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Bernie_is_banned Posted on 15/02/2011 15:41
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Link: Newsnight

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 15/02/2011 15:48
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Maybe if there were less academics there would be more to spend on working class job creation.

oooooo Posted on 15/02/2011 15:55
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Dan, how do you propose to get rid of them? [?]

I still wouldn't base anything on the American model.

oooooo Posted on 15/02/2011 15:57
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Dan, how do you propose to get rid of them? [?]

I still wouldn't base anything on the American model.

superstu Posted on 15/02/2011 16:02
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[^] To Americans who agree with Bernie_is_banned on how to best govern the UK.

[V] To Corcaigh, an Englishman living in America having an opinion on the governance of the UK.

Am I doing it right Bernie_is_banned?

the_elf_unit Posted on 15/02/2011 16:12
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What a load of cack. When I was in the Balkans last year I travelled around for a couple of weeks with an American lass from California. We got on to the subject of what we do for a living etc. She told me she was unemployed but does contract work within IT. She went on to say that she was claiming benefits and that she didnít have to "sign on" as there was too many claimants. She was mailed a cheque each week and she sent a receipt back. She said he neighbour was signing them for her whilst she was away. She also said that she didnít have to look for work as it wasnít enforced that much.

billdoor Posted on 15/02/2011 16:33
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How exactly does this work Bernie?

Are they saying that the unemployed are basically forced into any jobs available?

Or that they should work whilst receiving support, as in the recently-mooted 'do community work every day to get benefits'?

The_same_as_before Posted on 15/02/2011 16:42
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Remember this is a country about to have a civil war over right of health care for all.

orlando2boro Posted on 15/02/2011 16:43
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Under Clinton the Welfare to Work Act was passed. It basically cut the time you can claim benefits. It forced people to seek work. So the lady you are talking about Elf has to soon look for a job or her benefits will run out.
It also forced people to take any job. If there was a job at Walmart and they offered it to you then you have to take it or lose benefits. Even if you are over qualified.
I have never claimed in the USA or UK but have lived and worked in both. But based on what I know about both systems the UK system is easier to exploit for those that want a free ride.
I would not go as drastic as the USA but use better enforcement of who can get benefits and how long. The USA system basically allows people to fall by the side of the road with no help. I think there is a middle ground.

billdoor Posted on 15/02/2011 16:44
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It also has huge numbers of people unemployed and homeless.

There's also a massive difference in size and population numbers but I'd still like to know exactly how it works as that article is short and not particularly specific.

guyb Posted on 15/02/2011 16:58
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As a Brit living in the states who spent six months on the dole here I can say without here of contradiction that Lawrence Mead is a XXXXXXing idiot.

At last count, there were 41.8m Americans living on food stamps - god knows how many have dropped of this system and have to fend for themselvs - which make no mistake, is what happens here. You only get unemployment benefit for 99 weeks here in any case - after that, best sell a Kidney.

squarewheelbike Posted on 15/02/2011 17:10
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Let's not forget the return of "Hoovervilles" either. Don't think they're best placed to criticise.

zaphod Posted on 15/02/2011 17:13
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The US as a nation is more or less indifferent to the welfare of the disadvantaged & less fortunate. I don't think that's a moral stance that I would want to see imported to the UK.

We do need to tackle the problem of people who choose unemployment & living off welfare as a lifestyle option, but not in the callous way that the US favours.

orlando2boro Posted on 15/02/2011 17:49
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The funniest thing that it is the Christian Right that are the loudest ones complaining about people getting welfare. As a nation I think we would want to make sure that everyone is taken care of.
Health Care is an example of what goes on in USA politics to see how a debate about what most countries consider a moral right gets turned into a debate on communism and socialism. The "Right" actually think Obama is like Hitler because he wanted Universal Healthcare and that is what Hitler had in Nazi Germany.
The same applies with abortion and the death penalty. They think it is wrong to have an abortion but it is "unAmerican" not to use the death penalty. Death Penalty not killing, Abortion killing.

squarewheelbike Posted on 15/02/2011 17:56
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Orlando, I was reading in one of the sensible Sundays, about a Republican Congressman who was userped by the "Tea Party". One of his former backers berated him for not realising that Obama wanted to "open the border to Mexico, and turn the US into an Islamic state"!

orlando2boro Posted on 15/02/2011 18:30
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There was a poll out a few months back that showed half of all Republicans/Tea Party thought not only was Obama a Muslim but he was not even born in the USA.

littlejimmy Posted on 15/02/2011 18:34
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For a supposedly "Christian" nation, you do have to wonder at their moral stance on some issues.

Boromart Posted on 15/02/2011 18:40
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"At last count, there were 41.8m Americans living on food stamps - god knows how many have dropped of this system and have to fend for themselvs - which make no mistake, is what happens here."

Factor in that there are almost 2.5mill Americans in prison, a large number of who ended up there due to petty criminal activity after there benefits ran out. These prisoners are now cheap labour to the government, so I guess they do end up getting a job, but it's as bad as the workhouses in this country in the 1700s and 1800s.

The system is more broken in the US than UK.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 15/02/2011 18:43
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I don't come to many junctions that are beggar free on my drive home.


Borocelt Posted on 15/02/2011 18:48
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So Bernie, you thick chunt, did these measures help America avoid the GLOBAL financial crisis? No!?!?

Are we to assume that you also take the American institutions view, that we need to spend to stimulate the economy, rather than making vicious cuts?

Or does your argument change when it comes to that particular sticking point by any chance?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 15/02/2011 18:50
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'So Bernie, you thick chunt'

What brings you to that conclusion?

north_east_invader Posted on 15/02/2011 18:52
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"What brings you to that conclusion?"

Significant evidence built up over numerous posts covering some considerable time period ?

Just a guess like.

orlando2boro Posted on 15/02/2011 18:57
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I don't know about Bernie or his alledged "thick chunt", but I do think the government has to put money into the economy. If there is no money flowing in the economy from private sector, then government has to make up for it. If not the economy shrinks.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 15/02/2011 19:02
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That's exactly what it's all about. The failure of the private sector.

guyb Posted on 15/02/2011 19:09
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The same Private sector that the UK Coalition government has bet the farm will ride to the rescue...[8)]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 15/02/2011 19:12
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The private sector has to learn to spread the wealth if it's to increase the market.

Borocelt Posted on 15/02/2011 19:15
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"Significant evidence built up over numerous posts covering some considerable time period ?"

Absolutely.

Some people find a humour in repetition. To me, it's a sign of stupidity.

SidSnot Posted on 15/02/2011 19:35
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The private sector has to learn to spread the wealth if it's to increase the market.

Good call that Cat. I'm a big fan of the Private Sector, but it has yet to show it can be responsible enough to take over more public sector activities.