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Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 13:59
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

The public schoolboy, step-son of a multi millionaire didn't realize he was hanging off the cenotaph!! Yeah right!

BoroAl Posted on 12/12/2010 14:01
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

public school educated,i presume.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 12/12/2010 14:03
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Comprehensive or Academy students would never do anything like that. Would they?

WTF has public schools got to do with that idiot?

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/12/2010 14:06
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Seems reasonable. I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't realise it was the cenotaph if they walked past it, especially if they were trolleyed.

BoroAl Posted on 12/12/2010 14:06
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

you would have thought with all the privileges(sp) he will have had,he'd have known the difference between a war memorial and a lamp post.

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:06
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I hope Cambridge Uni give him the boot though.

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:08
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

SJB, you'd think the Army, Navy & RAF flags attached to it would be a bit of a givaway.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/12/2010 14:11
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Why? It could just be something with flags on it.

norfolkred1 Posted on 12/12/2010 14:11
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Has he been arrested for it and if so what grounds!!! Defo needs a severe kicked up the ass

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:14
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I'm not sure there is a crime for ripping a flag off a lump of comcrete.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/12/2010 14:14
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

What is it with posh sons of XXXXXXe rock stars anyway. It's his dad they should be arresting for making such dull music.

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:14
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

SJB,
What about the inscription on all 4 sides that says "In memory of those that died in the great war".

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/12/2010 14:16
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I doubt he stopped to read it manny!

squarewheelbike Posted on 12/12/2010 14:16
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Spent some considerable time working with Cambridge University Students. On the whole a bunch of thick obnoxious ar5ewipes, who thinks the world revolves around them.

Anubis Posted on 12/12/2010 14:19
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.


I'm not sure there is a crime for ripping a flag off a lump of comcrete

I'm sure Crimimal Damage will cover that one.

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/12/2010 14:22
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Outraging public decency was the charge used for that woman who XXXXXXed on a memorial I think.

grantus Posted on 12/12/2010 14:24
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I think people are overreacting massively to this.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:25
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Just wonder why he hasn't been charged then?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:26
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

grantus
people on this board over reacting? surely not [:D]

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:27
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:14
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.


I'm not sure there is a crime for ripping a flag off a lump of concrete.


what a complete and utter tool you are son, you are a disgrace to your cause, and it is your ilk that discredits an otherwise good (albeit misguided) cause

i have never been so incensed by a post on this forum, you're an absolute tit

Sea_Harrier Posted on 12/12/2010 14:28
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Who Gilmour or 1Finney?[:D]

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:28
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st time caller
Why so upset fella?

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:28
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1stTC,
I thought the same.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:30
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

both. effing morons. we need a bra for them - pair of tits

Sea_Harrier Posted on 12/12/2010 14:30
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

[:D]

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:32
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Finny is obviously a student but I dread to think what he is studying.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:34
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

i'm upset that you could post what you did

humour me, and answer me one question...please... do you think you post attracted support for your cause or do you think it was in poor taste, an infantile comment that has distanced yourself (were you there protesting/causing havoc?) from those who were on 'your side'?

what an odious little cretin you are

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:34
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Finny is not a student [^]

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:34
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1stTC,
I was trying to say that I totally agree with you and not that arsewipe.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:37
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
I don't have a 'cause'... just an opinion.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:37
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1fanny isn't a student, he's just one of those parasitic trouble makers who will attach himself to any 'cause' against the tyranny of evil that is authority

the vvanker couldn't get himself a 10m swimming badge, let alone a place at university

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:39
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

i know manny, just unfortunate timings of postings [^]

edit: i was replying to S_H

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:40
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
I left university, with a degree, many years ago when you needed to be bright to get in.
Your language is very colourful, by the way.

Buddy Posted on 12/12/2010 14:40
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

We did this the other day. I'm deeply offended by finny's post about the concrete as well...it's Portland stone, I think.


