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kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 18/01/2011 11:54
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It's good to see that we are becoming a fairer and more tolerant society. The hoteliers have been told to pay 1800 pounds compensation to both men after refusing to let them stay in a double room. The defendants said that homosexuality was against their beliefs. The judge said:

"I am quite satisfied as to the genuineness of the defendants' beliefs...

"It is a very clear example of how social attitudes have changed over the years for it is not so very long ago that these beliefs of the defendants would have been those accepted as normal by society at large."

"Now it is the other way around."


Link: link

Dibzzz Posted on 18/01/2011 11:57
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Bit of a bum rap that.

FlarPhone_Warehouse Posted on 18/01/2011 11:57
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I wonder if this will mean that hotels can no longer be able to ban stag nights - no I didnt think so [V]

mattrich Posted on 18/01/2011 11:58
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Why were they given money? Why weren't they just given an apology? The fact that they were proved right must mean more to them than the money, maybe they will give it to charity.

zzzzz Posted on 18/01/2011 12:05
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Wondered how long it would take for this to get linked.

The intolerance to bummers on this board is shocking sometimes. [:(]

Bri_Marwood Posted on 18/01/2011 12:06
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If I owned a hotel I would have done the same thing.

smoghead Posted on 18/01/2011 12:07
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*waits for bernie to post littlejohn article on the subject*

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 18/01/2011 12:09
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Flar - what do stag nights have to do with equality law?

Mattrich - Financial compensation is the method used by judge's to give appropriate weight to their judgment.

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 12:09
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Q: Is a bloke allowed to bum his missus in that hotel?

zzzzz Posted on 18/01/2011 12:11
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Won't she do it at home? [8D]

mattrich Posted on 18/01/2011 12:13
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It is in this country, but somewhere like France honour and been proved right are far more important.

FlarPhone_Warehouse Posted on 18/01/2011 12:16
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Kernaghan - hotel owners disrciminate aginst stag nights on the basis that they might cause damage.

I cant see why that is any different to this?

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 18/01/2011 12:16
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Mido - how would that be relevant to equality law?

Kocek Posted on 18/01/2011 12:20
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"on the basis that they might cause damage, cant see why that is any different to this?"

then you are spectacularly stupid

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 12:20
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Its not.

But it might be handy to know if they object to all forms of bumming as well [^]

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 18/01/2011 12:21
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Flar - because refusing a stag night is not a racial or gender human rights issue. A somewhat different and more important matter.

Evil Posted on 18/01/2011 12:26
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What if they get poo on the bedsheets though?

Thats damaging property.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 12:32
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Whatever happened to the management reserve the right to refuse entry, when i first read about this i actually felt a bit sorry for the women, she was not horrible she offered them 2 seperate rooms offerred a full refund just said as a catholic it was against her religion, i can understand people may take offence but what about her rights

Bri_Marwood Posted on 18/01/2011 12:33
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I'm with you here Wiggler.

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 12:34
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I wonder if the courts would have done anything if they were muslims refusing them entry?

Serious question.

I suspect catholics were easier to make an example of.

Kocek Posted on 18/01/2011 12:36
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LOL what a stupid thing to say

Anim8 Posted on 18/01/2011 12:36
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@wiggler

you mean her rights to discriminate?

moxxey Posted on 18/01/2011 12:39
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"Q: Is a bloke allowed to bum his missus in that hotel?"

There's a BIG difference between someone staying in a hotel and a couple having sex. Who said anything about that in this court case? Whether it's illegal or legal to have sex, that's not the argument here.

You know, you should be able to go somewhere as a couple and stay there, sex or no sex included, without being told "you're not welcome", especially when you arrive!

Bri_Marwood Posted on 18/01/2011 12:40
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I hardly think her actions were discriminatory, she was attempting to find a solution which adhered to her beliefs. God bless the woman for trying to be sensible in this crazy PC world.

Would there be such a storm as this if she had done the same with an unmarried hetro couple?

BigCasino Posted on 18/01/2011 12:41
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There is an opinion put forward by the Christian Association (something like that) that the owners basic human rights to practice their chosen religion has been infringed.

Question - is a pub landlord able to refuse entry to anyone without having to give any reason? I was always led to believe that. Just wondered whether it's true or something put about by landlords.

gravyboat Posted on 18/01/2011 12:43
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'Would there be such a storm as this if she had done the same with an unmarried hetro couple?'

Are you seriously suggesting this women has only ever allowed couples to stay in a double room in her hotel if they're married?

borobuddah Posted on 18/01/2011 12:43
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"Would there be such a storm as this if she had done the same with an unmarried hetro couple?"

I wonder if she would have banned them too?

Bri_Marwood Posted on 18/01/2011 12:44
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They weren't banned, they were offered other accomodation.

gravyboat Posted on 18/01/2011 12:47
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So you can only have a double-room in her hotel if you're hetrosexual and married? [:D]

Oooo Posted on 18/01/2011 12:48
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It was a good ruling this as it bassically says that religious beliefs cannot come before the laws of the country. That has got to be right.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 18/01/2011 12:48
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"It's good to see that we are becoming a fairer and more tolerant society."

Although less tolerant to peoples Christian beliefs, and the right of people to have a say on what goes on in their home.

Oooo Posted on 18/01/2011 12:51
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Tolerant to the point where their beliefs break our laws. It cannot be any different if you think it through

gravyboat Posted on 18/01/2011 12:52
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'their home'

No. It's a hotel.

If they don't want a gay couple in 'their home', they're probably best off not advertising they have rooms available.

John67 Posted on 18/01/2011 13:00
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"Question - is a pub landlord able to refuse entry to anyone without having to give any reason? I was always led to believe that. Just wondered whether it's true or something put about by landlords." Yes they can. If the landlord gives a reason then you can argue but if the landlord bars you without a reason you can not argue with them. Landlords are also not supposed to serve someone who the believe to be drunk or under the influence of drugs, known prostitutes, on duty police officers and justices of the peace when they are performing duties.

peterkay Posted on 18/01/2011 13:02
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Wrong decision its their business and they should be allowed to choose who stays and who does not. Nightclubs and pubs can refuse entry so whats the difference?

gravyboat Posted on 18/01/2011 13:05
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'Wrong decision its their business'

So a company owner should be allowed to refuse to employ somebody based upon their sexuality?

