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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 30/11/2010 18:04
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Think they can go around smashing the place up

They need sorting out

Bandy Posted on 30/11/2010 18:07
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

taser gun - no hesitation. Raoul Moat stlye

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 30/11/2010 18:14
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

They should have had water cannons the lot waiting for them

Its getting ridiculous now

fungus Posted on 30/11/2010 18:15
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

which students ?

dorivasmiddlefinger Posted on 30/11/2010 18:26
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

It's only a small number of students smashing up the place. Why punish the innocent student aswell.

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 30/11/2010 18:28
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Agree - water canon would put a very quick stop to this rent-a-mob behaviour


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chorleyphil Posted on 30/11/2010 18:31
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

They should water cannon the Muslim nobs shouting through a 2 mintues silence first.[^]

nb, I know this wont sit well with our resident libs.

Torino Posted on 30/11/2010 18:35
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Prepare for a verbal assault now chorley. . . .


Oooo Posted on 30/11/2010 18:36
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

I support the students. What is being done to education is no less than criminal and a declaration of war against learning

E-PRIME Posted on 30/11/2010 18:36
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Characteristic ott reaction from Blood lusting Poggy and Milton.

I think real restraint is being shown given that when you are young you are under the impression that you have complete impunity from the law.

It's merely distracting everyone from cable's unbelievable bellendery. It turns out that in politics there are no obi wans.

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 30/11/2010 18:38
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

If I was in charge I would say to the students that university fee's are being put up even higher to pay for all the smashed up police vans.

Oooo Posted on 30/11/2010 18:39
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

dont you realise that the students are the key to the future prosperity of our country. In order to compete in a world where developing countries have low wages we must compete on skills and knowledge. Really we should be paying the students to learn and hence to improve things for all of us

TurnbullsCans Posted on 30/11/2010 18:45
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

I don't think anyone has a problem with legitimate protest, what people do have a problem with is violence and destruction. A bit more self-regulation from the law abiding majority could be useful, oust those solely intent on bother.

Borocelt Posted on 30/11/2010 18:49
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

I didn't realise we lived in China.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 30/11/2010 18:57
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Easier said than done, TC.

I've been on a few protests myself, as well as a few meetings beforehand, where the leaders of any groups will always state that there will be Government 'plants' on hand to disrupt things.

Any meeting i've been to, any group i've been a part of, has always stressed that violence/disorder is always bad news and only serves to weaken your standpoint.

mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 18:58
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The attitude of some people on this board towards students is nothing short of abysmal at times, some people really need to put their prejudices and stereotypes to one side and look at the bigger picture.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 30/11/2010 18:58
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

'oust those solely intent on bother'

that's the bobbies dealt with, now what about the students

[;)]

sixtyniner69 Posted on 30/11/2010 19:02
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

"dont you realise that the students are the key to the future prosperity of our country."

not too many students though, therefore we should charge tuition fees according to ability

end of term tests every term

A+ get free education
A get 5% charges
B 30% charges
C+ 40 % charges
C 50% charges
d 100% charges
F 250% charges

charges should be on a per term basis ,
educate the willing and able regardless of background free
allow the wealthy to pay
get rid of the dross

mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 19:07
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What a completley unfair solution that is sixtyniner69, paying less the better grades you got... what about those who just missed out on a grade B instead of grade C, hell of a difference.

It is simple, scrap the pointless degrees out there, if we did this and the government actually gave students the chance to get some further training or work then maybe it wouldn't strain university resources or indeed have such a massive youth unemployments - a combination of the private sector, public sector opportunities with others schemes and training can take thousands of the university waiting lists or indeed the dole.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 30/11/2010 19:08
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Peaceful protest is one thing, this sort of behaviour is quite another.

Water cannon, yes. Also, having their grants withdrawn for the next year would be appropriate.

mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 19:11
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Again, it is a very very small minority, some of them are just plain hypocrites whilst some really care with a passion over the whole issue which is great although I don't really agree with it.

Just have their grants withdrawn - great solution that one, just chuck people on the streets or starve them or in fact let them having to give up their courses and most likely end up on benefits, cracking idea.

scuzzmonster Posted on 30/11/2010 19:12
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E-PRIME's right. Vinny's bellendery puts him right at the front of any queue deserving of a good tasering.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 30/11/2010 19:12
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a declaration of war against learning
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Congratulations: winner of "the most ridiculous post of the week award"

In the real world, there are too many graduates chasing too few jobs. Hence many drift into 'data input clerk' jobs. One of Tony B.Lair's many failures.

billdoor Posted on 30/11/2010 19:13
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"not too many students though, therefore we should charge tuition fees according to ability"

That would just add in more factors concerning the type of grades handed out. It wouldn't be graded solely according to the level of their work.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 30/11/2010 19:16
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"Just have their grants withdrawn - great solution that one, just chuck people on the streets or starve them or in fact let them having to give up their courses and most likely end up on benefits, cracking idea."

If your employees smashed your place up would you carry on paying them? No. So why should the taxpayer?

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 30/11/2010 19:20
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

'In the real world, there are too many graduates chasing too few jobs.'

