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TheBoy007 Posted on 10/12/2010 20:59
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....should be done for attempted murder. But no dout the Police will close ranks and we'll never know who did it.

I know a few Coppers in the Met Riot section. I can only speak for them but they love a 'kick off'. Football Hoolies, May Day riots, Students ect, they actually look forward to it! They love the buzz thats why they do it (and the overtime[;)]).

Boro_Dave91 Posted on 10/12/2010 21:10
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They should batter the rest of the protesters instead of going to prison [^]

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:11
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Boro Dave
Poor, very poor [V]

BoroAl Posted on 10/12/2010 21:12
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I'm surprised it was only 1 truncheon,after they were assaulted by students throwing fence posts, rocks,and bits of fence at them.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 21:16
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Lets get this right..... Let all the protesters do what they want and let the police just stand by and do fuk all ?????

I'd shoot the bastads

joebonano Posted on 10/12/2010 21:19
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I'd like to see the old water cannon come out personally.

TheBoy007 Posted on 10/12/2010 21:20
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So anyone who protests is fair game for a baton over the head, a blood clot on the brain and 3 hour life saving operation???? Democracy my @rse!!

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:21
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I see the right wing intelligentsia are out tonight.
'Don't speak up or we will do you' eh?

yozzer_hughes Posted on 10/12/2010 21:21
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I dont agree that police should use excessive force(truncheons etc) but why cant water cannons be brought in and blast the trouble causing tw4ts off their feet with freezing cold water.....if they happened to get a mild dose of hypothermia in this weather then so be it !!

hicktonsrunup Posted on 10/12/2010 21:21
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instead of protesting why dont they get a part time job they cant be that short of money

hicktonsrunup Posted on 10/12/2010 21:24
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maybe they were hoping for a water cannon. some of them looked like they could do with a good wash

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:24
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errr cos there aint enough jobs?

BoroAl Posted on 10/12/2010 21:25
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Were the police trashing London,Did the police cause a multi thousand pound clean up operation,Did the police throw things at the royal family,did the police,cost the taxpayer thousands of pounds?Was it the students?
If yes to any of these questions,please explain your reasons.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 21:26
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If they were law abiding then they wud'nt need excessive force...... Most of the fukers are just there to cause some trouble ( non students) Shoot the chunts

TheBoy007 Posted on 10/12/2010 21:27
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I've never been a massive fan of the student lifestyle but fair play to them they've got out there and took direct action. Also for the vast majority protesting these policies won't affect them, they're protesting for future generations, pretty selfless.

hicktonsrunup Posted on 10/12/2010 21:27
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spot on boro al

joebonano Posted on 10/12/2010 21:28
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Nobody has a problem with a peaceful noisy protest-that is what democracy is all about.Attacking the police with missiles and sticks etc vandalising buildings and in some cases acting like fcuking animals I'm afraid is going to end up with a forceful response.
It must be patently obvious to the nuggets in the NUS that these demonstrations in London have now become a vehicle for every anarchist,trouble maker and hooligan who wants to have a go at the police to congregate and start trouble.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 21:29
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"If they were law abiding then they wud'nt need excessive force"

Having attended several protests myself in the past, I can safely say that you are talking absolute sh*te.

I was met with 'excessive force' on a couple of occasions and all I did was turn up.

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:29
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Boro Al
The police didn't trash London. Just beat up some innocent kids.

NedKat Posted on 10/12/2010 21:29
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The police are supposed to 'contain' the situation, not go out there simply to crack a few heads open !!

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 21:31
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Well Viv when the trouble starts just get out of the way easy as that... Are you trying to tell me people dont just go there for the trouble ???? XXXXXX boolix .... Its a good excuse to fight the police

Like i said shoot the chunts

BoroAl Posted on 10/12/2010 21:31
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So police are allowed,nay,supposed to take all the violence,given to them,ie some were hospitalised,and not try to keep public order by saying please go home,I wish to do the same.

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:32
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Red
Even the Met recognise it is a small minority.
Yer a bit extreme fella

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 21:33
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Contain the situation FFS

Laughable

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 21:33
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redisameancolour - You fail to see the point I was making, which doesn't surprise me.

