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Bernie_is_banned Posted on 06/01/2011 12:26
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The more i learn about the public sector, the more i become conviced that there must be urgent cutbacks.

"...bin teams throughout the region have continued to work their traditional four-day week...."

WTF??? Why do they only work 4 days per week?




Link: Gazette

PinkPonce Posted on 06/01/2011 12:28
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Because they only get paid for 4 days a week ... The End

PP ... x

speckyget Posted on 06/01/2011 12:29
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Is it because the Council can't afford the overtime? Oh hang on, you said there should be urgent cutbacks. Three days a week then?

robbso Posted on 06/01/2011 12:30
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They have worked a 4 day week for years,i do and still work 48 hours a week minimum.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 06/01/2011 12:31
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Maybe they only get paid for 4 days work and the Council can't afford to pay overtime.

What annoys me more than anything is the lazy sods who can't be bothered to take their own waste to the tip if its stinking outside their houses!!

Oh, and it only costs the Council Tax payer about 20p a week for bin collection so anyone wanting a refund would get back about a quid.

FartingGnome Posted on 06/01/2011 12:31
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He should change his name to bernie_is_bonkers.

The more I see his contributions the more I think he must be on a wind up. Nobody, surely, can be as thick as that.

Miklaadt Posted on 06/01/2011 12:31
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Apparently it keeps the bins warm and stops them freezing up. You wouldn't want the cash strapped council to have to ching out for a batch of fresh bins would you?

Fletch Posted on 06/01/2011 14:08
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KingOfTheTribes and how do I take my bags of rubbish to the tip, on a bus?

bosshogg Posted on 06/01/2011 14:12
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"Local Councils at it again"

It's only R&C isn't it?

Stop being so dramatic for heaven's sake!


gravyboat Posted on 06/01/2011 14:15
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Outrageous. The council want to spend a bit more money getting these lazy feckers doing a few more shifts.

Oh.


LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/01/2011 14:17
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Bernie....Nah, feck it. Nobody's that daft.
Wind up.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 06/01/2011 14:17
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The usual abuse from the blowhards, but again, why are they on a four day week? I bet they are getting a full time wage. Don't give me schite about councils not being able to afford it - taxes have never been higher.

Buddy Posted on 06/01/2011 14:20
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I haven't read the article Bernie, so I am relying on you for this one - how many hours are they working in these four days?

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 06/01/2011 14:24
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Doesn't say. But even if it was 12 hours per day they should still be in 5 days MINUMUM in busy times.

Buddy Posted on 06/01/2011 14:26
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[:D]

Buddy Posted on 06/01/2011 14:26
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What F_G said, by the way.

squarewheelbike Posted on 06/01/2011 14:26
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So that's 60 hours a week when the legal maximum is 48?

superstu Posted on 06/01/2011 14:28
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I'm gonna give Bernie the benefit of the doubt and presume that he means refuse collection should be upped to five days a week temporarily.

After all the extra rubbish is cleared up Bernie would surely want the staff to remain on 4 day contracts, as excess waste spilling on to the streets wasn't a problem before the snow. Clearly that means 4 days has been enough to get the job done and it would be a waste of money paying staff for an extra day.

Manfriday Posted on 06/01/2011 14:28
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would they get more work done if their 48 hours was over 5 days instead of 4? I'm confused :(

squarewheelbike Posted on 06/01/2011 14:30
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Stu, if you read his OP, he says there should be "urgent cutbacks"!

Work that one out!

superstu Posted on 06/01/2011 14:34
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"Stu, if you read his OP, he says there should be "urgent cutbacks"!

Work that one out!"

I read that, and it is an odd one. I don't really have any explanation as to why he'd make such a comment.

bryan_munich Posted on 06/01/2011 14:35
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Clearly that means 4 days has been enough to get the job done and it would be a waste of money paying staff for an extra day.
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Spot on. A right-wing zealot criticising state over-efficiency, whatever next. The service in Stockton is excellent btw.


squarewheelbike Posted on 06/01/2011 14:36
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Oh I think you could, I think we all could[;)]

toxic_bob Posted on 06/01/2011 14:36
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Thought I detected the whiff of bell as I opened up the messageboard

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 06/01/2011 14:37
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"Clearly that means 4 days has been enough to get the job done and it would be a waste of money paying staff for an extra day. "

But they will be on full time wages, not 4 days per week wages. If theres no bins to empty on the 5th day get them sweeping the streets, not sat at home. Or, bag a % of them so that the remainder need to work a full normal week on emptying bins.

