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canada_boro Posted on 24/11/2010 14:41
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BBC News

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 24/11/2010 14:43
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good on em[^]

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/11/2010 14:46
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Coppers a bit more organised this time!

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 14:46
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To be fair they were kettled by the bellend police. The police were trying to get a reaction and that's what they'll get.

Hope they smash up Con and Lib HQ's.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 24/11/2010 14:47
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[:D]

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 14:49
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And richard, as you can tell I am a student! [:D]

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 24/11/2010 14:51
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[^]

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 14:52
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Bloody students, Im on team Coppers. [;)]

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 14:54
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The Students are Revolting.

So no change there then.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 14:55
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Midosparmo being a XXXXXX.

So no change there.

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 24/11/2010 14:55
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lets join em[B)]

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 14:56
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Tear Gas them [cr]

1st_time_caller Posted on 24/11/2010 14:56
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they were all parading around Durham today as well, waving their placards with policy-challenging slogans such as "i should be in a lecture"

annoying little twerps holding me up while i nipped out to get a sandwich

i sympathise with the majority of students who will be funding themselves, but many of these Durham ones are enjoying having their fees paid for by quango's, other government-funded research bodies from both this country and abroad or well-to-do mummy and daddy's, so it wont affect them, and i do not believe they genuinely care about future generations or other students in a less serendipitous position. they have seen a couple of episodes of The Young Ones and are trying to be 'radical' and 'revolutionary'

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 14:56
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Which part do the students not understand?

There's not enough money left in the coffers, by the previous shower of shíte, to pay for your education so you are now responsible for your own higher education.

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 14:57
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[pa]

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 14:57
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I wish my uni had been involved in this. Durham was but not ours unfortunately. Although with this rain, kinda happy to protest from behind the keyboard [;)]

mickymacc Posted on 24/11/2010 14:57
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"Anarchy in the refrectory,it's coming sometime,maybe"-[8)]


"Look out, listen can you hear it
Panic in the County Hall
Look out, listen can you hear it
Whitehall (got us) up against a wall
Up against the wall..."[^]

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 14:57
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Just read a quote "we are re-living the spirit of students in 1968"

[rle] pi55 off you spotty cnut.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 14:58
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If you're a student and can't afford Uni then get a bloody job. Simples.

Some_Strange_Gadgie Posted on 24/11/2010 14:59
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The daft signs do them no favours. Saw a picture of one in Newcastle that had a sign saying "I'm only here for the clunge". Made me laugh but if they're all so bothered you'd think they'd take it more seriously.

borophilos Posted on 24/11/2010 14:59
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and in ten years time when we have less doctors, nurses, teachers as only the priviledged could afford uni we will be much better off wont we ? ffs


boromutt Posted on 24/11/2010 15:00
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Not enough money in the coffers? why then is Gideon bailing out Ireland to the tune of £7billion & who knows how much more for the rest of the EU.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:00
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S_H the XXXXXX on is that the people doing our cuts got university for free and also Nick Clegg got a tonne of student votes after promising free University or reduced university fee's.

I feel so sorry for the next generation of students coming through. No way they'll be able to afford it. Also there goes my chance of getting to do my master's in the next 10 years.

The_same_as_before Posted on 24/11/2010 15:00
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or give the cash to Ireland

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:01
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Aw come on it is 'last chance saloon' for many.
The die hard union leaders and politically motivated students will see this as their opportunity to, at least, repeat the poll tax riots.
You aint seen nothin yet - wait until the May Day march which, rather ironically, will follow the Royal Wedding. a symbol, to many, of what is wrong with the country.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 15:03
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Wake me up when its over. [|)]

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:04
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Free_Pint,

If you can't afford to do a Masters degree then get a friggin' job.

There are no automatic rights to a Uni Higher Education.

However, I think that because the UK are incredibly short of scientists then those students should get some financial help.

i.e Chemical, mechanical, electrical, instrument, civil, structural engineers.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:05
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Well I'd be getting a job along side it. You generally fund your own master's degree unless your company pay for it. My point was that it'll be at least 10 years until I could raise the funds to do one.

ThePrisoner Posted on 24/11/2010 15:06
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"and in ten years time when we have less doctors"

'fewer' not 'less'


[:D]

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 15:06
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Good lad [:D]

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:07
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And therein lies the point:
The rich can afford it and others can't.
Doesn't seem to be a great way to support the great minds of the future.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:09
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I did my Mech Eng degree part time at The Constantine College of Science and Technology. It was day release plus 3 nights from 17:00 until 21:00, and I did a full time job as well.

There was nobody to help me out financially but why did I persevere when the going was bloody tough?

Because I knew it would mean better prospects and security for me and my family.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:09
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1finny exactly. Should go on intelligence not how much money your parents have.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 15:10
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But then we would have violent protests from the 'Thick'.... oh wait

jimmythewondercat Posted on 24/11/2010 15:11
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Or you could work full time, study part time and borrow £30k for the course fees (in 1995).

I did it because I thought the course and the degree would be worth it. It was.

Why shouldn't peopl etake on some debt in exchange for a good education - the levels should be sensible but the principle is fair.

In many fields people pay for their own training - why should a degree be different?

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:12
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Were your fees £9,000 a year S_H. No didn't think so.

That's what they want to put it up to, £9,000 a year. Unless your rich there is no way to afford that. Also on top of that there is residential costs. Whilst doing at least a 5 day week at university and people on placements do a 7 day week with 12 hour shifts.

Try doing that with no funding.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:14
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Also at present I have 2 jobs just to fund living costs as student loans barely cover anything.