We were met with 'excessive force' on arrival. No 'trouble' had taken place.

could_it_be Posted on 10/12/2010 21:35
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i'm quite anti-police due to how they go about their business but form what i've seen these XXXXXXs deserve all they get

anyone proclaiming to be innocent should have thought about attaching themsleves to a protest that was bound to end up the way it did

basically the students are protesting about having to pay their way in the world

how awful, least there getting a lesson in reality form the off instead of getting a nasty shock when they leave with a 2:2 in media studies or whatever only to find that the heads of HR from every self respecting multinational hasn't personally visited them at home to beg them to join their organisation

TheBoy007 Posted on 10/12/2010 21:35
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The trouble flared when the Police decided to charge 14-15 year olds with half ton horses. I'm not suprised the Students got miffed and hurled a few things back.

BoroAl Posted on 10/12/2010 21:35
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I have 1 kid at Durham,and 1 kid at Manchester,If they were involved in that I would tell them in no uncertain terms NOOOOOOOOOOO.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 21:35
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Extreem ? Think you hit the nail on the head by saying A MINORITY..... Unfortunatly the police get SLATED for using force on a minority....... Hooligans who deserve a good hiding .....

BoroAl Posted on 10/12/2010 21:37
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What were these perfectly innocent 14-15??? yr olds doing,drinkng ginger beer and eating cake?
Oh and shouldn't they have been at SCHOOl not university?

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 21:37
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They didn't use 'force' exclusively on those involved in the disorder though, did they. They used it on anyone and everyone. Again.

I don't know why you can't grasp that, to be honest.

hicktonsrunup Posted on 10/12/2010 21:38
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14-15 year old students..am i missing something here

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:38
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Red
The police violence is as indiscrimanate as the violence by the student trouble makers.
They are equally as bad..... except one lot gets paid for it [V]

wild7690 Posted on 10/12/2010 21:40
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im suprised at how many people on here are so close minded. your happy someone had their head caved in? sat behind your keyboard saying shoot em when so few are there to be violent. those who attended will not be affected by this, they are protesting for future generations. im not saying i agree with those through snooker balls and fences etc but so few turned up for trouble. its your right to protest and to say people should be shot for using this right is pathetic.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 21:40
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" you fail to see the point which does'nt suprise me "

Oh yeah its always the police who start it i forgot......

Why does it suprise you by the way ???


BoroAl Posted on 10/12/2010 21:40
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Finny,do you think this "protest" will affect you,if not shut the XXXXXX up?

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:42
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boro al
let the students speak, let me speak... its ok you know.
I hope the protest does affect me by encouraging more people to protest next year to show their anger at what is happening at the moment.

TheBoy007 Posted on 10/12/2010 21:45
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"basically the students are protesting about having to pay their way in the world"

Buts thats were you are wrong. For the vast majority of the protesters this policy won't effect them. They are protesting out of principle.

Why shouldn't education be free? Why shouldn't anyone from any background have the right to a free education without the shadow of huge debt hanging over their head. People seem to be missing the point. This is about people from poor to modest backgrounds being able to feel as though they can get an education and move on in life. The 6000-9000 a year cost will scare alot of people off. If you can't see that then you're obviously detached from the real world.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 21:47
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"shoot the chunts"

Anyone who sits and types that out is either a)someone who takes thinks it's ok to kill people, b)as thick as pigsh*t, or c)both of those things.

The police are not blameless. That is the point people are making. On occasion, I think they enjoy the confrontation. Not all of them, of course, but some of them clearly do.

Next time there is a protest on you should get yourself there so you can at least attempt to construct something in the way of an informed opinion. You might learn a thing or two, and maybe even think twice about coming out with such reactionary rubbish on a message-board.



HarryVegas Posted on 10/12/2010 21:47
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BoroAl, by your logic, you should shut the XXXX up too, yes?

hicktonsrunup Posted on 10/12/2010 21:49
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what next. degree in graffiti, B.A Hons in rioting

TheBoy007 Posted on 10/12/2010 21:50
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"14-15 year old students..am i missing something here"

Hickton you obviuosly are. If you don't know that school children attended this protest then you havn't been watching the news or rading the papers(except the Sport).

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 21:50
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Tell you what let the police stand with loudspeakers asking the "troublemakers" to be good boys and girls and all go home..... Let them get pelted with snooker balls and rocks or whatever....... Then if they dont comply let the police just leave them to it....... "well we tried to be reasonable with them but they are just too naughty "

Lets see what would happen if the police just went home

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:51
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Red
At last.... something constructive.
Its not as ridiculous as you think you know.