There are too many people of all education standards chasing too few jobs, why single out graduates?




mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 19:20
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Kick them off the course then, not practically withdrawing their finances instead of leaving with a university place - people wouldn't last 2 minutes without their grants/loans.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 30/11/2010 19:27
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cos its students who are rioting as if its a devine right to go to uni.

the uk needs graduates for medicine, engineering, process, denistry etc. Dont need em for media, social or egyptian hydrogliphics (sp). UK should not be producing than many graduates that they end up on the Bins, like a lad I saw tonight.

whale_oil_beef_hooked Posted on 30/11/2010 19:29
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The problem is that cameron like thatcher liked to keep the working class in its place...why should they go to uni when they cant afford it, unlike our tory children.....well fuk the torry batads..i agree with the students !!!

MawTheMerrier Posted on 30/11/2010 19:31
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I got an email of an agent about a job: "must have a degree"

Really? I been doing the fukken job for 25 years without a degree and now i learn that I am not qualified to do my own job.

So, how is that? Its because we have too many graduates. We have unnecessarily educated too many people to degree level. Waste of their time and waste of fukken money.

joshie Posted on 30/11/2010 19:33
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

I really cant see what they are whinging about, they dont have to pay them back until they are earning an above average wage.

Why should your lower paid workers subsidise students.

I agree many of the pointless degrees should be scrapped.

I also think many degree's should be done in shorter timescales than they are.


viv_andersons_nana Posted on 30/11/2010 19:35
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

"many of the pointless degrees should be scrapped."

Define pointless.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 30/11/2010 19:36
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

"Kick them off the course then, not practically withdrawing their finances instead of leaving with a university place - people wouldn't last 2 minutes without their grants/loans."

Eh? But surely if you kick them off the course they would automatically become ineligible to receive a student grant or loans?!

MawTheMerrier Posted on 30/11/2010 19:42
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Viv, Media studies is the epitome of pointless.

(to paraphrase the holgate wall)


viv_andersons_nana Posted on 30/11/2010 19:43
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Who says it's pointless?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 30/11/2010 19:43
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

The police have tried the softy, softy approach and it has failed, someone was almost killed as a result of it when that buffoon threw the fire extinguisher.

The students have had enough chances to have a peaceful protest, they've blew it. I accept it is a small minority but not a tiny one. There seems to be plenty there in London with the rent a mob attitude to cause trouble.

The Police need to be prepared for them next time. Far more of riot police, watercannons and zero tolerance to the zit faced troublemakers in the crowd.

These students seem to have no concept whatsoever o coalition governments or the history of tuition fees.

joshie Posted on 30/11/2010 19:43
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

serving no useful purpose.

Perhaps I should amend that too little or no purpose.

One example: Stained glass window studies...

canada_boro Posted on 30/11/2010 19:49
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

''Cant see what they are complaining about they dont start paying until they earn over a certain amount''

Yeah but you will still get that letter off the loans company every other week saying you owe us £40,000.



Define Pointless (Degrees)

Here is my A-Z of pointless degrees:

A is for Abroad Studies
B is for Biblical studies
C is for Circus studies
D is for Decision studies
E is for Expressive studies
F is for Furniture studies
G is for Green studies
H is for Hair studies
I is for Ideas studies
J is for Jelly studies
K is for Knitware studies
L is for Livestock studies
M is for Microwave studies
N is for Negotiaton studies
O is for Older studies
P is for Paper studies
Q is for Quiz studies
R is for Remote controller studies
T is for Three studies
U is for Uniform studies
V is for Visiting studies
W is for Welding studies
X is for Couldnt find anything
y is for Youth studies
Z is for Zebra studies


I would love to know how much those courses alone costs in general, not forgetting the hundreds of other ridiculous courses out there. No wonder our education system is in a right mess.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 30/11/2010 19:49
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I do. I say its pointless.

No need for it. Is there?

In the old days we had A level to separate the bright ones. Now its Degrees. Pointless.

You need a degree to be a doctor. Same for a mechanical engineer and the like. You dont need a degree to work in Stockton Council.

Pointless.

joshie Posted on 30/11/2010 19:51
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Oh how horrible for them, having to open a letter now and again saying they owe some money they dont have to pay till they earn enough..

foggysfplandiet Posted on 30/11/2010 19:54
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MITCH: I would also add that the only organisation that could kick them off the course is the university/college that they are attending - the government would have no jurisdiction to do so - and the university/college are hardly likely to do that, are they?


mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 19:57
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I take it Joshie you aren't a student and therefore don't understand how unfair the system is?

Or if you have then you once had your education funded by either the tax payer or your parents. People out there aren't rioting because they want a free education, they just don't want to be paying over the odds for something like a degree, the cuts for the universities themselves is not going to help either, people will suffer on all counts during their studies, paying more for less. The jobs market is awful out there, yes you are more likely to earn more as a graduate than someone else but that isn't the point, the competition out there and the lack of opportunities is terrible.

Ok they might be taking £50 off you and it may not seem like much but at the end of the day it's £40,000 and in some cases 50,60,70 and even £80,000

lambethred Posted on 30/11/2010 19:59
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

i'm an old shnozzer but i find it quite inspiring that young people are starting to fight for their future. good luck to them.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 30/11/2010 20:00
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I fail to see how you can call a degree pointless without knowing what job the student went on to and whether their degree was a necessry part of that.