Get_your_rat_out Posted on 24/11/2010 15:14
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It really does baffle me how all these students that bang on how the bright should be allowed to go to uni for cheap yet simply cant figure it out that theres no money to support the previous system

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:16
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Also as im now on a rant, people saying just get a job and do a degree. There's a lack of jobs for people to do training alongside going around right now. Getting a job is difficult enough without having no training or degree to go along with it.

guyb Posted on 24/11/2010 15:16
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Just glad somebody is not taking these bullsht cuts lying down.

Claimed they were necessary to save the country from Bankrupcy then they pull 7bn magically out of their arse for Pat n Mick.


Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:16
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I couldn't care less what the fees are. If you can afford it, then go for it.

If not, then get a job.

The taxpayer shouldn't be responsible for your education and you must weigh up your potential to earn enough to pay back the government and make a better lifestyle for yourself.

If you can't equate a government/taxpayer loan to a better salary and security then best find a job.

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:17
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And I can't work out if there is no money to fund the current system why there is enough money for all pensioners, regardless of income to have
Free bus passes (london tube et al)
Winter fuel allowance et al
Oh yes, i remember Mr Cameron spurted out, un prompted, on the election debate that pensioners (regardless of income) would not be worse off.
Fair?

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:18
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They will all change their tune when they leave Uni and have to pay taxes.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:19
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S_H well why should only the well off be allowed to get into the top jobs? They shouldn't. I'm from a fairly poor background, my parents couldn't dream of supporting me through uni.

Also why should I have to leave education with a huge debt over my head when the well off have none? It's not really fair is it.

If it was easy enough to just get into the job I want to without a degree do you think I'd be going to Uni? No I wouldn't. It's not as easy as some of you think it is.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:20
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Mido- I wouldn't mind paying taxes to help others out. Fair system for all is how it should be.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:22
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"Getting a job is difficult enough without having no training or degree to go along with it."

I rest my case.

If you are chartered in a science subject then you will have a great chance of being employed, especially on Teesside.

I'm not sure about the situation for Media and Dramatic Art students though.

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:22
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How about an extra tax for those with a degree then?
Or do you think the bin men etc should all stump up to fund the students jollies as well?

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/11/2010 15:22
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I'm old enough to remember getting housing benefit on top of my "free" education!

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:23
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S_H only if you have a degree. Can you imagine turning up to a job with no relevant experience or degree and someone showed up with a degree. Who would get the job?

1st_time_caller Posted on 24/11/2010 15:24
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"Also why should I have to leave education with a huge debt over my head when the well off have none? It's not really fair is it"

and therein lies the crux - life isn't fair. never has been, never will be. so get on and do what you can with what you have. if the toffs can afford to go to uni, let them choose to do so, if you cant you have 2 choices: either dont go, or find a way of funding your education

the system is broken, the govt cant carry on funding HE to the extent it has in the past. it was always destined to come to and end, and that end is now

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:25
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Mido- I think everyone should be entitled to the same education. If that means a bin man pays tax then he does. I don't think you should have to pay more for trying to improve your education.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:25
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Mido,

Every single person in this country has the opportunity to make the most of the free education on offer, up to 18 years old and "A" Levels.

It's up to the individual to take or reject that opportunity. There were lads in my class who always elected to dig in the school garden instead of doing double maths.

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:26
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Being a rioter is not going to improve a students job prospects [^]

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:26
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Lets be clear.
The government can afford it.
They are choosing to spend their money on other things.
The question is - are those other things as important - trident, pensioners, RAF etc.
Everyone has a view but the Government are making a choice and that choice favours the wealthy.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:27
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1st_T_C, sense prevails.[^][:D]

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:28
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1_t_c why should it come to an end though? We're a country with a proud history of education and because big Dave thinks the country can't afford it without putting huge fee's on them is fair, well it's not it's XXXXXX. It's just a nice way of a conservative Govt. flexing it's muscles and keeping working classes in working class, but without providing the jobs to allow anyone to do anything else, whilst also cutting benifits at the same time.

Rich get richer, poor go bankrupt...

bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 24/11/2010 15:28
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i just like the rebalouse atitudes [^]

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:30
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Believe students wont be the last of the protests.

At least students are showing they arnt happy to get raped by govt.

squarewheelbike Posted on 24/11/2010 15:30
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Look back to 1992 when "Polys" became Universities. The concept of centres of excellence was abandoned in an obscene scramble for student numbers!

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:30
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Before Tony Blair, only the brightest went to Uni.
I dont have a problem with the brightest going free now if they earn it.
But the money being spent to subsidise crappy useless degrees needs to stop.

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:32
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Mido
Who judges crappy?

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:32
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The jobs market has judged which are crappy.

earlofcoulby Posted on 24/11/2010 15:32
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'An educated working class is a dangerous working class'
Tony Benn

The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 24/11/2010 15:33
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"Before Tony Blair, only the brightest went to Uni."

So before 1997 only the brightest went to university?

Rubbish.

mitch_mfc Posted on 24/11/2010 15:33
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'Get a part time job'

It isn't as easy is that is it though?

I'm fortunate to be able to have a part time job and a bit of income, you do realise especially where I live there are 4 universities, and approximatley 70,000 students in total.

I doubt there are 70,000 part time jobs to go around, fair enough if some students aren't generally looking for any financial income and just relying on their grants but the jobs aren't simply just 'there'

I think people underestimate how much £9000 a year actually is, that equivilates to £27,000 at least for the full course but now some vice chancellors are trying to push this cap even more.



Simply isnt fair

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:35
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"Rich get richer, poor go bankrupt..."

I came from a very humble background and my parents didn't have any spare the money to educate me to degree and beyond. My Mum worked as a cleaner to help the family income and supplement my Dad's wage as a boilermaker.

Who did educate me, you may ask?

Me, myself, because there was nobody else and I'm glad I stood on my own two feet.

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:35
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Ok and those with rich parents. Life sucks get over it.

