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earlofcoulby Posted on 08/01/2011 14:08
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so says Jack Straw.
I predict a race riot.

Torino Posted on 08/01/2011 14:11
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To an extent it is true. . . . . . . . . . If you are in Turkey [:D]

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 08/01/2011 14:14
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happend in nottingham[:(!]hang the fluckers[:(!]

sixtyniner69 Posted on 08/01/2011 14:17
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do you know how many single males who post on this board go to thailand as sex tourists!

castrate them i say[rle]

middlesbrough123 Posted on 08/01/2011 14:19
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At last a politicain who has the balls to open his mouth without worrying about people moaning about racism !![8][^]

rumrunner Posted on 08/01/2011 14:22
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The statistics published this week say it all really should recruit a few thousand new members to the BNP sadly

Sitrep Posted on 08/01/2011 14:24
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The BBC correspondent reporting last night as,” groups of Asian men largely of Pakistani origin”. Nothing wrong with either statement

Sea_Harrier Posted on 08/01/2011 14:26
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If Pakistani women have little, and lowly, status within the family unit, then why should their men regard white women differently?

sixtyniner69 Posted on 08/01/2011 14:34
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"At last a politicain who has the balls to open his mouth without worrying about people moaning about racism "

is he trying to cover up the fact that it was he who wanted to stop the police investigation into MPs expenses?

castrate the pervs of whatever colour

but never trust a politician making a clearly rascist statement

"Vetoing Freedom of Information Act requestsIn February 2009, Straw used his authority as Justice Secretary to veto publication of government documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act: in particular, those pertaining to early government meetings concerning the (forthcoming) Iraq War.[36]

[edit] Expenses claimsJack Straw admitted using expenses to claim a full council tax bill despite only paying a 50% rate. Straw said he had acted in good faith and had repaid the erroneous claims once he was aware that MPs' expenses were to be made public. In a handwritten note to the Commons authorities he declared that "accountancy does not appear to be my strongest suit" despite being a Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society"

Sitrep Posted on 08/01/2011 14:39
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If Pakistani women have little, and lowly, status within the family unit, then why should their men regard white women differently?


Because this is Great Britain, not Pakistan. Well you did ask the question

Sitrep Posted on 08/01/2011 14:41
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"but never trust a politician making a clearly rascist statement"


its not racist

superstu Posted on 08/01/2011 14:43
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If the thread title is the actual statement then it's definitely racist.

Senor_Chester Posted on 08/01/2011 14:45
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"do you know how many single males who post on this board go to thailand as sex tourists!

castrate them i say"

Yeah, if you want to ignore the fact that that's legal, and preying on under age girls, against their will ,isn't [rle]

ron_manager Posted on 08/01/2011 14:46
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maybe it should have read:
"A minority of British muslims males prey on young white women"
You could also add "A majority of male muslims hold white women in contempt"

FrozenHorse Posted on 08/01/2011 14:47
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"If the thread title is the actual statement then it's definitely racist."

Surely it would only be racist if he said ALL Pakistanis prey on young white girls, but not if he said a few gangs of Pakistanis have been preying on...

superstu Posted on 08/01/2011 14:49
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"Surely it would only be racist if he said ALL Pakistanis prey on young white girls, but not if he said a few gangs of Pakistanis have been preying on..."

Well exactly. That's why I said if the thread title is the actual statement. If he said "a few gangs of..." then of course it is not. But to say, on it's own, "Pakistanis prey on young white girls" is racist.

ron_manager Posted on 08/01/2011 14:51
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its not racist, we are all the same race "Human", if anything its against culture and ethnicity.
The over arching theme of all this is Islam not skin colour, nation hood etc

Sitrep Posted on 08/01/2011 14:54
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Superstu hasn’t read his statement, he’s just shooting from the lip

superstu Posted on 08/01/2011 14:57
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I'm not trying to turn this into anything Sitrep. If you read Jack Straws comments they sound fine to be honest. Some gangs of pakistanis, in some areas, see some young white girls as an easy target for sexual abuse. He's not wrong is he? The headlines accross the usual papers are misleading and inflamatory though, as they're printing it closer to this threads title.