FlarPhone_Warehouse Posted on 18/01/2011 13:06
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""on the basis that they might cause damage, cant see why that is any different to this?"

then you are spectacularly stupid "

If you cant see why banning a group of people because of a preconception of "them" isnt the same then perhaps you are the "spectacularly stupid" one?

Anim8 Posted on 18/01/2011 13:10
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@peterkay

the businesses who segregated coloureds from whites in the US last century would have wholly subscribed to your argument.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 18/01/2011 13:11
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its one thing to be homophobic, but quite another to be able to express your religious beliefs in your own house in what is supposed to be a christian lead country.

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 13:11
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So a company owner should be allowed to refuse to employ somebody based upon their sexuality?

The BBC seem to refuse to employ anyone straight on the Saturday lottery shows [V]

Starbuck Posted on 18/01/2011 13:11
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Where in the Bible does it say "Nay back door shenanighans" ?? Or words to that effect ??
Christian beliefs or closet bigotry ??

What if these guys were of the lavender persuasion but celibate; a la Stephen Fry

Bri_Marwood Posted on 18/01/2011 13:11
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You can't call them colourds, that's offensive to blacks. I'm appalled.

peterkay Posted on 18/01/2011 13:18
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So a company owner should be allowed to refuse to employ somebody based upon their sexuality? YEP its their business.

maxi_levey Posted on 18/01/2011 13:21
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Dirty baaastards

redlion Posted on 18/01/2011 13:21
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I thought the reason they were refused a double room was because they weren't married not because they were gay.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 18/01/2011 13:22
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'Where in the Bible does it say "Nay back door shenanighans" ?? Or words to that effect ??
Christian beliefs or closet bigotry ??
'

it doesnt but it does mention no sex before marriage, and the christian religion does not recognise what they have as marriage.

mickymacc Posted on 18/01/2011 13:29
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"it doesnt but it does mention no sex before marriage,"-who said they were going to be bucking?.More religious bigotry,mind you,the bandits were out of order for taking money from the case (if they have).I'm nothing if not fair.[^]

borobuddah Posted on 18/01/2011 13:31
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Ok, so would she have offered an unmarried heterosexual couple only separate single rooms?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 18/01/2011 13:34
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'who said they were going to be bucking?.'

no one, but the same could be said when in the traditional sense couples did not sleep together before marriage.

It takes away the suggestion.

I do not see any harm in it, we are a christian country after all.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 18/01/2011 13:36
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'Ok, so would she have offered an unmarried heterosexual couple only separate single rooms?'

who knows. But I imagine so.

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 13:39
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An unmarried couple would have called them selves Mr & Mrs Smith.

The gay chaps could have pushed the twin beds together, instead of going down the no win no fee route.


Starbuck Posted on 18/01/2011 13:42
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"it doesnt but it does mention no sex before marriage,"

Really ??? where ? Its not in any of the first 10 commandments, or as I call them, the main stuff. Don't recall JC blasting off against a bit of pre-nup rolling around.

Revol_Tees Posted on 18/01/2011 13:48
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Unbelievable to see some people effectively endorsing segregation.

What if the woman's deeply held religious beliefs forbade black men from sleeping with white women? Would it be acceptable for her to turn them away on the basis that the "management reserve the right to refuse entry"?

The management do NOT reserve the right to refuse entry on grounds of race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, etc. Any concession to that is a capitulation to bigotry. If the hotel owner can't accept this, she's in the wrong business.

joebonano Posted on 18/01/2011 13:52
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fair enough decision but the puffs should never have got that much.

MightyDuck Posted on 18/01/2011 13:54
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would you want 2 blokes bumming each other in one of your bedrooms?

joebonano Posted on 18/01/2011 13:56
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I thought having peep holes was illegal?

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 14:01
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Mind its funny they minded about not having a double bed when they can usually manage it in a toilet cubicle.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 18/01/2011 14:02
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'black men from sleeping with white women'

this is in no way a christian belief

borobuddah Posted on 18/01/2011 14:04
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Redlion they ARE married - Civil partnership

colin21 Posted on 18/01/2011 14:05
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Of course its right the people got punished....but....Did you see them coming out of court wearing identical clothes...the partner look.. silly sods they should have been fine 800 quid each for being so bloody daft.

borobadge Posted on 18/01/2011 14:07
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it should have been £10,000 each in compensation.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 18/01/2011 14:09
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borobuddah its not a religious marriage, which is what marriage is. It is a contract set out by government they have.

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 14:09
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If it was 10k we'd all be going to hotels saying "Hello sailor, a double for me and my lover"

Lefty Posted on 18/01/2011 14:10
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Are any of the people complaining about this ruling also up in arms at the idea of Sharia Law trumping UK Law?

Must be difficult to reconcile the two.

SNOWBANDIT Posted on 18/01/2011 14:10
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We're all bigots - one way or another

borobuddah Posted on 18/01/2011 14:11
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Ok So they would turn away Charles and Camilla, or anyone else married in a registry office?

mickymacc Posted on 18/01/2011 14:12
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What snowbandit said.[^]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 18/01/2011 14:15
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i have no idea who they would turn away.

but it is clear that this is religious reasons and nothing else, and as a christian country such beliefs should be upheld

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 18/01/2011 14:16
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I side with the owners, their B+B, obey their rules.

Don't like it book elsewhere.

peterkay Posted on 18/01/2011 14:16
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it should have never have reaached court its their hotel, end of.

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 14:18
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It's the law, a B&B is licensed premises. The law was upheld.

Kocek Posted on 18/01/2011 14:18
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"If you cant see why banning a group of people because of a preconception of "them" isnt the same then perhaps you are the "spectacularly stupid" one?"



deary me, thickness personified

TheSmogMonster Posted on 18/01/2011 14:19
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"I do not see any harm in it, we are a christian country after all."

We are?

We're one of the most secular countries in the world.

People putting CoE on forms does not equate to religion.

People don't have the right to discriminate and thats a good thing.

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 14:20
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The opinions of many on here are appalling.

Fair enough the couple may have targeted this hotel because they were stupid enough to promote their illegal policy.

Lots of people, funnily enough religious people at that are living in the dark ages.