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:35
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Mitch
You won't convince the right wing trolls on here.
Fair play for you trying + I hope it works out for you.

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:36
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The point being there was a lot less students and a lot less crappy degrees.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:37
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Well done S_H you did it yourself, but your fee's wern't £9,000 a year. They were probably a lot cheaper especially if it was done in a college as you said earlier.

Mido- If you're happy to be shat on from above that's your choice, but don't have a go at the ones that want to stop it from happening.

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:37
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Sea Harrier
Thank you for that emotional speech.
Your world is great and well done to you.
Anyone who doesn't do it the sea harrier way well... they are just useless eh [V]

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:39
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Why are some judged as "right wing trolls" merely because they don't agree that all Higher Education should be paid for by the taxpayer?


Get a grip on life, and start to live it.

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:39
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I had too choices at that age, work and train (which I did) or study harder and get good a levels and go to Uni.
Now you dont have to study hard.

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:40
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I'm livin it and lovin it ta.
Just object to your sanctimonious shoite about 'I did my way and sod everyone else'

Get_your_rat_out Posted on 24/11/2010 15:42
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You dont half talk some XXXXXXe free_pint

Comparing yourself to a pensioner? [:D][^]

Why should i have to pay for you to go to uni?

If you want to go to uni, then pay for it ffs everything in life isnt free, if someones better off than you then hows it their fault

stop being a moany little split arse and get on with it

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:42
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Mido I guess you went with work then as it's 'two' not too.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 15:43
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You have to remember that students often smell too, so that probably has a lot to do with the higher fees.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:43
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GYRO when did I compare myself to a pensioner?? I think it was someone else who mentioned about that type of stuff...

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:43
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Unlike a student I have to type fast in between working [^]

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:43
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1finney,

"Anyone who doesn't do it the sea harrier way well... they are just useless eh"

Far from it, and please point out where I've written anything that remotely resembles that.

All students should be responsible for their own lives and careers as only they can live it.

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 24/11/2010 15:44
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If you want to go into higher education - why should the tax payer subsides it?

Get a job or cough it up.


P.S - if labour had not pished all the money away these cuts would not have to have been made - so your smashing up of the Tory H.Q was missplaced.

(perhaps if students spent more time watching the news - and less time watching Hollyoaks - then they would know stuff like this.)

southgatesotherelbow Posted on 24/11/2010 15:44
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Well said Sea Harrier!! [^][^]

Nice to see some sense being talked


1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:44
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pedantic as well - nice one [V]

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:45
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Mido- You must be doing well for yourself then. [rle]

I also have a job by the way, I just get an education alongside of it. I probably do a lot more hours than you a week.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:46
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1Finney,

"Just object to your sanctimonious shoite about 'I did my way and sod everyone else'"

I'm still waiting for you substantiate your accusations about your comment and what I have previously typed.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:49
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Wow, some of you lot must have really XXXXXX lives. You've just gave up now, happy to be XXXXXXed by the government.

Go back to your 21 year old self and compare lives you must hate yourself. What's became of your life now. So happy just to sit there and take what ever you're given. No fight left in the old limbs.

I hope none of you have children if you do they must be so disappointed seeing their father's with no ambition, no aspiration. Happy to just be put in their place. Poor guys.

Don't hate on us because your life sucks.

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 24/11/2010 15:50
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"Lets be clear.
The government can afford it.
They are choosing to spend their money on other things.
The question is - are those other things as important - trident, pensioners, RAF etc.
Everyone has a view but the Government are making a choice and that choice favours the wealthy."

Stopping pensioners from starving in your opinion is favouring the wealthy.... [:o)]

Cuts in store for the RAF and Tridents been put on hold (hasn't it?)

[B)]

In an ideal world we'd be able to afford this as a nation, but the labour party stitched us up and at this time there's no cash in the coffers.

Coincidently, rioting leads to less, not more money.

"Don't hate on us because your life sucks."

Can we have that again in English?

It's not a good advertisement for studentkind.

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:51
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Sea Harrier
You are comfortable with your position
I think you come across as selfish.
If I have got it wrong maybe, just maybe, it is about your communication.
If I have got it wrong I'm happy to apologise.

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 15:51
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You'll grow out of it half pint. Round about when the zits stop [^]

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 15:52
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Mogga
Filthy rich pensioners are getting handouts -thats what i think is unfair.
And, my point about the RAF is - can we really afford it?
Many in the military think not.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:52
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"Don't hate on us because your life sucks."

I think your generalisation gives us an insight into your educational needs. Growing up is a prerequisite to Higher Education and taking responsibility for your own actions.

mitch_mfc Posted on 24/11/2010 15:53
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It beggars belief how some Liberal Democrat MP's are still putting up with Clegg.

About 2/5 is it live in marginal constituencies? Maybe more anyway and the chances are they will be out of a job and the party they once stood by will be scarred for years to come.

I'm not saying education was perfect all those years ago with no tuition fees and the odd grant to help you out - because in this day and age with the resources and I have to say some pretty pathetic courses/degrees out there... but some people have to put themselves in the students situation and consider why and how unfair some people are being treated, including those who will lose their jobs.

Education will become a 2 tier system - just how those right wing want it.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:54
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S_H read above I said well done to yourself.
It was the rest of them. Who clearly are against people getting something they didn't. It's not my fault people are bitter.

Get_your_rat_out Posted on 24/11/2010 15:54
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Who are these filthy rich pensioners?

Maybe you could become a gold digger and shag one for money to pay for uni?

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 24/11/2010 15:54
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"Filthy rich pensioners are getting handouts -thats what i think is unfair."

A very small number in comparison to the 100s of thousands of students.

Very selfish attitude.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 15:55
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"because your life sucks!"

I think you have just lost any arguement you were having with that statement, Dude.

