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Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 20:30
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I wonder how many Scottish MPs voted on this and would they be just as willing if it was being scrapped in Scotland.

You will be amased how many kids drop out of college now and the government want kids to stay on at school till they are 18.


BobbyG Posted on 19/01/2011 20:31
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The Europe Music Awards?

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 20:32
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Well you wouldn't mind them being scrapped. [xx(]

There must be plenty of kids on here who receive EMA who will be affected by this.

barmyboroboy1 Posted on 19/01/2011 20:34
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Major ballock dropped this I believe, I'm 4th year uni at the moment but I remember how vital my EMA was to me.

A young lad on the radio the other day made a good point, he said he won't be able to go to college any more without the funding so he's going to have to go on the dole, this is going to cost the government around £50 a week instead of the £30 a week EMA...he said so the government could have saved themselves 20% (I think what he meant was £20 or 40%) but the point is still the same.

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 19/01/2011 20:34
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Used to go to the Empire with my EMA [:D]

deganya Posted on 19/01/2011 20:35
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With all due respect I think you are mistaken Joe. This guy said that wasn't going to happen and a lot of people cast their vote based on that comment. And he looks like the type of guy that wouldn't tell lies, just look at his body language when he speaks.


Link: Surely Not?

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 20:39
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Pinching a line from Andy Burnham, MP - Stopping the allowances would mean "stacking the odds" against young people - and "kicking away the ladder of opportunity",

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 20:42
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Another easy target for the shythouse Tories.

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 20:45
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Its terrible isn't it, what are they going to use to buy their fags n booze now?

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 20:46
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Deganya - so Liar Cameron had no plan to get rid of them.

How many times did he say it in that clip?

Easy target again. [:(!]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 20:51
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'Its terrible isn't it, what are they going to use to buy their fags n booze now?'

Their dole money. Unless you know of a company that's taking on apprentices by the bus load.

False economy.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 20:53
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Oldsmoggie - It is up to them what they spend it on, but it is the incentive to get them to go to college, ask any Connexions worker (careers guidance), who will be getting paid off next, how hard it is to get kids to attend college for nothing.

The majority of kids support their learning with it.



Torino Posted on 19/01/2011 20:53
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Its terrible isn't it, what are they going to use to buy their fags n booze now?
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Some students actually need that in order to get to and from college and pay for their dinner. Not all of them waste it on sh*te like the Tories want everyone to think[rle]

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 20:55
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How can it be an incentive? My kids didnt get it so where was their incentive?

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 20:58
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Ahhhhh oldsmoggie, showing your true colours now.

You are against it because you earned more than the 31,000 cut off.

Edit.

Not everyone earns near that amount and some families need it to allow their child to carry on and better themselves. Then hopefully end up with a high paid wage,

Kids without qualifications will not end up in well paid jobs.

tonybiriyani Posted on 19/01/2011 21:01
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oldsmoggie - my kids didn't get it so why should anyone elses?

What a small minded, spiteful attitude.

Sitrep Posted on 19/01/2011 21:02
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Oldsmoggie neither did my kids, but itís still wrong you selfish barsteward.

free_pint Posted on 19/01/2011 21:06
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They really are trying to XXXXXX the younger generation now, so glad I was in the lucky years so have just missed out on being affected by all this.

EMA was vital to me.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 21:07
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'you selfish barsteward'

It's the Tory in him.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:08
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It is vital to a lot of families and I dare say Oldsmoggie would of liked his kids to obtain it, instead of them being a drain on his wages.

Torino Posted on 19/01/2011 21:08
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My kids didnt get it so where was their incentive?
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Your kids didn't get this because you earn over 31,000, probably because you are in a good job. Some kids that receive this are from poor backgrounds, with many coming from lone parent families who earn next to nothing. You think that these people have no right to a grant that helps them better themselves and make a better life for themselves ? Just because your kids did not get it ?

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:12
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How many parts of their manifesto have they lied about and gone back on?