Link: Worse things to worry about

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:41
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"I don't have a 'cause'... just an opinion"

and based on your opinion, what are you reading at university - modern history?

and btw, your post invalidates any opinion you may have

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:43
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"I left university, with a degree, many years ago when you needed to be bright to get in"

are you are jawdee? deluded fool.

why are you not so bright now then?

BoroGrecian Posted on 12/12/2010 14:44
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

worringly I think unless young people are involved in such things as Cadet organisations, Scouts, Guides, Boys Brigade etc then they don't know what a Cenotaph is [sad]

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:45
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
Wow - for a moment, I thought you had something there. Having checked, however, I still do have an opinion.
If it is any consolation I now apologise - I really didn't know it was Portland Stone.

Buddy Posted on 12/12/2010 14:46
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

[:D]

Sea_Harrier Posted on 12/12/2010 14:47
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1finney is the anarchist who revels in the student's revolution, civil disobedience, unrest with the ultimate bringing down the Tory/government.

I won't happen.

Either 1finney voted New Labour in the last General Election and is still smarting, or he's a "victim" from Liverpool.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:49
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Sea Harrier is wrong on most of his points.
Shall we now play 'guess which one's you were right with?'
A good parlour game for a Sunday.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:49
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

you may have an opinion, but, as previously stated, you have invalidated it. i have had skid marks in my pants in recent weeks whose opinion i have given more credence to

shall i twitter this thread on one of the student protest sites and see if they welcome your opinion?

how old are you? if you are old enough to have a degree, why do you post such immature nonsense?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:51
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
I post what I post because in bores people and generates no reaction whatsoever.
By the way, a number of the things you say in your responses are opinions which you attempt to pass off as facts. Are you aware of that?

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:52
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

do you have dreadlocks 1fanny, and do you live on a large private estate? are you un-loved and feel like an outcast at school? did you not make the 1st XV?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:53
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I love what you hve done to my name. Top humour that [:D]

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 14:53
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"I post what I post because in bores people and generates no reaction whatsoever."

wtf does that mean??!!

"By the way, a number of the things you say in your responses are opinions which you attempt to pass off as facts"

such as...?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 14:55
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Don't be lazy,read your posts and work it out for yourself.
Your 'dreadlocks' comment intrigued me. What were you trying to imply?

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/12/2010 14:56
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Blimey! Someones underpants are on a little too tight today. [:D]

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:00
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

i have not stated any 'fact', so, please enlighten me.

if you dont understand the dreadlocks comment, work it out for yourself

and yes, this thong is getting right up my arse

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:03
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

ok..ok I'll give you just one (and it really was very easy to spot)
You are trying to present a fact by stating my opinion has been invalidated. I think you will find that is an opinion.
Just wondered, on the dreadlock comment, whether you were going for racial stereotyping?

Buddy Posted on 12/12/2010 15:05
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I hope the "violent disorder" charge sticks, because "attempted criminal damage" is about the weakest criminal charge I have ever heard. They could probably have him for "driving less than 5% below the speed limit" as well.

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:05
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Finny, You've just contradicted yourself.

Anubis Posted on 12/12/2010 15:06
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Just wonder why he hasn't been charged then?

He soon will be, by the look of it.


Link: Man arrested

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:07
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Attempted Criminal Damage [:D]
A good use of taxpayers money eh?

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:11
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"You are trying to present a fact by stating my opinion has been invalidated. I think you will find that is an opinion"

that is my opinion, i never stated it as a fact

opinions can be held and also can be invalidated through ignorance or crass stupidity (IMO)

and btw, when has having dreadlocks been a race which i could be intolerant of? some religions favour this hairstyle, but it is not a prerequisite

for the record, i (like you) used to be an anarchistic 'new age hippy' who battled authority just for the sake of it...


...then i grew up

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:14
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I still like that song by the Sex Pistols - do you?

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:15
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

prefer the original

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:15
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"Pretty Vacant", I can understand that.