So do one, ya daffcun.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 08/01/2011 15:02
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I can't help thinking though, that if someone on here had posted this, as opposed to quoting what Jack Straw had said, that the post would be quite swiftly removed.

bolifer Posted on 08/01/2011 15:02
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"At last a politicain who has the balls to open his mouth without worrying about people moaning about racism "

Straw has been in the Labour govermnent for their last 3 terms. He's been a Blackburn MP for about 30 years and has said sod all about this until Labour are out of power.A man of very very little courage.
Jack Straw has just jumped on the bandwagon.
When I heard the figures yesterday on the radio (5 live) that 90% of the offences against young white girls were carried out by Pakistanis,Jack Straw was not mentioned.

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 08/01/2011 15:07
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Well as Blackburn has quite a high muslim population, he's still taking a political risk by saying what he did.

SNOWBANDIT Posted on 08/01/2011 15:12
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a man of Straw then

though to be fair - he does rely on lip reading - so may not always be aware.

br14 Posted on 08/01/2011 15:55
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What he actually said is actually an interesting take on Pakistani culture. He suggested that young males of Pakistani culture don't see white girls as morally equal to girls of their own culture.

Probably a fair comment both ways. They don't and they aren't.

Obsolete_of_Charm Posted on 08/01/2011 15:58
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I think anyone of any colour/race who has a penis and full sack preys (flirts, chats up, wants to shag etc) to a certain extent on girls of any colour/race, I know I did when I was younger!.....so yes, Jack is right

bolifer Posted on 08/01/2011 16:02
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So you are an expert on Pakistani girls then br14?

Sitrep Posted on 08/01/2011 16:04
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“What he actually said is actually an interesting take on Pakistani culture. He suggested that young males of Pakistani culture don't see white girls as morally equal to girls of their own culture.”

Interestingly on the same BBC news report, a Muslim cleric picked up on this point; he described it as a form of racism against these girls.

br14 Posted on 08/01/2011 16:10
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Pakistani girls are not allowed contact with men outside the family in my limited experience.

So tough to be an expert.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 08/01/2011 16:12
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"Pakistani girls are not allowed contact with men outside the family in my limited experience."

That is possibly the nub of Straw's statement.

thetees5 Posted on 08/01/2011 16:14
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Actual be14 is pretty accurate. I am sayin all Muslims, of any country of origin are like this, or like that. It's some people who belong to this faith, race, or, group. I worked in blackburn for years with young people and in communities and I know, as do the police, schools, and social services what is going on. These criminals need to be arrested and dealt with in the same way as in the case highlighted in the news. These people give ordinary decent Muslims and Pakistani people a bad name.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 06:14
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Unsurprising lack of comments from the lefties on this. It must melt their brains when when one of their heroes says something that the Daily Mail agree with.


Link: Melanie Phillips

Buddy Posted on 10/01/2011 07:23
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Morning Bernard. If you can find me one "lefty" who agrees with anything Jack Straw has said or done in the last decade or so there's a prize in it for you.

Meanwhile, here are some numbers.


Link: Arrests

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 07:27
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Oh i see, so you're disowning him.

Why would he want to scaremonger, by the way?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 10/01/2011 07:28
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Nice one Buddy[^] I think that says it all. Same onld story, Politicians playing the race card and scaremongering. Shameful[|)]

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 10/01/2011 07:33
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It is happening on Teesside but the cases don't reach the courts.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 10/01/2011 07:39
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If you say so. Prove it. Anyone can come on here and say this and that, but if you don't have proof, why should we believe you. Sounds like heresay to me[V]

joseph99 Posted on 10/01/2011 07:39
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"Pakistani girls are not allowed contact with men outside the family in my limited experience."


If they're seen even fraternising with white englishmen they are shamed and disowned by their family. Racism in reverse.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 10/01/2011 07:45
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Again heresay. Sure there will be examples of this, but not every Pakistani family. Just like not everyone on this board is racist....just most of you.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 10/01/2011 07:49
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had some white lady chav on the radio 1 news this morning saying that black men do shout at them in their cars telling them to get in the cars and they just ignore them, they went on to say that white men also do exactly the same thing.

