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r00fie Posted on 23/11/2010 07:48
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Go to his facebook page and Bernie makes a very rational, cool headed and reasoned argument for the Chief Executive and the Chairman to gracefully step aside and make way for fresh ideas and new blood.He cant be accused of being abusive or hot headed and we will find views such as his (whether they are palatable or not)becoming louder as the inevitable change arrives.

Piggy Posted on 23/11/2010 07:58
Bernie Slavens latest post on Keith Lamb and Steve Gibson.

It's just more of the same miserable cynicism that he's spouted for years. Nobody is going to invest in us, so what he really means is that Lamb should go.

Whats the point? We've taken the steps to turn things around in appointing Mowbray. Lets give him time and keep things stable thoughout the rest of the club. What about if a new Chief Exec wants to make his mark by replacing the manager?

Bernie was a great player for us, remember him for that not his 'everything is sh1te' routine.

6876 Posted on 23/11/2010 07:58
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Who does he suggests takes over. Branson? Sugar? Rothchild? Perhaps we will get a bidding war.

Does the wise on mention what to do with the £60m debt?

r00fie Posted on 23/11/2010 08:09
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"Who will take over".

"£60M debt".

A cry that goes up when any club needs a change. Who knew in 1986?

As for £60m. Where did that figure come from?

If that figure is true, and even if its not, it is true that Keith Lamb is the Chief Executive and Steve Gibson is the Chairman. Both are accountable only to themselves.The plummet since Eindhoven is not by chance. The clubs management appears impotent and unable to stop the decline.Indeed, it has been their mistakes and poor decisions, including massive public relations gaffs, that have hastened the clubs demise.

Jeremy_Clarkson Posted on 23/11/2010 08:11
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£60 million pound debt? Bernie has said he will cover that with the proceeds from his testimonial [ref]





































Oh wait hang on...[sad][:D]

HarryVegas Posted on 23/11/2010 08:22
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A bitter rant which springs from the same place as all the others on here at the moment. The club is going through a rough patch and we've had a couple of bad seasons. We were terrible at the weekend - one match. If we had played well in that one match and won by 2 or 3, neither that post nor all the others on here would have appeared and Mogga would be hailed as the saviour. Yes we're struggling and in a very worrying position, but let's all get a grip eh? UTB! [^]

r00fie Posted on 23/11/2010 08:29
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"springs from the same place"?

Surely Bernie is entitled to an opinion, or are the decisions made by the club unquestionable? Is their voice beyond question?

They have got to censoring RedFaction and now fans are censoring others who dare to question the holy shrine.Truth hurts sometimes, but tension keeps democracy afloat, not blind belief.

UP THE BORO!

HarryVegas Posted on 23/11/2010 08:33
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All for free speech, which means I'm allowed my opinion, same as you.

Anyway look at BoroBarmy's new post - I'm with him on it. [^]

ovy1 Posted on 23/11/2010 08:38
Bernie Slavens latest post on Keith Lamb and Steve Gibson.

"We were terrible at the weekend - one match."

We've been terrible for 5 years!!!

bear66 Posted on 23/11/2010 08:46
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We weren't terrible on Saturday . . . but we were mugged by a side that was allowed to get away with on the ball and off the ball stuff that usually leads to yellow and red cards.

And we haven't been terrible for 5 seasons . . . some of the best away days over the last 10 years have been in the last 15 months

ovy1 Posted on 23/11/2010 08:47
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I'd love to live in your world![:O]

bryan_munich Posted on 23/11/2010 08:48
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Bairnee is a bit of a thicko

maxi_levey Posted on 23/11/2010 08:51
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bear66..[:D][:D][:D][:D][:o)][:o)][:o)][:o)]

MawTheMerrier Posted on 23/11/2010 08:55
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moot point is I dont see anyone queuing up to buy the club.

Lamb and the others are replacable though, if thats what you think is needed.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 23/11/2010 08:56
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Peter Ridsdale may be interested in living the Boro dream.[:P]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 08:57
Bernie Slavens latest post on Keith Lamb and Steve Gibson.

'Nobody is going to invest in us'

why do you say that?

Piggy Posted on 23/11/2010 08:58
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Because it's my opinion, Raz.

Sea_Harrier Posted on 23/11/2010 08:59
Bernie Slavens latest post on Keith Lamb and Steve Gibson.

Only a very cruel person would mention Bernie's Testimonial game.[:D]

6876 Posted on 23/11/2010 09:00
Bernie Slavens latest post on Keith Lamb and Steve Gibson.

"Who will take over".

"£60M debt".

A cry that goes up when any club needs a change.




That's because people live on the real world and not bernies selective one

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 09:01
Bernie Slavens latest post on Keith Lamb and Steve Gibson.

'Nobody is going to invest in us'

why do you think that then?


Dustbin_Man Posted on 23/11/2010 09:02
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As Duncan Bannatyne says ''this is not a business, I can't see how that product can make me money. I'm oot! Och aye the noo.''

