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Rufus_vel_Mortuus Posted on 08/01/2011 18:01
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It wasn't a flare - it was a smoke canister.

It was thrown on the pitch by someone who was not apart of the 'antics' as it rolled near their feet and they didn't know what to do, didnt want it near him, didnt want to throw it to his right (into the Boro crowd) and didnt want to throw it to his left (into the Boro crowd) so threw it over the advertising board to keep it away from both himself and the other fans.

Wasn't thrown at the goalkeeper or the pitch.

That is all.

1finny Posted on 08/01/2011 18:02
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We don't want the truth.
We want lies and everyone who was there has to carry the blame and should be banned [:D]

monkeyman Posted on 08/01/2011 18:03
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So it was you who threw it then? [?][:O]

Holgatewall Posted on 08/01/2011 18:04
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Glad that's been cleared up.[^]

sounds like a comedy episode from dads army.

1finny Posted on 08/01/2011 18:05
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The person who through it also has a Tesco Pizza and a single sock from the Bristol area - you'll never catch em [;)]

acklam_lad Posted on 08/01/2011 18:07
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How dare you come on here and speak the truth of what happened. This was another thing for them to bash Red Faction with! They will have to find something else to whinge about them now...

junouk Posted on 08/01/2011 19:15
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I hope who ever took the smoke and flares in the ground were caught and should have at least a three year banning order.

I hope they were not part of the RF as I would not want this stupidity put down to a group of fans who have been supporting the club very well over the past 3 seasons.

RF get blamed for everything negative by the club and it is not always them, so hopefully they can distance themselves ASAP

I was sat in the seats and it's the first time I have ever heard boro fans booing there own fans. Even the players were stood shaking there heads.


RedcarBlock53 Posted on 08/01/2011 19:18
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Instead of the usual booing of the players i assume? Some fans support, some enjoy a whinge.

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 08/01/2011 19:24
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'Rolled to his feet', what, was it being passed around our fans or something.

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 08/01/2011 19:28
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It was Lamb.



Fact.

mjt2 Posted on 08/01/2011 19:35
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I thought it looked XXXXXXing class the i have been to the last 2 away games preston and leeds aqnd the fans are class diddnt stop singing for the hole game. Imagin if they got 1 out at the riverside, u cant fart with being told off thats why no one goes its XXXXXX

byrno Posted on 08/01/2011 19:39
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Threw

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 08/01/2011 19:42
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When will the idiots on here realise that most people aren't complaining that smoke canisters/flares where in the ground, just that it ended up on the pitch. If your going to use one how can it end up on the pitch or being kicked around the stand.

Obviously people cannot be trusted. Shame on them[V]

junouk Posted on 08/01/2011 19:43
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No one near me was booing the players. I would not and have never booed the players. Not even today.

The game was a disappointment and the fans with flares, smoke bombs were just as disappointing. All in all a bad and embarrassing day to be a boro fan.

I a, sure the team will bounce back tho. At least newcastle and Sunderland also got a knocked out, so we will have another season of watching the skunks win nothing :)

gravyboat Posted on 08/01/2011 19:44
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'a three year banning order'

FFS.

slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 08/01/2011 19:54
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'a three year banning order'

you boring old fart!

byrno Posted on 08/01/2011 19:56
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Were

skiprat Posted on 08/01/2011 19:58
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Juno, that's an incredibly silly view on it.

Holgatewall Posted on 08/01/2011 20:05
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Newcastle and Sunderland got knocked out so that means it doesn't matter about Boro getting knocked out!!!.

I've heard it all now.

Buddy Posted on 08/01/2011 21:12
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I'm complaining about smoke and flares in the stand, if that's any help. It's ridiculous to have stuff like that in a confined space.

stuar_tripley Posted on 08/01/2011 21:19
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I was to the left of those setting off the flares/ smoke cannisters and thought it was idiotic, irresponsible, immature and dangerous. What on earth were they trying to prove?! I bet they felt like right dicks at the final whistle, the east staffs constabulary have it all on candid camera too.

Buddy Posted on 08/01/2011 21:24
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Think it was Cleveland actually trippers...

mark5593 Posted on 08/01/2011 21:24
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It was Red faction that took them in, so if the red faction had not taken them in the bloke wouldnt have got uncomfortable around it and thrown one on the pitch, correct? What if he had asthma or breathing problems? Thought about that one? didnt think you had. Bunch of idle school kids who acted without considering consequences. and before you tell me there is in fact a few members of red faction over the age of 20, i personally think they should start acting it!

billdoor Posted on 08/01/2011 21:26
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But you don't understand, it's a proper ultra thing!

Actually I was at the other end of the stand and it looked alright.

BobendBob Posted on 08/01/2011 21:27
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XXXXXX off, dangerous they were XXXXXXy flares and for me added a bit of atmosphere and colour to the Boro end. Full marks to the lads who had them.