Maw, why dont you need a degree to work at Stockton Council? Surely it depends on what your doing. They will employ Solicitors, Accountants etc where a degree is necessary.

Torino Posted on 30/11/2010 20:00
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If they want a free education, I think they need to give something back to the country (especially the ones doing the pointless degrees). Something like if they serve in the Navy, Army or Air Force for 2 years, then they can have their fee's paid for or reduced. I don't see why they fell they have some divine right to have it for free.

degsyspesh Posted on 30/11/2010 20:02
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As has been pointed out, the problem is centred on the burgeoning number of mickey mouse courses for which the country has no need. Higher education should certainly be subsidised, it is basically just the country investing in its future - but you can't expect the country to fund people doing courses that don't bring a benefit back to the country.

The solution is fairly simple - the country needs to figure out how many degree qualified graduates it needs on an annual basis in key disciplines and then to sponsor these places to be either subsidised or free and which are open to students based on their ability.

Everyone else pays. Simple.

borobuddah Posted on 30/11/2010 20:04
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Cos we don't have the death penalty for acts of vandalism and disorder, nor should we. powers of arrest, cctv, kettling, what more would a civilised society need?

Tom_Fun Posted on 30/11/2010 20:04
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"I really cant see what they are whinging about, they dont have to pay them back until they are earning an above average wage"

You seem to be confusing tuition fees with student loans.

mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 20:07
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We aren't asking for a free education! Yes in a perfect world we would be and with better economic conditions it could be possible but we need to understand what is happening now.

My solution would be a small upfront charge and pay a couple of hundred of pounds per year so in reality you are paying around £600 of so, now whilst some people will go oh that is far to cheap, that would strain resources etc, look at the French model, they don't dish out worthless degrees and the small payment would make people think twice about actually investing in this career path.

Which brings me onto my next point, the examples of worthless degrees just been expressed, lets be honest I dont know what people get out of completing a Remote controller degree or indeed a jelly studies degree but I don't think a degree would be essential.

Just like the other poster earlier who described the situation when he said he now has to have a degree despite a 25 year experience in the field, we're trying to educate and over qualify people when we don't need to, the private and public sector should be taking people on in their specific industries not straining resources.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 30/11/2010 20:10
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Public Sector should be taking people on?? Which cave have you been hiding in?

mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 20:13
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

The government schemes, apprenticeships, further training for people, why should somebody do a degree in construction or welding, costing £9000 in tuition fees, added on loans for living costs and other money through bursaries/grants, the costs of lecturers, resources, it would be cheaper and more efficient for people in these specific career paths to get work experience than going through what should be an academic route.

Stubbsy Posted on 30/11/2010 20:15
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AK47 the XXXXXXs.

pierrequiroule Posted on 30/11/2010 20:18
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"i'm an old shnozzer but i find it quite inspiring that young people are starting to fight for their future. good luck to them."

Too right. The fact that british youth have been politically moribund since the 60s has had a large bearing on the rise of the career politician. Get stuck into them and show them up for what they are.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 30/11/2010 20:18
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A degree in 'construction'? I would imagine that is a rather far reaching topic area, some elements which will require a degree.

What degree are you doing Mitch? And weren't you on here not so long back arguing that a politics degree was of more 'use' than an engineering degree? How does that fit with your argument above?

joshie Posted on 30/11/2010 20:19
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I studied part time while working Mitch. Neither the tax payer nor my parents paid for my education.


mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 20:28
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Yes I study politics at the humanities and social science faculty, it is a bit of mixture between theory, history and work experience, as for job opportunities well graduates I have met work all over from think tanks, political parties, researchers to lecturers, teachers and in the media.

It is a very much open book degree with various career paths, I know it doesn't have the benefits of what this country gets from those who do medicine, maths, sciences etc but politics isn't classed as a worthless degree in my opinion, I would hold my hands up if I genuinely believed it had no use.

It thrived since the year 2000 but with the recent cuts being made, lecturers and modules have now gone and we don't get choices in our degree, it is all compulsory which is really unfair.

mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 20:29
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Joshie I am sure many others would do the same if the part time jobs were out there, sadly there isn't any.

joshie Posted on 30/11/2010 20:31
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I worked full time and studied part time.

TurnbullsCans Posted on 30/11/2010 20:36
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Strange there isn't any Mitch as I worked part-time at Uni as did many of my mates. There are also plenty of students in part-time jobs, to suggest otherwise is nonsense.

degsyspesh Posted on 30/11/2010 20:37
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The country certainly needs politics graduates, the problem is that there are currently about five times the number of students graduating in politics courses than the country needs.

Conversely, as we look to manufacture our way out of the current economic abortion that we find ourselves in, the country needs more and more graduates in technical fields and physical sciences / engineering etc but there are fewer and fewer students doing such degrees.

degsyspesh Posted on 30/11/2010 20:40
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"......if the part time jobs were out there, sadly there isn't any". Utter horse shoite.