Get_your_rat_out Posted on 24/11/2010 15:56
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Also if you didnt have doyles going to uni in the past who did ridiculous degrees in stuff they'd never get a job in or were useless degrees that would never pay it back or were to busy pishing their money up the wall then maybe they wouldnt need to do this either

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:58
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LMFC- do you work as a journo? Picking one statement and ignoring the rest?

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 15:58
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"Education will become a 2 tier system - just how those right wing want it."

You've been listening too much to Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley. Believe me you won't be a red rebel once you have reached 30, settled down with a mortgage, wife and kids.

It's all part of the growing up process and we have all been armchair revolutionaries at some time in our immature lives.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 15:58
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No, Im a student. [:D]

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 15:59
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Then you're just a dick.

ThePrisoner Posted on 24/11/2010 16:00
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"Also if you didnt have doyles going to uni in the past who did ridiculous degrees in stuff they'd never get a job in or were useless degrees that would never pay it back or were to busy pishing their money up the wall then maybe they wouldnt need to do this either"

I do wish people would stop having a pop at the Royal family.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 16:00
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That sucks man

Midosparmo Posted on 24/11/2010 16:01
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The dangerous ones are those that carry on trying to be revolutionary and get every one in the crapper in the process.
Ie Tony Blair, but its alright for him XXXXXXing off with his tax avoided millions.

mitch_mfc Posted on 24/11/2010 16:01
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This is why I have insisted time and time again we have to seperate the vocational from the academical... lets be honest there are degrees out there which would be better suited in training and qualifications through apprenticeships, private sector or public sector schemes.

Taken from the UCAS Website:

Abroad
Beauty
Clean
Decision Making
Expressive studies
Furniture

I could go on for ages from A-Z, and thats the bottom line, worthless and wasteful degrees that costs money and degrees which should be in vocational institutions

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 16:01
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Mogga
I'm happy to be called selfish if you can fit the fact I object to rich people getting handouts in the definition - really happy [^]
I'm not a student by the way.

1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 16:02
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Mitch
Difficult to argue with some of that stuff.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 16:03
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Free_Pint,

"S_H read above I said well done to yourself.
It was the rest of them. Who clearly are against people getting something they didn't. It's not my fault people are bitter."

I don't think that people are bitter towards students, more likely the inverse because you can't have all your own way and are paranoid thinking that everyone, especially the government in this case, is against you.

When you are older, and wiser, you'll have a different attitude towards many things.

Moggas_Pocket_Rockets Posted on 24/11/2010 16:05
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What about your gran do you object to her getting cash because your other post seemed to suggest you do?

southgatesotherelbow Posted on 24/11/2010 16:05
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Two tier?? Mitch. Have to disagree with you.

I paid 22k for my education in the UK (Thats just fees not living costs) on my own through loans... 10k (course fees for one year) at commercial rates as the student loans company wouldnt finance a practical qualification which you have to have to qualify in Law.

The three years i spent in "state" university, for want of a better word, i felt, i experienced the poorest level of teaching imaginable. Lecturers didnt turn up to lessons and went on strike at the drop of a hat... when i went to the "private" university the standard was soo much higher and totally worth 10k for one year.

Unis require a massive shake up in terms of their faculty's. To be a lecturer you should have 10 years industry experience minimum

This is life tho... pennies arnt from heaven they have to be earned here on earth!

Sea_Harrier Posted on 24/11/2010 16:05
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Look I'm not falling out with anyone over this thread as it's been a good vehicle for finding out two sides of a very emotional story.

Good luck with your studies and I hope things turn out for you as you anticipate and life treats you well.

EDIT: Hometime, thanks for shortening my day.[^][:D]


1finny Posted on 24/11/2010 16:07
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Mogga
me gran is dead
me mam gets winter fuel allowance and I'm happy for her because she would die a lot quicker without it - she has no savings and lives off a pension.
I object to those people who get it who don't need it.
Not sure why this is so difficult mebe wasn't clear in earlier post.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 16:08
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And Free_Pint, even though you called me a 'D1ck' ... I forgive you [:X]

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 16:08
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S_H bit condesing the post in reply to me. I know my stance and the way I have been for years in relation to this kind of thing.

To your last post [^]

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 16:09
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LMFC just say dick it doesn't block it.

mitch_mfc Posted on 24/11/2010 16:09
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"Education will become a 2 tier system - just how those right wing want it."

You've been listening too much to Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley. Believe me you won't be a red rebel once you have reached 30, settled down with a mortgage, wife and kids.''

''It's all part of the growing up process and we have all been armchair revolutionaries at some time in our immature lives.''





Look at history over time and the statistics, it goes to show that under the McMillan/Heath/Thatcher in particular the education system was altered to favour the wealthy with the financial policies into universities - I aint a Labour Party supporter, far from it but they attempted to squeeze the divide by creating new universities across the country - spending more than the defence budget and more women went into university as a result - look at Harold Wilson's and Tony Blairs higher education statistics.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 24/11/2010 16:11
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Learn something new everyday - see these higher fees are showing their value now [^]

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 24/11/2010 16:22
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You can now do a degree in David Beckham studies - yay!

I fancy doing this - and I want you tax payers to foot the bill! Yay!


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jonniovdaboro Posted on 24/11/2010 16:31
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To be fair the way the goverment spends our money is unfair from the ground up, winter fuel allowances regardless of the individuals wealth whats that all about if they are not in poverty and not in need of it why give them it same goes for bus passes ect.

Free Pint as someone who recently finished uni I know exactly where you are coming from it was hard enough to get enough money to live and study 2 years ago without having to worry about the size of the debt you lot are going to finish uni with.

The goverment wastes money on some things and cuts back on others perhaps if they stung all the tax exiles (including some of there front bench) taxed the banks properly and created enough confidence in the economy so the banks will lend and people will spend then maybe they could afford to help people at uni.