BoroAl Posted on 10/12/2010 21:52
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Harry Vegas,I have 2 more kids who will go to uni in the future so I think I have a right to be in this debate.So na na na na na[;)]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 21:54
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That's the thing with some people. It's either 'shoot the chunts' or 'let the police go home and see what happens'.

From one extreme to the other, with nothing in between. No time for thought, or sense. Just blow their heads off with a gun. Or do nothing.

If only you realised how ridiculous you sound.

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:55
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Boro Al
Potentially round 60k worth of debt for you and yours. Happy?

TheBoy007 Posted on 10/12/2010 21:55
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Can't wait till next spring. Its gonna kick reet off!!!

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 21:55
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Viv i've been at protests but on the other side...... I know what the score is..... Your point on enjoying confrontation is way off the mark...... unfortunatly they are trained for confrontation because of all the knobs around....... If you think people enjoy going to work to fight then its YOU who as thick as pigXXXXXX my friend


Your point of me learning a thing or two is old hat my son

1finny Posted on 10/12/2010 21:57
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Red
You are generalising
Some coppers do enjoy it. I know.

HarryVegas Posted on 10/12/2010 21:58
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Red the coppers who enjoy a ruck are definitely out there, I've met them.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 21:59
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Ah, a policeman on here advocating shooting people. I'll sleep a little better knowing that.

I sincerely hope you're not a part of the constabulary at the moment.

Have you watched any of the footage of the protests? Are you seriously telling me that the police are blameless?

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 21:59
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All police i know personally dont like to come to work to fight....... talking from the inside here by the way...... Yeah it has to happen but believe me its not done for the joy of it

BoroAl Posted on 10/12/2010 22:00
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Its 25k now mate.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:03
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Viv i doubt anything i say will change your blinkered opinion..... I hope you do sleep well..... Dont forget its because of the policing system you do actually sleep well.... Maybe one day you will appreciate what the police actually do ....... But maybe not

HarryVegas Posted on 10/12/2010 22:05
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Red I don't think any of us are anti police per se, just anti police attacking innocent people and personally, kettling.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 22:09
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My opinion is not blinkered, it's formed from my own experiences with the police.

Have I met a decent, helpful and honest police officer? Yes.

Have I been on the end of 'excessive force' for no reason? Kettled? Deprived of my basic Human Rights without just cause? Yes.

I understand what the police do. The majority go about their job in very difficult circumstances and are probably good people. The minority, however, don't.

Much like the protesters, actually.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 22:10
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"I don't think any of us are anti police per se, just anti police attacking innocent people and personally, kettling."

[^]

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:12
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Innocent people FFS

Ok whatever........ eveyone has their opinion and regardless of facts people will stick to them...... Its come to the point where its not worth debating



Everyone at some point will rely on the police for something then just for that one occasion they will respect them....... Enough said

HarryVegas Posted on 10/12/2010 22:14
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Red go on youtube, it's there - riot copper punching a protester who was trying to get out of the way.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:16
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" The majority go about their job in difficult circumstances "


They ALL go about their job in difficult circumstances


And i'm not even going to debate the issue of "Human Rights"

You just dont know you really dont

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 22:17
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Yes, they ARE innocent.

Running away from the debate when your arguments seem to be treading water. Like I said, it's one extreme to the other with some people.


viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 22:18
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I meant the majority of the police go about their job in very difficult circumstances in the correct manner. I think you knew that was what I meant.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:22
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Treading Water ????

Ok you have your opinions and I have mine.... we will never agree regardless....

Its Two totally different perspectives that we both obviously feel strongly about..... Call it a day...... I'll continue to back what the police do in their job as i feel they do a terrific job and you will continue to knock it...... so i think we are at a stalemate

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 22:22
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Are you Old Bill Red?

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:24
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I dont need to answer that i feel

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 22:25
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You seem to think i'm knocking the police force as a whole. I'm not. I'm disagreeing with some of their actions/tactics on some of the protests i've been on, and the protests of the last few weeks. There is a difference.

Read what i'm saying properly before you make such assumptions, because you're wrong.

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 22:27
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Well if you are, then I think this commemt to the OP is quite shocking:-


'I'd shoot the bastads '

joshie Posted on 10/12/2010 22:30
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Barring some unforseen, extraordinairy event I would never rely on the police for anything.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:30
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Like i said you have your opinions and i have mine...... I actually do respect your opinions believe it or not but i disagree with alot of things that are said about the Laws hard line tactics...... Snooker balls, stones etc etc An occupational hazard i guess

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:31
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Joshie what a great attitude

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 22:32
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So you'd shoot them?

al1948uk Posted on 10/12/2010 22:33
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Has anyone seen the film 'Taking Liberties'?