Sadly, I think you've just lost any credibility and support that you may have had.

mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 20:43
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Right mate my flatmates and other mates from uni are doing their best to find part time jobs, they have tried allsorts, retail, receptionist jobs, call centres, there are over 75,000 students in this city alone, I looked into places such as Warrington, the Wirral, St Helens, even as far as Manchester and there aren't enough part time jobs to go around.

Fortunatley I have one and I am fine however the only thing out there at the minute is temporary jobs until January.

mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 20:44
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

TC when did you go to uni and where abouts?

TurnbullsCans Posted on 30/11/2010 20:45
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Where are you at Uni?

mitch_mfc Posted on 30/11/2010 20:46
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Liverpool

boroproud Posted on 30/11/2010 20:49
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Shoot the flucking lot of them.i cant abide sponging students [:(!]

MoggasDog Posted on 30/11/2010 21:48
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the number of tory, right wing fuc.king dikheads on here is rising by the day [|)][|)]

love the fact that someone found the chance to link the student demo to water canoning some mythical muslims that spunked over a 2 minutes silence.[^][:D] good skills, that man.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 30/11/2010 22:15
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triple the uni fees,reasons 1 only the rich could afford to go so therfore the best jobs are taken by them,and any left over jobs would be given to eastern europeans cheeper rates,,,,,so good on em lets all join em,,[;)]its the m.ps that want shocking[smi]

HolgateCorner Posted on 30/11/2010 23:10
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I liked the way the students ran the police all over the place in London today.

one thing is for sure, plod will not be able to outwit or outrun the students. In fact the police look very bad against a bunch of young kids including a lot of girls.

I think it is great to see, at last, young people in this country waking up out of their slumber and saying enough is enough.

If you are a student and go on to take up a highly paid job, this tuition fees malarky is a second tax. You pay over the odds to be educated so that you can then be taxed more highly throughout your career than most non graduates.

The country takes great long term benefit from its graduates and should encourage kids to get themselves educated.

The type of degree is no big deal either, how many general managers/directors of private companies use anything they learnt at university in their current jobs?

I certainly don't and I actually practise within the subject area I studied.

Who sets the fees? Are they fair? Are they competitive on an international scale? Why can't they be reduced?

All unanswered questions for the kids, they do right to say enough is enough.

deganya Posted on 01/12/2010 01:47
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Don't know what the problem is...... go on protest, get arrested, go to jail where you can do your degree for free !! job sorted ! who said students were daft lol

Cardiff_04 Posted on 01/12/2010 02:20
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TC, ive read a few of these threads involving students, and all i've seen is you having a go a Mitch, have you got a problem with him?

Also these people who are saying F*ck students etc, would you be saying this if these students, in 5-10 years time, are saving your lives, as surgeons, paramedics, police etc? I think f*cking not!

I can't see how anyone could agree with the outrages tution fees the government are introducing.

I also think that some people on this board are either A. very very uneducated or B. Never ever read the news/pay attention to the news.

Van_Bommel Posted on 01/12/2010 10:12
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Fair play to the studetns protesting peacefully, more than entitled to their opinion. As for the ones protesting violently and smashing up public and government property - what on earth do they think gives them the right? Apart from it being illegal, they don't pay any tax and they don't contribute to the system (yet), therefore they have absolutely zero right whatsoever.

Really wound me up seeing the pictures from the protests in London last month. Wasn't just one or two of them causing the damage either, looked like a few hundred to me, so I'm not surprised people are getting all wound up and saying 'F*ck students' etc. After all, this habit they have of smashing things up costs every single working person on this board a couple of quid every time it happens.

Students need to get a grip.


Link: There goes a few quid...

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 01/12/2010 10:26
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Turns out they wrote 'Revolution' with spray paint on Nelson's column

If this was a fox hunting protest and not a bunch of spotty faced, greasy haired students I'm absolutley certain alot of people on here would have a totally different view.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 10:33
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Comparing fox-hunting to students protesting over tuition fees is a bit daft even for you, Pog.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 01/12/2010 10:33
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I do enjoy this picture of middle class students trying to justify that shouldering their debts of their own high flying education/career onto the rest of the working class is a good thing.

I notice the obvious solution of less people going to university = cheaper costs is avoided by them.

This may come as a shock but university is not a right to attend.

Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 10:40
Why haven't these students been shot or atleast tasered

Personally I would use water cannon, firing a delousing solution.
Resulting in dispersion of students but also more hygenic students [^]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 10:42
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Students aren't exclusively 'middle-class' either, rivals.

People using huge generalisations, and stereotypes, to try and form a sensible debate is rife on this thread.

Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 10:43
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But students aspire to being middle class and the working classes can pay for it, thank you very much.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 10:46
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Most students aspire to a better standard of living, the whole 'class thing' is irrelevant unless you've got an agenda to push.


*edit - Students also pay back costs incurred during university, what with the grants being abolished and that.

rivals_oldschool Posted on 01/12/2010 11:00
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I never said they were.

The bottom line is if they want a cheaper uni system then they need to accept that not everybody can go. The days of kicking the can of the full costs down the road are well gone.

Either someone misses out or they ALL have to shoulder the cost now.
They harp on about helping the lower class but I can guarantee should the option be there how many middles class kids would step aside and let a lower class kid take his place? I wonder how socialist they’d be then.

