Midosparmo Posted on 21/02/2011 11:57
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XXXXXXed up beer gardens in the summer for none smokers [V]

Ban them in beer gardens too [^]

Billy_Ashcrofts_Pants Posted on 21/02/2011 12:01
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I now find it's easy to smell someone having a fag from 500 metres away since they banned it in pubs etc. For me i think it's great, they should ban them off the planet (cigarettes that is). However, got to be fair and let people do what they want in the areas they are allowed to do it.

Hurworth Posted on 21/02/2011 12:05
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It's cheap supermarket drink that's killing the pubs. How the once affluent pub in our very rural village stays open is a mystery.

We've lived in this village for more than 30 years and the pub had always "done well". Both my sons have worked there during holidays and at weekends to subsidise their uni costs.

Our pub is dying and the bad weather of the 2009 winter and 2010 winter is taking it's toll with cancelled Christmas bookings etc as we were virtually cut off.

I can foresee our pub being closed in the not too distant future and sold, without a license, to be demolished in favour of executive housing.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 21/02/2011 12:07
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Harry media hype any given situation up.

The_same_as_before Posted on 21/02/2011 12:14
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Never smoked ever and I think it was wrong. Put a sign outside the pub saying 'this is a smoking pub' and I will make the decision to go in or not. As this is a Sam smiths pub, I dont go in it.

Bingo halls have closed down with it, possibly the only reason the elserly bothered to get on a bus was to go to the bingo. Still, who gives a shoite.

chitsa Posted on 21/02/2011 12:14
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Maw the Merrier believes in live and let live then wishes to ban supermarkets from selling beer.

Inconsistent.

RenegadePriest Posted on 21/02/2011 12:18
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Is it inconsistant? He doesn't want smoking or drinking banned but he doesn't want the traditional alcohol establishments to shut down at the expense of supermarkets.

chitsa Posted on 21/02/2011 12:21
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As somebody who finds it too expensive to regularly buy beer at pub prices but can afford supermarket prices I would hardly say his 'live and let live' motto holds much water with that scenario.

So yes, inconsistent.

mattrich Posted on 21/02/2011 12:24
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Licensing authorities have alot to do with the problem, they have hired actors to go into a pub and act drunk to see if they get served, or deliberately let underage children go in with false ID to see if they get served, then have prosecuted the pub/licensee, yet when a supermarket has served underage drinkers they have been allowed to sack the worker and remain unpunished, double standards? Absolutley. Politicans love to knock the pub and throw accusations of binge drinking, how many times do you see the reporter stood in tesco who are selling lager cheaper than water and talking about alcohol related problems? Never.



As for the point about recession been a contributer for pubs closing, its wrong, there were 13 pubs a day shutting before UK went into recession, politically this isn't a problem because it suits a goverment for people to drink at home and have unreported domestic issues rather than have to report problems near pubs, it helps massage the crime numbers.

stevie-g888 Posted on 21/02/2011 12:27
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MidosParmo.... dead right! I would like to see the ban extended to beer gardens also[^]

(spoken as a true non-smoker of course)[^]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 21/02/2011 12:28
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'there were 13 pubs a day shutting before UK went into recession'

do you think the recession hit us on the day its was announced we were in a recession?

or had things been bad leading up to the BIG recession day?

stevie-g888 Posted on 21/02/2011 12:29
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BIG Recession Day for The BIG Society[rle]

zaphod Posted on 21/02/2011 12:31
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My son-in-law works in liquidations & bankruptcies. Most of his work in recent years has been related to unprofitable pubs after the smoking ban. Pubs find it hard to survive nowadays as purely drinking establishments. They have to offer more (food, music etc.).

stevie-g888 Posted on 21/02/2011 12:32
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Don't think pubs were promoted as 'smoking establishments'

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 21/02/2011 12:33
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so is it because of the drinking ban or because those pubs didnt offer more i.e. food etc?

I'd expect to be able to get food in a pub these days... is that such a bad thing?

mattrich Posted on 21/02/2011 12:34
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"'there were 13 pubs a day shutting before UK went into recession'

do you think the recession hit us on the day its was announced we were in a recession?

or had things been bad leading up to the BIG recession day?"




How far do you want to go back? 2006 was when the ban was introduced, at least a couple of years before the recession.

Midosparmo Posted on 21/02/2011 12:36
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So you are saying that smokers dont go out anymore to pubs and sit at home smoking instead?
Well the miserable coonts!

Its bollox, cheap supermarket beer is killing drinking pubs. Reasonably priced food pubs are doing fine.

squarewheelbike Posted on 21/02/2011 12:36
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Ban was 2007!