Up the Boro

mark5593 Posted on 08/01/2011 21:30
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Oh yes silly me how could I forget, fuq people with asthma who have nothing to do with flares and are there to watch the match. Just as long as these kids get to look like the italian ultras there mams let them stay up late to watch on danny dyers fotball factories. Thats all that matters. Not the health of fellow boro fans.

stuar_tripley Posted on 08/01/2011 21:31
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sorry, I didn't realise you were a fire safety expert??! It's only 26 years since Bradford you ignorant imbecile.

mark5593 Posted on 08/01/2011 21:35
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Not for one second am i denying they looked good. Cant believe your telling me theyre not dangerous to someone with a breathing difficulty. I was on the far right of the stand and was caughing like fuq! and I class myself as a young, reasonably healthy lad. Feel sorry for the older/younger people in that stand who are less healthy or dont have the lung capacity (if thats the right thing to call it?) to deal with the amount of smoke. But you wont care just as long as it made you lot feel like a real ultra for 5 minutes. Idle prick

BobendBob Posted on 08/01/2011 21:43
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Was idle prick meant for me???? I was stood to the right and the smoke wasn't that bad. How much do you lot over exagerate.

mark5593 Posted on 08/01/2011 21:48
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Obviously bad enough for a bloke to feel the need to throw the canister on the pitch! And no Im not a safety nut at all, however to young to remember valley parade 26 years ago. Wasnt even born then

whitbyboro1986 Posted on 08/01/2011 21:59
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My coat still stinks of the bloody smoke[:(!]

mark5593 Posted on 08/01/2011 22:06
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Haha should be thankfull that a smelly coat was the worst of your troubles really. Im presuming its wasnt a few hundred pounds worth of jacket, likea stone island or C.P company? cos then you would have been fuming and rightly so. I would have suggested you settle your problems with the red faction but theyd probably only try and wet willy you or something else thats the rage in the school playground

whitbyboro1986 Posted on 08/01/2011 22:10
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North Face,hundred quids worth! Nowt abit of Febreese wont sort out.[:P]

free_pint Posted on 08/01/2011 22:13
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Lads, for XXXXXXs sake. Really? Have a laugh enjoy life. It brought some life to the stand enjoy it! Don't try and make the worst out of everything!

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 08/01/2011 22:27
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I understand the h&s issues, but I thought the flares were excellent, and the young kids where I was standing loved it!

norfolkred1 Posted on 08/01/2011 23:40
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I was stood to the left of it, got in my eyes and in my throat, didn't stop me and a vast ammount of the Boro lads singing and dancing as per the You tube vid. I remember setting off white smoke in the Bob End years ago, nobody died or was injured.

SplendidStuff Posted on 09/01/2011 00:01
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Whilst i can appreciate people thinking it looked good, it is a hazard.

If there was a fire or someone collapsed etc smoke could really inhibit the resolution.

Its against ground rules and rightly so, how the fcuk do you watch a match with that shiit going off.

dodger Posted on 09/01/2011 00:15
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Took me back 30 years , great fun , more please [^]

buttermyarse Posted on 09/01/2011 00:19
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Whilst i can appreciate people thinking it looked good, it is a hazard.

If there was a fire or someone collapsed etc smoke could really inhibit the resolution.

Its against ground rules and rightly so, how the fcuk do you watch a match with that shiit going off.


You sound like Keith Lard..Get a grip[rle].Elf and safety gone mad



Link: Burn Baby Burn

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 00:22
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Watch that tica-tape that was thrown at kick off might get in your eye or give you a paper cut. The ground is concrete and aluminium roofing. We were not frisked before the match so they got in with the flares, naughty boys, but it happened so lets get on with life, we will be in the papers for the wrong reasons again.

oooooo Posted on 09/01/2011 00:40
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I'd be amazed if it got a mention anywhere, especially given that in the Newcastle game a fan ran on the pitch at the end and punched a player.

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 00:42
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0000000 heard the game on the way back, who got punched!!

redhead1 Posted on 09/01/2011 00:44
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Despite being a responsible adult I will still say well done to the Boro fans behind the goal who gave their all in driving the team forward today.
I have no problem with the flares at all.
In fact I used to wear them myself once.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/01/2011 00:46
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Brilliant idea, there should be more smoke canisters in the ground.[^]

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 00:48
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Sarcy git Lizzy

oooooo Posted on 09/01/2011 00:49
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It was a Stevenage player who got punched, according to this article by a Stevenage fan but a scarf seems like a flimsy disguise!


Link: Link

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 00:52
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Why on Earth would a Stevenage fan do that, no logic at all, unless it's personal

Lisbonlegend Posted on 09/01/2011 00:56
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I thought it looked good, would have been better had we won mind,[B)]

lockey Posted on 09/01/2011 01:37
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whether it looked good or not it was a stupid thing to do, no doubt the club will have to pay a fine for the crowd trouble caused by the flares, which is money we dont have.

