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Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 10:45
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when i was a kid i went to scouts and a youth club and it was all done by volunteers.

Yet now they expect to be paid 30k plus to run these things.

ffs

speckyget Posted on 24/01/2011 10:46
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Where do you volunteer Razmo?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 10:49
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i dont.

i quite clearly made the point that these activities were run by volunteers and now people EXPECT to be paid 30k to do them.

speckyget Posted on 24/01/2011 10:50
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Any thoughts on why that might be?

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 24/01/2011 10:50
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This is why Cameron wants to bring in the big society. Get people volunteering instead of expecting public money to cover everything.

MarlonD Posted on 24/01/2011 10:51
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Because he has previous ?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 10:56
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exactly are from this area of where public money is being spent i can totally understand the drive to have volunteers do a service that volunteers once did very effectively rather than pay someone 30k to play football with some kids.

speckyget Posted on 24/01/2011 11:00
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How can society be big when there is "no such thing as society"?

apoboro Posted on 24/01/2011 11:03
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I would like to meet a youth worker who gets paid 30k!


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 11:04
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plenty of them do. so shouldnt be too hard.

gravyboat Posted on 24/01/2011 11:05
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Ever thought about volunteering, Raz?

apoboro Posted on 24/01/2011 11:06
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Im a youth worker and none of the youth work staff in my area earn 30k!

Most youth work jobs are part time as well.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 11:08
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to do what?

at the moment such volunteering services in this area are non-applicable due to the youth workers on 30k doing the work.

This will be readdressed, and then yes i would love to get involved.

gravyboat Posted on 24/01/2011 11:10
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Which youth workers are on 30k? Which areas?

apoboro Posted on 24/01/2011 11:12
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"youth workers on 30k doing the work"

Please let me know where these youth workers are working as i want to apply!


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 11:12
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the full time ones.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 11:13
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apoboro ahve you heard about the Youth Workers budget within many council areas being cut by 60%?

apoboro Posted on 24/01/2011 11:15
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Im a full time youth worker and do not earn anything like 30k.

Full time youth workers in other authorities in the North East do not earn 30k either.

Where have u got this info from?

captain5 Posted on 24/01/2011 11:16
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Welcome to Razworld.

Manfriday Posted on 24/01/2011 11:21
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Im an cadet forces adult volunteer and we get paid if we go away to do training courses. Most of the time my fuel money, uniform upkeep etc comes out of my own pocket. I could earn 20 times as much by doing the same stuff in the reserves or by using my qualifications to get a job in a sailing school etc

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 11:21
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sorry this is the first one on google i found.

experienced Youth Worker 34k

Management Level Youth Workers start at 35k

North East must be exempt from this


Link: http://ww2.prospects.ac.uk/p/types_of_job/youth_wo

apoboro Posted on 24/01/2011 11:21
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Youth work budgets like most budgets are being cut. Some councils are cutting their youth work budget by 100% and just doing away with the youth service.

To think a youth worker would earn 30K "playing football with kids" is a bit daft really.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 24/01/2011 11:23
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Ray put up or shut up!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 11:24
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so your area is also exempt from the Youth Worker cuts.

from what i have been told it isnt a case of somes areas but a case of downsizing youth workers everywhere, combining the role with a possible new careers advisory role.

60% cuts equates to 100% frontline staff cuts

apoboro Posted on 24/01/2011 11:27
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Management level youth worker jobs dont work with young people.Yes, my line manager and their line manager still have youth worker in their job title but they are not considered "youth workers" and certainly do not play football with kids. They also have responsibility for other areas in the council.

The whole youth work area is getting overhauled due to the cuts so links to info like that Razmond will become a thing of the past. Targeted work, temporary contracts and working with the hardest to reach will become the norm.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 24/01/2011 11:28
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Why would volunteer to be a youth worker. You'd probably get verbally and physically abused and may even get accused of sexual assault......back at school the girls were always accusing the teachers of groping them just cos they told them off or gave them detention[|)]

gravyboat Posted on 24/01/2011 11:30
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So, its not £30k then?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 11:31
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i agree, but also a new starter would also not be expected to manage a gang og kids upon an evening.

so 30k - 34k to play football with kids on an evening is a very real possibility, and rightly should be axed.

apoboro Posted on 24/01/2011 11:32
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Not at all, in my area, we are all currently going through a consultation period. I have recently had to take a second part time job just in case.


mickbrown Posted on 24/01/2011 11:33
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Why should anybody carry out any work of any kind for no payment, is beyond me.