Then again they will prob just line there own pockets as they always do and screw us normal working class folk right up the ass

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 16:36
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Surely Nick Clegg should have to step down now?

miltonkeynesaverage Posted on 24/11/2010 16:38
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Try and remember which party was in power - until recently - which pished all the money away, and thus caused the need for the cuts.

I can give you some clues if you want.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 16:41
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They didn't promise free education for students to get themselves in power though did they?

southgatesotherelbow Posted on 24/11/2010 16:45
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Free Pint the Lib Dems didnt win the election or get anywhere near. They were invited to form a coalition government by the Tories and therefore had to sacrifice a number of policies. When they saw the size of the debt left by Labour they knew their promise was unworkable.

jonniovdaboro Posted on 24/11/2010 16:46
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Also its not the tax payer who foots the bulk of the bill you get very little in grants at uni the vast majority of it is loans which we pay intrest on so which bill is the tax payer footing exactly they get a return on the money given to help students through intrest paymnets and make more money on the tax from the higher wages they will earn from having a degree.

The hike in fees is purely a class thing IMO

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 16:57
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jonni- [^]

Southgate- People voted for them though, lots of students. This helped them to get in the position of forming a coalition (sp?) which they then XXXXXXed up the wall by bending over backwards on all their policies. If you lie on your manifesto you should be banished from parliament.

spider_man Posted on 24/11/2010 17:02
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The problem you get with arguments like these is that it really is hard to come up with the definitive answer.
Can a student studying "Surf" be put in the same bracket as a student studying "law"? Can you say that a student studying surf should get as much help as a student studying law, despite the obvious benefits of somebody who wants to be a lawyer vs somebody who wants to surf?

We all talk about the winter fuel allowance being given to anybody, including the rich. Our taxes fund that even for the rich. But at what point does somebody become considered as too rich to receive it? For example, Joe Bloggs works all his life and puts a little bit away so that in addition to his pension, he has some savings to do something nice with after a long life of work. He has say 20k spare. Jack Bloggs on the other hand worked all his life but spent his money when he had it and has nothing but his pension. Both earned roughly the same amount in their life but should Joe be penalised and not get the fuel allowance because he was careful with his money?
Same goes for job seekers allowance. Two similar people can be made redundant, both having earned the same amount over the past 10 years. One spent all his money, the other saved. The one who spent all his money will get benefits but the one who saved carefully will not because he has a nice tidy package in the bank.
It goes back to the argument of punishing success.
At what point should you be considered well off enough to be exempt and not get benefits?

Same goes for students, can it be means tested so that you pay what you can? That means though that the parents who saved well will have to pay whereas the parents who blew their money away would not have to pay.

I don't think there is an easy answer hence the huge amount of debate on here.

Bernie_is_banned Posted on 24/11/2010 17:14
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"So before 1997 only the brightest went to university?

Rubbish."

Uni used to be for the top 10% you tool. It was Bliars social engineering that led to people getting in with a GCSE in Sociology.

southgatesotherelbow Posted on 24/11/2010 17:17
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Free Pint- Understand your issue but again the number of votes would only be relevant if they won as they didnt.. it became irrelevant. They didnt win and therefore their manifesto was deamed less important. As the Tories gained the majority of votes the electorate deemed their manifesto to be the impotant one.

The Lib Dems had to decide which were their most important policy decisions and when they saw their position was untenable they admitted that... i personally view that as a mark of decency.In essence admitting they made a mistake. I would agree with your view if they had been soley in power but they arnt.

What other decision did you expect them to make when they were confronted with the full truth of Labours profligate, reckless and stupid spending? Did you expect them to continue spending?

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 17:19
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I agree with you to a point. They should have and will have known the problems they faced before going into the coalition. If they knew they couldn't manage their proposals then they should have asked for a re-election.

That would be the decent thing to do.

southgatesotherelbow Posted on 24/11/2010 17:22
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"Same goes for students, can it be means tested so that you pay what you can? That means though that the parents who saved well will have to pay whereas the parents who blew their money away would not have to pay."

Spiderman, exceptional points but i had to disagree with this one. All students should be considered the same regardless in my book and i think thats were the mistake is being made.

University is the time to stand on your own two feet. What your parents earn is irrelevant in my book.




southgatesotherelbow Posted on 24/11/2010 17:29
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Free Pint.. I agree with you but Labour had lied that much none of the figure could not be trusted hence the mayhem and cuts we are seeing now.

It wasnt until they got into power that the truth was found out hence why we are seeing these cuts and the severity of these cuts.

The truly culpable are the labour party and their supporters not the Tories or Lib Dems.

I think they deserve alot longer than 6 months before you can start to criticise them .

MFC_Riverside Posted on 24/11/2010 17:32
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I'm not at university and not planning to in the near future. But I thought the new proposals where that the LIMIT for the course fees was £9000 a year but remains up to the universities choice? So Oxford, Cambridge etc... Will be closer to the £9000 than say Teesside or Stoke universities for example.

Have I got this right or are students changing the details so it sounds like ALL universities are charging £9000?

southgatesotherelbow Posted on 24/11/2010 17:34
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Yes MFC your right!

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free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 17:57
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You're right MFC but the worry is that they all top it up to £9000. Most uni's charge the max they can now and will probably up their charges when they can.

MFC_Riverside Posted on 24/11/2010 18:05
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Well let's just wait then. What happens if they go up by just £1000 on average? Say sorry?

Just wait and see hoe severe it turns out to be.

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 18:06
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If they go up a £1000 I'll be XXXXXXed off. They shouldn't be going up at all.

r00fie Posted on 24/11/2010 18:08
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Education as a right not a privilege.[:(!][^]

Herr_Mingemuncher Posted on 24/11/2010 18:23
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why do people believe they have a right to university education?