They run around London aimlessly at the beckon call of the NUS. The same NUS who never raised a finger when Labour opened this can of worms. The NUS is nothing more than a step ladder into the Labour party hierarchy and right now they’re exploiting students so someone can climb that ladder.


Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 11:02
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It was mods and rockers in my dads day for daft youths to pretend to be rebels.
Now its students. They will grow out of it, bless them. [^]

MarlonD Posted on 01/12/2010 11:07
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"I never said they were.

The bottom line is if they want a cheaper uni system then they need to accept that not everybody can go. The days of kicking the can of the full costs down the road are well gone.

Either someone misses out or they ALL have to shoulder the cost now.
They harp on about helping the lower class but I can guarantee should the option be there how many middles class kids would step aside and let a lower class kid take his place? I wonder how socialist they’d be then.

They run around London aimlessly at the beckon call of the NUS. The same NUS who never raised a finger when Labour opened this can of worms. The NUS is nothing more than a step ladder into the Labour party hierarchy and right now they’re exploiting students so someone can climb that ladder."

Absolute nail on head.

'New' Labour were even bigger advocates of capitalism than rthe Tories before them. The Tories just help push the boulder down the hill, New Labour shot a rocket up its arse to make it go even faster.


littledick Posted on 01/12/2010 11:08
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Freezing cold water canons are the short term answer [^]

A fcuking gun's the long term answer [:D]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 11:32
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Anyone who questions authority should be faced with a water cannon? I didn't realise we were living under a dictatorship.

Nobody is saying that 'everybody' should be able to go to university. Not everybody wants to go, for starters, but they should be able to have the choice.

The rise in fees is a way of making it much, much harder for certain sections of society to be able to make that choice. People in power are taking that choice away from them on a whim.

Cost-cutting all round, unless it's a war that needs funding. Or a massive loan to Ireland. Or the banks.

The money is there, the Government just want to spend it on something else but don't have the conviction to admit it.


Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 11:34
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"The money is there, the Government just want to spend it on something else."

Pensions and hospitals, which students obviously dont see the point of. Well you do think you are imortal when young.


viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 11:37
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Not strictly pensions and hospitals is it though. If it was there'd be much less hostility towards the Government.

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 11:37
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Got to admire them..fearless, when did the rest of the nation lose its backbone.

They aint yes men thats for sure.

Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 11:49
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As if students have a clue where its going. All they know is its not in their pockets.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 11:51
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I think most of them will have heard of Iraq and Afghanistan. I think most of them will have heard about a colossal bank bail-out, tax avoidance/evasion, a huge loan to Ireland and Trident.

Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 11:54
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Iraq, Afghanistan, bank bail outs and trident all down to labour.

The loan will get paid back.

Tax evasion? No one better then Tony Blair at that.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 12:01
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I'm not disagreeing with you on that front, mido.

If memory serves me correctly, though, the Conservatives voted overwhelmingly in favour of both wars.

It's the Government, and politics/politicians, as a whole that are to blame. Bad decisions aren't exclusive to a particular party(or coalition).

mitch_mfc Posted on 01/12/2010 12:04
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Seriously what is it with some people and over the top stereotypes and prejudices, some people really have got a chip on their shoulder for people who just want a fair education.

As for the violence, like I said it isn't the best way to go about it but will you be directly paying for it? Will your taxes be going up specifically for those actions?

Stop treating the whole thing as if we're a bunch of animals determined to cause havoc on the streets of Britain, thousands protested against the poll tax and they got what they wanted.

As previously mentioned, the government can suddenly find the billions to bail out Ireland and continue to spunk money up an unwinnable war in Afghanistan, a trident system which is far too expensive and yet can't even recoup a fraction of the billions lost in tax evasion, I think you will find a small proportion of each thing I have listed could contribute into saving the thousands who will lose their jobs in higher education, maybe lower tuition fees and keeping some to one side, combinating with scrapping worthless degrees.

As for the statement of the working class trying to be middle class, well all I can say on that really is that is pretty much irrelevant at the minute, people need to worry about their degrees first and the job market isn't exactly properous out there is it, some people such as myself will never forget their roots and I'll always regard myself as working class whether that is earning £15,000 or £150,000 a year.

MarlonD Posted on 01/12/2010 12:16
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"Stop treating the whole thing as if we're a bunch of animals determined to cause havoc on the streets of Britain, thousands protested against the poll tax and they got what they wanted."

How many times do you have to be told that this is fcuk all like the poll tax riots. The Poll Tax was an unfair tax on all working adults. What your fellow students are smashing up buildings and rioting for is education for the people who 'choose' to try and gain further qualifications to gain better paid professions.

The Poll Tax, taxed building site labourers and brain surgeons all the same, tuition fees are to be paid back by the qualified degree students when their chosen profession pays above a certain amount.

mitch_mfc Posted on 01/12/2010 12:17
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Louise Elleman [^]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 01/12/2010 12:20
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"Anyone who questions authority should be faced with a water cannon? I didn't realise we were living under a dictatorship."

So when they start smashing the place up for the fourth week in a row your suggesting the police do what exactly?