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 10/12/2010 22:33
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Put Newsnight on. They're leading with police tactics tonight.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:33
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Chorley people are allowed to have an opinion outside the job you know......

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:35
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Tongue in cheek comment..... Its against the law to shoot someone without good cause

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 22:37
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But you'd like to?

borolad259 Posted on 10/12/2010 22:37
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There were two young lasses on the Yorkshire Look North just now who had been kettled yesterday. They were struck with batons for pleading to be allowed out of the kettle to catch their bus home. They looked about 16, and more interested in hair strighteners than civil disorder.
It's a failed strategy and it will lead to a generation of law abiding kids viewing the Police with mistrust.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/12/2010 22:40
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They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Amongst many student protesters there were a collection of people hell bent on causing serious disorder.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:41
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Would i like to ?? Interesting point.....

borolad259 Posted on 10/12/2010 22:41
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So, using intelligence and efficient force, target them.

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 22:44
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Or would you just prefer to brain some young lad, like say Alfie Meadows, who has just survived surgery for bleeding on the brain?

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:45
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Whats your point Chorley ??????

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/12/2010 22:47
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Its all about cause and reaction; if this demonstration was a peaceful one , then we wouldn't be debating the result.

Not all the protesters were violent, but many were and thats the telling point.

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 10/12/2010 22:47
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Targeting the troublemakers riles the crowd up as much as kettling does....

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 22:48
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Point is my friend, another one of your collegues is most likely to get away with attempted murder....AGAIN

Why target the head?

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/12/2010 22:49
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CP, I doubt you are qualified to know what constitutes attempted murder.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:49
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AGAIN ? I dont even want to debate anything with you MY FRIEND...... FFS

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 22:51
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Clueless totally clueless..... Know the facts MY FREIND before you Condemn someone

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 22:55
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The FACT is, he was leaving a 'kettle' to go home when a thug in a uniform brained him.

No doubt no blame will be administored by our fine boys in blue. AGAIN

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/12/2010 23:01
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CP, I think more people would take your posts seriously if the spelling was correct.

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 23:01
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Jonny Ingbar....do you REALLY need to be 'qualified' to understand attempted murder?

..and what's spelling got to do with owt?

foggysfplandiet Posted on 10/12/2010 23:07
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If they had brought in the water cannon they could have washed down Charles and Camilla's car afterwards.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/12/2010 23:08
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Yes, in answer to your first question and credibility in answer to your second.

Just trying to help [^]

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 23:10
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Chorley your a total knob who knows nothing about the law..... get off your high horse with your attitude of hating the police....... embarrassing

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 23:10
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Just trying to be a tool more like.

..and I certainly dont need help from you, as I am doing quite well in life thank you.

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 23:13
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Red, I am not hating anyone...only replying with the correct version of events to the OP.
Until you came out with 'I'd shoot the bastads', which , one finding out your OB, made me think your unhinged.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 23:13
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one day i really do hope you need my help..... and your doing a real good job of being a tool

go to bed FFS

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/12/2010 23:14
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"as I am doing quite well in life thank you"

Not from where I'm sitting.

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 23:22
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WOW, Didnt think it would take this long for the insults to come out copper [:D]

Jonny, where your sat is a million miles from me mate.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 23:25
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Grow up Chorley FFS

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 10/12/2010 23:25
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You're, not 'your' [^][:D]

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 23:31
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Cheers Jonny, your a great help.
I'll bear that in mind before I take on my next huge contract.

HarryVegas Posted on 10/12/2010 23:31
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Red sorry mate, but you're telling someone else to grow up, when you - a policeman - made a 'joke' about 'shooting the bastods'?! Get real. [V]

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 23:35
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Harry if you took the time to read all my posts i did happen to say it was a tongue in cheek remark which i can make when i'm at home .......opinions opinions.......


foggysfplandiet Posted on 10/12/2010 23:38
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"Can't wait till next spring. Its gonna kick reet off!!!"

Boy007; proper little hard-case cyberwarrior aren't you? I bet if it ever did "kick reet off" and you were in the vicinity you'd run for mummy as fast as you could.

