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zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 11:41
Elton John and David Furnish 'have a baby'

Eh?

"Massive congratulations to David and Elton on having their beautiful son. Can't wait for my first cuddle."

Load of bollox. Just plain wrong.


Link: Poor child....

ProudToComeFromTeesside Posted on 28/12/2010 11:45
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Reminds me of an amusing story I heard where I used to work 10 years ago.

We had this payroll manager who was a lesbian. Her and her girlfriend decided they wanted a baby and that they'd get a man in to do the necessary. Anyhow, this lad who worked in the same place volunteered. I'm not sure if he was shagging one or both of them, but he was going round there regularly for a few months, but nobody was getting pregnant.

What he forgot to tell them was that he was a jaffa.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 11:48
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Ha, you beat me to it. What a disgusting pair of losers.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 11:48
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As long as the child has love and security that is all that matters.
Plenty of kids raised conviently are starved of love and affection.
Come into the 21st century zzzzz it's not as scary as you might think. Seriously, for one day try not to be judgemental, pessimistic and see the positives in life. You'll be liberated. No more, will you be a sad, little man!

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 11:50
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Lisbon I thought you were a man of the world. Obviously I was wrong[|)]

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 11:50
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They bought a child. Something to keep them amused in their old age.

Poor child will end up with a a few dozen nannys and two old queens to pay for it all.

Wrong wrong wrong.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 11:52
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Are you a big Elton fan SYDNEYSIDER?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 11:53
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ZZZZZZZZ that's how I feel reading your back dated, small minded clap trap. Get back in your cave, knuckle dragger!

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 11:55
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Sydney. Bet you lurrrve it there. [^]

Why have you resorted to name calling?

Are you happy for the child?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 11:56
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Not a big fan, just not homophobic. I have Gay Friends who have a child. He's the cutest kid: Bright, intelligent, happy.....loved.....and that is all that should matter.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 11:58
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They're a pair of bell ends, if I'd have been brought up by those two I'd have topped myself by now and you would have been robbed of my eternal musings.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 11:59
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ZZZZZZZZ cos I can't be doing with your small minded, ignorant views.
Yes I do love it here. I get to share my life with people of all different colour and creeds, who are gay and straight. Instead of having to listen to bigots.

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 11:59
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sydneysider

Do you think it's right that people should be able to buy children?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:01
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Why are they bellends, cos they are gay? You should give Draper a bell. He might have a spare GERS shirt for ya[:D]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:01
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I'd probably end up with a decent watch collection mind so it might not be too bad after all.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:03
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Lets flip side that ZZZZZ are you against IVF?

HarryVegas Posted on 28/12/2010 12:04
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zzzzz you are a bigot and ths thread is disgusting. End of conversation. [:o)]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:04
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Why do you jump to the conclusion that I called them bell ends because they are gay. Are you an anti homophobic bigot?

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 12:05
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No, flip nothing. Answer the question.

Do you agree with buying a child?

And stop getting so upset with yourself. You're having Elton-like tantrums.

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 12:06
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HarryVegas, do you agree with buying a baby?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:11
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ZZZZZZ they supplied their own sperm and a surrogate had the baby for them. Whether that person was paid for this, is their business. Plenty of "straight", couples who have difficulties concieving do the same. So in answer to your question, no I don't have a problem "buying" a baby.

maxi_levey Posted on 28/12/2010 12:11
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More whinging from the pom..[rle]..the pair of dirty XXXXXXs

wally_falconer Posted on 28/12/2010 12:12
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"You're having Elton-like tantrums"

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][^]

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:12
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Why are they bellends Lisbon?
Mixi Lavy....yes I have

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:13
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They're a pair of bell ends who should be banned from buying a child. Poor little Fokker is going to be devastated when he works out what's going on.[cr]

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:15
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Why? Did you read my thread about my gay mates who have a very, happy kid?
Does it take a Mother and Father for a child to be happy?
Like Fred & Rose West[|)]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:15
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Have you seen the state of the tubby wig wearing toss pot, he needs a good shoeing, not someone handing him a baby to squeal at.

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 12:18
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sydneysider you are morally corrupt. You condone the buying and selling of babies, human trafficking.