FFS !!!

LeitrimBoro Posted on 06/01/2011 14:39
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Be still my aching sides.
Hahahahahahahaha
Stop it bernie. FFS priceless.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 06/01/2011 14:41
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The lazy fcukers will have a 0 day week when the cuts kick in. A private company will do the job in half the time for half the cost.

superstu Posted on 06/01/2011 14:43
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Bernie I'm struggling to defend you now. What do you mean by full time wages? What do you think the wage is for full time work? Whatever amount they get paid, they do so for four days work. If they now had to work five days they would, quite rightly, expect to be paid more.

Chickensh1t Posted on 06/01/2011 14:44
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"So that's 60 hours a week when the legal maximum is 48?"

It's not like.

squarewheelbike Posted on 06/01/2011 14:44
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Even more priceless[:D]

Manfriday Posted on 06/01/2011 14:44
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a private company will do it in half the time.... what, a 2 day week?

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 06/01/2011 14:48
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Superstu: My understanding is they are paid for a full time job but because they have it done by end of Thursday they don't turn in Fridays.

Not acceptable.

These spanish practises were ended in the 70's in the private sector. Time for the people in the bubble to follow suit.

No more cramming the work in then bugger off early. If you are paid full time you are there full time. If you've done the main task, then you should be given extra. No private company would tolerate such nonsense.

squarewheelbike Posted on 06/01/2011 14:48
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European Worktime Directive became law in October 1998. Illegal to compel anyone to work more than 48 hours a week. If an employer is making you work more than that, they are breaking the law!

Chickensh1t Posted on 06/01/2011 14:50
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So its not illegal then is it? There is an opt out. Why did you say it was illegal?

"So that's 60 hours a week when the legal maximum is 48?" The legal maximum isn't 48.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 06/01/2011 14:51
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I do 60 hours plus every week. Have done for years.

UAUA Posted on 06/01/2011 14:52
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Whatever the rights and wrongs, I would bet any money that they dont physically work for 48 hours in those 4 days.

robbso Posted on 06/01/2011 14:52
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I work 2 12 hour day shifts and 2 12 hour night shifts,48 hours a week.Funny i thought that was longer hours than the mon-fri 9-5vers.

Oh and i get paid for all of the 48 hours[smi]

teesman61 Posted on 06/01/2011 14:53
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Bernie = idiot.
Have a go at the MP's who do F All for their money. Then moan about not being paid enough.

Chickensh1t Posted on 06/01/2011 14:54
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I would have been very helpful to ask them to do an extra day. [^]

What about getting agency staff in? We had 1 collection in 4 weeks. [V] They did come on Bank Holiday Monday mind you [^]


robbso Posted on 06/01/2011 14:55
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They would have been paid overtime for an extra day i suspect.I thought the councils have to save money.

UAUA Posted on 06/01/2011 14:55
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"Oh and i get paid for all of the 48 hours"

Well, you should be grateful for getting paid for your breaks every day then...

squarewheelbike Posted on 06/01/2011 14:56
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Yes there's an opt out, but employers can't compel you to sign it. Sadly many take advantage and make employees do it for no renumeration.

robbso Posted on 06/01/2011 15:00
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I am grateful,never said i wasn"t.Also never whinge when i need to stop back for extra 15/30 mins without pay depending on how the job is going.


Chickensh1t Posted on 06/01/2011 15:02
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"They would have been paid overtime for an extra day i suspect.I thought the councils have to save money."

Needs must at times thought. Some of it was a disgrace.

Also the lack of communication from the council. When were bins to be collected? There was no info at all.

UAUA Posted on 06/01/2011 15:02
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Sorry, it was only a bit of a joke. Nice one.

robbso Posted on 06/01/2011 15:05
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The communication bit is spot on,every year they have put stickers on the bins or delivered leaflets with the dates of the rubbish collections.Not this year,is it another money saving scheme though?

earlofcoulby Posted on 06/01/2011 15:06
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A couple of years ago there was a binman on here who reckoned his round involved walking 28 miles a day.