Jack Straw is coming across as a proper racist.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 10/01/2011 07:53
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That's because he is. He's not a socialist, he's a National Socialist! A supposed intelligent man provoking fear and possible retribution just to get his face on the box.[|)]

joseph99 Posted on 10/01/2011 07:56
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That's normal in traditional pakistani families. Not an isolated case.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 10/01/2011 08:07
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You done a thesis on this subject Joe? Also are you sure they are Pakistani and not from Yemen or Bangladesh....or is it easier just to put them all in one bag?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 10/01/2011 08:20
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BB1970 just cos your still stuck in the 70's with your beliefs, don't start abusing me soft cock. Have a look at Buddy's post and you will see it's just good old fashioned propaganda. I'm not saying there aren't any issues, I'm just saying that there isn't a Pakistani waiting on every corner waiting to molest your daughter. That is what Herr Straw would have you believe.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 10/01/2011 08:31
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That's correct, but we have similar issues in Sydney. A few years ago a gang of Lebanese Muslim lads gang rapped a few girls. Then all of a sudden every 'law abiding' muslim male was tagged as a potential rapist. This caused racial tension and was a contributing factor in the Cronulla Race Riots.
Like I said, I'm not saying there aren't issues that need addressing. In the UK Men and Women are equal (supposedly) anyone who comes to our country, be them Pakistani, Lebanese, Australian or American needs to acknowledge this. However, what Jack Straw said was highly irresponsible and like a few people have said on here, will no doubt cause a race riot[|)]

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 09:12
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"Herr Straw"??

Jesus, you lefties really know how to turn on each other don't you? You're accusing Straw, a former NUS leader who was so far to the left that MI5 had a file on him, of being a Nazi?

Same old lefties. If you raise questions on race or immigration, you're a fascist. even if it's one of your own. [:o)]

Smuggyget's quiet today.....

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 09:15
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Just enjoying watching you fleck your monitor with spittle Bernie.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 09:17
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Knew you wouldn't be far away smuggy. Not want to defend one of your (former) idols then?

If LITTLEJOHN had made straw's comments you'd be calling for him to be prosecuted.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 09:24
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Bernie. I know you're a cretin, but what the good gravy gives you the notion that Jack Straw - or any politician for that matter - is an idol of mine? For someone who eats all this stuff up with a spoon you have the political sophistication of a goldfish.

The_263 Posted on 10/01/2011 09:24
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I know I am proud to live in one of the most racially acceptable and tolerant societies of the world. I notice some above choose to live in one of the most a notorious racist societies in the developed world in search of a better life yet this hypocrisy doesn't prevent them jumping on a soapbox to yell "racist" at anyone discussing cultural conflicts in the UK.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 10/01/2011 09:26
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jack straw isnt helping labour with his racist comments

Buddy Posted on 10/01/2011 09:35
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I'm not necessarily yelling "racist", but I'm coming quite close to yelling "liar", or at least "exaggerator of issue out of proportion to its existence".

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 09:44
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Why would he do that Buddy?

Buddy Posted on 10/01/2011 09:47
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No idea, you'd have to ask him.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 09:48
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I don't see what Straw has to gain from this by lying, considering his constituency.

Shouldn't we stand up and take notice since he's probably more in the know than anyone on here, rather than dismiss him out of hand.

He obviously thinks it's a big enough problem worthy of mention?


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 10/01/2011 09:52
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'Shouldn't we stand up and take notice since he's probably more in the know than anyone on here'

why is he more in the know?

he roams such streets at night aswell?

Buddy Posted on 10/01/2011 09:55
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You haven't looked at the actual numbers then rivals?

libardi Posted on 10/01/2011 09:58
I thought Pakistanis prayed on prayer mats?

?

Nero Posted on 10/01/2011 10:03
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"Pakistani girls are not allowed contact with men outside the family in my limited experience."

And there in lies the problem with the muslim faith in my opinion.

How can one culture treat women in that way and still claim to be acting in God's wish. They're all completely bonkers I think.

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 10/01/2011 10:11
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Sydney it is "hearsay", but I trust my source.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 10:14
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As a current standing MP, former cabinet minister and former home secretary Razmond, I'd be srupirsed if he didn't know!

I still don’t understand why he would lie.

He does have track record for standing up for the group, he's now being accused of vilifying!


The_263 Posted on 10/01/2011 10:25
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Jack Straw's attitude towards racism in the UK was evident on Question Time when Nick Griffin was present on the panel. Are some people suggesting he's done a Billy Bragg and developed right wing values overnight?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 10/01/2011 10:27
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'Jack Straw's attitude towards racism in the UK was evident on Question Time when Nick Griffin was present on the panel'

but thats like Labour with the 20% VAT rise.

sometimes its easier to critise than be honest about your own views.

zaphod Posted on 10/01/2011 10:31
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It's completely untrue that all Muslim women in the UK are kept away from males who are not related. There's a range of attitudes from extreme restrictions to totally relaxed. That's certainly true in many other countries, too.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 10:31
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If memory serves, didn't Straw go on QT off his own back when most of the Labour cabinet and many MP's refused?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 10/01/2011 10:33
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i havent ask the MPs if they all refused.