You disgust me.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:21
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SYDNEYSIDER, how old is this very happy kid you speak about?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:21
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You must be trying to wind me up?
From the article I read it was their jizz, so how is that human trafficking? In anycase if it was an adoption, they are hardly the first couple to do that.
You are only upset cos they're gay. Or are they witches.....burn them, burn the witches.

gravyboat Posted on 28/12/2010 12:22
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SYDNEY,

Lisbon is a homophobe. He's made that apparent on here more than once.

oh, and 'human trafficking' [:D] Shut-up, you tail

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:23
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Neally 2, but I know another "gay reared" kid who is about 15 and also happy.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:26
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"Lisbon is a homophobe. He's made that apparent on here more than once. "

Rob, can you ban gravy boat please for that shocking accusation![cr]

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 12:26
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sydney where have I been homophobic?

You can apologise any time.

It's people like you that elevate homophobia and encourage it.

"In any case if it was an adoption..." But it wasn't. They bought the baby.

How much would you pay for one? What's the going rate?

gravyboat Posted on 28/12/2010 12:28
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'what a disgusting pair of losers'

Dear me.


zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 12:28
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Do you get cashback? 21 days to change your mind?

Disgusting.

natarli1 Posted on 28/12/2010 12:28
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Nothing wrong with them being gay what worries me more is the ages of them - especially Elton at 62! Hopefully he will live to see his son grow up.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:30
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Gravy boat, what has that got to do with their sexuality? If I'd have said it about Chantelle and Preston would you have slandered me?

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 12:30
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They applied for adoption with a Ukranian baby but refused, not suitable.

So they bought one instead.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:30
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ZZZZZ what are you talking about? You posted an article where it stated they used a surrogate. So how is that human trafficking? You then said it was plain wrong! Why is it plain wrong? Are you against IVF, is that why you believe it is wrong? Or is it cos they are gay? If so, then yes you are homophobic. Perhaps you can enlighten us, why it is "plain wrong", then if I have been premature calling you homphobic I will apologise.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 28/12/2010 12:31
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elton must of given birth out of his aaarrrrrssseee[:O]

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 12:33
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It has nothing to do with IVF and to compare these two with the thousands of childless couples struggling to conceive with IVF is also disgraceful.

You're trying to justify buying a baby. Give up. It's wrong.

gravyboat Posted on 28/12/2010 12:34
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Lisbon,

So your 'disgust' at this news has absolutely nothing to do with the fact they are gay?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:34
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Dear FMTTMers,
I would like to make a public apology to ZZZZZZZ. He is not homphobic like I accused him of being. He is merely against IVF and adoption (by anyone wealthy).
I stand corrected.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:35
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Gravyboat, are they gay? I never realised until you just pointed it out.

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:36
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I wouldn't touch him if I was you, he's got Bird Flu

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 12:36
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FFS you're really struggling here. It has nothing to do with IVF or adoption.

Are you really that dim?

earlofcoulby Posted on 28/12/2010 12:38
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Made to order.
Fcuking weirdos.


Link: Mammy and daddy

flaps Posted on 28/12/2010 12:39
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Yeah I'm sure this child will have a terrible upbringing.

Unlike the filthy, snot-nosed ASBO kids with sausage rolls stuffed in their face being screamed at by tattooed harridans that you see walking around Middlesbrough.

gravyboat Posted on 28/12/2010 12:42
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zzzzz,

Are you aware surrogacy is legal in Britain, too? And that in California, in a case of gay couples, one of the men HAS to provide sperm. So either John or Furnish is actually the childs biological father. What they've done is pay £25000 (less than some couples pay for IVF), for a women to carry the baby.

I think this rhetoric about 'buying babies' and 'child-trafficing' is over-zealous nonsense. You're sounding a bit Littlejohn-esq to be honest.

gravyboat Posted on 28/12/2010 12:43
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Lisbon,

Are you scared of homosexuals?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:43
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Firstly, correct me if I'm wrong but when two men want a baby, they either shag a woman who acts as a surrogate or have her artificially inseminated with their sperm.....hmmm I'm pretty sure that is called IVF.
Secondly, when a couple legally take a child from someone, is this not called adoption? Or are you implying they stole this child?
Please i'm confused. like you say, I must be thick!

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:45
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Gravy boat, only maxi, why do you ask?

earlofcoulby Posted on 28/12/2010 12:46
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Try again.

Made to order
Fcuking weirdos.


Link: mammy and daddy

gravyboat Posted on 28/12/2010 12:47
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You seem a bit anti-gay. Is it just one of those things you can't accept?

gravyboat Posted on 28/12/2010 12:48
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earl,

your link is obviously not worth the bother.

maxi_levey Posted on 28/12/2010 12:49
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Earl..how many more tries do you want ye useless cnut...[sad]

earlofcoulby Posted on 28/12/2010 12:50
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'your link is obviously not worth the bother.'