Manfriday Posted on 24/01/2011 11:52
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Mick, in my case i do it as i was a cadet as a kid and its my way of paying that back. Plus i enjoy the activities so its win win [fb]

Powlay Posted on 24/01/2011 11:59
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"when i was a kid i went to ...a youth club and it was all done by volunteers"

We run a youth club at the corus sports and social centre in dormanstown, 8-15 year olds.

Not one person is paid! All volunteer.

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Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 12:07
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'Not one person is paid! All volunteer.'

thats how it should be

yozzer_hughes Posted on 24/01/2011 12:12
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Youth workers on £30k, ???

Doh ! [:D]

IKNOWTHEYAREN'TTASTIC [:D]

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 24/01/2011 12:18
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Ray you obviously feel strongly about this. Why don't you get yourself in there! Set an example!

thetees5 Posted on 24/01/2011 12:40
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This in not news, paid Youth Workers have been around for ever!! ok, some of us Youth Workers at a senior level do make £30k + This is after training,usually to degree level. Then working your way up the profession. It so happens that I like my job, and getting paid for it is brilliant. However, i do slightly more than play football with kids. As a paid workers we very much appreciate the time volunteers put in, and in turn, the volunteers appreciate the training, supervision, advice, practical support, career development opportunities, and accreditation that we as full-time workers give them access to.

In the new world of job cuts which we are facing, and our Condem chums wanting everyone to work for nothing, you may just get your way. So set up your own group, and get out there and work with the young people on a nightly basis.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 24/01/2011 12:44
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I'm still lost on the concept of why we need to pay people for kids to go outside and play!




thetees5 Posted on 24/01/2011 12:50
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You dont need to pay for kids to play outside. Most youth workers are either based in a club or project, or sometimes work out on the street without a base. What you need to pay for (if you are not a volunteer)are people to staff the clubs, and for the running costs of the buildings, and the costs of the activities you are providing. You are also paying for the skills, knowledge, experience, and training of those running the clubs.

billeeee Posted on 24/01/2011 12:53
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I think you'll find that some of the larger Youth Clubs in the area, (sometimes with a Community Centre attached), had a Full Time Youth Leader in charge, on a half-decent salary, and did so for decades.....not so sure it's still the case, but that's the way it used to be.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 24/01/2011 12:58
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It's amazing how me and my mates survived childhood! Outside of school and parents we made our own activites, through the magic of imagination! That comes for free.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 13:07
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'the volunteers appreciate the training, supervision, advice, practical support, career development opportunities, and accreditation that we as full-time workers give them access to. '

are you saying that when you run the Youth Clubs all you do is support the volunteers, and without you they couldnt manage?

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 24/01/2011 13:12
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Smuggy - different era. Keep up.

Youth workers on 30k are ripe for the axe under the governement restructuring.

gravyboat Posted on 24/01/2011 13:14
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Yes Rivals, because every kid born ever, in the history of the world, had exactly the same upbringing as you.

thetees5 Posted on 24/01/2011 13:14
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That's not what i am saying. The volunteers often form an integral part of a staff team that work alongside the paid staff. What i was referring to was the way in which we support the development of the volunteers who work alongside us.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/01/2011 13:14
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How many of you chaps, knocking the payment of youth leaders, are currently running youth clubs on a voluntary basis?


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 13:20
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so your work in the youth club is more training the voluntary staff?

your wage is essential to train the staff, without you they would not cope?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 24/01/2011 13:20
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We donít need degree trained senior level youth workers on a £30k salary, when essentially all itís facilitating is playtime for children!

Itís a joke! What do they do all their working weeks?

gravyboat Posted on 24/01/2011 13:24
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'What do they do all their working weeks?'