Piggy Posted on 23/11/2010 09:08
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Raz, because we are an unfashionable club, struggling to stay in a league that no-one is interested in. We are heavily in debt and our outgoings exceed our incomings.

I suspect that there are more attractive propositions out there.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 09:10
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didnt stop someone putting money into notts county or even portsmouth.

you really think if gibson wanted out the club would not exist anymore??

Vespa-Scooter Posted on 23/11/2010 09:16
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Its not Bernie,,that was sussed a few weeks ago.

Piggy Posted on 23/11/2010 09:16
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I think the club would exist in one form or another even if Gibson left the deeds wrapped in a blanket in a phone box, but thats not the issue.

I just dont think there are investors wanting to get involved. If there were, I'm sure we would have heard about it.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 09:19
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you think without gibson and without any investors to take over from him the club would still exist?

I am not talking recreating a club AFC Wimbledon style I am talking existing as it is.

Piggy Posted on 23/11/2010 09:51
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Yes I think we would still exist, but, as ever, thats not what I'm talking about.

My point was that I dont see any signs of anyone being interested in investing in the club, therefore Bernie might as well wish for pixies to scatter magic dust around the centre circle.


ccole Posted on 23/11/2010 10:34
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Cost of club/Debt = £60m
Cost of new players to get us up the league £10m? (Cheap & a bit more for promotion)

So, someone is going to come in, invest £70m in the hope that we MIGHT go up, and the fans MIGHT return.

If that does happen, how would the "investor" get his money back out of the club when he wants to leave?

Blackburn Rovers, an established premiership club have just been sold for only £40m. How many other top flight clubs could you get for £70m?

Give me a serious rational answer to the next question and you could change my mind.
Why, excluding a Boro fan, would anyone look at MFC over a Wolves, or Stoke, or Forest, or Coventry, or Derby, or Leeds, Sheff Wed etc.?
All half the cost of MFC, with more fans following them to give bigger revenues to support an investment.

Like slaven, you’re living in cloud cookoo land

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 10:40
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No one would pay much more then £20 million for Boro in their present plight. Which means Gibbo would have to right off maybe £40 million.
I cant see it, unless he is really sick of the whole thing.
More likely he will try and turn it around first.

Boromart Posted on 23/11/2010 10:42
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"No one would pay much more then £20 million for Boro in their present plight."
Pure speculation, who knows what someone would pay.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2010 10:43
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well we need some wedge from somewhere!

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 10:44
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If Blackburns 40 million with Premier income with a team worth far more then the Boro . Perhaps £20million is maybe a bit kind to the Boro?

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2010 10:44
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if blackburn went for about £43m then we must be somehwere nearer £25m. but that depends on what our debt is too and if they would have to pay that off.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2010 10:45
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what about these cleveland cable gadgees that were always on the fringes of a buy out!

MarlonD Posted on 23/11/2010 10:47
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We're like a pork chop in a Halal butchers.

No fcuker wants to buy us.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 10:48
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Gibbo could write off the debt by taking it out of the Boro in exchange for share capital in the Boro.
Then selling that share capital for a loss.
Its the only way he will get rid, if he wanted to.

Bandy Posted on 23/11/2010 10:48
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we should put ourselves up on ebay for a laugh

ccole Posted on 23/11/2010 10:48
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Lets say you right about Boro been SAS, how much would we have to spend to get to Blackburns level?


BTW - Blackburn was sold for £23m with the buyers taking the £20m debit on = £43m



Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 10:54
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'My point was that I dont see any signs of anyone being interested in investing in the club'

how the feck do you know what might be going on behind the scenes??

Plus investors would only seriously consider buying this club if they knew the owner wanted to sell first.

You opinion that no one wants this club is pure speculation on the fact you do not rate Middlesbrough FC as a club, and that is sad coming from a so-called fan.

MarlonD Posted on 23/11/2010 10:57
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raz, you're exactly right.

We're in a relegation fight for the 2nd time in 3 seasons.

Our crowds have dropped by nearly 50%.

Our wage bill far exceeds the incomings.

We're based in one of the lowest catchment areas in the country.

This is the catchment area which is widely recognised as one of the most deprived areas in the land, if not the most deprived.

Whats not to like. I might put an offer in myself.

[:o)]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:00
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what am i right marlon about?

i never said any of that, in fact i never said investment was willing to take us on, i just didnt dismiss it.

Derby County has been mentioned, and the new american owners are doing all the can to widen the fan base to not just the catchment area you speak of.

dont be so small minded Marlon, grow up.

MarlonD Posted on 23/11/2010 11:03
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raz, maybe if some of the stayaways, like yourself, came back we might be a Derby or Norwich or Leeds or Southampton.

Simple fact is, we can't even catch the fans who have been going for years and wrapped it in.


ccole Posted on 23/11/2010 11:04
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RAZ - You must of missed this further up.