Hurworth Posted on 21/02/2011 12:36
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People's attitude to pubs and clubs has changed over the years. When there were lots of manual workers, and the manufacturing industries ruled Teesside then going to the pub or club on a night, sometimes every night, was the norm.

We used to go out, in couples, almost every weekend for a meal and a drink in a pub. We now go to each others house, about once a month, and have home made food and drinks for a fraction of the cost and it's more comfortable and satisfying too.

The pub and club trade has changed forever and sadly I don't see it ever coming back to it's former glory.


residentofnorthleeds Posted on 21/02/2011 12:36
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If pubs banned holier than thou non smokers they would be better places

Surely there's room for a smoking stand at the Riverside these days?

I_Shot_JR Posted on 21/02/2011 12:39
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Yes let's turf one lot outside to kill themselves with smoke so we can fit more inside to kill themselves with alcohol.

Excess consumption of alcohol is a much bigger blight on the NHS and this country than smokers.

stevie-g888 Posted on 21/02/2011 12:40
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Raz, dunno really. Times have changed over a period of time. The demise of the 'pub' is I think, due to a number of reasons. Too expensive to drink in (most) pubs these days.... oh, looks like that is it really[:O]

I am happy for pubs to be smoke free but would also like to be able to drink in a nice outdoor area without the smoke being an issue.

Also, you have to think that you can go to a pub to have a drink and socialise without having a cigarette.

The cinema is a 'smoke free' zone, and as far as I am aware, they are having record numbers attending cinemas these days.
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Hurworth Posted on 21/02/2011 12:40
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"Excess consumption of alcohol is a much bigger blight on the NHS and this country than smokers."

True, but there's no such thing as passive drinking, now is there?

PhillyMac Posted on 21/02/2011 12:41
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The argument whether there is a link between smoking and pubs closing is neither here nor there.

It was the right thing to do, and if there is a 'correction' in a certain segment of business, then so be it.

"It would be interesting to know the figures for heavy drinking by Brits since the smoking ban was introduced, many smokers who used to drink in pubs now drink alot more at home bought from supermarkets at stupidly low prices, pre-smoking ban they were dictated by how much they had in there pocket, that doesn't matter now."

Can we do a survey on taking personal responsibility at the same time?

TeessideCleveland Posted on 21/02/2011 12:45
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Most smokers have 'got on with it' and gone outside whebn they want a fag and fair play to them
Not bothered if they smoke in the doorways as it's just petty to have a go at them about that
Think the prioce of booze in shops has hit the pubs hard
A landlady we were speaking to recently was not happy with a nearby pub for buying booze on the cheap off a lorry while she paid full whack to the brewery

I_Shot_JR Posted on 21/02/2011 13:26
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Hurworth - "True, but there's no such thing as passive drinking, now is there?"

How about drink driving? Or violence and criminal damage?

I've been unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end of all three by people who have had too much to drink.
I'm not teetotal but I can enjoy a drink without havivg to get bladdered.

borobadge Posted on 21/02/2011 13:34
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brilliant!...and now to stop the modern day leppers from smoking in public places....

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/02/2011 13:34
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I was once assaulted in Newcastle city centre and left with a fractured cheekbone. The lad that done it was hammered, I hadn't had a drink and the attack was completely unprovoked. That goes down as something akin to 'passive drinking' in my book.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 21/02/2011 13:51
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What's wrong with the smokers going outside and having a smoke?

Don't see why smokers feel the need to boycott the pub because they can't smoke inside. I go out on a night with smokers and they have no problem going outside afew times a night for a cigarette.

Same people who said they we're going to boycott the Riverside when they banned smoking at the stadium. You can't last afew hours without smoke? Sad.

WHOPPING_GREAT_MONKEY_KNACKERS Posted on 21/02/2011 13:53
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SOME PROPER FANNIES ON HERE LIKE. MAN UP FFS

ITS ONLY A BIT OF SMOKE AND YOU DO LIVE IN THE SHADOW OF ICI ETC

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/02/2011 13:54
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"You can't last afew hours without smoke? Sad."

If you don't smoke, Pog, then you don't know. So you shouldn't really be passing any kind of judgement on people that do enjoy a cigarette. Just be happy that they're outside and out of your way.

WHOPPING_GREAT_MONKEY_KNACKERS Posted on 21/02/2011 13:55
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DONT BOVVA TRYIN TO REASON WITH THIS IDIOT VIVS

HE PROBABLY STILL LIVES AT HOME WITH HIS MAM

TeessideCleveland Posted on 21/02/2011 13:59
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And who do you live with?

WHOPPING_GREAT_MONKEY_KNACKERS Posted on 21/02/2011 14:01
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LIVE AND LET LIVE

borobadge Posted on 21/02/2011 14:04
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[:D]"LIVE AND LET LIVE "[:D]

except its K-I-L-L-I-N-G people..