HarryVegas Posted on 12/12/2010 15:16
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Oh I say! Just logged on, this looks a right old dust up and no mistake! [:D]

I love it when someone gets so angry they become incomprehensible. Ding ding round 2! [:D]

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:17
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Manny - you are really really really funny.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:20
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

well at least manny's humour was intentional, 1finney is just a fcukwit and a mistake

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:22
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Thanks, you arn't.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:23
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
I think you use too much bad language.
It's not big and it's not clever.
I also think, by the way, anyone objective would say my intentional humour was better than Manny's

HarryVegas Posted on 12/12/2010 15:25
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Have to say 1stTC you are coming across as plain abusive like. [V]

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:26
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

that's just your (invalid) opinion though finney

"I also think"- there's a 1st!

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:28
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

You will have seen, by now, it's not just my opinion.
I do lots of thinking. I find it quite stimulating. You ought to try it..... (see what I did there?)

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:29
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

dont really want to have a double duel Harry, but i was rattled by his earlier post. i dont think i have been overly abusive towards finney, certainly no more so than him condoning the defecation of Churchill's statue

finney seems hardy enough to fight his own cyber-battles

Ouroboros Posted on 12/12/2010 15:30
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I knew an anarchist once. I don't think he went to burn the Reishstag last week 'cos his Giro hadn't come.

E-PRIME Posted on 12/12/2010 15:31
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I'm of the opinion that advocating violence against a human is worse than expressing the opinion that someone swinging off a memorial doesn't offend them.

I'm also of the opinion that anyone thirsting for blood to be spilled invalidates their opinion as they are not coming from a moral foundation.

I'm irritated by people that gush with sincerity, fake or otherwise about our armed forces. They may be necessary for our security (only because there are non British armed forces in the world), but people tend to forget that everyone in the armed forces is capable and encouraged to perform state sanctioned murder.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:32
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
'condoning the defecation of Churchill's statue'
Just a small point - what have I said that has led you to conclude that?

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:34
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

E-PRIME,
I served 27 years in the armed forces and in all that time I didn't hear or see anybody encourage someone to murder.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:35
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Manny
Did you meet every single person in the army?
If not your point isn't very helpful.
Thanks for trying tho'

aytonboro Posted on 12/12/2010 15:36
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

he sounded just like a spoilt brat. when interviewed on tv just after he said ' basically weve just been trashing stuff' he probably couldnt give a crap about the students just wanted to let off steam. a hooray henry.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:36
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"I'm not sure there is a crime for ripping a flag off a lump of concrete"

IMO, your statement was tantamount to it. had you condoned that act, you would not have posted the above

that "lump of concrete" represents many things for many people, none of which should be degraded. do you agree?

degsyspesh Posted on 12/12/2010 15:36
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"but people tend to forget that everyone in the armed forces is capable and encouraged to perform state sanctioned murder."

[|)]

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:37
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Finny, I wasn't talking to you was I?

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:39
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"but people tend to forget that everyone in the armed forces is capable and encouraged to perform state sanctioned murder."

encouraged to perform state murder???!!! another pillock joins timmy finney's team

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:40
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Manny
No you were not.
If you want a private conversation though I'd steer clear of this message board. Just a thought like


1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:41
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

that's twice you've 'thought' finny, dont get carried away with yourself fella

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:41
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
I was referring the the cenotaph - not Churchill's statue.

i_am_the_prophet Posted on 12/12/2010 15:42
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

All this uproar about somebody swinging on a flag - ridiculous.

I was flicking the NOTW today at work and there was some "hero" (somebody who got blown to bits in Afghanistan) from the army going on about how people the protester's age being in the army and dying for this country. Typical army philosophy that, like. What the hell does he expect? Everybody to join the army?

Just got his face has been reassembled and he has no legs, does this mean that people cannot voice their opinions and get violent if necessary?

Ouroboros Posted on 12/12/2010 15:42
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Leave it Manny man, you should know that 3 years being a mouthy twŠt with you mates in the Uni bar makes your opinion right on everything.