Give me a serious rational answer to the next question and you could change my mind.
Why, excluding a Boro fan, would anyone look at MFC over a Wolves, or Stoke, or Forest, or Coventry, or Derby, or Leeds, Sheff Wed etc.?

All half the cost of MFC, with more fans following them to give bigger revenues to support an investment.



Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:06
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like i said, it isnt just about the postcode catchment area these days, and buyers like the american owners at derby county can see that.

which is why to dismiss the idea of new investment simply because you think nobody wants us is a little pathetic.

I do hope Gibson isnt so defeatist

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2010 11:07
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if our debt is still pretty high then the club would get sold for £1 and the debt paid off. most of it will be loans to the banks and probably bulkhaul/gibson himself. The hotel and golf course would be treated seperately and not sold with the club. Probably retained by Gibson

MarlonD Posted on 23/11/2010 11:09
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As defeatist as fans like yourself who's only contribution to anything MFC is to air your views on a messageboard ??


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:09
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half the cost?

have you seen the reason why no one wants to take Sheff Wed on... the size of their debt? have you seen how dated their stadium is?

You could say the same about teams like Notts County... why would anyone ever want to take them on??

Leeds half the cost of Middlebrough FC?? you think Ken Bates is that stupid?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:10
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where my views are aired has nothing to do with new investment.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 11:12
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Raz,

Do you not go to the games?

woodymfc Posted on 23/11/2010 11:13
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Bernie [:D] Button it!! [:(!]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:14
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gravyboat i dont go to the games very often at all. Like i lot who appear on this messageboard.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 11:16
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Yet, you're calling someone who makes the valid point that we'd struggle to attract investment a 'so-called fan'? FFS.

ccole Posted on 23/11/2010 11:16
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Sorry RAZ, perhaps the question wasn’t clear.
If someone can buy Sheff Wed for £26m, then use another £25m to get them in the Premiership, which would make that club £25m cheaper than getting Boro to the same level can you give me a reason why someone would do that?
Also take into account that they would get 30-40,000 for every premiership home game, 30% more than we could get.

I hope you are right mate, but logically, you could name 10 other clubs who would be a better investment with a more guaranteed return than MFC for someone who want to play with a football club.

Still, I am open to hear a genuine reason for some one to buy.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:18
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gravyboat i can only apologise to you if i have offended you in some way. I called them a 'so-called fan' because i do not know him. i know we get fans from other clubs on here.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:21
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why are they 25million cheaper than boro?

what is our exact value?

and are you including their debt?

and they are in league 1 at the moment so would take them longer to get to the top level

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:24
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'Also take into account that they would get 30-40,000'

hillsbrough capacity is 39812

riverside capacity is 35100

not a great difference in size.

Stadium quality, Riverside would be the better stadium

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 11:24
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You haven't offended me. You're going on about what is best for the club, and how there is no reason why we couldn't be an attractive proposition for investment, yet you are a case in point as to why we're not.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:26
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gravyboat glad to here i have not offended. Why am i a case in point?

remember i do not live in the catchment area any longer, so would not come under that consideration to any potential buyer.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 11:26
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Where do you live?

ccole Posted on 23/11/2010 11:28
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why are they 25million cheaper than boro?

Boro £60m in debt
£10m for new players to get promoted next year. Total = £70m



Sheff wed can buy club for £26m
Invest £25m to fly up the league and get promoted next year




what is our exact value?


According to our lastest accounts, around -£70m






and are you including their debt?

They have already said someone can have them for the price of the dect to stop them going into administration






and they are in league 1 at the moment so would take them longer to get to the top level.

They is no reason why they couldnt get there before us. Even 1 year longer would be worth the wait.









Sheff Wed was an example. We could use Cardif, or Swansea, or Forest. All could be got for less than Boro.


So over to you - please list the resaons why someone would buy MFC


ccole Posted on 23/11/2010 11:31
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He is on a wind up isn't he?

And I have bit[:o)]

borodavey Posted on 23/11/2010 11:32
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because we have a better stadium and a better training ground. also very valuble players [:D]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:33
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in the case of sheff wed i guess you are suggesting we currently have a much better team than them.

So throwing 25million on 2 promotions, does not guarantee the sucess.


gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 11:34
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Valuble players. Now that is funny.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:35
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also because we have a better youth development set up.

i dont recall sheff wed stating that they would let the club go for the price of the debt. maybe they did, but it has been on the local news here quite a lot and that was not mentioned. I know Mandric considered it too costly, and Chris Turner is still trying to put a package together.

foggysfplandiet Posted on 23/11/2010 11:36
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Whether or not the club has a £60million debt, who would take over a club which is losing money every week, flirting with relegation to League 1 and playing poor football with a bunch of pretty well valueless players in front of declining crowds?

I look forward to a long list of names.......