Tea and crumpets?

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 12:26
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"gain further qualifications to gain better paid professions."

Therein lies part of the problem. University isn't just about making a load of money upon graduation, it's also about trying to better yourself in general.

Pog - Put another record on, you're resorting to silliness in a feeble attempt to add something to the debate. A handful of people are guilty of vandalism, that's a handful out of thousands and thousands who protested peacefully. Of course, the police remain blameless throughout these protests.

People are angry, people are finally making a stand. It must be nice to have no worries at your end, Pog.

mitch_mfc Posted on 01/12/2010 12:27
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''So when they start smashing the place up for the fourth week in a row.''

Some people really do go over the top, are you sure you haven't been watching what's been happening in Italy with students protesting there?

Occupying buildings, sit ins, walk outs, bits of litter, marches is hardly 'smashing the place'.

As for the poll tax remark, well the tuition fees at the level they are now and what they plan to go up to, it is going to be like a very unfair tax anyway. Fair enough if you get a decent wage out of it, however if there are no jobs out there and you find yourself working in some administrative job just to keep yourself off the dole it is going to be a lot of money for some people the repayments.


Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 12:28
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The rioting will stop soon when they go back to mummy and daddies for Christmas [^]

MarlonD Posted on 01/12/2010 12:29
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"Therein lies part of the problem. University isn't just about making a load of money upon graduation, it's also about trying to better yourself in general."

Going to University is about furthering your education so you can get a better qualified profession which invariably pays better.

Getting a job and paying your way in life I'm afraid, is the way of the adult world. If they don't like it they can fcuk off to North Korea and join a communist state and be 'equal'to everyone else.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 12:31
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Mido, behave yourself. [:D]

I'm from Park End, I went to university and I don't refer to my parents as 'Mummy and Daddy'.

Poor people go to university, too. Though maybe for not much longer.

Miklaadt Posted on 01/12/2010 12:33
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You're up early today Mitch. Is there a Home and Away omnibus on at lunchtime? [;)]

Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 12:34
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You used to always read about students going on the game or becoming strippers to get through uni.

Good for them, standing on their own two feet (or on their backs) and not begging the rest of us to pay for them [^]

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 12:35
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"Going to University is about furthering your education so you can get a better qualified profession which invariably pays better."

Yes, i'm not arguing with that. I'm saying people don't just go to university for those reasons alone, they go because education is a good thing in general.

Students pay the money back anyway, Marlon, so they know what the 'adult world' is like.

It's the extortionate rise in fees that are the problem here.

oooooo Posted on 01/12/2010 12:37
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"Going to University is about furthering your education so you can get a better qualified profession which invariably pays better."

That's a pretty narrow minded view. A better educated society is a better society.

mitch_mfc Posted on 01/12/2010 12:37
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Are you a right wing troll that is still living in the stone age?

The jobs aren't out there, and won't be back for a long time. More and more people are going to university so competition has never been greater, what about those from poor backgrounds who can't pay it and the system deters them from wanting to go, people will be priced out of it.

Some people like you think we all want it for free, that isn't being realistic, the individual and state should both contribute but the fees level is bad enough at £3,300 a year let alone £9,000. With resources and teaching getting cut it is hardly value for money either.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 12:39
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"A better educated society is a better society."

[^]

Those in power don't want that, though. It's not in their interests.

Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 12:41
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Theres only so many jobs for the better educated though.
Whats the point of churning out people with uni degrees with no practical use for them?

mitch_mfc Posted on 01/12/2010 12:41
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[:D]

Well Miklaadt today our lecturer was snowed in back in Staffordshire and the other lecturer was busy teaching the 3rd years so I have some time off to finish a few essays - looking unlikely at the minute though!

MarlonD Posted on 01/12/2010 12:46
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Education, education, education.

FFS, I don't think anyone denies that a better educated society benefits everyone, however I'm fcuked if I'm helping pay towards someone who wants to better themselves by going to university without the intention of getting a decent job to help payback the fees.

People are still going on as though universities are full of the intellectually elite who will help society with their far outreaching ideas. They're not. They're full of people doing pi55 pot degrees who see university as an extra couple of years on the lash.

The tuition fees should help temper this situation and is the most sensible way of ridding the university system of lazy feckless ne'er-do-wells wqho have no intention of wanting to better themselves or contributing to a society.

Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 12:50
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Some of the thick coonts I've met with degrees, makes me wonder how much use a uni education is for improving the intellect.

MarlonD Posted on 01/12/2010 12:51
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"As for the poll tax remark, well the tuition fees at the level they are now and what they plan to go up to, it is going to be like a very unfair tax anyway."

You choose to go to university, you didn't choose whether you paid the poll tax, when are you going to get that into your head ffs.

I was 18, left college and was earning £85 a week and I had courts summons as I couldn't afford to pay the poll tax as did many of my friends. Thats why the Poll Tax riots took place.


mitch_mfc Posted on 01/12/2010 12:53
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''People are still going on as though universities are full of the intellectually elite''

No they aren't, but these new plans will, it will price people out of it. What about people such as myself? From a very poor working class background and my flatmate who's father died a few years ago and his mother only has 2 part time jobs to get by. We both want to get the same out of university, a good degree and a good experience, £3,300 is bad enough but £9,000? Pricing people out is the wrong way to go about it, if you're a tory you may find that acceptable and reasonable.