I wonder how many QT had to ask before they got to former Home Sec Jack Straw? hmmm

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 10:35
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What zaphod said.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 10:36
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Well I'm merely pointing out that there was an easier option for Jack Straw, and that was to opt out of going on the show all together.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 10:36
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"Are some people suggesting he's done a Billy Bragg and developed right wing values overnight?"

Yes they are. He's no longer one of them.

The hypocrasy of the left on issues like this is absolutely fcuking priceless.[:D]

mr_maz Posted on 10/01/2011 10:42
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I love the way that the blinkered right claim the lefties to be hypocrites

it's simple, SOME men will always prey on SOME women.

be they black, brown or white (other colours are available) anyone who attempts to stigmatise a particular culture with an issue which is as old as time is pretty stupid.

People do bad things, and throughout time bad men of all colours do bad things to susceptible women of all colours.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 10:42
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It is when they decide to come out with crack pot theories that a secretly right wing Jack Straw, went willingly onto Question time, to argue against a fellow racist.

You couldn't make this up! [cr]

JonMc Posted on 10/01/2011 10:43
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Young white girls who get into cars with strangers and accept booze/drugs from them are prey to anyone - including Pakistani men.

The repressed and inhibited Pakistanis in question should take a leaf out of our enlightened culture, jet off to Thailand and shag some repressed and inhibited sex slave over there. We all know that's ok.

zaphod Posted on 10/01/2011 10:48
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People's views change over time & that doesn't make them hypocrites. I remember a Labour politician (I think it was Denis Healey) being attacked for having been a member of the Communist Party in his youth. He said: "I used to believe in Father Christmas,too".

The_263 Posted on 10/01/2011 10:48
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To be fair Zaphod, I think the threads above suggest that in traditional Pakistani culture (or indeed Muslim culture) there is a discouragement when it comes to mixed marriages - in particular for Pakistani women with traditional beliefs where having a relationship with a white man is frowned upon (not all Pakistani families). I know also that many modern UK Pakistani families are not like this .. but many still are. Just like many White British families still discourage mixed relationships/marriages. We also know that in certain Muslim countries women have no or very little voice due to the fear of reprisals.

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 10:59
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Here's what he said:

"There is a specific problem about a very small minority of normally Pakistani heritage men who are targeting young, vulnerable white girls. It is something which is abhorred by the Pakistani heritage community as much as anybody else, but it is an issue and its about how those young men think of women of their own ethnicity, who tend to be off limits, and what they think about white girls, and there’s no point pretending it’s not a problem, because it is."

That's pretty clear.

It's obvious Straw is referring to cultural views that are held by a tiny minority, and these views are abhorred by the majority. I don't see how he could have tried harder to be fair.

So I presume the goal of people whining about racism here is censorious - to silence him completely?



JonMc Posted on 10/01/2011 11:01
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Exactly Kirky.

Straw dealt with a very contentious issue as best he could and kept his language as uninflammatory as possible.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 11:04
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'So I presume the goal of people whining about racism here is censorious - to silence him completely?'

That's the problem with presuming. In the same way Straw presumes knowledge of attitudes he has no way of actually knowing.


rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 11:06
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Why would he have no way of knowing it?

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 11:07
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Because there's no art to find the mind's construction from the face.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 11:11
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"it's simple, SOME men will always prey on SOME women."

Of course. But as you well now, that's not the issue here. The fact is there are gangs of Pakistani men deliberately targetting non Muslim girls because they view them as worth less than a muslim girl.

The same thing was found by Channel 4's desptaches last year.

When one of your own left wing politicians (Straw) is telling you this. it's time to start dealing with these issues instead of burying your head in the sand, or crying racism.


rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 11:12
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Not even from his actions?

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 11:14
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"Because there's no art to find the mind's construction from the face. "

Smugly glib, as expected. So you wouldnt accept that as an MP with a long history of representing an area with a big Muslim population, and as a former home secretary, he has a much better knowledge than most about what's going on in ethnic communities?