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 24/11/2010 18:40
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Just saw on the news they're been kettled in by the police and not allowed out [^]

Parasistes [:D]

Buddy Posted on 24/11/2010 18:41
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Behave PAMH. I bet you'd be among the first to kick off if you were kept in an away end for hours after full time.

Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 24/11/2010 18:45
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Correct, most of the time at football though it's totally unnecessary

If students are going to start smashing the place up, no sympathy for them

Buddy Posted on 24/11/2010 18:52
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But not all the students are or were smashing things up in the same way that not all of us are or were Frontline.

Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 24/11/2010 19:04
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"The police were trying to get a reaction and that's what they'll get"

I guess thats why they didn't make any arrests then? [:D][:I]

free_pint Posted on 24/11/2010 19:08
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Well done to those involved for not reacting then.

boringblock_21 Posted on 24/11/2010 19:59
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"If you are chartered in a science subject then you will have a great chance of being employed, especially on Teesside"

That statement is completely untrue. I am chartered in a science subject and could not find a job, especially not here on Teesside.


Perhaps a chemical engineer might find it easy to get a job, but not all science graduates will. Besides, why should Science be ringfenced?

_hachinger_jungs Posted on 24/11/2010 20:10
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They're all from 'the world owes me a living generation' and are mostly from priviliged backgrounds.

Every time they riot the tuition fees should rise for all of the spotty faced toff tossers.

Regards,
A. Taxpayer.




Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 25/11/2010 09:55
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I wonder if the students have thought about where the money will come from to repair all the damage they have caused with their little fanny fits over the last couple of weeks.

MarlonD Posted on 25/11/2010 09:58
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"Education as a right not a privilege"

Exactly right. Upto the age of 18. After that you're an adult so why should everyone pay for you to get pi$$ed in the pub every weekend.


free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 10:00
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"Exactly right. Upto the age of 18. After that you're an adult so why should everyone pay for you to get pi$$ed in the pub every weekend."

Why would I do weekends when I can do student nights during the week [;)]

Also with them putting fee's up in the short term will cost the tax payer more money with student loans because they foot the bill until such time as you pay it back, so it's not in your interest either.

MarlonD Posted on 25/11/2010 10:06
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Its not in my interest....I've heard it all now.

Shall i tell you whats in my interest. People who go to university do worthwhile degrees instead of using uni as a way to do fcuk all for another 2-4 years. Its also in my interest that you chunts stopping smashing things up and costing the taxpayer millions in damages & police costs.


Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 25/11/2010 10:09
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[^] what Marlon said.

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 10:12
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I'm not XXXXXXing away 2-4 years thank you. I also work part time doing generally a 30 hour week on top of about a 15 hour week of uni.

It really is a bad thing for the taxpayer because in the short term it's going to cost them a lot. Think about it at present I get about £7,000 a year student loan. If my course fee's were to treble that would be £13,000 a year.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 25/11/2010 10:23
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Free_Pint and 1Finney, could you both enlighten the rest of us as to which uni degree course that you are engaged upon?

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 10:27
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Didn't Finny say he's not a student?

And I do a Media course. Mock, mock, mock.
Although I would like to see some of you do theoretical (sp?) work that I have to go through.

[smi]

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 25/11/2010 10:28
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I thought someone said earlier in the thread your fees couldnt go higher than 9k, so why would they end up going up to 13k? unless i've missed something?

MarlonD Posted on 25/11/2010 10:32
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media [DFS]

Why not do something where the chance of a job at the end of it is higher ?

Give me your bank account details and I'll pay my tax direct into your account FFS.

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 10:33
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I was talking about full student loans. Which tax payer pays.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 25/11/2010 10:33
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F_P,

"Although I would like to see some of you do theoretical (sp?) work that I have to go through."

What are you like at "Theory of Machines", "Applied Thermodynamics", "Maths", "Theory of Structures" et al?

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 10:34
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Marlon chances of jobs in my field: PR and advertising are huge in Asia at the moment. I'm happy to leave the country for work.

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 10:35
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S_H fair play.

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 25/11/2010 10:37
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I'd be happy for you to learn over there too, with other media students, let them pay for you [;)]

MarlonD Posted on 25/11/2010 10:39
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So you want the taxpayer to fund your education and then you can fcuk off abroad and pay taxes to some Far Eastern country.

You've swayed me there like.

Holgatewall Posted on 25/11/2010 10:44
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If students expect to get a well paid job at the end of their course why are they complaining about paying tuition fees?

It is a bit like expecting to win the lottery without having to pay to buy a ticket.

Too many people nowadays expecting things for free. The money is simply not there to fund courses that at the end will not give students enough chances of gainful employment.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 25/11/2010 10:46
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F_P,

I'm not getting at you specifically, and you come across a really nice lad but I am concerned that you are affected by the loony left feeding and dictating a lot of misguided politics into young people. We have all been revolutionaries and wanting to change the world at some time or other in our lives.

Those that need help, like those who come from the poorer backgrounds, will get the help they need on a means tested basis. You may be worrying too much and too deeply from some of the rubbish spouted by these militants who I am sure many are not students but capitalising on an opportunity to disrupt the government and country as a whole.

My advice, for what it's worth, is don't get caught up in this mischief because at the end of the day you will need to apply for work and if you have any form of black mark you will carry that label forever.

Just get your head down and your arsé up and get a good 1st class honours degree and that is the most effective path to work in your favour.

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 12:08
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S_H Ha cheers, I'm not no anarchist or anything don't worry, but I just have to stand up for what I believe in. Without morals we are nothing and all that. I've always had my morals and views on the world.

Studying the course I do I know better than to be brainwashed by what anyone says.

