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Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 11:42
Teesside Anti "Cuts" Demo Flops

Just over 100 turned out according to the Gazette. Judging by the copious pictures, they were all students and council workers who know the gravy train is approaching the buffers (eg: "Sarah Hannan, a Unite member who works in Middlesbrough Councilís welfare rights department, addressed the rally").

WTF is the "welfare rights department"? Wonder how we will cope when that goes [rle]

As i keep saying, the majority of people know that following Labours years of pouring money into the public sector black hole, the spending has to stop. It will be tough for some, but the alternative is to end up like Greece or Ireland.

In other words, there is no alternative.


r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 11:44
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Welfare rights concerns giving advice and support to people who need advice on benenfits, taxes,rights at work,appeals procedures,solicitors, etc. Very useful and worth the money.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 11:46
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Sounds like it's there to help people take out the absolute maximum they can from the benefit system.

Great. [rle]


r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 11:52
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Like soldiers families, people leaving hospital,the elderly, young mums,the disabled and mentally ill. People discriminated against at work and made redundant without proper notice. People fleeced by unscrupilous landlords and companies.

The most vulnerable in our society. Il send my long term patients round to your house when they are ready to leave hospital without a home, family, support etc and the soldiers suffering mental illness after being medically discharged from the Army.


deganya Posted on 13/02/2011 11:57
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Doesn't sound like that at all Bernie, but you are such a bigot that I can understand why you think like that. You think everyone on benefits are scroungers which shows what type of tosser you really are.

My mates dad is dying, he has terminal cancer and a few months to live. If he had had some good advice from people like Welfare rights, he would have been entitled to Attendance allowance, he's only just got it but with proper advice he would have got it months ago. But as he doesnt have much to do with the benefits system he wouldn't know about these sort of things would he?

You wouldn't last five minutes in a pub spouting your crap bernie, because they would be good decent people lining up to slap you.

Space_Face Posted on 13/02/2011 12:04
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Redcar & Cleveland's Welfare Rights team is going too. Will be a big loss and many vulnerable poeple will suffer.

zorro_mfc Posted on 13/02/2011 12:09
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I love posts like this, you do realise that getting rid of "these people" means we will still be paying for them via JSA only now they won't able to provide and pay into the economy in the way they did before so yes cut loads of jobs and create more unemployed that will help save the country money.


Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 13/02/2011 12:13
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Deganya [^]

keelo Posted on 13/02/2011 12:20
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Im not a student or a council worker and I was there....You really are a misinformed bigoted clown!

HarryVegas Posted on 13/02/2011 12:29
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So Bernie.....caught out not knowing what you're spouting off about - again [?]

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 12:30
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"If he had had some good advice from people like Welfare rights, he would have been entitled to Attendance allowance, he's only just got it but with proper advice he would have got it months ago."

You've defeated your own arguement there. We have this department, yet this guy still didn't get the right advice? Sounds like it's wholly inneficient. Ripe for cutting.

degsyspesh Posted on 13/02/2011 12:31
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What do "Welfare Rights" teams do that Citizen Advice doesn't already do?

joebolton Posted on 13/02/2011 12:40
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Welfare Rights work alongside CAB.Partners if you like.
It is a shame that a lot of people are going to lose their jobs, and I think it is an unpleasant trait to appear to gloat over it, but it remains a fact that the Council will have less money to spend, and as welfare rights can be accessed through CAB, and if push comes to shove by searching for yourself on Direct Gov, then this part of the Council service is a potential saving.

whale_oil_beef_hooked Posted on 13/02/2011 12:41
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I was also there and ime not a student or even a public sector worker, and to be hoonest i would have said that there was nearer 200 people not the 100 mentioned in the tory gazette !!!

deganya Posted on 13/02/2011 12:49
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Citizens Advice is being cut too, as well as Welfare rights. just at a time when they are going to be needed.

Yeah you gloat Bernie, shows that you really are a true tory, uncaring, uncompassionate, flaky and bigoted.

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 12:50
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The fact that some show so much ignorance about welfare rights is proof enough for its need to continue supporting the most vulnerable peole and those who need it.

HarryVegas Posted on 13/02/2011 12:51
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The fact is that the tories on here don't give a toss, as long as they're ok [V]

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 13:06
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Nobody is gloating. It's a case of identifying suitable targets for the cuts.