.....or even just one, but I know damn well that none of these gob$hites saying Gibson should go will be able to come up with anyone.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 11:36
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So where do you live then, Raz?

ccole Posted on 23/11/2010 11:38
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After three attempts, I will take that as you cant give any reasons why someone should buy MFC over one of the many other clubs they can get for less money and I will stay convinced that no one in there right mind (excluding a fan) would buy MFC.




Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:38
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gravyboat - can you just answer me, Why am i a case in point?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:41
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ccole sorry you must have missed what i said regarding us having a better squad of players against a team like sheff wed.

bless you, you must try and take notice when in such a debate otherwise you will think you are always right

Boromart Posted on 23/11/2010 11:41
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"Blackburn was sold for £23m with the buyers taking the £20m debit on = £43m"

But Blackburns infrastructure is much worse than ours. We have a better ground, better acadamy and better training facilities. Blackburns potential revenue will always be lower than ours because they have a smaller stadium, are a smaller town with a smaller catchment area, and some very big near neighbours to compete with (and no Mick, I don't mean Bolton). We are a more attractive long term proposition than they are.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:42
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'.....or even just one, but I know damn well that none of these gob$hites saying Gibson should go will be able to come up with anyone. '

Mandric?

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2010 11:43
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thing with blackburn is they have the £35m+ premier league tv money coming in every season. what income do we have now?

newyddion Posted on 23/11/2010 11:45
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FANS to to make the investment.. by going to the XXXXXXing matches.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 11:46
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Boro might be on paper a better long term bet.

But at present they are crap and have far more debt then Blackburn had and a lot less income.

Blackburn was the easier, much cheaper way to get Premier football.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 11:47
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If you actually live miles away, then its a little different. However, you're a Boro 'fan', who doesn't go anymore. Of which there are huge numbers - myself included at times over the last 3 years. As soon as we've had a couple of dodgy season, the fans have disappeared, and we're back to a hardcore of 15k? Why is that an attractive proposition for potential investment. The fans can't be bothered to invest their time and money, so why should anybody else?

Boromart Posted on 23/11/2010 11:48
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they do have that at the mo sas, relegation for them would be more horrific for them. Back to 8,000-12,000 gates after a season like we have just had.

Of course our saleable value would go up considerably if we actually got promoted.


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:48
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Midosparmo totally agree that some inverstor may look at it that way, but we have excellent facilities something any new owner would not have to pay out for. That gives great scope.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 11:50
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How much would it cost to buy Blackburn a new training ground and improve the stadium?
Probably less then it would cost to get Boro up and pretty safe in the Premier league.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:50
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gravyboat that is the same with any club.

if the club is not doing well the number of fans turning up to see the football goes down.

However the cost of that club is cheaper than buying a club that has 30-40k stadium full week in week out, as that suggests the club is already doing something right and if you want to buy into that it will cost more money.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 11:52
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Rockcliffe park cost £7 million, so next to nowt compared to building a good Boro team.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 11:52
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Boromart,

You make the mistake of thinking these blokes are in it for the long term.

You think they would have invested in Boro, on the off chance we might get back into the Premier League in the next 2 years? All with £5m to invest in transfer funds?


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:54
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'Probably less then it would cost to get Boro up and pretty safe in the Premier league.'

i dont know how true that is.

we arent playing well, but we have some decent players, we dont need to change the manager right now. At the start of the season we were favourites.

So i find it hard to measure the cost required to make us play off quality right now.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 11:54
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We are 3 points adrift, in danger of going into league one.

How much do you think the club is worth?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 11:59
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dunno. not very good at valuing clubs.

someone said rockliffe is worth 7million so i guess theres a starting point.

maybe the squad is worth 20million

etc

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 12:09
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Two years ago the club were £93m debt. Say we've managed to get that down to as low as £60m. We then sell the club, according to you for over £30m.

Thats £90m someone has to pay, before they even start investing in players. And then how much are they going to invest? £10m, to take it up to £100m? Gibson's spent £8m on transfers this year.

Who is going to look at a club, in one of the most deprived area's of England, with a dwindling fan base, and a terrible squad, staring down the barrel of the third divsion, and invest £100m in it?

It's fantasy land.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 12:11
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No one will pay £100 million for Newcastle.

Newcastle who are in the Premier, with bigger crowds, bigger stadium etc.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:12
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woo wooo wooo wooo!! [:D]

I have never suggested anyone has to pay 30million for the club


can i also add that if it is true what people above are saying that we are week in week out spending more than we are making then Gibson has to go as this is his mess and if that is the situation why would he allow us to spend millions and millions in the summer on players and wages when we clearly could not afford to.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:15
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'No one will pay £100 million for Newcastle.'

i love these facts of yours.

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 12:16
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Better then your "facts" [^]

Mido 1 - O Raz


Link: told ya so

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 12:17
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Ok, based on Blackburn going for £23m, with our better 'facilities', lets say we are worth £20m. I think that's realistic.