No further questions, Your Honour.

Chickensh1t Posted on 06/01/2011 15:09
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"Yes there's an opt out, but employers can't compel you to sign it. Sadly many take advantage and make employees do it for no renumeration."

That wasn't what you originally said though. You 48 hours a week was the maximum.

squarewheelbike Posted on 06/01/2011 15:14
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I thought I didn't to say it as everyone should be aware of it...

Except Bernie!

robbso Posted on 06/01/2011 15:15
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The council may have signed up for it,we are currently working light on a chemical plant because of this working directive.The company signed up for it.

certain people have worked close to or over their yearly allowed hours and have been told they are banned from overtime.That means there are certain people i can"t call out to cover the work.Which in turn puts extra pressure on the workforce.


squarewheelbike Posted on 06/01/2011 15:18
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Rob, which the employers should do something about! I get the feeling that the WTD and minimum wage are one of the next things in the Condems sights.

robbso Posted on 06/01/2011 15:22
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Yeah it is being taken further,some see it as a way to curtail o/time.Lads are willing to work it,they are not allowed to.

Our argument is if something goes badly wrong and i havn"t got the lads to cover it,it may be a flimsy defence in a court of law if it ever got that far.Which is btw becoming a more frequent occurance.

SplendidStuff Posted on 06/01/2011 15:30
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Bernie comes out with some classic stuff, absolute comedy gold.[^]

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/01/2011 15:39
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Is he allowed to vote?

Goodfella Posted on 06/01/2011 15:53
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They work 4 day weeks so the bank holidays don't affect collection. They work tues to Friday. Obviously good Friday and christmas balls it up.

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 06/01/2011 16:06
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Bernie, you are having a go when you know nowt about their terms of employment - this is what makes your argument so laughable. [:o)]

Kirkylane Posted on 06/01/2011 16:46
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So why haven't the bins been emptied?

Redcar council blames the weather. And the rest?

BarnesBoroFC Posted on 06/01/2011 16:48
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f*cking weather [:(]

KingOfTheTribes Posted on 06/01/2011 16:56
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Snow and ice I would have thought, or have you been abroad for the past month?

ron_manager Posted on 06/01/2011 16:56
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Bernie you need to take your brain to the rubbish tip as your arguement makes no sense as you have no information to back it up other than "four days a week".
They work between 37 and 40 hours per week and can earn between 11 000 and 21 000 dependent on service, if they are a driver and experience.
Sounds reasonable

Bernie what do you think of nurses who work 4 days per week.

And yet strangley they still work 37 hours...wierd i know or is it because you are backward.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 06/01/2011 16:59
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Isn't austerity brilliant.

I notice the half wits celebrating cut backs are the first to complain when they take effect [^]

Morons.

junkyard_angel Posted on 06/01/2011 17:18
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I live in Linthorpe and due to the snow and ice they couldn't get down the alleys to collect the refuse. However, they did come round last Sunday which was nice.

r00fie Posted on 06/01/2011 17:32
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[^]

red_shamrock Posted on 06/01/2011 17:53
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Bernie is Bonkers[:D],bet he`s had a few slaps for opening his big daft mouth.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 06/01/2011 18:44
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"A private company will do the job in half the time for half the cost. "

Don't know about Teesside's local councils but most refuse collection in Britain IS done by a private company, e.g. Veolia. It goes out to private tender.


SplendidStuff Posted on 06/01/2011 19:49
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Bernie must be in bed now, hiding from what this country has become.

r00fie Posted on 06/01/2011 19:50
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[cr]

trugggg Posted on 06/01/2011 19:57
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Bernie
I took my car to the garage today for a service and some repairs.
They told me it would take 5 hours but they rang me after 3 hours and told me it was all done.
Should I have stood about for the other two hours?
Should I have insisted that the mechanics carried on repairing my car after they had finished?