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 01:46
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Er crowd trouble, and what crowd trouble was that then!!

STEEL_CITY_SMOGGY Posted on 09/01/2011 01:49
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RVM full of XXXXXXe!!

STEEL_CITY_SMOGGY Posted on 09/01/2011 01:54
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Quality flare, shame about the shower of XXXXXXe!!!

Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 09/01/2011 02:31
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The opening post from Rufus is clearly bull shyte. In the other thread there is a video that shows the smoke canister being thrown towards their keeper from the middle of the terrace.

Safety aside I hope that the person who thought it would be a good idea to throw a smoke canister onto the pitch towards the opponents keeper is found and prosecuted. Absolute vvanker

shaunb86 Posted on 09/01/2011 02:43
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jesus wept some of our fans are wet!

it was a flare for god sake not a bomb. it was a laugh, looked good and didnt cause any injuries. what has this country turned into. a place full of health and safety freaks.

STEEL_CITY_SMOGGY Posted on 09/01/2011 03:21
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Spot on Shaun86 [^]


marsked_magician Posted on 09/01/2011 03:52
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Can anyone tell me why flares look good? As soon as I see one I just think of Italian hooliganism, it doesnt create atmosphere and it doesnt look spectacular.

Quite blatently whoever threw it onto the pitch thought he was a right clever cvnt bringing whatever it was into the ground but all it did was tarnish the fan's reputation

Shame on you

STEEL_CITY_SMOGGY Posted on 09/01/2011 08:05
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FFS have you heard yourself son, get a grip

archienoeyes Posted on 09/01/2011 08:36
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Steel city [^]

We watched the game live in york on a dodgy channel and to be honest it looked brilliant watching it i am all for them as long as no one gets daft with it then let it continue

sixtyniner69 Posted on 09/01/2011 08:36
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just another reason why H&S will not allow terraces back to the riverside[rle]


Buddy Posted on 09/01/2011 09:00
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Them whacking great rockets they use on Bonfire Night look good as well, but they've got no place in a small steel shed.

r00fie Posted on 09/01/2011 09:13
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Oh sure. The seats at the Riverside prevented any trouble between Leeds and Boro fans didnt it[cr] Bollix[V]

junouk Posted on 09/01/2011 12:09
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As I said early in the thread I thought the flares were a bigger embarrassment to the club, the fans and the players than the result.

Once again a few kids try to bring the club down and highlight our team to the press for the wrong reasons.

IMO these flares, smoke bombs are not needed in the game or on the terraces, as for thorowing them on the pitch WTF. I accept who ever throw it might not have been involved it's who ever brought it in the ground.

I have not seen anything from RF to distance themselves from this but I may have missed that thread. I really hope it was not them, as I have fully supported them in the past and spoke to the club about the way they victimise these fans.

This is the type of stuff MFC needs to avoid and RF need to distance themselves from.


norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 12:22
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The players could have done with a rocket up their ass after the game...Nothing from Rob and MFC regarding the incident

lockey Posted on 09/01/2011 14:26
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The most disappointing thing about the incident was that non of them tried to go out and help there mate out. ive read on here and on there own board that they were all for one and 1 for all numerous times.yet i was the only one to try and get the lad back in....

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 14:41
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not exactly much you can do when they get taken out holding a flare you div

lockey Posted on 09/01/2011 14:46
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Dont talk to me like that mate.

Not one of them that were took out were took out with anything in there hands.

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 14:48
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erm yes they were thats why all the lads went out without a fuss, there was no denying what they had done. You DIVVY

Fletcherr Posted on 09/01/2011 15:10
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Woodgate, lockeys right you divvy!

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 15:11
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obviously not when they were out mate, but when our lads got grabbed i know for a fact one of them still had a flare in his han cause it nearly took my eye out

lockey Posted on 09/01/2011 15:14
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No they weren't at all. i followed the drummer out he had nothing in his hand, infact the steward only came for him once the smoke had and flare was on the floor. "DIVVY" am i, ive had more than enough arguments with RF members past and present yet i was the one who tried to help out.

squarewheelbike Posted on 09/01/2011 15:16
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Elderly fan died at Wales Romania WC qualifier in '93, when fans set off a distress rocket that flew across the ground and hit him in the chest. So yes people have died!

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 15:16
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yeah mate, but fletcherr didnt do a flare, i actually couldn't tell you why he was taken out, but he went along with the police, and did himself a favour by going quietly

and square wheel a distress rockets a fvcking stupid thing to let off, people will definetly get hurt using them

lockey Posted on 09/01/2011 15:19
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So thats exactly my point he didn't do a flare yet you stood there and watch him get took out, the steward was shotting him all over the place, yet you stood still and watched. Yes im the DIVVY

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 15:22
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On a personal note lockey, i didn't know fletcherr had been taken out until he had gone completly,it was a shock to me

squarewheelbike Posted on 09/01/2011 15:23
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Trouble is, people do, dosome really stupid things, without having a clue what they're are doing. That and the rise of compensation culture are to blame for the situation, not "H&S jobsworths".