WHOPPING_GREAT_MONKEY_KNACKERS Posted on 21/02/2011 14:05
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SO ARE THE FUMES FROM YOUR EXHAUST BUT I BET YOU STILL DRIVE?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/02/2011 14:15
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There are pubs doing very well since the smoking ban came in, the pub game are using the smoking ban as an excuse for people not going into their dreafully run establishments.

The pubs should be landlord owned, with licences available to anyone qualified to be a licensee. If pubs are closing it's down to them being mismanaged by the pub companies/breweries. Breweries shouldn't be allowed to hold licences, they would thenhave to get their product right. Pub companies shouldn't exist, full stop. They're badly handling pubs across the country.

As for the smoking ban. I'm not a smoker so I've benefitted from the ban but I don't think the pubs are doing enough for smokers.

borobadge Posted on 21/02/2011 14:19
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i am licensed to drive, but i dont, i dont even own a car, i walk, cycle or train...

those on the pavement with tobacco in hand or gob should be ringing bells , to warn the rest of the public that theyre there...

modern day leppers.

10 fags = 10, 20 fags = 20....

WHOPPING_GREAT_MONKEY_KNACKERS Posted on 21/02/2011 14:21
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BOROBADGE - BORING CNUTS LIKE YOU ARE MODERN DAY SOCIAL LEPERS WITH YOUR GOD-AWFUL BORING CRACK [V]

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 14:27
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What boiled my XXXXXX the most was going home stinking of the god awful stuff after a night out, guaranteed to make me puke when a regained consciousness.

squarewheelbike Posted on 21/02/2011 14:30
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Why is it with any smoking debate, non-smokers are "sanctimonious", "self-righteous" and "boring". Does smoking make you a better person? I think not!

WHOPPING_GREAT_MONKEY_KNACKERS Posted on 21/02/2011 14:31
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JUST READ THE COMMENTS AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF.

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 14:34
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On the flip side, my mates who smoke love the ban, gives them an excuse to offer pretty girls a light or talk about their 'brand'.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 21/02/2011 14:34
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Flar, enough already.[:D]

buttermyarse Posted on 21/02/2011 14:37
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I am a smoker and I agree 100% with the smoking ban.Nobody should have to put up with second-hand smoke from my habit.However the simple fact is smokers are generally more interesting and fun to be with than non-smokers and thats why they go ourside with the smokers[;)]

Rayman Posted on 21/02/2011 14:52
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All jokin' aside though it was a brilliant idea. I'm hoping that they'll take private cars off the road next. We must protect our kids from noxious fumes.

WHOPPING_GREAT_MONKEY_KNACKERS Posted on 21/02/2011 15:14
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AND IT MAKES YOU LOOK COOLER AND OLDER! [^]

Dibzzz Posted on 21/02/2011 15:15
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It is great waking up the next day not reeking of smoke.

cohen Posted on 21/02/2011 15:27
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First thing I noticed when the smoking ban took effect was how many pubs stank of pish!
Seem to have sorted that now!

Redcar_Sean Posted on 21/02/2011 16:13
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The smoking ban was the final nail in the coffin for a lot of pubs which were tinkering on the edge before it.
Cheap alcohol in supermarkets also had a contribution to the decline as well as higher duty on alcohol, therefore it's a number of factors.

As for banning supermarkets selling cheap booze, where will it end? Stop them selling chep veg because the local greengrocer is doing less trade? Or cheap milk because we used to get our milk from the milkman?
Unfortunately we live in a free market where we have a choice, we can spend our money in the SUPERmarkets, or support local business's and shop there, and that includes pubs. If we don't then soon there will be no choice, apart from out of town supermarkets. It's up to you!! (Sorry about going off on one abit)

And don't moan about smokers blocking entrances to pubs, most of the time they're joined by their non smoking mates who add to the problem.

One last point (coming from a non smoker), remember that smokers contribute alot of tax to the system which far outways the amount that is spent on the health service for smoking related diseases. So look at it as they are subsidising the amount of tax you have to pay, the more people pack in, the more tax you'll have to pay!

So don't knock them, encourage them to smoke more ;-)



no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 16:21
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So when did treatment for throat and lung cancer associated with smoking become free?

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 16:22
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The smoking ban is crap. This is meant to be a democratic country, was the smoking ban voted in? No. Do the majority of the country want it in place? Probably not.

Redcar_Sean Posted on 21/02/2011 16:26
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It doesn't it cost the NHS around 1.8Billion a year for smoking related diseases.

HM Revenue & Customs received 10.5billion from tobacco sales in 2010

Smokers die 5 years younger on average so think of the benefit savings too!

squarewheelbike Posted on 21/02/2011 16:28
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Smoking in over 16's approximately 21% of population, so 79% non smokers, seems democratic to me!