You are a complete tosser

Muttley Posted on 06/01/2011 20:02
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I used to wonder if "Bernie_is_whatever" was actually on a sophisticated wind up when he used to post the thoughts of Mr. Littlejohn. Since then I have come to realise he is actually not very intelligent. So please go easy on our special chum. Thank you.

squarewheelbike Posted on 06/01/2011 20:15
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Foggy, indeed. I was going to let him get a bit more rope to hang himself. That amongst many other posts shows his type first think later approach to his posts!

foggysfplandiet Posted on 06/01/2011 22:21
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"Isn't austerity brilliant.

I notice the half wits celebrating cut backs are the first to complain when they take effect"

Agreed Corcaigh. It's been interesting over the recent bout of bad weather to notice how those who have been expressing delight over public spending cuts are also complaining about the lack of gritting of roads and footpaths by the public sector bodies!

It will be far worse next winter.


SplendidStuff Posted on 07/01/2011 01:25
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hoof for the funniest post of the day.

Kirkylane Posted on 07/01/2011 09:49
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"It's been interesting over the recent bout of bad weather to notice how those who have been expressing delight over public spending cuts are also complaining about the lack of gritting of roads and footpaths by the public sector bodies!"

You must have been away for the past ten years. Labour created lots of white collar public sector jobs in management and marketing new Śreas such as environmentalism and monitoring.

Marx wrote a lot about this - it is classic non-productive labour. The average wage of a postman or nurse did not rise in line with the rise in management wages.

Now the cuts are coming the front-line workers will be sacrificed and the pen-pushers will be the last out of the door. This is how bureaucracies work.

The Tories lack the guts to disband the councils altogether and allow us citizens to contract the services we need on the terms we want.



bryan_munich Posted on 07/01/2011 10:10
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allow us citizens to contract the services we need on the terms we want.
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You mean like the NHS has in some support areas eg cleaning,catering with a reported drop in quality of service?

squarewheelbike Posted on 07/01/2011 11:49
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Exactly Bryan, the contract goes to...

Whoever does it cheapest!

speckyget Posted on 07/01/2011 11:54
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'allow us citizens to contract the services we need on the terms we want'

Fairly barking, surely?

Kirkylane Posted on 07/01/2011 12:59
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This thread is about QoS, so I would expect QoS conditions to be in every contract.

Unlike the ones the last Government signed while handing £100 billion to private consultants, most of which had no late delivery clauses and were a license to print money.



Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 07/01/2011 13:21
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That's right Kirky, they did. They've increased the immense debt we were already in trying to maintain a system that hasn't worked for nigh on 35 years.

It's not working over here either, yet it's the one we're following.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 07/01/2011 15:10
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No Kirkylane, I've not been away for the last 10 years I've been working on the front line delivering services in local government.

I don't deny there have been some outrageous things going on. One thing which has boiled my professional blood for years is the obsession with paying out large sums of public money to PRIVATE SECTOR consultants to write endless policies, "strategies" and "scoping studies" and other rubbish which then spends years gathering dust on shelves. We should have been spending that money on DELIVERING FRONT LINE SERVICES to people. I wholeheartedly agree with putting an end to all that crap.

And every time local government is reorganised the policies, strategies and scoping studies which they had are deemed out of date and new ones written over a period of 2 or 3 years to replace them. The whole thing is nuts.

I have warned my bosses and councillors for years that if we spend money on producing endless fecking policy and strategy documents and then there is no money left to actually DELIVER anything, we will be slaughtered.

To be fair to them, national government and European government has for years told us that if we don't go through the process of producing policies and strategies and scoping everything they will not approve any delivery funding.

I am delighted to say that at long last in the Council I work for there has this year been a massive cull of such strategic and policy spending but this is largely for cust cutting reasons rather than them realising what a waste of time such policies are. The bad news is that there is also a massive cull of officers who deliver on the front line.

But really, if anyone thinks there is a lot of waste left in local government, even sufficient savings to adequately grit our roads, take it from me who has worked in this business for 30 years - there isn't.

Kirkylane Posted on 07/01/2011 15:28
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Good to hear the strategy parasites are going. There still seems to be plenty of cash for marketing and "sustainability". My council has 50 working on eco-nuttery and four on revenue collection.

Are you a manager Foggy?