Agreed. Think I'll fcuk off. [sad]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 12:52
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Have you retracted yor slur yet gravy boat?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 12:55
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ZZZZZZZZZ i'm still waiting for your answers?

SYDNEYSIDER Posted on 28/12/2010 13:03
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My only objection is the poor blighter will be forced to watch Watford[|)]

TheBadGuy Posted on 28/12/2010 13:57
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What a sad start to life - having a 62 year old bloke for a mam [B)]

free_pint Posted on 28/12/2010 14:26
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FFS the homophobia on here is awful.
As Sydney says one of them is the father to the child and they are just using a surrogate. No child traffic or 'buying' of babies. They can't help that they are homosexual and can't conceive themselves.

That child will have so many great things in life now. It's been born into a loving family to two men who actually want the child.

boronutter Posted on 28/12/2010 14:34
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despite all the clowns who will defend this,it is morally wrong!!!!![^]tis indeed a very sad world.

free_pint Posted on 28/12/2010 14:35
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How is it morally wrong?

boronutter Posted on 28/12/2010 14:37
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because it is normal for a man and a woman to raise a child,work that one out if you can?

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 14:47
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They applied to adopt and were rejected so they bought a baby. 'Over zealous nonsense'?

No.

Sydneysider, what do you need explaining now?

free_pint Posted on 28/12/2010 14:51
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because it's normal?? Are you for XXXXXXing real??

So you think because they're gay they don't deserve a child? What about single parents? Are they not normal either?

Would you rather a child was brought up by two people who love it? Or was born through a mistake and therefore grew up through hatred and regrets of what they're lives could have been?

The surrogate mother got paid off for her part in it and they got the child they want. XXXXXX all wrong with it. Congratulations to them. They will raise that child in a great environment and that kid will have access to anything it wants.

You disgusting homophobic tosser.

crowborough81 Posted on 28/12/2010 14:56
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Tolerance, tolerate this, tolerate that, tolerate them ,no fcuk off its wrong you fcuk wits

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 14:57
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free_pint, why do you suppose they were refused their application to adopt?

Kocek Posted on 28/12/2010 14:57
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"because it is normal for a man and a woman to raise a child"

so all those single parents out there are abnormal?

boronutter Posted on 28/12/2010 15:13
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so you say they bought the baby free pint???? what a XXXXXXing idiot you are to think that is normal,you defy belief!!!!!but crack on anyway,it takes all sorts

bryan_munich Posted on 28/12/2010 15:22
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Tolerance, tolerate this, tolerate that, tolerate them ,no fcuk off its wrong you fcuk wits
______________________________--
What if it's a gay baby?

NedKat Posted on 28/12/2010 15:52
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Dear me !!!

Some real judgemental homophobics on this thread .....

r00fie Posted on 28/12/2010 15:55
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Its ok for madonna to buy african kids and single parents popping them out all over teesside and living off the state then.

Some cavemen on here. Lisbon you sincerely disappoint me. Unless you`re pzzd.

LowFellLurker Posted on 28/12/2010 16:09
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Pair of selfish sods.

63 year old, he will probably be dead by the time the child is 20.


r00fie Posted on 28/12/2010 16:11
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He wont go without money for his future,unlike some of the louts...

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 16:16
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and that's what it's all about then.... money.

It's OK to buy a kid if you've got the cash.

FFS.

r00fie Posted on 28/12/2010 16:17
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Or have the money before you get someone pregnant[^]

You`re squirming. Shut up and get lost.

boronutter Posted on 28/12/2010 16:18
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that seems to be the case zzzz![|)]

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 16:23
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Squirming [:D]

You're condoning the fact that a 63 year rich bloke wants a kid so he buys one after being refused adoption.

He got refused adoption because HE'S NOT DEEMED FIT TO HAVE KIDS.

He has everything else money can buy, this is just another possession.

That makes me squirm, it's sick.

Take a look roofie dear, this is the bloke you think fit to be father to a baby.




Link: Mr John

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 17:11
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You've gone quiet roofie old fruit.

Very unlike you. [:D]

Buddy Posted on 28/12/2010 17:26
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Just to confirm zzzzz, your point is that feckless, violent or otherwise unsuitable parents should be legally prevented from conceiving a child, either naturally or via a surrogate, no matter their sexuality?

r00fie Posted on 28/12/2010 17:29
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If people had to be checked before they were fit to have kids, half of England would be childless.[cr] Who checked your parents?