Good question. One you should perhaps search for an answer to, prior to deciding 'we don't need them'.



mattyk50 Posted on 24/01/2011 13:24
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dont know when to accept you've been made to look like an idiot raz do you [:o)][:o)]

billeeee Posted on 24/01/2011 13:25
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"when essentially all itís facilitating is playtime for children!"

Yeah It'd be a great laugh trying to keep control over stacks of 14-18yr olds from Whinney Bronx/ South Bank / Brambles farm etc.

You're thinking of Nursey School.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/01/2011 13:26
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By the way, I'm 54 and the youth club workers when I was a teenager were employed.

So let's not get all stary eyed about them being volunteers.

In addition to the youth leaders, 6th form students could earn pocket money organising sports on the local authority playing fields.

It was during the days when we the nation was developing into a civilised society, an idea we abandoned when we had to follow growth at all costs...regardless of the effect it had on the development of the country.

Heady days, watching the nation develop. The last 30 years of watching it being stripped apart, and the results, so often brought up by Raz and his merry band of fools, have been disappointing to say the least.

billeeee Posted on 24/01/2011 13:34
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Corcaigh I'm with you.....when I was a lad there was a fulltime paid youth leader and he had several part-time assistants...ALL PAID.

billdoor Posted on 24/01/2011 13:43
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Out of interest, why are people so quick to decide that people should not get paid when they're putting hours into a job?

What about PE teachers? Telling some kids to run around for an hour? They should work for nothing.

Art teachers? Telling some kids to scrawl and dab paint on paper? Work for nothing.

What about people who spend their working day on the internet?

thetees5 Posted on 24/01/2011 13:46
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This week i will mostly be:-
supervising my staff. Running meetings to discuss cuts to the service, and looking at what we will offer young peope in the future.
Visiting sick staff at home. Attending meetings including safeguarding, looking after children who go missing from home.
Developing work to ensure disabled YP get through education into school / college.
Staff training till 10 pm, having started at 8.30 am. Managing staff expenditure and budgets.Working with colleagues to ensure that young people get access to IT training in the future. Attending a partnership meeting to ensure the continuation of youth work in a club again finishing 9.30 pm approx. Attending a days training.
working on a group to help sort out anti-social behaviour.

And thats just the stuff i have planned, not the reactive stuff.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 13:47
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' was a teenager were employed'

who employed them?

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/01/2011 13:49
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Thomas Watt Hamilton was a volunteer youth worker, we need more like him![xx(]

thetees5 Posted on 24/01/2011 13:58
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I missed off being on-call all weekend, all day and night, for any activities and trips out that are going on. This means if the S**T hits the fan i have to put emergency procedures in place to ensure that everyone is safe and the emergency is dealt with. I am ultimately responsible for this. No beer for me this weekend. No extra payments for this by the way.

KobeB Posted on 24/01/2011 14:06
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Why the hell shouldn't they get paid to do it?

At the end of the day if someone finds working with teenagers a fun thing to do where they have a lot to give why shouldn't they get paid?

Rugby Union players never used to get paid - why aren't you banging on about them?

I used to go to Cubs, we'd sit there for an hour not doing a great deal and that was that.

These days youth workers are a line of further education. Many of the kids that go struggle with their learning and get extra help.

They have every right to get paid and god on them because it's probably one of the toughest jobs to do.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/01/2011 14:13
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'who employed them?'

The local authorities employed them. They were doing a job, why shouldn't they be employed.

Time you did a little joined up thinking before stamping on that keyboard, Raz.

And the other dim wits who can't see past the last 5 years when making their calls on history.

How about a return to local democracy, put decision making back with the local people?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 14:30
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'last 5 years when making their calls on history'

it was about 17 hrs ago when i went to scouts and youth clubs all voluntary run.

Scout Groups have always been like that, and they cope.

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/01/2011 14:35
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In my considerable experience "volunteers" are more trouble than they're worth. Like amdrams and unpaid chaperones!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 14:38
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'These days youth workers are a line of further education'

they are qualified to educate?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 24/01/2011 14:43
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I grew up without a single youth worker impacting my life. I managed fine! We made our own entertainment.