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 21/02/2011 16:29
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Loads of tab ends on the floor outside pubs[|)]

Put them in the bin you dirty ba$tards.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/02/2011 16:30
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Do the majority of the country want it in place? Probably.


no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 16:30
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'The smoking ban is crap. This is meant to be a democratic country, was the smoking ban voted in? No. Do the majority of the country want it in place? Probably not.'

If some one invented a device that keeps all the crap smokers exhale in a little bubble around their heads then fine, until then why should anyone be forced to inhale crap just to have a night out?

Redcar_Sean Posted on 21/02/2011 16:31
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You really think we live in a democracy?
What % of the adult population actually voted for the current government?

TeessideCleveland Posted on 21/02/2011 16:33
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'Loads of tab ends on the floor outside pubs'

And streets

In John Parrott's democratic country is throwing a dog end on the floor better than any other rubbish?

Midosparmo Posted on 21/02/2011 16:34
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"What % of the adult population actually voted for the current government? "

About 56% of the people who could be bothered to vote


no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 16:37
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It cost the nhs about 5 billion and thats only the cost that can be quantified.

Redcar_Sean Posted on 21/02/2011 16:39
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That's 56% of eligable people of which there was about a 65% turnout. And I'm pretty sure that most Lib Dems didn't vote for this state of affairs.

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:09
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"Smoking in over 16's approximately 21% of population, so 79% non smokers, seems democratic to me!"

Not necessarily. How many of the 79% want it in place? Some of the 79% may be pub owners who have subsequently shut down as a result of the ban - or at least suffered massively.

We, the smokers, practically fund this country.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 21/02/2011 17:11
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Yes because more than 29 per cent of the poulation are pub owners or ex pub owners

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:13
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That's not what I said, is it? Read it again.

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 17:15
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'No necessarily. How many of the 79% want it in place? Some of the 79% may be pub owners who have subsequently shut down as a result of the ban - or at least suffered massively.

We, the smokers, practically fund this country.'

XXXXXX..Its just as likely that some of the 21% of smokers are in favor of the ban. Some were considerate enough to smoke outside before the ban.


LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 17:18
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I still cant see why pubs werent given the option of being smoking or smoke free or if they had 2 rooms make one smoking and the other smoke free

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:20
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Maybe some of the 21% were in favour, who knows? We can only speculate.

The thing is, if you go into a pub and people are smoking in there, you're not automatically going to get cancer - it doesn't work like that.

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 17:21
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Its a ban on smoking in all public premises not just pubs.

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:22
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"I still cant see why pubs werent given the option of being smoking or smoke free or if they had 2 rooms make one smoking and the other smoke free"

Exactly. The thing is, us simple, normal people aren't capable of making decisions for ourselves, are we? We need a rich politician to tell us what decision we've got to make.

LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 17:24
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yes.....

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:25
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"Its a ban on smoking in all public premises not just pubs."

OK then, it doesn't really matter. It's still b*llocks.

If you're scared of getting cancer, get rid of everything in your house, board up and seal any windows and just sit. Even then, chances are, you will still get cancer.

Cancer is a fact of life - people get it. The smoking ban won't change that.

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 17:25
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'The thing is, if you go into a pub and people are smoking in there, you're not automatically going to get cancer - it doesn't work like that.'

Yes, because thats what everyone thinks when walking into a pub full of smoke. [8)]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/02/2011 17:26
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True, but the pub is better since they were banned [^]

mooghead Posted on 21/02/2011 17:27
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The smoking ban is the ONLY good thing that the labour government left us with

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john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:27
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"Yes, because thats what everyone thinks when walking into a pub full of smoke."

Right, so why was the smoking ban put in place? It wasn't to help boost a pub's profits, was it?

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 17:31
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So why should smokers be allowed to create a atmosphere full of second hand smoke that can cause head-aches and nausea to non-smokers, asthma attacks and people just to generally stink??

LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 17:31
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I still cant see why there cant be pubs where smoking is permitted [8)]

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:32
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"So why should smokers be allowed to create a atmosphere full of second hand smoke that can cause head-aches and nausea to non-smokers, asthma attacks and people just to generally stick??"

I don't know. I can't answer that.

Why should the non-smokers make us smoke outside? It's swings and roundabouts.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 21/02/2011 17:33
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JP you know - or should know - that most people support the ban
It's not a ban on smoking anyway just in public places

It will not be repealed as all the parties have MPs supporting it

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 17:34
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'I still cant see why there cant be pubs where smoking is permitted'

For the same reason a small business cant allow their building to be a smokers only building.

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:37
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"For the same reason a small business cant allow their building to be a smokers only building."

But that's completely different, though. It really isn't hard to understand.