HarryVegas Posted on 28/12/2010 17:30
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Too many Littlejohns on here. Or should that be littlecocks?

r00fie Posted on 28/12/2010 17:31
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Theres only one BigRichard on here[;)][:D]

aytonboro Posted on 28/12/2010 17:34
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why is it homophobic to disagree with elton john buying fatherhood?
i disagree because when the child is in his teens and running riot or needing a 'dad' he will have two dithering pensioners who wouldnt know anything apart from how to fit a butt plug.

HarryVegas Posted on 28/12/2010 17:36
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Ayton - not a homophobe then? But you use a 'joke' about a butt plug to justify your point? [:o)]

SplendidStuff Posted on 28/12/2010 17:37
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So homosexuals shouldnt have kids, or is it that older people shouldnt, or people with money?


r00fie Posted on 28/12/2010 17:38
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Ayton wears one and has a remote control too[cr]

NedKat Posted on 28/12/2010 17:44
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How the phuq do you know what type of parents those two people will be ? They very well might turn out to form a very good and supportive family unit for that kid, and bring him up to be a credit. Don't judge others simply on your own limitations !!!

bryan_munich Posted on 28/12/2010 17:47
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and that's what it's all about then.... money.

It's OK to buy a kid if you've got the cash.
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Is that as morally unacceptable as the far more common practice of having the babies to get the state benfits, including housing?

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 28/12/2010 17:48
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I'm sick of being told to be tolerant.

It's disgusting FFS. If you want to have kids, have a normal heterosexual relationship. End of.

NedKat Posted on 28/12/2010 17:50
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You don't have to be tolerant, it's your opinion ... Just try to be a little accepting of different people ...

r00fie Posted on 28/12/2010 17:50
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How many people on here have kids and thought more of having a good jump than the consequencies of taking responsibility for their sprogs?

aytonboro Posted on 28/12/2010 17:52
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might point still stands despite my humourless gag.
i disagreed when the 62yr old woman had IVF to have a child for the same reasons. madonna too. money does not entitle you to bring up a child.
i am certainly not homophobic. more agedparentphobic.
as for roofie [:o)]

bryan_munich Posted on 28/12/2010 17:56
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i disagreed when the 62yr old woman had IVF to have a child for the same reasons. madonna too. money does not entitle you to bring up a child.
________________________
Does lack of money and state-dependence make it more acceptable then?

NedKat Posted on 28/12/2010 17:56
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So, you wouldn't have minded so much if Elton John and his partner had adopted a child twenty years ago ?

r00fie Posted on 28/12/2010 18:01
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I suppose the NHS should sterilise anyone before they reach their 40th birthday.That way this "disgusting" practice would stop.....and we could sterilise all the immigrants and council tennants and unemployed scroungers and kids with no qualifications. Being gay is the best option for keeping down the population and helping Nick and Dave with their cutz[^]

TurnbullsCans Posted on 28/12/2010 18:48
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I'm betting the baby grow isn't a plain white one

Torino Posted on 28/12/2010 20:14
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I agree with zzzzz, a child should not be allowed to be bought like that after Elton was deemed not fit to adopt. I would be equally against a hetro couple buying a child after been denied to adopt because they were not fit to, so drop the homophobia thing.

Do all of you agree with Cristiano Ronaldo been allowed to buy a baby and then dump it on his sisters and mother to bring it up, while he does fu*k all ?

*Steps back and prepares to be called a homophobe[rle]

Buddy Posted on 28/12/2010 20:19
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TC - I don't even know what that means. Can you explain?

lambethred Posted on 28/12/2010 20:37
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i sometimes think i've returned to victorian england when i read some of the comments on this website. i'm not sure if you're aware that it's now 2010 and that the world has moved on a bit. and have a heart as well. i think it's a happy story that some kid will be raised by 2 humans that will love and care for it. plenty of kids never get anywhere near that. seasons greetings.

smoghead Posted on 28/12/2010 21:01
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torino -

Why would you be accused of being a homophobe? You have clearly stated your reason for being against this. Its a view I share. They have used their financhial position to their own advantage where many couples in their position (gay or straight) would be denied.


HOWEVER - there is a nasty undertone to this thread which is quite sickening to be honest.


Bernie - are you and littlejohn not adopting then?

McGonagall Posted on 28/12/2010 21:28
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If I was the kid involved I wouldn't be bothered about all the above but I'd be really p*ssed off having "dad" singing me to sleep every night.