I couldnt care less what they want to do if it was my hotel. My GF when at uni had a gay housemate who shared his bedroom with his partner, in the room next to my GF. Didnt bother me one bit, maybe just because of who i am or because i didnt have a religious upbringing.

borobuddah Posted on 18/01/2011 14:21
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Razmond - marriage is not real if its not a religious ceremony, that is ridiculous

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 14:22
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this is meant as a serious question not to have a go at anyone for beliefs and such thing, on the bbc article the following quote was made

Mr Hall and Mr Preddy's case was backed by the Equality and Human Rights Commission

What about the Human Rights of the woman who owns the b&b is she not allowed rights, again serious question

borobuddah Posted on 18/01/2011 14:24
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No, she has to abide by the LAW

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 14:25
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So no she has no human rights.... clears that up then

borobuddah Posted on 18/01/2011 14:28
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She is allowed human rights but is required to act within the law.

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 14:30
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Wiggler, how does she have no human rights?

speckyget Posted on 18/01/2011 14:32
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She would have the same right of redress if she encountered a hotel that banned Christians.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 18/01/2011 14:42
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Before the smoking ban B&B owners could turn away smokers if they wished.

A B&B or Guesthouse is just that - a house, someones home. They should be allowed to refuse people if they wish.

Minorities should have to conform with the norms of society, not the other way round

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 14:46
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'Minorities should have to conform with the norms of society, not the other way round'

No we should all conform to the same laws, discrimination against minorities is illegal.

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 14:46
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No Bernie they could not turn away smokers. They could tell them it was a no smoking establishment, and ask them to leave if they breached their contract. B&B's are licensed premises, and as such are regulated by the law of the land.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 14:48
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Wiggler, how does she have no human rights?


It is my opinion that she should have a human right to allow whoever she liked in to her b&b, in fact she did not say they could not stay there she said seperate rooms.

Again my opinion

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 18/01/2011 14:49
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' or because i didnt have a religious upbringing.'

and there is the fundamental difference.

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 14:52
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OK, so human rights should be decided by peoples "opinions" as apposed to the rule of law? Yeah, that's going to work!

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 14:53
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RAZ, so if its a fundamental difference would you agree that without a religious upbringing i am clear of mind and not prejudiced?

Are young people brainwashed with this ideology?

Then again many people grow up with religion and have not continued with their religious beliefs.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 18/01/2011 14:58
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religious beliefs should be upheld, especially when it is the religion of the country.

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 15:05
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"Religious beliefs should be upheld"

I remember when some people thought that flying airliners into buildings was part of their "religious" beliefs. Or the Taliban leader who ordered a girls ears and nose be cut off. Or people being burned alive etc, etc etc.

Religious beliefs or twisted agenda, you decide!

robbso Posted on 18/01/2011 15:15
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I came across this in a Diversity course.They courted publicity and won,the judge ruled in their favour.Another case in the pipeline is one were Vegans are claiming discrimination in certain workplaces.Unbelievable.

I wonder how many of the liberals on here would in all honestly put a comforting arm around their sons shoulders when he came out.Or would secretly feel ashamed and a bit sick.Just a thought like,someone said up there^^^ quite rightly,we all have prejudices.

It appears though,that people are not allowed to have them.[8)]


SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 15:18
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I wonder how many of the liberals on here would in all honestly put a comforting arm around their sons shoulders when he came out.Or would secretly feel ashamed and a bit sick.'

Are you being serious, 'ashamed', 'sick' [|)]

Not forgetting the fact that your daughter could be gay.

I would love my child no matter what their orientation, i feel sorry for kids who grow up around adults such as yourself.

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 15:21
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"quite rightly we all have prejudices"

Speak for your self!

robbso Posted on 18/01/2011 15:22
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Yes i am being serious,until it happens to you you wont know,stop being a smart a.rse.It happens,it tears families apart.

You never see me comment on these threads cos i have first hand knowledge of the subject through family members and i know the effect it can have.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 15:24
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OK, so human rights should be decided by peoples "opinions" as apposed to the rule of law? Yeah, that's going to work!


ok so her rights dont count as its the law ok fine, so let the police caution her, should mr and mr have called the police and had her arrested for breaking the law or should she have been made to allow them to stay as it was the law, should she have been fined from the b&b regulatory for not abiding by the law, why £1800 each compo, it is pc gone mad, and also a member of my family is gay and i have had the same conversation with her, although with Lesbiens i think i would let them in...lol

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 15:25
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'It happens,it tears families apart.'


Yes because parents with prejudice such as yours make the child feel ashamed.


borobuddah Posted on 18/01/2011 15:25
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Why would they need a "comforting arm"

TheSmogMonster Posted on 18/01/2011 15:26
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"It happens,it tears families apart."

Only if you let it.

I've had a a close family member and two friends 'come out' and no one got upset.. everyone gets on as normal.

It only tears families apart when there is bigotry involved.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 15:26
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'It happens,it tears families apart.'

Not all families, most can handle it. The intolerant would struggle, I'll give you that.

If the owner wants a B&B licence she should open her doors to anybody acting within the law. The couple most certainly were.


robbso Posted on 18/01/2011 15:26
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Unless you have the title Saint before your christian name squarewheel,then you are kidding yourself.

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 15:28
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"it is pc gone mad"

Not that so called "PC" even exists!

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 15:29
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Personally if I didnt like the rules made by someone owning a B & B Id tell em to XXXXXX off and Id go elsewhere.

I wouldnt take them to court for compo for my poor wickle hurt feelings.

mickymacc Posted on 18/01/2011 15:30
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"I wonder how many of the liberals on here would in all honestly put a comforting arm around their sons shoulders when he came out" -being liberal is to be tolerant,you don't have to like something to accept it.

robbso Posted on 18/01/2011 15:31
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Yes because parents with prejudice such as yours make the child feel ashamed.

Glad tou typed that,you arrogant pri.ck.My lad came out this year and was met with cuddles and hugs and all round good wishes from all of his close family,including brothers,friends and especialy his PARENTS.My neice on the other hand got dogs abuse when she came out.



SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 15:32
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Then again Midosparmo you probably dont agree with them fighting for civil partnerships or equality in the work place, no doubt you would expect them to just go somewhere else and get on with it and stop complaining.