Fletcherr Posted on 09/01/2011 15:35
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square that was a rocket not a f%cking flare!

And woodgate leave it ffs! he tried helping us!!

squarewheelbike Posted on 09/01/2011 15:55
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I'm a qualified pyrotechnician, and have spent the last 4 years at sea on passenger ships, and have a lot of training in use, transport and storage of marine distress flares. In the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are doing, then yes they are very dangerous.

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 09/01/2011 15:56
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The lads holding them were all trained professsionals

squarewheelbike Posted on 09/01/2011 15:58
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Of course they were, and hadn't been drinking either!

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 09/01/2011 16:00
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It was touch or go whether they'd receive their handling certificates in time for the game.

mark5593 Posted on 09/01/2011 16:26
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absolute bullsh!t dan_ashcroft

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 09/01/2011 16:44
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Look do you think they'd have been allowed to take the flares into the ground, if they didn't have the necessary training and valid paperwork? If they were drunk that only goes to prove how skilled they are.

squarewheelbike Posted on 09/01/2011 16:46
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How did they transport them to the ground? In their pockets one would presume, now that is really really stupid!

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 09/01/2011 16:52
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They're only xl sparklers

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 16:55
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Presumption is the path to the dark side, presumption leads to snobbery, snobbery leads to envy, envy leads to suffering!

Dan_Ashcroft Posted on 09/01/2011 16:58
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Throwing a smoke cannister onto the pitch leads to a three year banning order

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 17:02
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well whoever threw it on the pitch was stood at the front of the terrace, away from where the flares were lit

PaulLeGuen Posted on 09/01/2011 17:12
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It was selfish and stupid and dangerous. In fact on this thread a RF core member ststes that one nearly had his eye out. What did it gain? The atmosphere was good anyway.

The RF ethos was blown apart when the members didn't follow the idiots who were taken out.

mark5593 Posted on 09/01/2011 17:15
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they sneaked them in, in their socks. you must be a wind up dan_ashcroft. bell end

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 09/01/2011 17:17
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incorrect. A video which has conveniently been took off youtube clearly shows the flare being thrown from the middle of the terrace.

free_pint Posted on 09/01/2011 17:22
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I actually tried to stop Fletch being taken out and was pushed in the chest by 2 stewards. Nothing I could about the others as most people had parted and they were just grabbed.

PaulLeGuen Posted on 09/01/2011 17:29
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why didn't you walk out with him. 1 out and all that as rf have said many times?

lockey Posted on 09/01/2011 17:31
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Exactly what my earlier post was about plg

free_pint Posted on 09/01/2011 17:33
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I couldn't get past to get out, they wouldn't let me threw door was plugged full of Stewards and fans couldn't get past.

Thankfully he got back ok and we had regular contact with them whilst they were detained.

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 17:34
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put yourselves in the position next time then guys, lockey sorry for earlier, i didnt read everything properly[V] but tbh lads, theres not much we could do, if we'd have all gone out lads would have been arreseted for fck all

PaulLeGuen Posted on 09/01/2011 17:39
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not true. if someone wants to leave the ground then they can.

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 17:40
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obviously PLG it isnt an arrestable offence but our whole group were pinpointed by the coppers, even though there was lads with us who wernt RF and hadnt even done anything "illegal"

lockey Posted on 09/01/2011 17:41
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Free_pint - seems a bit odd them not letting you through yet i strolled straight past them!

PaulLeGuen Posted on 09/01/2011 17:51
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all words and no back up. ethos in in shreds

Holgatewall Posted on 09/01/2011 17:54
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Could it be that RF are now kept under surveillance by the Police and MFC and this is shared with the club they are visiting?

That would account for being pipointed by their stewards.

Woodgate Posted on 09/01/2011 17:54
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PLG, your a fecking wind up merchant thats sole goal in life is to annoy RF members and people who support the group. Shame youhavn't been to a game in 2 years

Chris_From_Pitchside Posted on 09/01/2011 17:54
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I thought the flares looked class.

free_pint Posted on 09/01/2011 17:58
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Well lockey they didn't let me through and pushed me back. When I questioned why he'd been took out they said 'mind your own XXXXXXing business' and pushed me back.

PaulLeGuen Posted on 09/01/2011 17:59
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of course woodgate, you know best. [:X]

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/01/2011 18:23
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I still had a flare in my hand on the concourse behind the terrace, that`s where it was removed from my hand.