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 12:54
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And did you pay the Poll Tax eventually ?

oooooo Posted on 01/12/2010 12:56
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It's not the people XXXXXXing it up the wall I'm really bothered about. It's people who have a talent or ability but their skill doesn't necessarily transfer directly to a bumper well-paid job.

Economic factors should not be the only consideration, that's all.

Pricing out everyone seems a bit of a case of using a sledgehammer to crack a nut when all you want to do is start "ridding the university system of lazy feckless ne'er-do-wells wqho have no intention of wanting to better themselves or contributing to a society."

Personally, I'd rather have the best doctor at my bed-side regardless of his background rather than the best doctor who could *afford* it.

I'm not saying you don't have a point but using fees to weed out students you see as having less to offer targets everyone.

MarlonD Posted on 01/12/2010 12:56
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Yes I did.

Didn't fancy jail tbh, not being a good looking lad like me.

Holgatewall Posted on 01/12/2010 12:57
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From what I saw of yesterdays events the students were trying to stop rent- a- mob form casuing trouble.

If you look closely a lot of the trouble makers looked to be schoolkids.

mitch_mfc Posted on 01/12/2010 12:58
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Yeah we choose to go to university because people want a good career path, we didn't want to go straight into a job after leaving school because only certain types of careers can you do that, degrees are everything nowadays, as posted before, somebody who has worked in a profession for 25years may now end up needing a degree to state they are qualifies WTF is that all about?

We don't choose if we want to pay tuition fees or not, they are compulsory, you either get mummy and daddy to pay for it or you take out loans to cover it, they are overpriced and the talk of £9,000 is out of order because university is only really the simple thing to do, even more so with the jobs climate, it is all money making out of poor people's expense.

MarlonD Posted on 01/12/2010 13:03
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mitch, you know what, I wish you well in life as you do actually come across as someone who is using university to better themselves and is prepared to graft, however it seems to me the way you keep mentiong things like the poll tax riots, that your head is being filled by some left wing NUS president who has never struck a bat in their life.


Miklaadt Posted on 01/12/2010 13:03
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Is the tuition fee a flat rate for all students or does it vary depending on variables like which university, type of course, lecture hours per week, etc?

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 13:05
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It's £9,000 across the board as far as I know, Miklaadt.

Though I may be wrong on that.

Holgatewall Posted on 01/12/2010 13:06
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I think thw Welsh have well and truly stirred up a Hornets nest by saying Welsh students will not have to pay £9,000 while the English students will.

Surely this is wrong

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 13:06
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That wasnt much of a stance,you went to court and then paid it..did you riot?.

You cant treat this country like a catalogue at a £1 a week.

MarlonD Posted on 01/12/2010 13:08
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It wasn't a stance, I just couldn't pay it.

Read before you post.

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 13:13
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I will[:D]

Thornaby_Boro Posted on 01/12/2010 13:16
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The police and media have took far too soft an approach to these scum. If football fans had rioted like that they would have been dealt with much harsher, and the media(BBC inparticular) wouldn't constantly be reiterating that 'its only only the minority'.

Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 13:21
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The tuition fee is to be set by the Unis I believe and some may charge £9000.
But if no one takes up £9000 courses then persumably they charge less or reduce the fee.

Midosparmo Posted on 01/12/2010 13:22
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BBC news is made up mainly of ex uni students, hence their soft approach.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 13:23
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Protesting about a huge increase in tuition fees is slightly different to starting a fight at a football match.

The approach taken by the media has been far from soft, too, given that images of a very, very small number of people committing acts of vandalism have dominated the news coverage.

As for the police, well the 'kettling', baton-waving and riot gear suggest the opposite of what you're saying, to be honest.

Thornaby_Boro Posted on 01/12/2010 13:25
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Exactly. They didn't even see fit to mention that they were setting fire to things a couple of feet away from the Cenotaph.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 13:27
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So because a few morons set fire to stuff 'a couple of feet away from the Cenotaph' all other protesters are 'scum'?

Strange world you inhabit.

Thornaby_Boro Posted on 01/12/2010 13:27
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Viv,
Fighting with the police, arson, criminal damage are crimes, whether you are 'protesting' attending a football match, or doing anything else

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 13:29
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I didn't say they weren't, Thornaby.

I'm taking issue with you branding them all 'scum' on account of a very, very small number of people committing acts of vandalism.

Thornaby_Boro Posted on 01/12/2010 13:31
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To me, those people involved in criminal activity are scum.
It is ironic that people claiming injustice for their generation decide to vent their anger in front of poppies laid down for people who really did have something to complain about, but thankfully didn't.

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 13:39
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Majority are showing their discontent with a peaceful protest..well done to them[^]

Miklaadt Posted on 01/12/2010 13:43
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Thanks. Does anyone know where the LEA funding came from before fees were introduced, ie, raised from local taxes or issued from central government?