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 15:35
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The only place they dont seem to have equality in the workplace is in footy.
So If you are so pro equality you should organise a gay pride march on the Riverside stadium.

But of course you talk the self righteous talk, but dont walk it.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 15:36
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'Personally if I didnt like the rules made by someone owning a B & B'

They don't make 'the rules' fortunately. The licensing authority does.

Good to see plenty of opposition to the march towards civilisation. It gives more backing to the calls to stop education cuts.

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 15:36
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robbso but you were talking about feelings of shame and feeling sick.

Why would you have to console someone for who they are[?]

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 15:39
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My objection is only to the compo culture.

They should be fined and ordered not to do it again, fair enough.

Go back to school CTC if you didnt get that.

robbso Posted on 18/01/2011 15:40
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because S.S i have seen it happen,whether you like it or not,it happens.

It didn"t happen with mine,it was the best thing he did,he is happier now,but that"s not the point.Not everyone thinks the same.

superstu Posted on 18/01/2011 15:42
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"...but it is clear that this is religious reasons and nothing else, and as a christian country such beliefs should be upheld"

Vera_duckworths_piles found out his wife has been waving it about all over the place just this morning, when she flashed her latest fling's phone number in his face. Going by your Christian Bible he should stone her to death now. I for one hope he does no such thing, and that we can be a modern, tolerant, liberal country, where modern, tolerant, liberal values are upheld.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 15:49
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'My objection is only to the compo culture.'

You're having difficulty in expressing it. You should have been more attentive when you had the chance.

A life of bigotry lies ahead for you and your simpleton friends.


FlarPhone_Warehouse Posted on 18/01/2011 15:52
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CTC - Do you object to his viewpoint? That's rather bigotted of you, wouldnt you say?

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 15:52
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Still turning a blind eye to the goings on of the far right in the USA while you collect your yankee dollars?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 16:01
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I've never turned a blind eye to bigotry, here or over there. A difficult concept for you yokels, I know, but politcal thought is possible wherever you travel to work.

I'm doing what I can here through subscription and backing what I feel is worthy of support, much the same as I do at home. I'm not quiet about my views, most people can handle that, it's the backwards and intolerant that can't handle democracy, like yourselves.

Do you have a difficulty with people travelling abroad to work?


gravyboat Posted on 18/01/2011 16:02
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'Friendly and comfortable B&B located in picturesque Berkshire countryside, within walking distance of some wonderful country walks. Double and twins available, all en-suite with tea and coffee making facilities and fresh towels. Evening meals also available in our homely dining room. Off-street parking, and bike-hire also on site. No smoking or gays.'

That's what those disagreeing with this decision are advocating. That an advert like that should be legal. You live in the dark ages.





FlarPhone_Warehouse Posted on 18/01/2011 16:03
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what about no dogs? or no stag parties?

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 16:04
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Only when they then sit abroad preaching to us over here, about how we should run this country.
Even though they pay no taxes and should therefore have XXXXXX all say until they do.


superstu Posted on 18/01/2011 16:08
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"Even though they pay no taxes and should therefore have XXXXXX all say until they do."

I'm on a low income and live in an area where we pay the lowest rate of council tax.

That's why I only have teeny tiny opinions.

oooooo Posted on 18/01/2011 16:08
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Ah! So working in a country denotes acceptance of all political ideas that exist in that country. I note that you aren't accusing him of sharing in liberal American values while collecting the 'yankee dollar'.


Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 16:09
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Its true that often the biggest gobs actually do the least [^]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 16:13
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I have as much say as I want. I pay taxes, I'm registered to vote. I don't know what you do, you could be unemployed and receiving benefits, it wouldn't stop your entitlement to having a say, nor should it affect anybody else.

You bigots have enough air time, someone's got to stand against your backward views. Fortunately there's plenty on here in favour of democracy and tolerance, your 18th century views don't stand up to argument.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 16:14
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'Friendly and comfortable B&B located in picturesque Berkshire countryside, within walking distance of some wonderful country walks. Double and twins available, all en-suite with tea and coffee making facilities and fresh towels. Evening meals also available in our homely dining room. Off-street parking, and bike-hire also on site. No smoking or gays.'

That's what those disagreeing with this decision are advocating. That an advert like that should be legal. You live in the dark ages.


Actually it should say gays only allowed in seperate rooms

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 16:15
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Go and tell it to the Klu Klux Klan, its more relevent to you these days.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 16:20
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They're hiding away somewhere. The T Party are the new boys on the block. You'd get on well with them.

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 16:25
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So what percentage of your dollars do you reckon can be connected to the business of some of the rich individuals in the t party?

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 18/01/2011 16:28
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Mido, WTF are you talking about?

Midosparmo Posted on 18/01/2011 16:30
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Im just wondering if CTC is so ethical that his job has no relation to any member of the t party?

robbso Posted on 18/01/2011 16:32
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Do the t party run b&b"s in the States that ban gays?[:O]

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 18/01/2011 16:34
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So you are saying that, just because he lives and works in the US, he is somehow supporting the Tea Party? The seems like a bizarre argument?

oooooo Posted on 18/01/2011 16:35
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mido, you talked about what your point was earlier but you are all over the shop now.

I think the argument "oh yeah but you are in the US so I win" is a bit weak.

"Actually it should say gays only allowed in seperate rooms"

In other words, gays pay double.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 16:39
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'Im just wondering if CTC is so ethical that his job has no relation to any member of the t party?'

I worked with a T Party bloke, we knew each others views very well. He's moved to another company now but we still communicate much the same as we are on here now.

He loved the student demonstrations.

ZippytheHippy Posted on 18/01/2011 16:50
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I suppose my opinion on this is that they were using there house as a business so I guess they must obey the the legislation that is currently in-force. That said you cannot take alcohol into the riverside but you can buy it inside the ground and drunks can be refused entry into public houses.

A number of aspects make me uncomfortable though.

1) After reading a number of articles on this case it looks like they were “set up” by Stonewall.
2) While the homosexual (Sorry GAY still means happy and frivolous to me) couples feelings were no doubt hurt there website clearly indicated that they did not accept any unmarried people in double rooms.
3) It appears that some people are now more equal than others
4) It is impossible to legislate for peoples beliefs in the same way you cannot legislate for what a person thinks.
5) We live in a democracy, we might disagree with people but they have the right to believe what they believe that is what democracy is all about. If you don't like what they believe go elsewhere.
6) This case proves what a complete t!t Ms Harmen is as it is her appallingly bad piece of legislation that has been applied here.