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 11:17
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Smug seems to be your mot de jour today, my barking chum. As far as I'm aware a seat in the Palace of Wesminster does not confer mind reading skills, so I must maintain that he is talking out his arse.

As are you, but that's not newsworthy.

mr_maz Posted on 10/01/2011 11:21
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firstly not all the men were Pakistani's, secondly the men did not deliberately target non Muslim girl, they targeted vulnerable girls in their area, and they happened to be white.

and the issue here is that you're taking a few examples and trying to stereotype an entire culture.

the stats show that White men are more likely to prey on young women. So why no outcry about that?

You are burying your right wing head into something that you can get your racist mind behind rather than looking beyond a stupid comment.

You should spend your time helping the victims rather than blaming Paki's for all your woes.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 11:22
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Since when was telepathy needed to highlight crime?

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 11:26
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Imputing attitudes. Read mr_maz's posts.

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 11:33
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The OP regarded Straw's comments as inflammatory. Other posters in this thread say much the same thing - that he shouldn't have said what he said.

I can't see how Straw can have raised them with any more tactfully or sensitively. So is it better for him not to raise the subject at all?

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 11:36
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There is the possibility that he's seen enough evidence to make the correlation himself without requiring telepathy.

That is the advantage of someone who’s been in power to see this material as opposed to the likes of me and you.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 11:37
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Didn't take you long to play the race card there Mr Maz. Anyone who asks uncomfortable questions is a racist. [rle]

Of course statistics shows that white men commit the most sex crimes - thats because white men are in the majority in most areas.

But if you read both Straw's & the police's comments, these Pakistani men DID Target non Muslim women. That's the truth.

earlofcoulby Posted on 10/01/2011 11:38
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Changing tack slightly here.
Would you be happy if your daughter was knocking around with a group of Pakistani youths?

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 11:39
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Rivals - i think you're wasting your time on Smuggy. He just won't see it because he doesn't want to. He can't stomach the fact that his beloved Multi Culti utopia could be questioned from within.

The_263 Posted on 10/01/2011 11:44
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Whilst we are freely opening cans of worms on here one of the problems (not discussed yet) with British women is that they have developed 'a reputation' across the masculine world for being 'easy meat' for foreign men with reasonable good looks. Over-liberalising women and creating a vast number of Shirley Valentines who eagerly open their legs for anyone with a "Just For You" look and a few empty promises says more about the weaknesses of our own over-liberalised society than a Muslim one.

Buddy Posted on 10/01/2011 11:46
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"Of course statistics shows that white men commit the most sex crimes - thats because white men are in the majority in most areas"

which is why they've been quoted per head of population.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 11:47
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Just for you Bernie, from Buddy's link. Aware that you struggle with words, so numbers could be a trial - but give it a go, good man.


Table 5.4b of this pdf shows that, in the latest year for which we have data, Lancashire police arrested 627 people for sexual offences. 0.3% of these were Pakistanis. That’s two people. 85.5% were white British. In Lancashire, there are 1,296,900 white Brits and 45,000 Pakistanis. This means that 4.163 per 10,000 white Brits were arrested for a sex crime, compared to 0.44 Pakistanis. If you’re a journalist, you might say that the chances of being arrested for a sex crime are nine times greater if you’re white than Pakistani.


Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 11:51
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Do those statistics include all the illegals & asylum seekers? Of course not.

Why can't you just face up to what your former home secreraty is telling you?
There are gangs of Muslim men roaming the streets looking for non muslim girls to abduct, drug and rape. That's not my opinion, it's Jack Straw's.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 11:55
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Agreed with 263.

IS the crux of Straws point suggesting that the two cultures, one being an over-liberalised society, the other being a patriarchal closed one are clashing to make this problem?

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 11:55
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Speckyget you're answering a different point, not Straw's, and not one that's been made here.




FlarPhone_Warehouse Posted on 10/01/2011 11:56
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Guaranteed ton this one

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 11:59
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I don't see how you make that out Kirky. I'm saying that Straw is incapable of imputing any attitudes other than his own, and as such should have kept schtum.

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 10/01/2011 12:01
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Did any of you see The Big Word on BBC 1 yesterday morning where this subject was discussed by a "mixed " audience.

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 12:14
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Specky - thanks for confirming that censorship is your goal here.






speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 12:15
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No problem. MPs talking inflammatory arseguff will continue to be your thing, no doubt.