200, rather than 100 at the protest eh? Well, i take it all back then. The whole of Teesside is apoplectic [rle]

HarryVegas Posted on 13/02/2011 13:08
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Bernie, I think most people who read you referring to a valuable service as a 'gravy train' would think you are gloating.

Jollyboy Posted on 13/02/2011 13:09
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Tory Gazette [:D]

HarryVegas Posted on 13/02/2011 13:11
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Who owns the gazette these days? It used to be Thomson Group and that's def a tory organisation!

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 13:12
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Lets all give special thanks to Bernie for providing valuable publicity to the campaign to save the welfare rights service in Middlesbrough and Redcar. Now we can tell friends and family and raise the issue perhaps with local councillors/contact Ray Mallon/ write to the Gazette / Contact your MP / visit the service and give them moral support.

zorro_mfc Posted on 13/02/2011 13:15
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harry its part of the Trinity Mirror group now

rob_fmttm Posted on 13/02/2011 13:17
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The Mirro Group own the Gazette.

Bernie regardless of your politics - people losing their jobs or at best facing uncertainty, the vulnerable losing invaluable protection - surely absolutely no reason to gloat on a public forum.

I don't know whether you are from Teesside but or not if so it could be your neighbours, your friends or even your customers that are staring into troubled, uncertain times. To make a post like you have is truly insensitive.

As to the Gazette they surely need to start taking a lead and defend their own readers or ultimately they will have no readers left.

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 13:28
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Cant see a queue of private companies wanting to dive in and provide this free service to people who can ill afford to pay solicitors and money advisors.

43myarse Posted on 13/02/2011 13:33
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'The fact is that the tories on here don't give a toss, as long as they're ok '

The true fact is the vast majority of people of any political leaning don't give a toss as long as they're ok....... and that, is an essential animal trait that will never and probably shouldn't ever change...... [^]

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 13:36
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"animal trait".

Oh yeah. Like:

men being the stronger sex.

white people being the master race

war and fighting is a territorial instinct

survival of the fitest....[cr]


Jurrasic Park is alive and well on Teesside.

whale_oil_beef_hooked Posted on 13/02/2011 13:44
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The cuts havent started to bite yet...but they will in the next few months, when more and more people will be out of work...how long until the double dip recession..??

How many nurses are we going to lose from local hospitals....dirty dave is trying to do what maggie tried in privatising the NHS...funny all the private companies are the donators to the party coffers.

As i said the bites havent started to take effect yet..lets see how many gloaters we get when they do !!!!

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 13:45
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wobf[^]

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 13:50
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Rob - i'm really not gloating. I've been laid off several times over the years, and the dole is there as a safety net for the first few months. It's not a nice feeling, but it's an occupational hazard for those in the private sector or contract workers. What the public sector is facing up to is nothing different from what other industries face whenever a market turns down.

But these are harsh times, and public service functions are going to have to be cut back from "nice to haves" to "must haves" only.

It's my opinion that many, though by no means most, in organisations such as the council have been getting well paid for roles that are neither necessary or cost effective to the council tax payer.

I'd be interested to hear others ideas on how money can be saved at local level.

43myarse Posted on 13/02/2011 13:56
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What I can't understand is why on earth have we got any 'nice to haves'.....The public sector should only ever have 'must haves'

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 13/02/2011 14:17
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I am glad to see that common sense prevailed.

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bryan_munich Posted on 13/02/2011 14:18
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I'd be interested to hear others ideas on how money can be saved at local level.
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Th obvious answer is to have across the board pay cuts o a faiure scare to reflect salary differentials. This should also applied to MPs and other Civil Servants in central government.

But before you can do any of that, the widespread feeling that the cuts are not being fairly distributed needs to be addressed, but as the gov't is running scared of the banks that simply isn't going to happen.

squarewheelbike Posted on 13/02/2011 14:26
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I agree Milton, Rob hit the nail on the head!

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 14:32
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Bryan_Munich

Although i agree in principle, I don't think that would come anywhere near to saving the billions that needs to be found. According to last weeks prees reports, we are paying 120 million per day in debt interest. With the best will in the world, salary cuts or freezes are a drop in the ocean.