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 13:46
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It is also 'ironic' that on the one hand you're not happy about the way the BBC reported on football hooliganism because they tarred all supporters with the same brush, yet on the other hand you attack them because they reported, factually, that the acts of vandalism committed during these student protests were carried out by a very, very small number of protesters.

Like I say, strange world you inhabit.

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 13:47
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Thornaby is though[:D]

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 01/12/2010 13:52
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"Therein lies part of the problem. University isn't just about making a load of money upon graduation, it's also about trying to better yourself in general.

Pog - Put another record on, you're resorting to silliness in a feeble attempt to add something to the debate. A handful of people are guilty of vandalism, that's a handful out of thousands and thousands who protested peacefully. Of course, the police remain blameless throughout these protests.

People are angry, people are finally making a stand. It must be nice to have no worries at your end, Pog."

You keep saying tiny minority and handful but it was clearly hundreds who were behind it, a minority but certainley not tiny from the students in London.

You let you left wing 'something for nothing, I want but someone else can pay' ideology get in the way of the fact these yobos are causing thousands of pounds worth of damage.

Again I ask, when they're destroying buildings, graffiting monuments and lobbing a fire extinguisher off a roof what would you do if water cannons are unacceptable to you?

I suppose kettling is evil to the little thugs aswell?

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 13:54
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Well its a Democracy and sometimes these things happen,get yourself over to North Korea if you dont like it.

viv_andersons_nana Posted on 01/12/2010 14:04
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You're continuing to group all of the protesters together in one group, Pog.

"clearly hundreds who were behind it"

Behind what? Think about how many people have protested, then think about how many people have been arrested. You'll find it IS a very, very small number of protesters involved in criminal damage, that's kind of why I keep saying it.

"You let you left wing 'something for nothing, I want but someone else can pay' ideology get in the way of the fact these yobos are causing thousands of pounds worth of damage."

Who on earth do you think you are? I will be paying for my education for many, many years to come. Nobody is asking for a free education, they are saying the plans to increase the fees are ridiculously over-the-top, elitist and unfair. I agree with the reasons behind their protests.

There will always be a few people who attend these huge protests and cause a bit of bother. The vast majority don't however, so that suggests that many of the tactics employed by the police and relevant authorities are working. Would you be prepared to rule-out the possibility that some of the people involved in committing crimes are Government 'plants'?

I've been on many protests and never seen a bit of bother. It is these big ones, like the student ones or the G20 one last summer, where the problems arise. That's mainly down to the number of people who attend and, of course, the scale of their anger.

Just because a few idiots start trouble doesn't mean that you can brush the concerns of the overwhelming majority under the carpet.


Thornaby_Boro Posted on 01/12/2010 14:33
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Hilarious Shamrock.

My point was they would not have constantly said 'its the small minority' they would have just said 'football yobs'. I would have thought you lefties would be angry at the inequality of this. I would have also thought you would like to live in the communist North Korea.

mitch_mfc Posted on 01/12/2010 14:47
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Viv [^]

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 14:52
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What makes you think Im a leftie, Iam as they would have me believe Free.
Some people want the Government to break heads and not allow peaceful protests a lot like any dictatorship.
Stop kowtowing.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 01/12/2010 15:21
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shamrock, How can you describe the protests in London as peaceful?

3 attempts theyve had at a peaceful protest, each one has resulted in a trail of destruction and the riot police been called in.

Next time there should be zero tolerance, if they have to get the batons out and 'crack some heads' like they would with anyother protest group that was causing mass criminal damage than so be it. The students have had enough chances.

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 15:30
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Think the Students have won this one anyhow..got the Liberals on the ropes and even Baldy is stuttering and stammering and he made it all up.
Clegg (Rudolph Hess)seems to be stamping his feet but to no avail.

Anway I can see them withdrawing it and going back to the old price.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 01/12/2010 15:41
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shamrock, How can you describe the protests in London as peaceful?

3 attempts theyve had at a peaceful protest, each one has resulted in a trail of destruction and the riot police been called in.

Next time there should be zero tolerance, if they have to get the batons out and 'crack some heads' like they would with anyother protest group that was causing mass criminal damage than so be it. The students have had enough chances.

red_shamrock Posted on 01/12/2010 15:45
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Howay Pog there`s always a bit of trouble in a free society thats how it is, if they start whacking the kids thats the Tories finished and they know it.

Holgatewall Posted on 01/12/2010 16:46
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it's the real world and it stinks.

Nothing for free anymore

All your dreams being trampled underfoot by government.

It's always been the same and it's the system your are now entereing as adults.

get used to it.

Some of those who were demonstrating yesterday will shortly be figures in government.

Look at Peter Haynes; being a leader of the anti aparteid movement has'nt held him back has it?

Alan Johnson was a Union leader but he was only doing it to promote self interest.

They are all looking after number one


spurticus Posted on 01/12/2010 17:02
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Power to the students[^]
Seems like there's loads of pussys on here that would give up all their rights at the drop of a hat.

Fekin daily mail reading right wing doyles, need to grow some balls at least someone's questioning the decision makers, you lot should just assume the position and prepare to be shafted right up the arris, you obviously like it.....

HolgateCorner Posted on 01/12/2010 17:04
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great protest by the students.

This government's poll tax or iraq War moment has come very early for them.