Boy by name, little boy by nature. Grow up, son.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 23:40
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Cant believe i'm actually debating with so many anti police baffoons who have no idea about the law.......

HarryVegas Posted on 10/12/2010 23:40
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Red - been reading and responding to your posts all night. It still remains you seem to think it's ok for you to be flippant but not those with whom you don't agree.

joshie Posted on 10/12/2010 23:43
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My attitude is based upon my experience of the police.

They tend to be corrupt, thuggish, deceitful and contemptuous towards the people they are paid to serve, in the main and I wouldnt trust them at all.

As far the students, or at least pretend students, who decided to deface Winston Churchill's statue and the cenotaph, give them big clowns shoes and make them walk through afghan minefields, scum.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 23:48
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Joshie well why not get a protest sorted to get rid of the police..... If they cant be trusted whats the point of having them ? Then there can be a big free for all on all our streets

Let the criminals run the country


chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 23:51
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Criminals are running the country.

joshie Posted on 10/12/2010 23:51
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I would rather have nothing whatsoever to do with them as wouldnt want to be beaten up, set up or plagued by them.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 23:52
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Waste of time trying to reason with some of you people it really is........ you stick with our opinion and i'll stick with mine... end of

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 23:54
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Joshie you really are a total knob.... go to bed you idiot

people like you boil my pi55

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 23:54
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example.

My lad 28 was stopped in his BMW last week by OB. He was verbally abused and constantly asked where he was hiding drugs. Searched his motor and then buggered of without as much as a sorry.

Utter XXXXXXas

chorleyphil Posted on 10/12/2010 23:56
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Why is he a total nob?
Because he does'nt agree with you?

'Chorley your a total knob who knows nothing about the law'

there you go again!!! In fact, I probably know more about the 'law' than the average copper.

anterimus Posted on 10/12/2010 23:56
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Eduction should be free! So who pays the lecturers wages, for the facilities, the running costs etc etc. Johny taxpayer ? Whats wrong with students having to pay 20 odd quid a month when they start earning. They save that in tax and N.I if they work while studying.

joshie Posted on 10/12/2010 23:57
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Reasonable, well thought out response, wouldnt expect anything else from a police apologist.

Good night.

redisameancolour Posted on 10/12/2010 23:58
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Chorley total bollix i dont believe a word of it



Tell you what here's an example then :

Police went round to an old persons house when the snow was real bad....They went shopping for her and cleaned her path and made sure she was ok.... they paid for her shopping too.........

dodger Posted on 10/12/2010 23:59
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ACAB [:D]

chorleyphil Posted on 11/12/2010 00:00
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anterimus

different subject mate. This is about police violence.

TeessideCleveland Posted on 11/12/2010 00:01
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There are obviously police who are out of line but I have no sympathy with the thugs going around trashing and causing mayhem

Maybe students should just pay the full cost of their education and ease the burden on us taxpayers

If the trouble caused here was by 'people' attaching themselves to football there would be universal condemnation of their actions

chorleyphil Posted on 11/12/2010 00:02
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Youre a copper, you wouldnt!

dodger Posted on 11/12/2010 00:03
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Did "us taxpayers" pay for your education TC ?

TeessideCleveland Posted on 11/12/2010 00:06
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My parents paid tax - and I am paying tax now
Like any NHS treatment I get - I pay tax and National Insurance so it is not free
Like watching TV - us taxpayers pay for the BBC whether we watch it or not so Sky etc are not the only pay per view channels

joshie Posted on 11/12/2010 00:06
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Workers from the company I worked for cleared the paths around an old peoples home as they could see people struggling entering and leaving it.

None of the workers from the same company hit an innocent member of the public from behind on his way home who died shortly afterwards.

redisameancolour Posted on 11/12/2010 00:08
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police violence laughable


nothing wrong with people being violent towards the police then ? Thats acceptable is it ? The ignorance in this world amazes me ....... I rest my case as it seems the hatred of the police on here is massive..... Pathetic excuses of human beings you really are..... i hope your one day in need of an officer when your in trouble just so you can see past your blinkers they do actually do a terrific job

i leave shaking my head in disbelief i really do

dodger Posted on 11/12/2010 00:10
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Your parents should claim a rebate , wtf are you talking about?

Don't students parents pay tax?

TeessideCleveland Posted on 11/12/2010 00:15
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Myabe they should claim a rebate dodger
I am stupidly saying education above 18 should be not be paid for through taxation - not all education

chorleyphil Posted on 11/12/2010 00:17
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Actually Red, nobody has condoned violence toward the police, stop getting agitated or you'll not sleep.