So, its £90m somebody has to invest in a club staring at the third division. Who's it gonna be Raz?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:19
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who is going to pay 90million for MFC?

are you mental.

the value of the club isnt the same as how much someone is willing to pay for the club.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 12:19
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'can i also add that if it is true what people above are saying that we are week in week out spending more than we are making then Gibson has to go as this is his mess and if that is the situation why would he allow us to spend millions and millions in the summer on players and wages when we clearly could not afford to.'

Are you 5? How many clubs, of the 92 league clubs, do you think make more money than they spend?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:20
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i dont know.

do you think spending more money than you are making week in week out is an issue?

or just part of football?

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 12:21
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Ok, so we're £60m in debt, so Gibson sells the club for a pound. Who is going to invest £60m in a club staring down the barrel of the third division, knowing if we get relegated, there will be crowds of sub 10k?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:23
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'No one will pay £100 million for Newcastle.'

you just linked to a story about a chairman trying to sell a championship club for 100million.

what a difference a year and a half makes ffs

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 12:23
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The answer is somewhere near 0. *oops edit*

Are you honestly telling me, you are not aware that nearly every professional club in this country operates at a loss?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:26
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gravyboat are you on a wind up.

I dont know the debt middlesbrough FC is in as of right now.

but if i had to answer you question honestly i'd compare it to the Portsmouth takeover i guess.

you have already rated the club at 30million without mentioning the value of the stadium, and sponsorship deals, expected gate receipts etc.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:27
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gravyboat.

do you think spending more money than you are making week in week out is an issue?

or just part of football?

skiprat Posted on 23/11/2010 12:28
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Let's not forget to add that we have fans that are unwilling to pay some of the cheapest tickets in the country at the moment as well.

£16 per game.

There are much, much bigger and better clubs out there that would be first choice for investment well behind Middlesbrough. You are seriously deluded if you think there are hundreds of investors just sat waiting for the day Gibson puts his hand up and says "I resign".

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 12:28
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Boros a championship club if you hadnt noticed.
Newcastle couldnt be sold for £100 million in the champs and it was debt free.
Yet you think someone will pay £70 million for Boro?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:30
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gravyboat

Burton Albion -


Taken From March 2010 document -
'Last season, when they were champions of the football conference, the club's turnover for the season was £1.5m. Six months into this season, it is already £1.2m. In addition to increased sponsorship, the Brewers have also seen the average gate number rise from 2,400 to 3,300, despite raising ticket prices by £1.'

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:32
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'Yet you think someone will pay £70 million for Boro?'

again more qualit facts.

btw i never said that

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 12:33
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To clear the debt, thats what it will cost someone.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:33
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not 60million then [:D]

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 12:34
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And to add a bit of capital, otherwise whats the point? The club would still have crap players.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 12:36
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Ok, as seen as we've now got to the point whereby I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say, lets try and establish some facts, and then ask you a question.

- 2 years ago the club announced they were £93m in debt. As such, there is no doubt we are still heavily in debt.
- We are in grave danger of being relegated to the third division.
- We lose money hand over fist (like ALL clubs do - it's not a case of whether I think its a problem - it is the reality of modern day football)

What do you think would happen, in the unlikely event somebody bought us?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:37
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oh so YOU think 70million is what a new buyer would need?

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 12:38
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Yep, unless Gibbo rights off some debt and takes a loss.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:40
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hi gravyboat

'We lose money hand over fist (like ALL clubs do - it's not a case of whether I think its a problem - it is the reality of modern day football)'

can i just find out, do you know the above to be fact or do you presume it is true as you think all clubs are losing money?

because as you put it only a 5 year old would think otherwise....

... oh did you see my post about Burton Albion?

Midosparmo Posted on 23/11/2010 12:43
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If you want to survive in the Premier, you lose money, apart from Massive clubs.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 12:44
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Fancy answering my question first?

And what point do you think your post about Burton Albion makes?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 12:49
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hi gravyboat,

i just need what i asked answering first.

as to include that part in my answer would be wrong if it isnt fact and you have just made it up.

you said ALL 92 clubs run at a loss.

Burton Albion quote disproves that.

also...
Scunthorpe Utd 2008 - Jan 2010 -
'The aggregate profit over two years was £1m. Such stability is central to Wharton’s thinking. “We like consistency. We’ve only had two managers in 13 years.” Nigel Adkins has been in charge since 2006; Brian Laws was at the helm from February 1997.'

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 12:56
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'you said ALL 92 clubs run at a loss'

No I didn't. I said most do. The quote you posted about Burton Albion says nothing about profit or loss. It talks about turnover.

Why have you started to focus on whether clubs make a profit or a loss?

This discussion is about who will invest in a club, heavily in debt, looking at falling into the third division.

What's going to happen, in the unlikely event somebody invests Raz?



Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 13:01
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'The answer is somewhere near 0. *oops edit*

Are you honestly telling me, you are not aware that nearly every professional club in this country operates at a loss?'


'We lose money hand over fist (like ALL clubs do'

Sorry your above comments seemed to suggest that if not all 92 clubs then nearly all 92 clubs worked at a loss.

Do you NOT think that is the case?

Barnsley made a profit in 07/08 of 3.847m (thats the soons info on them i could find)

You seemed to be suggesting it was normal business to work at a loss in football.

I was simply suggesting that if that was true about Middlesbrough FC then it may put an investor off.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 13:08
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Raz,

Well done, you've found 2 out of 92 (Burton Albion still doesn't count, as you don't understand the difference between turnover and profit). They are incredibly succesful Scunny and Barnsley aren't they, BTW? Keep going with your googled research.

This is THE last time I ask this question. If you don't give me a reasonable answer the discussion is over.

What do you think would happen, in the unlikely event somebody approched Gibson, offered to pay off all the debt, and Gibson accepted?


Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 13:10
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gravyboat,

that would depend on the level of investment.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 13:14
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So how much do you think somebody would need to invest, to get us back to where we want to be? The top half of the PL, and hoping for an odd cup?

Bearing in mind, this will all be happening whilst this investor is looking for a return on their money.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 13:19
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i have no idea.

do you think the burden of the debt alone has affected the club over the last couple of years?

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 13:24
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Of course it has. So lets get somebody in to pay it all off, and pay-out several more million in new players, and not have any interest in making any money themselves. Its simple, isn't it?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 13:27
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, 'and invest several more million in new players, and not have any interest in making any money themselves. Its simple, isn't it? '


Is that what i said?

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 13:31
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So, why do you want somebody to invest in the club?

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 13:34
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you agreed that the debt has had a massive burden on the club in recent years and you cannot see how investment even to just clear that would help steer the club in a better direction?


gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 13:45
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So we're back to somebody putting between £93m and £60m in a club staring the third division in the face?

You.Live.In.A.Fantasy.World.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 14:04
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'So, why do you want somebody to invest in the club?'

what are you talking about?

see above you asked why do i want someone to invest in the club. I am not going over old ground.

You asked what if someone did invest in the club and pay off all debts what would i want.

I am answering you honestly.

dont ask me why i want somebody to invest if you are not willing to listen properly to the answer.

Maybe someone investing is a fantasy... but ffs that was the question put to me.

gravyboat Posted on 23/11/2010 14:14
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'Maybe someone investing is a fantasy'

And finally, we establish reality. It's taken up far too much of my day, frankly.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 14:16
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gravyboat - if you read some of my post properly then maybe it wouldnt.

I never said it was either possible or it wasnt possible i simply said it was wrong to dismiss the idea.

It was you who started calling people 5 yrs old etc.

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2010 14:17
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only time someone will come in to buy us now is if we go into administration and we are rock bottom and they can get us for £1 and sort out some of the debt then run it as a tight ship and sell us in a few years once we are back in the prem..ie bit like what ken bates is doing

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 23/11/2010 14:19
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and that could be the best thing for us

foggysfplandiet Posted on 23/11/2010 16:51
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Blackburn are in the Premier League. We aren't. That's why Blackburn have been bought and nobody is interested in buying us. The end.

I see we still don't have any serious suggestions as to who would buy the club or even take the club from Gibson for a token £1. That says it all doesn't it?

Why do people (including Slaven) go on and on about how Gibson should sell the club when there is nobody interested in buying it?

You would have to be either financially suicidal or a lifelong fan like Gibson prepared to pour money into it, to buy Boro.

Unfortunately we are rather short on Teesside of lifelong fans who are prepared to lose stacks of money every season on a football club, a club that loses money hand over fist even when it wins the League Cup and has two good European runs.

There is only one person who was ever rumoured to be sniffing around us recently with a view to buying and I'm sure that was just a pure rumour as well, without foundation. His name?





Get ready to celebrate.......
















































......Freddie Shepherd. [xx(]

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2010 16:53
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"Why do people (including Slaven) go on and on about how Gibson should sell the club when there is nobody interested in buying it"

although we might not be in demand, how do you know there is no one interested i buying us? if the club was put up for sale you might get people interested. not saying there would be but we dont know either way until it is put up for sale

boro74 Posted on 23/11/2010 17:10
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I think that the fact that we couldn't even get a sponsor for the shirts, and had to sell it month by month, is a fairly good indication that nobody is interested in investing money in MFC.

If there was rich arab wanting to buy the club, do you think Gibbo would still have it?

foggysfplandiet Posted on 23/11/2010 17:12
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Sas, I rather think if anyone was remotely interested they would have made a move, really. The club is a wounded animal which is ripe for takeover if it were financially worthwhile but it obviously isn't.

And I'll say it again, why would anyone take over this club? It makes no business sense whatsoever. And I just don't know of anyone who is a Boro fan and a multi millionaire as much as Gibson.