In answer to Razmond_HWDR Rom chp 1:26,27

oooooo Posted on 18/01/2011 16:53
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They were set-up only in the sense that there were reports that they banned gays. The police would do the same to a store that was rumoured to be selling booze under-age, for example.

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 18/01/2011 17:06
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1) who cares if that was the case. What matters is that the issue was raised

2) irrelevant. Just because they were openly advertising that they were breaking the law doesn't make it OK.

3) The judge had to make a decision one way or the other in this case. He simply applied the law.

4) You CAN legislate against people using their religious beliefs as an excuse to discriminate against peoples sexuality or race - especially in a commercial venture.

5) "If you don't like what they believe then go elsewhere." what if they believed that no black people or no Irish should be allowed? That was common place 50 years ago but totally offensive now. Times move on and discrimination against gays in now unacceptable.

6) Politicians of all parties would openly support this verdict - even the Tory party are openly 'pro-gay' now.

robbso Posted on 18/01/2011 17:06
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FFS,i can just see that copper from the Village people casing b&b"s out in case they discriminate against Gays.


LeitrimBoro Posted on 18/01/2011 17:06
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Not come far have we...

Discrimination was more open years ago. I remember being turned a way from a B and B.
The landlord just said "no" to my mother and pointed to the sign.
"No Blacks
No Dogs
No Irish"

Mammy got money out of her purse and showed the cnut. Slammed the door in her face. She broke down. It was a very steep learning curve for a young lad. Some things you never forget.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 17:07
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Unforunately they're still with us, peddling their hate.

ZippytheHippy Posted on 18/01/2011 17:11
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I still think that the legislation is poor and like the Human Rights act it will be abused by those wishing to push an agenda. Which will have a negative effect not a positive one.

ABCD Posted on 18/01/2011 17:25
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Can White policemen/women join the Black Police Officers Federation?

Just wondering like?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 17:26
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'Can Whit policemen/women join the Black Police Federation?'

Only during Whit.

ABCD Posted on 18/01/2011 17:28
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You quick boy i'l give you that. I've applied the edit now[:D]

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 17:30
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I find it strange that they never asked if they were a gay couple before accepting their booking.

Maybe its because if they asked this of everyone who rang up they wouldn't have a business to speak of.

robbso Posted on 18/01/2011 17:33
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What"s even stranger,is that the issue is even deemed news worthy.

red_harrington Posted on 18/01/2011 17:44
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If one of the men didn't want sex that night, would he have had grounds to sue his partner for 'refusing entry'? [;)]

icarus1965 Posted on 18/01/2011 18:14
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so b&b now means

bed and bum sex ??...

if i had a hotel i wouldn,t let them in either...

moxxey Posted on 18/01/2011 19:28
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"It is my opinion that she should have a human right to allow..."

If we followed those rules, we'd live in a wild west state where there were "no rules" and you someone could bar a black couple, an irish couple, a gay couple of anyone who didn't follow their rules.

Think these things through, please.

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 19:47
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Zippy, the words "gay" and as you put it "GAY" are completely different words. Homophones yes, but different meanings and origins. Gay as in happy etc is an adjective, where as "GAY" is an acromyn, stemming from America in the 60's from the statement I'm "Good As You".

redandwhiteblood Posted on 18/01/2011 20:54
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she was wrong, she discriminated, she may be a lovely woman usually, but she has broken the law.

im 16 and can see this.
anyone arguin otherwise is either bigoted, christian, or both.

petedreadnought Posted on 18/01/2011 20:58
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If I didn't know better, I'd say some of the comments on here are wind-ups.

10hickton Posted on 18/01/2011 22:20
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Just because a judge declares they acted illegally does not mean the hoteliers have to apologies ! Interesting to see who will follow suit. They wouldnt get in my hotel !!

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 22:28
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What I find very unsettling on here is the amount of people either for or against who have brought race and terrorism into the argument, the actual argument is, is a b&b landlady allowed to discriminate against homosexuals, i have commented with my opinion and respect the opinion of others but really cannot see the relevance in women getting there noses cut off and terrorists flying planes in to buildings in this argument, most of the worst comments on this thread have been by people who agree with the ruling and that is very worrying

Come_on_Boro Posted on 18/01/2011 22:37
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Agreed. Some of those analogies should remain in the closet.

I think that this is a sad case all round. Sad for the B&B owners and also the subsequent aftermath.

I don't mind what goes on behind closed doors but I won't have it rammed down my throat.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 22:44
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I tend to disagree. Most of the worrying stuff comes from those who are intolerant of others. The judge summed it up correctly.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 22:45
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And you are one of the main ones Matey

petedreadnought Posted on 18/01/2011 22:48
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most of the worst comments on this thread have been by people who agree with the ruling and that is very worrying
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Not the blatant and pathetic homophobia then?

7_The_Informer Posted on 18/01/2011 22:52
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Was back in Blighty for a wedding in September for an old mate from Uni. 2 of us travelled back from the US and we both left our better halves back in the US. The groom booked us a room in the hotel where the reception was along with a mate and his missus who was also an old Uni friend. Me and me mate from the US were sharing a room.

Anyroad, after the service, we were checking in. Me and me mate were in front of the couple and we were causing problems as we wanted to split the room and were both paying with non chip-and-pin credit cards. The receptionist looked at us and said, hmm, can I deal with the other couple first?

At which point I just looked at her and said "Darling, we're not a bl()()dy couple!!". She was quite embarrassed but everyone else in the room were XXXXXXing themselves [:D]

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 22:53
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most of the worst comments on this thread have been by people who agree with the ruling and that is very worrying
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Not the blatant and pathetic homophobia then?

The thing is and i will be slated for this is when they first started there b&b the law was not in place they had the right, they were not classed as being homophobic they prob had never heard the word before, the ruling they have been done on was only passed last year when the Tories realised gay people voted, people have had there views longer than the rules have been placed

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 22:54
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'And you are one of the main ones Matey'

I didn't mention terrorists etc. I guess you bigots don't like being argued with.