Diasboro_Dan Posted on 11/12/2010 00:17
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They should only batter football hoolies. If your parents are middle class you have the right to riot unharmed.

redisameancolour Posted on 11/12/2010 00:19
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Ill sleep well no worries about that

chorleyphil Posted on 11/12/2010 00:21
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Good, sleep well Red. It's been fun [;)]


UTB

dodger Posted on 11/12/2010 00:24
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They have snatched EMA off under 18's from poor families , 30 a week taken off them to help with fares , books , meals etc.

Corporations avoid billions in liable tax with the full knowledge of the gov't , they don't close the loopholes , better to take it off the poor and saddle the kids with debt.

The banks keep on laughing.

chorleyphil Posted on 11/12/2010 00:28
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I actually agree with the EMA cut Dodger.
It really should be the same for all.

2nd and 3rd parts are spot on though![^]

dodger Posted on 11/12/2010 00:37
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EMA is for kids from low income families, family income under 15k and the kids get 30 a week to help with their studies, they could get more on the dole.

The worst part of all this imo.


chorleyphil Posted on 11/12/2010 00:46
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I know blokes who are earning shedloads but operate as Ltd's and there kids claim EMA.

Its flawed.

Maybe it should be paid to all kids at college though, but that may irk 'the taxpayers'

dodger Posted on 11/12/2010 00:53
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I know blokes on minimum wage and their kids are losing EMA , it is supposed to be means tested.

chorleyphil Posted on 11/12/2010 00:56
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If you have a Ltd co, then you do earn a 'minimum wage salary'

dodger Posted on 11/12/2010 01:07
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All in it together mate [xx(]

OPEO Posted on 11/12/2010 06:33
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Want, want, want. = Tory

TheBoy007 Posted on 11/12/2010 10:25
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To be fair neither side are innocent. Its pretty obvious that the vast majority of students want peaceful protests, the fact that they get highjacked by people hell bent on violence is not their fault, but, its too their benefit. Without the violence this would just be another flag waving student demo. The papers would give it a paragraph or two alongside some shyte about X Factor. The violence has made it news, the violence and the way it demonstrated strngth of feeling made Lib Dem MPs think twice about voting for the policy, and most important the violence made it front page news.

I predict that we'll look back on this as a mere skirmish when compared to whats going to happen next spring.

As for the Coppers. I have several memebers of my family in the Police and they do a grand job. But we all know that they are some thugs in the Police. These thugs seem to gravitate to the Met and the Riot Squad. I personally know two members of the Met who deal with riots and they are quite open about the fact that they love it. They actually look forward to big London derbys because "there's nearly always a kick off". They see it as an excuse to crack a few knuckles and skulls. Removing their badge numbers is "standard procedere". Ok not all are this way inclined but the few who are give the rest a bad name and foster resentment towards the Police.

The charge with Horses was idiotic and just poured petrol on the flames. I'm not even sure what they were trying to achieve with it other than intimidation. It had the opposite effect and made people angry and braver, surely the opposite of what they wanted?

JonMc Posted on 11/12/2010 10:28
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This is the game. It was a game when I played it in the 80s and it's a game now.

Protest tactics are to break away from agreed routes in order to drag police all over the shop. Escalation.
Police respond with kettling (pah) to keep everyone together. Further escalation.
Some protesters respond with violence which results in even further escalation.

Protesters have to come to terms with the consequences of these tactics. They might cry foul but it is merely part of the game.



MightyDuck Posted on 11/12/2010 10:37
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if the protesters are happy to smash shops and cars up, throw fire extinguishers off roofs and use heras fencing as battering rams into police shields, i think the police have enough reason to use force against them. i'd also have the water cannons out.

if this was any other country, lots of the students would have been shot by now

TheBoy007 Posted on 11/12/2010 10:38
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I agree that the protest has to be kept together. You can't have groups of a hundred or so people running all over London causing chaos. But the individual Police have to use common sense (maybe they need better training), they have to allow people to leave the kettle in a controlled manner. They can't be turning away 14-15 year old girls who want to catch their bus home. It seems a deliberate tactic to put the less hardened protesters off coming back. The Police also have a duty to protect people who want to protest peacefully. At the moment they are grossly failing in protecting anyone and i think their hardline tactics are at fault.