A 30k salary to organise a trip out, organise a budget and create work from thin f**king air. There's teachers on less than that, that have a far more relevant work load!

billeeee Posted on 24/01/2011 14:56
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Youth workers were employed by the local authority, and specifically the "Dept of Education". Yes, the same department as teachers, but nobody said they were teachers.!!


red_shamrock Posted on 24/01/2011 14:58
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Mates rates is fair but working for nowt..have a word.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/01/2011 15:00
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'it was about 17 hrs ago when i went to scouts and youth clubs all voluntary run.'

Yes, I thought you were around that age group.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 15:06
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billeeee - but they are not qualified teachers and they are also not qualified careers advisors.

KobeB Posted on 24/01/2011 15:10
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Raz:

Career advisors?

Did they ever give a respectable option other than police, nurse, army, navy etc.

When i told them what i wanted to be they looked at me like i was weird and that i'd be better doing a proper job.

Working out ok for...

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/01/2011 15:10
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They're probably qualified youth leaders, it's a job.

If you're not happy that we have them, give your local councillor a shout and ask him/her what they do.

What do you do, Raz?

billeeee Posted on 24/01/2011 15:13
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Raz - I would completely agree with you. But I'm just stating a fact that Youth Workers were employed by the Education Department within the local authority.
AND can I add that these Youth Workers DID HAVE Qualifications to do their specific job with the Youth.

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/01/2011 15:14
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I remember my career advisor telling me what I wanted to do was a hobby and not a job! Been doing it for 30+ years now!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 15:16
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you can add that they will have had a diploma in youth working, but that in no way gave them the capability to do Further Education nor did it allow the to give Careers Guidance.

thetees5 Posted on 24/01/2011 15:22
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30k salary to organise a trip out.

This is a small part of the job! Please think about the implications of organizing an unsafe trip out. I am sure we are all aware of lives that have been lost due to poor planning and safety arrangements. Or would you like the kids just to go off with anyone and risk it?

organise a budget.

What's wrong with that, like to think that public money is being spent carefully.

and create work from thin f**king air.

And create work that means your children and young people are not a problem in your neighbourhood, that they have something to do, and they are not causing ASB. Sounds alright doesn't it. I will have to look out for this thin air work as i havent seen any of it yet.

Of course we could all just leave our jobs and go on the dole couldn't we, and that would be better for all of society.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 15:24
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'30k salary to organise a trip out.'

no 30k to play football with a group of kids

'nd create work that means your children and young people are not a problem in your neighbourhood, that they have something to do, '

volunteers will pick this up.

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/01/2011 15:25
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Tees5, a lot of people on here see "elf 'n' safety" as some sort of joke, mainly because they haven't got a clue what they're talking about. But they're never shy of showing off their ignorance.

apoboro Posted on 24/01/2011 15:28
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Careers Guidance is just that, guidance. If a young person says to me "im interested in plumbing" i can guide them to the local college who offer a plumbing course and work with them to complete their application. That is what i spend quite a lot of time on during the summer months prior to them starting college.

For a variety of reasons there seems to be more and more young people who are illiterate and find completing application forms daunting and a complete barrier and refuse to do them.

Youth unemployment rates are going through the roof and has recently hit record levels. If working with young people when they are in their teens can help them onto a path where they can develop skills, experience and increase their chances of a job is surely a good thing!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 15:28
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organise what trips out?

billdoor Posted on 24/01/2011 15:30
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What a load of shŪte is on this thread. Some of you people need to get your head out of your arse and stop being so judgemental.

Give us details of your own jobs, including why it's important and why you should be paid for it.

Also clarify if you're at work right now and XXXXXXing around on a message board.

thetees5 Posted on 24/01/2011 15:30
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my experience is that in the main, if volunteers are not supported, valued, and trained properly they soon P**S off when they get sick of turning up night after night to work with some of your most difficult kids. The expectation that volunteers will pick up where the council leaves off is never going to happen.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/01/2011 15:31
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apoboro do you have a diploma in careers guidance?

because as far as i'm aware the youth workers do not have this qualification and so are not qualified to give this sort of guidance. It is a big problem with this in this sector.

If some one who is unqualified to do plumbing was guided into applying for a plumbing course by a Youth Worker that would create so many more problems that the youth worker would be unaware of.

KobeB Posted on 24/01/2011 15:31
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Not further education as in Uni stuff, more so extra education.