If you want to argue THAT case, what's stopping a company having a smoking only room? It used to exist, as we all know.

My argument is pub-based.

mooghead Posted on 21/02/2011 17:38
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"Why should the non-smokers make us smoke outside? "

Are you serious? When I take up a habit that is bad for YOUR health then I would expect you to kick me the fcuk outside.

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 17:39
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Its not swings and roundabouts, non smokers don't do anything that could adversely effect the health of smokers. Like I said before if you could inhale 100% of your smoke or have a magic hat that kept it all around your own head the your argument has merits.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 21/02/2011 17:40
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'Why should the non-smokers make us smoke outside?'

That's because you haven't got the manners to do it of your own accord.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 21/02/2011 17:40
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I think your argument is you-based more than pub-based

No offence but you mention democracy and yet say it's undemocratic for our elected representatives to bring in rules that most voters support and all parties have MPs that support it

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:40
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"Are you serious? When I take up a habit that is bad for YOUR health then I would expect you to kick me the fcuk outside."

But how bad is my smoking for your health? Do you actually know? This has been my argument for years - where is the proof that people have been either severely affected or have dead purely because of second hand smokers?

I've never seen any.

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 17:46
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'But how bad is my smoking for your health? Do you actually know? This has been my argument for years - where is the proof that people have been either severely affected or have dead purely because of second hand smokers?

I've never seen any.'

Thats because you dont give a toss about anyone else clearly. I gave a few good examples, seems you have ignored them or find them not good enough to mean you have to go to the dreaded outside.

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 17:49
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no_user_name: I haven't read the entire thread, I'm afraid.

I don't mind smoking outside, it's not hard - although I'd much rather be able to sit inside where it's nice and warm.

As I say, I've never seen any definitive proof that second hand smoke has had such a detrimental affect on people's health.

It's not like you popped out for a few pints and to step over dead bodies, is it?

ChristsChin Posted on 21/02/2011 17:54
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you can't have smoking pubs or smoking rooms because the ban in pubs was brought in to protect staff, not customers. It's a smoking in the workplace ban, not a public place ban.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 21/02/2011 17:56
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I'm a smoker and I support the ban. There, i've said it.

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 17:59
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Do peaple need to drop dead like?

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 18:03
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No, "peaple" don't need to drop dead, of course not. But as I asked, where is the definitive proof that second hand smoke has caused so many cases of cancer and deaths?

mooghead Posted on 21/02/2011 18:05
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""Are you serious? When I take up a habit that is bad for YOUR health then I would expect you to kick me the fcuk outside."

But how bad is my smoking for your health? Do you actually know? This has been my argument for years - where is the proof that people have been either severely affected or have dead purely because of second hand smokers?

I've never seen any."

Ok, so your not being serious. Hook, line and sinker.... I'm a numpty for biting..

[|)]

LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 18:05
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comparing an office with a pub isnt like for like tho

theres absolutely no reason why pubs couldnt be given the choice

staff could move on if they didnt want to work in a smoking environment and those that were happy to continue as they have for years could do so, pub staff would find its level with those wanting to wok in non smoking pubs taking up the positions there and those happy in smoking environment would take positions in smoker friendly pubs

if youre a non-smoker your free to avoid pubs that are designated smoking allowed and frequent the ones that are smoke free while letting smokers frequent the smoking allowed pubs

Seriously I cant see the problem

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 18:07
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mooghead, of course I'm being serious. Why would you think otherwise? Is it because I dare to think that second hand smoke may not be as harmful as the government are making it out to be?

God forbid that anybody has a different view and dares to question what they're being told, eh?

TeessideCleveland Posted on 21/02/2011 18:07
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'staff could move on if they didnt want to work in a smoking environment'

Yes they should leave their jobs to allow people to smoke in the buildings

Never mind if they don't get another job

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 21/02/2011 18:09
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I've taken up smoking since the ban came in because all my mates would go outside and leave me on my own.

I'd go outside for the company and need a fag to help keep warm

It's ruined my health and my life.

LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 18:10
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and how many have lost their jobs due to pubs closing since the ban came in ???

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 18:11
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"I've taken up smoking since the ban came in because all my mates would go outside and leave me on my own.

I'd go outside for the company and need a fag to help keep warm

It's ruined my health and my life."

Satire? I hope so.

enigma17 Posted on 21/02/2011 18:13
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My dad smokes about 20 a day and even he fully supports it. Those who can't be arsed to step outside have bigger issues than their habit.

bill_door Posted on 21/02/2011 18:43
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One note - all those cigarette butts on the street that people are whining about?

They used to go straight into an ashtray on the table, which was then emptied into a bin.