Hope that settles an unecassary* discussion.


norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 18:27
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Are you getting charged Redcar, just out of intrest

lockey Posted on 09/01/2011 18:29
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Looks like your the "DIVVY" then for not dropping it like the rest of them.

Arthur_Horsfield66 Posted on 09/01/2011 18:33
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Absolute loonies.

They made a premeditated decision to take these flares into the ground.

No ifs or buts a 3 year ban is the least they should expect. Anyone lighting up a fag at the RS is banned automatically.

They put other peoples lives at risk. It went on the pitch when Boro were on the attack with Burton stretched. We might have scored if wasn't for these morons!

Fletcherr Posted on 09/01/2011 18:40
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Don't know yet

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 18:45
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Any ideas what the lads are getting done with, Inciting a riot or a H+S Saftey murlarky. I was done in 1980, yes that many years ago, for obstruction the Public highway in Manchester when the Boro played the Mancs, daft charge but it stuck and ended up in court. Take it on the chin....

junouk Posted on 09/01/2011 18:52
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So it was red faction .[V]

I am gutted for everyone associated with this group of fans.

MFC have often said the RF would be a problem, maybe they were [|)]

Early march would be a bonus, I know plenty of lads that have 3year banning orders for just going to the match having had a pint to much.
If that's the only ban you get fletch you are a lucky man.

Buddy Posted on 09/01/2011 18:54
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"Could it be that RF are now kept under surveillance by the Police and MFC and this is shared with the club they are visiting?

That would account for being pipointed by their stewards."

I think the police doing the filming were from Cleveland.

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 18:58
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The pride of Cleveland were there, the popped into the Beeches and spoke to a few people they knew. Sawcthem in the Boro end after the incident

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:06
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Yes Norfolk I am being charged.

3 months bail as it stands with the restriction of not being able to attend any live sporting events in England and Wales.

Go back to Burton on 10th March to face the full charge.

I`ll take it on the chin but it won`t stop me supporting the Boro.

Just as a side note, I pre warned people around me that I was going to let one off, so they where fully aware of my actions. That`s not to deflect any blame levied at me btw.
Also I wasn`t drunk or on drugs.....I was totally sober and totally aware of my surroundings.

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:12
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Thats you out of the pool and darts team then

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:14
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They aren`t sports are they [:P]

junouk Posted on 09/01/2011 19:16
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Ts10

Why would you take a flare in to the ground? You knew you would get a banning order for a number of years.

I can understand it if you wanted an excuse not to another match but it's a bit extreme.


Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 09/01/2011 19:19
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Woodgate said:

"well whoever threw it on the pitch was stood at the front of the terrace, away from where the flares were lit "

Except you're lying aren't you?

There was a video that was posted on youtube clearly showing the smoke canister being thrown onto the pitch from the mid-back of the terrace.

free_pint Posted on 09/01/2011 19:23
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Emerson- Yeah woody is slightly wrong with that. What happened was the smoke was on the floor after the stewards had knocked it towards the lad he then threw it in panic. He got chucked out I think.

He wasn't RF just someone stood near, who panicked.

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 09/01/2011 19:24
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Not quite sure about this.
You let off flares, did you know that you could get a banning order.
Can't support the team with a banning order[:(]
I'm all for flares if they were allowed but its seems like it's not worth the trouble.

PaulLeGuen Posted on 09/01/2011 19:25
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rubbish

free_pint Posted on 09/01/2011 19:26
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No-one knew fully what to expect. Like I've said there isn't any 'no flares' signs at the ground. So technically nothing wrong with them being in there.

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:26
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Junouk.....influenced by european tifo and pyro ( not Italian but Greek and German mainly ), wanted to bring that experience here. I`ll take the 3 years on the chin like I said, it`s not the end of the world and have plenty of years left in me yet supporting MFC.

Unfortunately I don`t make the rules so I have to accept the ban fully. Shame we can`t have a european mentality, it seems we are forced to in other areas but not in this case.

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:27
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Can still support by buying replica shirts ect

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:28
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But you cannot look at the ground

mark5593 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:32
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except you dont buy shirts etc. do you ts10 cos you were one of the core members that encouraged people not to wear them? bunch of bellends the majority of that group

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 09/01/2011 19:33
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TBF i think it does say no flares on the signs out side the riverside. The ones which say no flags, umbrellas, darts, knifes etc.[8D]

free_pint Posted on 09/01/2011 19:34
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Game wasn't at the riverside though was it[8D]

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 09/01/2011 19:40
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Really[?]

LucyBit Posted on 09/01/2011 19:42
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I see the Celtic fans had a flare at their match today. Looked class as did ours yesterday. I bet their fans ain't whining on like some of the fannies on here.

UTB

free_pint Posted on 09/01/2011 19:43
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Doriva- That makes you wrong. Comprende?

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:44
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lol Mark.

Yes I do buy replica shirts but don`t wear them to the match.