Education isn't just out of a book Raz.

You're looking at this very narrow minded.

By the time these volunteers may have picked it up some of these kids may ahve cause a few serious crimes, before you know it they're in a prison and looking down a gutter for the rest of there lives.

Some of these Youth Workers go home with black eyes as some of these kids aren't angels either, should they do that completely for free to?

They obviously love what they do or they wouldn't do it, they ahve a right to paid and paid well.


apoboro Posted on 24/01/2011 15:36
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Yeah, i did my advice and guidance qualifications a couple of years ago. I think you're getting a bit confused Raz, Im not telling the young people that is the BEST option for them or anything like that.

When you work with teenage young people who are going to become neet (not in education, employment or training) and become another statistic for job seekers then surely tapping into THEIR interests is surely worth the opportunity. The work i do with my team and the staff is centred around the word opportunity.

thetees5 Posted on 24/01/2011 15:38
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organise what trips out?

As an example the other weekend a group went away for the weekend to do a residential weekend about issues of drug use, and the problems it casuses in their community.

This weekend a group go down south to visit an environmental project having started a community garden and allotment project.

A group may go away to take part in outdoor activities as part of the Duke of Edinburgh Team.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 24/01/2011 15:41
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"They obviously love what they do or they wouldn't do it, they ahve a right to paid and paid well".

No, they don't, no right whatsoever.

You're not taxed for my job, you certianly charge me for the pleasure though. Infact some of you incur quite a generous charge, even more so than people who actually teach.

billeeee Posted on 24/01/2011 15:49
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I think Raz is talking about Youth Clubs that are open a Friday or Sat night and are in the back room of the local church.
Believe me, some of the larger Youth Clubs and Community Centres take some running.

Remember also, that as well as being on the premises during the day, these paid youth leaders are back in the clubs most evenings of the week.

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/01/2011 15:55
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Bill, some people think that buildings run themselves, but as soon as an incident happens to unmaintained electrics, legionella, asbestos etc etc etc, they'll be first in the compensation queue!

KobeB Posted on 24/01/2011 15:55
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If they go through there required qualifications the nthey deserve to paid to what they do.

A teacher knows fine well the salary they will get, just because they chose to do teaching doesn't mean they have to earn more than another job role.


picol Posted on 24/01/2011 16:07
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this thread has only highlighted raz and his determination to post the most idiotic thing he possibly think of at all times

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 24/01/2011 16:07
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'You're not taxed for my job'

I'd be interested to hear what you do that's so independent of the rest of society.

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/01/2011 16:13
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CTC, we see it so many times on here, individuals convinced because it's "their" tax, then "their" indivdual opinion counts. When they're idiots!

trugggg Posted on 24/01/2011 19:20
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Raz- you are a tossser

SplendidStuff Posted on 24/01/2011 19:38
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The absolute cheek of some people, they spend all day on a message board, and have the audacity to tell others they should not be paid for their work, which Raz equates to having a kick about in the park.

Fair play to the youth workers on here, you are a very tolerant bunch and that shows in the way you have handled the ramblings of this bloody t1t[^]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 25/01/2011 07:24
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apoboro sorry specifically did you do your diploma in careers guidance, a qualification that is required by careers guidance PAs to do their job and it is not a requirement for Youth Workers?

Like you said if someone wanted to be a plumber instead of pointing them in the direction of a Careers Guidance PA instead you would take it upon yourself to help them fill out a form for a plumbing course.

That shows a real lack of experience in the careers guidance area.

apoboro Posted on 25/01/2011 16:44
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If a young person SHOWS AN INTEREST, in something particular then a youth worker can offer GUIDANCE as to how they COULD do this in the future. When working with 11-18 yr old young people who normally show no interest in anything whatsoever then tapping into their interests is what every youth worker should do. Theres nothing wrong at all with that.

I was interested in doing a sign language course a few years ago when i was at college, i didnt have a clue where to go or which college offered it. My teacher at the time who didnt have any advice / guidance qualifications told me it was offered through Middlesbrough adult ed.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 08:01
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Are you suggesting that your Careers & Guidance Diploma has taught you to guide a young person in a certain direction just because they are interested in it, not considering other area of consideration?