Torie waankkers

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 21:13
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Only as expected, Joe. Not really a surprise, is it?

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:15
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Not one bit Corcaigh and people where well warned.

free_pint Posted on 19/01/2011 21:19
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Worst thing is the one's who are getting shafted by the EMA and the rise in tution fee's are mainly 15/16 year olds and younger couldn't even vote. Although clearly didn't matter as the Lib Dem's got the final vote I guess...

thunderbird Posted on 19/01/2011 21:23
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Got to say as someone who has a daughter who has just left colledge for uni ( and never had ema) and can say that most of those on ema XXXXXXed it up the wall etc then good riddence.
£30 a week for stationary etc is a XXXXXX load of bic pens.

Ema has gone but will be replaced for those really needing support.

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 21:28
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Exactly Thunderbird I had to listen to my daughter asking for money for nights out as her mates were all going out using their EMA.
Is that what it was for?

Sitrep Posted on 19/01/2011 21:28
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Another selfish (unt

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:28
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It seems that the majority of those who could not get it through earning too much are glad that low income families will not get it.

Bitter and twisted. [xx(]


tonybiriyani Posted on 19/01/2011 21:29
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Bitter and twisted.

tonybiriyani Posted on 19/01/2011 21:30
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Beat me to it Joe.

free_pint Posted on 19/01/2011 21:30
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'All in this together...unless you earn less than me then XXXXXX you...'

ItsInTheBlood Posted on 19/01/2011 21:31
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There's no easy answer to this. I'm in my first year of uni, after receiving EMA for two years while at sixth form. I got the maximum - £30 per week, mainly due to living in a single-parent household.

My view on EMA was, if it's available, then I'd be stupid not to take it. However, I always had aspirations to go onto university, and to do so I'd have to continue with my further education - already fully subsidised for me by the state - in order to get the necessary grades. I'd have gone to sixth form whether they gave me money to be there or not.

I could also sympathise with those who didn't get EMA. My mates who got no money, and yet put in the exact same work as me. They certainly weren't given £30 a week from there parents to spend on what they please - although some would argue that their general standard of living would be better due to a higher household income.

I appreciate that there are some people who need financial help to carry on with their education. Those who by going to sixth form for nothing would be sacrificing time which could be used to find work to keep their families afloat financially. Many kids have to spend money just to get to college, and so to some, their EMA is vital.

It is these people, these families, that should be helped. I will readily admit that although I was fully entitled to get the maximum payment from the government, it wasn't something I required in order to continue with my education. For me, a free education was enough help. People like me shouldn't receive EMA. That is money that could be spent on creating more jobs in the economy.

I believe it was right for EMA to be scrapped, as I know first-hand that it wasn't an efficient allocation of taxpayers' money. But I strongly believe that there should be funding in place for those kids who would now have to sacrifice their education in order to earn money - either on minimum wage somewhere or on the dole (which as someone pointed out earlier is a false economy) - to keep their families afloat.

[Edit - Spelling]

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:32
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Jealousy - my favourite sin. [;)]

Sitrep Posted on 19/01/2011 21:32
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"Exactly Thunderbird I had to listen to my daughter asking for money for nights out as her mates were all going out using their EMA.
Is that what it was for?"

Selfish and a tight twart, you are a tory arenít you?

thunderbird Posted on 19/01/2011 21:33
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not at all , i would happily redirect the money for free bus pass etc or vouchers . Bus travel for a month would be more than £30 but when you are being told its going straight in the tills of the pubs you cant argue. Thats not from me its from fellow students.

But on the obvious point , the countys XXXXXXed and we all need to bear some pain but when it come down to "you" having to take you share of the pain its suddnely unfair.. if you are so gutted sponsor a student for £30 a month.

1finny Posted on 19/01/2011 21:33
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I love the way people take a few anectdotes
'my daughters mates blew it on nights out etc'
and draw a conclusion on behalf of all those poor students who do use it conscientiously.
Its a petty, easy target and errr... affects the poor. Shock or what?