Link: ^^^^^^^

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:43
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Here you go then Finny I'll help you.

quote "EVERYBODY in the armed forces is encouraged to commit state murder".

Can you now explain why, due to the fact that I haven't met everyone, my point is invalid.

Ishmael Posted on 12/12/2010 15:43
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

If you say 'Your post invalidates any opinion you may have' in a sinister German accent it sounds much funnier without losing any of the essential arrogance

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:44
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

oh, well that's alright then. i'm sure those that gave their tomorrow's for our today's see it just the same

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:46
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Manny
I think you are trying to say no one in the army deliberately commits murder.
You used your own experience to justify that statement.
However, there are lots of people in the army you haven't met. Some of them could be out and out murderers.
That was my point.

degsyspesh Posted on 12/12/2010 15:48
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

finny, are you being intentionally thick or is it accidental?

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 15:48
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"I'm of the opinion that advocating violence against a human is worse than expressing the opinion that someone swinging off a memorial doesn't offend them."

Your welcome to your opinion, but when it's a memorial dedicated to the memories of millions who died in a violent struggle when it wasn't really their fight it's wrong really. Also just because you're not offended doesn't mean others are not, that memorial has real meaning for people with a connection to the armed forces.

"I'm also of the opinion that anyone thirsting for blood to be spilled invalidates their opinion as they are not coming from a moral foundation."

And swinging from a memorial (or pi**ing on a statue) as described above IS a moral foundation? I'm not advocating violence but it's absurd to not recognise what he did as wrong.

"I'm irritated by people that gush with sincerity, fake or otherwise about our armed forces. They may be necessary for our security (only because there are non British armed forces in the world), but people tend to forget that everyone in the armed forces is capable and encouraged to perform state sanctioned murder."

I'm irritated by people who post silly arguments on the internet personally.

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:48
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

FFS sake, read the quote. I wouldn't need to meet every person if that quote was accurate.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:49
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
'i'm sure those that gave their tomorrow's for our today's see it just the same'

I do like that statement. Unless I'm missing something though, aren't they err dead? If so I suspect they are incapable of seeing or feeling.
Or are you, in fact, one of them reincarnated????

HarryVegas Posted on 12/12/2010 15:51
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Come on now finny, you're only making it worse for yourself....[:D]

E-PRIME Posted on 12/12/2010 15:51
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

In 27 years in the forces, nobody ever gave you a gun?

Sending me to some foreign country where there are people trying to shoot me and giving me a gun is encouraging murder in my book. It's an opinion granted, but is easier to understand that all humans are equal and worthy of being treated far more sacredly than a monument.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:52
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Manny
You are right. Just re read it. My responses were way off the mark.
Apologies to you.
You will prob get a ton out of this though[^]

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 15:54
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

those that died, to which the Cenotaph is dedicated to, are dead, yes. there are some living people that had realtives and friends who perished. rumour has it that there are some people, still alive, that cherish the memory of the fallen and honour them.

do you?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 15:55
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Not one iota.

HarryVegas Posted on 12/12/2010 15:56
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

*lights blue touchpaper*[xx(]

degsyspesh Posted on 12/12/2010 16:06
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

finny, what do you feel then towards those who died, did they just waste their lives for no reason - or are you actually quite glad to be living within the freedom that their sacrifice affords us all?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 16:10
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

degsy
I don't feel anything at all towards those that died in the war.
I understand why others do though.
I'm not convinced by any argument that advocates war.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 16:12
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

is the "not one iota" a reply to my question asking if you honour our war dead finny?