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 14:34
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"debt interest" to who? The banks "we" are paying for by losing our jobs and services.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 14:36
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Here we go again. How did the banks cause Brown & Blair to bloat the public services to a point where, in some towns, more than 50% of those in employment are working for the public sector?

Scrote Posted on 13/02/2011 14:40
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"why on earth have we got any 'nice to haves'.....The public sector should only ever have 'must haves'"

must have: rubbish collection

nice to have: recycling collection
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must have: verge cutters

nice to have: flower beds & well tended parks
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must have: school travel arrangements

nice to have: personalised transport for the most needy/vulnerable
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which of the above should we cut first?

'nice to haves' are usually the bits that separate us from the dark ages...

bryan_munich Posted on 13/02/2011 14:41
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I don't think that would come anywhere near to saving the billions that needs to be found.
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But as you don't have any figures we don't know how significant this would be, alongside hammering the bankers and taxing other top earners.

As for high levels of public sector employment, particularly in the north and Midlands, why do you think that is?

Scrote Posted on 13/02/2011 14:44
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"more than 50% of those in employment are working for the public sector"

another meaningless stat

the country is divided up into areas representing a certain amount of 'need' in terms of public service

the number of public sector workers is therefore relatively static outside of social services departments

1000 public sector workers in middlesbrough is a far higher percentage of the workforce than 1000 public sector workers in surrey

what you need to ask is why there is less than 50% employment in some parts of the country...

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 14:44
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Private Finance Initiative - remortgaging out public assets to private banks. Increased public spending is a myth. Case you hadnt noticed they carried on the privatisation ideology of the last 30 years. The last 30 years is about susidising private profits with our money.Propping up failing private capital with money gleaned from the sale of public assets including steel, gas,electricity, railways, airports authority,water, etc, etc.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 15:04
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"the number of public sector workers is therefore relatively static outside of social services departments"

Well that just isn't true. It's a matter of record that the public sector balloned out of control under Labour. Not just in poor areas like Teesside either. Affluent Morpeth has one of the highest levels of public sector workers.

By the way, did you know that 38,000 public sector workers are on over 100K ? Of them, over 9,000 earn more than the PM (142k).

And still people say there shouldn't be cuts!




Link: Investigative Journalism

br14 Posted on 13/02/2011 15:04
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'getting rid of "these people" means we will still be paying for them'

Yes. But not as much.

"'nice to haves' are usually the bits that separate us from the dark ages..."

Which is where the country will end up if the debt gets much higher and the IMF has to bail out the UK. They won't be as gentle as the coalition when it comes to cuts.

zorro_mfc Posted on 13/02/2011 15:05
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why not scrap trident then... idf we are that desperate

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 15:06
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Last year:

£9Billion (not million) public susidies to the private railways companies.

£350M subsidy to Stagecoach group who made £265M profits.

Think.

br14 Posted on 13/02/2011 15:08
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"why not scrap trident then"

You have a point. Perhaps it will cost almost as much to scrap. Contract termination penalties etc.

Or it could just be that Trident rescues some of the UKs rapidly diminishing global influence.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 15:09
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And which party was that under please???

What? Labour? Surely not.

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 15:11
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Lets stop subsidizing private rail and coach operators to the tune of £££££Billions. Thats a start.

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 15:13
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The subsidy continues.

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 15:15
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The East Coast Mainline had to be renationalised to bail out the failed private company.

As did Connect South east.

Lloyds.

Northern rock.

BOS.

etc.......

br14 Posted on 13/02/2011 15:18
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Agreed. The subsidies and bail outs should stop.

Let the more successful companies take over.

two_banks_of_four Posted on 13/02/2011 15:18
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Surely a welfare system that is so labyrinthine that it is necessary to employ people to understand what benefits someone is entitled to is a system that requires serious reform?

Having bureaucrats filling in forms for other bureaucrats to rubber stamp is just madness.

br14 Posted on 13/02/2011 15:19
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Have you ever tried understanding Pension Credits?

I try to help my parents with it from time to time. The system is nuts.

whale_oil_beef_hooked Posted on 13/02/2011 15:20
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Ime sure they said yesterday that 62% of the workforce in this area is public sector employees...thats a lot of people heading for the dole.