Are you also suggesting that you would not point them in the direction of a Careers Guidance PA who specialise in such areas?

'My teacher at the time who didnt have any advice / guidance qualifications told me it was offered through Middlesbrough adult ed. '

Thats an obvious one as teachers may have the experience and knowledge to know where courses are. If that course was full but a similar course was available a Careers Guidance PA would have that information to hand and be better suited to guide you, also if you had learning difficulties they could best recommend how you go about getting such help.

To be fair you should know all this and use the Careers Guidance PAs as a valuable source. It seems clear that you dont.

apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 08:33
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Its quite clear that you dont really know what you're talking about Raz. You suggest that these Careers Guidance PA's who "specialise" in this area are the fountain of all knowledge, which if you ask anyone working in this field, they certainly are not - nobody is.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 08:47
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they have to have they knowledge within their schools they work in, if not it is their job to find out.

The issue is that it is NOT your job as a Youth Worker.

I wonder if the reason why you try and give Careers Guidance is because you do not rate the PAs who in many circumstances are more qualified than the Youth Workers they work alongside.

But again i guess you know all about the level of qualification they must have.

apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 12:12
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i give up!

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 12:23
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seriously do you rate the work Careers Guidance PAs do?

apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 12:31
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Some schools dont have specific people who look after careers, some do, some are good and some are bad.

Some young people dont even attend mainstream school and wont go near a Connexions centre or anything similar.

Thats why i encourage my part time youth workers to complete their advice and guidance qualifications to be in the best possible position to help yp!

Its not as streamline as you make out Raz, do you work in this sector?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 12:36
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would you pass the details of a young person on to a careers advisor if you think they need careers advice?

or would you try and deal with it yourself?

them saying they are interested in plumbing and you then helping them fill a college application isnt correct either as it isnt that straight forward as any career guidance PA would tell you.

apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 12:39
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Do you work in this sector Razmond?

superstu Posted on 26/01/2011 12:41
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Is Raz gonna work round everyone on the board? Will we all have to justify our employment and wage level?

Revol_Tees Posted on 26/01/2011 12:54
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I think many of us already knew that Razmond, BernieisBanned and rivalsoldschool were on the lunatic fringes of the economic right but this thread has to be seen to be believed. This is what happens when the likes of Richard Littlejohn and John Redwood become society's organic intelllectuals.

Why not go the whole hog and argue not just for paid youth work to be abolished but also paid social work and even paid police work? And the fire service. And the army as well. Why don't people just volunteer? Who needs wages to live on? And if there's no profit in it, well...

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 13:08
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Revol_Tees to be fair i picked on one small area of work that these youth workers do.

And pointed out that scout groups and not so long ago youth clubs were run by volunteers.

I was the 'lunatic' that took it to your next level ffs

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 13:11
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apoboro i asked first.

i think you think i havent got a clue, i also think you give careers advisors the same respect.

superstu Posted on 26/01/2011 13:12
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So why give apoboro a hard time then razmond? If your issue is with one small area (that area apparently being the youth workers who get £30K for having a kick around) then what's the problem? Apoboro has already made it clear that their job involves a lot more than that. Leave off eh?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 13:20
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superstu you really need me to explain why and how the thread has moved on.

Yes apoboro has explain other areas, one area being Career Guidance, something a that should be done by a Career Guidance PA, something apoboro has admitted they have in their council area albeit not in every school.

They are not onlt trying to justify work that was once done by volunteers by now work which is supposed to be done someone else who is qualified

superstu Posted on 26/01/2011 13:25
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I don't need to explain anything about this silly thread, and noone else on the board has to explain their employment to you. Do one!

apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 13:28
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Ofcourse i would refer a young person to a service which i thought would benefit that young person, not just about their career.

"them saying they are interested in plumbing and you then helping them fill a college application isnt correct either as it isnt that straight forward as any career guidance PA would tell you" - i think you're looking at this too deeply. If a 13 year old lad who was causing havoc in school had an interest in car mechanics or plumbing, then its not as straight forward as filling in a college application form. Youth workers would work with that specific lad and perhaps visit work places / arrange work experience / perhaps amend their timetable so they spend 1 or 2 days at college during the week rather than at a mainstream school or a referral school.