No I don`t encourage people not to wear them, infact I challenged that statement when I joined Red Faction.

And then we have the usuall insult to round a post off......exceptional.

gravyboat Posted on 09/01/2011 19:47
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Is it really a 3 year ban?

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:50
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Other similar cases have had that sentence delivered.

minimum 2, maximum 5 for this type of offence.

gravyboat Posted on 09/01/2011 19:52
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Oh. You'll have to start going in fancy dress.

junouk Posted on 09/01/2011 19:53
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I can accept that argument about bringing European football in to the boro. But let's be honest, you can't smoke in the ground, how did Yalu think you could get away with a flare. I got asked to move as my pint was over looking the playing surface yesterday so they were not some back street club.

Football in this day and age, love it or hate it no ground would ever let you do that.

In a standing area you could never have got away with it. We were the big club......

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 19:54
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Mug Roary in the car park[^]

free_pint Posted on 09/01/2011 19:59
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Juno- Get away with it in Reserve games!

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/01/2011 20:02
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Not for one moment did I think I`d get away with it Juno.


junouk Posted on 09/01/2011 20:06
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Maybe at reserve games, but not seen it at synthonia myself.

I thought it embarrassed the club and the fans yesterday.




Jon77 Posted on 09/01/2011 20:08
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RedcarTS10, fair play to you for trying to create a special atmosphere.

I was there yesterday but stood on the far left. Had a feeling you RF boys would be behind the goal and had a feeling something would be planned.

A calm head and a bit of forward thinking and you would surely have got away with it though. There was safety in numbers to be had even with the Police camcording the fans. Why did you go out the back of the stand and keep hold of the thing?

You seem to be taking it in the right attitude anyway. Like you say take it on the chin don't advise on anyone else involved and take what comes [^]

junouk Posted on 09/01/2011 20:10
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Redcar explain why then? Just curious.

I knw the football this season has been crap but no need to get a huge banning order. If you dont want to go tell your mates your not going. It's easier than being banned [;)].

Buddy Posted on 09/01/2011 20:16
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"No-one knew fully what to expect. Like I've said there isn't any 'no flares' signs at the ground. So technically nothing wrong with them being in there."

It doesn't say "no tigers" or "no depleted uranium" either.

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/01/2011 20:16
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Sorry to hear that Juno, was never meant to have that effect.

Thank you Jon.

I don`t believe in hiding the truth when it`s plain to see. I was willing to take the knock that I`ll recieve.
As for going out the back of the stand....I had no choice fella, that`s where the police led me.

RedcarTS10 Posted on 09/01/2011 20:28
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haha Juno.

Wanted people to get a little taste of what it`s like abroad where these kind of things are allowed on a weekly basis. It may or may not open peoples eyes to what it would be like.
I thought I`d give people a little taste.





Buddy Posted on 09/01/2011 20:31
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Well thanks for that, the taste I got was acrid smoke - hopefully you won't try to repeat the experiment when they let you back in.

lockey Posted on 09/01/2011 20:39
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Does this mean we have to put up with the XXXXXX drummer( the one from Preston) rather than the decent one from Donny

leroy_1_lita Posted on 09/01/2011 20:40
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mark5593 what is your big problem with the RF lads? didn't they let you wave a flag on something?

mark5593 Posted on 09/01/2011 21:45
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Whats my problem? My problem is with two of the core members who are over 20 (which narrows it down quite considerably as to who they are)who are, like the majority of red faction, cyber warriors.
I gave red faction a chance, in fact I went to the masters with them and then the Northallerton game. I chose to sit on the wall at the front for 20 minutes against Northallerton whilst they were all standing, no one seemed to have a problem (the presumption i came to after no one said anything about it) Came out of the match with the two core members got the train back to middlesbrough, waited in m'bro train station for half hour and got the train back to redcar, again with these two core member lads. Neither of them said ANYTHING about me sitting down at the match. Got home put the laptop on and what to find? One of those lads Id spent all day with, without a word said about me sitting down posting about how much he hated people sitting down (obviously me as i was the only one sat down).
So theres my 1st reason as to why i dislike them so much. The 2 nd reason being ts10. You can deny this if you like mate cos Ive got the messages on my facebook to say otherwise but your one who out of the blue posted a picture (from my facebook) of my mates, saying how you thought they were all wannabe danny dyers, correct? when i asked you why you said it and unprovokingly posted the picture on the RF site, after a discussion you said you were going to eat my throat? yes?
Ive seen you 3 times since you threatened me with that over facebook and not once have you even said out to me. CYBER WARRIOR.
So until they start acting their ages and doing things face to face rather than over the computer, I will never have any respect for Red Faction.
And that is why me, and a growing number of others hate red faction so much.

You asked why [8)]

free_pint Posted on 09/01/2011 22:11
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Mark- You've already proved your a XXXXXX by posting peoples names on here in the past.
I don't know about the sitting thing, but if your in a terrace you don't usually sit down. Also goes against the ethos.