And there's another thing, dole money....surely its better to have people working and spending then to be having to pay them benefits, yes i know there are people ho will never work..and they should be dealt with acordingy....but to put people out of work and then have to pay them benefits is criminal !!!

ron_manager Posted on 13/02/2011 15:21
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Bernie you come across in this forum as a very nasty bitter man[V]

zorro_mfc Posted on 13/02/2011 15:22
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Cuts are needed across the board but there are some old tories that are using this "era" as an excuse to put forward the kind of right wing ideological wet dream provisos they would never have even dared mention let alone expect to see passed.

They have been waiting to do this for years and now the lunatics are running the asylum they can... close all the libraries well why not.. we can do that while we scrap elderly care and disability dialysis units..

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 13/02/2011 15:23
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what two_banks_of_four said.


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r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 15:23
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It helps tax dodgers and avoiders like mr green of tmobile etc. Being "labyrinthyne" helps the rich out of paying tax in this country.

Knoblr the rich tax-evaders and that will pay for the old folks to have access to shopping scooters and wheel chairs, keep the sure start school in my area open and pay for local kids to have free transport to local secondary schools from outside in the county.

br14 Posted on 13/02/2011 15:29
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"Knoblr the rich tax-evaders and that will pay for the old folks to have access to shopping scooters"

It won't. Not enough of them (the rich that is).

You can scream all you want for higher rate tax payers to pay more, but the truth is the burden of debt is so large it will be the middle class that takes the lions share of the burden.

As always. With or without Mr Greens tax. (And his companies pay hundreds of millions of tax).

It's a different topic but we live in a new era of corporate control. Companies are now so large they can influence governments to do what they want.

myboro Posted on 13/02/2011 15:32
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Well that just isn't true. It's a matter of record that the public sector balloned out of control under Labour.

Total bull bernie. Full report below and if you could be bothered to read the only significant rise is in 2008 when some banks becoame public sector workers.

Central Government and NHS increased but all was in line with same trends in the private sector.

The public sector did not balloon, the defecit is not due to the public sector. In 2008 we had to spend a load of money to save the banks, in some cases taking them over.

In 1997 19.3% of the workforce was employed in the public sector. 2008 that was 19.6%, but after we bring in the banks to the public sector it balloons to 21% by 2009.




Link: Public sector employment 1999-2009

two_banks_of_four Posted on 13/02/2011 15:40
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The welfare system helps tax dodgers? Stunning rhetoric.

The tax system is too complex, trouble is that nobody in power seems to want to sort it out. It can be seen as a system for keeping tax accountants and lawyers employed. Close the loopholes and there would be thousands out of work.

How much tax should Mr Green (I assume you mean the arcadia group, top shop et al) pay? Think you also meant vodafone and not t mobile, but hey I get your drift. It is difficult to keep up sometimes.

This probably sounds a bit right wing, which incidentaly I am not, but there would seem to be a bottomless hole in which to pour taxpayers money. Which is fine if there is never ending source, trouble is there isn't. Apparently, and I ain't checked this 'fact', we will be paying £44billion in interest payments next year. That's £44 billion we will never see any benefit from.

ron_manager Posted on 13/02/2011 15:42
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I think you will all find the biggest tax dodgers are the mulit millionaires[V]

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 15:46
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No. The labyrinth of the tax system helps those with money to avoid paying their share so it helps them. The welfare system designed to help the less privilaged is said to be improved by making its workers redundant. Please read whats written and dont ever become a civil servant.

zorro_mfc Posted on 13/02/2011 15:47
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Not all the cuts are financial though as some are ideological as well limit the state and make sure it acts a certain way thus changing how the country is ran and preventing it from being "restored" as the big society is madness if the is no society to begin with.

If you can jutsify closing libraries to save money then the world has gone mad

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/02/2011 15:47
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'As i keep saying, the majority of people know that following Labours years of pouring money into the public sector black hole'

So you didn't notice when the Tories did the same prior to them being elected? How strange.

Well maybe you can be forgiven for not noticing, it didn't end up anywhere near you, and you can't see past the gutter press.


r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 15:49
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The metaphors and myths are laughable. At least they would be if the morons didnt keep repeating it and even believing it.[cr]

br14 Posted on 13/02/2011 16:05
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Public sector spending rose from 309 billion in 1996 to 681 billion in 2010.