Cheers for the advice though. [^]

jonniovdaboro Posted on 25/11/2010 12:23
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Some of you are going on like Higher education is free! I can tell you now its not grants are minimal at best and you pay intrest on student loans and loans for course fee's the tax payer gets back more than they put in the argument is over the amout of debt the student is when they leave 27k not including loans to help with living costs thats a massive thing to have hanging over you before you even start working full time wouldnt you agree.

I think some of the people on here with clear right wing agendas and need to look at the bigger picture they are off loading the debt onto a younger generation how would you like to have left uni with 30 grand debt looming over you ?

Get_your_rat_out Posted on 25/11/2010 12:27
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"I think some of the people on here with clear right wing agendas and need to look at the bigger picture they are off loading the debt onto a younger generation how would you like to have left uni with 30 grand debt looming over you ? "

I wouldnt of gone to uni, therefor not having 30 grand debt, simple

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 12:31
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GYRO- but isn't that denying people an education, something that we are suppose to have in the free world...

jonniovdaboro Posted on 25/11/2010 12:31
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"I wouldnt of gone to uni, therefor not having 30 grand debt, simple"

So you agree the prospect of the debt will put off the poorer among us going to uni and giving yourself a better chance of earning decent money?


Holgatewall Posted on 25/11/2010 12:53
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Maybe if we charged the higher rate of grant ie 9k for degrees like media or web designing and the lower rate for engineering we may get students studying for degrees that may lead to employment after Uni.

Also why not cut the degree course from 3 years to 2 years. Maybe this would help with the finances.

Get_your_rat_out Posted on 25/11/2010 12:59
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I wouldnt want to go to uni anyway, i chose not to, i went out and got a job instead

oooooo Posted on 25/11/2010 13:03
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rat, you implied that you wouldn't have gone due to the debt. That backs up the demonstrators points.

MarlonD Posted on 25/11/2010 13:12
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People keep saying that education should be free but why should it be free for adults ?

You make a decision at 18/19, go & get a job or go to uni in the hope it will get you a better job. Why should the latter be FOC ?

And anyway if they gave free education to university students who are considered the more academically brighter people of the popullation, what do the thick ones who can't get into uni get ? Surely they must recieve something for free otherwise its discrimination against the dense ?

Get_your_rat_out Posted on 25/11/2010 13:17
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ooooo, if i wanted to go to uni, i'd pay for it, but i dont want to go.

As Marlon said, why should it be free?

You have a choice, go get a job or go to uni, if you choose uni then pay for it, nobody is forcing you not to go

Also im sure i read somewhere that Universitys arent allowed to put up all course's to £9k a year

oooooo Posted on 25/11/2010 13:19
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Are you another one who thinks the sole purpose of education is to get a job?

By charging to get an education and saddling people with debt, they will only choose degrees that map directly to high paying jobs which is pretty sad really.

Holgatewall Posted on 25/11/2010 13:20
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What's to stop someone leaving school and getting a job. They can save up and then go to Uni?

This would look good on the CV, save you money and show you had 'life skills'.


Get_your_rat_out Posted on 25/11/2010 13:22
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"What's to stop someone leaving school and getting a job. They can save up and then go to Uni?"

Thats to logical

MarlonD Posted on 25/11/2010 13:22
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ooooo, money makes the world go round, rightly or wrongly, jobs give people this money, people get better jobs if they are better educated, so what other purpose does education give the world ?

oooooo Posted on 25/11/2010 13:35
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How about the advancement of mankind? Some people out there realise the benefit of learning even if you can't put a pound sign on it.

canada_boro Posted on 25/11/2010 13:39
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I agree with tuition fees, I agree that students should have to pay for their optional route to employment.

However at the minute I think it's way too high, even at £3300 is it? A couple of hundred pounds, with paying it before and after the year so some people realise that the money they are putting in is just real and none of these loans that float around.

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 13:45
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'What's to stop someone leaving school and getting a job. They can save up and then go to Uni?'

Well firstly you must go to college and get A levels. Also you'll be about 30 before you raise enough money, by that point you'll probably be settled in your present job or have a family and therefore making the cost of university a bit untainable.

I'm glad I've gone to university first so I can get a good job and be able to support myself and then a family if it so happens.

borobadge Posted on 25/11/2010 13:49
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i'm glad they understand whats happening to them, perhaps its the education thats done it !....

shut brighton down yesterday for 5 hours...good on 'em..


Link: truants...making sense..

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 25/11/2010 13:49
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...in the middle east [;)]

itsthere Posted on 25/11/2010 13:54
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I recently graduate (2009) with a decent amoutn of debt, however I had selected a degree which I knew I would be able to get a career in at the end. I have not got a job that I was looking for and I am paying the loans back.

I bet the majority of those who are complaining are doing no mark courses. The gov should only part fund the courses that they want to and see a need for that sector.

oooooo Posted on 25/11/2010 13:55
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"no mark courses"

What? Like physics? Literature? History? Maths? Because none of those are money-spinners.

southgatesotherelbow Posted on 25/11/2010 14:01
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"no mark courses"

What? Like physics? Literature? History? Maths? Because none of those are money-spinners."

Really??? Most of the maths grads i know are investment bankers and accountants earning fortunes, Physics grads tend to gravitate into engineering subjects and if they are any good earn very good money.

A number of history grads did the law conversion course and are now Solicitors and Barristers.

The literature graduates i knew are now teachers on big fat public sector salaries and perks and only working half the year.

So to be short... Oooo your wrong.

canada_boro Posted on 25/11/2010 14:03
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'' What? Like physics? Literature? History? Maths? Because none of those are money-spinners ''

Possibly the most insane statement I've read in a long long time.

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 14:04
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I think he was being sarcastic.

canada_boro Posted on 25/11/2010 14:05
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OK, cyber sarcasm can be midleading then...

oooooo Posted on 25/11/2010 14:22
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I'm not being sarcastic.