Mojo Posted on 19/01/2011 21:34
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Is EMA being scrapped because it costs too much, or its a system open to abuse?


oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 21:37
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What a load of balls! If i earned under 31000 and didnt get ema I would still have made sure my kids could have gone to sixth form , as my parents did for me.
For Gods sake whats happening like are parents having to send their kids out to work in the mills? Stop using silly things to score points against a Tory govt, a party by the way I have never voted for.
I am in fact an ex union rep who simply sees both sides of an issue and admits that people do waste some benefits, ignoring it doesnt help anyone.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 19/01/2011 21:37
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Good

The help should be targeted at those that need it

thunderbird Posted on 19/01/2011 21:38
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Its is being replaced with funds for those who need it , so to say its been scrapped per se is wrong.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 19/01/2011 21:39
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The government should be supplying bus passes and encouraging cycling to and from uni /college. Reciepts to be used to reclaim costs of stationary etc.


1finny Posted on 19/01/2011 21:41
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The government do provide free bus passes and free tube travel and free travel round London at a cost of around £1000 per person for.............. all pensioners including the very wealthy.
I love targeted benefits me [^]

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:42
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ItsInTheBlood - You make some good points regarding the entitlement to EMA and I also have witnessed people get it who I felt should not be entitled to it.

Since you where getting it though, a Torie government has been elected and have started to rape and pillage the country.

We have witnessed VAT rises, fuel hikes, etc and are now witnessing another strike on the working class man whilst bankers are paid milllion pound bonus.

How much more can they take off us?

Believe me when I say this son, this is not the end, but just the start.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 21:42
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erm, the country is one TRILLION in debt, kids shouldnt be paid to go to school, i wasnt

all of you labour numpties need some basic economic lessons, if we dont stop spending we go BANKRUPT

the coalition is clearing up 13 years of economic mismanagement, and its brown at fault. he makes me sick.

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 21:43
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And that too is wrong Finny, use the benefit system properly should be the aim,

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:44
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Oldsmoggie - If you were a union rep, I am glad you weren't mine.

1finny Posted on 19/01/2011 21:44
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'A trillion in debt' [:D]

Now that is not a numpty thing to say at all.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 21:44
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and some of you keep forgetting its a coalition government and that tory isnt spelt torie

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 21:45
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the debt reached £1 trillion yesterday. read the news.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:47
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That's right, blame the Lib Dems for this one.

Waankkers the lot of you.

thunderbird Posted on 19/01/2011 21:48
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im not a tory , nor anything else.

however its easy to be a labourite right now becuause for all the moaning they are doing if they got re-elected they would be doing the same or near enough but they have the luxury of not having to tell us what they would do to sort the mess out.

But I aslo agree that the VAT rise could have waited and its petrol which will really XXXXXX us all over. So they have got that wrong.

Not one party in the election said what cuts they would introduce because they knew it would be definite election loser. With the current joker at the helm Labour wont be in government for a long time yet.

1finny Posted on 19/01/2011 21:48
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Smoggie
I agree use it fairly.
The important point for me is the coalition seem happy to renege on some election promises because 'of the economy' whilst others remain sacrosanct.
You could make an argument, if you were so disposed,to say it seems to be the less well off that are 'targetted' whilst rich (Tory voting?) pensioners are left with their benefit.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 21:48
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here is the reason why we cant pay kids to go to school

http://www.debtbombshell.com/

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 21:49
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'all of you labour numpties need some basic economic lessons'

I think it's you who needs the lessons. They're trimming away the easy targets without hitting the real culprits.


oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 21:49
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I was actually an excellent rep who earned a lot of advantages for my members by using accurate, balanced arguments and only being prepared to fight for benefits that were both fair and equitable.

BoroPhil Posted on 19/01/2011 21:51
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we aren't even remotely near going bankrupt and osborne was told off for suggesting that


Link: Liar

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:51
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thunderbird - if you believe that you are living in a dream world.