Also having been shown a picture of your little 'Danny Dyers' I must say if TS10 said that then I agree with him.

So do us a favour get your head out your arse and stop being a bellend.

That will be all.

erimus74 Posted on 09/01/2011 22:17
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junouk I booed the players, and rightly so, they let us down badly,and lets face it how many times have they done this in the past few weeks/months


Fletcherr Posted on 09/01/2011 22:25
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unfortunatly yes lockey ;)


unlike the other lads i am able to still attend matches both home and away the reasoning behind this i am still classed as a minor so i have 5 home matches left then im sorry to say if the ban does get placed then that could be the possibility of the drummer from preston. I like the rest of the lads involved are willing to take it on the chin.

But come on didnt everyone love it? bit of a stupid question on this board as half off yous dont even go to the games...

Buddy Posted on 09/01/2011 22:51
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No, I didn't love it, as previously mentioned.

norfolkred1 Posted on 09/01/2011 23:00
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It was more of shock to most, did not see many people tutting about it, in fact most were clapping and cheering. I was stood about 20 mtrs away to the left of the exit where the lads were taken out.

Fletcherr Posted on 09/01/2011 23:04
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yeahh everyone seemed to be bouching and buzzing off the excitment!

PaulLeGuen Posted on 09/01/2011 23:05
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unfortunately, thats what let rf down so often, They won't accept that they make mistakes. The flares were a massive mistake and if you don't realise that then you need someone with more sense than yourself to run the show, The guy that does it now obviously hasn't.
the march through the town to riverside on home matches, what exactly is that about if not to draw attention to yourself. why don't you join a drama group? support the team without the need for flares and drama, what does a flare add to the game, except panic when people try to leave the stand because of the smoke. Daft really.

HockeyMadness Posted on 09/01/2011 23:15
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Whoever set of the flares/ smoke bomb - hope u realise u are all Fcuking Pricks - call urself Boro Fans if u part of RF or any other so called True Boro Fan Group then u clearly not TRUE FANS Instead u Ars*holes - Do us a favour and go and stay at home play on Footie Manager coz u cause more trouble then u worth.

Fletcherr Posted on 09/01/2011 23:17
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"Do us a favour and go and stay at home play on Footie Manager coz u cause more trouble then u worth."

What like you do?

HockeyMadness Posted on 09/01/2011 23:22
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Fletch - Actually I do go to Home & Away Matches- I was there yesterday like i was at preston, Scunthorpe, chesterfield etc but unlike some eg (ppl maybe like u) I can act in a responsible way. (The ones who set of the flares either so called Danny Dyers wannabe's so called young adults who carnt handle their cheap booze. But hey if u want to act like a prick all ur life good luck in life coz u never b treated like a true adult.

Fletcherr Posted on 09/01/2011 23:26
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fair play to you. i also do the same as you and go to as many away matches as possible.

Who said anything about people who did the flares had been drinking? and did danny dyer set flares off? [?]

HockeyMadness Posted on 09/01/2011 23:29
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I just wish someone wud put a flare in the Drummerboy drum (biscuit tin) coz it make a better noise then he can !!!! [:D]

Fletcherr Posted on 09/01/2011 23:31
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[:o)]

RedcarTS10 Posted on 10/01/2011 00:05
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Mark5593.
You have mistaken me for someone else. If you are willing to let me I'm willing to prove it.

skiprat Posted on 10/01/2011 09:34
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While the flares may have been misadvised, to call them an embarrassment and seeing some of the other over the top dramatic posts against them is even worse really.

It just highlights to lack of people being able to let go and actually enjoy something slightly different. Perhaps we should all just sit on our hands and shout the odd "Come on Boro" like at the Rivermorgue?

It got the heart racing and from what I saw, everyone was bouncing around and increasing the atmosphere because of it, a point that looks to be confirmed when I've seen it on TV.

Humpty Posted on 10/01/2011 09:46
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People need to get off their high horse [rle] this thread is full of people who'd put a knife through a kids ball if it came over their fence. i don't see what the big deal is with letting a flare off or a smoke cannister?

Buddy Posted on 10/01/2011 11:43
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So we're saying they hold exactly the same level of hazard as a football, are we?

Bandy Posted on 10/01/2011 11:44
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I am still laughing at the "what if the kids next to yu had asthma" comment

RedcarBlock53 Posted on 10/01/2011 11:49
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Pretty sure the lads warned off people around them before setting them off anyway haha. Alot of the agendarists are coming outta the woodwork on here.

free_pint Posted on 10/01/2011 11:51
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People are too sensitive. They can't have had any fun growing up.

There was no danger or malice with the flares and it was all done to look great and have some fun.