Those degrees do not have an obvious direct vocational purpose. You can learn them for the sake of learning, NOT JUST because there's a particular job you want later. Do you know any professional historians?

I'm challenging the idea that there are 'namby-pamby' degrees. What are they then?

Lee_Miller_Fan_Club Posted on 25/11/2010 14:26
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David Beckham degree. [ref]

spider_man Posted on 25/11/2010 14:28
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"Well firstly you must go to college and get A levels. Also you'll be about 30 before you raise enough money, by that point you'll probably be settled in your present job or have a family and therefore making the cost of university a bit untainable.

I'm glad I've gone to university first so I can get a good job and be able to support myself and then a family if it so happens."

So since you would earn less and take longer to build up the money to afford Uni, what's wrong with the current system where you get a loan (at very low interest rates) to fund the Uni so that when you come out and get a better job you pay your fees then?

I was lucky enough to go to Uni without paying a fee and came out with minimal debt because instead of partying, I worked too. So I was able to pay the debt off very quickly.

Now, I do honestly believe there should be funding aid for students at University. but it shouldn't all just be a free ride and that's it. Once you're earning enough, what is wrong with paying some back?

What I don't agree with though is the hike in fees to the point where it really will be a much higher loans and much longer times tp pay it back.

Take somebody who goes into research science for the greater good. They spend hours everyday trying to discover things that will help us all and yet they get a pretty poor salary compared to many other jobs. Yet from a fee perspective, I'd bet their actual course is very expensive to run. The equipment used for just the basic experiments costs an arm and a leg!

So I definitely believe people who wish to study this kind of degree should get more help, or the Universities who offer this should get more grants to ensure they don't need to hike up fees to survive.

If I was paying 9k per year for my University fees then I'd want a lot more than 15 hours of lessons per week and I'd want my degree to take half the time.

borobadge Posted on 25/11/2010 14:28
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"I recently graduate (2009) with a decent amoutn of debt, however I had selected a degree which I knew I would be able to get a career in at the end. I have not got a job that I was looking for and I am paying the loans back."


a clear example of getting an education beyond your own intelligence.

your headyoucashuion was whaystead on yer..[:D].

Sea_Harrier Posted on 25/11/2010 14:32
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Spider-Man has summed it up quite nicely for me.

"I do honestly believe there should be funding aid for students at University, but it shouldn't just be a free ride and that's it."


[^][^]

Holgatewall Posted on 25/11/2010 14:32
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The thing about a history degree is that it shows to prospective employers that a student is capable of doing research on a subject.

A degree in gaming shows that a student enjoys XXXXXXing about playing games all day!

it's courses like this that I class as pointless even if they are fun for the student.

If they want to ponce about playing games all day instead of working why should the tax payer pay for them?

oooooo Posted on 25/11/2010 14:36
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So doing a degree on an industry that pulls in more money than the movie industry is wrong? Do you know the content of the course? Why do you assume it requires no work?

Do you think people who do PE-style courses are playing 5-a-side all day?

And what degree did you do?

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 14:39
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Spider_man - Yeah you're right with that. I don't think one student should get more funding though, they should get their fee's paid for and then whatever help it takes moving away etc.

I'm quite happy to pay my present fee's when I can. £3,300 a year is fine, but I'm not willing to pay £9,000 a year for my course. I agree if they're going to hike it up it should be year-long intestive courses. Instead of raping students for ridiculous amounts.

Also I do have a job alongside at the moment which is helping me to avoid to much debt but it still mounts up. Hopefully when I leave uni it'll just be course fee's I have over my head.

Holgatewall Posted on 25/11/2010 14:41
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I got my degree from the university of hard knocks.

started working at 16 and still going strong.

No debts and mortgage paid off.

Not bad for someone with no degree hey? [;)]

Do I know about gaming courses?

Lets have a think; you probably start off by playing space invaders and pong as part of your research.

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 14:43
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Gaming courses are a bit more complex than that as they are generally animation courses. If you can go and make a computer game to complexity that some of them can then hats off. It takes a lot of work to be able to get that level.

All the software training etc.

oooooo Posted on 25/11/2010 14:44
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Holgatewall, so in conclusion, you know NOTHING about the course.


Holgatewall Posted on 25/11/2010 14:45
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Fair enough free pint but is there a job after it and if not in that industry is there any transferable skills that employers would be lookling for?

Holgatewall Posted on 25/11/2010 14:46
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Am I close though OOOOO?

free_pint Posted on 25/11/2010 14:48
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Of course there will be. THQ are always taking degree students on. The gaming industry is one of the biggest industries around at present. They wont struggle getting jobs.

Also I'm sure their graphic design knowledge that will come with their course will help them in another job if needs be.

oooooo Posted on 25/11/2010 14:49
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You have at least proven the point that education beyond enough just to get a job is a good thing otherwise people will continue to be as small-minded and ill-informed as yourself.

Holgatewall Posted on 25/11/2010 14:49
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Well that's good news free pint.

They will all get jobs after Uni.

Fantastic.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 25/11/2010 14:52
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I do feel sorry for some of those who are doing courses that are supplementary to medicine. There are Nurses, Occupational Therapists, Physiotherapists, Radiographers et al, all graduates with good degrees which are needed in our hospitals right now but there are no budgets to employ them.

That's the Labour party legacy of leaving no cash in the kitty from years of NHS mismanagement.

Holgatewall Posted on 25/11/2010 16:19
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Oh i did carry on with education OOOOO, just that I worked while I did it.

Nothing greatly academic just stuff that I enjoyed.

And it has helped my leave one job at 48 and start another so I must have had some sort of transferable skill or I wouldn't have been employed.

Good luck to everyone[^]