BoroAl Posted on 12/12/2010 16:14
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

yay 1st one
right serious now,finny you got any mates in the forces at the minute,or family?if so you might change your "iota" statement if owt happens.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 16:15
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
Yes indeed.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 16:15
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

i think your most recent post answers my question.

i pity you. i would give a thousand finny's for just one moment longer with a fallen soldier, from any war

you are a sorry excuse for an individual

degsyspesh Posted on 12/12/2010 16:15
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I'm assuming that you know the basics of British history over the last century? Would you have preferred the country not to get involved in either World War and just allowed ourselves to be conquered by Germany and all that would have entailed?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 16:18
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Degsy
I have quite a good knowledge of history thank you.
What would have happened, by the way, had we not gone to war?

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 16:19
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

you dont honour our war dead!!!!!!!!!!! [?][?][?][?][?][?][?][?][?][?]

oh dear

then please vacate these fair isles, you know not what you have, my boy

rivals_oldschool Posted on 12/12/2010 16:20
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"I'm not convinced by any argument that advocates war".

Like there was a choice in the matter you mean?
For a lot it wasn't, it was forced upon them by circumstance and they stood up to the challenge.

Lets not beat around the bush here though. Despite the fact it's only Portland stone, I have the good sense out of respect not to swing from it like it's a climbing frame.

I personally hope the little spoilt sh*t gets sent to prison, to have a harsh lesson of what hardship actually is. It certainly isn't his rich dad paying up a non compulsory fee.


The_same_as_before Posted on 12/12/2010 16:20
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Have to agree finny's comment was pretty immature and the lad should have a look at himself

BoroAl Posted on 12/12/2010 16:22
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

operation Sea Lion would have happened finny.

sixtyniner69 Posted on 12/12/2010 16:22
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

no-one was that outraged when 2 senior cleveland police officer went to lithuania that you the taxpayer paid for

then had a meal paid for by taxpayers

then got absolutely drunk possibly paying for this themselves

then urinated on the palace

"Mr Pitt was ordered to pay a fine of 200-litas (£35).
He said he would appeal against the decision by an administrative court in the former Soviet republic.
He told Lithuania's M-1 radio he did not know at the time that the wall in old town Vilnius, the capital, was part of the president's palace."



Link: a square deal club

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 16:24
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Ok ..Operation Sea Lion
And then what?

boroboy1970 Posted on 12/12/2010 16:25
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

In all my years of reading this board, I have never seen such a horrible cretin as finny.
Why don't you XXXXXX off and leave this country you selfish little chit.

BoroAl Posted on 12/12/2010 16:25
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Would you know what the lithuanian palace looked like.When you're english.
Or would you know what the cenotaph looks like if you're english.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 16:25
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

that's a touch irrelevant, surely? every adult knows what the Cenotaph it and what it represents?

BoroAl Posted on 12/12/2010 16:26
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

FINNY ARE YOU RETARDED?

oooooo Posted on 12/12/2010 16:27
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

It's just a XXXXXXing statue, ffs.

Does him hanging off it make the sacrifice of those people who died worth any less? No? Well XXXXXXing get over yourselves.

The apathy on here towards the protesters has been sickening but as soon as something nice and jingoistic hits the news, you're all XXXXXXing tub-thumping patriots.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 16:29
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Boro Al
Res Ipsa Locquitor

rivals_oldschool Posted on 12/12/2010 16:30
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

You don't quite seem to understand the relevance of a cenotaph.

Clue, it's not something to climb.


sixtyniner69 Posted on 12/12/2010 16:31
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"Would you know what the lithuanian palace looked like"

big official building that if i urinated on in public i would get arrested for so doing. I have now passed the test for chief supers pay can i collect 70K a year and complain about a £35 fine. mind you i would expect to be arrested for being drunk and urinating in public on any building in most european cities.

if the bobbies can be let off with a small fine then so should the students

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/12/2010 16:31
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

200 litas equals £35. Sounds about right.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 16:32
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

finny, i'm all for msg board debates to while away a lazy sunday afternoon, but i appeal to your better nature to retract some of what you say. there are posters on here who have served, and posters who have family and friends serving, or have family and friends who have paid the ultimate sacrifice to give you and the students the freedom to protest against whatever you feel is an injustice.

but please, i cannot believe you have so little moral fibre as to not honour our fellow men and women that gave their lives for you to do what you feel is necessary


BoroAl Posted on 12/12/2010 16:33
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

LERN TOO SPEL.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 16:36
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
And therein lies the nub.
They died so we can be free to think for ourselves.
I have different thoughts to you - but that doesn't appear to be ok.

squarewheelbike Posted on 12/12/2010 16:37
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Al, don't you mean, "LERN TOO SPEL TO"! Sorry, but grammers one of my things!