So if employment levels haven't risen over that time, where has the money gone.

If you offload your 50,000 IT staff onto an outsourcing company, they cease to be civil servants. Then you can hire 50,000 others in different jobs and claim you didn't increase headcount.

Still paying the IT folks of course but via a massive multi-national IT consulting corporation.

br14 Posted on 13/02/2011 16:09
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"So you didn't notice when the Tories did the same prior to them being elected"

Hang on. I thought the Tories were evil cutters, not "pouring money into the public sector black hole".

Can't have it both ways.

The UK has been badly served by both major parties who are both so mired in the establishment they have ceased to be capable of independent function.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 13/02/2011 16:13
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Some good points there br14[^]

two_banks_of_four Posted on 13/02/2011 16:51
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Where does it say that the welfare system is improved by making workers redundant? A point of agreement is surely that as few people as possible should be employed in the administration of the welfare system so the maximum amount can flow to those that need it.

The point is that if it is felt to be necessary to employ advisors to help people gain help from the system then surely the system is failing. The people should have never have been employed (particularly not by a local council), the system should have been simplified and made usable. It is emblematic of the kind of poor governance we suffer from and an example of the avalanche of paperwork that costs this country thousands to process for very little if any benefit.

Bringing the tax system into the discussion is just avoiding the issue and putting up a straw man for you to knock down. It is not 'tax' dodgers who are responsible for not having a easy to use welfare system.

Oh and as an aside library closures have been happening since the 1970s. Whether it is right or not is another discussion but to paint library closures as a new thing is just wrong and as usual misses the point.

mattrich Posted on 13/02/2011 17:19
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"As to the Gazette they surely need to start taking a lead and defend their own readers or ultimately they will have no readers left. "



The Gazette do look out for there readers, as they proved last week by taking Mallon to task over his stupid comments, he was rounded on by the majority of the gazette readers and he tried to worm out of it, but the Gazette held him to task. [^]

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 17:21
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"welfare rights" workers, NOT "welfare state".Capitalism is failing and thats why ordinary people have been subsidising it at the cost of increased homelessness, shortage of new social housing, second-class railways and attacks on basic rights and servcies.

You know the poem written by Martin Niemoller, well its worth putting into present day context:

When democracy is reduced to the level of giving power to the rich, when there is nothing left to fight for, you may as well stand naked. For that is all there will be.


could_it_be Posted on 13/02/2011 18:22
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bernie's 13:50 post[^]

public sector workers seem to think they are owed a living or at least a job

newsflash: you are not

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 18:28
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Like:

Nurses
Doctors
Occupational therapists
Bin men
Teachers
Ancillary workers
Social workers
Community Psychiatric Nurses
Carers for the elderly.

etc.....privatise the lot mate.[^]

whale_oil_beef_hooked Posted on 13/02/2011 18:29
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Does:

Dentists
Opticians
and the like also belong in that list.

Rayman Posted on 13/02/2011 18:38
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I'm sure that the Tories are fighting like hell to deflect the fight to any other area than the one which counts most. It's at the top end! Your Mams and Dads pay a greater percentage tax than the senior business fraternity who take out obscene amounts of cash and shovel it offshore in some land far far away of which we know very little.

Everytime some grammar fascist starts banging on about the misuse of the apostrophe, a small part of me dies. Those of us who can't spell are not the problem. It's those of you who can't count. Those who make a song and dance about a few grand here or there, be it councils or MP expenses. You are doing the work of The Tories and their fat cat pals. They love you, even though they refer to you as useful idiots behind your backs.
By cutting public expenditure, even more of your cash is being transferred, in the direction that we Teessiders call "Upover!"

HarryVegas Posted on 13/02/2011 18:59
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Ray [^]

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 19:00
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[^]spot on Ray.

ron_manager Posted on 13/02/2011 19:04
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It just staggers me how many right wing knoobs are on here. I've worked for the NHS for 11 years and put up with more shiit than most of you private sector workers. Yet you stand now with glee at the thought of public sectors workers been laid off. Presuming and behaving like its we all have easy jobs and are out for what we can get....well I say a very big and loud FUUCK OFF which is particulary aimed at the waanker that is Bernie[V]

TheBoy007 Posted on 13/02/2011 19:20
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I was at the rally. I estimated about 200. Not many students to be honest. Still the numbers were a bit disapointing but its a start. the big demo's will be in London, these small scale rallies are to get the word out and allow like minded people to make contact. Some good speaches. Particularry impressed with Tom Blenkinsop, spoke alot of sense[^].