No change there then.

petedreadnought Posted on 18/01/2011 22:56
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Hoe does that relate to my comment, wiggler?

I was commenting on your remark that the worst comments on this thread were from those who agreed with the ruling rather than the homophobic remarks.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 22:58
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No but you are a name caller, and yes i have seen you on other threads so quick with the your a racist or a bigot or a homophobe.

you like the old freedom of speach, human rights and other things as long as they agree with you,if they dont everyones a racist you are one of the people this world could do without

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 22:59
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Aye, the world's suffering from over tolerance.

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 22:59
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Would they have let William Hague and his "researcher" share?

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 22:59
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Well we tollerate you

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:01
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Would they have let William Hague and his "researcher" share?

they would now

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 23:01
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You're a star.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:06
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Thanks Mate

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 23:08
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[:X]


petedreadnought Posted on 18/01/2011 23:11
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wiggler, do you feel her right to practice her faith also allows her to discriminate others because of their sexuality?

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:12
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Wanna get a room [:X]

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 23:14
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'The thing is and i will be slated for this is when they first started there b&b the law was not in place they had the right, they were not classed as being homophobic they prob had never heard the word before, the ruling they have been done on was only passed last year when the Tories realised gay people voted, people have had there views longer than the rules have been placed'


So they disliked homosexuals and would not let them stay in their b&b, they didnt ven know the word homosexual(whatever fcuking relevance that has) and now they have to change their bigoted views.

Its no defense to say they had these views when they could get away with them, so they should be able to continue in the same vein.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:16
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Please shut up you utter t1t

OK you got a rise outta me you fanny

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 23:17
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Ignorance of the law is no defence!

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:17
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do you smoke the big fella yourself then

petedreadnought Posted on 18/01/2011 23:18
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Calm down, wiggler.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:20
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Hey i have tried a reasoned response seeing it from both sides, agreeing with different parts of arguments and this is exactly what i was saying, some people are so blinkered they can see no reason

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:20
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Is you smoking it now Mr Wheelbike, is that why you cant talk

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:21
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Is you smoking it real goooooood

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:21
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[:D] god the bless the internet

br14 Posted on 18/01/2011 23:22
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I don't think anyone comes out of this looking good.

The hotelier could have sorted their beliefs by providing a room with a couple of beds. Which ones the gay couple slept in would be up to them. The hoteliers conscience would have been clear since they were not promoting something they didn't believe in.

And the gay couple sound like they were just trying to score points. It may make them feel better but they've simply reinforced intolerance, because the rights of a minority were trampled on - because they could be.

It's one thing to have the right to something. It's another to enforce that right against the wishes of another minority.

This was so easily solved the whole lot of them should have been fined for being complete arseholes.

The whole legal rights thing is a minefield that would have been better left alone.

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:23
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BR14 they were offered single rooms or full refunds they took refunds

br14 Posted on 18/01/2011 23:24
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"now they have to change their bigoted views"

But they haven't changed their views. They now feel like martyrs because they have suffered for their beliefs.

So instead of creating a more tolerant society, what has actually happened is that their intolerance has been reinforced.

Something of a Phyrric victory.

Lefty Posted on 18/01/2011 23:25
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But having forced a decision from the courts, you agree the right one was made, that ones religious beliefs should not trump the law of the land?

br14 Posted on 18/01/2011 23:27
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I've stayed in loads of hotel rooms with mates.

And I'm sure that hotelier has had two blokes stay in rooms before.

It seems likely then that the couple made a show of their homosexuality in order to make a point.

Fair enough. They're entitled by law to do so. But if we all insisted on what we consider our rights the world would be in a constant state of war. Come to think of it, it is.

br14 Posted on 18/01/2011 23:27
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Absolutely. To quote a famous religious individual.

"Pay back Ceasars things to Ceasar, and Gods things to God" (or words to that effect).

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 23:28
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Wiggler, I don't smoke.

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 23:29
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'Please shut up you utter t1t

OK you got a rise outta me you fanny'


Moi?

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:31
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Wiggler, I don't smoke.

Apart from the big fella

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 23:32
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'So instead of creating a more tolerant society, what has actually happened is that their intolerance has been reinforced.'

Expect them to go out of business soon then, or become some famous attraction for homosexual people to come and get holiday
photos taken.



'It seems likely then that the couple made a show of their homosexuality in order to make a point.'


You mean they pranced in holding hands and french kissing in pvc cycling shorts, or that one booked a room for him plus partner, they then turned up and the penny dropped for the religious extremists.


br14 Posted on 18/01/2011 23:35
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"become some famous attraction for homosexual people to come and get holiday photos taken"

You really think that many homosexual people like to make points?

The people I know are pretty reasonable to be honest. I can't imagine my gay friends wanting to stay anywhere they weren't wanted.

Then again, a few had a Dire Straits song banned of Canadian radio so perhaps they do.

I take it you would also support the banning of a clearly homophobic song since you feel so strongly on the subject?

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 23:37
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I'm flattered by your attention Wiggler, but I'm not that way inclined. Not that I would look down on you for being that way, I'm a very tolerant man!

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:37
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You mean they pranced in holding hands and french kissing in pvc cycling shorts, or that one booked a room for him plus partner, they then turned up and the penny dropped for the religious extremists.

Again in all fairness it has been documented that they knew they would not be allowed in there and went to prove a point and i am sure you are not saying gay men ham it up being gay, i am sure that guy from pineapple dance thing is always like that, come on just cos you disagree with the initial problem please dont tell me you are niave enough to think they have not hammed it up

wiggler Posted on 18/01/2011 23:39
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Not tollerant for good god fearing b&b owners

SplendidStuff Posted on 18/01/2011 23:46
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All said and done its a great victory for humanity and progression of tolerance.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/01/2011 23:49
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'god fearing'

Are you stuck in a 1950's black and white film?

squarewheelbike Posted on 18/01/2011 23:50
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"French kissing in PVC cycling shorts"?

That came from your head Wiggler, I think you need to go and lie down. There's a good lad!

petedreadnought Posted on 18/01/2011 23:52
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Then again, a few had a Dire Straits song banned of Canadian radio so perhaps they do.
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By few, you mean one?