Smoking ban = litter.[;)]

squarewheelbike Posted on 21/02/2011 19:24
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JP. There is overwhelming evidence of the dangers of passive smoking, just ask Roy Castle!

Oh, you can't he died of lung cancer caused by passive smoking!

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 21/02/2011 20:21
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I was in the beer garden last summer on a boiling hot day with the other half and a couple came to us and asked us if we would move inside as they smoked and needed to sit outside!

Fobbed them off but they were genuinely offended that we wouldn't sit inside on one of the hottest days of the year so they could smoke! [rle]

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 20:32
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Is there definitive proof that Roy Castle's lung cancer was caused due to passive smoking, though? Where did he live? London? If he did, perhaps the city pollution triggered his cancer off? Or perhaps it was hereditary?

Either way, Roy Castle is one example. Is that enough to justify a smoking ban? Perhaps all men should be castrated because most paedophiles are men?

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 20:37
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Jp, ffs do a bit of research yourself.

Hercules Posted on 21/02/2011 20:39
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john_parrot's like those who deny the holocaust.

Passive smoking increases the chance of somebody being diagnosed with cancer. There is no two ways about it.

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 20:41
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I'm not saying it doesn't play a part. I'm questioning the extent it plays.

Hercules Posted on 21/02/2011 20:46
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If it increases my chances of getting cancer by as much as 0.0000000000001% without giving me any benefit whatsoever I want no part of it.

Even less if it actually detracts from my quality of life.

bill_door Posted on 21/02/2011 20:48
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Pog, those smokers wouldn't have bothered you if they could smoke inside.

The ban forces them outside, you rejoice at how great the pubs are, then go and sit outside yourself where the smokers have to go.[?]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 21/02/2011 20:48
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The North Stand concourse was a disgusting place to be particulary at half time, sifting your way through the smoker's fumes to go to the toilet [V]

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 20:54
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Breathing in passive smoke even for a a few drags is enough to give me a pounding headache, it also stings my eyes when exposed for a longer period. It totally ruined my nightlife until the ban came in.
Now I can have a few pints with my mates without the need to go home and die on the sofa for a couple of hours.
But of course i'm obviously the only one.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 21/02/2011 21:07
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People that dont smoke are generally XXXXXXs. [^]

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 21:09
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Firstly I am a smoker.

I had no problem with the ban in pubs, public buildings, offices etc. I did feel that a private members clubs should be given the option of having smoking areas. After all it is an individuals choice to join the club, and then they have a further choice of sitting in the smoking room (drinks could even be purchased in another area).
It seems that the whole thing has become an exsessive march of the government deciding that one section of society can not properly enjoy a product that the said government highly taxes. I acknowledge that most people are now against it, but I am personally very against the high use of motor cars and all the pollution they cause. Which will have a much more destructive and long term effect on the planet we live on, than tobacco use.
You are sitting in homes filled with petrochemically produced good, which again are causing far more environmental damage to our one and only home. Yet you all want these things so are unwillinging to relinquish the benefits you recieve regardless of the consequences (a smoker is derided for the same thought process).
It is now past "health promotion strategies" and has almost entered the world of "Doublespeak" as images of Churchill and Brunnel are vandalised in some pathetic attempt to ignore that a person is still person even if they smoke.



And just for the squeeky voiced airstrip one dweller that is Pogatetz "Its really brilliant" Ate My Hamster a link...


Link: Oh look at me its brilliant...

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 21:13
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"Breathing in passive smoke even for a a few drags is enough to give me a pounding headache, it also stings my eyes when exposed for a longer period. It totally ruined my nightlife until the ban came in.
Now I can have a few pints with my mates without the need to go home and die on the sofa for a couple of hours.
But of course i'm obviously the only one."

What a fanny.

squarewheelbike Posted on 21/02/2011 21:18
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JP. Doctors put Roy Castles cancer down to the smoke he inhaled nightly in clubs, whilst establishing his career.

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 21:19
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Maybe he should have chosen a new career then, the f*cking martyr.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 21/02/2011 21:24
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Wasn't Roy castle a Nazi anyway?

Smokers 1 Nazis 0


squarewheelbike Posted on 21/02/2011 21:26
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SWB wins bet on what JP's predictable reply would be![:D]

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 21:27
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hows that research going jp? as for me being a fanny. What I failed to mention was my allergy to nicotine.

But again I must be the only one. Ignorant fool.

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 21:27
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I've got to say Parrot your not doing much for the "freedom of choice" arguement.
Best just pipe down (pardon the pun) as I think it's all a bit above your intelectual level[:D]

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 21:29
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It's not.