Torino Posted on 28/12/2010 21:34
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smoghead, I said that I would be branded as one because it seems anybody who has an opinion about somebody that happens to be gay, gets branded as a bigot.

smoghead Posted on 28/12/2010 21:48
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torino - I do agree to a point sadly. Its systematic of any debate where sexuality, gender, race or any other diving line comes into it. There is always going to be an element who are joining in purely to discriminate against a group. This group will then become naturally defensive and band about unwarranted accusations at perfectly innocent people when they talk about the issue in question, which in turn undermines the groups position.

Sanity is key in a debate like this but sadly that gets lost far too easily [V]

HarryVegas Posted on 28/12/2010 21:50
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I'm not accusing specific people on here but there are plainly loads of homophobic comments on this thread.

borolad259 Posted on 28/12/2010 21:51
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Despite all the rather hysterical stuff posted here, and after a lot of thought, I still can't muster anything more than profound indifference on the matter. I have read all of the chuntering though..so thanks for that time wasted when I could have been listening to The Young Rascals.

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 22:04
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well borolad that about sums up your attitude to the board since you graced these shores

You've read, you've considered, and because it's not profound enough for you in your indifference it's not considered worthy.

It was never ever like this on here.

And it's sad that it is.


borolad259 Posted on 28/12/2010 22:09
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You want me to be hysterical?
Anyone would think I'd deleted the thread.

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 22:15
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Hysterical? You? No.

But you do come across as ever so snobbish and sanctimonious...

'profound indifference'

do you feel that? do you really? where does it hurt?



borolad259 Posted on 28/12/2010 22:18
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Daft bugger. You have expressed your opinion plentifully, I've just expressed mine once.
Have a happy new year zzzz.

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 22:19
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OK [^]

Ouroboros Posted on 28/12/2010 22:21
Elton John and David Furnish 'have a baby'

I wonder how they'll explain the facts of life to him?

Buddy Posted on 28/12/2010 22:23
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In the same way that any other parents would, I'd imagine. I can't see why it would be any different?

Ouroboros Posted on 28/12/2010 22:25
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Buddy, read your answer again and see how ludicrous it is.

zzzzz Posted on 28/12/2010 22:26
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Buddy, there's only a syringe and a complete stranger as a real mum involved. Apart from that it's completely natural. [^]

MrsTiggywinkle Posted on 28/12/2010 22:27
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Forget their sexuality....they are 62 and 48. In my opinion, for what it's worth ,they are too old to be parents.

Buddy Posted on 28/12/2010 22:32
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The biological facts aren't at issue, are they? They are the same in this case as any other. Then you have the issue of why this particular relationship doesn't fit in to the standard "when a mummy and a daddy love each other very much" narrative, which means that two other big issues (homosexuality and surrogacy) will have to be covered by the parents as well, rather than leaving them to the playground or Channel 4 as appears to happen in far too many families.

Ouroboros Posted on 28/12/2010 22:36
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I think the child will need to be privately educated, which he probably will be. You mention the playground, and children can be very cruel. Think back to your own schooldays, how much pressure from the other kids was there to 'fit in'?

My old mum saw the news report on this, I couldn't post her response because it would be removed. PS. Mum is a woman.

Buddy Posted on 28/12/2010 22:41
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OK, which other parental groups should be prevented from having children on the grounds that the resulting kids might be teased at school? Scousers living in the Home Counties? English people living in Australia?

TurnbullsCans Posted on 28/12/2010 22:43
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I reckon the English kids are probably doing pretty well for themselves in the playgrounds of Australia right now...

borolad259 Posted on 28/12/2010 22:44
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TC [:D]

Ouroboros Posted on 28/12/2010 23:11
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Buddy, that isn't my argument and you know it. I'm not going to respond to every convoluted and exotic reponse to my comments which you come up with. So in that sense, congratulations, you've 'won'.

What's happening here is what smoghead alluded to above. The arguments FOR and AGAINST this issue on this post are 53% AGAINST and 47% FOR (yes, I am that sad). Do you really think that would be repeated in a straw poll of the people of Teesside? I'd be surprised if 1000 people were asked, 5% were for it.

What happens on these posts, as it always does, is that the people who are for anything which the majority consider patently wrong are usually more vociferous and argumentative, so will go on about it until they 'win'.

The people who are against it are usually slapped down by the 'For' brigade, or generally are scared to post in case they are slapped down by the screaming hysterics of the 'fors' who instantly accuse them of being small minded and bigoted.

It would be interesting to do a genuine poll on here, just answering For or Against, but it won't happen because it would descend into the name calling above and would eventually be removed.