All these divvies who voted Lib Dem will be back supporting Labour with the cuts the pact are making.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 19/01/2011 21:52
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I think Labour will be in power soon, Dave the Rave isn't exactly making new friends is he.

Country is goosed.

Everybody is moaning about cuts and protesting. We have to save money somewhere.
Head down arse up, get on with life.

thunderbird Posted on 19/01/2011 21:52
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believe what.. give us a clue

BoroPhil Posted on 19/01/2011 21:52
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and if we can find money for:

a) reorganising the nhs
b) totally overhauling the benefit system
c) bailing out ireland
d) staying in afghanistan
e) dave's photographer

we can afford £30/week for some students, the future of our country

kazza Posted on 19/01/2011 21:52
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when i left school people who didnt have a job could claim unemployment benefit, kids nowadays cant claim anything till they are 18, unless they are bringing up a child or lone parent, my son gets ema and doesnt smoke or XXXXXX it up the wall,

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 21:53
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Finny you are confusing political ideology with facts.
We were talking about the abolition of EMA and I said it was a benefit that wasnt required and was extremely abused. therefore i am happy to come out and say so, I didnt say I agreed with other areas of Tory cuts

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 21:53
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the fact is the coalition is making the touch choices, the unpopular decisions.

its always the same, tidying up an economy broken by Labour

are you not worried by £1 trillion of national debt?
if not then you should be

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 21:53
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Tory liar!

Now there's a shock.

tonybiriyani Posted on 19/01/2011 21:54
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the debt reached £1 trillion yesterday. read the news.


So the debt is getting worse under the conned'ems?

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:54
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But if you were not entitled to them I bet no one got them. [;)]

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 21:56
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RABD - Even other tory MPs don't believe the bankruptcy theory.

The chancellor, George Osborne, came under fire today from MPs on the Treasury select committee, charged with "misleading the public" for claiming the UK was near bankruptcy in the weeks after he took office. He was accused of using inflammatory language to justify massive public spending cuts.

The committee chairman, Tory MP Andrew Tyrie, said Osborne's claim that Britain had been "on the brink of bankruptcy" was "a bit over the top". He also challenged the chancellor's claims that his emergency budget had been progressive, accusing him of "over-egging it a bit".

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 21:56
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yes because that is interest on the debt already built up by 5 continuous years of spending more than receiving in tax 2004-2009 -

the cuts if anything arent deep enough

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 21:58
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no i havent lied, debt is fact if you dont deal with it you go bankrupt, simple really

you lot live in a fantasy world where you can keep on spending money that we dont have,


thunderbird Posted on 19/01/2011 22:00
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bored now

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 22:00
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Joe you are an arse.
carry on living your life by old class divisions without thinking.
Life should be about looking at a problem, then seeing what can be done in a fair and equitable way, Stop screaming tory XXXXXXs and think it through.
I am actually a card carrying Labour Party member, what do you do for the Labour movement other than throw insults on messageboards?

BoroPhil Posted on 19/01/2011 22:00
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so RABD knows better than the treasury select committee?

seriously, stop worrying so much.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:00
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Spain's socialist government is cutting spending, i suppose they are 'evil' too.

even Castro cut spending in Cuba

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 22:00
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RABD - What about Andrew Tyrie's comments?

ZippytheHippy Posted on 19/01/2011 22:01
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good

Why should some snot nose teenager be paid £30 a week to go to school when a 50 year old bloke/woman who has worked and paid NI all there woking lives be paid £50 odd quid a week unemployment benefit.

Compleye waste of money imo and £560 mill well saved.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:02
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thats his opinion, i think differently having looked at the financial facts

If you think Ed Milliband is a credible PM then the delusion continues

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 19/01/2011 22:03
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House prices that mean you have to live with your parents until you're 36.
27 grand for a university education.
Highest rate of unemployment amongst 16 - 24 year olds since records began.
An ageing population to pay for.

If you're under 30 you're XXXXXXed. Raise your glass to the babyboomers they did you over proper. [^]

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 22:04
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Vote for them.