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 21:32
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Defo on a wind-up.

jimborored Posted on 21/02/2011 21:34
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Speaking as a recent ex smoker and in no way anti smoking for everyone. Its your choice. I was just talking to my 15 Year old daughter a while back about this ( when I still smoked) I cant believe how stupid the thought of smoking in a pub seams now. To my shame I used to take my daughter for pub meals on a sunday when she was younger when it was still legal.[|)]

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 21:36
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"its not" really brilliant reply.

To argue the point of smoking you cannot come from the angle of health issues as it is without doubt the primary cause of a number of progressive and terminal diseases along with numerous secondary illness. This is fact, undisputable fact. So when you voice statments regarding Roy Castle career choice you just reinforce to the anti smoker that smokers are idiots.
And you really are doing a brilliant job at it.

boro74 Posted on 21/02/2011 21:38
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What gives smokers the right to force me to inhale their poisonous fumes?

LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 21:40
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htf could roy castle inhale smoke while doing his act, he spent most of it blowing a trumpet [?]

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 21:48
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boro74 read my longer post to understand some of the hypocrsy of your statement.

john_parrott Posted on 21/02/2011 21:48
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I'm not on a wind-up.

Redcar_Sean Posted on 21/02/2011 21:49
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Like I've already said this country needs more smokers....increases tax revenue, reduces life expectancy by 5 years so can't be all bad. Smokers are doing their bit for their country..are you?

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 22:03
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Ron, in your long post, there are a lot of pros and cons to what you suggest both with cars and with food production, but to suggest hypocrisy to those who ask why should a non-smoker be forced to breath in smoke is a bit much.
There are no pros to a non-smoker forced to breath in smoke.

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 22:14
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You could argue that the long term use of cars and particularly oil based products is "a bit much".
Yes i acknowledge that it is an extreme example but why should I as a cyclist/walker be forced to breathe in car fumes or be at rsik of being killed by the couple of ton killing machines.
As i said earlier I have no problem with smoking been band in certain environments but there is now no indoor place for a smoker to sit except for their own home. I have children so its been at least 4 years since I've smoked indoors. Does this seem fair.

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 22:16
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Ron, I assume we'll be allowed to smoke and drink in our library?

I hope so or I'm not coming [:(!]

bill_door Posted on 21/02/2011 22:19
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If not you can smoke in mine SW, but don't bring your stinking car too close.[^]

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 22:21
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Only a pipe with some Borkum pipe tobacco or a large fat cuban cigar will be allowed along with an appropriate Brandy or highland whisky.[:D]

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 22:23
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Awesome Bill ... books, ladders, spiral staircases, secret compartments & passageways, drinking, smoking, intellectual conversation lol ...

Don't worry, I wouldn't dream of bringing my stinking car anywhere near the place

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 22:27
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Ron, can girls smoke pipes / cigars? [cr]

I may need to get some practice in if they're the rules ... not that I object of course.

LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 22:29
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girls smoking my pipe [^]

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 22:31
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[:D] Lingdale !

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 22:31
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Mmmm "Girls" in the library. I didn't really plan for that, I thought women would only be allowed in to clean and dust down the books, give the antiques a polish and to clean out the hearth and set the fire.

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 22:32
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What?!? Ron, I thought we agreed ... [:(] [:(]

Bill, are girls allowed in yours, for anything other than carrying out menial tasks? [?]

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 22:32
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I agree the use of oil is a problem, but it is also unfortunately vital to the world we live in. Cars/vans/lorries and the fumes are a compromise to the benefits they bring to our everyday lives, hopefully that will end one day, but this a debate for another tread.

I'm not against smokers having their own place for entertainment, however they will need to serve their own drinks. [^]

LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 22:33
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Open net, couldnt miss [:D]

LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 22:33
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ah ha no user name agrees with me [^]

bill_door Posted on 21/02/2011 22:34
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Ron, SW would bring a touch of grace to the room, she'll be our Literature Totty.

One of us, but better looking.[ref]

bill_door Posted on 21/02/2011 22:35
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SW - see above, you'll be much more than just a servant-girl.

Nevertheless, that ladder will need a little dust down every once in a while...

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 22:35
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[^][:D] Thanks Bill

I'm prepared to get you drinks and pop up and down the ladder to fetch books etc, if required [:D]

robbso Posted on 21/02/2011 22:38
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We are slowly getting to the stage when people are going to start dying of feck all.

Smoking is just natures way of keeping the population down.One of the first thing man learned to do was make fire,obviously to spark up when all the plagues etc failed to keep us in check.[;)]

LingdaleLegend Posted on 21/02/2011 22:39
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so speaketh the expert on fire


how we laughed when you set fire to the plant cos you couldnt get a swap for the man city game

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 22:41
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This thread is getting better [^]

Gillandi Posted on 21/02/2011 22:42
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I believe Caroline Flint was quite influential in getting the campaign going for a smoking ban. Which is a real pity. As a smoke fetishist I think she'd look hot as hell chugging on a Marlboro Light.