Just my opinion, like. Good win by the Boro today, ey?

MrsTiggywinkle Posted on 28/12/2010 23:14
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Very well put[^]

HarryVegas Posted on 28/12/2010 23:16
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I'm not 'for' or 'against' it, though you'll have me down as one of the argumentative 'for brigade'. It's none of my business. Or yours. What I am against is the homophobic tone of quite a number of the posts on this thread.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 28/12/2010 23:18
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On a slightly different note but something I am wondering anyway - is it possible to mix the jizz of them both together?

SplendidStuff Posted on 28/12/2010 23:19
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The issue is that some are claiming John and Furnish 'sick' 'disgusting' etc and making assumptions about their ability to be parents.

You cannot really say these things and not expect to be slapped down.

SplendidStuff Posted on 28/12/2010 23:20
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'On a slightly different note but something I am wondering anyway - is it possible to mix the jizz of them both together?'


[|)]

TurnbullsCans Posted on 28/12/2010 23:21
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[:D]


Buddy Posted on 28/12/2010 23:22
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Ouro - I think what you're objecting to is "thinking things through".

Turnbulls - yes, but I think probably just a spoon rather than an electric whisk to avoid cell damage. Only one sperm cell will fertilise the egg though, so you'd need to label them.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 28/12/2010 23:24
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As I thought [^]

These types of jobs are what the Petri Dish was designed for.

Ouroboros Posted on 28/12/2010 23:29
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Buddy, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

A good night and a happy new year to you.

SplendidStuff Posted on 28/12/2010 23:32
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Why would you want a poll of yes or no, what possible relevance and use would that be, not to mention very boring.

Ouroboros Posted on 28/12/2010 23:42
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Simply to gain majority opinion.

What about polls & petitions? Isn't that what a large enough group of people do when they feel strongly enough about an issue and want to gauge majority opinion so that they can inform authority? Authority usually ignore them of course.

Do you believe that polls & petitions are boring and irrelevant?

Buddy Posted on 28/12/2010 23:51
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I do, to the extent that they reduce complicated issues to binary choices.

HarryVegas Posted on 28/12/2010 23:53
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Our - so are you going to inform 'the authorities' about Elton then? [:o)]

Lisbonlegend Posted on 28/12/2010 23:57
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Roofie, stick to citing commentary of Mowbrays diving header against Villa.[B)]

r00fie Posted on 29/12/2010 00:02
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Lisbon. Stick to talking about your watch. Your saving grace is what you do for charity.

gravyboat Posted on 29/12/2010 00:05
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I imagine if you ran a poll on here asking who thought it was a good idea that all beer in pubs in Stockton was free at all times, you'd probably get a large majority swaying one way. In reality, however, its a silly idea, isn't it?

And Lisbon,

I won't retract any 'slur', as you do seem to be pretty anti-gay and therefore rather homophobic. I did ask you why you thought the couple in question were 'disgusting', and if homosexuality was something you just couldn't accept - reasonable questions I think - but you've ignored them, so just based on what you type, it seems a reasonable conclusion.


Lisbonlegend Posted on 29/12/2010 00:21
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Not once in this thread did I mention their sexual preferences yet got labelled a homophobe but these righteous do gooders that seem to exist nowadays. So why should I have to answer questions about about something I never said? It's not my cup of tea but I have a few gay friends who are alright.

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/12/2010 00:23
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Disgusting losers you said, fair enough if you dont want to explain the reasoning for your comment but dont be too upset when people come to their own conclusions based on those comments.

r00fie Posted on 29/12/2010 00:23
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Ive got a few straight friends who are alright, but a bit fat and sweaty sometimes[^]

Buddy Posted on 29/12/2010 00:24
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I think the question was about which bit was "disgusting", which was what you DID say.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 29/12/2010 00:30
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No, gravy boat called me a homophobe. They are disgusting losers because they prance about in the public eye saying look at me, look at me. They're old fellas who, in my opinion, shouldn't be allowed to bring up a baby. They will be dead before the child is of a decent age, the child will be brought up as an object in the public eye. I find it dispicable that a child could be bought and treated this way. I compared their attention seeking to Preston and Chantelle in an earlier post.

Far too many know alls on this board who should learn to read properly.

Dibzzz Posted on 29/12/2010 00:32
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It is a disgrace and therefore disgusting. The mere thought of same sex couples paying a woman to have a baby is wrong. I don't give a XXXXXX, it's bizzare behavior by weirdos. Poor bairns.