The_same_as_before Posted on 12/12/2010 16:38
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Oooooo you are wrong, check any message I have said on the subject, good lick to the students and kicking off, about time kids fought back.


What finny's wrote was wrong, he knows it, you know it.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 16:39
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

but free thinking for yourself does not mean you have to rubbish the thoughts of those that lay down for you in order that you can think freely. learn to respect, then respect you will receive

E-PRIME Posted on 12/12/2010 16:41
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

So, to be clear.

A) when someone in the forces kills an enemy, it's not murder. It's heroism.

B) wishing death, or worse on someone who swings on a flag is a much more moral position to take than saying that it wasn't particularly offensive to you.

Parp.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 16:42
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1st TC
I'm very happy to hear others thoughts and for them to hold them dearly.
I didn't mean to rubbish anyone for having those thoughts.

1st_time_caller Posted on 12/12/2010 16:46
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

well if you dont mean it finny, dont say it. i get that you're as close to realising you were wrong in some of what you said as is you are ever going to admit to, but ffs, dont jump on every bandwagon that passes, student protest or other

sixtyniner69 Posted on 12/12/2010 16:47
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

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He didn't know it was the cenotaph.
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200 litas equals £35. Sounds about right.

Buddy Posted on 12/12/2010 17:05
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

If finny's going to row back from the notion that jumping on a statue is as near to irrelevant as it gets, can I just reinforce it again please? I'll also add that urinating on a statue of Churchill or Bomber Harris or Nelson Mandela or Mother Theresa should be dealt with in the same way as urinating on the back wall of King's Cross station.

oooooo Posted on 12/12/2010 17:22
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

The_same_as_before, you having sympathy for protesters is all well and good but I'm talking generally here, there's not a whole lot of support in general. Bloody hell, there's not a whole lot of support in my office which is ironic considering I am the only non-graduate there!

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 17:27
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Well I'd say that anyone who both lives off the back of and yet doesn't understand the personal sacrifice that the cenotaph represents probably should take a look at themselves.

In fact I'd go so far as to suggest that someone who knows this and yet is incapable of understanding why people may be upset is trying too hard to be clever.

I think when you can justify violence for example because of what is essentially an annoyance like kettling and then lambasting others for being annoyed at a piece of their cultural memory being mistreated is a tad hypocritical, not mentioning any names though....

BillytheBastard Posted on 12/12/2010 17:30
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

The student in question lives in a democracy and therefore has freedom of speech....
unfortunately freedom of speech is not free, it comes at a terrible terrible price.

oooooo Posted on 12/12/2010 17:35
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

The thing is, Mogga, I see kettling and other methods of repressing protest as far more an affront to what the people died for than someone climbing a statue.


Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 17:42
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I don't like kettling either, I'm not sure it's a bigger affront though given that the circumstances, the protesters over the last few weeks have hardly been angels and in fact one on fmttm was taking joy from how the attack on 30 Millbank (no kettling) intimidated some admin staff. But thats been done to death over the last few days.

Some seem very keen on here to justify every action of the protesters though.

I wonder if it was kettling that forced this lad into swinging from the cenotaph for example.

Holgatewall Posted on 12/12/2010 17:42
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Be prepared for plenty of other groups protesting in the coming months.

The students is only a start.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 17:47
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Mogga - I understand why some are upset.
You, though, don't appear to understand that some of us don't give a foook

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 17:53
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Your right 1finny, I don't understand.