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 22:43
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Sw my humblest appologies I just presumed you were a man becuase of your devastating wit and intellect. You may be an honorary and equal member of the library.
And for my faux pax I will clean and dust down all the books[:D]

no_user_name Posted on 21/02/2011 22:45
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Gillandi - [:D]

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 22:48
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Tut tut Ron, I already told you I was a girl when I was enquiring about the star destroyer the other week and someone expressed concerns over the robustness of the gearboxes where women drivers were concerned [cr]

Thanks for the honorary and equal membership [^]

No worries about the cleaning and dusting, I'm happy to do it ... just keep my drink topped up and my pipe / cigar lit [:D]

Do I need to get a smoking jacket?

I have images in my mind of the snooty wine club in Frasier [:D]

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 22:52
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Ah the battle cruiser sketch/thread, I'm usually stuying at the same time as making inane comments on here so I dont always read the threads as studiously as I should.

Yeh a smoking jacket would be cool, silk maybe. Nice art Nouveau floral pattern on it, maybe a purple velvet trim also.

You do know that traditon dictates that a lady shall wear only the smoking jacket and nothing else, I know it would be an inconvienence but tradition does dictate and plus Bill and I will have the fire roaring...hahahaha[:P]

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 22:57
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Ron, I feel it's only right to observe tradition in these instances ... so no complaints from me ...

I'll start looking for an appropriately sophisticated smoking jacket ... purple velvet trim sounds good, if you could let me know the colour scheme of the furniture / upholstery I can ensure that I fit in nicely

Out of curiosity ... what is the tradition regarding men and smoking jackets? It WILL be hot in there with that roaring fire and all the running up and down the ladder / staircase ...

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 23:04
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I would probably wear something like this[:D]


Third outfit down


Link: Toodle pip

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 23:10
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Very dapper [^]

I'm assuming you could carry that off with style?

Will Bill be wearing something similar?

I'm starting to feel I might be a little underdressed, wouldn't want to lower the tone of the place [cr]

ron_manager Posted on 21/02/2011 23:17
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Oh yes, tall enough!

I assume Bill will be as he is a gentlemen.

Sorry its tradition[:D]

changingman Posted on 21/02/2011 23:17
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Not read all of the above have to be honest but I am a smoker and given the choice would still love to smoke inside.

It's a one side or the other debate in my mind, simple as.

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 23:24
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Hopefully not so tall that you don't even need the ladder?

Glad to hear Bill is a gentleman and will be dressed accordingly [:D]

Ok, well if you're sure it's the tradition, I will of course be happy to oblige

buttermyarse Posted on 21/02/2011 23:30
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"Not read all of the above have to be honest but I am a smoker and given the choice would still love to smoke inside."


Well you cant so tough shoite!! Even though most smokers are infinitely more fun to be with the law is the law.Ex-Smokers like Corcaigh are the biggest bores in the world[;)]

squarewheelbike Posted on 21/02/2011 23:34
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"Most smokers are infinitely more fun to be with".

That's what I always think when I pass those smokers with their cans of Tennants Super and Special Brew most days!

SW_Boro Posted on 21/02/2011 23:35
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Ron, still searching for an appropriate smoking jacket, but found some nice cocktail dresses (including a particularly stylish 1960s Breakfast at Tiffany's style black one, with hat and sunglasses) ... perfect, in the event that we decide to hold a black tie evening every once in a while [:D]

bill_door Posted on 21/02/2011 23:36
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Excellent, I've just been doing something annoying but I come back and we have SW willing to wear nothing but a smoking jacket.[ref]

Which reminds me Ron, did I tell you that I've always wanted one of those grates that blows air from the floor?[:D]

I like your choice of outfit Ron, but I should warn you both that I never wear anything but my boxers when I'm indoors.[^]

Off to bed now. In my boxers.

buttermyarse Posted on 21/02/2011 23:37
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That's what I always think when I pass those smokers with their cans of Tennants Super and Special Brew most days!

Thats whar you get for living in Grove Hill.You should have tried harder at school and got yourself a decent job.Then you could live somewhere nice[;)]

Gillandi Posted on 21/02/2011 23:41
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The conversations are a lot more interesting outside under those canapy's on most nights out I have. You can actually hear yourself have a conversation outside. Something should be done about the noise pollution inside. My poor lugs.

squarewheelbike Posted on 22/02/2011 00:18
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Butter, for reasons too long to go into I'm currently in Eastbourne. Bizarrely all the local "turps nudgers" congregate in the doorway of the main post office. The CPSO's cross the road to avoid them.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 22/02/2011 07:17
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most smokers stink of smoke.

bless 'em

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 22/02/2011 08:22
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[:D]