Dear me! [:o)]

apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 13:34
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Do you work in the sector then Raz?

If someone asked you for help Raz, would you refer them to someone with a certificate?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 26/01/2011 13:36
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My only argument is the problem with the public sector is that it's never forced to smell the coffee when it's backer is the tax man.

Youth workers on 30k are prevalent of that problem as far as I'm concerned.
Itís endemic of why this country is skint and uncompetitive if it takes people on generous salaries to pick up the job of parents.

I'd happily slash the lot and be done with it! It's not the job of the state to micro manage peoples lives.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 13:45
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you would set that lad up for say plumbing and to be more interested in that. Yet that was a Careers Guidance problem a couple of years ago, which to be fair hasnt gone away. Everyone wanted to go into plumbing people were being told to put them selves forward for it, and when they got as far as a Careers Advisor they had to tell them it couldnt happen as all courses were fully booked up, and not just fully booked up for 1 year.

But of course you wouldnt know that so your guidance would not have the full picture.

Why wouldnt you send a 13 year old with issues to an intensive Careers Advisor under such circumstances?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 13:48
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'someone with a certificate'

what does that mean?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 26/01/2011 14:02
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'My only argument is the problem with the public sector is that it's never forced to smell the coffee when it's backer is the tax man.'

Then your argument is flawed. Constantly monitored, under far more rigorous control than the private sector.


apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 14:10
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You are thinking about this far too deeply Raz. Every young person is different. A careers adviser does not work for everyone, similarly, youth provision does not work for everyone.

As mentioned above, i have done my advice and guidance qualifications but i would still look for assistance if for example a young person wanted to join the army. I would look at booking the local army education officer to come and chat to interested young people - that sort of thing.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 14:13
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you would NOT get a Careers Guidance PA involved due to your qualification?

I agree that some students require Intensive Careers Guidance PAs. I presume you have to work closely with such people?

squarewheelbike Posted on 26/01/2011 14:15
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I went to school at the Sacred Heart in Redcar in the 70's. At the start of our 5th year (1978), we were all sat down and told, "make up your minds what job you want, because that's what you will do for the next 49 years!"

How times change!

apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 14:18
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you would NOT get a Careers Guidance PA involved due to your qualification? - If i felt that young person would benefit from more help and assistance then ofcourse. Every youth worker / teacher / anyone working with young people would do the same - regardless of qualifications / experience

I agree that some students require Intensive Careers Guidance PAs. I presume you have to work closely with such people? - absolutely, we have regular networking meetings and all have caseloads of individuals we have to work with. This is ofcourse on top of the evening group work.




Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 14:20
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teachers ONLY get Careers Guidance PAs involved with students only if they feel it necessary?

apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 14:23
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Im not a teacher so i cant answer that. When i have worked in schools, i have found that part of citizenship / tutor time is devoted to looking at careers. They would normally invite the local Connexions PA into that session to look at various options. This is something we do in my service. We have monthly drop in sessions where young people can attend to chat to careers advisers.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 26/01/2011 14:27
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so you think a Careers Guidance PA does not have one to one meetings with the students?

thats your understanding?

and just to make sure I am right you would only forward a student who needed Careers Guidance onto a Careers Guidance PA if you could not help them yourself?

apoboro Posted on 26/01/2011 14:31
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so you think a Careers Guidance PA does not have one to one meetings with the students?

thats your understanding?

--- My understanding is what happens where i work. Not anywhere else. What i know is that no, not EVERY single young person does have a one to one with a careers adviser.

and just to make sure I am right you would only forward a student who needed Careers Guidance onto a Careers Guidance PA if you could not help them yourself?