I just find it hard that an ex union rep would whinge because his sibblings are not entitled to EMA.

And I am an arse???

I think you need to look at the bigger picture and the million of families this will affect.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:05
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and WHAT ABOUT THE DEBT?

the ema was a joke, kids never got paid to go to school before and everyone screaming about it like its a god given right is just embarassing given the economic state of the country

try getting another govt in any other country to pay you to go to school and see how far you get


Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 19/01/2011 22:05
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Ed Miliband doesn't come across as a bloke to run the country, bit like Cameron and Clegg.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 22:06
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Well RABD, the expenses are going up. When people are paid off, instead a of a wage they get the dole, they stop paying tax, council tax, national insurance etc. They also have less money to spend in the shops, so the private sector pays off as well. It's all happened before, the so called boom doesn't rectify the damage done. That's why the UK's becoming a slum.

Any profit made now goes into fewer and fewer hands, we've had long term unemployed for generations for the first time in history.

All points to gross mismanagement since the 1970's, when you were fed the stories about trade union power and you bottled it.

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 22:07
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House prices that mean you have to live with your parents until you're 36.

Why? Is renting not an option?
Until fairly recently thats what most people did when they moved out of their parents.
Owning a house is not a right, having a roof over your head is of course.
Home ownership is a Tory goal, the Tory party you claim to despise

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:10
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the uk is becoming a slum?

having worked in asia, and lived in communist countries, the uk is most definitely not a slum, everyone here expects to get given money on a plate rather than working and saving

try getting any 'benefits' elsewhere and see how far you get

NickClegg Posted on 19/01/2011 22:10
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Shocking decision [|)]

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 19/01/2011 22:10
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Open the pits, let them work a few weeks if they want cash.

Gillandi Posted on 19/01/2011 22:10
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"Its is being replaced with funds for those who need it , so to say its been scrapped per se is wrong."

The people saying it will be replaced are the same people who said it wouldn't be scrapped.

peterkay Posted on 19/01/2011 22:11
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I have mixed thoughts about this as I received a grant to go to college however times now are exceptionally difficult for any government and perhaps the reality for us all is that the ema is simply not affordable.

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 22:11
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But Joe thats the whole point I dont believe its a benefit cut that will greatly affect millions of people unless its really a stealth benefit that isnt actually used for the reason its given.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 22:15
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oldsmoggie - we will have to agree to disagree.

I think when we see the natioanl and local NEET rate rise and kids dropping out of further education, then we can discuss it again.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:16
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all those complaining about the end of this unaffordable 'benefit' please tell me how you would reduce the national debt?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 22:18
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'everyone here expects to get given money on a plate rather than working and saving'

Not true at all, and you're right comparing it to Asia and Eastern Europe. Our standards are dropping that fast.

The place is a tip.


oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 22:19
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Perhaps then it will be because they had the wrong motive to being there.
By the way it was supposed to be dependent on various criteria being met such as attendance and work handed in on time but that is never or rareley kept up as a criteria for the benefit.

oooooo Posted on 19/01/2011 22:21
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One anecdotal account where one child escaped life on a council estate but a few years later sees how her own siblings have been royally XXXXXXed over.


Link: Here

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:23
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if ppl dont expect to get money on a plate then why complain about the EMA which is precisely that,

you tell people from other countries that kids get paid to go to school in the UK and they just laugh at you, kids should go to school to want to improve themselves, to strive, get a weekend job, cut down on what you spend, economise - great lessons to learn for life

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 22:23
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Oldsmoggie - When I was at connexions the kids attendance was checked regularly - FACT.

We got registers for kids attendance and their EMA was actioned according to them.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:25
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if the place is a tip then move, everywhere else in the world (cuba, spain) is taking similar action, the party is over, the chickens have come home to roost.

but nowhere else is any better...

certain parts of california have had to scrap their fireservice

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 22:27
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Joe if thats the case i dont know who is marking the registers then!!