Everyone I saw enjoyed them, just some knobs on here now condemning them. People who probably didn't even go to the match.

skiprat Posted on 10/01/2011 11:53
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Did he say that Buddy?

MFC_Riverside Posted on 10/01/2011 11:55
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free_pint, I'm not for or against flares, I think if done safely they can have a positve effect but to say there was no danger is a bit narrow minded... I'm aware noone was hurt or no serious damage was caused but there was a danger that comes with lighting a flare in a very crowded area.

free_pint Posted on 10/01/2011 12:05
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Not if done properly and it was done properly. The lads doing it were trusted to do it.

kazza Posted on 10/01/2011 12:06
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gazette


Link: .............

MFC_Riverside Posted on 10/01/2011 12:06
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If they were trusted how did one end up on the pitch?

free_pint Posted on 10/01/2011 12:34
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It wasn't by any of us. When the stewards took the lads out, the flares were knocked out of their hands. The smoke canister (which was thrown) was knocked across by a steward and landed at some lads feet, he panicked and chucked it.

Been explained enough times on here.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 10/01/2011 12:37
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Clearly a danger to have them in then...

skiprat Posted on 10/01/2011 12:49
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You have to laugh at that Gazette report.

"Anybody who witnessed any of the incidents on Saturday is asked to call Staffordshire Police on 0300 1234455."

[:D][:D]

MarlonD Posted on 10/01/2011 12:50
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Never saw a fing ociffer

wowee_zowee Posted on 10/01/2011 12:51
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"hiya, is that staffs police?.... yeah them flares looked effing class! seeya" [:D]

redlion Posted on 10/01/2011 15:06
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I was sat in the seats to the left and I personally thought the flares looked great,the smoke canister on the pitch not so much,especially as we were on the attack.



Woodgate Posted on 10/01/2011 16:31
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As has been said numerous times the smoke was not thrown onto the pitch by an RF member. Yeah they took them in there bla bla bla, mark your a XXXXXX and your a complete cyber warrior im looking forward to next time you knw who sees you, your chins going to be getting gravel rash. And don't try calling me a cyber warrior because you know i follow up my words

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 10/01/2011 16:43
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Just got in from school Woodgate?
Chins going to be getting a gravel rash[:I]

[:o)]

milf_hunter Posted on 10/01/2011 16:49
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Has anybody actually read the first post, it says that it wasnt a lad from red faction who threw the smoke on the pitch and stopped the game, instead a random lad who XXXXXX himself when it landed at his feet - however, they shouldn't have brought it (the smoke bomb/grenade/cannister) into the ground if they can't control their use and where they were going to end up once they'd stopped being waved around so ultimately some blame does lie within whoever brought these into the stadium

*note - has it been confirmed it was red faction that brought and used the flares and smoke. let it be said im neither for or against them as a group, they have good points and bad points - with bad seeming to out-weigh the good recently.

lockey Posted on 10/01/2011 16:49
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As has been said numerous times the smoke was not thrown onto the pitch by an RF member. Yeah they took them in there bla bla bla, mark your a XXXXXX and your a complete cyber warrior im looking forward to next time you knw who sees you, your chins going to be getting gravel rash. And don't try calling me a cyber warrior because you know i follow up my words




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 10/01/2011 17:25
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A 38 year old from Kent [:D]

mark5593 Posted on 10/01/2011 19:07
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Yes redcar TS10 im afraidIve mistaken you for redcarblock53. Sorry for that and as for you woodgate you little martian, I and many others would love a fight with several members of RF, just name your place and ttime. You know who i am

Fletcherr Posted on 10/01/2011 19:15
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Come off your high horse mark! stop threatening people you wind up!

Woodgate Posted on 10/01/2011 19:18
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jesus need to go clean up think i've sh1t myself, check your facebook then mark lets see if you have a gut connected to that big mouth

Rufus_vel_Mortuus Posted on 10/01/2011 19:22
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Woodgate, wind your neck in.

mark5593 Posted on 10/01/2011 19:58
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Woodgate was the one who threatened me mate. As it happens Im glad he has. Justifies me smacking him. horrid little goblin. And I am nothing of a wind up. I say summet, I mean it

Vasily_Rats Posted on 10/01/2011 21:16
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Best quip of the day award defo goes to wowee zowee !

"hiya, is that staffs police?.... yeah them flares looked effing class! seeya"

erimus74 Posted on 11/01/2011 10:23
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jonouk-As I said early in the thread I thought the flares were a bigger embarrassment to the club, the fans and the players than the result.

Once again a few kids try to bring the club down and highlight our team to the press for the wrong reasons.

Bloody grow up FHS, I was stood towards the seats, yes my coat smelt of smoke but I to thought it looked impressive, infact, I didn't think it was an issue until someone throw/kicked a cannister on to the pitch.

Stop taking your frustration out on the Boro fans for the spineless defeat on sturday, vent you anger at the embarresement on the pitch