As for the Gazette its WAY Tory. I thought everyone knew that? Common knowledge as far as i'm concerned and i do know one of the journalists.

our-mam Posted on 13/02/2011 19:24
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It still staggers me as to how many left wing shoite gets spouted on this board.

According to most who probably voted for the worst ever mp (Rob) you still think labour did a great job[:o)]

Gordon Brown will go down as the worst Prime minister ever. Fact[sad]

mattrich Posted on 13/02/2011 19:29
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Saying the Gazette is a right wing paper stinks of ignorance, it is part of the Mirror group, possibly the most left wing paper of all, and the fact that it represents the people of Teesside for many decades who simply would not purchase a tory rag proves it all, Labour like the good folk of Teesside can do no wrong in the Gazettes eyes, have you ever read the letters page????

r00fie Posted on 13/02/2011 19:32
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This is nothing to do with Labour or Conservatives. Its an ideological battle.

HarryVegas Posted on 13/02/2011 19:50
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Mattrich, you are factually wrong there. For years, the Gazette was owned by DC Thomson, who were very right wing, and the circulation continued unabated.

TheBoy007 Posted on 13/02/2011 20:03
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You only have to look at how the Gazette has/hasn't reported on the public sector cuts to see its Tory. Its blue to the bone as is Radio Tess.

dodger Posted on 13/02/2011 20:08
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You fuqqin idiots , still arguing about blue dog shoite and red dog shoite.

The colours are there to attract fools , shun them.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 13/02/2011 20:15
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"I've worked for the NHS for 11 years and put up with more shiit than most of you private sector workers. "

A lot a private sector workers would love to put up with having a secure job for the last 11 years.
I can see where Bernie is coming from, however he/she is a bit optimistic about life after New Labour. Disillusionment lies ahead.

TheBoy007 Posted on 13/02/2011 20:23
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"You fuqqin idiots , still arguing about blue dog shoite and red dog shoite."

"The colours are there to attract fools , shun them. "

Those sound like the words of an old punk. Anarchist Dodger?

dodger Posted on 13/02/2011 20:39
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Anarchist? Realist mate.

They own the media and feed us shoite. Tell me what politicians do ?

Always front page , news headlines for talking shoite. Lap it up and pick yer colour [:D]

ron_manager Posted on 13/02/2011 21:00
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I'm with you Dodger, its just one big boys club. Son't get me wrong I am sure there are some decent MP's and politicians, but the further down the drain they go the more they just get covered in shiite[V]

I think democracy is one of the best systems I've read about, it just seems at the moment that in the UK they are all the same of the same at the moment...out for themselves and the power of government...

I'll be writing Waank" on my next voting slip, and if every person who is disaffected by the voting system wrote that on there slip the returns would come back with millions of "waanks" now what message would that send out to the fuuckers.

bryan_munich Posted on 13/02/2011 21:39
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You only have to look at how the Gazette has/hasn't reported on the public sector cuts to see its Tory.
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The Gazette simply tries to align with
the views, values and parochialisms of its ordinary core readership and likewise doesn't really have a coherent political philosophy. Teesside is traditionally about work and not 'fancy' academic arguments. A place that does what it sez on the tin.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 14/02/2011 06:39
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"You only have to look at how the Gazette has/hasn't reported on the public sector cuts to see its Tory."


That's a joke right? The "Cuts" are never off the front page. They've even started a "Cuts watch" feature now FFS! The paper has also been very vocal in it's support of asylum seekers, doing profiles of them and full page features on how the "Community are desperate for them not to be deported".

It's the localised version of the Guardian.

Tell you what, next time you see a Pro Conservative article on the website, please link it on here.

keelo Posted on 14/02/2011 08:20
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I don't think you would get Bernie_is_banned ever criticizing the banks role in all this because he is blinded by Tory dogma or even the tory boys backers who contribute to the tory funds yet don't pay a penny British tax.Cmon Bernie lets have a post about the rich backers of the Toryboys who also contribute Fk all to the economy but bleed it dry!

bryan_munich Posted on 14/02/2011 08:30
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'It's the localised version of the Guardian'

[:D][^]

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 09:15
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"That's a joke right? The "Cuts" are never off the front page."