The_263 Posted on 10/01/2011 12:22
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Surely keeping schtum is at odds with a liberal society that encourages free speech. There's a hell of a lot of blind-eye turning, selectivity and hypocrisy in modern left wing politics.

Buddy Posted on 10/01/2011 12:24
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"Do those statistics include all the illegals & asylum seekers?"

They include everybody arrested, and the ethnicity is recorded at the point of arrest. Obviously any illegal immigrants are not included in population statistics, so the proportion of the actual population can only be LOWER than the one quoted in the report, for all ethnic groups.

Some good questions though, keep them coming.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 12:25
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Which is why I'm always first to defend the likes of Nick Griffin, when they want to pretend they're human on Question Time. Straw on the other hand is a 'respectable' politician from a mainstream party, and should know better.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 12:26
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Exactly. If Straw see's it as a problem then it would be a bigger crime to say nothing.

To suggest he has an underhand motive, an outright liar or closet racist seems way off the mark.

mr_maz Posted on 10/01/2011 12:28
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Bernie your mear presence means that that race card is raised. You're a racist most people are aware. You like to sterotype and blame different cultures rather than the small percentage of individuals who are actually responsible.

but regardless of that, considering Mr Straw's comments involve one race allegedly being the primary risk to another race, the racism card was inherent within the topic.

You can try to twist and turn and play the "i'm just saying it as it is" card, but you are no Simon Cowell mate, you're more of Hitler character with smaller balls

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 12:28
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Never said he was a racist, closet or otherwise.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 10/01/2011 12:31
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That bit wasn't aimed at you specifically.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 12:35
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"You're a racist most people are aware."

Big claim to make. Evidence or apology please.

Buddy Posted on 10/01/2011 12:42
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I can see your username. That should do.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 12:46
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It's possible Bernie that some board members infer from your misty eyed adoration of the racist Richard Littlejohn that you perhaps share his racist views. Do you?

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 12:47
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So, Specky -

Would you ban sociology and anthropology, too?

If "imputing" (Word of the Day) cultural norms across racial boundaries is not an intellectually valid practice, then these should be outlawed too.

mr_maz Posted on 10/01/2011 12:48
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"evidence or apology"

1. Prise your fingers from your keyboard
2. Get up and put some pants on
3. Walk towards your secret room where you keep your Nazi memorabilia
4. Look in the mirror
5. there's your Evidence

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 12:50
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"the racist Richard Littlejohn "


It's illegal to be racist in this country. Please explain why LITTLEJOHN is able to write a column in a national newspaper without being prosecuted if he's a racist.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 12:56
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Kirky - claiming to 'know' what an individual thinks because of the colour of their skin is a stance that is part of neither sociology nor anthropology.

Bernie - it isn't illegal to be racist. But if you want proof of Littlejohn's racism, his meisterwerke 'To Hell in a Handcart' should suffice.

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 13:01
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We can see what you're saying. Someone shouldn't speak or write publically about cultural norms, practices of another race.

This would bam sociology and anthropology.

mickymacc Posted on 10/01/2011 13:04
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Bernie is not so much racist as stupid,as shown by him slavishly repeating Littlejohns word as gospel,you can't debate with people who repeat other peoples words as fact.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 13:05
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Practices, customs, etc., are observable and can be chronicled. Individual attitudes are a whole degree of otherness removed.

gravyboat Posted on 10/01/2011 13:11
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Confirmation that Littlejohn is a racist.


Link: Here.

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 13:20
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Straw was making an observation on practices and customs of a minority within a minority.

So who would you allow to speak and when? Would you license them in advance?

It sounds like a blanket ban - but you haven't really thought it through.



Buddy Posted on 10/01/2011 13:43
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I'm interested in why he felt the need to speak particularly on this ethnic group Kirky, when there is no evidence of a higher rate of offending among that group and quite a lot of evidence of a much lower rate.

And it was a little stronger than an observation really, more of a "call for action" I'd say. Although what action I'm not sure.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 13:49
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Don't be an oaf Kirky - you're a rotter but you're not Bernie. I've never advocated any ban on free speech, I said that as a supposedly responsible politician he shouldn't have said something so stupid.

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 13:49
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Straw's motivation doesn't interest me, and is irrelevant to this discussion. What is being discussed here (see OP) is whether a public figure should be allowed to draw attention to a serious crime.

You and others think not, and wish to censor discussion of the subject.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 13:54
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That's right Kirky - see my pleas to admin to have this dreadful thread pulled.