Also the individual Policeman/woman should be held to account for their actions. They have rules of engagement and if they don't adhere they should feel the full force of the law in the same way the protesters who overstepped the mark should. If a protester committed criminal damaged he should be charged with it, if a Copper committed GBH he should be charged with it.

r00fie Posted on 11/12/2010 10:39
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They only do that to innocent Brazilians in the UK........

undercover_copper Posted on 11/12/2010 10:41
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Didn't take long to start bobby bashing did it LOL No wonder so many of my colleagues want to leave.

In my experience, and I have policed a number of events around the country there are 3 main types of protestor.

1 Peacefull protestor, these will attend make their point and leave if trouble starts.
2 Protestors hell bent on trouble, these arrive prepared for trouble, pads weapons face coverings etc Their sole aim is to inflame the situation and have a pop at the system.
3 Someone who is attending but doesn't really know why, but hey lets go and see what all the hype is about and have a good day.

Line up on the day, Police lines, number 3, number 2 and then number 1. The number 2's have been doing this a long time and they will NEVER put themselves in range of a baton. They will whip the number 3's into a frenzy and then push them into police lines. They will do this by portable music systems or chanting. The music generally has a very deep rythmic beat or they will use rythmic chanting, when the chanting gets faster and faster then stand by because it will happen! Once this happens crowd dynamics dictate the rest. Please sir don't do that will not cut it anymore. Yes batons are drawn and used, are they used correctly? This is down to individual officers to JUSTIFY. I have used my baton in situations like this but only at arms and legs and only when I've needed to.

You must also remember that a number of these officers will never have dealt with anything like this before and have only received the smallest amount of training. Although many of them won't admit it but they are scared/ terrified. Remember not all officers are in their 30's and 40's, most of these have left. The majority of those officers in London will have been in their twenties.

Make up of the crowd wil be about 20% Idiots, 30% Lets have a look 50% Peacefull protestors.

There are also good and bad in the police, and I have personnaly seen one officer hit another with his baton after one has gone over the top, that is a fact but I won't put it in capitals.

This is just my opinion and in fairness I'm not trying to change any opinions just a bit more info on how I see these events.


TheBoy007 Posted on 11/12/2010 10:42
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"if this was any other country, lots of the students would have been shot by now"

France? Germany? Sweden? Norway? Holland? Australia? New Zealand? ect ect

I don't think so.

mowgli69 Posted on 11/12/2010 10:44
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Just seen one of the organizers on the news slamming the police violence, but refusing to condemn student violence....
Apparently the royal protection officers were just about to draw guns on some of these protestors....then how bad would this have been? How would we all have felt if our future king had been harmed?

It's sad....but we all know that a peaceful march through London would not have got anywhere near as much attention, and we all know there's no such thing as bad press..


r00fie Posted on 11/12/2010 10:47
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"Future king". We dont need one.

TartanSmogmonster Posted on 11/12/2010 10:53
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A thread that has attracted much interest.

A thread about a student who was very obviously in the front line, attacking Police lines, otherwise why was he within easy reach of a baton.

I don't recall seeing a thread about a threat to a Police officer's life after a fire extinguisher was dropped 100ft into their lines.

A baton strike or a 15lb missile, not much of an aption really.

Undercover copper, you talk sense, unlike some on this thread. Believe me, until you've been in the front line, out numbered 20 to 1, you're not in a position to comment.

HarryVegas Posted on 11/12/2010 10:57
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UC thanks for your balanced input. [^] What are your views on kettling and charging with horses?

Marc_Feld Posted on 11/12/2010 10:59
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Why do policemen who maim or even kill protestors or innocent bystanders never face punishment?
They know who killed Blair Peach.
The policeman who assaulted Ian Tomlinson and caused injuries that contributed to his death has been named.
Liddle Towers even.

Why are they never brought to book?

r00fie Posted on 11/12/2010 11:00
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"why was he being charged with a baton"? Because they were "charging" at innocent unarmed young people. The British Police are underpinned by a battalion who stop at nothing to break up protests and freedom of speech.

micksgrill Posted on 11/12/2010 11:06
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if youre at the front of the mob in a protest when its kicking off, then theres a high chance your there for one thing - to be kicking off yourself - and not peaceful protesting. So if youre prepared to dish it out then be expected to get XXXXXXted off the coppers. You do have an option which is walk away from the rioters. So no sympathy for those who got XXXXXXted - live by the sword, you die by the sword

r00fie Posted on 11/12/2010 11:08
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You cant "walk away"........the Riot Squad wont let you!

undercover_copper Posted on 11/12/2010 11:08
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UC thanks for your balanced input. [^] What are your views on kettling and charging with horses?