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 22:28
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RABD - Cuba must be one of the poorest counties in the world since the Russians left.

When I was there, there was a Nuclear Physic working as a hair dresser because there was more money in it.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 22:28
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'My siblings and their peers are young, furious, and theyíve had their life chances sold off for ideological reasons by a bunch of over-privileged careerists, and they wonít forget in a hurry.'

Just about sums it up. Ideological reasons.

BoroPhil Posted on 19/01/2011 22:28
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rabd - how about withdrawing from afghanistan? reckon that would save any money?

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 22:29
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Oldsmoggie you aren't suggesting that the figures where fudged are you. [;)]

I don't think they would dare.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:30
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not opposed to that idea.

those who voted for labour when they were spending more than tax income generated should hang their heads also

kazza Posted on 19/01/2011 22:31
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Joe is right about attendance, also lateness, its always checked, will throw a spanner in the works now they also used to get a bonus of 100 every so often, but that stopped,

tonybiriyani Posted on 19/01/2011 22:32
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RABD - if the place is a tip then move, everywhere else in the world (cuba, spain) is taking similar action, the party is over, the chickens have come home to roost.

but nowhere else is any better...

certain parts of california have had to scrap their fireservice


Make your mind up RABD earlier in the thread you said it was ALL down to 13 years of financial mismanagement by Labour.


Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 22:32
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Kazza - that stopped a while back.

oldsmoggie Posted on 19/01/2011 22:36
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Joe I can only speak as I see it from one case of a friend of my daughter who had a very poor attendance record but her EMA was unaffected, I agree it may or may not be an isolated case.
By the way i want to go on record as saying i disagree with the majority of the cuts targets but have never believed that EMA did what it was supposedly intended to do and would rather see it go than other funding.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:36
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labour continued to spend before during and after the economic crisis of 2008 more than was brought in in tax income,

the same happened in california, cuba spain, economic mismanagement of the highest order.

Labour failed in 2003-2010. as always. it would be nice to have a tory government with money to spend for once

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:38
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now people arguing that Labour handled the economy well, you couldnt make it up!

Simple facts - dont spend what you dont have, governments across the world learnt that in 2008, sadly too late for many across the world

dodger Posted on 19/01/2011 22:39
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EMA scrapped , kids who are entitled to it lose it , a benefit cut.

Did the kids cause the situation that politicians use to justify these cuts ?

The politicians friends and "sponsors" caused the situation .

The student protests were manna from heaven for politicians to cut EMA , front page news , sponges believing the propaganda and hey preto it's gone.


RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:42
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people should be trusted with the money THEY earn
to spend it how they see fit

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 22:42
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'if the place is a tip then move, everywhere else in the world (cuba, spain) is taking similar action, the party is over, the chickens have come home to roost'

I've been on the move for three and a half years. The UK, along with the place I'm now at (USA), have the most slum areas I've seen, despite being two of the wealthiest places.

There's absolutely no need for it. We should be looking at improving the standard of living for the majority, not the few. The three European countries I worked in all have higher standards, two are in the EU yet haven't had the oil and gas revenues we've thrown away, both Conservatives and Labour.

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:43
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some guy was just on the news saying he 'spent his ema' over the weekend - why not go to work part time instead?


dodger Posted on 19/01/2011 22:53
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"some guy was just on the news saying he 'spent his ema' over the weekend - why not go to work part time instead?"

Ever had the feeling you were being had?

I have seen politicians on the news making promises , vote for them and you will be living in clover [:D]




RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 22:54
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get a paper round, do bar work, work at a restaurant

those are the people who i admire, who work for what they get rather than moaning about how the state isnt providing for them

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 19/01/2011 22:56
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A lot of the kids do have part time jobs.

dodger Posted on 19/01/2011 23:01
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All the jobs you mention are being squeezed.

Not many new pubs opening , more closing , restaurants too.

Paper round , that was a job for school kids , when I was a kid. But now the kids don't get jobs and the old can't retire 'cos we cant afford them.