Utter rubbish. The only time they make the front page is when they are having a dig at Mallon for being against them.

Vena Posted on 14/02/2011 09:28
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Appologies for not reading the whole thread.

I just wanted to add that the welfare rights team is worth every penny. The problem with these cuts, (and I am experiencing this first hand). is that the local counicils are sorting themselves out first and making cuts in the wrong places saving money by cuuting funding from loads of front line services and the VCS organisations that are not coreinternal. Stinks!

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 14/02/2011 09:40
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"Utter rubbish. The only time they make the front page is when they are having a dig at Mallon for being against them"

Just not true at all.

deganya Posted on 14/02/2011 09:53
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Well, you are a popular boy on here today Bernie. How come no one agrees with you on this matter, do you still think you are right? Of course you do, because you are a bigot !!!

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 10:06
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Bernie lives in his own little bubble were Littlejohn is the voice of reason and Sam Cameron is the sexiest woman alive. He can't see past the end of his nose.

zaphod Posted on 14/02/2011 10:13
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I would guess the poor support was due to resignation to the inevitable.

Cuts are necessary, but being happy about them & the associated misery is pretty distasteful.

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 10:17
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"but the alternative is to end up like Greece or Ireland."

Anyone who believes that is either very stupid, ignorant, naive or all 3.

superstu Posted on 14/02/2011 10:22
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"I would guess the poor support was due to resignation to the inevitable."

Apathy and a lack of information/understanding.

superstu Posted on 14/02/2011 10:23
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That's my guess for the reason behind the poor support by the by. Not any sort of reflection of your post.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 14/02/2011 10:26
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I think it comes down to a healthy dose of scepticism on how much waste and bureaucracy is self inflicted in the sector to maintain job security. Instead people make them all out to have halos above their heads.


An organisation offering a service should really still be able to function without a department to explain what it provides. The service should be largely self explanatory but as Iíve experienced in the past with job centres/councils/ social service getting good valuable information from them is like getting blood from a stone.

bryan_munich Posted on 14/02/2011 10:27
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I would guess the poor support was due to resignation to the inevitable.
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I think it's also because it's in a location remote from the centre of power. It was never really going to be another Cairo.

Have it in Central London, on 29 April, maybe preceded by 'bash a banker' day as a sort of warm up. Boro fans could even make a long weekend of it with a trip to Cardiff the next day.


Rayman Posted on 14/02/2011 10:50
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I just noticed a post in the thread which suggested that Gordon Brown was the worst Prime Minister ever-fact.
Whilst I would agree that his personality didn't suit public office, there is no doubt that his skills and economic knowhow did.
He was dealt a bad hand, or a Hospital pass if you will. I don't know what any of us would have done in that situation. Seriously would you have let Capitalism collapse or tried to save it?

Rayman Posted on 14/02/2011 11:18
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..... got called away mid thread. After all the long term damage she did to the North East do we really believe that someone other than Thatcher was a worse PM?

zaphod Posted on 14/02/2011 11:20
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Rayman, I think you'll find that a number of interwar PMs were pretty appalling.

deganya Posted on 14/02/2011 11:37
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well said Rayman, he didn't get much credit for saving capitalism, and all the western countries affected by the banking crisis followed his model including USA.

newyddion Posted on 14/02/2011 11:49
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TheBoy007: Can you post up a links to your pics?

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 11:57
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Just popping out now so i'll do it later.[^]

newyddion Posted on 14/02/2011 11:58
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SPOT THE CLOT [:D]

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 14/02/2011 12:11
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The Boy: "Utter rubbish. The only time they make the front page is when they are having a dig at Mallon for being against them"

And what's on today's front page? The Cuts! (again). You really do not have a clue do you?

r00fie Posted on 14/02/2011 12:16
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no doubt you will give the bludgeon of vital services your full support, including the loss of jobs by Cleveland Police?[rle]

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 13:59
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TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 14:03
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Is this him in the middle of the shot?