I take it you would also support the banning of a clearly homophobic song since you feel so strongly on the subject?
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Why is it homophobic? Because it mentions the word "faggot"?

neworder Posted on 19/01/2011 00:01
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Me thinks some of the lads protesteth too much.

libardi Posted on 19/01/2011 00:48
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Makes me laugh some of the nouveau-pious people on here using the defence of Christianity and religious beliefs as a valid reason to discriminate against a presumably law-abiding couple.

I'll see you all in Church on Sunday lads.

marsked_magician Posted on 19/01/2011 01:03
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I apoligise if someone has said something similar but the thread is too long by now. I think if you own a B&B you have the right to refuse anyone to stay in which is practically your home for whatever reason without explanation...much like a landlord in a pub has the right to refuse anyone at the bar at his pub without explanation.

Not saying I agree with their views but I agree with their right to decide who stays in their home and who does not

smoghead Posted on 19/01/2011 01:10
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Magician its a place of business, which means it is governed by the same laws as those as in a shop or a restaurant. If it had happened in one of those establishments would there be any debate about whether she was right or wrong?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 19/01/2011 01:25
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Bloody homosexuals, always moaning.[rle]

marsked_magician Posted on 19/01/2011 01:28
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i can see your point smoghead but is it not the case that a landlord or landlady can refuse to serve anyone without explanation?

I'm just wondering what the difference is, and what the difference is between the "place of business" and "a family business"

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 19/01/2011 06:08
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Looks like the whole thing was a sting by the Peter Tatchell brigade.

Good comment from one of the posters: "What a very sad, pathetic and very bigoted couple they are. And I mean the couple who seems to actively seek to be offended and then make a huge song and dance about it. If these pathetic people think they are doing their so called cause any favours they aren't ! They need to grow some thicker skins and get a proper life. It is people like them that are the bigots. They DEMAND that people accept they lifestyle and life choices yet when it comes to showing tolerance to other peoples beliefs and life choices they show none. Your typical Nu Labour equality and diversity candidates!"



Link: Mail

petedreadnought Posted on 19/01/2011 06:25
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i can see your point smoghead but is it not the case that a landlord or landlady can refuse to serve anyone without explanation?
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But they tried to use their faith as an excuse for their bigotry, as if being Catholics somehow allows them to discriminate against homosexuals.

Does Catholicism actually preach that homosexuality is wrong?

You only need read the ridiculous soundbites Mrs Bull is coming out with to see what a complete idiot she is: "Now some people are more equal than others". Interesting, I wonder if she thinks gay men are equal to her?

moxxey Posted on 19/01/2011 07:31
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Are you guys still discussing this?

I see the grand old Daily Mail has been quoted as a source of truth.

Lefty Posted on 19/01/2011 10:13
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Bernie, are you in favour of someone's religious beliefs being able to override the law of the land?

speckyget Posted on 19/01/2011 10:20
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It's not a religious belief, it's a personal prejudice. I do like the way that the default bleat of the bigotted nowadays is to cry 'bigot'. It's like jujitsu for knuckledraggers.

Miklaadt Posted on 19/01/2011 10:59
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How many nights did they want to stay for?

zzzzz Posted on 19/01/2011 11:03
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"I do like the way that the default bleat of the bigotted nowadays is to cry 'bigot'."

Are you crying 'bigot' there?

speckyget Posted on 19/01/2011 11:08
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God, it's like Rain Man without the sums.

The_263 Posted on 19/01/2011 11:10
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My mum used to say, "2 wrongs don't make a right"

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 19/01/2011 11:12
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"Bernie, are you in favour of someone's religious beliefs being able to override the law of the land?"

No, im in favour of our laws respecting Christian morals and values. The Queen is the head of state AND the Church of England, yet her parliament comes up with laws that discriminate against those who follow the churches teachings.

billdoor Posted on 19/01/2011 11:15
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Bernie, are you suggesting then that homosexuality should be made illegal to fit in with Christian values?

LeitrimBoro Posted on 19/01/2011 11:17
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"No, im in favour of our laws respecting Christian morals and values. "

Just those laws then ??
Did not know you could pick and choose.

Lefty Posted on 19/01/2011 11:29
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'No, im in favour of our laws respecting Christian morals and values. The Queen is the head of state AND the Church of England, yet her parliament comes up with laws that discriminate against those who follow the churches teachings.'

What is the official C of E position on homosexuality, Bernie?




speckyget Posted on 19/01/2011 11:38
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"Any words that could make it easier for someone to attack or abuse a homosexual person are words of which we must repent."

Who said that Bernie? Hint: not Ian Paisley.

LeitrimBoro Posted on 19/01/2011 11:41
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I blame the binmen

RedcarTS10 Posted on 19/01/2011 12:31
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The Christian Scriptures, in their original Greek form do not contain any clear references to consensual homosexuality within a committed relationship, and certainly do not contain any unambiguous condemnation of gay and lesbian sexual activity.
However, after having been filtered through the belief systems of the translators, many English versions of the Bible clearly condemn homosexual behavior.
Now that the famous "anti-homosexual" passages of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Romans 1:18 have been so long identified as being critical of homosexual activity, it would be impossible for Bible translators to offer alternative explanations; their Bible wouldn't sell.

pjonesy Posted on 19/01/2011 12:49
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Bernie_is_Banned-

I take it you know little of how our Parliamentary system works then? Or the history behind how it has evolved over many centuries?

What if the Queen suddenly converted to Judaism? Do you think she would be able to just completely change existing legislation?

My humble suggestion is that you read something (or indeed anything)other than the Daily Mail. You have not the faintest clue about anything yet constantly shout the loudest about every single topic.

superstu Posted on 19/01/2011 12:50
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"Mohamed Al-Hakim, 29, allegedly phoned Alya Al-Safar to tell her she must die because of the ‘shame’ she had brought – leaving her too afraid to leave the house.

He had already branded her family ‘bitches and whores’ because of her decision, the court heard."

Story for anyone championing the hoteliers rights to practice a bit of hate and guise it as a religious choice.


Link: But it's their religion!

Dibzzz Posted on 19/01/2011 12:56
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'Gay couple win compensation.'

Shouldn't that be?
'Gay couple with constipation.'