Where did the money go ?

RABD Posted on 19/01/2011 23:02
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you can always get work at a bar/restaurant, there is work out there, call centre work etc not great jobs but you always get a better job if you're n work

dodger Posted on 19/01/2011 23:08
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How many bar staff can you have?

Call centres are closing , moved to a cheaper alternative abroad.


Torino Posted on 19/01/2011 23:12
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erm, the country is one TRILLION in debt, kids shouldnt be paid to go to school, i wasnt

all of you labour numpties need some basic economic lessons, if we dont stop spending we go BANKRUPT

the coalition is clearing up 13 years of economic mismanagement, and its brown at fault. he makes me sick.
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Guessing you do not know what EMA is then you ignorant fool ?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 19/01/2011 23:13
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'you can always get work at a bar/restaurant'

The shutters will being going up on lots of them once the pay offs take effect. You pay people off, they can't afford to go out for meals.

I remember coming back in the 80's after being abroad for a while. Couldn't believe the devastation. The country still hasn't bounced back from it.

dodger Posted on 19/01/2011 23:18
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Yeah the country is a trillion in debt , I've got a good idea , lets make the kids pay for it.

On a related subject , look up how much the country has borrowed since the solution the problem took office [:D]


moggas_armband Posted on 19/01/2011 23:23
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[^]what did the students pre 2004 do before EMA was introduced? colleges offer free transport, take a packed lunch from home if you need food. Or is the problem - no EMA no drink money.

Torino Posted on 20/01/2011 01:11
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Just to clarify, student are NOT getting paid to go to school, like some idiots seem to think on this thread.


offside-again Posted on 20/01/2011 01:28
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Why don't they just give 'em 15 quid a week instead ? That would be better and would weed out those who go to college just because they can't be arsed looking for a job instead.

I think there are plenty who fit into that category, 30 just about pays for cigs and the odd night out, 15 wouldn't.

Hurworth Posted on 20/01/2011 06:22
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"You will be amased how many kids drop out of college now and the government want kids to stay on at school till they are 18."

The 16-24 year old sector is at record levels for unemployment. Does this suggest that the strategy of everyone going to university/college to better their chances in the jobs market is flawed and doesn't work very well?

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 20/01/2011 06:30
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"erm, the country is one TRILLION in debt, kids shouldnt be paid to go to school, i wasnt

all of you labour numpties need some basic economic lessons, if we dont stop spending we go BANKRUPT

the coalition is clearing up 13 years of economic mismanagement, and its brown at fault. he makes me sick. "


Bang on. Far too many going to college these days anyway. Something badly wrong when we are having to bring in millions of people from Eastern Europe to fill Vacancies, yet there are three million on the dole. Trouble is, lots of people fell for the Labour con trick of being told that just because they got a grade E in GCSE Sociology, they were destined for great things. This resulted in refusal to take realistic jobs such as manual work, catering etc, hence the need for the immigrants.

Now these people are stuck in a void. They think they are too good for minimum wage jobs, but aren't good enough for anything else.

A whole generation betrayed by Labour.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 20/01/2011 06:33
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"I think Labour will be in power soon, Dave the Rave isn't exactly making new friends is he"

So you detect a real groundswell of opinion that wants Red Ed in power do you?[:D]
He must be the most innefective leader in UK political history. He makes Iain Duncan Smith look like a roaring success.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 20/01/2011 08:53
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Another 3 years of Cameron and Roofie could get voted in!


Torino Posted on 20/01/2011 17:49
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Bang on. Far too many going to college these days anyway. Something badly wrong when we are having to bring in millions of people from Eastern Europe to fill Vacancies, yet there are three million on the dole. Trouble is, lots of people fell for the Labour con trick of being told that just because they got a grade E in GCSE Sociology, they were destined for great things. This resulted in refusal to take realistic jobs such as manual work, catering etc, hence the need for the immigrants.

Now these people are stuck in a void. They think they are too good for minimum wage jobs, but aren't good enough for anything else.