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/12/2010 00:32
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In what way exactly is the child being treated?



The_River Posted on 29/12/2010 00:32
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One or two of the 'anti' brigade protesting just a bit too much, I think.

Buddy Posted on 29/12/2010 00:33
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Dibzzz - does that mean you're happy with heterosexual couples doing it?

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/12/2010 00:33
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So if it were a male/female you would have no objection to surrogacy?

TurnbullsCans Posted on 29/12/2010 00:35
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The verb 'prance' is rarely used in any context other than when discussing homosexuals

[:D]



gravyboat Posted on 29/12/2010 00:35
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'..who are alright' [:D] Are they aware they're so highly thought of?

You can think of me self-righteous if you like - it wouldn't be the first time you've called me it when discussing this subject - but when someones first comment regarding a male gay couple becoming surrogate parents includes the word 'disgusting', I will (pretty reasonably I think) tend to think that infers homophobia and intolerance.

Is that not what you were getting at, like?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 29/12/2010 00:36
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He will be treated as a toy in the life of these two oddballs. Elton is known for his odd behaviour, the child will be ridiculed in the outside world as he grows up for being brought up by two old men. The child will no doubt be pretty confused as to what is going on and will probably wonder who it's mother is. It is wrong IMO.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 29/12/2010 00:38
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The kid will be diving into the peacock feathers for cover if Daddy Elton doesn't get his way

[B)]

Ouroboros Posted on 29/12/2010 00:39
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Harry, no of course not. Any poll would be irrelevant in that respect, which is what someone said. As a usual for, you are twisting what I have written.

I would simply be interested in the MAJORITY opinion, which I have stated several times now. It wouldn't be of any use, simply of interest.

Majority means what most people think, by the way.

Dibzzz Posted on 29/12/2010 00:41
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Just wait for the horrible XXXXXX to cash in when he no doubt releases a hit single all about his son.

Makes your stomach churn doesn't it ?

Lisbonlegend Posted on 29/12/2010 00:42
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Yes, they're alright, do you want me to say I love their tight little buns. You are very self righteous, just cos I don't like mincers doesn't mean I'm homophobic.

gravyboat Posted on 29/12/2010 00:45
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'just cos I don't like little mincers doesn't mean I'm homophobic'

Are you on the Vodka? [:D]

I think you're mixing up 'self-righteous' with 'not liking to see people make judgements on ones sexuality'.


HarryVegas Posted on 29/12/2010 00:47
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'just cos I don't like little mincers doesn't mean I'm homophobic' [:D]

Dibzzz Posted on 29/12/2010 00:47
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Buddy.

Yes.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 29/12/2010 00:47
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I'm disgusted that you lot can condone it. Imagine if that child was you being brought up into the world by these two nutters. You champion their cause though cos it makes you feel better about yourself.[rle]

Buddy Posted on 29/12/2010 00:48
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It sort of does, actually.

Edit: that's to Lisbon's post about six back, obviously. So we've got Lisbon and Dibzzz confirmed as deliberately discriminating on grounds of sexuality. At least they're honest.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 29/12/2010 00:48
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Imagine if that child was you being brought up into the world by these two nutters


You'd have a superb trainer collection though [8)]

istinitboro Posted on 29/12/2010 00:49
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I do not know Elton John or his partner personally therefore,can't comment on their prospective parental skills.If they choose to have children regardless,that is their choice and I wish them all the best.That they are a gay couple is insignificant.

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/12/2010 00:50
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The poor kid has only one problem, people like Dibzzz and Lisbon.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 29/12/2010 00:51
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I've not had a drink for 10 days, first I'm a homophobe and now I'm an alcoholic.[B)]

Dibzzz Posted on 29/12/2010 00:52
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Yes. It's the perfect platform for all the plastic tree huggers to vvank each other off at.

gravyboat Posted on 29/12/2010 00:53
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Again, I think you're getting a bit mixed up, old fruit.

Not 'championing their cause', rather 'not judging whether they are adequate parents based upon brainless media inference, and intolerance'.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 29/12/2010 00:56
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SplendidStuff, I take it you were brought up by a couple of prancing, wig wearing Watford supporting pensioners aswell.[rle]

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/12/2010 00:58
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See what i mean.

You are the type of person that will make the childs life difficult.

Lisbonlegend Posted on 29/12/2010 00:59
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No, I don't see what you mean, you are deluded.

Dibzzz Posted on 29/12/2010 01:01
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I'm not homophobic. They can get on with whatever they like. I just don't like them buying kids. Not fair to involve another human being who has no choice. Just my view on things.