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 19/01/2011 14:39
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It's interesting to note that Jesus Christ never mentioned homosexuality. The homophobic element in Cristianity was added later by others, thus perverting the teachings of Christ.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 14:41
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'It's interesting to note that Jesus Christ never mentioned homosexuality'

it didnt exist when he was around, fact.

Dibzzz Posted on 19/01/2011 14:42
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Well he did spend a lot of time with 12 other blokes,,,,,not that I'm saying owt.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 14:45
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and a prossy ... ?


i've seen da vinci code ffs

Billy_Ashcrofts_Pants Posted on 19/01/2011 14:46
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Next thing you know there will be equal rights for ginger people... this world has gone to rack and ruin - in the eyes of a committed non-ginger Catholic Muslim Taoist fundamentalist cafe owner [^]

Kevlar Posted on 19/01/2011 14:48
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It is simple. If you wish to hold Bigoted views, backed by religion or otherwise, then that is your choice. However, if you would like to start/run a business then you cannot discriminate against anyone based on race, religion, disability or sexual orientation.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 19/01/2011 14:48
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"it didnt exist when he was around, fact."

Er.... history not a strong point then?

(I hope your kidding)

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 14:49
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i once saw a muslim with a ginger beard.

Thats got to be worth something in eye spy.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 14:53
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'It is simple. If you wish to hold Bigoted views, backed by religion or otherwise, then that is your choice. However, if you would like to start/run a business then you cannot discriminate against anyone based on race, religion, disability or sexual orientation'

so selling christmas cake which be referring to a christian festival is discriminating against other religions, you see that as wrong?

same with Easter Eggs, another chrsitian festival.

These things should not be sold by a business because they discriminate against other religions?

Or are they ok because they celebrate the religion of the country - christianity?

footyteam Posted on 19/01/2011 14:57
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Law is law, u cant work a country round something make believe. Unless Christmas errrr

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 19/01/2011 14:57
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Suggesting that homosexuality didn't exist at the time of Jesus is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard.

squarewheelbike Posted on 19/01/2011 14:59
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Midwinter festivals and Easter were around long before Christianity.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 15:00
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'Midwinter festivals '

christmas is the celebration of christ.

so my example of a business selling a christmas cake is about that religious celebration not about a pagan celebration before christmas.

smoghead Posted on 19/01/2011 15:34
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razmond that example you have given is a joke [V]

your not forcing anyone to adhere to anything in that example. Nobody is forced to buy or not to buy things.

Its only if you prevented someone from buying the eggs or the cake because of their race/religion etc would this be the same.

squarewheelbike Posted on 19/01/2011 15:36
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Just about all "pagen" societies had a midwinter festival, Christmas was just convenient for the Christians, and it stuck.

superstu Posted on 19/01/2011 15:40
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Do Tesco and ASDA not allow ethnic minorities to buy easter eggs then? Do you have to say a prayer for baby Jesus when you get to the till to buy a Christmas cake? Is Razmond_HWDR talking utter guff on purpose to wind people up? In short; no, no and hopefully yes.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 15:40
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smoghead no one forced these people to go to this specific b&b.

no force.

its about respect the values of the religion of this country, thats all.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 19/01/2011 15:44
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"the values of the religion of this country"

If those are the values of this country, why don't the laws reflect said values?

Theres a very simple answer.

Also seriously Raz, do you believe homosexuality is a post Jesus thing?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 15:45
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do you believe in Jesus Christ?

squarewheelbike Posted on 19/01/2011 15:47
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Raz, this country is secular, did the B&B owners make it clear that same sex couples could not share a room? No! Did they break the law? Yes!

TheSmogMonster Posted on 19/01/2011 15:48
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"do you believe in Jesus Christ?"

Answer my questions and I'll answer yours.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 15:50
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'do you believe homosexuality is a post Jesus thing?'

i dont believe in Jesus Christ

ya see.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 19/01/2011 15:52
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Ok I'll rephrase because you're trying to be a smart a**e.

Do you believe that at the time Jesus allegedly walked the earth homosexuality wasn't around?

Do you understand why Christian values are not enshrined in law?

speckyget Posted on 19/01/2011 15:54
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SWB, I'd recommend bashing yourself in the face with a claw hammer. Far less irksome and more productive than a discourse with razamundo.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 15:55
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'Do you believe that at the time Jesus allegedly walked the earth homosexuality wasn't around?'

are YOU being sarcastic now?


i understand why religion cannot dictate policy, i know why in some countries 2 laws are set out for things and they cope are then able to cope (e.g. French Canada)

number9 Posted on 19/01/2011 15:56
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Tell you what Smogmonster i'l answer it for you..

Jesus was a Jew (not a christian). He followed the Mosiac Law in fact he fullfilled it. Now i'm not here to give you lessons on scripture but I reckon someone with your intelligence can work out the answer to your own question?

Lev 18:22 should give you a clue

squarewheelbike Posted on 19/01/2011 15:57
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Specky, I've actually agreed with him on another thread!

TheSmogMonster Posted on 19/01/2011 16:02
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number9 someone with your intelligence should realise that what I'm trying to point out to raz, painfully is that his earlier assertion that homosexuality wasn't around at the time of Jesus Christ (whether you believe in him or not) is frankly insane.

I was questioning whether he actually meant it seriously and it's still impossible to tell because he's trying so hard to be clever which seems to becoming a theme...

speckyget Posted on 19/01/2011 16:02
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Then you're beyond the help of mortal men.

number9 Posted on 19/01/2011 16:03
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Appols TheSmogMonster mis-read your post DUH[|)]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 16:03
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IT WAS A JOKE.

unless you mean the term 'homosexuality', maybe that wasnt around.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 16:04
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i remember the days when 'gay' meant 'cheerful'.

TheSmogMonster Posted on 19/01/2011 16:06
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No worries number9.

Raz, apologies I should have worked on the assumption that everything you post is some kind of joke.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 16:07
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do that.... unless i'm being serious

kernaghanscodpiece Posted on 19/01/2011 16:09
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Raz, why are you posting on this thread?

TheSmogMonster Posted on 19/01/2011 16:10
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I don't think you realise how hard it is to tell over the internet.....

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 16:10
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because.... errr.... i had a point.... and it was a great point... but i forget it now.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 19/01/2011 16:12
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thats my downfall my Achilles heal