A whole generation betrayed by Labour.
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I agree with that like, people should only be allowed into college if they get at least C's in most of their subjects at school (and that's borderline minimum) The rest can go look for apprenticeships.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 20/01/2011 18:05
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Most apprenticeships require Cs and above, keep the dross at college so the tradesmen improve.


OPEO Posted on 20/01/2011 18:10
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RABD. Another muppet who got his username wrong. Foaming at the mouth is a sure sign. Woof woof.[:D]

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 20/01/2011 18:26
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The government want kids to stay on at school till they are 18 and you are complaining that there are too many going to college.

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 20/01/2011 18:39
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It does help the unemployment figures kepping them in education.

Joe_Laidlaw Posted on 20/01/2011 18:44
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British people lag behind their European counterparts when it comes to education and all these cuts should put a stop to all that. [;)]

RABD Posted on 20/01/2011 19:01
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OPEO - ?

One trillion pound debt is not foaming at the mouth - just fact

RABD Posted on 20/01/2011 19:03
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Labour would have scrapped EMA - here is the proof

Education: Maintenance grant to be axed when leaving age is raised
By Tom Lloyd
Young People Now
25 April 2007
An incentive scheme that rewards 16- to 18-year-olds for staying in education post-16 will be abolished when the leaving age is increased to 18.
The Secretary of State for Education said last week that education maintenance allowances (EMAs) would no longer be necessary when the age is raised in 2015.

Giving evidence to the Education and Skills Select Committee inquiry into 14-19 education, Alan Johnson said: "The EMA is there as an incentive to stay on. We will not need to incentivise after 2015."

EMAs give 16- to 18-year-olds from households where the combined income is less that £30,810 a year a payment of £30 a week to stay in education, and the scheme is regarded as a success.

Steve Stewart, chief executive of Connexions Coventry and Warwickshire, warned replacing EMAs with compulsion would backfire: "If some young people didn't have the EMA, it would increase our not in education, employment or training figures."

Johnson admitted that a hard core of about 10 per cent of students will still refuse to engage in education even it if is compulsory, and said advice and guidance services in schools would be key to encouraging students to continue some form of learning.

He insisted that doing away with EMAs was not a money-saving exercise. "We are saying that we need to look and have a genuine discussion about how we divert that money," he said.

He said a range of options would be used to get young people to stay in compulsory education, but that punitive measures would remain an option.

He said authorities would "have a very good information system to find out what is happening and to lure them, encourage them, entice them back in and find out what the problem is". He added: "We would not move into the realm of punishment in the sense of attendance orders until you have gone through a process."

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 21/01/2011 06:38
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Jan Moir has a few words for the moaning minnies


Link: Get A Paper Round!!

RABD Posted on 21/01/2011 20:32
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i see the labour hordes have no answer when fact is presented as opposed to hostile, crude insults.

r00fie Posted on 21/01/2011 20:43
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Disgusting. Wont stop the toffs going to Eton or Harrow but some kid on an estate on Teesside is bolloxed.

Cheers Nick n Dave.

enigma17 Posted on 21/01/2011 20:57
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Good to see another easy bash at the Tories.

A) Labour were going to do it anyway
B) The EMA system was a joke, the money was not being used for what it should by many. People who really need the money will still be subsidised.

RABD Posted on 21/01/2011 23:39
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roofie read the post two spots above yours, labour were going to scrap ema as well because its a poor use of public money, and we are one trillion in debt

Torino Posted on 21/01/2011 23:47
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Labour were not going to scrap it until 2015 by the looks of that. Even if they did scrap it, some students were still going to need support in getting to school/college.

If those that need help get it, I have no problem with it getting scrapped. Though after the tuition fee's Lie's by the Lib Dem's, can you really blame people for thinking that no help will be given to people who need it ?

RABD Posted on 21/01/2011 23:52
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that article was published before the crash, before the true scale of labour economic failure was evident, the ema would have gone regardless of who won the last election,