SplendidStuff Posted on 29/12/2010 01:04
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'Not fair to involve another human being who has no choice. Just my view on things.'


And how many heterosexaul couples involve a kid in their sexual practices you utter clown.

ron_manager Posted on 29/12/2010 09:29
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I really dont get the "Its not normal arguement" when people are sitting at a "manmade" computer".
Flying in a plane is not normal, having a child in a hospital is not normal (without medical intervention both my sons would have died at birth), driving cars is not normal, I could go on and on. People who pick and choose what old value they want in modern society are dreamers. The modern west world is what it is in all its many facets. So for me gays bringing up children really isn't a problem.
My only concern is the age but then again a felt that about the ole hag who gave birth in her sixites.[:D]

zzzzz Posted on 29/12/2010 09:39
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And there you have it.

But don't let those screaming homophobe at every turn see it because they chose not to.

I repeat, it's fundamentaly wrong to buy a child and worse that there's every chance that one of the 'parents' will pop his clogs before the child becomes an adult.

It's even worse the fact that they have already been refused the right to adopt, having been considered not fit by professionals.


Grumpy_Paul Posted on 29/12/2010 09:46
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Who's doing the breast feeding?

Case dismissed

Buddy Posted on 29/12/2010 09:51
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Again Paul, are you wanting to make breast feeding compulsory for heterosexual parents?

joseph99 Posted on 29/12/2010 09:51
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The child will not have a coventional upbringing just like any kid, with hetrosexual parents, who is born with billionaire parents. There's bigger and more important things going on in the world than to discuss ad nauseum the creation of an over-privileged brat.

zzzzz Posted on 29/12/2010 09:52
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"Speaking at a press conference Sir Elton said Lev (the Ukranian boy) had “stolen his heart” and added: “I don't know what the procedure is to adopt a boy from the Ukraine. I don't think that I can because England has a treaty with the Ukraine but David is Canadian so we might be able to work through something like that.” "

That didn't work either but £25k did the trick. [^]

Dibzzz Posted on 29/12/2010 10:27
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I wonder if they will take turns doing the night feeds and nappy changes? Or just leave it for the army of nannies to do?

Dibzzz Posted on 29/12/2010 10:32
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Someone mentioned the poor little thing couldn't be breast fed.

Don't worry, Sir Elton is the biggest tit you're ever likely to come across.


Grumpy_Paul Posted on 29/12/2010 10:34
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Not compulsory Buddy but any medical professional will tell you that breast feeding is what's best for the baby.

Nature, God or whatever determined that babies should be fed from the breast

Buddy Posted on 29/12/2010 10:37
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But given that it's not compulsory for mothers, and many don't, it's not a clinching argument in this case.

Buddy Posted on 31/12/2010 07:18
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Now I like the BBC, but it does get itself into some awful scrapes over its requirement for "balance". Usually it's as relatively innocuous as giving equal air time to people who point at snow and shout that global warming is made up, but the repeated prominence of Stephen Green really is a worry.


Link: Lunatic

zzzzz Posted on 31/12/2010 08:48
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Some junior reporter was told to go out and find someone willing to speak out against buying kids and that's who they came up with.

Lazy but not worrying.

chorleyphil Posted on 31/12/2010 08:52
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Some of you phukers would argue the validity of a couple of dolphins having a human baby!

HarryVegas Posted on 31/12/2010 08:52
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Paul, my kids weren't breast fed. Should they have been taken off us? By the way they are now 20 & 18 year old intelligent, healthy women.

People on here don't half talk some sh!t sometimes....

zzzzz Posted on 31/12/2010 09:02
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Rules HarryVegas [:P][:D]

Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 31/12/2010 09:04
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The kid will grow up with a great education and money beyond his dreams and will be loved.

My view is that it's morally wrong for two blokes to father the child. It's wrong to adopt children the way Madonna and Angelina do.

I'm firmly behind a licence to breed aswell.




HarryVegas Posted on 31/12/2010 09:06
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zzzzz see below....




















































No fckin chance mate!

chorleyphil Posted on 31/12/2010 09:06
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...and Jonny arrives with some sanity [^]

zzzzz Posted on 31/12/2010 09:17
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Poor kid, the woman who carried the child wasn't even the biological mother! [B)]

Like the '5 settings cradle' though. Wonder if they do an adult one. [:D]


Link: Frankenstein

zzzzz Posted on 31/12/2010 17:08
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A different slant....


Link: The right to lineage....