A rich arab? Mido's got a lot of money, mind.....[:D]

TenPints Posted on 23/11/2010 17:43
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I don't know Bernie personally , but the bloke talks a lot of sense and speaks it as he sees it . I get the feeling he likes a wind up hence the dropping of the odd controversial comment . Drops it then slides back in his chair lights a big cigar chuckles to himself and , says Pick the bones out of that one .

I personally think Lamb does nothing for the club , then again would Gibbo want a Chief Exec who questions him ?

If your reading this Bernie , have a word with Doctor Who , borrow the Tardis and turn yourself 20yrs back . Your old mate Mogga could do with you on the pitch at present[^]

sasboro1 Posted on 23/11/2010 17:44
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foggysfplandiet, unless it is put upfor sale and we have people actively looking for a buyer then we wont really know.

who's to say people havent already tried to buy it. might be unlikely but you never know

juninhosdivingheader Posted on 23/11/2010 17:51
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As someone who rarely if ever sees Boro play, Slaven's comments are fairly irrelevent right now. ditto many "fans" on here.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 23/11/2010 17:55
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Don't be pinning that 'fan' tag on me, you cheeky upstart.

TenPints Posted on 23/11/2010 18:00
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C o C , pre foam hand . The old guard and history count for nothing on here . These young whippersnappers don't know what its like to hitch a lift to follow the Boro . Let alone leave a club XXXXXXed up and jump on a coach south and arrive at your destination before the milkman .

valerunner Posted on 23/11/2010 18:03
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I am sick of hearing all this tripe about Gibson not been able to attract a buyer. AS far as I can see Gibbo has not or will not put the club up for sale.Who knows there might very well be credible investors out there ,who at the right price may indeed save this club from the nightmare it is falling into .Boro desperately needs new blood at the top. All organisations eventually suffer the malaise of complaceny with those at the top not able to see that they no longer have anything to offer.Gibbo has done very well out of Boro it is now time to make real efforts to hand the club on to new owners.

Adi_Dem Posted on 23/11/2010 18:08
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There is some really ignorant, naive nonsense on this thread.

Utterly pointless.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 23/11/2010 18:09
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That's why it has the most replies [^]

zzzzz Posted on 23/11/2010 18:12
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Coz the history of people taking over Football Clubs that have no connection with the town/city is so full of success stories...take your pick....

Liverpool, Gillet & Co
Portsmouth, Mandaric
Darlington, Reynolds
Man City, Chinnawat
Leeds, Bates
Newcastle, Shepherd
Man Utd, Galzers
Watford, The shirt lifter

HarryVegas Posted on 23/11/2010 18:13
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vr how do you know Gibson's done very well out of the club?

valerunner Posted on 23/11/2010 18:17
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Chelsea Abramovic

Man City The Arabs

QPR

Cardiff etc etc

joebonano Posted on 23/11/2010 18:18
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I'm not a BS fan and I hate that awful radio show but I've looked at what he actually states.
He doesnt actually state Gibson should sell up-what he does say is that the two man dictatorship at the top should be broken up and that new blood is needed at boardroom level.On that I agree with him totally.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 23/11/2010 18:19
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Someone please explain to me how Middlesbrough FC is attractive to an investor who wants to make money. [?]

joebonano Posted on 23/11/2010 18:21
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The only way it would be attractive is if the club were promoted again.

captain5 Posted on 23/11/2010 18:25
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Considering our attendances went down as we got more successful, most investors would give us a very wide berth.

They may think that it fits in with Raz-logic though.

zzzzz Posted on 23/11/2010 18:25
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For every ownership success story there's two+ disasters and you hold QPR & Cardiff up as examples... what have they won with their current owners?

Fk all.

What have City won with the current owners? Fk all.

So, Chelsea then.... that's it?

Gibson owns this club coz he's earned the right to. He bankrolls it.

He gave us more success and a bigger ride than any of you dared imagine.

How any of you could even dream of wanting him out is beyond me.

Be careful what you wish for.

You don't deserve him.

HarryVegas Posted on 23/11/2010 18:26
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Spot on zzzzz [^]

valerunner Posted on 23/11/2010 18:27
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Are you Gibbo in disguise?

HarryVegas Posted on 23/11/2010 18:28
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Are you a mackem in disguise?

joebonano Posted on 23/11/2010 18:29
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zzzzz-I actually agree with your sentment.I'm sure that if Gibson were to pull the plug tomorrow we would be immediately in administration.Nobody really wants that.
What people want to see is a willingness to change,that we havnt got a CEO who is bombproof regardless of company performance.

Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 23/11/2010 18:31
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'Considering our attendances went down as we got more successful'

Not true, the gates were on the rise until 2005, our best year. They dipped, as did our form, the year after. Strangely enough, they peaked again the year we wet down.

zzzzz Posted on 23/11/2010 18:33
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No son.