You clearly think your owed everything in life and don't realise the sacrifices others have made on your behalf.

Sure you weren't there to ask, but they weren't asked to do it either, it's not the same as advocating war.

oooooo Posted on 12/12/2010 17:55
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

That's the thing about it, finny. It seems everyone must be sensitive to how upset people are going to get over it but those people condemn everyone else for not being as angry as them.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 17:56
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Mogga
I don't think I'm owed anything from anyone.
I think that kind of philosophy is regressive.

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 17:58
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

No one is condemning anyone for not being angry about it, rather finny has took the pish and said some downright stupid things.

Furthermore, if you don't care why come on a thread about it to point out your none-feelings?

Trying to be clever again there 1finny?

It's not.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:01
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I do it because I don't want anyone to react.

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 18:03
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"I do it because I don't want anyone to react"

You've never heard of the Streisand effect then.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:06
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Yes am familiar with it.
It's irrelevant in this instance though.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/12/2010 18:08
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

'then please vacate these fair isles, you know not what you have, my boy'

Very interesting comment.

Our ancestors fought a war in order to continue on the path towards democracy. The government immediately afterwards following then established that those fighting would have access to decent housing, medicine and education.

Since that time, the right wing of the country have been fighting to get back to what we had before the war. Well supported by working class idiots who have stood shoulder to shoulde with the people who had those very ancestors living in poverty.

Hang your heads in shame, you've not only deserted those that fought your cause, you've deserted your class. The democracy that was fought for is what you're standing aganst.

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 18:10
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

No you hadn't heard of it, and now you've googled it, you don't understand the underlying concept behind it.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:18
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Mogga
When you ask a question you normally want to know the answer.
Those that ask a question, don't like the honest answer so answer the way they want are a little narrow minded me thinks.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 12/12/2010 18:20
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

He studied HISTORY at Cambridge

Just another left-wing prat who wanted an excuse to riot

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 18:25
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"Those that ask a question, don't like the honest answer so answer the way they want are a little narrow minded me thinks."

Those that intellectually posture to justify a stupid position are still justifying a stupid opinion.

All style - no substance.

It's also not up to you to decide whether anyone has to like your 'answers' which in fact seems to be what you really have a problem with.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:28
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Mogga
I don't have any problems. I have an opinion which is different to yours. They fought so I could have that didn't they?

joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 18:29
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Finny, in your opinion, what alternative should Britain have persued rather than war with Germany in 1939?


1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:31
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

jaw jaw not war war

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 18:33
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

"I do it because I don't want anyone to react."

"They fought so I could have that didn't they?"

You don't want people to have opinion's different to yours though.

"They fought so I could have that didn't they?"

Further to that, I'd say relying on an argument you don't agree with to justify your opinion is a rather odd fallacy.

"jaw jaw not war war"

Was that an option for the Jews?


joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 18:33
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Even though Germany was ruled by a meglomaniac who wanted and indeed tried to exterminate an entire race?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:34
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

You are allowed to think it is odd.
I think it is legitimate.
That's the beauty of the freedom you are so passionate about.

joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 18:37
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Would you have continued to try and talk when millions of jews were being gassed?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:38
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Joshie
There is an argument that says if we had engaged in 'meaningful' dialogue at an earlier stage Hitler would not have done what he did.

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 18:39
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Ah, so you don't know what a fallacy is either.

Admitting your basing your argument on a fallacy is the same as admitting you're wrong.

You might as well have just said, "I 1finny, am wrong. I simply can't justify my stance, I in fact know it to be wrong but I'm sticking with it anyway because I've invested too much of my ego in it."

Manny-Being-Manny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:39
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Now I know you're on a wind-up.

joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 18:40
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Do you think he wouldnt have done so, realistically?