Link: http://www.imageurlhost.com/images/1ttcb7gld7r6ep9

rob_fmttm Posted on 14/02/2011 14:07
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Our mam - I have never at any stage said who I voted for at the last election. Why would it be of interest to anyone?

But I can't understand how anyone would seem pleased that a Cuts Demo "failed" or that people would welcome any job cuts whatsoever from public or private sector. There will be many people posting/reading this board facing a time of great uncertainty why wouldn't anyone want to support them and hope they keep their job?




TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 14:14
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Rob why can't we post photos into message's? It would make it so much easier to be able to post a BBcode. You could limit the size of the picture so it doesn't use too much space.

rob_fmttm Posted on 14/02/2011 14:18
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No to be honest we get into all sorts of issues - mostly where it becomes a problem for different workplaces etc.

We've tried it before and there were so many problems for so many people that we decided to keep the message board very simple.

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 14:21
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Couldn't you have a photo gallery then? That would give people the option as to whether they wanted to view or not. Could be good for posting photo's of away matches ect.

keelo Posted on 14/02/2011 14:36
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I just noticed a post in the thread which suggested that Gordon Brown was the worst Prime Minister ever-fact.
Whilst I would agree that his personality didn't suit public office, there is no doubt that his skills and economic knowhow did.
He was dealt a bad hand, or a Hospital pass if you will. I don't know what any of us would have done in that situation. Seriously would you have let Capitalism collapse or tried to save it?
IP



Well, Thats exactly what Cameron et al wanted to do and screamed blue murder when the banks were bailed out.....their money must be in Switzerland I guess

newyddion Posted on 14/02/2011 14:37
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TheBoy007 the last link top far right is the back of his head.

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 14:42
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Ah right. Its weird because all the other MPs, Union officials ect all greeted each other and shook hands but i didn't see Bell at all. Maybe i just didn't notice him or maybe he kept out the way. Does he not get on with Mallon?

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 14:43
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"Seriously would you have let Capitalism collapse or tried to save it?"

Bit of a no brainer that Keelo[:P]

keelo Posted on 14/02/2011 14:44
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Bell was there and Ray Mallon was just to the right of him, cos I was stood behind them OK!

newyddion Posted on 14/02/2011 14:53
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(Taken From Ray Mallon Wiki Page)

Despite Stuart Bell's public condemnation of Mallon after he was fired by Cleveland Police, the two now have a working relationship.[citation needed] However, Bell has been heard to privately criticise the Mayor, claiming, "The typical local councillor is well meaning but not often very bright. Mallon fits that type, but without the 'well meaning' bit".[citation needed] Bell expects Mallon to seek a central government role at some point in the future, but doesn't know which party he will select as his sponsor. "Ray will choose the party who make him the best offer. I don't expect him to have any political conscience.


I saw Bell do the meet and greet thing with Blenkinsop and few official union types.

TheBoy007 Posted on 14/02/2011 14:53
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You must have been stood near me. I was stood just to the right of Mallon. Can you see your self on the pics? Are you on them newyddion?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 14/02/2011 14:54
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If you nominate yourself to be regulator of a sector that then implodes, by whatever measure you use, he did a p*ss poor job of it.

Any capitalist system worth it's salt wouldn't have allowed every major bank to under capitalise themselves and B: any those that did should have gone to the wall.

Oh and by the way, the bail out was the easy option led by those must culpable. Brown merely stole the credit for that from Mervyn King.

newyddion Posted on 14/02/2011 15:13
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I can't see myself on any of them.

We must have been shoulder to shoulder!!!

newyddion Posted on 14/02/2011 15:31
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That Demo will be the first of many and they will only get bigger.

200-300 was not a bad turnout considering the cuts have not yet been made.

I only found out about it on the Friday night..

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 14/02/2011 15:40
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"200-300 was not a bad turnout considering the cuts have not yet been made"

I see it's gradually creeping up from the 100 the Gazette reported [:D]

whale_oil_beef_hooked Posted on 14/02/2011 15:45
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I was talking to mallon before the speeches atrted and bell came over with another bloke and was talking to mallon aswell.

bryan_munich Posted on 14/02/2011 15:50
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"200-300 was not a bad turnout considering the cuts have not yet been made"

And once they have been made,the surplus labour force may well have far more time for this sort of thing.

There are, after all, only so many neighbours drives to sweep in the name of the Big Society.