No such thing has Kettling LOL But there is containment, it's just containment doesn't sound provocative!

Like someone said you can't just let a protest spread throughout London you have to contain it. If disorder has occured then it's sad to say but no one is leaving that containment. This is due to the likelihood of people saying no officer I just want to go home and causing mayhem somewhere else. The majority would go home I'm sure but I as an officer on the police line will not make that call. People should protest until disorder starts then do one before the containment is put on.

Police Horses are fantastic for gaining ground if used correctly, warnings given and making sure protestors have somewhere to go. If someone chooses to stand in front of a horse and confront it it's down to them. I haven't seen a lot of footage of the horses so can't really comment on this instance. I only saw the jockey getting dragged off. At that point the horses were isolated which should never never happen for that very reason.

Marc_Feld Posted on 11/12/2010 11:11
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'You do have an option which is walk away from the rioters'

That's what Ian Tomlinson was doing. Trying to go home, assaulted by a policeman.

micksgrill Posted on 11/12/2010 11:15
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garbage.... of course you can walk away. you can smell trouble in the air, so youve got every chance to walk away. didnt most of the bother come from splinter groups coming off the main protest....and these splinter groups were suppose to be peaceful were they???? if you tagged onto these groups then expect trouble.
And as for that XXXXXX who was swinging from the union jack flag.....i be first to put a bullet into his head.....absolute scum who needs the book thrown at him

r00fie Posted on 11/12/2010 11:17
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marc_feld your commanding officer wont like you making lefty comments like that[;)]

undercover_copper Posted on 11/12/2010 11:19
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I'm not dodging replies I'm off to work. It's Saturday so it's obviously treble time and the persecution of football fans then home for tea and medals!!!!

Try and see all the video footage Tomlinson wasn't such an innocent by stander but that should never have happened. Isn't the bobby still suspended?

r00fie Posted on 11/12/2010 11:24
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What utter rubbish. Walking home is so provocative for armed coppers who belt innocent citizens of their own country.Coppers or soldiers? The miners strike all over again.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 11/12/2010 11:52
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Whoops, wrong thread.

davi_redcar Posted on 11/12/2010 12:25
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Come the day brother roofie line all XXXXXXs against the wall!

UC some good points but can't see any benefit of horses on a static crowd, just my two penneth

NorfolknGood Posted on 11/12/2010 13:01
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According to the raionale of some on this thread if theres any problem at the match today its ok for police to beat up anybody at the match because if they werent at the match they wouldnt be beaten up.

Bren_MFC Posted on 11/12/2010 13:24
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the Police coped very well against a lot of provocation and violence towards them, rent a mob who turn up at all these things are the ones to blame here, not the students or the police......

Red_Matter Posted on 11/12/2010 13:24
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If I caught the little scrotes that scrawled all over Winston Churchill I wouldn't hold back and I wouldn't need a truncheon either.

1finny Posted on 11/12/2010 13:35
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oooooh red - a cyber tough guy [:D]

spurticus Posted on 11/12/2010 14:50
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When did peaceful protest EVER achieve anything they're just frukin lame......

Up the students.....all those having a go at them need to grow a pair, wannabee gaffas I know the type....the type that hate anyone who dares to question the establishment.......wouldn't surprise me if there was a few ringers amongst the students causing a lot of the bother anyway......anyway back to my Saturday mail [LOVE]

CornwallBORO Posted on 11/12/2010 15:44
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Its very simple to understand, our PM and deputy PM, both multi-millionaires, who said "we are all in this together" both in a position of power because of money and power. It is NOT a democracy, that simple fact is a TRUTH.

No bloody wonder these young people are unhappy. The police are the governemnt thugs. Why hell else did they trap the angry mob next to a war memorial? how stupid are joe public to believe it was not a police ploy to gain support against the students. They knew the memorial would be defaced.




Link: WAKE UP PEOPLE

Bren_MFC Posted on 11/12/2010 23:15
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yes, lets let anarchy rule, see where that gets everyone......[V] and as for the lad urinating on the statue and people hanging off the cenotaph, just wipe those scum out, we don't want those cretins in our country .....