His ideals were set out in Mein Kampf.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:41
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Mogga
No ego here.
And, I trust you are all aware of the british persecution of Jews and other races throughout history and find that ok.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:41
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

joshie
I didn't say I subscribed to the argument. I just said there was one.

joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 18:42
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I didnt say you did, just asked your opinion?

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 18:42
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

No I don't finny, but you seeming to think it's ok to airbrush it out of your argument leaves some serious questions about how far you'll go to justify a stance.

To be fair joshie did ask you what you'd do, and I thought you were all about honest answers...

sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 12/12/2010 18:44
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

If you're talking about bombing the XXXXXX out of Germany in 1938 as meaningful dialogue then you correct.

norfolkred1 Posted on 12/12/2010 18:47
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

1938 [rle]

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 18:57
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Joshie
there is probably more evidence to suggest he would have. So, on balance, that is what I think.

joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 19:05
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Evidence that he would have refrained from exterminating the jews do you mean?

If you do, what evidence of that is there, I am genuinely interested.


1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 19:08
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

No, sorry Joshie.
I believe he probably would have.

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 19:10
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

So you don't think a war to stop a genocide is ok then finny?

degsyspesh Posted on 12/12/2010 19:13
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Finny: "........What would have happened, by the way, had we not gone to war?"

Good question which brings about a beautiful irony in that thankfully neither you nor I will ever know.

Millions of this country's servicemen were killed to provide us with a freedom so that little pricks like you and your like could live there sheltered cotton wool clad lives and come on here and pontificate that it all means nothing to them. Thankfully there are others in this country that are somewhat more enlightened.

You are a pathetic hypocritical waste of skin, hopefully one day you will grow up....

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 19:17
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Mogga
Very interesting point.
Firstly, when we went to war I don't believe the plight of the jews was high on our agenda at all. It was more about self interest.
Also we, allegedly, comitted our fair share of 'jewish genocide' after they were 'liberated'.

joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 19:19
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Given that you think this would have happened, would you then have continued to talk with hitler?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 19:20
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Yes

joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 19:23
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Even though he was putting millions of people to horrific deaths, subjugating nation after nation and treating them as little better than slave labour?

At no point, no matter how horrific his crimes became, would you have countenanced war as an option?

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 19:30
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I was going down the same route as joshie actually.

You don't have the luxury of not knowing, you know and would have condemned millions of innocent people to death?

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 19:30
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

You are right this is a delicate one.
Lets assume, for a moment, I agree with you and you should go to war to prevent genocide.

The difficulty I have here is where do you stop? Blair had a view that we should take the moral highground and took us into wars for that very reason. I don't believe the ends have justified the means.
Then there is the hypcrisy of 'which genocide' do you think is bad enough to go to war.
Clearly not Rwanda or Sudan.
We are also not really bothered about the Palestinians either.
See my point?

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 12/12/2010 19:32
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I think we should have picked our wars better.

But it doesn't strengthen your argument at all about ww2.

joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 19:34
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

Thats a whole different discussion.

If we assume that you do agree, arent the people who fought in a war which did stop an ongoing genocide, not worthy of every decent persons respect, given many of them made the ultimate sacrifice?

king_hellfire Posted on 12/12/2010 19:36
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

'certainly no more so than him condoning the defecation of Churchill's statue'



I'm pretty sure no one would condone that.
Even defecating a souvenir ornament of Churchill's statue would leave your ŗrsehole looking like a Flanders poppy, ie. blood red and shot to pieces.

1finny Posted on 12/12/2010 19:37
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I like what you did there.
You have also been quite perjorative about anyone disagreeing with your proposition.
I think it is horrible young people got killed and that is where it stops for me.

joshie Posted on 12/12/2010 19:44
He didn't know it was the cenotaph.

I dont agree I have been perjorative at all but thats your opinion which you are entitled to.

Mine is that in certain situations war is a neccessary evil to defend against meglomaniac evil nations or leaders.

Those people who do fight and die for others freedom in such circumstances are worthy of the greatest respect, giving their lives so others can live in peace and freedom.