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 13:58
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You say Straw should not have said what he did comments - nor should anyone else from outside the Pakistani culture.

speckyget: "I'm saying that Straw is incapable of imputing any attitudes other than his own, and as such should have kept schtum"

You have made no exceptions to this call for censorship.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 14:01
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Yes, in my opinion he should not have said what he did - misguided and inflammatory. Not quite the same as challenging his right of free speech is it?

Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 14:09
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You are being censorious but the idea makes you nervous, so you can't connect your recommendation with the consequences of that recommendation.

The justification you offer would also prevent non-Pakistani ethnologists, anthropologists and sociologists from studying Pakistani culture. It would stop Brazilians studying Teessiders too. And so on, and so on, right across the board. You would have replaced free speech with "trusted speech".

Obviously you very much want to be seen as a decent right-on sort of bloke, but you don't think about these things very hard - or think twice about what comes out of your mush.

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 14:11
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Well at least I don't start spraying the board with ologies before first finding out what they are.

Metroman Posted on 10/01/2011 14:14
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I think he is trying to do the same as happened when the question, "why is most street crime in London commited by Black youths," was dared to be asked.

It was a genuine question as it was statisically true at the time. Once all the blurb was stripped away and the issue was researched properly it turned out to be a particular problem in the Jamaican community with absent fathers. This is now where resources are targeted and welcomed by the community.

Perhaps Jack Straw is trying to flush out the root cause of a genuine problem.

gravyboat Posted on 10/01/2011 14:17
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Surely enthology, anthropology, and sociology are worthless anyway, what with science being 'post modern' n' that.


Kirkylane Posted on 10/01/2011 14:32
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All those avenues of research would fall foul of the Speckyget Law on Race Speech.

Just following through your advice.

Metroman Posted on 10/01/2011 14:38
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Well the person who asked the question and stayed with it was Trevor Philips because he genuinely wanted to solve the problem and the victims of street crime were largely black youths.

squarewheelbike Posted on 10/01/2011 14:41
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As regards street crime, I always thought the more pertinant question should be, "why is it always the poorest people who commit street crime"?

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 14:46
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"Obviously you very much want to be seen as a decent right-on sort of bloke, but you don't think about these things very hard - or think twice about what comes out of your mush."

Owned.

mr_maz Posted on 10/01/2011 14:51
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The only issue I have with Mr Straw's comment was that they were not specific enough, he generalised, 'Pakistani men' 'non Muslim Women', basically taking the shocking example of what happened in Derby.

If he had said in this case a gang with a majority of Pakistani men took advantage of vulnerable girls, who happened to be white (by the way were they all white). then that would have been fine. He could have gone further and actually made a solid point on how men prey on vulnerable girls, using alcohol and drugs as a weapon, but instead he chose to say what amounted to Pakistani men think of white girls as trash and therefore think it is ok to treat them like sluts and sexual slaves.


atkingson Posted on 10/01/2011 14:51
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They should bring back electric chairs and deploy them against murderers, rapists and child abusers. Putting them in jail is no good; half of them are content to be in jail. I heard about that Venebales spending his jail sentence eating mars bars and playing video games – a life not much different from mine.

squarewheelbike Posted on 10/01/2011 14:54
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"Bring back electric chairs". When did we have electric chairs?

atkingson Posted on 10/01/2011 14:56
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We didn't in the UK

mr_maz Posted on 10/01/2011 14:56
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just play with the wiring on one of those motability scooters, and there you have a mobile execution unit

speckyget Posted on 10/01/2011 15:00
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'Owned'[:D]

Bernie_is_Ten

gravyboat Posted on 10/01/2011 15:41
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Bernie,

That was like, proper random. You are well book though - proper from ends.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 10/01/2011 15:44
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Smuggy [:D]

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 12/01/2011 06:26
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"When I joined in 1979 one of my first tasks was to police around a Blackburn nightclub where one of the issues was Asian men cruising around in BMWs and Mercs trying to pick up young drunken girls.

‘The main pressure police have is being called institutionally racist if they highlight a crime trend like this."

Former Detective Superintendent Mick Gradwell




Link: Dare Not Speak Out?

Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 12/01/2011 07:22
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Local paper seems to dispute some of the figures quoted in posts above.


Link: Lancashire Evening Post

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 12/01/2011 07:31
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Just look in his eyes, you can tell he's evil.


Link: Pakistani rapist