--- Absolutely not, when working with young people it is never only 1 person in the loop anyways, especially with young people who are not engaging with mainstream school

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 26/01/2011 23:28
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Got my wages today and no where near the 30 grand mark.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 27/01/2011 07:43
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'--- Absolutely not, when working with young people it is never only 1 person in the loop anyways, especially with young people who are not engaging with mainstream school'

so if someone showed an interest in say plumbing you would involve the Careers Guidance PA instead of sitting down and filling forms in with that student as it would not be your specialist area and more beneficial for that student to receive the best Careers Guidance available?

apoboro Posted on 27/01/2011 09:40
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Bleedin heck! [rle]

"so if someone showed an interest in say plumbing you would involve the Careers Guidance PA instead of sitting down and filling forms in with that student as it would not be your specialist area and more beneficial for that student to receive the best Careers Guidance available?" - as any youth worker would, i would involve whoever the best person was in that given situation required to achieve the best outcome for that individual young person. The same system does not work with everyone especially young people.

Am i typing this in a foreign language or something?


apoboro Posted on 27/01/2011 09:43
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Are you full time youth worker Joe or part time?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 27/01/2011 10:00
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'i would involve whoever the best person was in that given situation required to achieve the best outcome for that individual young person. The same system does not work with everyone especially young people.

i was checking as earlier you stated as you have the qualification in Guidance you would help fill forms in with them and point them in the correct direction with no support from the person whose job it is to do that the Careers Guidance PA.

its a little confusing as you seem to think your role takes on the role of a CG PA and thats why you felt it correct to have their qualification.

oooooo Posted on 27/01/2011 10:11
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apo, don't argue with raz, he's a barely functioning moron.

apoboro Posted on 27/01/2011 10:11
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It would be naive and wrong for anyone including careers advisers who work with young people to think that they can solely help that individual young person. Like i said before you seem to think that the system is so straight forward and works for everyone. This is not the case whatsoever.

Each individual is different - how many times can i put this?

Its not confusing in the slightest. You're clearly confused if you think these so called Careers Guidance PA's exist everywhere, every school and are available at the drop of a hat for young people! Especially where i work!

I think thats straight forward?

apoboro Posted on 27/01/2011 10:18
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oooo - does it make sense to you? Im not sure i could make it any clearer.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 27/01/2011 10:30
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it is straight forward.

but your example didnt state If you had no CG PA available.

You said you would sit down and help them fill them form in. No need for a CG PA because of your qualification in such an instance?

apoboro Posted on 27/01/2011 10:37
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Im giving up. [^]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 27/01/2011 10:56
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ok

to summarise.

You put together Youth Club Activities - once done by volunteer members, like scout groups etc are. (any CRB Clearances for such activities would cost whereas a volunteer it is free)

You use funding to train in areas that do not come under Youth Workers jurisdiction i.e. Careers Guidance.

You will do the work of a Careers Guidance PA on top of your own work load because you are either unable or unwilling to pass on the work load.

apoboro Posted on 27/01/2011 10:59
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You're wrong Raz, i just play football and eat all the sweets from the tuck shop. [:o)]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 27/01/2011 11:00
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cool [:D]

al1948uk Posted on 27/01/2011 13:37
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This thread started because Raz can't read.

He offered as a link and proof of evidence, the Prospects website which is guidance for graduates as to possible careers and the clue is in the link...possible jobs. They are not actual job adverts.

Many posters have highlited the drastic cuts now in public services as in elsewhere and CtC and tt5 have explained in some detail the job description of actual jobs they are doing or have done. Having the time, patience and interest, isn't enough.

I'm a graduate of the legendary Grangetown Boys Club which was housed in Pochin Road, a cough and a spit from the Steelworks. Before moving to the site on the Trunk Road.

Charlie Smailes and Ted Martin were certainly paid, as the club was open 6 nights a week including Tues, Thurs and Sundays when girls could attend. Also open some afternoons.Football onSaturdays,camping in the summer,it was a fulltime job even with all the tutors for Art and Drama.

A favourite memory was when Boro players such as Willie Maddren, George Smith, Frankie Spraggon and Alex Smith came and took training sessions. Great days

Youth Workers cover a range a professional disciplines including mental health, homelessness and crime. All requiring a degree and considerable experience and training.

It was Oscar Wilde how said...a cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. You certainly don't improve anything by doing it on the cheap.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 27/01/2011 13:44
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This thread didnt start because of my lack of reading ability, read the title for confirmation of that [pa]

al1948uk i never stated the link was to an actual job but more proof that it is possible to earn 30k or more as a Youth Worker.