Just a bloke that stood as a kid in the freezing cold week after week watching the decline of the Football Club I loved passionately coz of a bollox called Amer.

I never dreamed we would ever turn it around. Never dared dream I'd ever see in my lifetime silverware. Europe? Brazilian & Italian internationals playing for us when they're at their peak? Wembley Cup finals?

But it happened. And because we had and have a real Chairman, someone who cares for the Club and the area.

Yes, you got a bite you fkin pr1ck.

Well done.

r00fie Posted on 23/11/2010 18:34
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Joebanano. Spot on.Hes not the only one who isnt fireproof. Sentiment doesnt run a business and he wouldnt be signing on any time soon.

HarryVegas Posted on 23/11/2010 18:36
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Son?! I'm 47, same experiences myself. I asked if you were a mackem because your post was so negative (yes I was being flippant, but there again, so were you). As for responding to your abuse, I won't stoop.

HarryVegas Posted on 23/11/2010 18:41
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Oops misread! Apologies!

tengiz Posted on 23/11/2010 19:16
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Spot on zzzzz I watched Cloughie scoring 40 goals a season and dreamed of going to Wembley to see the Boro and to see them win a trophy and thanks to Steve Gibson I did.We all know he's made mistakes but he's done more things right than he's done wrong and believe me there's no one sicker than I am at the moment.

HarryVegas Posted on 23/11/2010 19:19
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Spot on [^]

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/11/2010 08:59
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'That's why Blackburn have been bought and nobody is interested in buying us.'

to be fair we arent for sale so you do not know if we would have interest or not ffs

MawTheMerrier Posted on 24/11/2010 11:07
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"Steve Gibson is the best chairman in the football league"

- Sunderland fan on the train last week.

Everyone else knows it, but not some of our own fans, it seems.

MawTheMerrier Posted on 24/11/2010 12:56
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Raz, any potential buyer isnt going to wait for a "For Sale" sign going up, before making an enquiry.

Rich men will have their agents too and wont be shy making a call to a big club like Boro.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/11/2010 13:22
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'nobody is interested in buying us.'

you think if an enquiry was made you'd know about it??

juninhosdivingheader Posted on 24/11/2010 14:36
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Steve Gibson has done more for Middlesbrough FC than anyone else in the club's history.

Without his help back in 1986, the club probably wouldn't even exist. Since then he has fulfilled the dreams of most Teessiders by taking us to heights that only previously existed in our wildest dreams.

Without Steve Gibson, there would have been no Carling Cup victory, none of those magical European nights, no Wem-Boro-ley treble cup final back in 1997/98, no Juninho (three times), nor Viduka, Ravanelli, Emerson, Southgate, Schwarzer and the long line of local lads from our Academy.

The club has suffered a series of lows in recents years - but they will only make the highs that much more enjoyable when they finally return.

Gibson and Lamb are coming under fire from those with short memories - but let's not forget who made us raise our aims in the first place. Keep the faith. The good times will be back. Gibson, Lamb and Tony Mowbray are the right men to take us back to where we all want to be.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 24/11/2010 14:56
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no room for sentiment anymore to be fair.

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 24/11/2010 23:51
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Yes Raz, if someone wanted to buy us I am sure it would get out very quickly, no problem. Very naive of you to think that it wouldn't.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 25/11/2010 07:25
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its not naive at all to think that any business going on with Gibson and whoever else could be kept private.

you are suggesting that any business Gibson and Lamb do always gets out before any deal is completed successfully or unsuccessfully.

I imagine a lot of business goes on behind the scenes that we do not know about.

Like the preparation for relegation. Gibson and Lamb had put plans in motion before the January.

Any bid would only go public if it was a benefit to either side, and was taken serious enough.

sasboro1 Posted on 25/11/2010 08:57
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"
"Steve Gibson is the best chairman in the football league"

- Sunderland fan on the train last week."

maybe the sunderlandfans is enjoying howmfc is at the minute and was said tongue in cheek.

the best chairman in the footballl league wouldnt have us in a relegation position when we are in the premo about 18 montha ago

foggysfplandiet2 Posted on 25/11/2010 12:37
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Nevertheless if someone came in to buy Boro I amm sure it would be out on the street in no time.

corabora Posted on 25/11/2010 13:01
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Obviously a tongue in cheek comment Sas. I used to get people saying to me that Southgate and then Strachen were good managers.
Someone must to the blame for the third season of complete mismanagement which Boro are experiencing.
Destroying a Prem League infrastructure to put us on a firm footing financially,taking us down and leaving us with a squad of almost complete incompetents is bad enough,but then to find out that we are still in hock is virtually criminal.

Razmond_HWDR Posted on 25/11/2010 13:08
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'Nevertheless if someone came in to buy Boro I amm sure it would be out on the street in no time.'

ok thats your opinion but you dont know that to be fact.